November 1, 2025 • 7 mins
The Irish side came up short against the All Blacks in the long-awaited clash at Soldier Field in Chicago.
Ireland held the lead in the first half, but a last-minute comeback saw the Kiwi side emerge victorious.
Irish rugby journalist Murray Kinsella joined Piney to discuss.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine
from Newstalks, edb.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Irish rugby journalist and broadcast Murray can Sell up as
well as Murray. Thanks for tacking the time to join
us across New Zealand. What was your view on the
yellow cad the app gride to Raid for Todd Burn.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
I have to say I was surprised. I thought they
were gonna keep it a yellow. Certainly that's the feeling
in Ireland. There's a sense of grievance there. But as
any Farrell himself pointed out after the game, Ireland managed
that period well and they were in front obviously and
led into the second half and there's other things that
will frustrate them more. But certainly a lot of shock
in Ireland over that decision.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
What are the other things then that will frustrate Ireland more?
Andy Farrell in the in the senior leadership team.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Their line out for starters had a really tough night
against the brilliant All Blacks defense and that's been a
familiar image in the past. I thought the Kiwi Ford's
did a great job and disrupting them there because both
sides lost their line out leaders earlier on Scott Barrett
goes and to burn Goes obviously as well. But you'd
have to say New Zealand adjusted to that setback a
lot better than Ireland did. They didn't give themselves a
(01:13):
platform to attack from the scrum was an issue as well.
New Zealand got momentum there and I think generally Ireland
just lacked that hiller edge, that accuracy in putting away
chances when they were in good positions. Think of the
big moment of the game. We're on the sixty minute mark,
Ireland are attacking in New Zealand twenty two a pass
from Jack Crowley isn't held by Jamie Osborne and a
minute just down the other end of the pitch in
(01:35):
New Zealand hack Ford and they win a turnover as
Quintupai a big moment from him kicking in the corner
and they score a try and that really is the
big swing in the game. And I think it summed
up how Ireland just failed to have that yet, that
accuracy and key.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Moments after that point that you've mentioned and yes, absolutely
pivotal moment, turning point. What did you see play out
in the last twenty minutes that allowed the Old Blacks
to score the tries and the points that saw them
eventually stretch out to a thirteen point victory.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Well, they got a brilliant impact from their bench, didn't they.
And I know Ireland had been confident around that day,
a pretty punchy looking bench themselves, you know, Kaitlin Darris
coming back and big players like that. But I thought
it was the New Zealand replacements who made a greater impact.
I thought, to mighty, Williams obviously did really well, well,
the tt did really well. Both of them scored and
they just brought an energy to that final quarter because, like,
(02:25):
let's be honest, New Zealand for large parts of that game,
you know looked average enough. They didn't look at their
most clinical or you know, fluid best. But I thought
in the final quarter it did really click for them,
and well they're really difficult to stop. Ireland really struggled
to get a grip on them and they finished right
over the top. So I think that combined with the
(02:46):
really crucial artists of a try in the first half,
when Ireland, despite their twenty minute red card, will feel
they were kind of controlling matters to just stick in
the fight there was key for New Zealand, and then
they finished powerfully. I think we saw their attacking class
as well. I thought the citt trying in particular, where
Boden Barratt just really calm in the face of the
(03:06):
aryeh Rush defense. He kind of slows his feet, he delays,
he waits for McKenzie to pick that space and in
a way they go behind. So some real class in
big moments at the end of the game.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Marie, you make a great point about, you know, the
I guess a little bit of frustration, maybe an opportunity
lost for Ireland. I mean they did control the game
even down to fourteen, up to the al mark and
the turning point that you talked about. What will they
look at this as an opportunity lost.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
I think they will, I really do. And the frustration
for Ilands. Now it's three defeats in a row to
New Zealand. Obviously prior to that, Ireland had a pretty
good record against New Zealand were maybe getting used to
winning these games. And it's a worrying trend I suppose,
because there was quite similar marks to this game as
last year. This time last year in November in Dublin
(03:51):
when the Albass came and won on a very similar
score line as well, and Ireland were disappointed with their performance.
So a lot of kind of similarities to that. It's
the start of the November window. Ireland, as was much
discussed in the lead up, lots of their players didn't
have a huge amount of game time. They tried not
to make an excuse of it, but I think that
does contribute a little bit to that lack of sharpness
in you know, being accurate with their skills. They'll back
(04:14):
themselves to get better across this window, but you know,
tonight's shows again that the quality of the top teams
at the top level, you have to be playing an
eight out of ten and nine out of ten every
time if you're going to be winning them, and Ireland
certainly weren't that.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
From a wider viewpoint, do Ireland need to regenerate this
squad in the next two years hitting to the twenty
twenty seven Rugby World Cup.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
They do, They've spoken about that challenge. One of the
issues is and I think everyone else apart from South
Africa and France, is envious of their debt and the
quality of player they have to choose from. We don't
really have that in Ireland. However, I think there are
players who have been pushing towards getting chances of Ireland
who'll feel they have a greater chance that in the
next couple of years, because yeah, there's a sense that
(05:01):
you know, it's lacking a little bit of a zip
and energy at the moment. That team, actually, the players
who were fresher faced and who made me weren't as
familiar to to the New Zealand audience did really well.
I thought like Tommy O'Brien on the wing, he had
great energy and performance. Seuer mccosky's been around that group
a lot in the last years, but he hasn't had
a big start like that for a while and he
was excellent. Ryan Baird had some big moments as well.
(05:24):
So yeah, that's really important, that kind of regeneration into
the next World Cup because you'll have to say, as
thinks stand Darland, yeah they're playing catch up with the
biggest teams.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
What's your assistment where the Oblecks are at? Then I'd
be interested to know what your your viewers of where
the ol Bleck's hours. We approached the midway point of
this World Cup cycle.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Well, for sixteen minutes of that game, I have to
say I wasn't totally impressed with I thought at times
they looked a little bit about uncertain about what they
wanted to do or what their their plan was. But wow,
those bursts of brilliance that I described a little earlier
on continue to make them irresistible at times. So there's,
you know, the absolute quality core of world class players there,
(06:10):
individuals who are absolutely unplayable at times when they're at
their their best. I think it at times they just
don't look like they can control the game the way
that they they want to. But I think credit is
deserved because in a game like that, it would have
been easy for them to get frustrated. Ireland were controlling
territory at times and giving themselves opportunity. But yeah, there
(06:31):
was a great mental a great mental grit in New
Zealand's play. Like the reality is top international rugby now
there's very little between quite a big group of teams
and there's gonna be lots of games like that where
the balance of the game and the flow of the
game seems to be going against you. Bush, You've got
a stick in the fight and New Zealand did that
(06:52):
in a big way and when they got their opportunities
laid on, they absolutely took them. So yeah, it's been
it's been eye opening actually this week just to be
around New Zealand a bit more and get a sense
of I suppose perceptions and pressures that are there for
Scott Robertson and his coaches, but we certainly look from
our share angle and think where there's amazing talent in
(07:12):
that team that you'd be a little bit envious of
at times.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Wonderful stuff. Murray, thank you so much for joining us.
Might really appreciate you, Tom. I know you're a busy
man after test matches of this magnitude, so thanks for
taking time for us.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Cheers looking forward to the next battle already were we
are to Murray?
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Thanks indeed, Murray can seller there very highly regarded journalist
and broadcaster out of Ireland with his views.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live
to news talks it'd be weekends from midday or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine
from Newstalks, edb.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Irish rugby journalist and broadcast Murray can Sell up as
well as Murray. Thanks for tacking the time to join
us across New Zealand. What was your view on the
yellow cad the app gride to Raid for Todd Burn.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
I have to say I was surprised. I thought they
were gonna keep it a yellow. Certainly that's the feeling
in Ireland. There's a sense of grievance there. But as
any Farrell himself pointed out after the game, Ireland managed
that period well and they were in front obviously and
led into the second half and there's other things that
will frustrate them more. But certainly a lot of shock
in Ireland over that decision.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
What are the other things then that will frustrate Ireland more?
Andy Farrell in the in the senior leadership team.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Their line out for starters had a really tough night
against the brilliant All Blacks defense and that's been a
familiar image in the past. I thought the Kiwi Ford's
did a great job and disrupting them there because both
sides lost their line out leaders earlier on Scott Barrett
goes and to burn Goes obviously as well. But you'd
have to say New Zealand adjusted to that setback a
lot better than Ireland did. They didn't give themselves a
(01:13):
platform to attack from the scrum was an issue as well.
New Zealand got momentum there and I think generally Ireland
just lacked that hiller edge, that accuracy in putting away
chances when they were in good positions. Think of the
big moment of the game. We're on the sixty minute mark,
Ireland are attacking in New Zealand twenty two a pass
from Jack Crowley isn't held by Jamie Osborne and a
minute just down the other end of the pitch in
(01:35):
New Zealand hack Ford and they win a turnover as
Quintupai a big moment from him kicking in the corner
and they score a try and that really is the
big swing in the game. And I think it summed
up how Ireland just failed to have that yet, that
accuracy and key.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Moments after that point that you've mentioned and yes, absolutely
pivotal moment, turning point. What did you see play out
in the last twenty minutes that allowed the Old Blacks
to score the tries and the points that saw them
eventually stretch out to a thirteen point victory.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Well, they got a brilliant impact from their bench, didn't they.
And I know Ireland had been confident around that day,
a pretty punchy looking bench themselves, you know, Kaitlin Darris
coming back and big players like that. But I thought
it was the New Zealand replacements who made a greater impact.
I thought, to mighty, Williams obviously did really well, well,
the tt did really well. Both of them scored and
they just brought an energy to that final quarter because, like,
(02:25):
let's be honest, New Zealand for large parts of that game,
you know looked average enough. They didn't look at their
most clinical or you know, fluid best. But I thought
in the final quarter it did really click for them,
and well they're really difficult to stop. Ireland really struggled
to get a grip on them and they finished right
over the top. So I think that combined with the
(02:46):
really crucial artists of a try in the first half,
when Ireland, despite their twenty minute red card, will feel
they were kind of controlling matters to just stick in
the fight there was key for New Zealand, and then
they finished powerfully. I think we saw their attacking class
as well. I thought the citt trying in particular, where
Boden Barratt just really calm in the face of the
(03:06):
aryeh Rush defense. He kind of slows his feet, he delays,
he waits for McKenzie to pick that space and in
a way they go behind. So some real class in
big moments at the end of the game.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Marie, you make a great point about, you know, the
I guess a little bit of frustration, maybe an opportunity
lost for Ireland. I mean they did control the game
even down to fourteen, up to the al mark and
the turning point that you talked about. What will they
look at this as an opportunity lost.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
I think they will, I really do. And the frustration
for Ilands. Now it's three defeats in a row to
New Zealand. Obviously prior to that, Ireland had a pretty
good record against New Zealand were maybe getting used to
winning these games. And it's a worrying trend I suppose,
because there was quite similar marks to this game as
last year. This time last year in November in Dublin
(03:51):
when the Albass came and won on a very similar
score line as well, and Ireland were disappointed with their performance.
So a lot of kind of similarities to that. It's
the start of the November window. Ireland, as was much
discussed in the lead up, lots of their players didn't
have a huge amount of game time. They tried not
to make an excuse of it, but I think that
does contribute a little bit to that lack of sharpness
in you know, being accurate with their skills. They'll back
(04:14):
themselves to get better across this window, but you know,
tonight's shows again that the quality of the top teams
at the top level, you have to be playing an
eight out of ten and nine out of ten every
time if you're going to be winning them, and Ireland
certainly weren't that.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
From a wider viewpoint, do Ireland need to regenerate this
squad in the next two years hitting to the twenty
twenty seven Rugby World Cup.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
They do, They've spoken about that challenge. One of the
issues is and I think everyone else apart from South
Africa and France, is envious of their debt and the
quality of player they have to choose from. We don't
really have that in Ireland. However, I think there are
players who have been pushing towards getting chances of Ireland
who'll feel they have a greater chance that in the
next couple of years, because yeah, there's a sense that
(05:01):
you know, it's lacking a little bit of a zip
and energy at the moment. That team, actually, the players
who were fresher faced and who made me weren't as
familiar to to the New Zealand audience did really well.
I thought like Tommy O'Brien on the wing, he had
great energy and performance. Seuer mccosky's been around that group
a lot in the last years, but he hasn't had
a big start like that for a while and he
was excellent. Ryan Baird had some big moments as well.
(05:24):
So yeah, that's really important, that kind of regeneration into
the next World Cup because you'll have to say, as
thinks stand Darland, yeah they're playing catch up with the
biggest teams.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
What's your assistment where the Oblecks are at? Then I'd
be interested to know what your your viewers of where
the ol Bleck's hours. We approached the midway point of
this World Cup cycle.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Well, for sixteen minutes of that game, I have to
say I wasn't totally impressed with I thought at times
they looked a little bit about uncertain about what they
wanted to do or what their their plan was. But wow,
those bursts of brilliance that I described a little earlier
on continue to make them irresistible at times. So there's,
you know, the absolute quality core of world class players there,
(06:10):
individuals who are absolutely unplayable at times when they're at
their their best. I think it at times they just
don't look like they can control the game the way
that they they want to. But I think credit is
deserved because in a game like that, it would have
been easy for them to get frustrated. Ireland were controlling
territory at times and giving themselves opportunity. But yeah, there
(06:31):
was a great mental a great mental grit in New
Zealand's play. Like the reality is top international rugby now
there's very little between quite a big group of teams
and there's gonna be lots of games like that where
the balance of the game and the flow of the
game seems to be going against you. Bush, You've got
a stick in the fight and New Zealand did that
(06:52):
in a big way and when they got their opportunities
laid on, they absolutely took them. So yeah, it's been
it's been eye opening actually this week just to be
around New Zealand a bit more and get a sense
of I suppose perceptions and pressures that are there for
Scott Robertson and his coaches, but we certainly look from
our share angle and think where there's amazing talent in
(07:12):
that team that you'd be a little bit envious of
at times.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Wonderful stuff. Murray, thank you so much for joining us.
Might really appreciate you, Tom. I know you're a busy
man after test matches of this magnitude, so thanks for
taking time for us.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Cheers looking forward to the next battle already were we
are to Murray?
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Thanks indeed, Murray can seller there very highly regarded journalist
and broadcaster out of Ireland with his views.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live
to news talks it'd be weekends from midday or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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