Full Show Podcast: 13 December 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 2 (00:30):
Hello, Jonna Good, Afternoon ed Welcome in to the Saturday
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Happy sixty eighth birthday to one of the truly great
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never captained a losing All Blacks team. Happy sixty eighth,
Sir Buck. Happy thirty fifth to former black Caps all

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around a Cory Anderson. He played over one hundred games
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thirty six ball century and an ODI against the West
Indies and Queenstown on New Year's Day twenty fourteen. Happy Birthday,
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You're enjoying some sunshine. We do appreciate you spending some
time with us this afternoon as well. New Zealand have
beaten the West Indies by nine wickets well inside three
days in the second cricket Test at the Basin Reserve.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
Okay, never want to hurry anything.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
Willy hurry this and he's pumped out.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
What's that's before?

Speaker 2 (01:37):
And dallion came Williamson hitting the winning runs yesterday. The
black Caps take a one and will lead in the
three Test series. The final Test starts Thursday at Mount Monganui.
New Zealand selector Gavin Larsen is with us shortly then.
I'm very keen for your thoughts on a couple of
Black Caps questions, mainly around selection, but also the debt
that is building in our national sides, particularly in our

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seam bowling stocks. So a cricket our for you to
start other matters around today. A couple of it's are
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Speaker 1 (04:49):
From breaking down the Hail Mary's and the empy Fields
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Speaker 2 (04:58):
New Zealand have won the second cricket Test in Wellington,
beating the West Indies by nine wickets before t on
the third day.

Speaker 4 (05:06):
Bouncer high in the air, who's underneath it?

Speaker 5 (05:09):
Man coming in from fine leg? It takes a catch.

Speaker 4 (05:13):
Duffy heads five.

Speaker 5 (05:15):
The catch is taken by Nickey Ray and what a
game he's had.

Speaker 4 (05:19):
West Indy's called.

Speaker 5 (05:20):
Out for one hundred and twenty.

Speaker 6 (05:21):
Eight and New Zealand's need just fifty six runs to win.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
This Test match and they got those runs to well,
They've got their in ten overs the loss of just
Tom Latham's wicket. Jacob Duffy Man of the match for
his six wickets, including five to thirty eight in the
second innings, just his third Test match, his second five
wicket bag. Jacob Duffy now has fourteen wickets in the
first two Tests of the series at an average of

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just sixteen point two to one, so the black Caps
take a one nill lead. The third and final Test
starts on Thursday at Bay Oval in Mount Monganui. Cavin
Larsen eight Test matches and one hundred and twenty one
ODIs for New Zealand. He represented Wellington for fifteen summers.
He was black Caps selection manager from twenty fifteen to
twenty twenty three and as of last month, he's back

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for a secondstant as black Caps selector. Welcome back to
the role, Kevin, Welcome back to the radio. Good to
jet to you again.

Speaker 7 (06:17):
Yeah, good too. Good to hear from your piney.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
Much as I'm sure many cricket fans would have enjoyed
a day or two in the sunshine on the bank
at the base and this weekend. How pleased were you
with the sides performance to win that second Test so convincingly?

Speaker 7 (06:31):
Yeah, look absolutely thrilled because that was hard drafts down
at Hagley in that first Test. I On'm actually sitting
here now finally watching can at retake on Auckland and
in a flunk a shell game and they're here to
say there's a few less people sitting on the bank.
But again it's all about you know, starting to blood

(06:53):
some of these newer guys and I have domestic game
and there's some good talent on the show. But that
was really hard draft in that first Test. So to
bounce back so well at the basin and as you've
alluded to be let bowling wise by you know, Jacob Duffy,
it was Yeah, I found it quite compelling and great doing.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
Given the resistance the West and he showed in the
second and things to draw that first Test in christ Jurge,
did you have any concern that a very inexperienced bowling
attack at Test level might struggle to get you twenty
wickets in Wellington?

Speaker 7 (07:30):
I'm not sure i'd use the word concerns, but you know,
you are fully aware that you've got a group of
bowlers that haven't got a lot of Test caps under
their bilt. I think what we have shown though Piney
in the recent past, and I'm probably going back, you know,
four or five years now, is it when we have
blooded in players not just pace bowlers. You know, they've

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actually looked comfortable reasonably quickly on the big stage. Now
that's I think a really good reflection of our system,
our high performance pathway. And in test cricket, you know
what how planket shield plays such an important role. So
you know, yeah, a little bit nervy, you know, watching
you know, Dusts you know emerging and and Michael Ray

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get an opportunity, and you know, we're brought in Christian
Clark who you know, who knows he might get a
you know, a chance up at the Mount and and
bringing Leart taking her back, you know, after a couple
of years out. But you know, to see them perform
so well and to actually look the part, you know,
up on the big stage, it was extremely pleasing.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
It's a couple of guys there. I want to ask
you about. Jacob Duffy is the first he played a
lot of domestic cricket before he got his chance at
international level, first and white ball and now in red
ball cricket. Can you talk a little bit about his
development as an international bowler across the formats.

Speaker 5 (08:46):
Now, I've loved.

Speaker 7 (08:48):
Every minute of it. So when I was selecting previously
you know, Duffs was you know, set, you know, reasonably
high on our on our succession plan or our depth
chant as we call it. But of course, as we
all know, you know, we had guys you know with
names such as Chaudy, Bolt, Wagner, you know, Matt Henry
even didn't get you know, hell of a lot of

(09:08):
game time. But now he leads our attack when he's
you know, when he's fittin, and Jacob Duffy sort of
sat him behind it, you know, you know, in that
next tier of bowlers. And you know, we always knew
that there was something special about us. So it was
just a matter of you know, when the time emerged
that you know, he would then grab his opportunity. And
he's done that with both hands. And I think the

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key point really Piney, is that you know, the number
of games and the number of overs that he's bowled
for Otago over the years, it's really carried him a
good stead for when he, you know, finally has got
this opportunity. And I don't think you can underestimate you know,
how how important that is.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
Yeah, over three hundred wickets for Otago in first class cricket,
So yeah, he built up a big body of work.
He was introduced into the white ball sides, you know,
a couple of three seasons ago, but only got his
Test debut earlier this year. Do you believe that white
ball international cricket can in some ways prepare you for
red ball international cricket?

Speaker 4 (10:08):
Yes, it can.

Speaker 7 (10:09):
I think it can work either way. You know, Test,
you know, down to T twenty or the opposite. And
you know Dutch has showing, didn't he know, he got
given a crack and in white ball cricket and you
know it's isn't it just fantastic when you look at
the icy icy c rankings and you see Jake you know,
sitting at the top of the tree and see twenty
crickets and you know, I don't think there's too many

(10:30):
you know, cricket fans or you know guys in the media,
you know, guys at my sort of level that you
know would have looked at that and gone wow, you know,
Jacob Duffy top of the tree in twenty twenty five.
So it's a great story and again it's a testament
to you know, how smart he is and that body
of work that you've just mentioned, you know, he's a

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very clever bowler. He's a thinking bowler, and you know
he's the leader of our attack at the moment, and
you know it's very very special.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
So with Matt Henry and Nathan Smith both rolled out
for the second Test, Michael Ray came in and took
six wickets on debut. Looked very enthusiastic and look like
he loved every moment of it. When you were deciding
who to bring in, what swung things in Michael Ray's favor.

Speaker 7 (11:17):
When you're balancing a squad pioneer, you're you're looking for
You're looking for pace, outright pace, You're looking for swing.
You're looking for the ability to nip the ball around
at at a reasonable pace like you know, like like
a Matt Henry does. So you want a you want
the right blend. And of course you're factoring in the conditions,

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you know, thinking about okay, first test was it Hagley
sing it at the base and third at Mount mong
and Nui? You know, what are we going to be
presented wise worth wise in terms of the conditions and
how do we then you know, pull our attack together.
So when we were looking for someone to you know,
we knew Michael cobowl into the into the breeze at
the base and if necessary. You know, all fast ballers

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want the wind behind them, of course, but we knew
that he could punch up into it and do a
do a role. He hits the deck hard, and he's
full of energy. He's a he's a really special guy, Razor.
You know, he's well known around the domestic scene and
you know he's he's he's a champion, and I know
every domestic cricketer you know would have been absolutely thrilled that,
you know, he got the nod and then to see

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him turn around and put those two performances on the
board again, I think a fantastic testament to our to
our system.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Yeah, and just on that GeV. Given the way that
he bowled and is on his debut, the way Jacob
Duffy has bowled early in his Test career, does it
give you faith that Plunkett shill cricket can and is
preparing our pliers for Test cricket.

Speaker 7 (12:43):
And I've always said that, you know, I think the
quality is very very good and we're where you know,
we are blooding a lot of very good young players.
I've been away for a couple of years piney over
in Warwickshire, and I've come back and it was I
was three years away end to end and I've come

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back and reconnected and enjoyed every minute of my first
month back. And one of the main reasons is because
I've connected back into domestic cricket. And you know, each
major association has sixteen contracted players, so there's probably four
or five that you know, have been blooded in by
the since I've been away, and it's been it's been
a real pleasure watching some of these young players, and

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most of them are young and they're in they're early
to mid twenties, you know, just proving straight away that
you know they've got they've got the goods and so
I'm I'm very confident that we're you know, we're continuing
to build the depth and as as the conveyor belt
pushes through and up into the sharp end of you know,
Test Match and Odie's and T twenty Internationals, you know

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that we've got players ready to go.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
So you go to the mountain now to to win
the series or you know, attempt to win the series.
No Matt Henry, no Nathan Smith now, no Blair Tickner
either which was so unfortunate after the way he bowled
in the first innings. So let's leave Jacob Duffy, Zach Folks,
Michael Ray, plus as you mentioned before, uncapped Northern bowler
Christian Clark. I did note that Kyle jam And played
plunket shield for Canterbury last week. He got through nearly

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thirty overs. What's the situation with his Red Bull return?
Might he be a chance to play at bay Oval.

Speaker 7 (14:18):
Look that that's a conversation that will continue through today.
I just I'll revert back to sort of what the
big plan has been with Kyle. And look, he's such
an important bowler for us moving forward, and we've got
to be thinking long term. So when I got back,
I got bored across his you know, his Rea rehab plan,

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his return to play plans as we call it, and
that and that was a prudent and it was probably
you know, edging towards the conservative side, but that's that
was intentional. And that's with Kyle being you know, obviously
a central part of the planning around that. So that
that returned to play in Red Ball up at Napier

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and I was up there watching Kyle. That was a
part of the plan, and then for him to not
play this game down Hagley for Canterbury was also part
of the plan, so he continues his strength and conditioning block.
He is very very close Piney, and you know that's
the I can understand the frustration for fans and the media,
and I guess for us and for Coyle himself, but

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we've got to keep aware and be cognizant of that
big picture, you know, statingly obvious. The last thing we
would want would be for Cole to come back just
a little bit early, and you know, we do not
want to be back to square one. We've got a
really important three match Test series over in England in
the middle of the year and as you could imagine,
you know one, Cole Jamieson is very central to our

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planning around that.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
Absolutely. Just before you go, I've talked a lot about
seam bowlers, but I just want to ask about the
wicket keeping situation as well. Tom blundelporter HAMI in christ
Church couldn't play in Wellington, although as I understand, was
pretty close and could well be available again for bay Oval.
It opened the day I opened the way. Rather for
Mitch Hate today Booie did someb impressively behind the stumps,
made sixty with the bat. How do you manage the

(16:08):
return of Tom Blundell with Mitch Hayes's integration into the
black Caps cide because I think we can probably you know,
say that he'll play a lot of cricket for New
Zealand and the years ahead. Mitch hay.

Speaker 7 (16:20):
I one hundred percent agree with that, and that's you know,
in probability read an white ball. I mean, he's a
he's a fine young cricketer who's got a big future
in front of him. And everything he did at the
base and Reserve to me, you know, it spoke to
his class. You know, his innings was a very very
good one and that was that was in trying conditions.

(16:42):
You know that that Base and Reserve picture had quickened
up on Day two and you know I was doing
it through the year and off the picture of it
and they volved very well the Westerndies and that Mitch showed,
you know, really good determination and commitment with his batting.
So look, he's got he's got a big future read Tommy.
You know, he's our incumbent wicket keeper at Test match

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level and will remain. Yes, he's been a bit light
on runs, but we also believe that he's a class player.
And you know, we'd like that old saying Piney, you know,
formers ten, temporary classes, permanent. We know now that we've
got a match, Hay sitting nicely right and behind Tommy.

(17:24):
Tommy's gonna be back on the park. He will need
to provide the performances. And again we've got you know,
a lot of cricket coming up that we'll be keeping
an eye on Tommy and on Mitchey.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
Great to get your insight, Gav. Great to have you
back on the radio, made and back in this role.
Look forward to catching up again across the summer.

Speaker 7 (17:43):
Thanks Pinty. Awesome to chat Yep, good to.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
Chat to you too, Matekevin Larsen our head selector, selection manager,
I think black Caps selector is probably what we can
call him. I'm not sure what his official title is,
but he's the one in charge of selecting the black Caps.
A lot to unpack there, Keena. Talk some Test cricket
with you, Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty anything
the court area there from our or from the second

(18:07):
Test at the basin over the last three days. I
must admit I didn't think this Test would be over
in three days after what we saw from the West
Indies in christ Church, and with Matt Henry in particular,
and also Nathan Smith dropping out from the first Test.
I looked at the bowling attack and I just wondered
where the twenty wickets were going to come from. And

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when Blair Tickner dislocated his shoulder after being by far
our best bowler in the first innings, I wondered the
same thing about the second innings. How would we get
them out in the second innings? Would the West Indies
dig in like they did in christ Church on days
three and four when batting is always best at the
basin and either saved the game or even set us

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a total to chase which might put us under pressure. Instead,
the West Indies second innings lasted just forty six and
bit overs, and all but five of those overs bil
by Jacob Duffy, Zach Folks and Michael Ray, who before
this match had just four Test matches between them. Jacob
Duffy has become a very impressive bowler for New Zealand.

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His feats with the white ball, firstly in T twenty
then fifty over cricket have been very impressive, as Gavin mentioned,
top of the T twenty bowling rankings the world, ones
that led to his elevation to the Test side to
cover the absence of others, and all of a sudden
it turns out is a very good red bull bowler
as well, and those from Otago have known that for
a long time. Over three hundred first class wickets since

(19:39):
debuting for Otago in twenty twelve. It took eight years
of domestic cricket for Jacob Duffy to make the black
capped Tea twenty side, in thirteen years to make his
Test day boo. But having now made it still just
thirty one, he looks out to enjoy some decent time
in the Test side over the next few summers. And

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then there's Michael Ray, another who's been around the domestic
scene for over a decade without ever really being talked
about consistently as a Black Cap. He himself admitted before
this Test that he thought his chance to play inter
national cricket had gone despite picking up over three hundred
and thirty wickets across the formats for Otago and more

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recently for Canterbury and yet here we are charging in
at the basin he was grabbing six wickets on debut.
Look unlike Jacob Duffy. He may not play Michael Ray
more than a handful of Tests once other guys are
fit again, but his determination to grab a chance he
probably thought would never come was so cool to see.

Speaker 8 (20:42):
So cool.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
I just loved watching Michael Ray play Test cricket. I
thought it was just tremendous. And have we actually built
some pretty decent depth in our pace bowling stocks now
since the retirement of our Big three Saudi, Bolt and Wagner,
three of our top five Test wicket takers of all time.

(21:04):
Here's a list I've just put together. I've seam bowlers
who have played for us in the last couple of
years in various formats. Matt Henry, Kyle Jamison, Jacob Duffy,
Willow Rourke, Zach Folks, Ben Sears, Lackie Ferguson, Adam Milne,
Matt Fisher, Henry Shipley, Nathan Smith, Blair Tickner, Ben Lister,
Michael Ray and Christian Clark. Who's in the latest squad?

(21:25):
That is fifteen seam bowlers. We're pretty well served don't
we If we look at our best four pronged seam
attack right now, if everybody was fit right now, what
would our best four pronged seam attack be. It'll be
Matt Henry, Kyle Jamison, Jacob Duffy and Willow Rourke. That's
not bad. That's not bad, right. Oh, eight hundred eighty

(21:49):
ten eighty is our number. Tell us hi.

Speaker 3 (21:53):
On the fiscal seasons. Greetings or whatever whatever we call
it these.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
Days, whatever we say to one another on the thirteenth
of December, I say it back to you, Dallas.

Speaker 3 (22:05):
Happy holiday, and thanks for all your all your work
this year. I've just really enjoyed what you bring and
all your all the work that obviously goes into it,
all the interviews just just really top draw stuff. Thanks
so much, and also for that you're always willing to

(22:26):
talk about cricket and that's great. You know, as we know,
cricket is the best game in the world.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
So in my opinion, well, look, we've all got our favorites.
Tell us and I know how much you love love
your cricket. What do you think about about the depth
we're building in those I just as I was even
building that list together, this morning of the scene bowlers.
It's way longer than I actually even imagined it will
be when I started making the list.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
It's incredible, it's amazing, and it's obviously this, you know,
I thought out domestic cricket would be weak, but it's
obviously quite strong. That all these guys are coming through.
And it's great because they're all like, none of them
can rest on their laurels. They all have to fight
now for the place, and that's exactly what we want.

(23:12):
What bowl was, you know, sort of just trying for
that edge and in pace or whatever it is, variety
of balls, and so it's just excellent to have all
the strength. Another thing that Gavin said, which is backed
up my theory, is that all three forms of the

(23:33):
cricket are slowly merging. That's my theory that the skills
are becoming more transferable from all three forms. And Gavin
said that that you know, the gap between white ball
and test red balls is narrowing and that if you're
good in one you can easily trans transfer to the other.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
Now, So yeah, yeah, no, I agree. And the other
thing I love dallis is that the likes of Blairtechna
and Michael Ray in particular, Folks and Jacob Duffy I
guess too, because they're early in their careers. There's no
way those guys would have gone out onto the basin
over the weekend with anything other in their minds than hey,
this is my place now I'm going to try and

(24:17):
keep it. They're not placeholders for the others. They may
well be. Look when guys come back, you know, when
Matt Henry comes back, he's clearly back into the side.
So someone drops out. But I just thought every one
of those guys went out there, Tickner, Ray, Duffy and
folks and just put their best foot forward and said,
oh look and see the idea you to drop me?

Speaker 3 (24:36):
And hey too, Hey he took us opportunity. He just
looks the goods too, doesn't he.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
So he does good player the easiest thing.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
As you said, all these like we might say part timers,
they've taken their chance when it's been offered to them.
That all of them and stepped up. So it's just
looking really good for next year is going to be
such a stewy year for cricket. I mean we're playing Australia, England, India.

Speaker 9 (25:05):
I think as well, yes, so.

Speaker 3 (25:09):
It's the only thing about Ray is that he might
need to change his nickname from raiser depend on.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
That's right, tell us here, there's already already got one
of those in Canterbury, haven't we. I noticed that Peter Fulton,
his domestic coach, calls him Zora. It's Ray Zor rather
than the whole razor. But I noticed that Glenn that
Gavin Larsen called him Raiser, but I think they call
him Zora in the in Canterbury cricket circles, just to
distinguish between he and Scott Robertson. Great to chat to

(25:40):
you here, Dallas. It's been awesome chatting cricket and other
sport with you across the year. I'm sure that that'll
continue as well. All the best here, Mike, please hold there,
got to get a breakaway with you right after this
speed line if you want to talk some cricket with us, Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty on our seam bowling
stocks and I'll also be keen to open up the
discussion on the Tom Blundle Mitch Hay thing. As you
heard from Gavin Larston unequivocally, Tom Blundle's our man, he's

(26:02):
our incumbent. We all know Mitch Hay is going to
play a lot of cricket for New Zia across the formats.
Terrific red ball batsman already he averages like in the
high forties in first class cricket with the bat. Mitch Hay,
he's a really good bat and a very tidy keeper.
Only twenty five years old. Going to play a lot.

(26:24):
But Tom Blundle is the incumbent. He wasn't dropped. He
came out of that team because of injury. So he
comes back in for the mount. Is that the right call?

Speaker 10 (26:35):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (26:35):
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty twenty seven to one. Back
with more of your calls on the cricket after this.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
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Speaker 2 (26:51):
They be talking some test cricket. Oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty twenty four to one, Thanks for holding Mike.
Good afternoon here, Good afternoon mate.

Speaker 11 (26:58):
Hey, I'm trying to move to the conversation on a
little bit from the pace bowls and the keep us
to the spin bolls. Yes, and I'm a big chan
of Reguest tell he didn't see him to come into
this conversation at all.

Speaker 8 (27:09):
I'm not sure why.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
I think he may be in the conversation for bay Oval, Mike,
And you know, ironically enough, given the fact you've brought
up he hardly ever plays at home. I think we
tend to go with Mitch Santner and he's not fit
at the moment. So I just wonder whether the door
might open for a JS Patel to perhaps play in.
Matt Mogna.

Speaker 11 (27:30):
Yeah, the reason I'd like to see him is because
he's he's a genuine wizard ticket but Phillips and based
on the hold up an end and but he will
get wizards for us.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
Well, he just took us four hundredth first class work
and I think so you're right about that. He knows
how to get get you get guys out. Yeah, I
think I'm going to check those stats, Mike. But I
can't remember him ever playing a tease and.

Speaker 11 (27:56):
He keeps saying it's because the conditions we green tops
and it's takes spin. But Beyov apparently does it takes
spin and then you go to look at what they does,
which is then Nathan White, Yes.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
Yeah, it's yeah, I would. I'd be a big fan
of ajs Ptel playing. Yeah, I've always thought when he
got that that team wicket bag, remember done that exactly.
And I know it's different over there. I know, I
know the conditions are very conducive to spin bowling over here,

(28:28):
and they're seeing friend of you. But if you don't
play anywhere, Michael will be mout going to be as
you say, favorite spin right yeah, and he.

Speaker 11 (28:35):
Like the genuine We'll just take it. There's no need
to hold up an end.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
Yeah, let's see what they do a good good core mic. Look,
I they may and certainly given the fact that the
pace bowling stocks are so inexperienced, and yes, they did
well at the basin, and it would be hard to well,
I think, I mean Tichna won't play because that shoulders dissipated.
So there's so one new player is going to have
to come in, So they're going to have to bring

(29:00):
somebody into the eleven. I think. You know, folks, Duffy
and Ray have all earned the chance to play at
bay Oval from their performances in Wellington. Folks, so just
Zach Folks is an interesting one to me. Actually, I'm
not sure he's quite quick enough yet to rarely trouble
top class batsman consistent at least still in twenty three
years old. He might develop that, But I heard it

(29:22):
suggested that he might want to look at becoming a
bowling all rounder, much in the same way that Nathan
Smith is. And maybe Zach Folks, you know, provides that
third seamer role, because I think in normal circumstances Zach
Folks wouldn't be opening the bowling. It was just that
we were so green that he did.

Speaker 12 (29:43):
So.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
Yeah, but I think he plays at the Mount, so
does Duffy, so does Ray Tickner comes out, So they've
got a choice to make there. Do they bring in
another debutante, Christian Clark, who was attached to the site,
So all of a sudden you're green again? Or is
it ajs Pattell as Mike is suggesting. Does he come

(30:04):
in and on a pitch which tends to be a
little bit more spin conducive and where you know, it's
a lot flatter, so you do need somebody to bowl
some some overs. Does he come in and with the
likes of you know, Ritch and revenge and Glenn Phillips
does he become the strike spin bowler there. The other

(30:27):
option I guess is they bring Michael Bracewell back in
and Michael Bracewell, who obviously played in christ Church just
basically as a straight swap for Blair Tickner in the eleven.
He provides spin. But again, as Mike said, you know
he's not He's not going to run through a side
necessarily for you where Ajs Betel might give him the
right conditions, Mike, Great, chat to your mate food for thought, JC,

(30:50):
Hello mate, just the pine you will. I'm very good.

Speaker 9 (30:54):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
Are you out Christmas shopping or something else?

Speaker 10 (30:57):
That's the last thing I want to be doing, to
the last thing I want to do. I am going
to pack up a Christmas present, but I'm not going
there are more.

Speaker 6 (31:07):
So Yeah, yeah, very sad.

Speaker 10 (31:10):
Look just on our pace bowling. Look, we're in a
really unusual position. We've actually got tour timber, so we've
got we've got really good bowlers who can bowl line
and length with a bit of movement off the pitchure
through the year. But if I want to set that
ball in short, they've got that height to really get
that horrible lift. But my only concern is there's a

(31:31):
lot of talk about what we've got, but we're not
talking about who's out there, who's express So where is
our one five k and our bowler or where are they?
You know we're at day rather than him. You know,
we're not. We haven't brought that up in conversation yet.
And I think you know next year three Tests in Australia, sorry,

(31:52):
three Tests in England and then we end up with
four Tests against Australia. Line and length and a bit
of movement. It's not going to help us a lot.
We're going to need to a someone who can put
the fear of God into some of those batsman on
some of those pitchers.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
Great, yeah, I tell you who they probably are. If
we're looking for candidates. Ben sears Is won and he
had that one Test match against Australia, has played a
bunch of T twenties for us and a few Odie
Eyes as well. He's I think currently working his way
back and that's the issue, as we always know with
pace bowlers is that they tend to break down a

(32:29):
little bit. Matt Fisher played that Test in Zimbabwe this year.
They really like him as a as a guy can
get up over one forty clicks and Will O'Rourke I
think is probably the other one, although he might he
might struggle to go over one forty consistently. I think
Ben Sears is probably your man to fit that profile.

Speaker 10 (32:48):
Yeah, well, you know, I think he's playing in Australia
at the moment that he's playing for Melbourne University. Yeah, yeah,
so it is he on a rehabilitation course of he
over there.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
I think it's like one of those return to cricket
plans that they that they talked about, or Gavin talked
about with Kyle Jamison. Yeah, they're managing his return and
I mean, even what's ben Cs? He'd be twenty seven,
you know, he just like a lot of these guys.
Jamerson's the same. They just seem to because they put
so much strain on their bodies by bowling, it just
seems to affect some of them. I mean it actually

(33:22):
says a lot about Southy Bolton Wagner that they played
so much. But yeah, ben Cs just seems to pick
up all you know niggles on a fairly regular basis,
which is a shame.

Speaker 10 (33:31):
Yeah, I wonder if it's got something to do with
just the biomechanics of our bowlas in New Zealand, with
the conditions that we play. I mean, you go back
a few years and I go back a few years now.
You know Richard Hadley never broke down a lot. Hughan
Chaffield just you know, will not express just came in
and put it in and just played game after game,
over after over, didn't break down a lot. So what

(33:54):
are they doing now that causes them to break down
so much?

Speaker 2 (34:00):
It's a very very good question, and I'm one I'm
sure you know the bio mechanism. I'm not even sure
what the doctors physios are probably trying to work out. JC.
You know, what, what can we do to alleviate these problems?
I think you know, Sir Richard obviously, you know he
basically halved his run up, didn't he and but didn't
lose any of his zip or his ability to take wickets.

(34:23):
I guess when you rely on express pace like Ben Sears,
like I mean, member Lockie Ferguson, He's only played one
Test match for US. It was that one in Australia.
I think he broke down on the first morning. You know,
one Test he's played for US and he's always been
called Adam Milne has never played a Test match for
New Zealand. Another really quick bowler. So yeah, to to

(34:43):
have the body and also the ability to play Test
cricket as a fast bowler is something that not all
of these guys have been able to do well.

Speaker 10 (34:53):
I think there's some stuff to learn. You know, Richard
Hadley obviously short in this run up and I remember
talking to Adam Ferori about that he played in that
testimonial game from and the Seat to Adam that you know,
short run up now, and he said, don't think for
a moment that he's slow. He could sit through. Umbra
is another one who's showing the world that he can

(35:15):
come off fifteen paces and still bowl very quick with swing.
So if there's something there that we can learn, you
know that we don't have to have really long run
ups to bowl fast. And I just wonder, you know,
the people that are looking after the fitness, conditioning and
biomechanics of our bowlers, are we just trying to get

(35:36):
too much pace by trying to be too aggressive in
our approaches as running into bowl rather than actually working
the body in a way to get to height and
pace without putting so much stress on those joints. I
think there's something.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
There, you know.

Speaker 10 (35:50):
I don't know why we have amazing bowlers but they
can't play. They can't play a season without breaking down
once or twice.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
Great boy jays and look, I'm sure that in these
days of no stone being left unturned, somebody is looking
at it because you know, it would be a tragedy
if we get to the point where the likes of
Sears and o'rourk. I mean, Willow Rock's only twenty four
years old. It would be such a shame of his
if his ability to bowl, particularly at test level, was

(36:21):
truncated because of injury. But make great to chatty, all
the best with the with the Christmas present, pick up mate,
and look, feel free to call back next weekend if
you find yourself out and about as well, we can
pick up the conversation again. Good to chat to you, mate.
Fourteen away from one, we'll take a break and come
back on Texty C. Macram off a few paces one

(36:41):
of the best ever says this text yet correct will
O Rourke, as pointed out by Ben Stokes and Britta
McCullum is the only New Zealand Test bowler who can
bowl up to and pasted one fifty. Okay, so I've
under sold Willow Rourk there. I seem to remember him
as more of a low one forties, but up over
one fifty. I know Ben Sears can bowl that quick.

(37:01):
He's always been really rapid, but just you know, able
to string together decent lengths of time. And Kyle Jamison
is the He is the prime example of this. I
know he's not that quick, not up to the one fifties,
but do you remember when Cole Jamison came into the
Test team. He was absolutely brilliant. He complimented those other
three that we talked about before so well during that

(37:24):
World Test Championship period. But Coyle Jamison hasn't played a
Test for New Zealand since early twenty twenty four, nearly
two years out of the Test site. That is a tragedy.
It's such a shame. But hopefully, as Gavin Larson mentioned,
we can get to a point where he has managed

(37:46):
effectively enough that he can put in a decent body
of work, particularly with the next twelve to fourteen months
we go to England for test matches middle of next year.
India come here for test matches at the beginning of
next summer and then were off to Australia for four tests.
How good would it be to have every body fit
and available for the vast majority of those tests? How

(38:07):
good would it be to go to Australia on their
hard tracks over there and have Henry O'Rourke, Sears Duffy
and others. I'm getting excited even talking about it. Twelve
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the feedback and I'm sure gave Will as well. Let
us take a moment to appreciate the journey of Jacob Duffy,
says Andy, thirteen year veteran in the first class, seen
two five wicked bags in his feet first two tests.
It doesn't get any better for the pride of Lumsdon. Also,

(41:11):
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Lingo bingo this hour. Sevu Reese will depart New Zealand
Rugby after the twenty twenty six Super Rugby season.

Speaker 15 (44:29):
They go again the Crusaders. Sivu Rees thinks he's got
to try a potentially historic moment here in the context
of Super Rugby.

Speaker 5 (44:38):
They're gonna go up Skirs. The TMO is gonna be required.

Speaker 4 (44:41):
He's unpossessing in the ball touch of the line, so
we'll be a try.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
There.

Speaker 8 (44:47):
It is.

Speaker 5 (44:49):
Sivu reees. They're on their feet. They're aware of the history.

Speaker 15 (44:53):
Sevu reeas sixty six but try in Super Rugby and
now outright undisputed alone at the top of the Super
Rugby standings, but tries scored and.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
The competition Super Rugby's all time leading tries scorer. Sever
Reese fell out of favor for the All Blacks this season,
before returning with two tries in the final Test of
the year against Wales. He has signed with French club
Pepignon and all sever Reese played thirty seven Test matches
for the All Blacks, scoring twenty tries. He was first
choice on the wing at the twenty nineteen Rugby World Cup.

(45:29):
Now sever Reese is contracted for all of next year
with New Zealand Rugby, but it is highly unlikely he'll
play for the All Blacks again. There is a caveat
as well to signing. Reports suggests that Pepignon must retain
their spot in the top fourteen next season if the
deal is to go through. They're currently last, which would
see them dropped into the second division. Let's see, let's

(45:50):
hope that they can retain their place and Severa Reese's
three year deal can go ahead. Sever Reese is with
us on Weekend Sport. Congratulations on the next chapter in
your rugby career. Sever How did this all come about?

Speaker 8 (46:05):
Yeah, honestly, it's yeah, it was probably one of the
toughest decisions I've had to make so far. And yeah,
this was one of them, decision to live New Zealand
and go Farans. But you know, so much thought has
been put into it, and we just think that the
timing is right, and but yeah, we'll definitely miss New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
Were there times during the decision making process, ever, when
you were leaning towards staying in New Zealand one hundred?

Speaker 8 (46:39):
You know, we look ahead, We've got the World Cup
and you know, I feel like, you know, I can
stay here and try to have another crack at going
to the World Cup. And they had all these things
in my head and you know, like it's like I said,
it was, it was so tough and I just had
to you know, like so much going back and forth,

(47:00):
back and forth conversations with people that I needed to
have and yeah, just really came down to you know
what me and my family were happy with, and yeah,
this is what we're happy with.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
So now that you've made the decision, as you say,
it was, you know, a tricky decision making process, Now
that you've landed on this call, do you feel at
peace with it? Now that you've actually made the decision
to leave, Yeah, one hundred percent.

Speaker 8 (47:25):
You know, like what wasn't until like I said, I
woke up this morning because the club in France they
announced it obviously what we're all still sleeping, so we yeah,
wouldn't work up this morning and just seeing you know,
like all the messes from people, and you know that's
when everything's sort of just sunk in and just felt

(47:46):
real and you know, just started to get super emotional
just thinking of, you know, leaving New Zealand. But you
know that's this life and you know they say life
goes on, so yeah, indeed it does.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
And you might be going just yet because there's a
super rugby season to be had with the Crusaders. How
important was it for you to have one more season?
To have twenty twenty six with the Crusaders before you left.

Speaker 8 (48:13):
Yeah, yeah, it was very important, and I have had
that in my head this whole time. You know, I've
I've got one more shot at you know, you've got
the new stadium in christ it's you know, to be
part of the first Crusaders team to play in that.
And also I've got one hundred games as well coming

(48:35):
up for the Crusaders, So you know, I've got a
few more boxes to tick and you know I'll see
that one hundred games will be will be the icing
and the cake for me.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
Yeah, some cool milestones to look forward to in terms
of your All Blacks career for now, anyway, it'll be
off to one side. Who knows what the future holds,
but for now, your time in the Black jersey has
come to an end. Have you had the chance to
reflect on what a special time it was for you
representing the All Blacks?

Speaker 8 (49:01):
Oh, one hundred percy, like you've your kid's dream here
has to be an All Black and you know, I
was very blessed and lucky enough to to make that
come true for me and my family. And you know,
just thanks to all the coaches this you know past
in prison that gave me the opportunity to represent New Zealand,

(49:24):
and you know, I see it. I know everyone wants
to be an All Black and you know, being in
the environment every day, as you know, you don't take
it lightly. And you know, like I said it, you know,
I've achieved my dream that I've I've always wanted to
do and you know, but unfortunately for now, I'll have
to push it to the side. And yeah, obviously you know,

(49:47):
focus on Super Ugly now and obviously what comes after that.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
Yeah, well, if your last test or the last test
you play is to be your last game for the
All Blacks that went against Wales at Cardiff, You've got
those tries that you scored, including the ankle breaker in
the corner. Not a bad way to go out.

Speaker 8 (50:06):
Oh yeah, well no, that was cool. Like I said,
you know, I've give them opportunity in that last game
and you know I made sure to make the most
of it and the Minister get trying, which is pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
It was very cool. So when you think of the
young Sevo Reese who grew up in Fiji loving the
game of rugby and you look back now, how much
pride do you feel about what you've achieved? For the
various teams you have represented No.

Speaker 8 (50:33):
One hundred. You know, like I said, you know, I'm
just a you know, I was I was a little
kid from Fiji. You know, I was born in Fiji.
You know, I grew up in Fiji and moved over
to New Zealand for for better life and hoping that
one day I'm able to support my family. And you know,

(50:54):
today I can, I can happily say that, you know,
I've ticked all those boxes, and you know, all the teams,
all the teams that I was a part of, and
in the friendships and relationships that I've I've built over
the last time and many years and in up until today.
You know, I get to sit back and yeah, you know,

(51:15):
just look back and just yeah, it just makes me
so proud and just happy knowing that I've given everything
to all the teams that I've been a part of,
and you know, and hope hopefully I've made made some
of the fans proud, and you know, just yeah, I
know that just brings you so much story and just
happiness just thinking about, Yeah, my career so far here

(51:38):
and and.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
The other thing we've loved watching you be for anything
you play for as a hype man. That's something we've
come to expect from Seva Roost. When you're forwards affect
a turnover or something similar, you're the first one in
there with the with the chart hoo's and the pats
on the back. Is that something that you have intentionally
wanted to bring to the teams that you've been a
part of.

Speaker 8 (52:00):
Yeah, or one hundred percent. You know, like if you
you know, if you look at the rugby played today
and you know that the modern rugby, you know, almost
all teams are all teams. You can say all teams
are the same. You know, we almost trained the same
amount of hours and eveything, and I think, you know,
it comes down to just just little things of like

(52:21):
you know, how high you can obviously get it and
get into other other teams' heads and just little things,
you know. But but at the same time, it's you know,
we do it to celebrate the little wins that we
had and it could have been from a scrum our
big boys could have had a really good scrum more
or you know, just we want a penalty or just

(52:43):
something like that, just you know, getting in there and
just showing those big boys how much issue. You appreciate
what they've just did. Love it, love it.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
Well, you've signed for three years on this deal in France.
Have you thought beyond that about what the future might hold.
Can you see yourself, for example, coming back to New
Zealand at some point.

Speaker 8 (53:04):
I've been yeah, I'll just ask it just before, you know,
because i'm you know, on Fijian and you know three
years time i'll be eligible for for Fuji as well,
so be It's like I said, you know, there's lots
there for me, but honestly, when we leave New Zealand,

(53:26):
there'll be no looking back for sure. And you know
I was going to go there with with the mindset
of just going there to play some good rugby, you know,
enjoy create some some more amazing memories of my little family,
and you know, whatever whatever happens in the future happens,
whether it's a Fiji jersey or on New Zealand jersey again,

(53:47):
then yeah, we'll just wait and see.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
Yeah, we'll look forward to seeing how that plays out. Well,
we get to watch you for one more Super RUGB
season with the Crusaders. Sever congratulations on a terrific All
Blacks career. Thank you for all the joy you've brought
to so many people during your time in the Black Jersey.
All the best for the Super Rugb season ahead, and
thanks for chatting to us today.

Speaker 8 (54:05):
I think someone's appreciated these two.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
No, thank you, sir sever Reese there, so yeah, he's
not leaving yet. Annoyingly for the rest of us, he'll
probably be part of a Crusader side that will win
another Super Rugby title. But for now, as far as
the All Blacks are concerned, that is it. And you
would have to think that is it. I just simply
can't see a set of circumstances under which sever Ruce
would play for the All Blacks again. He's twenty nine now,

(54:30):
sob be thirty two when he comes back, if he
does come back. And look, you know, I think we've
kind of learned that wingers, you know, they certainly are
the hot hand when it comes to selection, and that's
exactly what sever Reese was in twenty nineteen. He and
George Bridge came into those wing spots having had very
little test rugby going into the World Cup in twenty

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nineteen and were first choice across that tournament. And I
think the same thing's going to happen at the next
Rugby World Cup. I honestly think there may be a situation,
a scenario under which the charding, winger or wingers plural
for us at the next Rugby World Cup in twenty
twenty seven are players we haven't yet seen debut because

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it is it's the wing above all other positions in rugby,
and particularly in the All Blacks at a World Cup.
Time is a form thing. It is the hot hand,
as Elliott Smith, our rugby editor and match commentator, calls it.
A guy like Caleb Tungataw might be a great example.

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I mean, Lee Roy Carter came in this year having
you know, really, I mean, I'm not sure that many
people a year ago were picking Lee Roy Carter to
play as often for the All Blacks as he did
this year. So who knows who it's going to be
in a couple of years. Time updating, you want some
live sport before we move as does seem a rather unseasonal,

(55:57):
unseasonable focus on rugby. I know that, but I'm going
to chat to Clarke laid Law shortly hurricaneses coach, because
speaking of the All Blacks, Jason Holland, who has just
departed the All Blacks as assistant coach, will now be
an assistant coach back at the Hurricanes, where he was
previously before the All Blacks a head coach. So how's
this going to work? This is a really interesting development,

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So Clarke laidlaw on that in just a second Live
Sport Plunket Shell cricket. It's lunch at our three Venues,
Otago ninety one for four batting first against Central Districts
in their match at the University of Otago Oval in Dunedin,
having been sent in by CD. Also lunch in Fuga

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day at Cobbham Oval where Wellington are one hundred for
two one hundred for two in their first innings having
won the toss and elected to bat first. And the
third game is in a Chross Chach have you Oval
where we spoke to Gavin Larsen previously and Auckland eighty
seven for six eighty seven for six at lunch. There

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so a bit of work to do for them, Auckland
having been sent in by cam Canterbury. And we have
three halle Burton Johnston Shield matches as well round five
matches in our women's domestic fifty over competition CD one
hundred and ninety one for eight, having won the toss
and elected to bat first against Otago, Canterbury all out

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for one hundred and thirty six against Wellington who are
three for one in reply, and Auckland all out one
fifty seven having been sentenced by Northern who are about
to start their run chase. So those are the cricket
scores we have for you one twenty three it is.
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an absolutely terrific event. Back to the future for now
former All Blacks assistant coach Jason Holland. Having opted not
to seek a contract extension with the All Blacks after

(01:01:02):
two seasons, Jason Holland will return to the Hurricanes as
an assistant for their twenty twenty six Super Rugby Pacific campaign.
He was previously a Kine's assistant from twenty sixteen to
twenty nineteen and then four seasons as head coach before
he joined the All Blacks. He joins a coaching team
at the Hurricanes lead by head coach Clarke Laidlaw, along

(01:01:24):
with his assistants Jamie McIntosh, Corey Jane Brad Cooper and
Bryn Evans, and now Jason Holland as well. Head coach
Clarke Laidlaw is with us. Great piece of business to
get Jason Holland back into the camp. Clark, how did
this all come about?

Speaker 16 (01:01:41):
Yeah, it's yeah, it's exciting news for us and certainly
something we're really looking forward to to welcome and back
in the club, as as we have done this week.
And yeah, how it came about was Alfy and I
have continually been in contact.

Speaker 9 (01:01:58):
Yeah, reasons I started the job really.

Speaker 16 (01:01:59):
You know, he was one of the first people I
met when I came down to Wellington from the mount
and obviously with his role with All Blacks, we've often
had conversations and coffee and talked.

Speaker 9 (01:02:12):
So yeah, I just reached out to.

Speaker 16 (01:02:15):
When he decided not to extend with All Blacks just
for a yard really.

Speaker 9 (01:02:21):
And shared the idea that you know, we were looking for.

Speaker 16 (01:02:24):
You know that the squads went up to fifty players
with extended wider training groups. We've got two or three
hundred twenties that are here at the minute, so you're.

Speaker 9 (01:02:31):
At fifty three. So we were looking for a coach
to come in and support us in some capacity.

Speaker 16 (01:02:36):
But obviously Arfury's previous relationship and connection here and you know,
his obvious expertise and experience then you know, that conversation
developed into to a serious chart around could we you know,
could we make it work?

Speaker 9 (01:02:52):
And what was his plans post All Blacks?

Speaker 16 (01:02:54):
And yeah, I guess we've arrived at today where he's
been in two days this week helping coach.

Speaker 9 (01:02:58):
So so exciting, it's exciting.

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
So what specific responsibilities do you say him having kind
of diedted and across the Super Rugby season.

Speaker 16 (01:03:09):
Yeah, working with Coops around the attacking game. You know,
it's a big portfolio when it comes to all different
types of attack and in different ways we now gain
possession having Britain you know, obviously is the All Black
line out coach again between those three really building our
attacking game, you know.

Speaker 9 (01:03:27):
So we're walking through that now with with Coops and.

Speaker 16 (01:03:30):
Brynn and Alfie and we genuinely have a real sort
of collaborative approach around of coaching here anyway and try
and co coach different areas of the game. So but yeah,
in particular for him around the you know, the phase attack,
counter attack, turnover attack, the areas that take a lot
of work for a lot of analysis. He can help
us with that and then you know that frees us

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all up to to share the workload across the squad.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
This perhaps might be a question for him, but how
do you reckon he'll go coming back into an assistant
role at the time he was head coach at previously.

Speaker 16 (01:04:07):
Yeah, I mean, you're right, it's it's definitely a question
he can answer better than me. But from what I've
seen the last couple of days and the conversations we had,
and I think that was that was probably the clincher,
was his excitement to come in here and assist and
help both me and Coops and in our roles. You know,
he was he was really excited and sort of passionate

(01:04:28):
around that part of the role and his passion for
making players better and picking defenses. Apart as obvious, So
de'tually any any problems or issues with thought. You know,
he's a there's no ego, you know, certainly from my
end around him being here before, and and you know

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we don't see any of that between him and Coops.
So yeah, I'm I'm all guns blazing on it. We
We genuinely have loved having the men already this week fantastic.

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
Were you surprised to left the old Blacks environment?

Speaker 16 (01:05:03):
To be honest, I haven't really thought about it, and
I and ask them, you know, it's not for me
to to worry too much around that. I'm sure we
have a few coffees and beers through the season, you know,
he might share around someone is thinking, but in a
sort of short term for us, you know, haven't given
it too much thought. And I just feel grateful and

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excited around the opportunity for him to come here.

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
So you're in pre season, now, what what's the schedule
between now when when you play your first game on
the twentieth of February. What's the What are the next
sort of six to white weeks look like for the
for the Hurricanes.

Speaker 16 (01:05:38):
Yeah, we've got a full week next week. We finish
up on the Saturday with the traditional sourt to peak.
I'm sure the players are starting to look forward to. Yeah,
so that's the next start. We have a breakthrough till
the fifth where you know, remote training obviously for the players,
and a lot of break for the staff over Christmas

(01:05:58):
and New Year, and then as say, come back on
the fifth and then yeah, but three weeks planned out
and then the fourth week, as.

Speaker 9 (01:06:04):
You say, we play with the Blues up there, and
in second preseason. The Chiefs out at Pariua.

Speaker 16 (01:06:11):
Is the preseason program, and I think with you know,
we've got buy round one, which you know, I'm not
sure anybody wants buy Round one, but it's allowing us
to have a camp and also allowing us all Blacks
an extra week to reintegrate into the squad. So so yeah,
we've got a sort of solid plan through the camp
week and then getting to Majana at home in round two.

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
When do your front line O Blacks come back in?

Speaker 16 (01:06:40):
Yeah, the week of the week of the Blues game
is the official date they've got an all black camp.
I think it's I think it's maybe the nineteenth or
twentieth of January. They've got the all black commercial window
where you know they're in and out a bit with
commitments to the commercial window, but alimlely that week we

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play the Blues that are in full time. So again
we've met all the all Blacks, We've had a few
and training in and around the facility, not with the team,
but you know, doing their own things. So so yeah,
we feel quite clear and planned around that integration. I
think we've managed that a little bit better than maybe
last year's offseason and the bodies are. You know, we

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had two of these surgeries coming at the back end
of the All Blacks.

Speaker 9 (01:07:26):
You know, guys like.

Speaker 16 (01:07:26):
Tyrell have had surgeries but obviously had it way earlier.
So we're hopeful all players will be ready fit healthy
by round two against Moana.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
Is it still a learning process? Pre season? I don't know.
Does it ever feel like you'll absolutely nail it and
get it completely right. It just seems like such a
hard thing to get right with Christmas in the middle
of it. It's still bloody hot, all that sort of stuff,
and All Black's coming back a bit lighter. Is it
still a sort of a learning process?

Speaker 16 (01:07:54):
I think the thing that always changes made is the context.
You know, it's the first year we hardly had any
All Blocks. Everybody's here from day one, apart from two
players were ripped in and started the season really Welllast
year we had loads of surgeries, guys injured out with
All Black fifteen All Blacks, so that context was completely different.

Speaker 9 (01:08:13):
So between the two A certainly fuel this year as
a staff.

Speaker 16 (01:08:18):
We've been more prepared and ready to adapt and change
based on the context.

Speaker 9 (01:08:22):
So I've really enjoyed the work. The staff.

Speaker 16 (01:08:25):
I've done the thought of put into what content we
used pre Christmas for a rugby We're trying to get
a little bit more organized from our structure perspective that'll
allow us to accelerate different areas after Christmas. So yeah,
the context is always different, mate, But you know, third
year in, I certainly feel the cohesiveness of the coaching

(01:08:46):
group and s and season physios have allowed us to
be prepared for the different types of scenarios and context.
And I feel like we're ahead of the wave a
wee bit around where we wore maybe last year.

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
In particular, good man Clark, well, good pace of business,
getting Jason Holland back into the camp. Look forward to
catching up in that twenty twenty six as the season
DROs class sounds good, mate, See then Clark, thanks indeed.
Clark laid Law coach of the Hurricanes, head coach joined
by Jason Holland, former head coach of the team, former

(01:09:18):
assistant coach of the All Blacks. It's yeah, everything you've
like I've had a I live in Hurricanes territory and
everything I've seen from Clark laid Law is completely collaborative.
He he, you know what he said there, he will
be completely unthreatened by Jason Holland coming in. Some head

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coaches might have been a jeeps, this guy want my
job he was he had this job, he might be,
you know, angling to get the head coaching job back.
Clark laid Law won't feel that at all. It's just
I reckon he'll be stoked to have Jason Holland back.
The two of them clearly get on very well, have
stayed in touch in the time since Jason Holland's gone
into the All Blacks and Clark's been the Hurricanes coach,

(01:09:59):
and now they get to work together. Jason Holland loves
the Hurricanes and loves the game of rugby. I think
the this is brilliant for him, and it also again
raises questions about what on earth happened inside that All
Blacks coaching environment for a guy who loves the game
of rugby as much as Jason Holland does. Here's a

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guy who when he was Hurricanes's head coach, if the
Hurricanes didn't have a game, he'd go and watch a
club game.

Speaker 5 (01:10:25):
He drive up to.

Speaker 2 (01:10:25):
Palmerston North to his old stamping ground up there and
watch a club game. He absolutely loves the game of
rugby and coaching the game of rugby and being involved
in the game of rugby. And when you reach the
very top of coaching in New Zealand, which is being
part of the All Blacks coaching set up, and then

(01:10:45):
you voluntarily elect to leave that environment, that leaves a
lot of unanswered questions. I was really interested to read
Liam Napier in the New Zealand Herald today under the
headline pressure builds on All Blacks coaches as internal frustrations emerge.
I would urge you to have a read of that
if you're a rugby fan. First couple of paragraphs from

(01:11:10):
Leam New Zealand Rugby is court at a delicate crossroads
as it digs into the shaky state of the All Blacks.
No one expected the All Blacks to be here, attempting
to address an unhappy camp and amend underwhelming performances midway
through this four year cycle. It's a really telling piece
from Liam Napier, who probably more than most understands the

(01:11:34):
inner workings of the All Blacks and the All Blacks
coaching setup. But for Jason Holland, he's back in an
environment which he loved before and I'm sure we'll love again.
And I think all Hurricanes fans almost unequivocally have welcomed
him back with open arms. Twenty to two. Let's take
a break, come back and get you across the Tasman
to Adam Peacock with I think he might be in

(01:11:56):
a Hong Kong of all places. Have no idea why,
but Adam Peacock, our Australian correspondent with us on the show.

Speaker 1 (01:12:02):
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The B one forty three Saturday afternoons means a chat
to our Australian correspondent, Adam Peacock, who joins us now
but not from Australia. You've taken the short nine hour
flight up to Hong Kong. What's going on up there?

Speaker 14 (01:12:25):
We'll got the international races tomorrow. Piney up here.

Speaker 17 (01:12:28):
So I've actually I had a bit of a night
as you do in Hong Kong, and then got up
early and I'm standing in the middle of Happy Valley
Racetrack right now, just about to sweat out some of
last night since yeah, just on a weekend junket, basically wonderful.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
How was the weather, how was the temperature? And how
hot does it get in Hong Kong at this time
of the year.

Speaker 14 (01:12:49):
It's I think it's winter. It doesn't feel like it.

Speaker 17 (01:12:52):
It's probably twenty degrees right now, so it's t shirt weather.
And it's a really cool setup. Actually a Happy Valley.
It's one of their two racetracks they got shots in
where they have the massive races which they will tomorrow,
the four group ones, including the Key. We've read Kaye
in Rising the best frinder in the world. But Happy
Valley is like near the business district. They use every

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inch of space about it. So just on the inside
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(01:13:35):
people who live here.

Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
Outstanding. All right, Well, while we've got you, I want
to talk about what's happening back in Australia, in particular
around the ashes by the Sounds of it. Pack Cummins
will be good for the third Test against England and Adelaide,
having missed the first two with injury. As if Australia
needed a boost, they've done pretty well in these first two.
But I mean Pack Cummins comes back in surely, Yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:13:57):
Yeah, he will, and Nathan Lyon comes back in as well.

Speaker 17 (01:14:01):
That George Bailey, the Chief selector, last week said in
Brisbane about that controversial decision, well he goes, Nathan will
play in Adelaide, so two will drop out. The common
thought is that Michael Nica drops out, pat Common drops
out and then that's as you were with Bowlin and Sark.
So yeah, not ideal news for England who are trying
to get back into it. I've got a suspicion they'll

(01:14:23):
be better England because I think Adelaide will suit them
a bit better. But there is the big unanswerable is
their mindset absolutely shocked, shot shot the bits, given what
happened in Brisbane, and they have just been absolutely copying
it over here on every level about everything they're doing.
So yeah, interesting to see if they can bounce back.

Speaker 18 (01:14:45):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:14:45):
One of the things they've been doing to prepare for
the third teast and Adelaide is rather than getting the
nets and I put on some comprehensive practice. They've done
what most keywis do. Will we go over there and
have gone to nutsa.

Speaker 14 (01:14:57):
Yeah, they put that in the itinerary six months ago.

Speaker 17 (01:15:01):
And despite the fact that they find themselves in the
position they in that they're in, that they to the same.

Speaker 14 (01:15:06):
Look, I get it. I actually don't mind it.

Speaker 17 (01:15:09):
Like it's not like they've gone up there for six
days and they're just on the on the piss the
whole time.

Speaker 14 (01:15:13):
They're actually just relaxing for a couple and then they'll
get down to Adelaid.

Speaker 17 (01:15:17):
Because if they went straight to Adelaide and then they're
just having net session after net session, they're not playing
a match, which probably might in retrospect look a bit odd,
but they're not playing a match there.

Speaker 14 (01:15:27):
They're just you know, hanging around. The press is there.
You know, the environment's not exactly an open one.

Speaker 17 (01:15:33):
So yeah, I get that they've gone there, but they
are absolutely copying about everything they're doing. And the main
theme actually is the is this whole Brendan McCullum style
playing a fraud?

Speaker 14 (01:15:43):
That's that's the big thing.

Speaker 17 (01:15:45):
That's come out of the first two tests and these
players have to aim up to make sure that those
stories go away in Adelaide.

Speaker 2 (01:15:52):
Yeah, and do you think that they they will or
does it feel to you as Brendan McCallum is all
in on this approach and even though it hasn't worked
in the first two tests, that he'll be encouraging he
and Ben Stokes will be encouraging a team to play
the same way or will there be a bit of
pragmatism about this?

Speaker 17 (01:16:11):
Now everything we've learned is that he'll Brendan McCullum ll
try and get the players into a headspace that allows
them to play that's the top of freedom that they
want to which is obviously what worked for him as
an international cricketer. So he's brought that to the table
for England and for the most part it has worked.
It's just in the last twenty four twelve months actually
that there's been some situations where it hasn't followed through,

(01:16:33):
Like they probably should have won that series against India didn't.
Now they find themselves too nil down in one of
the most type dashes series of all time. Yeah, the
methods have been highly questioned so I don't think though,
that he's the type of guy to turn around and go, well,
I'm being criticized by everyone, maybe I should listen to everyone.

Speaker 14 (01:16:53):
I think he's the top of.

Speaker 17 (01:16:54):
Guy to go now I know I'm right. We'll continue
doing what we're doing. So fair play to him if
that's the case. He's a man of conviction. But I'm
not sure it's going to work out that way if
they need to win three tests in a row.

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
Adelaide SCG despite all of the different well despite their
approach to it and the fact that it hasn't worked
in the first two test matches. Is there also just
a cold hard effect here that Australia are just a
better test team than England at the moment.

Speaker 17 (01:17:24):
Yes, but the yeah, like there's that thought, like everyone
seems a bit surprised, how with Alex Cary is at
wiki keeping and Mitchell Stark is at bowling, and how
Travis ed can be so damaging with the bat. Yeah,
there's that, But it's more to the point that it
looks like England aren't actually giving themselves a proper chance
to compete. They're playing stupid shots when they shouldn't be

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joff for archers coming in and bowling at one hundred
and thirty five k's now when it could bowl one
hundred and fifty k's an hour, as we saw with
that last exchange with Steve Smith at the Gabba.

Speaker 14 (01:17:55):
But the previous spells.

Speaker 17 (01:17:56):
Weren't at that speed and that's what ignited the whole
chat with Steve Smith saying bowlwin there's nothing on the
lion Champ bowl quick.

Speaker 14 (01:18:04):
When there's nothing on the line chair you.

Speaker 17 (01:18:05):
Jamped in, it's great, But yeah, it's more to that
and that's the frustration, and that's the key storyline that yeah,
Australia are good and they've been rock solid.

Speaker 14 (01:18:14):
They've been good when they had to be good, but.

Speaker 17 (01:18:17):
The way that the English just frown wickets away at
crucial times has really curtailed any sense of a proper
series so far.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
I've got decent coffee for you over there, have they? Yeah?

Speaker 17 (01:18:32):
Yeah, I have one yesday, so I'll probably go back.
I don't want to risk things. I'll just go Yep.

Speaker 14 (01:18:36):
I did a good coffee, so I'm going to go
back there for breakfast. Affter this so yeah, good places.
It's fun. Actually we're out in a boat all day
drinking alcohol and son what could go wrong?

Speaker 2 (01:18:46):
Well, I certainly hope that we get the chance to
chat to you next weekend. If that's the case, good
to chat mate and enjoy your time up in Hong
Kong and we'll hopefully catch up next week.

Speaker 14 (01:18:56):
Yeah. If I don't answer, you know what's happened.

Speaker 9 (01:18:58):
All good?

Speaker 2 (01:18:58):
Well, thanks mate, tak it easy. Adam Peacock, Australian correspondent,
come to your life from Hong Kong today where it
sounds like he's enjoying all of that the place has
to offer. He joins us around about this time every
Saturday afternoon with the latest from sport across the Tasman.
Just on the Ashes, Jonathan Agnew our guests tomorrow. I know,

(01:19:19):
if you like me as a cricket fan, you'll be
watching the Ashes with as much interest as you are.
The black Caps West Indies third Test and Adelai, I
think that's Thursday. I think Thursday's the Thursdays at Wednesday Thursday.
It's then the week ahead anyway, and I know a
lot of you will have watched the first two tests.
I'm very very keen to get your thoughts on the Ashes.

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Cricket fans so we'll do that tomorrow Jonathan Agnew after
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Speaker 4 (01:20:24):
Hayden Wild T one hundred World Champion, how does that feel?

Speaker 13 (01:20:29):
And it's pretty spiritual from starting in Singapore and then
being a hospital for a bit and then coming back
and yeah, winning a few races and finishing here and guitar.
It's been a long season, but it's yeah, it's nice
to finish up.

Speaker 4 (01:20:40):
I mean, when you when you reflect on the season
you've had with that with that injury or crushity sustained
in Japan. Can you process what you've achieved this year?

Speaker 13 (01:20:49):
That's pretty hard to Hey, like, yeah, you kind of
forget sometimes of the process you went through when you
you know, when you come back and have some good
success and you're just going to kind of think about that.
And United came into this race with just an open
open eyes and I was like, hey, I made it
back to the to racing fit and healthy, and I
think that's more of a title I'll take take to

(01:21:11):
the grave then. Yeah, also the obviously the two one
hundred series, but you're really happy of just how everything's
gone as year.

Speaker 4 (01:21:17):
Do you feel pressure standing here? You look the most
calm measured man in Qatar? Do you did you feel
any pressure coming into today?

Speaker 13 (01:21:27):
It's hard to know because, like I just you just
prepare yourself so much and I love the pressure and
I love being hunted, and uh yeah, just just kind
of had to come in and with a smile on
my face. And obviously you know, pressure is good pressure,
of course, but I also love having it as well.

Speaker 5 (01:21:41):
And it really fires me up. And to be the
guy getting.

Speaker 13 (01:21:44):
Having a tiger on his back and having the ability
to control the race as well, So it's it's a
pretty like, yeah, it's a nice place to be for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:21:52):
Take us through then a bit by bit. I want
to start with the swim. It seems like your swim
is getting back to a place that that perhaps it
was before your accident.

Speaker 5 (01:21:59):
Is that fair? Yeah, it was, it was.

Speaker 13 (01:22:01):
It was a good swim. We're more or less we're
more or less close to the group, and I was
really happy with that. You know, thirty seconds coming on
to T two and you don't have a swimskin.

Speaker 5 (01:22:10):
Stuff to worry about that, which is nice.

Speaker 13 (01:22:12):
So yeah, I only took me a good few k
to get to the bike, but I know Rico was
behind me, which was a good thing because we know
he was going to come through and my teeth was.

Speaker 5 (01:22:21):
Going to be strong as well. And yeah, we just
kind of went off.

Speaker 13 (01:22:23):
The front and while that bike was hard, like yeah,
it was just on and off, on and off, and
got onto the run with obviously a nice gap with
the key runners of the competition and look back and
look like Rica.

Speaker 5 (01:22:35):
Was having a good day out there on the run
and I.

Speaker 13 (01:22:37):
Was like, I got to keep my wit side about me,
and obviously Morgan was having a stormer in the first
fifteen k and was able to hold on.

Speaker 2 (01:22:43):
That is Hayden Wild claiming the overall T one hundred
title this morning and cut up new stixt to two
and then some tennis for you.

Speaker 1 (01:22:52):
It's the only place to discuss the biggest sports issues
on and after fields. It's all on Windre and Sport
with Jason Vain on your Home of sport Us Talks two.

Speaker 2 (01:23:05):
I was seven. You heard that story in the news
about the World Cup tickets, the FIFA World Cup tickets
and the extortionate prices that are being charged for some
of these matches. Now, I know a lot of football
fans here are considering heading off to the World Cup
next year to follow the All Whites, given the fact

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that we know they're in LA and Vancouver for their
three group matches, direct flights and that sort of thing.
So what's the situation with tickets and things like that?
Around about this time tomorrow we will be able to
tell you We're going to be joined in studio at
around about this time tomorrow by Matt Fijos, founder of

(01:23:47):
Flying Kiweed, to the official All White Supporters group on
what the advice is for following the all whites at
the World Cup next year. So twenty four hours from now,
you're about to get all that information on text. Jason,
I heard you talk about people sitting in park to
listen to the show. Great idea, but please remind the

(01:24:10):
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do what I did last weekend and flatten the battery.
I felt really stupid.

Speaker 8 (01:24:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:24:19):
I mentioned that if you are out and about, you know,
in Christmas shopping mode, and somebody else's I guess you know,
driving the Christmas shopping as such, and you don't really
have a lot to contribute, then look, the invitation is
there for you to sit in the car and listen
to the show. You might find it, you know, more

(01:24:39):
enjoyable than trudging through a shopping mall. I don't know. Look,
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Speaker 14 (01:24:44):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:24:44):
I'm not going to tell you how to spend your
Saturday afternoon. But if you want to sit in your
car and listen, and you might look around the mall
car park and find others doing the same, then yeah.
But as the tech suggests, maybe just turn the engine
on occasionally just to make sure the battery doesn't go
flat Aeronnie Clark's on the show this hour. Pacifica. We'll
have a voice at the highest level of rugby governance

(01:25:05):
here New Zealand. Really really big news for the Pacifica
community this week that they will get this. It's the
New Zealand Pacifica Rugby Council. They've it's been approved by
New Zealand Rugby's voting members. The addition as an affiliated
body of New Zealand Rugby. What does this mean for
Pacific Island rugby? Or Ronnie Clarke on that. Nicholas Lamper

(01:25:28):
and along shortly tournament director of the ASB Classic. The
women's field is all but locked in and friend Scolie
CEO of Special Olympics New Zealand. It's been going on
all week the Summer Games in christ Church, including the
first ever event at the Patachyoti Center down in christ Church.
How's it been. Fran Scholly going to join us and

(01:25:49):
a sporting chants this hour as well. So lots to
get through your calls and correspondence continue to be welcome.
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty for phone calls,
nine two ninety two for text messages. But nine and
a half past two is the time. Let's not Dilley
Deally any longer. Time to catch you up on the
things that may have escaped your attention over the last
little while. A selection of sport that you may have missed,

(01:26:13):
in case you missed it. Starting in the NFL, an
upset win for the Atlanta Falcons over the Tampa Bay Buccaneers,
shaking up the NFC South Division.

Speaker 19 (01:26:24):
Those others, Bradley Pinion, behold it and the kick is
just inside the left upright.

Speaker 20 (01:26:36):
And there's a little celebraton going on as Charlotte North
Carolina right now. This puts the Panthers in the driver's
seat for Norman in the NFC South.

Speaker 2 (01:26:48):
The Wellington Phoenix women have fallen to a late winner
in Perth in their latest A League women's match camp

(01:27:08):
with them in France, one nil. The final result Perth
glory over the Wellington Phoenix. No such problems for Auckland
FC and the men's comp. They've gone to the top
with a two to one away win over the Central
Coast Mariners and Gospel undred.

Speaker 4 (01:27:21):
Pounds scrap the top of the Armors.

Speaker 2 (01:27:23):
Now Brook Fines, Oh god, what ahead of from Cosgrove.

Speaker 4 (01:27:29):
We have spoken about him.

Speaker 2 (01:27:31):
That is out of absolutely nothing.

Speaker 5 (01:27:33):
Brook goes to the edge of the box.

Speaker 17 (01:27:35):
It's a wonderful delivery and the danger of Sam Cosgrove.

Speaker 2 (01:27:40):
What what ahead of that is?

Speaker 5 (01:27:41):
After a great delivery, Sam Cosgrove gets his.

Speaker 4 (01:27:43):
Board of the season.

Speaker 2 (01:27:45):
As we heard before the two o'clock news, Hayden Wilde
has claimed the T one hundred world title with a
big win and cut up much.

Speaker 4 (01:27:51):
He's been cool, calm and collected all year on the
T one hundred. The man has come back from the brink.
It's fair to say that injury being knocked off his
bike in Japan. He's a suitor hero, a suit of
human effort from this kiwi aply Hayden wild I'll see
one hundred world's Shoutyre.

Speaker 2 (01:28:12):
Incredible from Hayden wild And finally, at long last, Ryan
Fox has not been caught winning his own tournaments chasing
the Fox alongside Daniel Hillier.

Speaker 6 (01:28:22):
But here comes Hilliot up to the part. They just
have to knock this one in and the title is
there be Team Fox, Dan Helliott, easy as you like.
End of the whole and Team Fox take out the
Minookah fuel chasing the Fox twenty twenty five.

Speaker 1 (01:28:43):
When it's down to the line, you made a call
on eighty ten eighty Weekend Sports with Jason Hyne used talk.

Speaker 2 (01:28:50):
ZB twelve past two Nicholas Lampern from the ASP ten
X Classic in the moment but Chasing the Fox. The
Weekend Sport representative at Chasing the Fox was producer Andy McDonald.
How was it yesterday?

Speaker 21 (01:29:02):
It's very fun Piney calling me a representative as a
bit as a bit much.

Speaker 2 (01:29:06):
I don't know what you were there? You were there,
weren't you?

Speaker 21 (01:29:09):
I was the Weekend Sport at ten day, shall we say,
as a fantastic day out? Actually I was there early.
There was a week corporate tournament beforehand, playing the same
six holes, so it gave me pretty interesting perspective on
actually how difficult that course the Royal England at the
Grange is, and and some of these pro sports people

(01:29:33):
that aren't golf is how good they are at more
sports than just the ones, the ones that they played professionally.
Is a very good day out. Though it's annoying, isn't it.
It's annoying and isn't it when sports people are good
at more than one thing? Mitchell Stanton has always been
a very good golf hasn't He was he there yesterday?

Speaker 5 (01:29:49):
He was there.

Speaker 21 (01:29:51):
I don't think he was initially meant to be playing
in that in the team cricket, but he was there.
I did note on a couple of holes, which is
almost incredible to say. I think there was definitely one
that he out drove Ryan Fox, which is I mean,
it was spraying a little bit more than than Fox.
He was, but it's still He's a seriously good golfer

(01:30:14):
and it's been well documented. But even just being able
to see I suppose that's the great thing about events
like this and the Black Clash, as you see them
outside of what they usually do, and it's quite a fascinating,
fascinating thing to watch. What about the crowds, big crowds,
heaps of people there, heaps of crowds there. There were
not too many spots actually, so it was quite a

(01:30:36):
loose sort of occasion, people people having to be ushered
by other members of the crowds to get off the
fear away. I recall a moment when she loves golfers
playing in the same group as the All Whites and
they had a big crowd they obviously drove a lot
further than the all whites, so they were they were
getting ready to play their shots, and then someone had

(01:30:57):
to tell them, Hey, the all whites are playing straight
through you guys, so you guys better get out of
the way. So yeah, it's like heaps of people there
as a great event, and you're sort of worth there
being no very few spotters and ushers, you could get
almost as close as close as you could possibly get,
sort of trampling on the green or in front of

(01:31:19):
in front of the players.

Speaker 2 (01:31:19):
Lie. Great event. Great event. Well unto Ryan Fox for
building into what it is. And you know there's there's
a fundraising element to it, of course, and an accessibility
that you've just outlined that is terrific. You know, what
a great time to have it to. A couple of
weeks out from Christmas. The weather was good there yesterday.
Did you apply plenty of sunscreen you've come away unscathed? No, Yeah,

(01:31:40):
I'm a I'm a zinc ware a pioneer, so.

Speaker 21 (01:31:44):
Religiously you reapply sunscreen and get make sure I'm zincd
up to the brim. So now I I was safe
as from the sun, from not from bad golf though,
because that was it was the first I'll tell you
the we tail of the first hole where I piped
my drive straight up the middle of the fairway, but
they were just so having a bunker right in the middle.

(01:32:05):
And then what Eric Murray play that same hole a
few hours later and he sent it twice the distance
I did, thinking, oh, okay, maybe pro golf isn't for me.
If this non pro golf is sending it twice the
distance of me, well, it does have very big shoulders
Eric Murray. You know he's got a bit of power. Look,
no man I think is going to improve your driving unfortune.

(01:32:27):
And I think me complaining is a man that doesn't
really go to the gym, workout or do any golf training.
About me not being that good at golf. I really
have nothing to complain about.

Speaker 2 (01:32:35):
All right. Well, it's a great rap. Thank you for
rapping us so well there yesterday at Chasing the Fox,
and congratulations to everybody involved. It's a terrific event. A
former Grand Slam tennis champion meantime and previous winner of
the ASB Classic will both return to the women's field,
and twenty twenty six American Sloan Stevens is one of
the four wild cards for the tournament, alongside seven time

(01:32:57):
Grand Slam champion Venus Williams, British star Katie Bolter and
yet to be determined Kei we. The field is headlined
by Ukraine's Elena Spittelina and American Emma Navarro. They are
fourteenth and fifteenth respectively in the current WTA World rankings.
The tournament runs from January five to eleven, and is

(01:33:18):
immediately followed by the men's tournament, of course through until
January seventeen. Tournament director Nicholas lamper And is with us
on Weekend Sport. Nicholas, congratulations on the women's field. It
looks great. Are you happy with it.

Speaker 12 (01:33:30):
We're all extremely happy about the field that we've We've
managed to put together. You know, every time we start
from a blank page, and it's always a bit of
a challenge to kind.

Speaker 9 (01:33:40):
Of bring the players that we have in mind.

Speaker 12 (01:33:44):
I think the draw that we have is a good
reflection of you know, some established players who've been you know,
regularly in the top ten. You know, players like Elena's
Vitulina or em and Avaro. You know, world famous name
like Venice Williams, but also the young generation with the

(01:34:04):
likes of Ala Yovic or Yennistin.

Speaker 2 (01:34:09):
Yeah, I want to ask about those younger players. The
ASP Classic has a great reputation of providing opportunities for
promising young players that go on to find success in
their careers. The likes of Cocoa Golf and Bianca andrei Escu.
Tell us a bit more about some of the younger
players that we can look forward to saying this year.

Speaker 12 (01:34:28):
Yeah, I mean, we're always really proud to say that.
You know, those players started in Auckland and it was
the very first step of the big journey to the
top of the rankings. So we scout them twelve to
six months ahead of the tournament, and this year we
decided to go for Iva Yovich. You know, she made

(01:34:49):
some really good results on the tour. She was aged
seventeen and she managed to win a first DA five
hundred tournaments. So she's only eighteen and she's coming to
open for the first year. The second one is Alexandra Aerla.
She left the Philippines at a young age age when
all the ways to Spain. Basis herself in Majoca at

(01:35:11):
the RAF Underdeal Academy, also one of the first tournament
this year, and you know, very very talented lefty and
already a huge star in the Philippines. First time ever
that the Philippines have a player ranked within the top fifty,
and the last one is Jennistien a bit of a
different story. Decided to go to college first, you know,

(01:35:32):
just to become a bit stronger, get more experience, and
she went from being unranked a year ago to being
now a top fifty player in the course of the
last twelve months, which is a remarkable achievement.

Speaker 2 (01:35:46):
Look forward to seeing those young players in action. I
guess at the other end of the experienced scale. Venus
Williams back for her seventh appearance at the ASP Classic.
How much interest does she still generate for you?

Speaker 9 (01:35:59):
Venus is huge.

Speaker 12 (01:36:01):
You don't know how much pressure I get from the
people of the office to sign sever year. It's really
the the player that everybody wants to see year after year.
This year was a little bit different because she had
been off for a while and we were not really
quite sure about what the plants were going to be.
And then over the summer she gave us communication that

(01:36:24):
she was back and that she wanted to play some
more so after witnessing the level that she displayed in
the US, we decided to go after her and then
we managed to secure a participation.

Speaker 2 (01:36:38):
Elena Spittelina and Emmanavro fourteenth and fifteenth in the world currently.
How happy you, Nicholas would that pair as your top
two seats.

Speaker 12 (01:36:47):
I think it's great to have bought the number fourteen
and number fifteen. Last year the top seed was many
some keys and she was, if I remember correctly, twenty
one in the world, so it's an improvement from last
year the top fifteen player. But at the same time,
they spent a lot of time in the top ten
and I feeling this is where they belongs. So for

(01:37:08):
them to be in Auckland in week one, I think
it creates the perfect pathway to start the season strong,
be ambitious and do well for the rest of the
season and the.

Speaker 2 (01:37:20):
Weak town New Zealanders in the field. Lulu Sun qualifying
directly under her world ranking. Now that allows a second
keywa to compete as a confirmed wild card. How much
of a booster is that to you? To know that
there's going to be two keyways involved in the women's tournament.

Speaker 12 (01:37:34):
Well, we always want to have as many key as
possible in the draw, you know, we in the Zilearn
and obviously people want to see.

Speaker 9 (01:37:41):
The locals do well.

Speaker 12 (01:37:44):
Lulu had a strong finish which gave us the opportunity
to enter directly on ranking, and at the same time
it opens an opportunity for another World CUD to qualify.
So there's a race system in place which is based
on results over the last twelve months. Two more tournaments

(01:38:06):
to play, one this week in Hamilton, another one in Papamoa,
and once those tournaments are over will have a better
indication who will be the player eligible for that last WORLDOUD.

Speaker 2 (01:38:18):
We'll look forward to seeing who that second key we is.
Beyond the women's tournament the men's tournament of course, and
great news this week you've confirmed the return of Casper
Route for the men's tournament. We've seen him here but
it was almost a bit of a not a non event,
but conditions conspired against you last time Casper was here.
How significant to have them coming back for you though.

Speaker 12 (01:38:41):
Yeah, I mean Casper came last time in twenty twenty three.
Was a bit of a sad situation whereby we had
a lot of rain, he had to play indoor, it
was late at night, and no one got a chance
to see him. I think at the time he had
just played the final of the US Open. He was
number two and number three in the world, so it
was a real shame for our fans not to be

(01:39:03):
able to see him play on court. So it was
always in the back of my mind that I would
like him to return one day, and I'm super happy
that we managed to get it done for twenty twenty six.

Speaker 2 (01:39:15):
And of course we had news a couple of months
ago of government investment into a roof on Center Court
at your venue there at Stanley Street, possibly as early
as as twenty twenty seven. We wait to see how
much confidence, though, will that give you moving forward in
terms of the tournament, the pliers you're going to track,
and security that the roof will give you in terms
of weather conditions.

Speaker 12 (01:39:36):
It's crucial for us to have an infrastructure and a
stadium that is up to the standards. This year we
started a lot of renovation around the venue by extending
sent court, by replacing one of the stands, increasing the
capacity of the stadium. And then the second step will
be to have the roof on, so we almost there

(01:39:58):
in terms of funding, which is waiting a final confirmation,
which I'm being told should happen very very soon. And
you know, once we have this new facility in place,
it's really going to help us deal with the conditions.
We know they can be very wet or very windy
in Auckland and sometimes it gets stuck in players of minds.

(01:40:20):
So for us to be able to tell players that
now in the conditions are going to be ideal will
help us to continue to bring the top ten of
the future.

Speaker 2 (01:40:32):
Very exciting times and ticket sales no doubt going well
for this year's or early twenty twenty six with the
women's field confirmed now some exciting names and the means
tickets will be We're going well.

Speaker 5 (01:40:43):
No doubt.

Speaker 12 (01:40:45):
Yeah, ticket sales are going extremely well. Were a couple
of thousands above what we had last time at the
same period, So extremely happy. We still have some tickets available,
but it's going really, really really well.

Speaker 2 (01:41:01):
Great to hear, great and hear in the next all
of this organizing all of these tennis players on the tournament,
you spend a bit of time at go Media Stadium
watching Auckland. If so as well you become a Black
Knights fan as well. I understand, yeah I do. I
do love my old trainesca. I come with my kids
as much as I can. We we big Liverpool fans

(01:41:23):
in the family, so.

Speaker 12 (01:41:25):
It's slightly different work, but it's nice to be able
to relate to a team locally. And last year actually
I invited your rookie psych Gi to the tournament, you
know when when now Musica was playing, so it was
great and then he came with I think Tommy Smith
came as well. He was, you know, taking photos with
immar Red Canoe and yeah, it was it was nice

(01:41:47):
to have the plays around.

Speaker 2 (01:41:49):
Nice connection, wonderful stuff. Nicholas again, thank you for chatting
to us. Well done on this awesome women's field. Look
forward to catching up again when the tournament draws closer.

Speaker 12 (01:41:57):
Yeah, my pleasure.

Speaker 9 (01:41:57):
Thanks very much.

Speaker 2 (01:41:58):
No, thank you, Nicholas, Nicholas Lampron. They're the tournament director
of the ASP Classics. So Sloan Stevens is coming back,
Venus Williams is coming back, British star Kadie Bolta, there'll
be another key We wildcard with Lulusun in the field.
On her ranking lend the Switzerlina and Emmenavaro the top
two seats fourteenth and fifteenth respectively in the current WTA

(01:42:19):
World rankings. The Women's tournament January five through eleven, then
the men's through until the seventeenth of January to twenty six,
when we come back to Ronnie Clark is with us
talking about a massive development in Pacifica rugby over the
past week.

Speaker 1 (01:42:35):
The Voice of Sport on your Home of Sport Weekend
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Speaker 2 (01:42:45):
It's two twenty nine. For the first time ever, Pacifica
will have a voice at the highest level of rugby
governance in this country. New Zealand Rugby Voting members this
week approved the edition of the New Zealand Pacifica Rugby
Council as an affiliated body of New Zealand Rugby. The
Pacifica Rugby Council will formerly hold two votes under the

(01:43:06):
New Zealand Rugby Constitution and represent the interests of Pacifica
Rugby in New Zealand at all levels of the game.
This initiative recognizes the immense contribution PACIFICA players, coaches, administrators,
volunteers and communities make to rugby here in New Zealand.
Let's bring in former all black and prominent voice in

(01:43:27):
Pasifica rugby and the PACIFICA community and proud someone and
Ironni Clark, IRONI thanks for joining us. How big our
development is this?

Speaker 8 (01:43:37):
Oh?

Speaker 18 (01:43:38):
Finally, this is a major game changer for Pacific especially
during due to the contribution of the speaker and rugby
across out your all and plus the legacy that it's
certainly added to the legacy of New Zealand to all
black Black being rugby over the years, and certainly the

(01:44:01):
contribution to Super NPC and FPC. It's a major It
really does give an opportunity for in this sense self
determination but also to continue to add to the legacy
of rugby in altiora.

Speaker 2 (01:44:15):
How long has advocacy for this been going on?

Speaker 18 (01:44:20):
Well, I think it's what's been really the greatest since
the launch of the Pacific Strategy, the New Zealand YPI
Pacific Strategy a couple of years ago. This is really
another step in the piece of creating and working collaboratively
with New Zealand Rugby as well so this is and
of course they're working and inclusiveness of the Pacific Advisory

(01:44:43):
Group has been a big part of this as well,
So that really has been a huge major work with
the Pacific Advisory and then onto the now the Pacific
Rugby Council as well. But I think just to probably
really to know, it's been very very in aligned with
the New Zealand Rugby Pacificare strategy and of course the

(01:45:06):
new Ye and Roggy strategy as well.

Speaker 2 (01:45:08):
So I mean it's a it's a wonderful thing that
we finally have reached this point. But moving forward now
on a day to day nuts and bolts, what does
this mean for pacifica rugby Well.

Speaker 18 (01:45:20):
I think there's the aspirations of Pacific over the years
and how we're able to begin to see it since
now we're well represented on the rugby field, but we
also can see looking at supporting Pacific and other non
playing roles in the game, certainly supporting the number of

(01:45:42):
coaches of Pacific coaches that can be in the game. Also,
when you think about referees, the need for more Pacific
referees and even at the governance tables as well. So
you think that how well and how much the contribution
of Pacific is on the field. But certainly now this
gives even more of a support and not just to
support here Pacific Ruby Heart all but certainly supporting s

(01:46:07):
Pacific rugby, especially in the Pacific, but also globally. It
connects us globally as well.

Speaker 2 (01:46:13):
Is there a data available or even anecdotal evidence on
what percentage of the New Zealand rugby community at all
levels is from Pacific communities.

Speaker 18 (01:46:23):
Yes, well, certainly we think about high performance and we
think about from the teams are black, we're looking at
thirty percent in certainly in the in the men's game.
If we think about now in the women's game at
high performance, there's even a higher percentage. And now we're
seeing of course at the NPC FPC levels at provincial unions,

(01:46:48):
we're seeing a lot more of numbers that are growing
in the game. There's obviously major areas where pacifica are
like except Auckland Wellington, but certain now we're seeing even
in heartland areas where we're seeing contributional Pacific in the
RC workers that are there, that are in and there
is whereas you know we've got we might have there

(01:47:10):
a region where there's a five hundred population that all
of a sudden you have an RC group that's here
and it's all of a sudden you got to tell
them of thousand population. And we're seeing this more and more.
But I suppose it really also begs the question that's
asked by some of our regions across our st orders, Hey,
how do we connect better with our specific population that
are growing here, so really being able then to develop

(01:47:34):
redevelopment in those areas and supporting our provincial unions, our
heartland unions as well to understanding how to connect better
as well, and especially in the cultural responsiveness spaces.

Speaker 2 (01:47:47):
And you alluded to it before, de Donnie, and you're right.
I mean, we marvel at the at the number, the
sheer number of PACIFICA players, not just in the elite
teams you've talked about, but right across the rugby pyramid.
But what about things like coaching and referee and do
you see that there's some work to do to create
obvious pathways in those areas?

Speaker 18 (01:48:06):
Certainly we have and I think that's it's certainly the strategy,
the Pacific strategy really really supports that. And so how
do we do that how do we begin to really
start to carve our parkways to encouraging our Pacific to
go down the path of coaching, to look at coaching
as even more as a as a career. Or now

(01:48:30):
we do have some obviously we've we've had some really
good people come through and so the more very very similarly,
I suppose with our Pacific communities, if we see more
of our people in those spaces like we did with
Sir Brian Williams years ago, it really does help Pacific
communities to recognize we can do the coaching, we can,
we see the need in the refereeing and so those

(01:48:53):
are sort of having those champions. Now we have we
have our first specific CEO in the in the heartland space.
So it's those sort of champions that really starts have
our communities aspirations to recognize what if they can do
what we can too. So you can see more in
the administrative areas as well. It helps to build programs

(01:49:17):
or pathways or we're collaboratively certainly with our provincial unions
building those those spaces and pathways for Pacific communities.

Speaker 2 (01:49:26):
If we go right down to junior numbers here, Honnie,
you know there are a lot of options for our
kids these days in Pacific communities and all communities, you know,
not just rugby, rugby, league basketball, other sports are the pastimes.
Is rugby still a popular choice for our for our
young people in the Pacific communities?

Speaker 18 (01:49:43):
And that's a really good question, Painty. I mean, you know,
it's and it's not just you know, it's not just
our Pacific communities. Parents are also worried and concerned about
the contacts and the collision and the whole focus around
own concussions. So they're thinking about what other pathways for
their their son or for their daughter as well. So

(01:50:04):
I mean, we've got it. We've got to to make
and focus on the safety of our game. So some
key thing areas there so and it really is. So
we just got to continue to think about some of those.
I think a lot more I suppose ways to ensure
that we can have more about Pacific. We have the

(01:50:25):
biggest specific population here in New Zealand and particularly in Auckland,
So how do we really encourage to courage our numbers
to continue to play the game. Because you're right, there
are so many other laws to other codes and other sports.
But how do we continue so that Pacific continues to
add to the legacy of New Zealand rugby.

Speaker 2 (01:50:45):
It's great to have the Pacific A Rugby Council formalized
as representing the interests of Pacifica Rugby in New Zealand
at all levels of the game. It's a wonderful piece
of news just before Christmas. Ronnie, thank you so much
for joining us today. All the best to you and
your family for a RESTful holiday season.

Speaker 18 (01:51:01):
Thanks finally, really appreciate it to you.

Speaker 2 (01:51:03):
Thanks so much now, thank you for joining us, Ronnie.
Ironic Clarke so New Zealand Rugby voting members this week
approving the addition of the New Zealand Pacifica Rugby Council
as an affiliated body of New Zealand Rugby. What are
we coming up? Twenty two to three We will go
to christ here shortly for the Special Olympics, a massive
event happening down there. Franzcoli, CEO of Special Olympics New

(01:51:26):
Zealand to join us before three o'clock. But I think
it's time, isn't it to play a sporting chance with
the tab. If you are new to this, I'm going
to offer you the choice of three bets short, evens
or long. You decide which one you want. We will
place a one hundred and fifty dollars bonus bet on
your behalf, and if the one you choose comes home,

(01:51:49):
the winnings minus the initial one fifty, of course, are
all yours. All you have to be is over eighteen
and that's it. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.
If you would like to play a sporting chance.

Speaker 1 (01:52:03):
The Big Issues on and after Fields Call eighty ten
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New Zealand's most trusted home Milder news Talk Baby, It's
time for a spawning chance thanks to TV.

Speaker 2 (01:52:21):
Yes, it is eighteen to three. Pretty simple concept. Really,
Jake is going to join me on the air in
just a second. I'm going to give Jake three options short,
evans and long. He's going to choose one. We'll place
a one hundred and fifty dollars bonus bet if it
happens the outcome that is, he'll take the winnings. Good
I Jake, how are you mate?

Speaker 14 (01:52:42):
By me?

Speaker 8 (01:52:42):
I'm good?

Speaker 18 (01:52:43):
How are you very good?

Speaker 2 (01:52:44):
Thanks?

Speaker 9 (01:52:44):
Mate?

Speaker 2 (01:52:45):
You understand the concept. I'll give you three options, you
choose one.

Speaker 18 (01:52:49):
Oh simple concept. Yep, got it.

Speaker 2 (01:52:52):
I thought by the hesitation you you hadn't quite grasped it.
I'm glad you have all right, mate, here we go
short the is it too late to save the season special?
It's Premier League Liverpool against Brighton Liverpool. To win that game,
it's paying a dollars sixty eight you would win one
hundred and two dollars. That is your short, Evans. The

(01:53:15):
just in time to save the season special breakers Basketball
they take on Southeast Melbourne Phoenix tonight. The bet is
the margin. The breaker is to win by one to ten.
It's paying four dollars forty. You would win five hundred
and ten dollars. That is your evens Okay, yep, and

(01:53:36):
long back to the Premier League the could this be
the day they ruin their season special Arsenal against Wolverhampton Wanderers.
Wolverhampton Wanderers to win, it's paying sixteen dollars you would
win two thousand, two hundred and fifty. So Liverpool to
beat Brighton to win one hundred and two. The breaker

(01:53:58):
is to beat Southeast Melbourne by one to ten to
win five hundred and ten or Wolves to beat Arsenal
to win two two hundred and fifty dollars. Which one
do you like?

Speaker 18 (01:54:09):
Well, not much of a footballer, so I'm going to
go to Breakers.

Speaker 8 (01:54:12):
Go on.

Speaker 2 (01:54:12):
It's actually a good bet that I was looking at
it thinking that feels good to me too. So the
Breakers to beat the Southeast Melbourne Phoenix tonight by one
to ten. You would pocket five hundred and ten dollars if.

Speaker 9 (01:54:22):
They do that, And that would be so useful right now.

Speaker 2 (01:54:27):
Or at any time, Jake, but particularly right now, mate,
particularly right now, good Man, good Man, Hey, hold there,
and he's going to make sure he's got all your details.
We'll place the bet. Let's hope the Breakers win by
one to ten for their sake and for yours, you'd
win five hundred and ten dollars. We'll do it all
again next week for the last time this year. In fact,
thanks to our mates at the tab as always, please

(01:54:47):
bet responsibly. The Special Olympics National Summer Games kicked off
in christ Church on Wednesday. They run through until tomorrow.
Over twelve hundred athletes, over five hundred coaches and eight
hundred volunteers, the biggest sports event this year in christ Church.
It's also the first ever event to take place at

(01:55:07):
the brand new Partacky or the Sports Center in christ yet.
So it's been quite a few days. CEO of Special
Olympics New Zealand is Franz Scoli who joins us now, Gay,
fran how has the week been?

Speaker 8 (01:55:19):
Oh?

Speaker 22 (01:55:19):
It has been a buzz here.

Speaker 23 (01:55:21):
I tell you there is a lot going on.

Speaker 22 (01:55:23):
We've got a lot of support and it's just.

Speaker 23 (01:55:26):
A great vibe.

Speaker 2 (01:55:27):
Tell us about how far and wide the athletes have
come from to come to christ Church for this event.

Speaker 22 (01:55:33):
Yes, so as far as the Bay of Island and
all the way down in Nicago. So we've got forty
two clubs participating here at the National Summer.

Speaker 2 (01:55:42):
Game and across a variety of different sports. Frank, can
you give us an insight into some of the sports
that these athletes are competing?

Speaker 1 (01:55:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 23 (01:55:51):
Absolutely.

Speaker 22 (01:55:51):
Our most popular sport is tenpin bowling, followed by swimming
and then one of our team sports basketball, but we
also do indoor bowls, botchy, equestrian golf, football and act.

Speaker 2 (01:56:07):
This feels like quite a big logistical exercise for you
and your team. How much planning goes into pulling an
event like this together.

Speaker 22 (01:56:16):
Yeah, so we don't have a very big team, but
it's been about eighteen months worth of planning and we've
had to be really flexible in terms of PARTA cide building,
getting into do some testing for our swimming and basketball
that's being held here, but also our Healthy Athletes program,
So huge acknowledgment to the National Summer Games Events team,

(01:56:36):
but also our clubs and our volunteers that have allowed
us to get to where we are today.

Speaker 2 (01:56:42):
Parto Ciorti is brand new in Christich, isn't it the
new sports center which has an aquatic part of it,
but also you know, courts, et cetera. Am I right
in saying friend that this is the first event that
has used part of Chiorti.

Speaker 22 (01:56:56):
We are the first event, and our athletes have absolutely
loved it.

Speaker 23 (01:57:01):
They love the fact that they are the.

Speaker 22 (01:57:02):
First swimmers or basketball live participating at part.

Speaker 5 (01:57:06):
Of What is it like there?

Speaker 2 (01:57:07):
I had a chance to walk through earlier in the
year and it was sort of getting its finishing touches.
I was amazed by what's it been like, you know,
in a sense of actually being functional for an event
like this.

Speaker 23 (01:57:20):
Yeah, it's actually really, really, really well done.

Speaker 22 (01:57:23):
So we've worked really closely with christ Roup City Council
and it's just a hub of activity. The way in
which I laid it out, the entrances, the exits, how
to get from different floors to viewing platforms.

Speaker 2 (01:57:35):
It's just phenomenal, amazing. Now I saw some really cool
social media of your opening ceremony at Wolfbrook Arena starring
the absolutely magnificent Jason Gunn the other night.

Speaker 5 (01:57:46):
What was that like?

Speaker 22 (01:57:47):
Yeah, five thousand people get into that arena. Five thousand, yes,
And I tell you what, our athletes absolutely loved it.
So we had yeah, as I said, five thousand people
in the arena, we had some dancing, we had some singing,
we had obviously our athletes marching out representing their clubs. Yes,

(01:58:12):
we had Jason Garn and we also had our amazing
MC our athletes from Canterbury.

Speaker 23 (01:58:18):
Sorry Andrew Oswyn.

Speaker 2 (01:58:20):
Amazing stuff. Now you mentioned before the healthy Athletes program.
I want to get a bit of more information on this.
What does that involve?

Speaker 22 (01:58:28):
Yeah, so Special Olympics really tries to wrap around our
wholder viewpoints.

Speaker 23 (01:58:34):
So we want to look after our house.

Speaker 22 (01:58:36):
So essentially what we're utilizing is we're bringing house to
our athletes. So we've got six feet so you can
come in and get your feet checked and then sure
you've got the right shoes and the right ethotics and
those sorts of things. We've also got our smiles activation,
so that's a dentists that are checking out the teeth.
We've got our hearing. We've also got our optometry so

(01:58:59):
all of our eyes and the amazing partners that we
have actually gifts to our athletes any prescription glasses so
just general were but also any competition glassware as well.
And then our last one is actually Strong Lines, which
is really important. And Scott Barret's did an amazing speech
at our opening ceremony and what really resonated around that

(01:59:22):
was he talked about nervous pressure and energy that he
feels before the game. And I've heard so many of
our accepts be like, just remember what Scott said, And
so that builds really nicely into that Strong Lines program
that we run as well.

Speaker 2 (01:59:38):
Absolutely standing the Healthy Athletes program is that driven by
the fact that that typically, you know, some athletes with
intellectual disabilities don't complain if something's not quite right with
their teeth or their hearing all their side or they
don't get regular checks.

Speaker 22 (01:59:51):
Yeah, I would change the thumb to the majority. And
so that's why it's incredibly important to ensure that they
get the screening so they then get referral so when
they go back home, then they can follow up.

Speaker 23 (02:00:05):
And get the necessary medical treatment that they need.

Speaker 2 (02:00:09):
So as you're sitting or standing, chairing, clapping watching these athletes, friend,
it must be I don't know, it just must be
incredibly heartwarming for you, is it to watch this all happen?
And you know, to have to beat the head of
an organization that makes something like this come together in
such impressive fashion.

Speaker 22 (02:00:27):
Yeah, I was in tears this morning, and so I
had a lot of athletes giving me hugs and high
fives and telling me it was okay, and I had
to explain to them that it was happy tears.

Speaker 23 (02:00:36):
We've got an employee with Special.

Speaker 22 (02:00:38):
Olympics, Mark, whose son Adam actually participates in there, and
we are following his story at the moment. But to
sum it up, Adams just started swimming. And when Adam
first started swimming, Mark, his dad needed to get into
the pool with him to help build the confidence. He
turned around before to Mark and said, Dad, I've got

(02:01:01):
this as he walked through the marshaling area and out onto.

Speaker 23 (02:01:04):
The swimming platform to race.

Speaker 22 (02:01:07):
It was just amazing and it's that confidence field that
we just cannot take for granted, and it's just one
of the key elements that sports can bring to anybody.

Speaker 2 (02:01:19):
And I'm not surprised for a few misty eyes for
prickly Ey's when it happened, and just one example of it.
Fran And I know it's a busy time, as I've
said across the weekend, you wrap up on Sunday. Look,
it's it's just an amazing event and I'm so pleased
we've had the chance to chat to you about it.
All the best for the rest of the weekend and
congrats to you and your team for pulling this together.

(02:01:40):
Oh thank you so much, No, thank you. Fran Franzcoli.
There she is the CEO of Special Olympics New Zealand.
A quite extraordinary event going on in christ Church, the
Special Olympics National Summer Games. Nine to three New Stalks.

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Speaker 2 (02:02:03):
MB sixty three. Well weekend Sports coming on extremely quickly.
I must say today, thank you so much for tuning in,
for listening in, for contributing to the show, and just
a quick word about tomorrow the Ashes straight after midday,
Jonathan Agg and you're going to join us, we'll talk
of a basketball, some more cricket, try and get you
inside the black Caps camp. What else have we got
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much information for you on that as we possibly can.
Thanks to Annie McDonald for producing us. Always off the
back of a long day at Chasing the Fox. Good
to have your backing up today. Mate. What's our exit song?

Speaker 21 (02:02:47):
Yeah, Piney, I know you do you do the birthdays
at the start, but I figured I'd go for one
more birthday. Amy Lee obviously lead singer of Evan Essence.
I don't know her age because you never you never
meant to ask a woman her age, but it's her
birthday today, so I've got Bring Me to Life by
Evan Insence to celebrate her birthday.

Speaker 2 (02:03:05):
It's a very good choice, A very good choice. Thanks Mite.
Enjoy your afternoon, See tomorrow, See tomorrow, Funks. I'm a
duck this time. I can't believe I'm gonna says, come

(02:03:26):
to the dock to it, not.

Speaker 14 (02:03:31):
To eathing for.

Speaker 24 (02:03:37):
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me way jo, I can't wait.

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