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July 30, 2025 29 mins

37signals' co-founders Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson are back behind the mic with host Kimberly Rhodes. This week, they’re discussing balancing personal interests, health, and hobbies with business success. They discuss building a healthy company without it taking over your life.

Key Takeaways:

  • 01:12 – Why business health is all about balance
  • 05:48 – The hidden cost of overcomplicating your business
  • 08:36 – Taking a closer look at how you're spending your time
  • 15:10 – Leaders should be available
  • 18:57 – The downside of over scheduling your days
  • 20:44 – Basecamp’s approach to requesting people’s time
  • 25:26 – Your outside interests don’t have to tie back to work

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