United Health Care Killer Found?

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good morning, Cooner. Contrary. Okay, my friends, it finally happened yesterday.
It took almost six days, but they finally captured what
the police law enforcement say is the alleged assassin, the
murderer who killed in cold blood on the streets of Manhattan,

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the United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson. He was caught in Altoona, Pennsylvania,
which is in eastern Pennsylvania. And we're still not getting
a complete picture. But here is now what we're starting
to find out. The suspect now that they have and
that the police say is clearly the killer. According to them,

(00:47):
they have charged him now in New York with the
murder of Brian Thompson, as well as on gun charges,
forgery charges, all kinds of other charges as well. Is
Luuig Mangioni. For some reason, the police keep referring to
him as Mangione. No, it's Mangioni. It's an Italian name. Obviously.

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He comes from a very wealthy, successful Italian American family,
a clan in Maryland, and more on his background information soon.
Luigi Mangioni, twenty six years old, was caught at a
McDonald's of all places, about maybe half a mile away

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from a bus station, a Greyhound bus station. He apparently
had made his way from Philadelphia, well down to Philadelphia,
from New York to Pittsburgh, and then out in eastern Pennsylvania.
What his ultimate destination was we still do not know,
but he was Adam McDonald's. He apparently ordered something to drink,

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was then re a laptop, and in order to drink
his drink, took his mask off, his medical mask and
that COVID nineteen mask. He took it off, and that's
when some of the customers looking at him said they
recognized his face from what they'd seen on television. They

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then told the McDonald's employee, that's the guy. I'm telling you,
that's the guy. The employee then called nine to one
one and according now to what law enforcement said yesterday
at their press conference, two police officers approached him at
the McDonald's. When they asked him had he been recently

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to New York, Mangione panicked, He began to shake intensely.
They knew right away they most likely had their man.
They asked him to remove his mask. When he removed
his mask, one of the officers said, I knew this
was a thousand percent confirmation. This was the guy I

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had seen his picture in the information that was sent
out to police all over the country. They then found
four fake IDs on him. He tried to pass off
a fake ID registered in New Jersey, a New Jersey
fake driver's license, to which the police said to him, son,

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do you really want to do this? You give us
fake ID, We're going to arrest you on the spot.
He then gave his real ID and the police asked,
why did you give us the fake ID, and that's
when he started to panic. They then said, can we
look into your backpack and he said yes. They found
a gun, they found a suppressor, They found apparently a

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two and a half page hand written manifesto. They found
it all on him. They arrested him on the spot.
They took him to the local police station and YPD
detectives came down immediately and now he is in custody.
According to police, he was very quiet, didn't put up

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much resistance, as I said, was nervous, began to panic.
Now here is what we know about Luigi Mangioni. Luigi
Mangioni appears from all the initial evidence that is now
coming out to be a left wing terrorist. I'm choosing

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my words now, very very carefully. He appears to be
an anti capitalist, anti corporate America, left wing, self described
political revolutionary. In particular, if you go through his social media,
he loaths and despises the healthcare industry and the the

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fact that they make so much money and that, as
he puts it, it's profit driven. He hates with a
passion healthcare, the private healthcare system. He's a big believer
in government run healthcare ala Bernice Sanders. And so he
is a left winger who also champions the cause of

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climate change. Now. He is a follower, apparently an acolyte
of Theodore Kazinski and his infamous unibomber manifesto, the Industrial
Society and its Future. And for those of you who
don't know who Kazinsky was, he was an infamous same

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thing left wing socialist terrorist who planted bombs mail bombs
in mailboxes for over a decade, killing three people, maiming
twenty three, saying that it was time now now for
eco terrorists like himself to take violent action or else

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the planet was doomed. Well, Mangioni had a fascination with
Kazinski and the Unibomber Manifesto and so on Goodreads. He
did a book review and this is what he wrote
about Kazinski. Quote, had the balls to recognize that peaceful

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protest has gotten us absolutely nowhere. And at the end
of the day, he's probably right. When all other forms
of communication fail, violence is necessary to survive. You may
not like his methods, but to see things from his perspective,

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it's not terrorism, it's war and revolution. And then he
would later praise Kazinski in the review as a political
revolutionary who did what needed to be done. Now, it
appears that over the last several months, according now to
family and friends, Luigi Mangioni became increasingly estranged, increasingly erratic.

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And what many are now asking is what turned this
man into a stone cold killer who would perform an assassination,
an execution of a healthcare CEO right on the streets
in midtown Manhattan, in front of the Hilton Hotel as

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Brian Thompson was on his way to a healthcare conference.
Let me just say this, the story has some personal
resonance with the Koonerman and the reason why I say
this is that I'm familiar with the Mangioni family in Maryland,
in particular in the greater Baltimore area. Why many years ago,

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at least fifteen, maybe sixteen, seventeen years ago, I went
to interview for a job, potential job as a talk
show host at the local affiliate there in Baltimore. It
was owned by Luigi Mangioni's grandfather, Nicholas Mangioni. And from

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having met people who knew him, everybody raved about Nicholas Mangioni.
To this day, I remember how well thought of he
was and how highly respected he was. He had ten children,
He was a proud Italian American. He came from nothing,
He came from poverty and built up a massive, impressive

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real estate empire, a huge country club, a resort, a spa,
even a nursing facility, a nursing home. They made, they did.
They were financially very well off. The grandfather himself lived
in a multimillion dollar mansion on the country club grounds.

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He ended up buying some local media. Was very pro life,
very Catholic, had ten children and of course many grandchildren.
Most of the Mangioni family are immensely successful. I'm talking
they are state lawmakers, Luigi Mangioni's own sister is a

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doctor who has a residence now in Dallas. His parents
were successful and our successful business people. He grew up
in a very lavish home eight hundred thousand dollars home
in Taos in Maryland. He went to one of the
most privileged elite schools for a private high school. All

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boys were tuition on the outskirts of Baltimore, where tuition
is forty thousand dollars a year. He was the valedictorian
of his class. He then went on to get an
Ivy League education, both a bachelor's degree and a master's

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degree in computer science and engineering. He then apparently got
a job and a good job at a software company
out in California. He also apparently spent some time in Honolulu, Hawaii. So,
on the one hand, here you have a twenty six

(10:38):
year old man born in luxury, born of privilege, who
had every opportunity given to him, who came from a wealthy, successful,
privileged family. What explains him going from that to becoming

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a murderer? Seven two six six sixty eight sixty eight
is the number. Okay, the healthcare the United Healthcare assassin
Luigi Mangioni has now been captured. He is has been arrested,
he's now been charged with the murder of CEO Brian Thompson.

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And let me just finish my thought, and then I
want to take as many calls as possible. Six one, seven, two, six, six,
sixty eight, sixty eight. Couple lines are open if you
want to jump on. So the question now to me is,
as I's laid out his background, this is a man
twenty six years old who has, as I said, came

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from privilege, a very wealthy father, very wealthy grandfather, very
wealthy family by all accounts, a very clean family, a
very respectable family, very successful family. He went to a
forty thousand dollars a year all boys Prep high school,
high school where he was the valedictorian. According to everyone

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who knew him, these are their words, not mine, he
was very smart, studious, athletic, social. He wasn't some hermit
or pariah or outcast, or someone who had known to
make violent outbursts, or quite the contrary. They said, he
was very very popular. Now they said, you know, he

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was a bit more on the serious, studious side. He
wasn't big into the bar party scene. As some at
the high school were. But they go, we all thought
he was going to be immensely successful. He clearly had
a very good grades. He went on to an Ivy
League education. He went to the University of Pennsylvania that's

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not cheap, and got a bachelor's degree, then a master's
degree in software, sorry in technology, forgive me, in technology
and engineering. By the way, he was a big believer
in AI. And then he ended up getting a good
job at a good company, software company out in California.

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So he's got a very good education, comes from a
you know, very privileged family, successful family. Everybody, even in college.
People are saying, no, I knew him in college. He
you know, he worked hard, he was studied, he got
very good grades. He was very committed to being successful.

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In fact, what they said, to be honest, they go,
if you want us to describe the guy, we thought,
you know, he was going to grow up to maybe
run a nonprofit one day. He was into social justice,
climate change, he was an anti woke, anti capitalist. But
we never thought this guy would become some kind of
a political terrorist or a political revolutionary. And then something changed.

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Something changed because he went down a very dark road
Now this is my theory. You may agree, you may disagree.
I think there are essentially two reasons from everything I'm
seeing now from his biography, friends, family members, he apparently
recently suffered a back or spinal injury. I don't know how,

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but he apparently suffered a spinal injury in which he
needed to have next spinal surgery. In fact, he made
such a big deal about it. He put the X
ray pictures of apparently his his broken spine or his
damn forgive me his damaged spine on his social media page.

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And he was obsessed with back pain and finding cures
for back pain. Now, did the constant back pain the
drugs that you take to try to take you to
alleviate the pain. Maybe he was rid by United Healthcare
because he felt they weren't helping him with his excruciating

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back pain. Now, I don't know. Is that what tip
this guy over the edge? I don't know. Maybe it's
a factor. I don't know. Family and friends do say
something changed in about the last three or four months.
He became estranged. He no longer kept in contact. They

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hardly knew where he was going. He began to wander.
Uh he wasn't friendly anymore, didn't want to didn't want
to know anybody, speak to anybody. He became very, you know,
very alone and wanted to be alone. And I think
the elephant in the room for the other reason is

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and I'm sorry, but to me, the evidence is is
is inexorable. I believe he was indoctrinated and radicalized at
the University of Pennsylvania. I can't read the evidence any
other way. When you keep peddling Marxism in the schools,
anti capitalism in the schools, which by the way, is

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a form of self hatred, to hate the very economic
system that has created the greatest standard of living in
the history of the world, there's something seriously wrong with you.
And that's when he started to fall in love with
Ted Kaczinski, and that's when he became obsessed with the unibomber.
And that's also where it was drummed into him about

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climate change, because if you read apparently according to the
police who've looked at his two and a half page manifesto,
he doesn't just rail against health insurance companies. He's going
on about how climate change we will all be a
ball of fire and the greedy corporations don't care, and

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we're all going to be dead. So to survive. He
puts it as animals need to survive, they have a
survi vival instinct. You need to kill. You need violence
to kill the people that will eventually get us all killed.
And that's the big healthcare CEOs, the big fossil fuel companies.

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And so he admired Kazinski and the unibomber to me, anyway,
just to finish my thought, and I want to go
to the phone lines again. Six one seven two, six
sixty eight, sixty eight. It seems to me it's obvious
that he was radicalized while he was in college. I
think there's no question about it. Now, you know, as

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that how far far was the radicalization, how far was
the indoctrination, I don't know. Was there certain professors or
a professor that had a profound influence on him, I
don't know, But I think there's no question that the
boy that everybody describes giving the you know, the valedictorian

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giving the keynote speech at high school graduation, with his
blazer and pie and a white flower in his lapel,
thanking his parents, thanking the faculty, talking about his pride
in the school and the need to marry tradition with
technological innovation. Is very different from the boy that emerged

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from university who was starting to quote radical Marxist philosophers
about how, for example, you know, is it's not healthy
for a well adjusted person to fit into a very
sick society. And he says our society is very, very sick,

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and that capitalism will destroy the entire planet, and that
climate change will consume all of us, and no one
has the guts or the courage to act, and that
these wealthy capitalists and industrialists are going to get us
all killed, and someone needs to take action. Violence must

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be done, as he wrote in one of his reviews
of some of these left wing Marxist books that he
was reading, that the only way change has ever been
done is through violence. Peaceful protests solve nothing. So you know,
he was an admirer of Alexandria Okazio Cortes. He was

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an admirer of Ted Kaczinski. He was an admirer of
Bernie Sanders. I mean, this was an act or this
is this man is a left wing revolutionary terrorist. And
if you just stand back objectively, what has been the

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central fact of our time. Forget what the media keeps
trying to lie about Trump and MAGA and there a
threat to democrace, No Black Lives Matter, Antifa, burning down
of Minneapolis, Kenosha, Seattle, Portland, everything that's been going on

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over the last four to five years, the rise of
the support for Hamas, anti Semitism, pro Palestinian, pro Hamas
terrorism that you see in our college campuses. What you're
seeing now is the rise of a violent radical left,

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a revolutionary pro terrorist radical left that fuses nihilism and socialism.
And that's essentially Luigi Mangioni in a nutshell. You know,
he was essentially a trust fund baby who became a
trust fund communist or a trust fund Marxist, or a

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trust fund radical environmentalist, however you want to put it,
however you want to phrase it. Now, let me just
say a few other things, and then I want to
open up the phone lines. By the way, agree, disagree?
Do you think he is an eco terrorist in the
mold of Ted Kazinski. Do you think he is an
anti capitalist, woke terrorist in the mold of Antifa or

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Black Lives Matter? Because that's what it's now starting to
appear to be, but you may disagree, and I want
to invite people to call in six one seven two
six ' six sixty eight sixty eight. What I find
I have a hard time wrapping my mind around and
making sense of is, On the one hand, you see

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a guy who had insider knowledge of Brian Thompson's schedule.
He knew he was going to go to the Hilton
Hotel for that specific conference. First of all, he knew
that he was going to New York from Minneattan, Minnesota
to attend that conference. How did he know that that
he was then staying at a different hotel and that

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he was going to go to the Hilton at six
forty five approximately to go into a conference that was
going to start an hour later. How did he know
the intimate details of Brian Thompson's schedule and that he
was then waiting for him, staking out the hotel, knowing
exactly what door he was going to come in, and

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then coolly, calmly, like a professional, murder him in cold blood,
two shots from the back, the gun jams, he unjams
his handgun and then puts one more into him and
apparently inscribing on the casings Depose Defend Deny, which is

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linked to a twenty ten book that rails against the
health insurance companies. He then makes a lightning disappearance. I'm
just giving you the objective facts, takes an e by,
runs down an alley, takes an e bike and disappears
into Central Park with the backpack, changes his clothes and

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almost goes into thin air. Almost a perfect escape, and
they can't find him for six days. They find him
in Pennsylvania and in Eastern at Pennsylvania Altoon in Pennsylvania.
So on the one hand, you have almost a perfect execution.
Now I know he had a water bottle. He went
to Starbucks. He was flirting with the girl there. That's

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when he removed his mask, and that caught an image
of his face which they used against him to eventually
catch him and track him down because it was that
image that people saw, and it's what the customer saw
at McDonald's when they saw him, and they went to
the McDonald's worker saying, that's the image. That's the guy
we've been seeing on TV. So he made mistakes, there's

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no question, But the fact of the matter is that
was a well planned, well executed assassination. And then he's
riding around on Route eighty between Pittsburgh and Philadelphia, and

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then he's caught at a McDonald's being so sloppy. He's
a small town. Everybody said he stood out like a
sore thumb. Nobody there wears masks, he's got his medical
mask that he's nervous. That everyone said there was something
off about him, that's why they were suspicious and eventually

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called the police. Then the police come and this guy
is so stupid that he has the very gun and
the suppressor the silencer that was used on him with
a two and a half handwritten page manifesto trying to
mimic Ted Kazinski, basically an I did it manifesto. He

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doesn't think to get rid of the gun, he doesn't
think to get rid of the suppressor. So on the
one hand, you almost see flashes of brilliance in an
evil way, obviously in the execution, in the assassination of
Brian Thompson. But then on the other hand, he's almost
childishly stupid, childishly stupid. Just there's something about this that

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just still doesn't quite make sense or am I missing something?
So let me ask all of you. Number one, do
you believe this was an act again of radical left
wing terrorism? Are we now looking at a revolutionary, extremist,

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violent left that continues to commit terrorist acts after terrorist acts,
whether it's Black Lives Matter, whether it's Antifa, whether it's
you run down the whole list, now it's this, it's
Luigi Mangioni. And number two, what do you make of
the discrepancy between the assassination and how well planned it

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was and how this guy almost wanted to be caught,
wanted to be caught with all the evidence on him.
Now many on social media, I have to just address
that believe that he's a patsy. They're saying that the moment,

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and I got to say this the moment I heard
several days ago that the FBI now got involved in
the investigation. I swear to you my first reec on No, why, why,
why can't you just leave it to the NYPD? No, no,
please don't get involved. I'm begging you please now, because

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the FBI has gotten involved, and you know, I mean,
they have a law history of planting evidence of false flags.
I mean, that's just how the FBI rolls. Do you
think this guy is a patsy personally, I don't. I'll
be honest with you, but if you do, I want
to hear from you. Do you think that he was

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He's not the shooter, but he's the convenient fall guy
or the convenient scapegoat. And do you think he had
help or did he do this all alone? Okay, I
just want to go to the phone lines. But here's
the last piece of the puzzle. And again, you tell
me if you think this now paints an accurate or

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truthful portrait. So apparently now and this is from multiple
people who knew him and close friends, They said that
starting at about twenty twenty one twenty twenty two, he
began to change, and what changed was his chronic back pain.
They said that it hung over everything that he did,

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that his personality began to change. Apparently, it affected his
romantic life, It affected his personal life, it affected his
social life. That he was often in a very bad mood,
he was often angry. It was chronic pain that he
just couldn't resolve. And so finally in late twenty twenty two,

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twenty twenty two, just before twenty twenty three, he decided
to go back. He was staying for a while in
Honolulu in Hawaii, and he decided to go back to
the mainland to have back surgery, and that's when apparently
he posted photos of his spinal X ray and is
injured back. And they said he tried to come back

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to Hawaii, but he left again after a couple of months,
and apparently this fusion spinal surgery did not alleviate or
stop his chronic pain, and they said he then he
just dropped off the radar. They said it was about
six months ago that he just literally dropped off the radar.

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He was no longer answering anyone's texts, picking up phone,
the phone calls, and that's when also he began to
really rail about his own anxiety and problems with mental health,
that the pain was becoming overbearing, and that's when he
began to become more dark, more violent, more angry. And then,

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just to give you an example, one person said, look,
here's the text sorry I wrote to this I wrote
him on x just three months ago. Hey man, I
need you to call me, meaning MANGIONI. I don't know
if you are okay or just in a super isolated place,
but I haven't heard from you in months. You made

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commitments to me for my wedding, and if you can't
honor them, I need to know so I can plan accordingly.
Then this was just what is it? A couple weeks ago?
I mean sorry, over a month ago? My bad. A
month ago. October thirtieth, another close friend said, hey, are
you okay? Nobody has heard from you in months, and

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apparently your family is looking for you. So one of
the reasons, if you're looking for motives is I don't know.
Maybe United Healthcare denied him coverage for his back surgery.
Maybe he wanted some kind of experimental treatment because they
you know, his chronic back pain was getting worse and worse,

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and that's why he began to lash out at healthcare companies.
So the only two possible explanations are the chronic back
pain and the spinal surgery, which did not work and
may explain his hatred and hostility for the medical establishment

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and in particular for big healthcare, and of course his
radicalization and Marxist indoctrination at the University of Pennsylvania. Now
there's no question about it. If this guy was a
supporter of Donald Trump, if he was a conservative, if
he was Maga his political affiliations and worldview would be everywhere.

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It would be wall to wall coverage the fact that
this guy is a radical leftist pro Alexandria Casio Cortez,
pro Bernie Sanders, who went on about climate change and
how it's going to get us all killed, and how
big healthcare is killing Americans literally, and how we need

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to take up and strike a blow to save the
planet and save lives before it's too late, and that
we now need to embrace left wing political violence. Notice
the media now is not interested in his story anymore. Now,
it's just like it never happened. It just literally fell
off the radar. So Cantifa, like Black Lives Matter, here

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is another instance of left wing political extremism, violence and terrorism,
and the media is trying to cover it up. Agree, disagree?
All right, let's go to the phone lines. Dave in Pennsylvania.
Thanks for holding Dave, and welcome.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
Good morning, Jeff.

Speaker 3 (32:22):
I hope you had a wonderful Thanksgiving and a blessed holiday.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
I did, I did, Dave, and I'm happy that you called.
Since you are ours to me, you're our Pennsylvania correspondent,
I know, especially Western Pennsylvania is your beat, But you're
o Pennsylvania correspondent. He was captured in your state, in Altoona,
eastern Pennsylvania. Josh Shapiro was there at the press conference

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yesterday the governor, and I'm just curious, what do you
make of this guy and what do you think set
him off?

Speaker 3 (32:53):
Jeff, I think you hit the nail on the head
to steal a little up under from your morning intro.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
He's a left wing terrorist, Jef.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
Of course, you don't expect the New York Times or
the other liberal media have a saying that, And Jeff,
I think, to believe it or not, behind the scenes,
the media is playing a.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
Bigger role because you know, they're.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
Putting down the Daniel Tenney Daniel Penny verdict.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
You know, not because Zoud's marine.

Speaker 3 (33:16):
But I'm just saying he defended himself and say the
leaves of people on the train, and because it didn't
go their way, that's why they're pushing that agenda instead
of reporting about this kid. But Jeff, remember the answer
I I sent you over the weekend from the book
that I'm reading, Jeff.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
And again, I'm not meaning to make it about me, but.

Speaker 3 (33:34):
Jeff, this was like a prophetic book, it's called The Gospel.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
According to New York Times by Bill.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
Parker, William Parcter and Jeff this was already foretold how
the media pushes a certain agenda, you know, like global warming,
which of course me and you know it doesn't exist. Jet,
It's a falsehood. I mean, I do believe in recycling
and going green there, but global warming to me is
just another left wing agenda like people like idiots like

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this kid picked.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
Up you know what I mean. So that's just my
humble opinions.

Speaker 3 (34:05):
Yet, but I think the media had a big The
media always has a bigger role in it because they
like to push an agenda like the book i'm reading
told told you and if I don't know if you
agree with the m chep I sent you, but it's
kind of like it was almost war told because that
book was written by in the late nineties, step before
the Y two K.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
Interesting, Dave, you know you, I know you've made this
point to me before on Messenger and other areas where
you said, Jeff, look at how the universities, especially the
elite universities, are just turning out pro Hamas, pro has Belah,
pro Islamist terrorist sympathizers. Well, now it appears, at least

(34:49):
according to everything I'm reading, the University of Pennsylvania now
turned out another at Ted Kazinski two point zero, a
unibomber two point zero. They turned out a Marxist revolutionary terrorist.
Our college campus is now becoming breeding grounds for left
wing terrorists in the United States.

Speaker 3 (35:12):
Like I made, Jeff, to add to your point, the
October seventh attacks, and then all of a sudden at
a Habard University of all the Ivy League rules, we
saw these left wing protesters.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
Of course anti.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
Israeli because there's reels our rally, and there are real democracy,
not a democracy like the Democrats push but and there
are close buddy, Jeff. And then also it's biblical, going
back to times of Abraham. I don't mean to get
off the subject, but it was foretold in the Book
of Genesis. Whoever turns on the people of Abraham, which
meant the Jewish people, God's going to punish them twofold.

(35:46):
So not because I'm a fear of God. I love God,
but Jeff, I try to be a good Christian involved
with the Bible says, and I support is the only
matter what but not to get off on a tangent
jet but not You're one hundred percent right, Jeff. It's
a breeding ground of evil.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
Jet.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
We don't tend our kids to school to get to learn,
to get indoctrinated, and.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
That's I fear that's what happened to this kid. I
mean again, if people disagree with me, I'd love to
take your calls and hear your point of view. But Dave, look,
that's to me. I can't read the evidence. And now
I think the spinal surgery and the back pain, the
chronic back pain, clearly had an effect. I mean there's
no question. I mean, people who knew him say he
just began to change over the years and get worse

(36:27):
and worse because it just was like a shadow. It
just haunted him. He couldn't, you know, apparently had a romantically,
couldn't do anything socially personally, he felt he could just
lay in bed all day. He was on painkillers, couldn't function,
and that just made a more bitter, frustrated and angry.
So I think that's clearly a component, There's no question.

(36:49):
But Dave, in the end, he went to college, he
was relatively sane and normal. He comes out of college.
He's a flaming Marxist revolutionary who's talking about the glories
of violence and political terrorism and war. To me, you
got to look at the university and, as you put it,
the indoctrination. Dave as always, thank you very much for

(37:11):
that call. Am I wrong? Six one seven two six
six sixty eight sixty eight? Larry? Is it Michigan? Larry
in Michigan. Thanks for holding Larry, and welcome.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
Enjoy your show. Hey, you mentioned Kazinski.

Speaker 4 (37:28):
Yes, I had the I was fascinated by Kazinsky's manifest
I read it a couple of times in fact, and
and it's ironic.

Speaker 5 (37:39):
This kid completely misinterpreted Kazinski. Kazinsky hated the liberal university system.
He was He left that system because of the liberalism
within the university system. He explained, the liberal mind and
the low self esteem a liberal follower has. Uh and

(38:02):
ironic so so in fairness and in all due respect, Jeff,
he it wasn't Kazinsky was anti university, was anti that system,
and that's.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
Why he left. Later.

Speaker 5 (38:15):
Uh, he was anti technology, and Uh, the reason he
he started doing what he did, It's my understanding the
reason he started doing what he did is because he
wanted the attention, UH of his manifesto, because I think Kazinski,
quite frankly, would have voted for Trump.

Speaker 6 (38:33):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
And and that's my opinion, and that's what I got
out of Kazinsky.

Speaker 5 (38:37):
So please, Jeff UH understand and and once you're your
audience to understand Kazinsky Uh dissected the liberal mindset. And
if this kid is quoted as being a Kazinski, follow
follow it. It's not fair, it's not true.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
He Laurry, you're making a You're making a very interesting
and valid point. There's no question that this kid is
different from Kazinsky in several important areas. You're completely right.
And just to push it a little bit more, Larry, apparently, again,
I'm just going by what I've been reading in the media,
some of the notes that he wrote in his reviews.

(39:15):
Apparently he was this kid, this Luigi Mangioni was a
prolific reader, and then he would do reviews on good Reads.
So people are grabbing stuff from good Reads and getting
a sense of his mind. So he believed in AI,
and he believed in technology, unlike Kazinski, and he was
obsessed with AI. And he said AI can make a better,

(39:37):
more socially just world. And apparently he was guilt ridden
over the fact that he had many opportunities, that I
was born in a wealthy, privileged family and many people
are not, and it's just not fair. But he said,
if you master technology, and if you master AI and
computers and the tech world, technology can level the playing field,

(40:02):
almost as if technology could usher a socialist utopia. So
what I'm just saying, Larry, is he was almost you know,
hyper pro technology, uber pro technology, while Kazinsky, as you
rightly point out, was against technology he thought would be
the doom of mankind. So there are clear differences. There's

(40:23):
no question. The only reason why he's being considered a
follower of the unibomber it's because, and only in this sense,
he claimed himself that he was a follower of Ted Kazinski.
And what he liked about Ted Kazinski, I don't think
it was the whole manifesto. What he loved about Kazinski

(40:46):
is that he was willing to plant bombs, that he
was willing to kill people. He goes on, He's adamant
on this point. Kazinsky was not a terrorist. Kazinsky, he says,
was a polite medical revolutionary who had the courage of
his convictions to do what needed to be done to

(41:07):
save the planet. That's the link to Kazinski. Does that
make any sense to you, Larry?

Speaker 5 (41:15):
My opinion is he misinterpreted Kazinsky. Kazinski Kazinsky was a nutjob.
I'm not defending Kazinsky's action by any stretch. I just
think this kid misinterpreted Kazinski says. I'm reiterating what you
just said. Kazinsky was anti technology, that's right, and that's
what he railed against. And he was anti the liberalism

(41:35):
of the colleges. When you say that this kid was
educated through the college system, yes, absolutely, you're one hundred
percent right. But and I think Kazinsky would have agreed
with you quite frankly so any rate, I'm not an
expert on Kazinski. I just wanted to share.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
You ask Larry. Great point, honestly, great point, and thank
you very much for that call. Now, there is another
difference between Luigi Mangioni and Ted Kazinski. And Kazinski, again,
whatever you think about him, was in many ways a
social outcast. He was a hermit, like to be alone,

(42:13):
didn't have many friends. Now until the back pain really
started to take a toll on MANGIONI from everything I'm reading,
and this is you know, testimonials from friends and classmates,
and they're like, no, he was popular, he was social,
he was athletic, he played sports, he was very studious,

(42:33):
he was a great student. He like you don't like you.
Never in a million years would have thought this is
the guy that would gun down a healthcare CEO. Now,
apparently it was really in the last year with the
chronic back pain and then of course going through university

(42:53):
that really he went on a downward spiral and something
snapped about the last three to four months. Again, if
you just go by the posts on x text messages
what everybody who knew him said, it's like he fell
off the face of the earth. So something inside of
him just snapped six one seven. But then again, why

(43:16):
single out Brian Thompson, that's you know, to me, that's
a question I would have. Okay, you're angry at corporate America,
you're angry at big business, You're angry at fossil fuel companies,
you worship at the altar of climate change, you hate
a private healthcare and that they make a lot of profits. Okay,

(43:37):
you're a big you know, big lefty, big commie, big Marxist. Okay,
I get it, But why would you kill this man?
What did this man ever do to you? Unless what
United Healthcare? What would denied him coverage for his back surgery?
But his parents were loaded, his family was loaded, and

(43:59):
he got his back. Sir, so did you want some
kind of experimental treatment or drug or procedure that you
thought could maybe finally end this crippling back pain? And
they said no, Like, I don't understand. Why would you
go out of your way to kill this specific individual?

(44:20):
And how the hell did you know the ind that
he would be flying into New York. How would you
know that that he was going to be going to
that conference at that time, at six forty five in
the morning, that he would be on the streets of Manhattan.
How did you know that there's still too many holes
for my taste? Tony in Gloucester, Thanks for holding Tony,

(44:44):
and welcome Hello Jeff, Hi Tomy.

Speaker 7 (44:48):
You know this touches me because of his age. I
have grandchildren at that age, and I just got to
tell it to all. You know, grandparents stay in touch
with your grandkids. We're very close to that grandkids. Uh,
you know, I hate to see someone of this age
ruin their lives. I want to say this. I agree
a thousand percent that was the college professors there. As

(45:12):
far as his Krazinski is concerned. That was a much
different time when Kazinski was in college there with this kid,
and yeah, the liberalism was starting to think and then,
but it's full force now. I think he knew exactly
what he was doing. I think he wanted to be caught.
He wanted to make a statement. I think when they

(45:34):
walked into McDonald's, he was probably saying, what took you
so long, you know, going into that Starbucks, taking off
the mask, flirting with the girl, you know, to be noticed. Okay,
he wanted to be caught, and he was trying to
leave all kinds of clues as far as why he
picked this guy. However, how did he find these things?

(45:54):
He probably ACKed into things, he could have backed into
the guy's phone, saw his plans, you know, act into
the hotel. He's big in the technology, big into this
AI stuff and so on. I'm sure he had he
had the smarts to get in there and do it right.
I interestingly believe.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
Yeah, Tony, let me ask you this. So you're saying
he wanted to kill it's not so much Brian Thompson,
right the individual. He wanted to kill a CEO of
a major healthcare company because that would draw maximum attention
to him, his manifesto and his cause.

Speaker 7 (46:32):
Correct, because he didn't resist when they came for him.
He didn't take out a gun and start shooting. He
wanted to be caught. And this is his whole plan
all along the way. But you know, to make himself same.
He had his manifesto right with him. It wasn't at
home on his computer, he added with him.

Speaker 1 (46:50):
Oh no, he wanted to make sure. No, that was
the amazing thing. I mean, he had the gun, he
had the suppressor, and he had the manifesto. That's the
three things he had. Words here, I did it, and
here's why I did it, you know, make me famous.
So that's that's interesting. That's very interesting, Tony, as always,

(47:12):
thank you very very much for that call. Six one
seven two six six sixty eight sixty eight. You know,
I'm thinking, dump the gun, dump the suppressor. You're trying
to get away with this that Tony is making the
exact opposite argument. He's like, no, let me make a
big story out of this shoot. The guy in cold

(47:32):
blood make a temporary escape. The media is covering it.
The whole world's covering it. It's a big story. And
you know, I drive around on Route eighty in Pennsylvania
and eventually they'll catch me. And then when they catch me,
the chase will make it even a bigger story. And
now you know, I'm I'm I'm bigger than the unibomber.

(47:55):
And you know this will now make me famous. So
you know, there is this crews. He's clearly got a
very strong narcisstic personality, there's no question about it. Six
one seven. And there's something off when you just see
his eyes, there's something about him. There, there's he's you know,
there's cold blood in this man. There's no question. Six

(48:16):
one seven two six six sixty eight, sixty eight. Bruce
in Florida. Thanks for holding, Bruce, and welcome.

Speaker 6 (48:25):
Thank you for taking my call, Jeff, my question, Bruce.
I'm honored to speak to the absolute, undisputed champion of
talk reading.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
Oh, thank you, Bruce.

Speaker 6 (48:33):
Now, there's an old saying from a nineteenth century Russian anarchist.
The urge to destroy is a creative act. This guy
is a male version of a of an attention whore. Uh,
he's he's begging for attention. He's a narcissist. You got
that right. And you went on about the indoctrination and

(48:56):
the universities. The indoctrination started in pre k. He's had
at least twenty years of formal left wing indoctrination in
the schools. And you can't forget the entertainment industry. Every
movie