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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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New Zealand have won the second cricket Test in Wellington,
beating the West Indies by nine wickets before tea on
the third day.
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Bounce up high.
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In the air.
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Who's underneath it?
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Man coming in from fine leg It.
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Takes the catch. Duffy heads five.
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The catch is taken by Mickey Ray and what a.
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Game he's had.
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West INDI's pulled out for one hundred and twenty eight
and New Zealand's need just fifty six runs to win
this Test match and they got those runs to well.
They've got their in ten overs the loss of just
Tom Latham's wicket. Jacob Duffy Man of the match for
his six wickets, including five for thirty eight in the
second innings, just his third Test match, his second five
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wicket bag. Jacob Duffy now has fourteen wickets in the
first two Tests of the series at an average of
just sixteen point two to one, so the black Caps
take a one nill lead. The third and final Test
starts on Thursday at Bay Oval in Mount Monganui. Kevin
Larsen eight Test matches and one hundred and twenty one
odies for New Zealand. He represented Wellington for fifteen summers.
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He was black Caps selection manager from twenty fifteen to
twenty twenty three, and as of last month he's back
for a second stint as black Caps selector. Welcome back
to the role, Gavin, Welcome back to the radio. Good
to jet to you again.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Yeah, good too. Good to hear from your piney.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Much as I'm sure many cricket fans would have enjoyed
a day or two in the sunshine on the bank
at the base and this weekend, how pleased were you
with the side's performance to win that second Test so convincingly?
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Yeah, look absolutely thrilled because that was hard grafts down
at Hagley in that first test on on actually sitting
here now finally watching can it retake on Auckland and
in a funker shell game and they're here to say
there's a few less people sitting on the bank, but
again it's all about you know, starting to blood some
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of these newer guys and our domestic game and there's
some good talent on show. But that was really hard
Draft in that first Test. So to bounce back so
well at the basin and as you've alluded to emrav
Let and bowling wise by you know, Jacob Duffy, it
was Yeah, I found it quite compelling and great.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Viewing given the resistance the West, and he showed in
the second in things to draw that first Test in
christ Jurge, did you have any concern that a very
inexperienced bowling attack at Test level might struggle to get
you twenty wickets in Wellington?
Speaker 3 (02:44):
I'm not sure i'd use the word concerns, but you know,
you are fully aware that you've got a group of
bowlers that haven't got a lot of Test caps under
their bill. I think what we have shown though tiny
in the recent past, and I'm probably going back, you know,
four or five years now, is it when we have
blooded in players, not just pace bowlers. You know they've
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actually looked comfortable, reasonably quit on the big stage. Now,
that's I think a really good reflection of our system,
our high performance pathway. And in test cricket, you know
what plank how planket shield plays such an important role,
so you know, yeah, a little bit nervy you know,
watching you know dust, you know, emerging and and Michael
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Ray get an opportunity, and you know we're brought in
Christian Clark, who you know, who knows he might get
a you know, a chance up at the Mount and
and bringing Leart taking it back, you know, after a
couple of years out. But you know, to see them
perform so well and to actually look the part, you know,
up on the big stage, it was extremely pleasing.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
It's a couple of guys there. I want to ask
you about Jacob Duffy is the first he played a
lot of domestra cricket before he got his chance at
international level first and white ball and now in red
ball cricket. Can you talk a little bit about his
development as an international bowler across the formats.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Now, I love every minute of it. So when I
was selecting previously, you know, Duft was you know, sat
you know, reasonably high on our on our succession plan
or our depth chart as we call it. But of course,
as we all know, you know, we had guys you
know with names such as Chaudy, Bolt, Wagner, you know,
Matt Henry even didn't get you know, hell of a
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lot of game time. But now he leads our attack
when he's you know when he's certain, and Jacob Duffy
sort of sat him behind it, you know, and you
know in that next tier of bowlers, and you know,
we always knew that there was something special about us.
So it was just a matter of, you know, when
the time emerged that you know he would then you
grab his opportunity. And he's done that with both hands.
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And I think the key point really Piney is that
you know, the number of games and the number of
overs that he's bowld for Otago over the years. It's
really carried having good skit for when he, you know,
finally has got this opportunity. And I don't think you
can underestimate, you know how how important that is.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Yeah, over three hundred wickets for Otago and first class cricket.
So yeah, he'd built up a big body of work.
He was introduced into the white ball sides, you know,
a couple of three seasons ago, but only got his
test abut earlier this year. Do you believe that white
ball international cricket can in some ways prepare you for
red ball international cricket?
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Yes, it can. I think it can work either way.
You know, Test, you know, down to T twenty or
the opposite, and you know Dutch has showing, didn't he know,
he got given a crack in white ball cricket And
you know it's isn't it just fantastic when you look
at the icy Ic c rankings and you see Jake
you know, sitting at the top of the tree and
T twenty crickets and you know, I don't think there's
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too many cricket fans or you know guys in the media,
you know, guys at my sort of level that you know,
would have looked at that and gone wow. You know,
Jacob Duffy top of the tree in twenty twenty five.
So it's a great story. And again it's a testament
to you know, how smart he is and that body
of work that you've just mentioned. You know, he's a
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very clever bowler. He's a thinking bowler and you know
he's the leader of our attack at the moment, and
you know, it's very very special.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
So with Matt Henry and Nathan Smith both ruled out
for the second Test, Michael Ray came in and took
six wickets on debut. Charged in, looked very enthusiastic and
looked like he loved every moment of it when you
were deciding who to bring in what swung things in
Michael Ray's favor.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
When you're balancing a squad pioneer, you're you're looking for
You're looking for pace, outright pace, You're looking for swing.
You're looking for the ability to nip the ball around
at at a reasonable pace, like you know, like like
a Matt Henry does. So you want a you want
the right blend. And of course you're factoring in the conditions,
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you know, thinking about okay, first test was at Hagley
saying it at the base, and third at Mount mong
and Nui. You know, what are we going to be
presented wise worth wise in terms of the conditions and
how do we then you know, pull our attack together.
So when we were looking for someone to you know,
we knew Michael cabowl into the into the breeze at
the base and if necessary, you know, all fast bowlers
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want the wind behind them, of course, but we knew
that he could punch up into it and do a
do a role. He hits the deck hard and he's
full of energy. He's a he's a really special guy razor.
You know, he's well known around the domestic scene. And
you know he's he's he's a champion, and I know
every domestic cricketer you know would have been absolutely thrilled that,
you know, he got the nod and then to see
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him turn around and put those two performances on the
board again, I think a fantastic testament to our to
our system.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Yeah, and just on that GeV. Given the way that
he bowled and is on his debut, the way Jacob
Duffy has bowled early in his Test career, does it
give you faith that Plunket Hill Cricket can and is
preparing our applies for Test cricket.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Oh one. And I've always said that, you know, I
think the quality is very very good and we're where
you know, we are blooding a lot of very good
young players. I've been away for a couple of years
finey over in Warwickshire, and I've come back and it
was I was three years away end to end and
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I've come back and reconnected and enjoyed every minute of
my first month back. And one of the main reasons
is because I've connected back into domestic cricket. And you know,
each major association had sixteen contracted players, so there's probably
four or five that you know have been blooded in
by them since I've been away, and it's been has
been a real pleasure watching some of these young players,
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and most of them are young, and they're in they're
early to mid twenties, you know, just proving straight away
that you know they've got they've got the goods. And
so I'm I'm very confident that we're you know, we're
continuing to build the depth and as as the conveyor
belt pushes through and up into the sharp end of
you know, Test match and ODIs and T twenty Internationals,
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you know that we've got players ready to go.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
So you go to the mountain now to to win
the series or you know, attempt to win the series.
No Matt Henry, no Nathan Smith now, no Blair Tickner either,
which was so unfortunate after the way he bowled in
the first innings. So let's leave Jacob Duffy, Zac Folks,
Michael Ray plus as you mentioned before, uncapped Northern bowler
Christian Clark. I did note that Kyle Jamison played plunket
shield for Canterbury last week. He got through nearly thirty overs.
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What's the situation with his red bull return, might he
be a chance to play at bay Oval.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Look, that's a conversation that will continue through today. I
just I'll revert back to sort of what the big
plan has been with Kyle. And look, he's such an
important bowler for us moving forward, and we've got to
be thinking long term. So when I got back, I
got brought across as you know, his repack rehab plan,
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his return to play plans as we call it, and
that and that was a prudent and it was probably
you know, edging towards the conservative side, but that's that
was intentional. That's with Kyle being you know, obviously a
central part of the planning around that. So that would
turn to play in red ball up at Napier and
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I was up there watching Kyle. That was a part
of the plan. And then for him to not play
this game down at Hagley for Canterbury was also part
of the plan. So he continues his strength and conditioning block.
He is very very close Piney, And you know that's
the I can understand the frustration for fans and the media,
and I guess for us and for Kyle himself. But
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we've got to keep aware and be cognizant of that
big picture, you know, statingly obvious. The last thing we
would want would be for Kyle to come back just
a little bit early, and you know, we do not
want to be back to square one. We've got a
really important three match Test series over in England in
the middle of the year and as you could imagine,
you know, one Cole Jamieson is very simpral to our
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planning around that.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Absolutely, just before you go, talked a lot about Saint Bawlers,
but I just want to ask about the wicket keeping
situation as well. Tom blundeleporter HAMI in christ Church couldn't
play in Wellington, although as I understand, was pretty close
and could well be available again for bay Oval. It
opened the day I opened the way. Rather for Mitch
hate to de boo. He did some impressively behind the stumps,
made sixty with the bat. How do you manage the
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return of Tom Blundell with Mitch Hayes's integration into the
Black Cap side, because I think we can probably you know,
say that he'll play a lot of cricket for New
Zealand and the years ahead.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Mitch hay I one hundred percent agree with that and
that's you know, in probability read an white ball. I
mean he's a he's a fine young cricketer who's got
a big future in front of him. And everything he
did at the base and Reserve to me, you know,
it spoke to his class. You know, his innings was
a very very good one and that was that was
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in trying conditions. You know, the base and Reserve picture
had quickened up on day two and you know I
was doing it through the year and off the picture
of it. And they bowld very well the West Indies
and that Mitch showed, you know, really good determination and
commitment with his batting. So look, he's got he's got
a big future read Tommy. You know he's our incumbent
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woket keeper at Test match level and will remain so. Yes,
he's been a bit light on runs, but we also
believe that he's a class player. And you know we'd
like that old saying Piney. You know, formers ten temporary
classes permanent. We know now that we've got a match,
Hay sitting nicely right and behind Tommy. Tommy's gonna be
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back on the park. He will need to provide the
performances and again we've got you know, a lot of
cricket coming up that we'll be keeping an eye on,
Tommy and on Mitchy.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Great to get your insight, Gav. Great to have you
back on the radio mate, and back in this role.
Look forward to catching up again across the summer.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Thanks Pine. Awesome to chat Yep, good.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
To chat to you too. Make Kevin Larson uh Hit
selecta selection manager. I think black Cap selector is probably
what we can call him. I'm not sure what his
official title is, but he's the one in charge of
selecting the black Caps.
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