November 1, 2025 • 9 mins
A second half blitz has powered the All Blacks to a 26-13 win over Ireland in Chicago.
Down 10-7 at halftime, three tries in the last 20 minutes helped the ABs start their Grand Slam tour with an emphatic win.
All Blacks assistant coach Jason Holland joined Piney to discuss further.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine
from News Talk ZEDB. The All Blacks winner by thirteen
at Soldier Field.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Yes, they do three straight test wins over Ireland for
the first time since twenty thirteen. Let's get you to Chicago.
All Black's assistant coach, Jason Holland is standing by. Jason,
Thanks for taking our call. How pleasing to start the
Grand Slam Tour with victory over Ireland in Chicago afternoon pointy.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Yeah, obviously delighted with the result.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
You know, it's been a pretty pretty awesome occasion here
in Chicago. And to get the results and to you know,
get our game going in the last half an hour
was really satisfying. So it's good to get over the line.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
What were the things that worked so well in the
last well, let's say, the last twenty minutes, from the
time that Tomighty Williams scored that try till the end
of the game where you were still looking to score
another one after the whistle. What did you see that
was so effective and so impressive in that last twenty minutes.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Oh, I think the stuff that was missing in the
first half, you know, around our skill sets, really just
simple things.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Your simple parts of.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
The game are and carry and and you know some
of our skills around catch pass. You know, we turned
the ball over in that first half a lot, and
we're able to build pressure and the game was slow
because of it. And then the last half an hour
we packed ourselves and pulled trigger and then you know,
nailed all our little catch pass stuff. So you know,
whenever you hold onto the ball, you're know put teams
(01:29):
under pressure. I think we've talked about it before, pointing
when we have or haven't done it. So you know,
some really encouraging signs there and the attack and that
last half an hour.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Do you make these points to the players at halftime
or are they well aware of what they need to do?
Speaker 4 (01:42):
Oh if we need to you talk around skill sets
are in our concentration levels, but the mainly around you know,
instilling confidence to play and to keep playing, and and
to nail little things like you know, we're a little
bit flat on the edges and and us giving a
little simple message around holding our feet a little bit then.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Helped skill sets. So boys are all over it.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Boys know know a lot of the things that they
need to do to adjust and as I say that
it really well in the second half.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Ireland are very good as the six nation sides typically
are at squeezing, applying pressure sort of you know, trucking
it up, going up the guts, that sort of thing.
What is the best way to combat that without falling
into in discipline and frustration.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Yeah, Look, they also rely heavily on that contestable kicking game,
don't they, And you know that it was a good
battle in the air, and they want a few and
we want a few. But I think you've got to
make sure you don't give them those opportunities to win
back their own kicks and play against unstructured defense. But
you've got to back yourself. You've got to back yourself
to hold onto the ball and make them make tackles,
(02:43):
make them infringe, and then you can play and we
find space after multiple phases. So just a bit of
confidence and a bit of making sure that concentrate on
what we want the all Blecks to do well around
our basic skills.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Did you feel as though you were starting to get
the upper hand when they stopped sort of that route?
One staff tried to be a bit more creative, tried
to be a bit more expansive. Do you feel like
you're winning that battle when that happened, Yeah, I think.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
We're getting the balance.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Well, you know, we had some you know with some
guys who carried the ball and got him behind really
well tonight obviously you know, like obviously you know in
the midfield, you know, Quinn and Lester got us going
forward a lot of the time, and Caleb and then
our Lucy's and carried really well, which meant that you
can go wide. So we're just got to keep in
stilling the confidence to back ourselves and hold onto the
ball and you can see what we can do when
(03:31):
we're do and so that's just a bit of balance. Pinty,
I reckon, but I think you can't take away from
the point that you get strong carriers which gets you
over again on that extra half a meter makes a
big difference to be able to then get to edges.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Can you update us at all on on the injuries
to Scott and Jordi?
Speaker 4 (03:46):
Barrett haven't had anything on Jordy. He's he's wandering around
but obviously no more tomorrow. But he Scott got a
really nasty cut. I'm sure how he got it, but
it's a really nasty cut with a big flip on
it on his knee. But I would think that there'll
be a good few stitches and that they'll probably either
get bandaged up or or come out before next Saturday.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
The team that finished the game, if you look at
caps wise, I know these guys have played a lot
of rugby, but there were quite a few young guys
out there, guys who haven't played a heck of a
lot of rugby. For the All Blacks. How impressed are
you that they were able to, you know, in that
last twenty minutes do what needed to be done and
and you know, and take on that responsibility that that
perhaps they haven't had the experience to do up until now.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Yeah, it's good observation. Especially in the Ford's a. There
was a hell of a lot of you know, guys
with low caps in there. You know, you look at
fabes obviously who's who's been in and around for the
last for the last little bit. But Lordie coming in
I was outstanding. I thought when when Scoot went off,
and then you look at the looses, you know with
Simon and then you bring on Wally and you got
(04:52):
Wally and Pete and and ards here. So yeah, the
combination of of all the youngster's given lots of energy
and the ards is in the and the Cody's given
it a bit of balance has been awesome. So yeh know,
we we did acknowledge that in the box around the
young the youngsters in that forwardback especially.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
There seems to be a bit of a routine where
a halfback might play an hour sixty five minutes and
then has replaced. I know, you know, you keep eyes
on GPS numbers and things like that, but Cam Rogad
stayed on to what the seventy seven seventy eighth minute
is that deliberate chase? Is it deliberate that you look
at a guy like Cam who continues to impact the
game deep and say, we just don't want to take
(05:30):
this bloke off.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Ah yep, I think that that's right.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
He's obviously we've got full full confidence and tests to
come on. But Cam's is going so good you leave mine,
Like I think the game decide, you know, helps you
make those decisions.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
The first half we felt was really slow.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
It wasn't how we wanted to play, and with all
the all the stuff that was going on with the
TMO and the big screen, and that the game was
a real stop start, slow game. The boys in the
shed at half time were, you know, they're hardly blowing.
So that sort of helps you to if we see
any signs that Cam's slowing down, not getting to rucks quickly,
or suddenly make a couple of errors, that might trigger
some decisions.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
But I think he was still going pretty strong the
whole way through.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
What was your view on the yellow card to Tiger
burn that was then upgraded to a to a red.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
It's the rules, you know.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
I haven't had a really good look at it, but
just with a quick look, it looked like if you
don't lower your body height and you get get the
head contact, you're in danger.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
And so you just got to avoid that, you know.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
And I think just looked like he was really upright,
which is which is what you need to avoid these days.
So obviously not a not a massive injury or anything,
but it's just just the way where the rules are
out at the moment.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
I think.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
So in a defensive line like that, so your your
instruction to your guys defensively as to what is to
crouch basically is to is to lower your height even
before the attacking move begins from the other side.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
Well not probably not that early as a skill to
be able to come forward and you know that have
really good feet to be able to lower your body
height quickly. That's the skill you need to teach and
need to learn, or in the ability to get your
feet under you and have that ability to drop your height.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Get a shoulder on as quick as possible.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
And sometimes it's difficult, you don't know who's going to
get the ball, but yeah, there's the skill of it.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
And you you just can't, can't risk it these days?
Speaker 2 (07:16):
How important to get away to win on this Grand
Slam Tour, Jase, I mean, we're you know, I'm sure
you're you're deeply committed to four wins from these four games.
You've got one out of the way against potentially your
toughest opayment. Although England look pretty good against Australia this morning.
Not sure you've seen that game. But how important was
it to get away with a win like this to
get things kickstarted?
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Obviously really important when you first came out away in
the tour. You know, I think the reality is every
every single Test match is important as the others.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
And but you know, as you.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
Say, coming to Chicago, the Irish, with the history between
the All Blacks and the Irish, it's it's huge.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
So we're allowed to get the win.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
But I'm not sure how much of Scotland you've been
watching lately, but both Scotland and England can't pretty good,
so we're going to have to keep getting better.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Why are you leaving?
Speaker 4 (08:08):
Look, mate, I'm just it's just time for something new
at the moment. But I'm sort of got to the
space now.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
We're on.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Loving, loving the prospect of the next three or four
weeks and we've had a really good week and yeah,
we'll see what We'll see what happens at the end
of at the end of the tour.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
So you so in saying that, so you you have
are you willing to walk it back?
Speaker 3 (08:33):
What's that? Sorry? How do you mean by that, Bunny?
Speaker 2 (08:36):
I mean the decision to leave? Can you walk Can
you walk back the decision if the next three weeks go.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
No, no, no no, no, no no no no. We've
we've had chats of myself and Ray had chats along
the way, and anyhow, I've just decided that it's yeah,
we'll go in a different direction. But we'll see what
eaveans are. We'll get through the next three weeks. Well
now that the keep this Green Slam.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
One down, three to go, Jase, thanks for joining us, mate,
Always appreciate your time. All right, mate, see you later,
all the best, Bye bye, Jason Holland, Assistant coach of
the All Blacks.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
There for more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine. Listen
live to News Talk Set B weekends from midday, or
follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine
from News Talk ZEDB. The All Blacks winner by thirteen
at Soldier Field.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Yes, they do three straight test wins over Ireland for
the first time since twenty thirteen. Let's get you to Chicago.
All Black's assistant coach, Jason Holland is standing by. Jason,
Thanks for taking our call. How pleasing to start the
Grand Slam Tour with victory over Ireland in Chicago afternoon pointy.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Yeah, obviously delighted with the result.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
You know, it's been a pretty pretty awesome occasion here
in Chicago. And to get the results and to you know,
get our game going in the last half an hour
was really satisfying. So it's good to get over the line.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
What were the things that worked so well in the
last well, let's say, the last twenty minutes, from the
time that Tomighty Williams scored that try till the end
of the game where you were still looking to score
another one after the whistle. What did you see that
was so effective and so impressive in that last twenty minutes.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Oh, I think the stuff that was missing in the
first half, you know, around our skill sets, really just
simple things.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Your simple parts of.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
The game are and carry and and you know some
of our skills around catch pass. You know, we turned
the ball over in that first half a lot, and
we're able to build pressure and the game was slow
because of it. And then the last half an hour
we packed ourselves and pulled trigger and then you know,
nailed all our little catch pass stuff. So you know,
whenever you hold onto the ball, you're know put teams
(01:29):
under pressure. I think we've talked about it before, pointing
when we have or haven't done it. So you know,
some really encouraging signs there and the attack and that
last half an hour.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Do you make these points to the players at halftime
or are they well aware of what they need to do?
Speaker 4 (01:42):
Oh if we need to you talk around skill sets
are in our concentration levels, but the mainly around you know,
instilling confidence to play and to keep playing, and and
to nail little things like you know, we're a little
bit flat on the edges and and us giving a
little simple message around holding our feet a little bit then.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Helped skill sets. So boys are all over it.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Boys know know a lot of the things that they
need to do to adjust and as I say that
it really well in the second half.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Ireland are very good as the six nation sides typically
are at squeezing, applying pressure sort of you know, trucking
it up, going up the guts, that sort of thing.
What is the best way to combat that without falling
into in discipline and frustration.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Yeah, Look, they also rely heavily on that contestable kicking game,
don't they, And you know that it was a good
battle in the air, and they want a few and
we want a few. But I think you've got to
make sure you don't give them those opportunities to win
back their own kicks and play against unstructured defense. But
you've got to back yourself. You've got to back yourself
to hold onto the ball and make them make tackles,
(02:43):
make them infringe, and then you can play and we
find space after multiple phases. So just a bit of
confidence and a bit of making sure that concentrate on
what we want the all Blecks to do well around
our basic skills.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Did you feel as though you were starting to get
the upper hand when they stopped sort of that route?
One staff tried to be a bit more creative, tried
to be a bit more expansive. Do you feel like
you're winning that battle when that happened, Yeah, I think.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
We're getting the balance.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Well, you know, we had some you know with some
guys who carried the ball and got him behind really
well tonight obviously you know, like obviously you know in
the midfield, you know, Quinn and Lester got us going
forward a lot of the time, and Caleb and then
our Lucy's and carried really well, which meant that you
can go wide. So we're just got to keep in
stilling the confidence to back ourselves and hold onto the
ball and you can see what we can do when
(03:31):
we're do and so that's just a bit of balance. Pinty,
I reckon, but I think you can't take away from
the point that you get strong carriers which gets you
over again on that extra half a meter makes a
big difference to be able to then get to edges.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Can you update us at all on on the injuries
to Scott and Jordi?
Speaker 4 (03:46):
Barrett haven't had anything on Jordy. He's he's wandering around
but obviously no more tomorrow. But he Scott got a
really nasty cut. I'm sure how he got it, but
it's a really nasty cut with a big flip on
it on his knee. But I would think that there'll
be a good few stitches and that they'll probably either
get bandaged up or or come out before next Saturday.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
The team that finished the game, if you look at
caps wise, I know these guys have played a lot
of rugby, but there were quite a few young guys
out there, guys who haven't played a heck of a
lot of rugby. For the All Blacks. How impressed are
you that they were able to, you know, in that
last twenty minutes do what needed to be done and
and you know, and take on that responsibility that that
perhaps they haven't had the experience to do up until now.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Yeah, it's good observation. Especially in the Ford's a. There
was a hell of a lot of you know, guys
with low caps in there. You know, you look at
fabes obviously who's who's been in and around for the
last for the last little bit. But Lordie coming in
I was outstanding. I thought when when Scoot went off,
and then you look at the looses, you know with
Simon and then you bring on Wally and you got
(04:52):
Wally and Pete and and ards here. So yeah, the
combination of of all the youngster's given lots of energy
and the ards is in the and the Cody's given
it a bit of balance has been awesome. So yeh know,
we we did acknowledge that in the box around the
young the youngsters in that forwardback especially.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
There seems to be a bit of a routine where
a halfback might play an hour sixty five minutes and
then has replaced. I know, you know, you keep eyes
on GPS numbers and things like that, but Cam Rogad
stayed on to what the seventy seven seventy eighth minute
is that deliberate chase? Is it deliberate that you look
at a guy like Cam who continues to impact the
game deep and say, we just don't want to take
(05:30):
this bloke off.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Ah yep, I think that that's right.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
He's obviously we've got full full confidence and tests to
come on. But Cam's is going so good you leave mine,
Like I think the game decide, you know, helps you
make those decisions.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
The first half we felt was really slow.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
It wasn't how we wanted to play, and with all
the all the stuff that was going on with the
TMO and the big screen, and that the game was
a real stop start, slow game. The boys in the
shed at half time were, you know, they're hardly blowing.
So that sort of helps you to if we see
any signs that Cam's slowing down, not getting to rucks quickly,
or suddenly make a couple of errors, that might trigger
some decisions.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
But I think he was still going pretty strong the
whole way through.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
What was your view on the yellow card to Tiger
burn that was then upgraded to a to a red.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
It's the rules, you know.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
I haven't had a really good look at it, but
just with a quick look, it looked like if you
don't lower your body height and you get get the
head contact, you're in danger.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
And so you just got to avoid that, you know.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
And I think just looked like he was really upright,
which is which is what you need to avoid these days.
So obviously not a not a massive injury or anything,
but it's just just the way where the rules are
out at the moment.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
I think.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
So in a defensive line like that, so your your
instruction to your guys defensively as to what is to
crouch basically is to is to lower your height even
before the attacking move begins from the other side.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
Well not probably not that early as a skill to
be able to come forward and you know that have
really good feet to be able to lower your body
height quickly. That's the skill you need to teach and
need to learn, or in the ability to get your
feet under you and have that ability to drop your height.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Get a shoulder on as quick as possible.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
And sometimes it's difficult, you don't know who's going to
get the ball, but yeah, there's the skill of it.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
And you you just can't, can't risk it these days?
Speaker 2 (07:16):
How important to get away to win on this Grand
Slam Tour, Jase, I mean, we're you know, I'm sure
you're you're deeply committed to four wins from these four games.
You've got one out of the way against potentially your
toughest opayment. Although England look pretty good against Australia this morning.
Not sure you've seen that game. But how important was
it to get away with a win like this to
get things kickstarted?
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Obviously really important when you first came out away in
the tour. You know, I think the reality is every
every single Test match is important as the others.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
And but you know, as you.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
Say, coming to Chicago, the Irish, with the history between
the All Blacks and the Irish, it's it's huge.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
So we're allowed to get the win.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
But I'm not sure how much of Scotland you've been
watching lately, but both Scotland and England can't pretty good,
so we're going to have to keep getting better.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Why are you leaving?
Speaker 4 (08:08):
Look, mate, I'm just it's just time for something new
at the moment. But I'm sort of got to the
space now.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
We're on.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Loving, loving the prospect of the next three or four
weeks and we've had a really good week and yeah,
we'll see what We'll see what happens at the end
of at the end of the tour.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
So you so in saying that, so you you have
are you willing to walk it back?
Speaker 3 (08:33):
What's that? Sorry? How do you mean by that, Bunny?
Speaker 2 (08:36):
I mean the decision to leave? Can you walk Can
you walk back the decision if the next three weeks go.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
No, no, no no, no, no no no no. We've
we've had chats of myself and Ray had chats along
the way, and anyhow, I've just decided that it's yeah,
we'll go in a different direction. But we'll see what
eaveans are. We'll get through the next three weeks. Well
now that the keep this Green Slam.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
One down, three to go, Jase, thanks for joining us, mate,
Always appreciate your time. All right, mate, see you later,
all the best, Bye bye, Jason Holland, Assistant coach of
the All Blacks.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
There for more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine. Listen
live to News Talk Set B weekends from midday, or
follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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