Full Show Podcast: 08 November 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 2 (00:30):
Hello you, good afternoon. WelCom in a very warm welcoming
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Andy McDonald. We are talking sport until free. It is
a league football derby day in the Capitol Wellington Phoenix

(00:51):
the Auckland FC tonight at seven Sky Stadium. Auckland FC
won all three derbies last season. Can the Phoenix chalk
up a win tonight at home? I'm going to get
you inside both camps this afternoon. Wellington Phoenix and All
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break Auckland f C's derby domination all will the Black
Knights win their fourth one on the trot We now
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ran into some Auckland FC fans who seemed fairly confident

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going to zoom in on the derby after one o'clock
this afternoon. Also the opening match for the Wellington Phoenix
Women and their highly anticipated fifth season. They welcome Canberra
United the Sky Stadium to open their season from four
o'clock this afternoon, so big afternoon and evening of football
in Wellington. First up on the show today though Test

(01:57):
eleven of thirteen this year for the All Blacks. They'll
meet Scotland at Murrayfield from ten past four tomorrow morning.
Asked Scotland to check nts to beat the All Blacks
for the first time ever. Brad Moore is standing by
the chat with us. He has been an assistant coach
with both teams, so his insight will be instructional. Former

(02:19):
Scotland international Brandon Laney this hour as well, and plenty
of time for your thoughts. Do you have any sense
of nervousness about this or do you expect a pleasant
and relatively relaxing rugby viewing experience tomorrow morning? Lines open
on the Rugby this hour. Other matters around today. The
black Caps in the West Indies have relocated to Lovely

(02:40):
Nelson for games three and four in their five match
T twenty series. The black Caps squared the series on
Thursday night with a narrow three run win at Eden Park.
Mark Chapman seventy eight off twenty eight balls. He absolutely
smashed it and took three catches. He's with us ahead
of Game three tomorrow. Less than one hundred days until

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sale gp hits Auckland again February fourteen and fifteen next year.
Tickets are already selling fast. It's an expanded grand stand
next year as well, so more viewing areas. Blackfoil's flight
controller Leo Takahashi on the show today, Back to the football.
Former Wellington Phoenix attack at David Williams is with us
as looks to the next chapter in his football career.

(03:23):
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Speaker 3 (04:13):
It's down to the line.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
You made a call on eight ten eighty weekends for
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Speaker 2 (04:20):
News Talks v All Blacks v. Scotland Tomorrow morning ten
past four New Zealand time. You'll get a full commentary
here on news Talk, said B the first time these
two have played one another since the All Blacks End
of Year tour in twenty twenty two.

Speaker 4 (04:35):
They do kick for touch and the All Blacks survive
a heck of a scale once again at Murrayfield, but
emerge eight point one is thirty one twenty three.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
That game was five days short of three years ago.
Just the four survivors from the All Blacks starting fifteen
that day who will start again tomorrow morning, Ethan DeGroot,
Ardisavier Boden Barrett and Caleb Clark. This is the thirty
third meeting between the two all up the Black Apps,
That's not the Black Apps. The All Blacks have won

(05:07):
thirty of those matches, two draws, the most recent of
those draws twenty five, all all the way back in
nineteen eighty three. All twenty four matches since then have
been won by the All Blacks. A man who can
give us a truly unique perspective is former All Blacks
assistant coach and former Scotland assistant coach Brad Moore, who

(05:30):
joins us. Now, Brad, let's get straight into it. What
is Scotland's best strategy for beating the All Blacks for
the very first time?

Speaker 5 (05:37):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (05:38):
Wow, Gay Finy, thanks for thanks for having me on.
Privileged to be chatting with you. God, what a cracking
game it is lining up to be.

Speaker 7 (05:47):
My ISAA shining for it. It's two really good sides picked.

Speaker 6 (05:51):
I think Scotland's mentality at home Murrayfield Special Place, one
hundred years of footy there will be highly motivating for
them and I think they've picked a really strong side
seven British and Irish Lions in the group.

Speaker 7 (06:07):
I think in the starting fifteen, I think.

Speaker 6 (06:10):
They'll they'll be looking for that, you know that the
Alfred Allen staff position, possession and pace of that that
parody upfront.

Speaker 7 (06:21):
Get that. If they can get parody up.

Speaker 6 (06:23):
Front, even dominated a little bit, then then that will
give them front football to see some very exciting backs
do their stuff and play the game that they that
they love playing, which is a lot of position, a
lot of ball and ball in hand and Finn Russell
orchestrating things from ten putting them in the right places.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
It's such a good summary of everything. So there's a
bit to unpack there. Let's start with the parity that
you mentioned there. Can they get forward parity against the
All Blacks?

Speaker 7 (06:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (06:55):
Look, I think I think so in terms of in
different areas of a few, I think that the All
Blacks will be having a bit of a crack at
the scrum. I think with Xander Faguson injured at the
moment tight head for Scotland, I'm sure they'll be targeting
that that space. The Scotland line out is some some

(07:18):
excellent line out forwards in there, Scottie Cumbens, Grant Gil
Chris Grant's very experienced now and Scotty's an outstanding second rower,
so I think they'll they'll be working pretty hard there
to get good ball and play quick off that. So
so they see one side having a crack at the

(07:39):
line out, another side having a crack at the scrum,
it's it sort of adds up to some pretty cool
moments and and then then it's about to take your
moments and the and the breakdown war, which I'm sure
will be firstly contested with some pretty hungry loose forwards
on both sides, and then the outside backs also enjoy
having a crack at the ruck. Kyle Stain and Darcy

(08:01):
Graham the Scotland and Lee Roy and kayliber are not
afraid to get amongst either, so it's I think it's
tasty in all those physical areas. But if the if
there's parity and and that that provides the good front football,
then both sides can be very dangerous.

Speaker 7 (08:21):
I just think it's lying up to be a cracker.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
Game, absolutely right. Let's talk about Thin Russell. Scotland first five,
their pivot, their director. Basically, what makes him such a
good player.

Speaker 7 (08:33):
I absolute student of the game, so.

Speaker 6 (08:39):
I think, And when I went over to join Scotland,
I thought I'd see a mercurial talent, things that where
things just happened for him.

Speaker 7 (08:50):
Well, what I saw is the high talent, awesome skill
set of his passing.

Speaker 6 (08:56):
Game, kicking game, and running game where he just buys
time on the ball. We're not really sure as a
defense exactly what he's going to pull, how he's going
to pull the trigger, where he's going to pass it,
run it or kick it. He can do all three
of those things in a pretty quick moment.

Speaker 8 (09:14):
Way.

Speaker 7 (09:14):
He holds the ball, he buys time off him, so.

Speaker 6 (09:17):
That there's I thought that around the mercurial talent, and
what I saw is that and a massive student of
the game where he does a lot of homework on
his game, his team's game, and the opposition and game
in general. So he sees the pictures really quickly because
he's worked earlier during the week to see them already

(09:39):
and knows what he's looking for, to the point where
really actually were.

Speaker 7 (09:45):
In the in the week.

Speaker 6 (09:46):
By the back end of the week Friday leading into
a Saturday game, you actually having a conversation.

Speaker 7 (09:52):
Mate.

Speaker 6 (09:53):
You've done plenty, You've done enough, You've got the homework done.

Speaker 7 (09:56):
Let's go play.

Speaker 6 (09:59):
So is recalling the game huge, can recall the moments
quickly and have a conversation with you point to point
without him having actually sat through it again to have
to watch it again. So that's beautiful because you can
have in the moment conversations without sitting around the computer
staring at the screen. It's just a footy chat that

(10:19):
leads to some beautiful point. So really enjoyed working with him,
and just saw a guy who works very, very hard
and cares massively for his country and his club and
the people around him.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
What kind of coaches Griger Townsend.

Speaker 6 (10:39):
Very curious, hard working, very passionate about the game and
how it can be played. So I see him very
optimistic about the game. There's always an opportunity for him
and I think he's been really clear with Scotland as

(11:00):
to what talent and skill set they've got in their group,
and then building that whilst also and then and then
adapting a game to suit the player's abilities that they've
got so really clear on the identity of the game,

(11:21):
curious about how to take that forward, and then builds
a week that fits into all of that, and is
clear about their connection. What's important is people and then
how driving the hard work in between, Like he's puts
his shoulder to the well massively and provides a great
example of leadership in that space.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
Is the fact that Scotland have never beaten the All
Blacks a motivation or a burden?

Speaker 6 (11:50):
Well, I guess it can be both, can't It depends
on your mindset and approach to that. I think that
with this group that will provide a motivation and no
doubt the All Blacks will be highly motivated by that
as well.

Speaker 7 (12:08):
It's the motivation for our team too, isn't it.

Speaker 6 (12:11):
So it's the mindset it's motivated to keep it motivated
to breakhead. I'm sure the All Blacks will look to
start fast and put the put Scotland into a position
of ah shivers, we've been here before and potentially try
to create some doubt in the minds of Scotland. Are
we looking to keep the heat on and put themselves

(12:34):
in a position where they can finish strong and and
take the moments You know that test Rugby. The margins
are tiny, but the consequences of those margins are big.
So you just got to try to make add more
more moments up and win more of those little moments
to take your opportunities.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
Bret, what do you think it'll take for Scotland to
move from if we if we expand this out of
it from from regular Six Nations wins which they get
most years. You know, they beat England, you know they'll
they'll beat Island here and there, that sort of thing.
But I haven't won the Sixations since it became the
Six Nations and what two thousand, what's it going to
take for them to find the consistency to start challenging
for Six Nations titles?

Speaker 7 (13:18):
Yeah, great question. I think the consistency is the thing
I think.

Speaker 6 (13:23):
That's built by by building depth, and I think that
that's been happening. There's got some awesome top class players
and then quietly building the depth in between that you know,
when there's seven or eight players off it and I
think might have been nine even Scott's at the British
and Irish Lions. The side that came out here played
the news in a Maori Fiji sama.

Speaker 7 (13:45):
That's a great opportunity to build.

Speaker 6 (13:47):
Another layer of test match experience underneath and bring the middle,
your sort of middle tier up to leadership roles, so
that that building of depth, so that you can go
in a six Nations competition, which is five Tier one
tests in a row potentially one week, one week of

(14:11):
a fellow week of no footy and amongst that. Now
it was two when I was there in twenty three.
But to be able to put.

Speaker 7 (14:19):
Tests to test to test to test to test.

Speaker 6 (14:22):
Together, you need to be able to have that depth
to keep putting the pressure on each other during the
week and to support each other, to be able to
slot in and share the load as those opportunities arrive.
So I think that that would be one thing, and
and just continually can continuing to lock to take your moments.

(14:42):
Don't don't try and look at the Six Nations as
one big campaign game to game is the way to
break that down.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
You're looking forward to getting back with the Crusaders when
you get back early early December. Do you normally get
back into keep or you're back in now?

Speaker 1 (14:56):
No?

Speaker 9 (14:56):
No, we'll be back.

Speaker 6 (14:57):
And so the lads from the NPC they are they
are on leave now that and so they have a
break and stay fitting and king during that themselves. And
obviously boys playing tests are away in New Zealand fifteen
as well, which is which is great to see lots
of leads having a crack in there.

Speaker 7 (15:17):
So we're back it last two days.

Speaker 6 (15:19):
Of November and then we're into it for for three
weeks before Christmas as a group, training, connecting and doing
what we love.

Speaker 7 (15:28):
So very excited as a heck of a group again.

Speaker 6 (15:33):
The conversations and the work done in this three four
month period to be aligned as a coaching a management
group as to how to how we want to take
our group forward and evolve our game and have been
really rich and enjoyable and there's huge excitement about getting
back into it.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
I bet there is. Good man, Brad, how you've provided
us some terrific in sight. Thanks indeed for joining us.
Made have a great weekend and enjoy you watching All
Black Scotland tomorrow.

Speaker 7 (16:01):
Oh, I can't wait. It's going to be magniicent. But
thanks Pine, it's a pleasure and appreciate the opportunity.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
You're joining us. Brad, Thanks and did great insight from you.
Brad Moore there, who has been inside both camps, All
Black's assistant coach under Ian Foster and Scotland assistant coach
under Gregor towns End. You've heard from Brad Moore. You've
thought about this game all week, I presume anyway, I
would love your reaction to what you heard there from Brad, who,
by the way, is a pretty analytical rugby thinker, isn't he?

(16:30):
From what you heard there, and you think to yourself,
he's been successful everywhere he's been, with the exception of
the All Blacks, and listening to him there, I can't
help but thinking he's still got plenty to offer, plenty
to offer at the moment the Crusaders are getting the
benefit of that. But Brad Moore worked with Scott Robertson

(16:54):
at the Crusaders. Jason Holland is leaving the All Blacks
coaching set up at the end of this year. Is
there an opening for Brad Moore? Maybe that's conversation for
another day. Conversation for today is all Black Scotland tomorrow morning.
I would love your thoughts, your levels of nervousness or otherwise, oh,

(17:14):
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty lines open. I tend
to be fairly optimistic when it comes to the all blacks.
I think we'll win the game tomorrow morning. I like
the side we've named, even without Jordy and Scott Barrett
both out injured. Jeordi for the rest of the year,
Scott for this game at least. I think we've plugged
those gaps okay, and we're starting the way we played

(17:34):
a lot of last week when those two went off.
Fabian Holland and Josh Lord the lock in combination. I
think Josh Lord had his best all Blacks tests last weekend.
Sam Dowry onto the bench, Quintepia and Leicster fighting Anuku
in midfield are really like that. Quinta Pia, of course,
was almost a surprise selection, wasn't he yet center when

(17:58):
he was named there for the Test against Australia in
Perth and then backed up against Ireland last weekend. Quickly
moved into second five of his more customary position. I
guess you'd say, once Jordy Barrett went off and lest
I fa Anuku came on, I like the I like
that midfield a tweak in the Lucy's as well, while

(18:19):
a Satiti starting at six having come off the bench
in the last two tests Satiti Savere Larkey, I like that.
It's a good site. It's a good site. It also
speaks on perhaps a slightly different topic as to what
role some more experienced All Blacks might have or not

(18:40):
from here on and on to the next World Cup.
Players who have been overlooked for the twenty three here
and now must wonder a little bit what they're All
Black's future holds. Rico Yowani not involved in the match
day twenty three. Even though he covers center and wing.
He hasn't been named even on the reserves bench. Billy

(19:03):
Proctor will cover center. Presumably they can move things around
with the likes of Leicester. He can move out to
the wing, for example, They've got Damien McKenzie there as well,
So Ricco Yuani not involved. Anton Lennart Brown not involved,
even though he can cover second five and center They
could easily have put him instead of Billy Proctor, but
no it's Proctor. Severa recent Luke Jacobson released to the

(19:27):
All Blacks fifteen. You wonder what the future holds for
these guys in an All Blacks jersey anyway, Again, probably
a conversation for another day. If the All Blacks can
play like they did in the last twenty minutes last
week for anywhere close to an hour, then Scotland won't
live with us. I know a large part of that
was because it was the last twenty minutes and Ireland
were tiring a little bit perhaps, and we got some

(19:48):
good impact. But to be fair, a lot of those
bench players were on a lot earlier than they ordinarily
would have been because of those injuries. I'm sure inside
the All Blacks camp this week they will have been
building a deep desire to play like they did in
the last twenty last week for a lot longer. Keen
you hear the Scottish point of view as well. If

(20:08):
you're an ex pat scott now living here, how are
you feeling? Is history beckoning for you? Is this the
time as we celebrate one hundred years of that wonderful
Murray Field arena for you to mark that history with
another piece of history. O eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty would love to get your views nine two ninety
two If you would prefer to send a text going

(20:30):
to chat to Brendan Laney before one o'clock, but line's
open for your views eight hundred eighty ten eighty twelve
twenty seven. We're back with your calls after this.

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Speaker 2 (20:48):
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ten eighty tomorrow on the show, we will of course
unpack it all four o'clock kick off tomorrow morning. The
thoughts of an All Blacks assistant coach and a Scott

(21:08):
I few as well, but lots of time for your
calls tomorrow once the game is all done and dusted.
But I know It's always a bit harder when you
know we're talking in we're not talking in absolutes. We
haven't seen a game, But are you at all nervous?
Are you at all of the view that perhaps tomorrow
might be an historic day for Scotland. I can't see.

(21:32):
It doesn't feel the most likely proposition, but who knows?
Kiota Piney, says Aiden, still torn as to what time
I should set the alarm for tomorrow morning. I don't
want to get up in the wee hours to watch
glacial rucks kick tennis and two teams afraid of losing
like the first sixty minutes last week. But I would

(21:54):
get up, says Aiden, to watch exciting, expensive and entertaining rugby.
The All Blacks are clearly taking Scotland more seriously and
respectfully than they did in twenty twenty two, and Scotland
have a belief that they can get their first one
over us the All Whites. Yes, Hayden's call them. He's
the wearing white tomorrow. Fint Russell can direct a game
well if given from football time and space, but I

(22:15):
don't think Ardie, Wallace and Peter will give him any
of those luxuries. Is there enough on offer to set
the alarm for four am to warm up for a
four to ten live kickoff, or should I prioritize my
beauty sleep and watch it delayed nearer to breakfast time. Aiden,
It's a very good question. Look't you won't get a
straight answer from me. I always get up to watch live.

(22:35):
I just can't watch delayed for whatever reason if I
know it's not live, I just it's just this funny,
little nagging feeling I have. I would encourage you to
get up and watch it live, but then again, look you,
I'm not going to make your decision for you. But
I love the way you've laid out your argument. I
love that. Henry, Hello mate, he very good, Henry, very good.

(22:57):
How you feeling about tomorrow morning?

Speaker 10 (23:00):
You know, I think I think we've got the mean Tomaine.
You know he plays America and you know there was
a scration, so I don't know that wouldn't have done
it any good. And it's not very often through hell
come true in sports.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
Jason, Yeah, they have been known to look Yeah, I
thought that too. I think Scotland are making quite a
bit of the fact that they they ran up a
cricket score last week against a pretty average sort of
a USA side. I'm not sure that's the best lead in.
I look at the other games they've played as well, Henry.
Back in July they played some more in fig they

(23:37):
were here to take on New Zealand Moldy. They haven't
really played anybody decent. I don't think since since the
Six Nations really, so you know, yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 10 (23:48):
Unless you all backs play really bad, which I don't
see them playing really bad.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
You know, I think they'll be okay, Henry, I think
they'll be okay. Every part of me thinks that they'll
win the game. I'm not as confident, I don't think
as when we played Wales later in the year, who
have become a bit of a basket case. I think
Scotland have a bit about them. And listening to Brad
Moore there, you know, you find yourself nodding year head

(24:15):
and thinking, okay, well, if everything goes absolutely right for them,
and it would have to, they could, they could. Lynd says,
I don't know much about Brad Moore, but what an
excellent speaker he is. Lynn the All Blacks feat Scotland
Murrayfield one hundred years, what else could you ask for,
says this text. Not much, bow says piney traitor bow here,

(24:37):
I have a forty dollar bed on Scotland to win
one to twelve and twenty dollars on Scotland to win
thirteen plus. Mel Gibson will be going up and the
sideline with his face half blue. Yes, maybe the Brave
Heart movie will be channeled. Of course. Wallace Certiti, as

(24:58):
we know, well you may know this or may not
know this. Wallace Certiti was named after William Wallace, the
famous Scottish his historic figure shall we call him, made
famous in the movie starring Mel Gibson. Semo, Wallace's dad,
of course, was playing rugby in Scotland, and we heard

(25:20):
the story during the week. I'm not sure if you
picked up on this, that that Wallace was well going
to be born in Scotland, but Wallace's mum had to
make a trip back to Samoa where her father had
taken ill. So Wallace was actually born in Samoa, but
his dad, Semo, was playing in Scotland at the time
and that's where Wallace came from. William Wallace Wallace Titi.

Speaker 11 (25:46):
You're nervous film, Hey, porny uh not really, that's not
a bad person to be named after, is it? William Wallace?

Speaker 2 (25:55):
I think, yeah, look, it's it's a proud history. He did.
He did meet a rather unfortunate end from what I
from what I understand. But no, no, if you if
you're named after some one like that, you know you've
got well you presumably have a bit about you.

Speaker 11 (26:11):
Yes you do. Yet No, the end wasn't good, not
good at all. Yeah, I I I'm in the I'm
sort of in two minds, like the text that you
were reading out, wondering whether to get up at four
o'clock and watch it live or just sort of not
worry about it, because part of me was kind kind
of thinking, well, we should do Scotland fairly easily, you know,

(26:34):
like it shouldn't be too much. I'm reasonably confident. But
then I was sort of thinking, you know, they've been
saying it's a hundred year thing for Scotland. There better
than they have been in the past. And then I
listened to the fellow that you were talking to at
the start of the show and he said they've got
some really good players that played for the British Lines
and that, and I'm sort of sort of thinking, well,

(26:56):
really does it work getting up there to have a
wee sneak peek.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
You know, I'm not going to make the decision for you, Phil,
I know you'll do the right thing. I reckon what
you might do. I'm just having I guess here. You
might set your alarm and see how you feel when
that alarm goes off.

Speaker 11 (27:12):
Yeah, that's probably a good idea. And if I can
get there, if I can get that first foot out
of bed straight away, then I'll be right. If I'll
live there for a couple of minutes, I'll probably just
drift back off, or five minutes and I'll drift back off.
But because you got the cricket on as well, isn't
we to morrow? So to watch the both of them,
you know, it could be a hard task, will be
falling asleep during the cricket.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
But I think you'll be okay, Phil, I think someone
like you will be okay. I know the cut of
your jib. You'll be fine, mate, You'll be fine. I
actually had a really good piece of advice once in
terms of getting up. You know, because often people get
up and it is the early hours of the morning,
and they worry about falling asleep on the couch or
in their armchair or whenever as they watch it. The
piece of advice I heard was that you get up

(27:50):
and you put your shoes on without socks. So you
put shoes on without socks, and it's very very hard,
apparently to fall asleep with shoes on and no socks,
because you and I don't know, it just isn't the
most comfortable of situation. Take the shoes on, those socks.

Speaker 11 (28:10):
Okay, well, yeah that might be worthing to try. That's
interest and I've never heard that before, but yeah, okay,
but yeah, yeah, well yeah, I'd like to say I'm
going to have to make the call during the days
I think about it, or maybe just like you say,
set the alarm and then just make it on the
on the time when it happens. But I do like,

(28:30):
I do like the is it to Quintin to tie?

Speaker 2 (28:37):
Yeah, quintupire quinta pire Yet he's been center now well
he's back to second five, where I think we're more
accustomed to seeing them.

Speaker 11 (28:45):
Yeah, I do like him in that midfield, whether he
plays center or his usual like you say position there
so and I like the sound of I always thought
Ardie Severe is best at number seven, so in the
number eight and that. So yeah, I like and like

(29:07):
you said, I watched the Irish game and we were
flandering about and it was pretty messy for the sixty minutes.
But when that bench came on, things changed completely. I
don't know how, Like I think the turning point too,
was not only the bench players coming on, And I
didn't even see Damien McKenzie come on until he start,
until he helped make that try, and it was like, buddy,

(29:27):
how Damien McKenzie's on. But I don't know how the
referee seen that ball grounded. I mean, I'm glad that
you know we got it, but I was looking at
it and it kind of looked like he might have
got either just over the line with that little shove
or a little go forward or either on the line.
But I was looking at it thinking I can't I

(29:49):
don't know how the hell you can tell that bull's
actually grounded because I couldn't see it at all, you know.
So but that was I think that thing to bring
on a momentum shift as well, where the All Blacks
kicked up and that, like you say, it was good
to see that last twenty minutes was going back to
the all blacks of ball where they would other teams
would start to fade off and the all backs would

(30:11):
step it up, you know and put even more pressure
and that superior fitness would I don't know, I guess
it was superior fitness with training would come in and
they would up the intensity even more even though they
were probably quite bagging and fatigue. But yeah, so that
was good to see.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
Yeah, it was. I've got to move make because IVE
got to get Brendan Laney on the radio. But thanks
for chatting mate, and no doubt you'll let me know
tomorrow whether you didn't pack it up and watch it
live and I'll I'll be interested to find out whether
you put your whether you put your shoes on without
your socks. It's a very good tip, mate, I can
tell you twenty to one when we come back. It
is Brendan Laney, former Scotland International, with us.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
The big Issues on and after Field Call eight hundred
eighty ten eighty Weekends Forward with Jason.

Speaker 3 (30:56):
Paine and GJ.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
Gunderholmes, New Zealand's most trusted home Milder news Talk to.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
BB seventeeny one deb On Texas pinting. I guess you
can only watch sport live because you know that yelling
at the TV will be effective. It's so true, dep
It's no port yelling at a replayers there, But if
you're yelling at live sport, you can have an influence.
That's why we keep doing it. Thanks for your text.
Love it. Let's bring in former Scottish international Brendan Laney
cleared by Callagher for Leslie.

Speaker 4 (31:24):
I'm not quite sure which way to go finds.

Speaker 12 (31:26):
Lady through that gap and Brendan.

Speaker 13 (31:28):
Laney, Hey, yawning gap, lady, Lady, lady under the bar,
the unlid, beautiful pass over to lady.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
Can you make your two?

Speaker 7 (31:41):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (31:43):
Those are some of us tries back here in New
Zealand twenty Test matches though for Scotland for Brandon Laney, Briton,
how big a chance do you think your former side
Scotland are or finally beating the All Blacks for the
first time tomorrow morning?

Speaker 8 (31:55):
Well, look at I think anybody's sitting here, what's the
New Blacks fish performance against Orland? And look I know
it was two or three or three or four weeks
between games. You know that first fifty minutes was pretty
bloody scrappy, wasn't it? And I think everyone was pretty
disappointed with it. But then saying that, you know a
couple of things that the Orbrecks did, they did really well.

(32:17):
This's got a couple of really nice schwiz bar Ford
pass at the end probably could have scored another one.
So there's potential there to show that when they get
going there, they're really dangerous. So but in saying that,
you know, Scotland's come off a fantastic test against America.
No to speak to America either, but probably not the
biggest opposition led into an all breat game. But you

(32:41):
know the scott his team has been playing for rugby
for a while now and began history is there to
be broken. Isn't it twenty odd years or so that
they had never beaten the Allbreacks. So it's it's a
fantastic opportunity for them. And I know that Gregortans in
more personally, I love the way that they He's got

(33:02):
his team attacking and and you know they've got some
pretty many footballers in this sort so even with dropping venom,
so yeah, it's going to be really interesting, isn't that.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
Can we talk about a couple of those fairly handy
players Finn Russell and see on twoep a lot to
the ten twelve axis. How crucial might that be?

Speaker 14 (33:22):
Oh? Messive? But but look it's like anything, isn't it.

Speaker 8 (33:25):
If if the Fords don't do their job, then it's
going to be bloody hard for ten and twelve in
nine for that matter, to really get gone. But I
think Finn's a real confidence player too. When he's on
the front foot and has gone well, he can be
absolutely real class.

Speaker 14 (33:41):
So you know, I love watching him play.

Speaker 8 (33:44):
He's one of those guys that that kids you excited
every time you see him get the ball because you
think what's he going to do to a plot? He's
made every post to win.

Speaker 14 (33:52):
He played outstandingly well on the lines to it, didn't he?

Speaker 8 (33:56):
And the other thing with that is they're going to
bring that experience back into back into the to the
max for Scotland as well. So and and you add
that the hundred years of Murrayfield, which is just an
unbelievable stadium.

Speaker 14 (34:13):
There's going to be a massive crowd.

Speaker 8 (34:16):
Everyone gets excited about the All Blacks being in town,
but this is just another step up. They've had you know,
rugby awards over the are with with all the old
players and the end of you know, put a few
of the older boys into the Hall of Fame. So
they've been there's been a really big week leading up
to this Test and and I know I know for

(34:38):
a fact that those two players in particular are going
to be bloody key for Scotland performing. But it's like
anything when you play the All Blacks, you can't make
a lot of mistakes because they punish you and that's
what Test rugby is all about to you.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
And you're also right to land on the forwards, even
as a former back yourself. I mean, Fords will tell
you it all starts up front. How do you evaluate
Scotland's ability to match it with the All Blacks physically
in those forward exchanges.

Speaker 14 (35:04):
I don't think I'll be afraid of it. Put their way,
they've been.

Speaker 8 (35:07):
They've been really really good upfront against some of the
other swordes, particularly in the Six Nations. Now they're coming
up against France and obviously England as well, and they've
put on some bloody good performances and beatn them as well,
So they're not afraid of that part.

Speaker 14 (35:22):
They've got some big players.

Speaker 8 (35:23):
They've got guys who are not also playing in Scotland
but also then in the Premiership as well, and guys
playing in France, so they'll they'll be not afraid to
mix it up. I suppose it's like anything, you know.
I don't think they'll probably try and take them on physically.
I think they'll try and move the NewView Zealand around it.
But because of the way in the last three while

(35:44):
that Scotland's been playing, they know they're not going to
best the all blecks up up front.

Speaker 14 (35:50):
They're just not but to move them around a bit and.

Speaker 8 (35:53):
Get them, get them moving, and I think that's how
they'll play them because if they do try and take
them on up front and beat them up, they just
won't do that. So I think they're going to go
to their strengths and that is moving the ball because
they've got some guys in their background, particularly uh a
bloody good ball in hand, so mixed up with the
guys in the midfield, I really enjoy that. The outside

(36:15):
bets for Scotland as well, they're not afraid to throw
the ball around, so I think it just makes a
real good mix and that's a bit exciting.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
How do you think Scotland coach Gregor Townsend is regarded
by Scottish rugby fans.

Speaker 14 (36:29):
I think there's a mix. He's probably caught that his
whole bloody life.

Speaker 8 (36:34):
For Paul Bugger well, I think guys a fantastic rugby player,
he was probably a Mercuriel was probably one of the
ones he could call him. He was he could do
things that does no one else could do and then
other times that it didn't go so great for him
say look, I know, I know, I've been there, done that.
When it comes to that as well, not everything comes off.

(36:55):
But as a coach, I think he's you know, the
hard part about coaching is you're not everyone's friend, and
particularly in the team, you've got to make some bloody
tough calls, which he obviously has this week week in
with Vandermere because he obviously gets one of them really well.
But I just like the way that he likes to
attack and he's done that with this team. They've they've

(37:18):
thrown the ball around, they've given the ball here, they're
not afraid to cross kicks. He's had to mend a
relationship with Finn Russell as well, which he seems to
have so you know, from from a from a coaching
point of view, I think Gregor has probably.

Speaker 14 (37:33):
Learned a lot on the way as well.

Speaker 8 (37:35):
And I know he's taken on another week roll here
and there's been a few people who are not very
happy about their part. But look, I think he's done
a really good job with Scotland and and and.

Speaker 14 (37:46):
You know he's very invested in it.

Speaker 8 (37:48):
You know, he's been doing it quite a while now
and he loves Scottish rugby so and he's a good
fellow a journey, he's a top men.

Speaker 14 (37:55):
So I hope he does well.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
And you mentioned murray Field and their one hundred year
celebration this weekend. What's it like to play in Murrayfield, Brander?
What's it like as a rugby arena?

Speaker 14 (38:05):
Awesome? It is very very cool.

Speaker 8 (38:07):
I've been lucky enough to play at Caresbrook, I've been
lucky enough to play in the Star Front say I'm
lucky enough to play in Wales in the millionum stadium.
But there's just something just something about Murrayfield, and one
sort of the field's really really really closer if you're
throwing the balling or you're standing on the wing. The

(38:29):
people are pretty much about ten meters away the other
side of the field. Obviously there's a running track, but
still with boys. But everything it's just quite on top
of you. And I'll tell you what. When the loane
pipe is up on top piping he and you've got
to sing the national anthem, Flare of Scotland, I'll tell
you what. And then the whole place goes quiet and

(38:52):
all you hear singing. It really makes the he's on
the becky next stand up. And I know that the
all black boys will be sitting there enjoying that part
as well.

Speaker 14 (39:02):
But it's pretty hostile and prom and I know that.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
How fondly do you remember be your time playing rugby
for Scotland?

Speaker 8 (39:09):
Do you know one thing? It was a bloody long
time ago, That's what I do. I'm starting to feel
bloody old, but look I look it was. I was
really really lucky. I I was extremely proud to pull
on the Scottish jersey and represent my grandmother and my
my mom's sort of my family and and I gave

(39:31):
it my I gave it my all, put of their way.
I got heaps and I was extremely lucky to be
able to play test rugby, and I never thought I'd
played Test rugby at all, let alone played twenty testa metches.
So I was involved in some fantastic victories. I took
a few hidings as well, to be fear, but I
wouldn't change the thing. It was absolutely outstanding and and

(39:52):
you know, there's just something about Test rugby that makes
it very very cool. And a small, small guy, a
guy from a small town of Tomoka. I never thought
I'd be playing in the middle of Marryfield, so I
was very lucky.

Speaker 14 (40:06):
I had a great time now, brilliant.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
I don't think it was luck, Brendan, I don't think
it was luck. Great to chat you make. Get the
alarm set for four o'clock tomorrow morning, look forward to
seeing how it plays out.

Speaker 14 (40:16):
Yeah, good stuff. Enjoy the Test.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
You've enjoyed the Test too, Brendan. Thanks indeed, Brendan Laney there,
former Scotland international, with his views Susan on text. I
plan for the weekend. Up at three forty five tomorrow,
Potter tea to watch the All Black Scotland, then back
to bed for an hour and a half, then back
up with coffee for South Africa, E France and Paris
at nine and then onto the cricket. Susan that's the spirit. See,
that's the spirit. None of this recording it and getting

(40:41):
up later to watch it. Had a text through four
said someone once told me that if it's not live,
it's dead. Watch it live. Well, listen, it's on the radio.
Just get that under your pillow. Seven to one News
talks EDB.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
Analyzing every view from every angle in the sporting world
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Speaker 2 (41:05):
Four to one. Graham asked on text, what's the injury
cover for number twelve? Graham, that's a very good question.
If Quintapie was to get injured, who would go to
second five? I presume Leicester Fightinger and Nuku would. Billy
Proctor has played a bit of twelve, but yeah, there's
no obvious cover at twelve with Jordi not there. Obviously

(41:25):
he would have started, but he's not even playing fullback.
To come in to twelve, Graham, you ask a very
pertinent question, what is the injury cover at twelve? Hopefully
find out after one we zoom in on the A
League Derby.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
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Speaker 3 (41:43):
It's all on winter and sport with Jason Vane on
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Speaker 2 (41:51):
All one oh seven six hours away from kickoff in
the A League Men's derby Wellington Phoenix Auckland the FC
Sky Stadium at four o'clock this afternoon. The Wellington Phoenix
women are in action for the first time of the season.
Huge anticipation around about the team. You heard CJ Bott
there in our Sports News captain of the site this afternoon. Anyway,

(42:11):
I'm not sure what the long term plan is, but
she's certainly captain for today. Bev Priestman is the coach,
highly credentialed. Lots of news signings. Looking as much forward
actually to the women's game at four as I am
to the men's at seven. Our weather report from Wellington
I can tell you fine northally's becoming a bit stronger.

(42:34):
It says current temperature sixteen degrees in the Capitol. Just
scrolling your head to kick off time in the men's game,
fifteen degrees twenty k northerly. No, rain's going to be
a Cracker, get inside both camps for you shortly. Francis
Devreese standing by the chapter of us out of Auckland FC.
Lucas Kelly healed from the Phoenix your predictions as well,

(42:56):
Phoenix fans, Auckland FC fans football fans. Hey Piney says
this text less. I forget the silver Ferns playing Scotland
as well. Yep, it's Monday morning, five o'clock. Monday morning,
five o'clock. Looking forward to that one afternoon, Jason says, Mark,
I'll be up watching and keeping tabs on my beloved

(43:17):
Rochdale in the National League Rochdale. I had to check
the National League table Mark to see where Rochdale are third.
This is the one below League two, so the fifth
tier of English football. Rochdale third on the table, just
two points off the top. So Mark Older, keep tabs
on Rochdale as I know you will across the next

(43:41):
few months or so, just updoating you on Ford Trophy
cricket from around the traps before we move on. At
the outer oval of eden Park, Kennard's higher community Oval
to give it its correct name, Central two hundred and
ten for two and the thirty sixth over batting first
against Auckland, Brad Schuleman eighty five not out, well Young

(44:02):
made fifty earlier. Tom Bruce is there as well on
twenty s seven of seventeen balls, so see they're looking
good for a big total there at Eden Park's out
of oval at Heaton Park and Hamilton Northern District's one
fifty three for five and the forty third over batting
first against Canterbury, so making fairly heavy weather of it.

(44:23):
Robbie o'donnald there though on eighty seven not out and
at the Base Reserve in Wellington it is Otago won
seventy nine for five and the thirty ninth over. Stepping
a look at run scores max two fifty seven. Troy Johnson,
playing against his former team, is thirty three not out.
Pretty young husband has three for thirty nine of his

(44:43):
ten overs. We'll keep you updated on on Ford Trophy
cricket across the afternoon. But the first New Zealand eight
League derby of the season tonight Wellington Phoenix Auckland f
C sky Stadium, seven o'clock kickoff. Last season it was
derby domination for Auckland f C. We've had seven and
a half minutes. I've had a time New Zealand the as.

Speaker 15 (45:07):
Blue bragging rights for the A leagues, New Boys, breath taken, barnstorming,
brilliant game of football, electric.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
Blue in the derby.

Speaker 15 (45:29):
There can be absolutely no doubts New Zealand football is
blue and black.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
Auckland FC have tol verized Wellington Phoenix today. That was
last season two nil, two to one, six to one,
but it is a new season now. Both sides coming
into the match unbeaten after their first three matches, so
in pretty good form. We'll get you inside the Phoenix
camp soon. But Auckland f C and All Whites fallback.
Francis Devrees is with us on the show. Francis, thanks

(46:01):
for your time. What's your overall evaluation before we look
at tonight Of the first three games of the season
for Auckland.

Speaker 16 (46:07):
FC, it's been a positive start for us. I think
we've had tough fixtures so it's nice to know that
we can gel together quickly as a team as we
did last year, and I think the feeling and the
squad is good, so I'm definitely looking forward to the
game tonight.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
You've started well defensively, again, just the one goal conceded
and three matches so far. What is behind this ongoing
defense of solidity that's become a real hallmark of Auckland FC.
I think a couple of things.

Speaker 16 (46:34):
Like, obviously, the work rate of the whole team is exceptional.
I think we see that every week in terms of
how we press from the front and how much of
the midfield is to get back and everyone working together.
So that's the start, and then I think after that
we have really started to build that as part of
who we are as a club and people take pride

(46:55):
in it. So yeah, it's a combination of things. Obviously
a lot of practice and a lot of hard work,
but it's extremely positive and a real joy to be
a part of.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
At the other end, just the three goals in three
games so far, it's becoming a bit more prolific. Is
that a work on? Has that been a work on
for you guys?

Speaker 11 (47:14):
For sure?

Speaker 16 (47:14):
I mean as a footballer individually and as a team,
you're you're always looking to improve and it's definitely one
of the areas that we've identified that we can continue
to improve on and also jail together a little bit more.
I think you can see there are goals in the team,
so it's a question of when, not if, And personally

(47:35):
I'm really looking forward to to seeing who steps up
and who scores a few crackers like we had last year.
So hopefully that's something that we can begin to add
more and more as the season goes on.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
We've got a new target man this season in English
striker Sam Cosgrove, a real aerial threat. We saw him
open his account last weekend from one of your crosses
at set peace time. How much have you worked together
on set piece and open play delivery the two of
you specifically, It's been a.

Speaker 16 (48:04):
Bit broken, to be honest, because I mean I've been
away with New Zealand so much in this preseason, so
I'd say we're still understanding each other and still figuring
out how to best connect. But as you saw on
the weekend, I think it is starting to come together
and it's always a great feeling to do that in
front of your home fans. So I think for him

(48:25):
was obviously a great moment and a lot of pride
in getting his first goal for Auckland and hopefully plenty
more to come. And whether they're off my boot for
the assist or someone else's It's all good. Like, as
long as the team is going forwards, I think everybody benefits,
so we'll be nice to see how he continues his form.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
Like that is Darby week different from a normal A
league week?

Speaker 9 (48:48):
Do you mean, like in terms of how we prepare
for it.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
Which is how it feels more than anything. I know
you probably prepare the same way, but do you do
you feel a bit different about such a you know,
such a big game.

Speaker 16 (48:59):
Yeah, I think I think definitely yes, And obviously being
from New Zealand, it's it's quite a special week to
be a part of. Like I just want to reiterate again,
I think it's a fantastic thing for all of New
Zealand to have two teams in the competition and two
opportunities for KIV players to step up and show the
capabilities that we have in this country and more and

(49:22):
more we're growing as a nation with football, So I
think this is a super important aspect to it, and
it definitely makes you excited to play and when you
have this week of excitement coming up.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
Yeah. I heard your coach Steve Corriker earlier in the
week and he does not shy away from it at all.
You know, he is, by the sounds of it anyway,
embracing the fact that this is an exciting occasion for players,
for fans, for coaches alike. Is there any danger for
any of letting, letting the enormity of a game get
the better of you. Do you have to consciously stay grounded.

Speaker 9 (49:57):
Yeah, that's something.

Speaker 16 (49:57):
That we've spoken about this week as well, and we
have some good help there with Hamus who works with
us on our mindset and got a lot of experience
in the squad well. So it's definitely something to be
conscious of and something that we have some strategies around
of how to regulate yourself, how to stay focused, how
to be composed in those big moments. So looking forward

(50:18):
to putting that into practice this weekend.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
And you skip of Hierroarchi. Sarki unfortunately is going to
miss not only this game, but by the sounds of it,
about six weeks with the hamstring injury he picked up
last weekend against Adelaide. How big a loss is Hiroki Sarki.

Speaker 9 (50:33):
It is tough for him, tough for us.

Speaker 16 (50:36):
He's obviously a massive player in our team with what
he brings quality wise and also leadership was although I
would say when Callen came on, fantastic job, as he
does every time he plays in my opinion. So again,
it's another opportunity for a New Zealand player to excel
in the league and no doubt he will do that

(50:57):
as he has done for.

Speaker 17 (50:58):
Us last year.

Speaker 16 (50:59):
So yeah, it's a tough loss, but we also have
a very capable player coming into that position and someone
who can really positively impact the game for our team.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
What about in terms of the leadership on the field,
does Hiroki play a big part there or is that
more a guy I don't know from the outside, looking
like Jake Brimmer who seems to be a lot more
vocal on the grass.

Speaker 18 (51:20):
It's a good question.

Speaker 16 (51:21):
I think it depends a little bit on the game.
I think we have a lot of leaders within the team.

Speaker 14 (51:28):
Someone who stands.

Speaker 16 (51:29):
Out for me is Dan Hall with how he leads
just in terms of how he communicates with other players
on the field, how he sees people, and how he
makes you feel like trusted and well looked after. So
that's just one example. There's examples everywhere as well. Obviously,
Horocki is the man with the armband most games and

(51:51):
He's the one that is kind of the focal point,
but I think the leadership has also spread throughout the
team and that's been one of our strengths last year
and hopefully to continue this year as well.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
Auckland FC played twenty eight games last season three this
season the only player to have started every single one
of those thirty one games. How much do you pride
yourself on being hard to leave out?

Speaker 18 (52:15):
Yeah, it's a.

Speaker 14 (52:15):
Great feeling, obviously.

Speaker 16 (52:16):
I think that the hallmark of a good player, and
this is what I've believed all my career is consistency
and being reliable and that kind of comes over time,
and to see that happening now within this environment is
pretty special. It's something that I'm really proud of. And
you know, when I called Dad after the game and Mum,
they're stoked about it too. So it's just really nice

(52:38):
to be contributing and to be able to pass on
those great memories to the people that you care about.
So yeah, it's a really big point of pride for sure.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
And after this game International Window you jump on a
plane to the United States for the All White's latest
Window matches against Columbia and Ecuador. You've started the last
four matches for New Zealand. You're starting to feel as
though next year's World Cup is really solidifying for you
as a squad. Are you going to be a part
of I don't think so.

Speaker 14 (53:09):
Not yet.

Speaker 16 (53:09):
I mean there's a bit of baggage there with obviously
after the last qualifiers that's when I did my ACL
so I kind of know, you know that at one
small moment kind of changed everything for me in my
career and what I thought might happen and didn't end
up happening, So I'm definitely not taking it for granted.
And also again back to the consistency thing is that's

(53:30):
kind of what you want to show, is that there's
no guarantees in football. In week to week things can
change so quickly. So now it would just be obviously
stoked to be included and looking forward to hopefully contributing
a bit more on this tour and sharing the dressing
room with some of the great players we have with
you your ways, but the big focus will be on
staying consistent throughout the season and being able to play

(53:52):
a role where I can.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
And just to finish, you know, eighteen months ago you
hadn't signed for Auckland FC. You didn't have a club.
I'm sure you had irons in the fire, Auckland FC
being one of them. But to the last eighteen months
or how do the last eighteen months feel for you?

Speaker 16 (54:07):
They feel, they feel good. It's a lot of emotions
with the last eighteen months. It's hard to describe, but
I think it's something that I knew internally.

Speaker 9 (54:19):
I was capable of.

Speaker 16 (54:20):
But of course you have to have other people believing
in you too, and and you know, my partner at home, LUSA.

Speaker 19 (54:25):
Was was always like that.

Speaker 16 (54:26):
Ever since we left Sweden and gave up professional football there,
like she's been a massive support to me.

Speaker 14 (54:32):
And then to have.

Speaker 16 (54:33):
Orkanically start up with all the people involved has been
pretty special to to just see what everyone here is
capable of. Like I know, like my story is an
obvious one with playing for Suburbs and then coming here
from amateur to professional, but there's a few other boys,
like for example, Missy Randall similar situation. He's now expelling

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for US and has been great when he's been doing
the new zone set up as well. So it's just
a great pathway for New Zealand players and I guess
that's what this weekend is.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
All about as well.

Speaker 16 (55:03):
Hopefully there'll be lots of young kids watching and regardless
of who they support, seeing that there is a passway
for young new zeone players now and they could be
part of that in the future.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
Absolutely always love chatting football with your Francis or the
best in the derby tonight, mate, Thanks for taking the time.
I appreciate it.

Speaker 6 (55:20):
Mate.

Speaker 16 (55:21):
Entro the conversation, thank.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
You very much, No, thank you for joining us Francis.
Francis Devverice there out of the Auckland FC camp. What
a revelation. He's been incredible, you know, I mean a
year and a half ago, a lot of sports fans
and even some football fans weren't really they're aware of
Francis Devericse. But what a season last year and he
started again in the same way dropped that ball on
the head of Sam Cosgrove last week for the opening

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goal against Adelaide United. Here'll be a threat up and
down the left hand side again at Sky Stadium this evening.
One hundred and eighty ten eighty Phoenix fans, how are
you feeling about your side's ability to break this Auckland
FC derby domination. It was slim pickings last year. Just

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two goals in what two hundred and seventy minutes? WHI
it's that four and a half hours, two goals and
four and a half hours of football against Auckland f
C last season, three straight defeats they scored Auckland f C.
That is ten goals in your net, Phoenix fans. Can
you sense this afternoon that that is going to stop?

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Auckland FC fans? Are you just confident that this domination
will continue? Let's take some calls on the football. Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is our number nine
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a text. Macusays, pinety sixteen degrees in Wellington? You kidding me?
You should take them away games to the Mighty Hawks Bay.

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It's twenty seven here at the moment. Thanks macup. Always
good to get your weather reports. Paul says Ponty, where
are family divided? Today? Myself and one son are wearing
our Phoenix shirts. My wife and other son are kitted
out in near Auckland f SEA shirts. A lot of
strange looks when we're out in public this morning. I'm
picking a Phoenix three to one win with a late
goal on the counter to sell it. Thank you Paul

(57:12):
text here. Please tell Francis that watching him play is
a real treat. Our family thinks he is an awesome player,
one of a kind. Yeah, you're right there. And from
Vicky Jason. I love the signings the Phoenix have made,
especially upfront. I think they might have the edge over
Auckland this season. Can't wait to watch the game tonight.
Also absolutely pumped to watch the Phoenix women. Apparently Bev

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Priestman has done a brilliant job. They're fit, which is
the key to success, so bring it on. I was
in and around the final training session for the Wellington
Phoenix Women yesterday just before they did their media and
it was a vibe. There was a buzz around that team.
Beef Priestman has come in and we all know the backstory, don't.

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We have Beef Priestman, but she is a high quality,
highly credentialed football coach and she has got that team fizzing.
That weremen's team. They've made some terrific signings, both current
football ferns, some really impressive imports. They look the real deal.

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Of course, you've got to put it out on the grass.
But they have been building nicely and this afternoon at
four o'clock they get their first crack against Canberra United.
So Camber United against the Phoenix women at four, Wellington
Phoenix men against Auckland FC at seven tonight. Brilliant sports

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leader that footballer from Auckland FC says this text. He
spoke awesomely inspiring even for a fifty one year old
single dad trying to get fits. Francis de Reese is
a special guy, really quite a special human being. He's
been through a lot. It has not been a straight
line for Francis of Reese in terms of his football career.

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He made the national team at a reasonably early age
and it all looked like it was going well. Then
he went and played in Europe and ended up sort
of down the legs a little bit. Then did his
ACL didn't have a club. As I understand it, I
think I might have told this story before he offered
himself to Wellington Phoenix a couple of years ago. He
was looking to play professionally before Auckland f C came

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on the scene, and at that time Wellington Phoenix said no.
Note we're okay in your position, thanks for the offer,
but we're okay. So he was at the point where
he was going to play amateur football, just going to
play club stuff and probably do a normal job like
the rest of us. But then Auckland f C were formed.
Francis Devreze was one of the first players that they signed,
and here he is having started every single one of

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their games, the only player to have done that, and
now a pretty rusted on member of the All Whites
and pretty much a shwin to be on the plane
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can change. One twenty five is the time we'll take
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Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
One twenty nine. Robert says hard for the Knicks to
win tonight with the injuries they have. Tim Payne Man, Dracer,
James Hadeki is Shiga all out. Thanks for the interview
with Francis Devrees. What a guy. Yeah, you're right, Robert,
there are a few injuries and terrible news yesterday for
Phoenix fans that Hadeki is Shiga, one of their Japanese imports,
is out for the season with an ac L injury
he suffered last week. He came off early in the

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game against the Mariners last week and you never really sure,
are you when a player comes off. But scans have
revealed that Herdeki Ashiga has an ACL injury, and we
know how bad they are. He is out for the season.
He is only on a contract for this current season ahead,
so who knows, we may have seen the last of
Adeki Ashiga in a Phoenix shirt, depending on what the

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club decides at the end of this season. But yeah,
thoughts with Adeki Ashiga and he is a big loss.
Tim Payne as well, the all Whites fall back not
there man Draker James the center back and a few
others as well. So your injuries haven't help. But then
on the other side of the coin, you look across
at Auckland FC and as we just mentioned with Francis Devrees,
one of their most important players, their captain, Hiroki Sarkai,

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the Japanese international it's been to three World Cups, was
probably their best player last year. He's out for six
weeks with a hamstring injury. So injuries are a fact
of life when it comes to top level sport. I'm
not telling you anything you don't already know with that
in that regard, so you just got to deal with them.
You just have to deal with them. Let's get you

(01:02:40):
inside the Phoenix camp. Had the chance yesterday to chat
to Lucas Kelly Healed, one of the young defensive brigade
in the Phoenix squad. Asked him if Darby week was
a bit different from a normal week given the enormity
of the game at the end of the week.

Speaker 20 (01:02:56):
Yeah, somewhat. I think we try and treat every game
exactly the same. Been two teams from same country. It
definitely you can kind of feel that there's a bit
of added external pressure. We don't really buy into all that,
you know. We try and do what we do we
can week out, regardless of who we're playing against. But
it'll be an exciting game.

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
You only played i think second half or first half
of the third Derby last year, so it's not as
though you played all three. But is it easy or
not to put last year behind this team? You know
the three losses and start are fresh in terms of
the derbies.

Speaker 20 (01:03:31):
Yeah, I think it's definitely going into a new season.
It's a fresh start. You know, we've got a new team,
We've got we've got some some fresh faces and I
think we all came back from the offseason refreshed and
ready to work hard. So we go into each game
the same and where we're really looking forward.

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
To unbeaten started the season. How do you evaluate it
as a playing group? How happy other players with the
first three outings this season?

Speaker 20 (01:03:55):
Yeah, No, it's been a it's been a good start.
Getting been undefeated in the first three is is a
not an easy thing to do. So now we need
to start trying to turn those those draw into wins
and hopefully we can take it from there.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
Tell us about game one against Perth where you'd just
come back from the All Whites and I think Isaac
Hues was ruled out quite close to the start of
the game and you came in out challenging a transition
I guess into a new system. Was that for you?

Speaker 20 (01:04:23):
Yeah, I mean we had worked on it in pre
season then obviously went away with under twenty years and
with the national team, so they had been working together
for a few weeks while I was away, so there
was a little bit of a learning curve going into
the game. It was a bit of a tight turnaround
got in pretty close to the game. But there's no excuses,

(01:04:46):
you know, we just need to try and perform as
best as we can and we try and give us
out as the best possibility.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
There's been a lot of talk about the high line,
but it seems to have been sorted out. I mean,
there was that first half against Perth and you know,
you feel your way, but the principles of the way
you played defensively are they embedded? Now you pretty much
know what you're doing, you know, from game situation to
game situation.

Speaker 20 (01:05:05):
Yeah, I think it's showing every week where we're getting
better and better and those learning curves are starting to
narrow and we're starting to feel more comfortable in those roles.
And now that the league has started and we're playing
every week, it's a great opportunity to test ourselves and
learn from our challenges and get better.

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
How different is it for you because we're seeing you
mainly on the left side of a back four, also
in the six, but defensively. What are the specific changes
playing as part of a back three.

Speaker 20 (01:05:37):
Yeah, I think you have to think a bit more
conservatively at times when as a central player as opposed
to playing out wide, But a lot of the roles
and responsibilities are still the same. Just about winning your moments,
winning your battles and then giving it to the ones
in front of you to hopefully make something happen.

Speaker 2 (01:05:58):
Communication Wise, you know, there's no man Draker James this weekend.
Good Isaac Hughes and Matt Sheridan who I know you
know well, and then Josh behind you. How important is
the communication, especially in a Newish system.

Speaker 20 (01:06:11):
Yeah, no, it's hugely important, I think, especially with the
way we're playing. Communications key, you know. I think that's
something we've been trying to drive all for the last
few months as we've been working on it. And like
I look along the back line and there's some real
vocal people like Isaac and Matt Shirt and very vocal.
So it's been really good.

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
Is that something that you know? I mean, you don't
strike me and I might be completely wrong here as
a really vocal football player. Do you are you sort
of changing in any regard or you just let those
guys do most of the talking.

Speaker 20 (01:06:41):
No, I'm definitely vocal. I try to be. I'm not
the one to yell and scream at you, but I
will try and be concise and direct with my communication.
I'll let those around me know what needs to be done.
But you won't see me yelling my head off at
anyone around me, you know. So it's a different, i think,
more composed style of communication, but I think it works

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for me.

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
Yeah, absolutely know. It's a great quality. How different a
player are you from the Lucas Kelly Hill that joined
the Phoenix a couple of years ago?

Speaker 20 (01:07:14):
Yeah, I think every year I've grown as a player.
I think from I think three years ago now or
as my going into my third season, I think a
lot has changed and I have found myself growing into
myself as a person and as a player, and every
week poses new challenges and new opportunities, and I've enjoyed

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every minute.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
And your involvement of the national team, have you. Have
you found your experiences being in and around the All
Whites camp?

Speaker 20 (01:07:42):
Yeah, unbelievable. I always love going into that environment. They're
all such great players, but more importantly, they're all great people.
I get on well with everyone that I come into
contact with there and I try and take away as
many learnings as I possibly can, and.

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
Just back to this week to finish. Is there any
danger that you played the game before the game, if
you know what I mean. It's a big occasion to Derby,
big crowd coming. Is there any need to keep your
feet on the ground in the Thursday, Friday before the Saturday.

Speaker 14 (01:08:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (01:08:12):
I think we've spoken about it as a group. You know,
it's an important game, but it's the same game as
every other week. It's you know, both teams are trying
to win win the same game and that should be
how it is every single week. So we just need
to keep doing what we've been doing and do it
at at a high level and then hopefully the result
comes our a.

Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
Be good time to score your first day leg.

Speaker 20 (01:08:33):
Goal, It would be it definitely would be.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
Just would in your brother too, haven't seen him the
year he's coming back albe your goalkeeper brother. Is he
close to being back involved in the in the first
time environment.

Speaker 20 (01:08:44):
Yeah, definitely. He's training with us every day and he's
been getting some minutes with the reserve team just to
get some minutes in the tank and he's been training
and playing exceptionally and I'm really glad to see him
back out on the field.

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
That is Lucas Kelly healed out of the Wellington Phoenix
or seven o'clock kick off tonight in the men's game
the women at four o'clock. I spoke briefly with C J.
Bought yesterday who has has signed for Wellington Phoenix after
several years playing overseas, current football firm with over fifty camps.
Just checking in with the women's camp. It's been a

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long time coming. The off season is very very long
in the A League. So CJ bot first of all,
whether they were actually ready now to get on the field, Yeah.

Speaker 21 (01:09:29):
Really, really good.

Speaker 22 (01:09:30):
It has been a very long preseason, but we're very
grateful for it. We've made a lot of grounds and
we definitely feel very very ready to go and we're
really excited to hit the ground running tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:09:38):
Won of uscaped your attention. There's a lot of expectation
around this team. Is that in any way a burden
on the shoulders of the playoffs?

Speaker 22 (01:09:45):
No, No, absolutely not. I think it's definitely feeding the
motivation because we know we have a point to prove,
but we also know we're capable of and we've just
got belief in that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:54):
And in terms of not getting too carried away, you
had to watch everyone else get underway last week you
had to buy. Is there any danger of the occasion
getting too big for you and playing the game before
the game?

Speaker 5 (01:10:05):
No, I don't think so.

Speaker 6 (01:10:06):
I think think.

Speaker 22 (01:10:06):
Like I said earlier, we know what we're capable of.
We've got a very firm game plan. We all know
our roles and like I said, we're excited and we're
ready to go. But yeah, the occasion's got nothing to
do with it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
Are you up for media today because you're the captain
of the team that's been about for I don't know tomorrow.

Speaker 11 (01:10:22):
I am to Murra.

Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
Yeah, one congratulate, thank you. That is c J Bott, who, yeah,
we found out was captain yesterday when she did her
media There's some talk that there may be co captains
in that team, but it'll be c J. Bott who
leads the Wellington Phoenix woman out today. She will be
in her hometown. She grew up in the Wellington suburb
of Tawa. Has been overseas for a long time, but

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back in her hometown Club and no doubt proud to
lead her team out onto Sky Stadium this afternoon, twenty
one away from two. Just updating you on the cricket
before we take a break and get you across the
Tasman with Adam Peacock. Three four Trophy matches going on
at Eden Parks out of Oval Central, batting first against Auckland.
Forty three overs gone, they are two hundred and seventy
three for three. Brad Schuleman, the opener, has brought up

(01:11:05):
one hundred. He's one hundred twelve not out. Dane Cleaver
has just come to the wicket as well, but CD
racking up a big score with seven overs ago two
seventy three for three set in Park and Hamilton Northern
struggling just a little bit in the forty eighth over
one eighty eight for eight one hundred and eighty eight
for eight batting first against Canterbury and at the Basin

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Reserve it is the visitor's Otago and the forty sixth
over two hundred and three for seven two three for seven.
Should have mentioned actually in the Northern innings that Robbie
O'Donnell has scored one hundred, one hundred and six of
the one hundred and ninety that Northern have scored. So
it's a good thing that Captain Robbie O'Donnell is there,
otherwise Northern would be in quite the predicament. We'll keep

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eyes on those games for you as they progress across
the afternoon twenty to two in Australian Next with Adam Peacock.

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Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
News Dogs'd be one forty three here at news Talks
at b time for a regular Saturday catch up with
Australian correspondent to Adam Peacock, who joins us now. I've
loved keeping track of your social media this week, Adam.
You've been here, there and everywhere in a very big
week for racing in particular. How was Cup week?

Speaker 19 (01:12:25):
Awesome?

Speaker 23 (01:12:25):
Awesome, Pioneer, It was very enjoyable. Of course we've got
a good day to day as well, the champions Day,
but Darby was fantastic. But meloyn Cup day was.

Speaker 22 (01:12:35):
I don't know.

Speaker 24 (01:12:36):
AUP a few years ago was going through a few
issues with some of the internationals not quite getting through
the race, and I thought about a set of own publicity,
some of it not very good. But it just feels
like they've now decided to kind of reinvigorate it. And
it just had a great, great atmosphere there and a

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fantastic saw. It was the only Australian bread horse in
the race and it bolted in half yours with Jamie
Mellen becoming the second woman to win a Cup. So yeah,
great storylines everywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:13:06):
Absolutely yet stopped other nation as well as yours, I
can tell you, and my horse ran fourth, you'll be
pleased to know. So each way, bit, each way bit
was was nearly there, but not quite unfortunately.

Speaker 19 (01:13:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 23 (01:13:19):
Yeah, it's one of those races where you either look
like a genius or you look like an absolute fool.
So you fell in the unusual circumstances just somewhere in between.

Speaker 2 (01:13:28):
Exactly which I do. I don't mind it. I don't
mind it all right. Other matters around on your side
of the Tasman Australia have name their team for the Ashes,
which starts in a couple of weeks. Pleading have experience
not much use. What do you make of it?

Speaker 24 (01:13:39):
Yeah, I've gone for whoever's informed, Jack Pether or get
in because he scored runs the final last season and Shield.
He's got off to a pretty good start. I think
he's a second leading run scorer in Sheffield Shield, our
domestic competition through three or four matches. Whereas Sam Constace,
who was the incumbent, he's just a bit not with
it at the moment. Unfortunately Sam, he's still figuring it's

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a game. Seems twenty he'll be right, like he's got
that much talent that he just needs to kind of
work out what to do with our talent and how
to best utilize it because sometimes he's playing their shots
that look attacking and look fearless, but really are they
the right shot at the right time. So a lot
of good judges in the Australian cricket far better than me,

(01:14:22):
think that he will definitely be back in the Test side.
It might be one year, it might be a couple,
it might be a few, but he's certainly good enough.
But yeah, they've gone for this experienced lineup. And the
big question is where Marmas bats Martins labor shame does
he bat it? Three, And it all depends on whether
Cameron Green can bowl. Now, Cameron Green can bowl, he
plays six, bow Webster drops out, Marnus plays three, and

(01:14:46):
whether all it opens Cameron Green can't bowl, Marnus probably opens,
Cameron Green goes to three and Bo Webster keeps his
spot at six. And that's the big, the big question
the mart and I think the bowlers look after itself,
look after themselves, and that's the batting one.

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
No, Pat Cummins, what's the prognosis or what are you hearing?
Will he play any part in the ashes?

Speaker 11 (01:15:06):
Building?

Speaker 23 (01:15:07):
Building up? The issue that he's got gone back a
few weeks.

Speaker 9 (01:15:10):
Of course we've.

Speaker 24 (01:15:10):
Discussed it, is that he's got this tiny little hot
spot the base of his back. Now you can you
can't really just judge it off. Oh look at a
scan and he's all better go for it. You've got
to kind of build it up, build it up, because
the worst thing you can do for a lower back
is give it heaps of load while you're twisting. Unfortunately

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for Pat, he bothers a one hundred and forty ks.
Now it does a bit of twisting.

Speaker 23 (01:15:37):
He's just got to slowly build up straight line running
and then introduce some bowling off a couple of steps
and five steps then he's full run up and then
he's got to get through it and recover well without
the back going can you please not? So at the
moment the back hasn't said can you please not? I
think he's halfway through that build up period. But he's
aiming for the third test, and reports are that he's

(01:15:57):
going so well that it could be second. But got
to be really, really careful because the moment it goes
six month see ladder.

Speaker 2 (01:16:04):
Looking forward to the ashes when they roll around tape,
the pet commins can find a way to be involved.
Tony Popovich, the Soccero's coach, has named his latest squad
for the upcoming window. He continues to surprise, doesn't he
an experiment another bunch of unkept players in this latest squad?

Speaker 25 (01:16:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 24 (01:16:22):
So, I don't know if he's just keeping a whole
heap of play like forty of them, keen to give
them the sniff that they might be in with the chance,
as opposed to like some other European nations like Thomas
Turkle and for instance at England squad to squad, he's
not changing much he's like building a core, a big
core to get to the Low Cup. Where's Tony Polovitch.

(01:16:43):
It feels like he's got a corps about I don't know,
thirteen fourteen players, but the rest of the squad, the
ten to twelve that he needs to fill, it's just
hanging in the breeze. So he's bringing all these players in,
like a guy Denny Urich for instance. I forgot he
was playing football, but he's scoring goals in Poland. So
on Facebook, you're actually on that. He actually probably does

(01:17:04):
deserve a go like Cami Evidence, like ripping it up
in Scotland. So he's in the squad, which is good
to know. And sure there's a few Nicks fans who'd
be happy about that. But yeah, he's just it's really
open out like al Hassan Tore. He's played a couple
of games in the aleg back. Yeah, it's an interesting
way to go about it. But he's having a look
at absolutely everyone in can Popper.

Speaker 2 (01:17:25):
Yeah it is interesting. I mean Darren basically our all
whites coaches very much in the in the settled squad,
with just a sprinkling of new faces here and there.
The latest squad's name has only got got one new
player from memory. So yeah, it's an interesting little balancing act.
But what Papa will do, what Papa will do.

Speaker 24 (01:17:42):
Papa he used to do this that Wanderers, for instance,
Like the way.

Speaker 23 (01:17:47):
He'd name his team. He wouldn't name it the day.

Speaker 24 (01:17:49):
Before, like to the team I'm talking about, not to
ask were at the team shed now before. He'd actually
get every single player and squad the rock up with
their kid, like all twenty three players or whatever it is,
and then put up the team. That's so there's six
guys who have rocked up with their boots thinking I
might be a chance of playing today, look at the
whiteboard and go, oh, I'm not even in the squad
of the same my suit. So he does it that way, Popper,

(01:18:12):
he does it his own way, and yeah, the results
will kind of speak themselves when we get to America
next year.

Speaker 2 (01:18:18):
Indeed, and just to finish manly in our religion daily
Cherry Evans has moved to the roosters. Has been confirmed.
This was expected, wasn't it.

Speaker 24 (01:18:28):
Yeah, Sarcasm is the greatest form of comedy in my opinion.
Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. So I'll go down
this past. This is the biggest shock of the year. Piney,
I can't believe it.

Speaker 23 (01:18:39):
Jerry Eavens off to the roosters. You could have blow
me down with a father yesterday. Absolutely amazing, always going
to happen. The only mystery is and Daily will tell
his own story eventually about why the twists and turns
and why he went down this path. But I guess
he wanted to wait until the regular season had kind

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of blown through and pre season was about to start,
and I guess for him, I'll be fascinated to see
what he says.

Speaker 24 (01:19:08):
Maybe he got to end the last season with Manley
and just wanted to give himself a month and then
to think, so I really want to go through this
again with pre season training. So yeah, it's done, one
year deal. Give you good for the Chalks and Manly
can move on with life. I've got a new CEO
now Manly a next legend and Jason King sob to
change there and Karen Ford and coming back as an
assistant coach, which is great for the club and all
the players are excited. So again, mainly try to find

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that missing ingredient and hasn't been there.

Speaker 19 (01:19:32):
For a few years.

Speaker 2 (01:19:34):
Never a shortage of sporting talking points on your side
of the Tasman. Adam, thanks as always for joining us, mate.
Have a great weekend and we'll catch up again next Saturday.

Speaker 24 (01:19:41):
You too, finally enjoy the Derby?

Speaker 2 (01:19:42):
Oh certainly well, Adam, don't you worry about that? Thanks indeed,
Adam Peacock, our regular Saturday correspondent from across the Tasman
bringing us Australian sporting matters. Can't wait for the Ashes.
Just love the Ashes. First Test starts on Friday, November
the twenty first. So what's that two weeks yesterday Opta
Stadium in Perth, the first Test of the Ashes series.

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I looked at that team that was named during the week,
just so experienced, as they say, I think one player
under thirty in the Australian Ashes squad. That's very rare,
isn't it. You think for a country like Australia, who
pride themselves on the depth that they have, that there'd
be some youngsters in there. But you know, experience counts
for a lot. So yeah, just Cameron Green. I think

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the only player in that Ossie Ashes squad under the
age of thirty, looking forward to the five Test series
starting in a couple of weeks. Eight and a half
to two New stalks ep.

Speaker 1 (01:20:35):
From breaking down the Hail Mary's and the epic fails
weekends for it with Jason him new Stalk Zenby.

Speaker 2 (01:20:44):
Coming up five to two. Just checking in on the
Sal Paulo Grand Prix. Illiam Lawson's made an early exit
from qualifying for tomorrow morning sprint race. At the event,
he was one of the bottom five drivers eliminated in
the first segment. He'll start a lowly seventeenth on the grid.
Here are some of his thoughts on that.

Speaker 13 (01:21:00):
Well, it was pretty close, so that ultimately words you
think you were just lacking to.

Speaker 14 (01:21:06):
Not get through.

Speaker 26 (01:21:08):
We didn't do a second lap, so first that was okay.
I mean the car has been very very quick today,
so yeah, we just we came out of the garage
for the second run and everyone was slowing down at
the pedixit and I ran out of time. Basically, I started,
I came across the line right behind ghastly and.

Speaker 14 (01:21:28):
All collupens.

Speaker 26 (01:21:28):
I don't know who it was, but we just messed
up the timing completely, so I don't really know how,
but yeah, it basically meant we didn't do a second lap.

Speaker 6 (01:21:38):
Was it discussed before hunt to try and leave it
as late as possible for optimum conditions.

Speaker 26 (01:21:42):
Honestly, I don't even think we left it that late.
It's just sometimes people leave big gaps, and also with
cars doing cool downs on track, it just you get
caught up in it and we just got really bad timing.
I'm sure we'll review it. We definitely didn't need to
take the risk because, yeah, the car's been very quick,
so it's pretty frustrating.

Speaker 14 (01:22:02):
How will you use the sprint? You'll try and make
up as as money places that you can.

Speaker 26 (01:22:06):
Yeah, we've been parked in traffic, so we'll try and
learn something that's it's going to be.

Speaker 2 (01:22:12):
Something that's a fairly downcast. Liam Lawson so print race
tomorrow morning in the Grand Prix event itself in the
early hours of Monday morning in sal Parlo. After the
news at two, we'll get you to Nelson with the
black Caps in the West and these have relocated for
games three and four in their five match T twenty
series Game three tomorrow, Game four on Monday. Mark Chapman

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had a really good game at Eden Park on Thursday night,
seventy eight off twenty eight balls, as New Zealand eventually
got home by three runs in that game. Mark Chapman's
on the show after two and will also get you
to the Black Foils where Leo Takahashi Flight Controlla will
join us. Less than one hundred days until sal GP Auckland.

Speaker 1 (01:22:53):
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Speaker 3 (01:22:58):
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Speaker 2 (01:23:04):
Talks passed two or thereabout. I'm Jason Pine, Andy McDonald.
The show produces us this weekend Sport on News Talks.
He'd until three. Tim Beverage's ready to take over after that.
But before we get there, I want to get to
inside the Black Boyles camp. It's less than one hundred
days now until sal GP returns to Aukland. It was
so good, wasn't it? Earlier this year? Even though the

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Australians won it, the occasion was terrific, so good that
they've extended the grand stand. There are more spectator areas
this time. Around February fourteen to fifteen of next year
is when sal GP will return to Auckland tickets available
and selling fast. Leo Takahashi Flight control over the Black
Foils is on the show. Before they even think about Auckland.

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They've got to get to the season finale this year,
which is an Abu Dhabi at the end of this month,
so how they're tracking towards that and how is Leo
Takahashi found it his first full year with the Black Foils,
replacing Andy Maloney in that very tight knit team. He's
on the show this hour. David Williams, a player who
was extremely popular during his time here as a Phoenix footballer,

(01:24:11):
has announced this week that he's leaving Perth Glory, which
is his latest football club, and there's no real clarity
on where he'll end up next. But I wanted to
talk to David Williams because he was so popular during
his time here just the one season, but scored a
lot of goals, linked up really nicely with Roy Krishner
during his time here. Very popular with fans, so whenever

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you are to him. Mark Chapman out of the Black
Cap shortly as well. Game three and four of the
five match T twenty series against the Western he's in
Nelson Saxton's oval. The lovely Saxton's Oval. What a place
to watch cricket and to play cricket at Mark Chapman Shortly,
we'll keep you updated on four trophy scores from around
the country as well. Our lines of communication are always

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open for you. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is
our free phone number. You can text your thoughts on
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closer to nine pass two, it's an laboratory time, I know,
but it's the time we normally get you up to
date with a few things that you may have missed.

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In case you missed it, the Sporting Edition. Adelaide United
picked up and went over the Western Sydney Wanderers last
night at home to move to fourth on the A
League Ladder. Two strikes in the sixty third and sixty
eight minutes. The difference Ivanovitch's working hard across the fourth
front of the attack gross is a great a fair
great good word.

Speaker 5 (01:25:40):
His first goal.

Speaker 2 (01:25:42):
Since returning to the Rats, and.

Speaker 12 (01:25:47):
Adelaide's all time leading goalscorer has doubled their advantage.

Speaker 2 (01:25:53):
Chair here ten all the final squarter Adelaide United over
the Western Sydney Wanderers, who actually thought we're going to
be quite good, just the one point from their first
four games. Meantime, an absolute screamer from Bailey Brentman proved
the diference between Central Coast and Perth as the Mariners
moved for the meantime anyway up to second on the ladder.
For Brandtman, he's one on one with Shimur, cuts back

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in on to the.

Speaker 27 (01:26:16):
Left fot off Dailey Brandon. What a goal, What a
way to register your first A League goal. Bailey Brandtman
cuts back in on the left foot and sends her
flying past helpless Matt Sutton to.

Speaker 2 (01:26:33):
The United States scene to the NFL A quite frankly
dreadful game, but the Denver Broncos have moved to an
NFL best eight and two record with a ten to
seven winner over the Las Vegas Raiders under three minutes
left in the half. Are we now slips to the outside,

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next looks that way that over the middle end of
the right, throws court into the end zone for the
touchdown Troy Franklin and as we heard before too not
a great outing for Liam Lawson. In sprint qualifying McLaren's
Landown Iris taking pole for the sprint race in South
plows to the.

Speaker 28 (01:27:14):
Champion of Leader, hanging on to that second row behind
this man Kimmy Anzanelli who's lost him at a time.

Speaker 2 (01:27:21):
He is definitely going to.

Speaker 28 (01:27:22):
Be on the front row for the South Paolo sprints
and he lights up alongside Lando Norris hoots have over
the championship lea last time outs have Baxi's.

Speaker 2 (01:27:31):
First sprint pole.

Speaker 28 (01:27:33):
It is Norris on top here on this Friday.

Speaker 2 (01:27:36):
Evening in South Paolo's.

Speaker 1 (01:27:39):
Analyzing every view from every angle in the Sporting World
weekends forward with Jason Vine call.

Speaker 2 (01:27:47):
Us Talk Zivy eleven past two. The black Caps and
Wisdonis have relocated to Nilsen for Games three and four
in their five match T twenty International cricket series. The
black Caps squad the series on Thursday night with a
three run victory at Eden Park. Mark Chapman seventy eight
off twenty eight balls and three catches the man of
the match. It's it hard.

Speaker 4 (01:28:10):
You won't get that either, and that's fifteen for Chatman.

Speaker 12 (01:28:13):
What at fifty two he's bought it up off nineteen balls,
it's your eight. No, it's half folly. It's been plunked
into the boundary goes after that and that's going to
be six more. That's going to go all the way

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to six more. Over back with square.

Speaker 18 (01:28:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:28:38):
What an innings from Mark Chapman seventy eight off twenty
eight balls. Mark, let's start with that innings of yours.
It's obviously coming off the bat. Okay, how do you
reflect on your innings on Thursday night?

Speaker 25 (01:28:49):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, it was just one of those
days where the balls seemed to find the middle of
the bat and you're just enjoying yourself and you're just
trying to try to keep it on for as long
as you can really. But yeah, no, it was good fun,
good to get a match winning score in the end.

Speaker 14 (01:29:06):
Team.

Speaker 2 (01:29:06):
You did look a bit annoyed when you got out.
I guess that's natural when you're batting well. But did
you feel like there were more runs out there for you?

Speaker 5 (01:29:14):
Oh?

Speaker 18 (01:29:14):
Yeah, I mean I guess when you're going like that,
you just want to want it to carry on as
long as you can. Yeah, we're just having fun out there,
Daryl and I.

Speaker 25 (01:29:22):
We we're enjoying ourselves and yeah, it's nice to put
the West Indies boys under a bit of pressure.

Speaker 2 (01:29:27):
In T twenty cricket, you don't often get the chance
do You're to bat with someone for a long time.
Partnerships might only be three or four overs, But even
in that shorter time, are partnerships still quite important in
this form of the game.

Speaker 7 (01:29:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (01:29:41):
Absolutely.

Speaker 25 (01:29:42):
I think you know, something that's really important is communicating
with your partner around you know which sort of bowler
to target, or you know whether you're feeling a certain
sort of end that you prefer or a certain style
of bowling. So yeah, I think you know it's it's
probably underestimated and T twenty cricket how important the partnership
actually is.

Speaker 18 (01:30:02):
And just communicating with your partner on that yeah, super important.

Speaker 2 (01:30:05):
What about coming in mark and pretty much going from
ball one? Is there an acquired skill to that to
being able to play run scoring strokes pretty much immediately?

Speaker 14 (01:30:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 25 (01:30:17):
Well, I guess the benefit of sort of not I
guess not opening is you get to have a look
at you know, what's happening up the top, and then
I guess you get a pretty good feel for things
straight away, and sometimes you can sort of get the
pace of a wicket within a few balls at times,
but sometimes it can take a bit longer. So yeah,

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I guess it's just being really clear on the rests
that you take and stacking them in your favor.

Speaker 2 (01:30:44):
How much has the way you bat personally and T
twenty changed during your now well over a decade playing
this form of the game.

Speaker 25 (01:30:53):
Yeah, I mean, to be honest, I've always tried to have,
you know, like a high intent when of that. Yeah,
I guess you know, you sort of evolve in your
start of play, but it's making sure that you really
embrace your strengths and understand, you know, your own individual
style of play.

Speaker 18 (01:31:12):
I think for me, I've become a lot clearer in
that as I've got a little bit older.

Speaker 25 (01:31:16):
But I guess you know, these days, you know, scores
are a little bit higher, So it's just making sure
that you're attacking instincts at the floor when you're playing.

Speaker 2 (01:31:26):
Have you found that you have increased your scoring areas
or have you just become more efficient than the ones
that were good anyway? I mean, for example, does your
wagon wheel still look the same as it always did,
or are there new places you're scoring runs now?

Speaker 25 (01:31:43):
I don't really think so, to be honest, I think
it's just it's sticking to your strengths, I guess for
me being someone who is probably a little bit smaller
in stature, probably slightly slightly more square of the wicket.

Speaker 14 (01:31:55):
But I also back myself to.

Speaker 25 (01:31:57):
Hit down the ground as well, so you know, I've
always had the sort of scoops and things like that
as well. So I'll probably call on those less than
I used to because of trying to myself with my
Plan A.

Speaker 18 (01:32:08):
But you've still got to have your Plan B and
your Plan C as well.

Speaker 2 (01:32:11):
So two o seven the other night at the innings break,
did that feel like enough?

Speaker 25 (01:32:16):
To be honest, that Eden Park, you never feel like
you have enough depend Yeah, no matter no matter how
many you get. You know, obviously with some of the dimensions,
the chasing team is always in the game. And to
be honest, the West Indies batting lineup is pretty deep
and as we saw last night, was one of the
most explosive and powerful batting lineups and wet of crickets.

Speaker 18 (01:32:37):
So you know, even even when they needed ninety runs
at three a.

Speaker 25 (01:32:41):
Ball, you know, we sort of knew that that they
went out of the game just because the power they possessed.
So I mean, well, we're well aware of that threat
and so we're trying to mitigate that as much as
we can.

Speaker 2 (01:32:53):
How though, how do you mitigate it? How do you
defend a ground like that?

Speaker 25 (01:32:58):
Yeah, well, I think I guess it was obvious to
see that, you know, if we didn't quite execute our
plan that you know, the ball was going to say
over the ropes. But I think you know, one thing
that the bowlers did amazingly well is that as they
tried to stay ahead of the game around not being
too predictable with what they bowled. Sometimes if you get
set in one plan and and you mess, it's it's

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just a matter of messing by a few inches and
the ball will go over the ropes. So, you know,
I guess from from a bowling point of view, it
was really encouraging to see how proactive the bowlers were
and and you know how they backed themselves. You know,
Kyle at the end there it's both three slow balls
in a row to close a game out. There's probably
something that we don't see that often, but you know,
it's amazing to see that he just backed that skill

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and executed and you know won the game for us.

Speaker 2 (01:33:45):
And speaking of backing skills, your skills in the field
three catches, one particularly eye catching one and the deep
there's fielding something you take pride in in terms of
catching but also saving runs.

Speaker 25 (01:33:56):
Yeah, well, you know, I guess you know, for us
as a team, it's it's a it's a really good
metric on how we're going if if we're if we're
have energy in the field and you know, and we're
throwing ourselves around. Not to say that we're going to
take every single chance that presents itself, but you know,
more often than not, if we're looking for the ball
and trying to be as aggressive as we can in

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the field, then you know, that's a really good metric
for us.

Speaker 18 (01:34:20):
As a team. And you know we've been working hard
on that behind the scenes.

Speaker 2 (01:34:23):
And there's a World Cup not too far away in
this format early twenty twenty six. Are you, personally and
as a team now building towards that World Cup? Pretty
much every time you play a game of T twenty.

Speaker 25 (01:34:36):
Yeah, I mean, I guess, you know, people have been
mentioning the World Cup, but you know, between now and
our first game, we've got a lot of cricket to
be played.

Speaker 18 (01:34:43):
So to be honest, our focus is firmly here.

Speaker 25 (01:34:46):
We've got an exciting series on our hands, you know,
one all against the West Indies boys. We've got back
to back games here at Nelson and then finish off
in Dunedin, so you know that's fairly at the front
of our minds. And yeah, we will shift our focus
when's appropriate for the World Cup.

Speaker 2 (01:35:02):
Yeah, wonderful spot Nelson. I don't think you've played personally, Marke.
We have a lot of international cricket there. I think
a T twenty in a one day perhaps is all
you've you've played there. Looking forward to a couple of
games at Saxton's.

Speaker 18 (01:35:14):
Yeah, it's a beautiful ground. Yeah, I think we had.

Speaker 25 (01:35:18):
I had a T twenty here against Sri Lanka last
year and it was a sellout, so you know we're
expecting the same. You know, the crowd will really turn
up and you know, hopefully they can see some exciting cricket.

Speaker 2 (01:35:29):
Yeah, let's hope. So Hey, thanks for joining us, Mark,
congrats on a great endings the other night. All the
best for the rest of the series.

Speaker 18 (01:35:34):
Brilliant thanks Jason.

Speaker 2 (01:35:35):
No, thank you Mark. Mark Chapman there out of the
black Caps, so one all were three games to go.
The next tour in Nelson has mentioned tomorrow at one
fifteen and then Monday at one fifteen. The fifth and
final game of the T twenty series is in Dneed
and on Thursday, also one fifteen start. Then it's three
One Day Internationals in christ Church, Napier and Hamilton on

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November sixteen, nineteen and twenty two. And then they put
the Whites on on and get the red ball out
for three Test matches in December December two to six
and christ Church December ten to fourteen in Wellington and
eighteen to twenty two at Mount Monganui. So plenty of
cricket to come before Christmas. Between the black Caps and
the West Indies twenty past two just updated on Ford

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Trophy innings break and all three of these matches in
Auckland Central three thirty seven for five in their fifty overs,
Brad Shuleman batting right the way through one hundred and
thirty six not out Tom Bruce sixty three or thirty
nine balls, so Auckland chasing three point thirty eight to
beat Central at Eden Park's Outer Oval down the Road
in Hamilton nor the district's two hundred and ten for

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eight in their fifty overs. Canterbury will begin their chase
shortly around our Capua three for thirty for Canterbury, Michael
Ray three for forty three and at the base in reserve.
Otago bowled out on the penultimate delivery of their fifty
overs for two hundred and twenty seven by Wellington. Top
scorer was Max Chew, the wickeeper with fifty seven. Look

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Georgeison forty from the bowling point of view, Petty young
husband thirty nine off his ten overs. When we come back.
We're inside the Black Foyles camp as they look forward
to a couple of things, the SALGP twenty twenty five
Grand Final at the back end of this month and
returning to Auckland for sle GP Auckland in February of

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twenty twenty six. Flight controller Leo Tuckerhush, you're going to
join us after this.

Speaker 3 (01:37:28):
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Speaker 2 (01:37:38):
Two twenty four. Dave from Queenstown on text, Jason, I
think Mark Chapman's and things the other night was amazing,
exactly what fans want to see in T twenty cricket.
I hope he backs himself to keep being aggressive. If
you fire once or twice, so be it. But when
it goes well, we saw how good he is bang
on Dave and I think Mark Chapman often becomes a
player who you look at and he gets a couple
of low scores and people start questioning his place in

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the side. He's clearly a terrific T twenty cricketer. Less
than one hundred days until SALGP hits Auckland again February
fourteen and fifteen. It'll be event two of the twenty
twenty six calendar. Australia certainly enjoyed the first Auckland event
earlier this year.

Speaker 12 (01:38:14):
As they bring it home and there's the first line,
the sold out crowd will bring them home. They'd rather
see black walls, but they're going to see green and gold.

Speaker 3 (01:38:23):
As they come to the.

Speaker 12 (01:38:24):
Line, the Emirates putty moment goes the way of the Australians.

Speaker 2 (01:38:29):
Still one event to go in twenty twenty five, the
Grand Final in three weeks time in Abu Dhabi. Great
to welcome in Black Foil's flight controller Leo Takahashi. Leo,
thanks for joining us. Less than one hundred days until
you're back in Auckland. But how are you're tracking towards
the twenty twenty five final in about three weeks time?

Speaker 19 (01:38:46):
Yeah, it's good. Thanks, ye, one hundred days to go
to Auckland.

Speaker 21 (01:38:48):
It's weird to be celebrating a mass done by that
when we still have one more event to go in
the in the in the last event of the season.
But Abudabi, the preps going well. We've had a nice
little break after our event in Spain, a couple of
weeks off and then we're kind of kind of starting
to wrap things up with prep and yeah, just thinking
about the light wins and the grand final, the three boat.

Speaker 19 (01:39:12):
When it takes all there, we could be having a Nabadhabi.

Speaker 2 (01:39:14):
Just give us the lowdown on the format. You still
have fleet races first, right, and then it's the top
three at the back end of Abu Dubbi, Is that right?

Speaker 19 (01:39:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 21 (01:39:24):
Correct, We still have a full fleet series, so we've
still left seven races over the two days, and then
we still have to basically qualify ourselves into that Grand Final.
So right now we're second overall with the Ossis and
the Spanish still behind us, and then the Brits a
couple of points behind, so still have to perform on
the first couple of fleet races and then kind of

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solidify I'll.

Speaker 19 (01:39:47):
Place into the final and then it's when it takes
all for that big prize.

Speaker 2 (01:39:52):
How do you reflect on twenty twenty five as a whole?
They say that elite sport can be a roller coaster.
Would that be a fair description of this year?

Speaker 19 (01:40:01):
Yeah, it's definitely had its ups and downs, but you know,
definitely more ups.

Speaker 21 (01:40:06):
Or you know, it's it's been a challenging season just
for the front the early early start of the season
having a few gear issues and then just trying to
gel with the team and then you know, this back
half it's just been trying to perform and you know
the team has shelled and we're just trying to find
a little bit steak out.

Speaker 19 (01:40:28):
But you know, in Spain, we you know.

Speaker 21 (01:40:31):
We came off the back of a tough event in
Geneva and the points are actually super tight, and then
the team had had to have a really good result
in Spain, and you know, we came away and worked
real hard on what went wrong and and then we
had a really good event in Spain. We were kind
of in there about to win the final, but then
you know, the Brits pipped us. But the fact we

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got a second there and kind of built a bit
of a lead on the back on the Spanish and
the Aussie to kind of solidify that second place overall.

Speaker 19 (01:40:59):
Was That's what I'm real happy with.

Speaker 2 (01:41:00):
You mentioned that we're gelling there a couple of times.
As we all know, you came in to replace Andy
Maloney and the Black Foils, and I remember speaking with
you early in the year and you were saying very
keen to try and gel with this team. What's that
process been like for you, Leo, as you've as you've
tried to find those connections and have found those connections
and to gel with the Black Foils team.

Speaker 21 (01:41:22):
Yeah, like I said, it's we have a real great
culture in the Black Foils, and it's about our challenges
with everyone being known.

Speaker 19 (01:41:30):
In different places at once.

Speaker 21 (01:41:31):
But when we're all together, the team work really well
together and and hard as well in the behind the scenes.

Speaker 19 (01:41:37):
So for me, I know I've got the skills to
do a great flight controller. It's just all about learning.

Speaker 21 (01:41:43):
The tendencies of how everyone works in the team and
I help piece to the bow and how Bla trims
wing and then yeah, just trying to work through that
and then yeah, we've had a lot of different conditions
this year, mainly light like when in the recent in
a few events, so just real being on top of
the game when it goes from being real light or

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real real windy, because it's the team that kind of
settles into that pace as soon as you can first
that that does well in those events, and ultimately the
consistency throughout the season.

Speaker 2 (01:42:15):
You get a mountain of data, I'm sure after every race,
probably after every leg of every race, when you look
at your data, what is more important? Is it flight
time or is it stability? Once you're up on the foils.

Speaker 21 (01:42:30):
It's basically, when it's light winds, it will be flight time,
and then yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:42:35):
When it's when we're consistently foiling, it will be stability.

Speaker 21 (01:42:39):
You know that anyone can be a kind of hero
and fly the boat super high, but if the stability
is not there, it's it's.

Speaker 19 (01:42:45):
You know, you're not going to be getting the performance
out of the boat.

Speaker 21 (01:42:47):
So I'm just trying to find that balance between flying
super high and having enough stability that the team can
make the decisions around the course. So that's what I
look for in the data there is there are lots
of data, and you can kind of really get into
rabbit holes comparing itself with other teams and how you're going.
But yeah, the main things are, you know, how your

(01:43:08):
speed is around the course. The starts had been a
kind of big statistic. You know that some of the
other teams has definitely had some good mark one averages
from the start, so just trying to figure out how.

Speaker 19 (01:43:21):
They're doing that.

Speaker 21 (01:43:22):
And then yeah, for me and Blair who kind of
look after this speed stuff, trying to figure out where
the games are made and how we can really get
the potential out of the boat.

Speaker 19 (01:43:31):
But yeah, basically stability.

Speaker 21 (01:43:33):
Definitely a flight but we were falling, But yeah, flight
is super important to staying on the foils and that
really light, fickle breeze.

Speaker 2 (01:43:41):
You travel the world during Sole GP and it's great
to have an event in New Zealand. Again, how much
did you enjoy sailing on home waters earlier this year?
Even though the result didn't go the way you probably hoped.
What was it like sailing on home waters?

Speaker 19 (01:43:55):
Oh, it was amazing. It's on boarders that I grew
up sailing on. And you know, even just the thought
of you know, falling.

Speaker 21 (01:44:03):
At forty knights around Auckland Harbor was a dream come true.
Toged that off with my family and friends being there
and all the fans that showed up and showed their support,
it was truly a dream come true. So now I'm
really excited for the twenty twenty sixth edition. The grand
stands are going to be even bigger, so that the
fans that missed out last year they can get a ticket.

Speaker 19 (01:44:24):
And make sure that they're missed out. And yeah, it's
going to be a great day out. It always is here.

Speaker 21 (01:44:28):
We's love a bit of watching some sailing in the
sun and you know, just enjoying a real cool atmosphere
of Kiwi sports. So the fact that it's making it
more easier for fans to watch sailing, I'm really.

Speaker 19 (01:44:44):
Happy about it. And it's cool to see the sport
growing so fast.

Speaker 2 (01:44:47):
Yeah, absolutely couldn't agree more. Looking forward to being there
on February fourteen and fifteen for event to in twenty
twenty six. Lea, thanks for chatting to us, mate, all
the best and Abu Dhabi as you chase the big
prize for twenty twenty five. Look forward to seeing you
back in Auckland early in the new year.

Speaker 19 (01:45:02):
Thanks Chas, so make sure you get your tickets. We'll
see you there.

Speaker 2 (01:45:04):
Yeah, I look forward to it, mate, Leo taka Hashi.
Flight can troll Sale GP Auckland at February fourteen and
fifteen next year. Tickets available right now and expanded grandstand
so more tickets for more people, but at will sell
very quickly. Make sure you get involved. We'll broadcast weekend
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Speaker 13 (01:48:08):
David Williams ever the Starling lineup for the first time in.

Speaker 14 (01:48:12):
A while, and he retains the fifth sime By Mike.

Speaker 2 (01:48:16):
Rew Dan David Williams played A League football for Queensland
Raw as a seventeen year old, then had time with
North Queensland Fury, Melbourne City, Wellington Phoenix and Perth Glory,
racking up two hundred and twenty eight A league matches,
scoring fifty one goals. Also had time playing in Denmark,
Hungary and India. He also played under seventeen, under twenty

(01:48:37):
and under twenty three football for Australia and earned two
full Soccero's caps. He announced this week he'll be leaving
Perth Glory, so I wanted to get him on the
air to reflect really on his time as a Phoenix player.
He's with us. David Williams, thanks for joining us, mate,
great to have you on the show. You were here
in Wellington in twenty eighteen nineteen, so tell us about
the five or six years since that.

Speaker 17 (01:48:59):
Yeah, thanks for having me Piney that was you can
come up for a breath of air now, o, can you.

Speaker 7 (01:49:04):
Look.

Speaker 17 (01:49:05):
I was unfortunate I was injured and didn't make the
double header in New.

Speaker 9 (01:49:09):
Zealand versus Auckland.

Speaker 17 (01:49:10):
Then the trip down to Wellington up shortly after, so
that would have been my time to come back to
Wellington and see you and catch up and you know,
really enjoy that the yellow fever for you know, potentially
one of the last times. But look, it's one of
those journeys that I've really really enjoyed. And to this day,

(01:49:33):
my wife and I.

Speaker 9 (01:49:34):
Still speak about my time in Wellington. We speak about,
you know.

Speaker 17 (01:49:40):
We're having our first boy who was living there with us,
and you know, things pop up on anniversaries and different
things like that on our phone, you know, and it's
him in Wellington, riding the bus to daycare and all that.
So a lot of fond memories of my time in
Wellington and New Zealand and yeah, long career to think
about as well.

Speaker 2 (01:49:59):
Twitty eighteen nineteen was the season you spent with Wellington Phoenix.
Mark Rudin was the coach. How did he tim do
you to the Phoenix?

Speaker 17 (01:50:09):
I think it was Yeah, just from memory, it was
just a conversation on the on the phone. He was
He's something that kind of tested me. I think he
was playing a few mind games on the on the
phone as well, which kind of enticed me a little
bit to kind of prove him, prove him wrong. But
you know, it was just an opportunity that you know,

(01:50:32):
it was something different. I've always loved traveling and experienced
different parts of the world, and throughout my career, you know,
I've chosen a few countries and clubs and cities that
you know, I've been able to travel. And if you
can do that and the clubs are paying for you
to come over and for visas and all this different stuff,
you know, that's one of those situations where it was

(01:50:54):
another opportunity to experience the culture and the country of New.

Speaker 9 (01:50:59):
Zealand, which I really love.

Speaker 17 (01:51:01):
So yeah, I jumped at the opportunity and had a great,
great time. The club looked after me very well, well,
it was run really well, the fans were great, and
you know, it was something that was special throughout that time.
Through that season, even though we didn't win anything, I
felt like the club was on and the team that
year was you know, we felt like we had that

(01:51:22):
kind of won something that a part of me thinks
that looking back on.

Speaker 2 (01:51:27):
It, Well, you arrived off the back of the previous
season which had been very challenging for the club and
for its fans, Wellington finishing just one point off the
Wooden Spoon, and I know there were some scars around
the fan base. Were there any internal scars wellow when
you arrived. Did you arrive into a playing group that
was still feeling the effects of a pretty disappointing previous season.

Speaker 9 (01:51:51):
I don't think so.

Speaker 17 (01:51:52):
I think the recruitment was pretty good in terms of
personalities that had come into to the team for what
we're already there as well.

Speaker 9 (01:52:02):
I loved the dressing room. We had a great dressing room.

Speaker 17 (01:52:05):
I mean it was Andrew Juran there, there was Steven Taylor,
There was Olie Sale as well. Was there a teammate
of mine here at Perth as well? You know, there
was a really really good core group as well. Nathan
Burns was a very experienced player that was in the
team too. And then you've got Libby Cacacci as well,

(01:52:25):
who was just, you know, such a bright light in
that season who has gone on to bigger and better things.

Speaker 9 (01:52:30):
So I didn't notice anything.

Speaker 17 (01:52:33):
And that's the best thing about being a player who
didn't really follow the Phoenix the previous year and not
knowing those you know, essentral scars or the way that
the club or fan base were feeling.

Speaker 9 (01:52:44):
You can.

Speaker 17 (01:52:45):
You know, the beauty about signing new players about that
is coming in and changing the environment. So I came
in and from day one we were laughing and everyone
was getting on. So yeah, I think that set up
our preseason was really good and that set up the
season that we had, which unfortunately didn't eventuate to anything,
but there was some exciting games and I think we

(01:53:06):
played some really really good football over that that season.

Speaker 2 (01:53:10):
Well, you made the top six, which hadn't been done
for a for a few years at Wellington, so that
was certainly an achievement. Just before we talk about more
about the season, you mentioned Libby there. Liby Cacaci Sarprech
thing was in that team as well, and we know
they've both gone on. They've both gone on to to
you know, to overseas careers. They were young then, man,
was it obvious though to you even as youngsters that

(01:53:33):
they had a bit about them Libby and Sarpreed.

Speaker 9 (01:53:36):
Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 17 (01:53:37):
The thing with those two is they got opportunities regularly
as well. They were they were backed by Mark and
it just made it you know, easy for them based
on who was around.

Speaker 9 (01:53:53):
Them in different positions as well. So that's very.

Speaker 17 (01:53:55):
Important of where they're allocated on the field with some experience,
you know.

Speaker 9 (01:54:00):
Sarpri was essentially when I was starting.

Speaker 17 (01:54:03):
He was playing behind Roy, christna Or and I with
the two of us old fellas up the front and
star Pre doing a lot of running for us. I
think it was very handy, but also I think with
the pace that Roy and I could kind of give,
with Surprit through balls and his technical ability as well,
I think it matched up really well.

Speaker 9 (01:54:23):
And Libby was a simple play He.

Speaker 17 (01:54:26):
Just wanted to attack, dribble, get crosses in and he
based his football round simplicity, which he went on some
amazing dribbles and some amazing runs and got you know
people you know, standing up out of their seats wait
holding their breath to see if the cross was you know,
going to make it to a strike or if his.

Speaker 9 (01:54:44):
Shot was going in.

Speaker 17 (01:54:45):
So it was exciting and those players, you know, local
well Libby was local, being from Wellington and pre obviously
I'm pretty sure he's from Auckland. But at the time
having local boys adds so much to the team as well,
so that was inspiring for others who have also continued

(01:55:06):
that path.

Speaker 2 (01:55:07):
So the season just before Christmas, I remember this game
so vividly well against Brisbane Raw at what was Westpac
Stadium now Sky Stadium, and you came off the bench
and it was won all and you scored this absolute
cracker of a goal and the Phoenix went on to
win four to one. And from there, mate, it was
like I was calling you scoring goals every single week.

(01:55:29):
You were really prolific, you know, eleven and all that season,
including a hat trick which I want to talk about
as well. But what was going so well for you
during that season? As those goals started to pile up.

Speaker 17 (01:55:41):
I just think I got a lot of confidence from
from Marks as a coach as well. He would test me,
would push me, and training was a very very high standard.

Speaker 9 (01:55:53):
It was you know, it was ruthless at times, which
he was with certain plays.

Speaker 17 (01:55:58):
So when you're watching your teammate, you know, getting scolded
over you know, something that happened at training or whatnot,
the others kind kind of perk up and really start concentrating.
So I think it came down to certain, you know
things at training that really kept that level high. We
did a lot of shooting, a lot of games, and

(01:56:19):
then putting that into practice was the biggest thing. But
I really do feel like I was a part of
a really good team that year as well.

Speaker 9 (01:56:27):
It was exciting. We were really really fit, I felt.

Speaker 17 (01:56:31):
And yeah, with the likes of playing with Roy upfront
as well, it just made things a little bit easier
for me in that sense.

Speaker 2 (01:56:39):
Yeah, he got nineteen goals that season. I checked the
stet before I came on with you, and I mean,
what a what a season for her? Johnny Warren yellist
as well. How did the combination between the two of
you work because you didn't played together before. How did
you so quickly forge such an effective partnership.

Speaker 17 (01:56:59):
I think it was just we were just simple players, really,
Like I was never one to dribble and do step
up or do any of that.

Speaker 9 (01:57:07):
Roy wasn't really either. He might just do one to
create a yard to shoot with.

Speaker 17 (01:57:11):
But other than that, we used our strengths, which was
our pace and our shot and football is simple. I
think some people over complicated sometimes and I think we
just stuck to our guns and didn't do anything out
of the ordinary. We worked hard defensively, which created our opportunities,
and I think that's you know, Roy's best strength is

(01:57:35):
the way he worked off the ball created chances for
himself while he was so successful as a striker winning
the ball in the box. And I remember, even being
in India as teammates with him, the amount of goals
that he would assist me based on press and winning
it in the front third was outstanding from him. And

(01:57:56):
that's why he's still playing because of the way he trains,
the way his mentality is.

Speaker 5 (01:58:00):
He can be.

Speaker 17 (01:58:02):
I don't know if he's close to forty three years
old these days, but he's still he's still playing over
in India.

Speaker 9 (01:58:09):
Not at the eye level, but he's still thereabouts.

Speaker 17 (01:58:13):
So I think the simplicity of our football was probably
a reason why we connected so well. We were very
very similar players, but we also had just a natural connection,
and that's what some clubs can naturally and luckily get
sometimes if players can just naturally connect. We were friends

(01:58:35):
off the field, you know, we were friends on the
field and I think that really made it a really
good connection and partnership.

Speaker 2 (01:58:44):
Well, one of your more memorable Knights didn't feature him.
He had been sent off the previous game against Western
Sydney back end of March round twenty three. Newcastle come
to Wellington. You score in the first minute, then a
penalty after an hour, and then you've put this thing
in the top corner past Glenn Moss for your hat trick.
That goal, well, where where does that sit in amongst

(01:59:05):
all of the goals that I think?

Speaker 17 (01:59:07):
I think that would be my number one goal I've
scored in my career. It's just just how it went
in the moment of you know, scoring a hat trick
being the third goal. You know that stadium created such
a good atmosphere as well. I've scored some great goals

(01:59:27):
in might I say better atmospheres, but you know in
a Melbourne derby when I was Melbourne Heart, this Melbourne
victory that when it was Eddie had stadium before. I
think it's now Marvel potentially, I can't remember what it
might be called now, but you know when we used
to sell out that that game, it was huge as well,

(01:59:49):
so that that goal for me was quite important being
outside the box. And I even remember Holy Sale he
said he was on the bench and before I even
hit it, he goes that this is going to be
a goal like a few minutes before because he had
a feeling, goes, there's no way a strikers on two
goals and going to pass it to someone, and that

(02:00:13):
was his basis of his.

Speaker 9 (02:00:14):
Call, and he goes, yeah, it's it's going in.

Speaker 17 (02:00:17):
So you know all he's got some good instincts about
him too, which pretty cool.

Speaker 9 (02:00:23):
But yeah, there was one goal. Actually I can't actually find.

Speaker 17 (02:00:28):
Vision for it because it was so long ago as
North Queensland, Fury Verse, Gold Coast and it was in
the Gold Coast as well, so not sure if cameras
were even around that man.

Speaker 9 (02:00:41):
I definitely don't think it was HD.

Speaker 17 (02:00:44):
But yeah, look, if there was any vision of a
goal I scored at Skilled Stadium all those years ago,
that was also up there for me. So look there
was a I scored a really good header in India
as a part of a semi final win to get
us into the Grand Final one year, which is actually

(02:01:05):
against Eric Pardalou's team Bengaloo, which he doesn't like.

Speaker 9 (02:01:11):
Me bringing that up every time I see him or
speak to him.

Speaker 17 (02:01:15):
Look, there are good goals, but I think in terms
of you've got to put atmosphere moments, what the order
of the goal, I think that has to take the cake.

Speaker 9 (02:01:25):
The Phoenix against Newcastle Jets wonderful stuff.

Speaker 2 (02:01:29):
Well you had a season here six years ago. Well
and it's still fondly remembered by Yellow Fever and by
everybody associated with a football club. It's been great to
get the chance to catch up. Made all the best
for the decision making yourhead and no doubt we'll see
you around the football traps in the months and years
to come.

Speaker 17 (02:01:45):
No thanks, enjoyed my time and look forward to getting
back there one day.

Speaker 2 (02:01:49):
Yeah, I look forward to seeing you David. Thanks. Indeed,
David William's there former Phoenix play He's left Perth Glory
and is now looking for his next football club. We
wait to see where he turns up. Nine away from
three News Talks.

Speaker 14 (02:02:01):
He'd be.

Speaker 1 (02:02:03):
The good for the drag fields and and the court
on your weekends for it with Jason Vine News Talk.

Speaker 2 (02:02:10):
ZB coming up six to three. Just to quick look
at it. Tomorrow's show after midday we'll break down whatever
happens at murray Field between four and six tomorrow morning,
All Blacks v. Scotland of course for commentary here on
News Talk ZB whatever happens, we'll break it down. A
member of the All Black coaching staff will join us.
We'll get a Scottish viewpoint as well, and some some

(02:02:30):
postmatch thoughts of some of the key participants, mainly they
don't want to hear your views. So whatever plays out
tomorrow morning, let you and I discuss it and dissect
it tomorrow. We'll have other bits and pieces on the
show as well, but mainly the rugby to get us
underway anyway. From midday tomorrow, Tim Beverage on the radio
after three with the Weekend Collective. Thanks for listening in
Huge thanks to Andy McDonald for producing a such a

(02:02:53):
wide and varied show as always.

Speaker 29 (02:02:55):
What's our exitcisement varied as all where after the sad
news obviously this week that former drag and guitarist Robert
Taylor diede. I couldn't couldn't not play play my favorite
Waggons song, rain to finish a shot.

Speaker 2 (02:03:09):
Nice one night say tomorrow five to threeight some beaverite next?

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