November 8, 2025 • 14 mins
The first Tairāwhiti rugby stars to grace the world stage emerged with the 1924 Invincibles.
It's been over 100 years since the 1924-1925 All Blacks, including fullback Geoge Nepia and halfback Jimmy Mill, were feted as all-conquering warriors after the team sailed into Wellington.
Performance coach Owen Eastwood is looking back on this piece of history as part of a new podcast - and he joined Piney to discuss further.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine
from Newstalk zedb.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Wood is a leading performance coach who's worked with the
England football team, the South African cricket team, the British
Olympic team, and the command group at NATO. He's author
of the best selling book Belonging, and has recently completed
a nine part podcast series on the nineteen twenty four
All Blacks Forever ohen As the Invincibles. They left Wellington
(00:33):
by ship on the twenty ninth of July nineteen twenty four,
returning two hundred and thirty two days later on March seventeen,
nineteen twenty five, during which time they played thirty two
games without defeat. The podcast series tells the story of
this iconic rugby team, but also extracts lessons about sheed identity,
team culture and leadership. In each episode, Owen Eastwood is
(00:56):
joined by a guest to navigate the events that unfolded
one hundred years ago and to provide insights that have
modern day significance. Those guests include Dan Carteraron Reed and
Wayne Smith, as well as Black Caps legend Kane Williamson
and Golfer Luke Donald Owen Eastwood is with us.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Owen.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
How did the idea for this podcast series come about?
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Well, I've always loved history. It's always been a bit
of an interest in mine. And just the anniversary of
the First World War, actually I was curious my old school,
Southland Boys High School, and in Icago, I was curious
to learn a bit more about who of our old
boys fought in the war and some of those stories.
And I came across one Andrew White, who was known
(01:39):
as Sun White, and I recognized the name because I
knew that he was also one of our All Blacks.
So we had this character who fought in the First
World War, actually fought in Gallipoli the psalm Passiondale battler
messinepro quite an epic story, and then came home with
shell shock and he was extremely disabled. And then this
(02:03):
miraculous rise where he then got into rugby and nineteen
nineteen and two years later was an All Black. So
I thought I need to learn a lot more about that,
so I got into that. So about the same time
I got to know Dan Carter and his great uncle
Bill Dally was a member of that team, and we
both had this connection around this is a story that's
(02:23):
really not that well known, and why don't we exploring together.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
So when we think about the nineteen twenty four Invincibles,
I think we all know the name, and I've given
the stats, thirty two games without losing any of them,
and all of that time away from home. But what
were the hallmarks of that nineteen twenty four to twenty five.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Side where Wayne Smith is another guest on and he
identified that they were so innovative and that is the
DNA that has continued to this day. And he also
spoke but when he was an All Black coach, he
was very conscious of the legacy they left, and you know,
the identity framework really about what it is to be
a great all Black team, and they try and try
to replicate it. Dan Carter made the same point is
(03:07):
this isn't an ancient story. This reverberates right through today.
A lot of the rituals were created by the Invincibles,
and in fact, the play leadership group. The first one
was the Originals. They created that, and people like Dan
and Karen Reid and Richard mccare, etc. They were part
of it in their own time. So some of those
guys really enjoyed just finding the origin story around some
(03:31):
of the bull back experiences they had.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
But we're talking one hundred years ago and the world
has changed a lot in the last ten years, let
alone the last one hundred years. So how much of
what was a key to their success in nineteen twenty
four is transferable to a modern day sports team or
a modern day sports person.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
You know, I'm struggling to think of what isn't transferable. Introduction.
I'm a performance coach, I'm based up here in the
Cotswalls in England. I worked with Chelsea Football Clubs and
I work with European R Cup team and I've worked
with them over the last two competitions and everything that
the Invincibles represent are things that we apply today without
(04:17):
a shadow of doubt. And what's very interesting to me
is they were able to simplify it in a way
where probably today we've over complicated a few things. There.
They didn't have twenty people in the coaching staff, they
didn't even actually have a coach, poor to the captain
and the player leadership group round the team. So I
think a lot of the things that really make a
(04:38):
difference in performance. It's a really lovely case study because
it's so pure. You know, there's not all this sort
of complexity. It was just a group of guys, very
diverse brand together, played pretty terribly in the pre tour games,
lost to Auckland, lost in Sydney. Nobody was really thinking
that they're going to do particularly well and they just
really had to figure this out themselves, and they did
(05:00):
it in an innovative way, but actually very beautiful way
in my view.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
So tell us some of the things in particular, Ohen
that they did so well, but also so simply.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Now, one of the things was a captain was crazy.
But the captain, Cliff Porter, was appointed the night before,
so they it was chaotic on the administration side. You know,
it won't be making any comics down on the rugby,
but back in only twenty four, she's pretty chaotic. They changed,
they decided to change the skip of the day before.
So what that led to those Cliff Porter was a
very inexperienced all black twenty four year old. He decided that, like,
(05:36):
I'm not going to be able to do this some
way own. I've got some real veterans in this team.
So he cred this player leadership group. So that was
one innovation. On the boat trip of thirty nine days
across they did something which today would be regarded as
extremely modern then. That is they every afternoon they sat
in a circle and he asked each player just to
describe the fundamental to their position and what you need
(05:57):
to do to really, you know, play at a high level.
And George Nepier and others wrote about how scary it
really was in that circle to talk like that. Some
of them, like George, hadn't played much fallback, but they
What happened was after they finished speaking, the other players
were invited to help them and add so Mark Nichols,
the great player from Wellington, he would say to George, look,
(06:19):
I think you've missed out a couple of things here
in terms of fallback play. And what happened is they
created in modern language of psychological safety where they learned
how to challenge each other and have a bit of
a debate without people getting their feelings hurt. And another example,
you know on your question is they didn't start the
tour particularly well. They were just winning. So Cliff Porter
(06:41):
and the leadership group brought in an intervention, which was
they brought in a formal review after the game. So
straight after the game finished in the dressing room, they
had an hour and that was led by the non
players who were sitting in the stand watching the game
and they would come in. And even during this podcast series,
I've had some professional teams approach me and say we're
(07:02):
bringing in that into our practice, like we're getting the
non playing to lead the review of the game. So
this has not been done before any of this. As
well as up to that point, it was traditional that
players would opt in are out of training on tour.
It was called a Rafferty rules, and again Cliff and
the leadership group said, that's just not going to get
(07:24):
the job done. You it's mandatory to train unless you
were unfit. So there's just multiple examples of how they
really created what we would identify as a professional type
of setup.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
You mentioned before that modern day coaching setups can sometimes
overcomplicate things. What do you think that is?
Speaker 3 (07:44):
So that's such a good question. I think when rugby
went professional and other sports, maybe they didn't really know,
they didn't have any model for what they wanted to do,
so they looked at other sports, probably like the NFL,
where you've got like a whole sideline full of coaches
and people. I'm not sure because you know, I've worked
in rugby as well.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
And.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
I think what happens is you get the silos. You
got a lot of people who have got a domain
over the you know, maybe the line out, the scrum,
the back, the attack, whatever, and that can become an
incredible challenge. To actually create one voice. You need a
very skilled head coach, basically like a chief executive to
bring it all together. Sometimes that doesn't exist. Sometimes the
head coach actually is the most technical of all of them.
(08:26):
They're not really someone who is well skilled to do this.
You know, the great coaches are able to pull that off,
but a lot of coaches struggle with it and don't
actually enjoy that part of it. They just enjoy the
technical and technical side of it. So I think I
love kids rugby. My favorite rugby's first fifteen rugby still
(08:48):
in New Zealand. I watched every single game ofself in
boys high school. They send the games up here for
me to ever look at, and you know they do
it with a couple of coaches and old school way.
You know, they won the national championship two years ago
and got in the top four a game this year,
So yeah, that speaks for itself.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Understand obviously the rugby guests you have on and you
mentioned Dan Carter, I mentioned Karen Reid, Wayne Smith, but
what sort of input did you get from the likes
of Cain Williamson and golfer Luke Donald?
Speaker 3 (09:18):
And I brought Luken. I worked with him on the
Ryder Cup and I wanted him to comment on something specific,
which was Cliff Porter was appointed the night before as
the captain, which is obviously crazy fact, but Luke Donald
was appointed Wryer Cup captain a year late. So the
(09:39):
original captain for Rome was Hendrick Stenson who then went
to live So they were scrambling European tour to what
the hell are we going to do? Luke was invited
very very late. The Americans had already had a year
of preparation before him, so Luke was in late. He
asked me to come and help him, and you know,
we didn't have a lot of time and it was
(10:00):
so cliff Port had less time, but Luke didn't have
a lot of time. So Luke was able to come
in and say when you don't I have a lot
of time. As a leader, these are the priorities, so
they had great feedback on that one. He also loves
rugby and loves all black, so he was happy just
to get involved in that. Pippa Grange was the first
psychologist with England football team. She really transformed them under
(10:21):
Garra Southgate. She's not a big rugby fan, but she
absolutely loves the Invincibles and principally because of the culture
in the very compassionate leadership of Cliff Porter, she finds
that really inspiring. And Cain, oh Caine, there was a
He's just a good bugger that'd be perfectly honest, and
I really love him. He doesn't really talk to the
(10:42):
media a lot, I don't think so I thought as
a mate having a conversation with him might be quite
nice for the audience just to hear him talk very naturally.
But the specific reason was the Invincibles. It didn't have
a written cultural code, so they I would say, they
had probably the most inspirational team culture have ever seen,
(11:05):
and none of it was put into And you know,
I bet you know as well. There's a lot of
corporates out there who have absolute documents full of their
culture code and don't live it, while the Invincibles were
the opposite. They lived it, but they didn't write it down. Now,
when I was first met Caan about four or five
years ago and he's on cricket, we're just asking me
and him to explore should we put the black Caps
(11:26):
culture into writing because it hadn't been captured either, and
he had a very experienced team he was leading, and
we've basically came to a conclusion that, look, it's really
powerful the way it is, and if you put it
in writing and ask people to read it, it could lose
a bit of potency. So he was great to come
in and they need to have this written down, and
so that was part of it. But we had just
a good general chat. He enjoyed them and he knew
(11:47):
COO a lot about it.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
From a wider point of view. And how common is
it for modern day sports organizations to look back like
one hundred years like this to inform their decision making
in the modern day? Is that common in your experience
or unco.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Jason, I'm so pleased you ask that question because I
think just about every organization will say, we're really proud
of our heritage, We've got a great history, but the
feedback I got last year from people in New Zealand
was that the Invincibles didn't seem to be really as
deeply celebrated as some of the families of those players
really anticipated would happen. It seemed a little bit light.
(12:31):
That was part of the motivation why we actually got
off our backsides and created the podcast now, and that is,
you know, I don't think we should be running around saying, oh, yeah,
the Invincibles and the Originals and all that, so we
don't really know the story. So that's part of it.
You know. Secondly, I don't know whether the all Blacks
are listening to this or not. I've got no idea,
but a lot of their experience they're having as all
(12:52):
Blacks now comes back to nineteen twenty four or nineteen
o five, and I think you're missing a beat here
if you don't understand why things are done in a
certain way and why and how these people who had
the same challenge effectively as them, how they navigated that
same challenge. And you know, people like Karen Dan Wayne Smith,
they just think this is so powerful to know your
(13:13):
heritage story properly. And I'd invite people from all communities
and all teams to if you've got good stories, capture
the bloody things. And you know, I just didn't amateur
job of this, but just capture it. Don't let it
go when people pass on or whatever. You know, if
you won the nineteen eighty five Bay Plenty Championship and
(13:33):
it was a good bloody story, then call it. Get
it down there.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
It's a fantastic piece of work. As usual by you
are in the Invincible podcast Timeless Lessons in Culture and Leadership,
So that one's in the box, mate, what's next for you?
Speaker 3 (13:48):
A good question. I'm actually literally speaking with Luke Donald
in thirty Minutes from the Horse's Mouth. I'm interested where
he's decided where he wants to have another crack and
have a third Rider Cup as captain. So a little
bit awaiting that one. Chelsea Football Club, I'm sort of
halfway through my engagement with. We're tracking in the right direction.
(14:08):
We've moved up from twelfth to fourth, and I've got
a few injuries at the moment, but i enjoy working
in the Premier League and I'd love to do another
podcast in a couple of years. I'm very intrigued by
a lot of incredible sports stories that all happened in
nineteen fifty nine, so keep an eye up for that one,
certainly well.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Always a pleasure talking to you, Owen. Thanks for joining
us across New Zealand, and I know a lot of
our listeners will be rushing to their podcast feed to
add your one to their to their list of listening.
Thanks for joining us today.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Thank you mate, Thank you, Owen.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Owen Eastward there key week leading performance coach and producer
of the nine part podcast The Invincibles The Lessons We
Can Learn from the nineteen twenty four All Blacks.
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
Wood is a leading performance coach who's worked with the
England football team, the South African cricket team, the British
Olympic team, and the command group at NATO. He's author
of the best selling book Belonging, and has recently completed
a nine part podcast series on the nineteen twenty four
All Blacks Forever ohen As the Invincibles. They left Wellington
(00:33):
by ship on the twenty ninth of July nineteen twenty four,
returning two hundred and thirty two days later on March seventeen,
nineteen twenty five, during which time they played thirty two
games without defeat. The podcast series tells the story of
this iconic rugby team, but also extracts lessons about sheed identity,
team culture and leadership. In each episode, Owen Eastwood is
(00:56):
joined by a guest to navigate the events that unfolded
one hundred years ago and to provide insights that have
modern day significance. Those guests include Dan Carteraron Reed and
Wayne Smith, as well as Black Caps legend Kane Williamson
and Golfer Luke Donald Owen Eastwood is with us.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Owen.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
How did the idea for this podcast series come about?
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Well, I've always loved history. It's always been a bit
of an interest in mine. And just the anniversary of
the First World War, actually I was curious my old school,
Southland Boys High School, and in Icago, I was curious
to learn a bit more about who of our old
boys fought in the war and some of those stories.
And I came across one Andrew White, who was known
(01:39):
as Sun White, and I recognized the name because I
knew that he was also one of our All Blacks.
So we had this character who fought in the First
World War, actually fought in Gallipoli the psalm Passiondale battler
messinepro quite an epic story, and then came home with
shell shock and he was extremely disabled. And then this
(02:03):
miraculous rise where he then got into rugby and nineteen
nineteen and two years later was an All Black. So
I thought I need to learn a lot more about that,
so I got into that. So about the same time
I got to know Dan Carter and his great uncle
Bill Dally was a member of that team, and we
both had this connection around this is a story that's
(02:23):
really not that well known, and why don't we exploring together.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
So when we think about the nineteen twenty four Invincibles,
I think we all know the name, and I've given
the stats, thirty two games without losing any of them,
and all of that time away from home. But what
were the hallmarks of that nineteen twenty four to twenty five.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Side where Wayne Smith is another guest on and he
identified that they were so innovative and that is the
DNA that has continued to this day. And he also
spoke but when he was an All Black coach, he
was very conscious of the legacy they left, and you know,
the identity framework really about what it is to be
a great all Black team, and they try and try
to replicate it. Dan Carter made the same point is
(03:07):
this isn't an ancient story. This reverberates right through today.
A lot of the rituals were created by the Invincibles,
and in fact, the play leadership group. The first one
was the Originals. They created that, and people like Dan
and Karen Reid and Richard mccare, etc. They were part
of it in their own time. So some of those
guys really enjoyed just finding the origin story around some
(03:31):
of the bull back experiences they had.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
But we're talking one hundred years ago and the world
has changed a lot in the last ten years, let
alone the last one hundred years. So how much of
what was a key to their success in nineteen twenty
four is transferable to a modern day sports team or
a modern day sports person.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
You know, I'm struggling to think of what isn't transferable. Introduction.
I'm a performance coach, I'm based up here in the
Cotswalls in England. I worked with Chelsea Football Clubs and
I work with European R Cup team and I've worked
with them over the last two competitions and everything that
the Invincibles represent are things that we apply today without
(04:17):
a shadow of doubt. And what's very interesting to me
is they were able to simplify it in a way
where probably today we've over complicated a few things. There.
They didn't have twenty people in the coaching staff, they
didn't even actually have a coach, poor to the captain
and the player leadership group round the team. So I
think a lot of the things that really make a
(04:38):
difference in performance. It's a really lovely case study because
it's so pure. You know, there's not all this sort
of complexity. It was just a group of guys, very
diverse brand together, played pretty terribly in the pre tour games,
lost to Auckland, lost in Sydney. Nobody was really thinking
that they're going to do particularly well and they just
really had to figure this out themselves, and they did
(05:00):
it in an innovative way, but actually very beautiful way
in my view.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
So tell us some of the things in particular, Ohen
that they did so well, but also so simply.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Now, one of the things was a captain was crazy.
But the captain, Cliff Porter, was appointed the night before,
so they it was chaotic on the administration side. You know,
it won't be making any comics down on the rugby,
but back in only twenty four, she's pretty chaotic. They changed,
they decided to change the skip of the day before.
So what that led to those Cliff Porter was a
very inexperienced all black twenty four year old. He decided that, like,
(05:36):
I'm not going to be able to do this some
way own. I've got some real veterans in this team.
So he cred this player leadership group. So that was
one innovation. On the boat trip of thirty nine days
across they did something which today would be regarded as
extremely modern then. That is they every afternoon they sat
in a circle and he asked each player just to
describe the fundamental to their position and what you need
(05:57):
to do to really, you know, play at a high level.
And George Nepier and others wrote about how scary it
really was in that circle to talk like that. Some
of them, like George, hadn't played much fallback, but they
What happened was after they finished speaking, the other players
were invited to help them and add so Mark Nichols,
the great player from Wellington, he would say to George, look,
(06:19):
I think you've missed out a couple of things here
in terms of fallback play. And what happened is they
created in modern language of psychological safety where they learned
how to challenge each other and have a bit of
a debate without people getting their feelings hurt. And another example,
you know on your question is they didn't start the
tour particularly well. They were just winning. So Cliff Porter
(06:41):
and the leadership group brought in an intervention, which was
they brought in a formal review after the game. So
straight after the game finished in the dressing room, they
had an hour and that was led by the non
players who were sitting in the stand watching the game
and they would come in. And even during this podcast series,
I've had some professional teams approach me and say we're
(07:02):
bringing in that into our practice, like we're getting the
non playing to lead the review of the game. So
this has not been done before any of this. As
well as up to that point, it was traditional that
players would opt in are out of training on tour.
It was called a Rafferty rules, and again Cliff and
the leadership group said, that's just not going to get
(07:24):
the job done. You it's mandatory to train unless you
were unfit. So there's just multiple examples of how they
really created what we would identify as a professional type
of setup.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
You mentioned before that modern day coaching setups can sometimes
overcomplicate things. What do you think that is?
Speaker 3 (07:44):
So that's such a good question. I think when rugby
went professional and other sports, maybe they didn't really know,
they didn't have any model for what they wanted to do,
so they looked at other sports, probably like the NFL,
where you've got like a whole sideline full of coaches
and people. I'm not sure because you know, I've worked
in rugby as well.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
And.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
I think what happens is you get the silos. You
got a lot of people who have got a domain
over the you know, maybe the line out, the scrum,
the back, the attack, whatever, and that can become an
incredible challenge. To actually create one voice. You need a
very skilled head coach, basically like a chief executive to
bring it all together. Sometimes that doesn't exist. Sometimes the
head coach actually is the most technical of all of them.
(08:26):
They're not really someone who is well skilled to do this.
You know, the great coaches are able to pull that off,
but a lot of coaches struggle with it and don't
actually enjoy that part of it. They just enjoy the
technical and technical side of it. So I think I
love kids rugby. My favorite rugby's first fifteen rugby still
(08:48):
in New Zealand. I watched every single game ofself in
boys high school. They send the games up here for
me to ever look at, and you know they do
it with a couple of coaches and old school way.
You know, they won the national championship two years ago
and got in the top four a game this year,
So yeah, that speaks for itself.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Understand obviously the rugby guests you have on and you
mentioned Dan Carter, I mentioned Karen Reid, Wayne Smith, but
what sort of input did you get from the likes
of Cain Williamson and golfer Luke Donald?
Speaker 3 (09:18):
And I brought Luken. I worked with him on the
Ryder Cup and I wanted him to comment on something specific,
which was Cliff Porter was appointed the night before as
the captain, which is obviously crazy fact, but Luke Donald
was appointed Wryer Cup captain a year late. So the
(09:39):
original captain for Rome was Hendrick Stenson who then went
to live So they were scrambling European tour to what
the hell are we going to do? Luke was invited
very very late. The Americans had already had a year
of preparation before him, so Luke was in late. He
asked me to come and help him, and you know,
we didn't have a lot of time and it was
(10:00):
so cliff Port had less time, but Luke didn't have
a lot of time. So Luke was able to come
in and say when you don't I have a lot
of time. As a leader, these are the priorities, so
they had great feedback on that one. He also loves
rugby and loves all black, so he was happy just
to get involved in that. Pippa Grange was the first
psychologist with England football team. She really transformed them under
(10:21):
Garra Southgate. She's not a big rugby fan, but she
absolutely loves the Invincibles and principally because of the culture
in the very compassionate leadership of Cliff Porter, she finds
that really inspiring. And Cain, oh Caine, there was a
He's just a good bugger that'd be perfectly honest, and
I really love him. He doesn't really talk to the
(10:42):
media a lot, I don't think so I thought as
a mate having a conversation with him might be quite
nice for the audience just to hear him talk very naturally.
But the specific reason was the Invincibles. It didn't have
a written cultural code, so they I would say, they
had probably the most inspirational team culture have ever seen,
(11:05):
and none of it was put into And you know,
I bet you know as well. There's a lot of
corporates out there who have absolute documents full of their
culture code and don't live it, while the Invincibles were
the opposite. They lived it, but they didn't write it down. Now,
when I was first met Caan about four or five
years ago and he's on cricket, we're just asking me
and him to explore should we put the black Caps
(11:26):
culture into writing because it hadn't been captured either, and
he had a very experienced team he was leading, and
we've basically came to a conclusion that, look, it's really
powerful the way it is, and if you put it
in writing and ask people to read it, it could lose
a bit of potency. So he was great to come
in and they need to have this written down, and
so that was part of it. But we had just
a good general chat. He enjoyed them and he knew
(11:47):
COO a lot about it.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
From a wider point of view. And how common is
it for modern day sports organizations to look back like
one hundred years like this to inform their decision making
in the modern day? Is that common in your experience
or unco.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Jason, I'm so pleased you ask that question because I
think just about every organization will say, we're really proud
of our heritage, We've got a great history, but the
feedback I got last year from people in New Zealand
was that the Invincibles didn't seem to be really as
deeply celebrated as some of the families of those players
really anticipated would happen. It seemed a little bit light.
(12:31):
That was part of the motivation why we actually got
off our backsides and created the podcast now, and that is,
you know, I don't think we should be running around saying, oh, yeah,
the Invincibles and the Originals and all that, so we
don't really know the story. So that's part of it.
You know. Secondly, I don't know whether the all Blacks
are listening to this or not. I've got no idea,
but a lot of their experience they're having as all
(12:52):
Blacks now comes back to nineteen twenty four or nineteen
o five, and I think you're missing a beat here
if you don't understand why things are done in a
certain way and why and how these people who had
the same challenge effectively as them, how they navigated that
same challenge. And you know, people like Karen Dan Wayne Smith,
they just think this is so powerful to know your
(13:13):
heritage story properly. And I'd invite people from all communities
and all teams to if you've got good stories, capture
the bloody things. And you know, I just didn't amateur
job of this, but just capture it. Don't let it
go when people pass on or whatever. You know, if
you won the nineteen eighty five Bay Plenty Championship and
(13:33):
it was a good bloody story, then call it. Get
it down there.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
It's a fantastic piece of work. As usual by you
are in the Invincible podcast Timeless Lessons in Culture and Leadership,
So that one's in the box, mate, what's next for you?
Speaker 3 (13:48):
A good question. I'm actually literally speaking with Luke Donald
in thirty Minutes from the Horse's Mouth. I'm interested where
he's decided where he wants to have another crack and
have a third Rider Cup as captain. So a little
bit awaiting that one. Chelsea Football Club, I'm sort of
halfway through my engagement with. We're tracking in the right direction.
(14:08):
We've moved up from twelfth to fourth, and I've got
a few injuries at the moment, but i enjoy working
in the Premier League and I'd love to do another
podcast in a couple of years. I'm very intrigued by
a lot of incredible sports stories that all happened in
nineteen fifty nine, so keep an eye up for that one,
certainly well.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Always a pleasure talking to you, Owen. Thanks for joining
us across New Zealand, and I know a lot of
our listeners will be rushing to their podcast feed to
add your one to their to their list of listening.
Thanks for joining us today.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Thank you mate, Thank you, Owen.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Owen Eastward there key week leading performance coach and producer
of the nine part podcast The Invincibles The Lessons We
Can Learn from the nineteen twenty four All Blacks.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
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