Fire Everyone

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
I think the anyone in DCF involved in this case
should be fired. I think the police officers involved should
be fired. I think that judge, Judge Brendan Moran, who
signed off on DCF going after this family and taking
their children away from them, he needs to be disrobed.

(00:20):
He need he's a criminal in a black robe. She's
completely right, he's got to he's got to be taken
off the bench. And I'm sorry, but the buck stops
with Maura Heally, and she's empowering DCF. She's emboldening DCF.
She's giving him the green light if if, if, look,

(00:42):
if she continues to support DCF, then she's got to
go as well. And this doctor that, this pediatrician in Fischburgh,
this thug uh, this fascist masquerading as a pediatrician. You're
you're you are a sick human being. If you you

(01:03):
called you a you threaten a couple, you threaten to
parents saying I'm gonna take your child and all your
children away from you if you don't take the vaccines.
And they're like, why why would you do that? Like
why doctor, why would you do that? We just it's
on religious grounds. We have constitutional rights in this country.

(01:25):
In the Massachusetts Constitution, religious exemptions are enshrined, so we
have a right to refuse any medical procedure, never mind
vaccines for our children or for ourselves, if it violates
our religious beliefs or our conscience rights. It's in the

(01:47):
Massachusetts Constitution. And he says, I don't I don't care.
And he said, either you take the job or I
go to DCF. Well they left and he goes to DCF.

(02:08):
I mean, this guy's a disgrace. Honestly, he's a disgrace.
Six one seven two six, six sixty eight sixty eight
John in andover, Thanks for holding John, and welcome Hi Jeff.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
I got a similar case. But Mayan wasn't with the shots.
But TCF I called him the boogeyman. All right, I'm
convinced that they only do this to keep their jobs,
you know. But I was raided, My house was raided.
My kids were crying. I always crying. I was missed
the mom. I was making the kids egg plant. We

(02:42):
had a bad divorce with a lying mother. And I'll
tell you how I won my kids back, and it
was all wise by her. I had to put a
restraining of because he was a asente using drug. Mom
that ended upting me. I had to play a restraining
orders as she retaliated and made up lies and I

(03:04):
was hitting the kids and raping my wife. And I
had watched my home's marijuana in my house. I only
even smoked the stuff, all right, But so they come in.
They raided my house. They tore it apart, and next
thing I know, DCF is ripping my kids away for
me here I missed the mom. We're going to rate
then full time, taking the kids of softball games, malls

(03:26):
and doing all the right things. Now the U after
they said, well you're getting arrested, I said, well, what
they said beating your kids? I said, I never touch
my kids.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
I don't have that in me.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
So I have to go.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
They said, well your house is a mess. I go
back because I just got raided. They said we'll clean
your house and we'll give your kids back, and I said,
I had a cleaning company come in put the house
back together, and I went to the seventy two hour
hearing and had the seventy two hour hearing. They said,
I said, your honor, the uh DCF said they would

(04:03):
give me my kids back as long as I cleaned
my house, I had a cleaning company come in and
they said they stood up and they lied. They said,
we never said that. So I was up against the
Irock and Hot place. So the bottom line, I had
to hire a lawyer. And the lawyer said, Steve, you
want your job, you want your kids back? Okay? I said, yes,

(04:28):
he goes, well, if DCF wants you to go to
anger management, I go for what. I never hit my wife,
never hit my kids. They said, Steve, you want to
get kids back? I said, okay, you want, you got
to go to this anger manager. So I'm going with
these bunch of losers that hit their kids. Meanwhile, I'm
going back and they saying, hey, the reports back to

(04:51):
my lawyer. I'm feeling the failing the class. I said,
how am I feeling the class? You're not participating. I said,
I'm not of the story that I hit my wife,
never hit my kids. They said, well, you better make
up something you want your kids back. I got you
gotta be kidding me.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
So I go back.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
We think about a story about how to make up
a story. So I said, howbout if I come back
from retail my dishes weren't washing.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
I yelled at my.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
Wife because the dishes were was. I was veriable, abusive,
and all of a sudden, I graduated the class and.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
They gave your kids back.

Speaker 3 (05:23):
They gave me the kids back.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
Because I wouldn't sue them, because I had to go
admit that I was wrong, so I wouldn't sue DCF.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
Incredible, absolutely incredible. They're fascist thugs. I mean, Jean, what
you're describing here, I'm telling you it's like out of
the old Soviet Union or Nazi Germany, you know, like es, Well,
admit you hit your kids, but I don't hit your kids. Well,
just admit you hit your kids. Okay. Huge, huge, it's
both local and national. Uh. In fact, it's a huge

(05:53):
national story, and hopefully after today's show it's going to
be a massive local story. We shall see. But there's
no question about it. This is an absolute watershed case,
and it's now mobilized a tremendous backlash against government overreach
and against creeping communism in the United States, not just

(06:13):
in Massachusetts, but across the entire country. Izy Rivera and
ruth In Carnacion thirty one years old, thirty years old, respectively,
two parents, loving parents of five young children ages ten, nine, five, four,
and a nine month old baby, because they refuse to

(06:37):
vaccinate their nine month old baby on religious grounds, citing
a religious exemption, which, as I've been saying all show,
is their legal constitutional right. DCF has now moved in
taken away all five children. They have lost custody of

(06:57):
their kids, and they are now each facing five counts
each of familial kidnapping and kidnapping a minor across state lines.
They're facing up to five years in prison each and
tens and tens of thousands of dollars in fines, and

(07:17):
if they're found guilty, they will lose permanent custody of
their children. I'm telling you the whole story. There's no
There's got to be something more to this, JEF. There isn't.
Two loving parents who love their children. Five healthy, well fed, loved,
well taken care of children who are homeschooled by their

(07:38):
parents are now literally going to go to jail and
lose their children because they refuse to vaccinate a nine
month old boy. They're nine month old baby. You can't
make this up. This is communism and other states are
going to follow if we don't nip this in the

(07:59):
butt right now. Agree, disagree? Janine in North Carolina. Thanks
for holding Janine and welcome.

Speaker 4 (08:10):
Oh Jeff, Jeff, my goodness, I gotta tell you I
love you in a non sexual way.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
Oh, thank you, Janine.

Speaker 4 (08:22):
I'm not gonna compete with Grace because I know she
can beat me from pillar to post. I'm not even
gonna go there. But I just have a few quick
things to tell your comments on this. You stole my
thunder when you talked about Justine Pelletier. I will always
wonder what happened? Is she okay? And how is she doing,

(08:44):
you know, health wise and mental wise. And then you
talked about the familial kidnapping. I don't understand. How can
you kidnap your own kids. Both of you have custody
of your kids. You're all traveling as one fan family
to another state, So how does that considered kidnapping? And

(09:05):
then to me, well, we've always known this. The Left
wants to destroy everything they get their hands on. They
want to destroy the family by taking the fathers out
of the homes, and by doing that that leads the
mothers to less to raise their kids. See fathers equate

(09:28):
strength and if you have a strong father in the home,
he's a protector of that home. He's basically like a gatekeeper.
But they like to play on the mother's emotions where
when you were talking about this gender reassignment surgery and mutilations,
they go after the mother to get to the child

(09:52):
because they know the mother will be more sympathetic and compassion.

Speaker 5 (09:57):
What are your.

Speaker 4 (09:57):
Thoughts on that.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
I think you're dead. I think you're absolutely right. I
think look, and the Left has been open about this
for the last sixty seventy years. Get the father out
of the home. Why because then the mother is a
single mom with children and who becomes essentially the daddy
of the home. The government, the state, and then the

(10:20):
mother and the children ultimately become dependent upon the government.
That's their plan. I'm not saying it happens all the time.
There are some single moms who managed to do it,
which is to me unbelievably heroic and incredible. They managed
to hold down a full time job and raise their children.
But it's exhausting, it's very difficult, it's very hard. In

(10:42):
most cases, they have no choice. They have to rely
on welfare or government assistance, and that's when they become
completely dependent upon the government. And that's the goal. That's
what liberals want. They want to break the family apart.
You break the Look, the Communists said this, and the
Nazi said this, you destroy the family. You control the family,

(11:05):
you control the family, you control society. And that's exactly
what they're doing now. And you know, to what you
said even earlier, you're again, you're completely right, absolutely completely
right this. I mean, look, I'm not talking about you know,
I get it. You're divorcing, you're separating, and now you're

(11:26):
arguing over the custody of the children and say, you
know whatever, you get them one week and the other
one gets the other week, or you know, on weekends
they alternate, and then well it's not your weekend or
it's not my weekend, and you run off with the
child someplace, you know whatever, you want to go to Florida,
and you know your your ex didn't approve it. Okay,

(11:48):
I get that. Then I can say, well, yeah, that's
kidnapping in a way. I get it, of course, But
we're not talking about that, as you put it. We're
talking about a mother and a father who loves each
other for fifteen years they've been together, they have five
beautiful children together. The children love them, They love their children,

(12:10):
They all live together. They love each other. You don't
want to adhere to DCF forcing you to vaccinate your child.
They're now saying they're gonna take your child and your
children away from you. You're like, oh, my god, well
let's go to Texas. So you travel to Texas as

(12:31):
a United couple with your five kids. How are you
kidnapping your own kids? Seriously, it's sort of like, here, Grace,
myself and Ava and Ashton, and we decide that I
don't know, I go to Florida for whatever reason to
travel with our kids. Well, I'm so sorry, but you're

(12:54):
kidnapping your own children. How am I kidnapping my own children?
They're my children, like they along with mommy and daddy.
They're with mommy and daddy. So what they're trying to say, Janine,
And this is the point if they can establish this
what they're saying, this is what they're really saying. Ultimately,
you have children because we let you have children. We

(13:18):
own your children. Your children belong to us, because the
question is who are you kidnapping them from? And what
the government saying, is your kidnapping them from us? So really,
we're the parents of your children, not you, not the
mommy and the daddy. That's why I'm telling you. By
the way, this is going to get massive attention. Trust

(13:39):
me when I tell you this, You're going to see
law constitutional lawyers lining out the door to fight this
in court because if they win on this, no parent
is safe. Literally, they can get you anytime they want.
And let me just say this, Janine again, it's good.
You know it's Holy week. I went to confession yesterday.

(14:02):
Let me be again in the confessional, okay with you
and everybody. What I find most disgusting And this is
why you can really tell my blood is boiling over
this issue. The Left has been trying to get me
off the air here ever since I came to Boston
many many years ago. And let me tell you the
threat they use against me all the time. Okay, just

(14:23):
let you know they always threaten to take my children
away from me. But they know that Grace and I
are well, my high school sweetheart, we've been married almost
thirty years. My children love me, I love my adopted children.
I wouldn't there's nothing I wouldn't do for them. So
they can't get me on being a bad parent or
an abusive parent, or they can't get me on anything.

(14:46):
So all they keep saying is you better be careful
quote unquote, will sick DCF on you. They always threaten
me by saying we're gonna weaponize the Department of Children
and Families and on some pretense, pretense, they're going to

(15:06):
come into my home and take my children away from me.
Now I've never succumbed to these threats. I get very angry.
I have a bad temper. That's one of my things
I always qote a confession about. I tend to blow
my top, as you can tell. Okay, but I never
have succumbed to these threats. But they try to weaponize

(15:27):
DCF and try to use my children against me to
either have me back off, tone it down, not talk
about certain issues, or to force me to leave the state.
So I know, I'm telling you, Janine, I know that
they use DCF as a weapon, as a political weapon

(15:50):
to go after people, to bludgeon people, to destroy people.
And I believe the reason why they went after the
riveras is because their homeschoolers. If that pediatrician filed A
fifty one A and these were moonbats, which so called
transgender kids, that they leave them alone, no problem, they're

(16:12):
one of us. But this family has conservative maga trump written.
I don't know their politics. I'm just telling you look
by their profile, they've got conservative Trump, maga religious written
all over them. Six one seven two six x sixty
eight sixty eight is the number. Okay, many of you

(16:35):
are texting the cooner Man. By the way, you can
text me seven zero four seven zero seven zero four
seven zero saying, Jeff, tough topic this morning. My blood
pressure is going through the roof. Look, it's upsetting. That's
why there's such a backlash, you know, forming all over
this very case, across the entire country. But really, look,

(16:57):
we're gonna win. Really, I mean, I don't want to
seem arrogant or overconfident, but this is Justina Pelletier all
over again. And you know, you know the expression, we
can do this the easy way, or we can do
it the hard way. The easy way is leave these

(17:18):
people alone, drop all charges against Eazy Rivera and Ruth
Incarnacion and reunite them with their five children, including you know,
the nine month old baby. And if they don't want
to vaccinate them. That's none of your business. And you know,
everybody goes, but they'll have a lawsuit on their hands.

(17:39):
But you know, everybody go their separate ways. We can
do it the easy way, or we can do it
the hard way. But I'm telling you they're going to
be reunited with their children. And I wouldn't be shocked
if President Trump got involved in this issue. I wouldn't
I wouldn't be shocked if Robert F. Kennedy Junior Health
and Human Services, Pam Bondy, who by the way, is

(18:01):
literally just announced a massive civil suit against Maine. We'll
talk probably talk about it tomorrow over trans athletes and
Title nine. So she's gonna sue that. They're gonna sue
the hell out of the main state, the Main's Department
of Education. So Pam Bondi's you know, moving now, she's

(18:22):
getting mobilized, she's starting to get energized. So look, we're
gonna I'm gonna bring this to Pam Bondi's attention. I'm
gonna do everything I can to bring it to the
Trump team's attention. And as long as we keep talking
about it, spreading the word on social media emails, just
you know, word of mouth. The more you know, show

(18:42):
up when there's the next case regarding in court on
behalf of either Izzy or Ruth. Look, we're gonna wear
the liberals down. We have the truth, we have justice.
We have on this issue, we have you know, we're
on the side of the angels. We have God on
our side. We're not gonna lose. This is a ninety

(19:07):
ten issue. Most parents, most people listening to this, once
they know the facts, are gonna say, what you kidnapped,
you seize the children of the five children of a
couple because they refuse to vaccinate their nine month old baby. Boy,

(19:27):
have you all lost your minds? So they only look,
they can only succeed if they keep operating in the shadows.
That's why I always say sunlight is the best disinfectant.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
You know.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
They say the truth shall set you free. So the
more the American people hear about it, the greater the
certainty that Izzy and Ruth will be released and they'll
be back with their children. So I understand it's a
bit of a dark topic, but look, they're doing this
all over the country, so you know, to me, it's

(20:04):
always a blessing when you can confront your enemy, and
you can you know, and you know where your enemy is,
so you can defeat your enemy, and we will defeat him.
You can take this to the bank. And let me
just say one other thing. I know we've got a
big rally coming up on May seventeenth. God is my witness.
If I have to hold another rally on this very issue,
I will, I will. And if I got to go

(20:28):
all the way to Fitchburg to do the rally, I
swear to you I will. So we're gonna I'm telling
you right now, DCF is going to rue the day
they did this, and magistrate, you know a Brandon Moran,
Brandon Moran is going to rue the day he approved this,
and that loser pediatrician out in Fitchburg, he's gonna rue

(20:52):
the day he played mister tough guy and threatened this
family and then sick DCF on him. So no, we're
coming for them. We're coming for them, and now they're
going to lose because we're going to save our country.
Six one seven two sixty six sixty eight sixty eight.
John in Lowell, Thanks for holding John, and welcome.

Speaker 3 (21:18):
YEP. I'd say good morning, but not really, Jeff, I
was added with the opportunity to open up the Justine
Poltaire rally for you, and with all humility, Jeff I
asked them to consider me again for this one.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
Okay, you got it, John, You got it, buddy.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
Jeff, Jeff, anybody that thinks that the children that get
taken from their home and put into foster homes are
in a better situation than they were nine times you
know what I mean? In cases like this, you're out
of your mind because a lot of those foster parents
are there for nothing but the financial help those children

(22:00):
and don't even get the needs next at the time, Jeff.
The foster parents take the money and do other things
with it. This is a fact. Is sexual abuse that
goes on in those homes, Jeff. They're not getting a
handle all. It's a saint.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
Well, John, you're completely right, You're absolutely right. But in
this case, so far, of the five children, the four
older ones ten, nine to five, and four are with
the parents of Ruth the baby, and I don't know
why they split the baby from the other four siblings.
On top of that, that's insult to injury. But let

(22:37):
that go. The nine month old baby is with the
sister of Ruth, so they're not in I mean, I
guess technically it's part of the foster care system, but
they're with their families. It's the parents and the siblings,
so it's not just some stranger. But they are now
under the custive of the protective custody of DEC And

(23:03):
to me, once DCF gets involved in your home here,
oh you're in big trouble. But anyway, so so far,
the grandparents have four of the kids and the aunt
has the baby, and we'll see what happens. But John,
to me, that's irrelevant. I mean, they want their mother,
they want their father. It's a very happy family, a

(23:23):
loving family, a caring family. There was no reason to
break them up. There was no reason to tear them apart.
And I just I can I can just imagine the
terror and the trauma these children have suffered. And you know,
we heard Tresa from Oregon who was their advocate. She's
the one that helped them get to Texas.

Speaker 3 (23:42):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
Treessa said, you know, they're devastated. Izzy and Ruth are
absolutely devastated, and they're wondering now if they'll ever see
their children again. I mean, John, this is This is
like a dystopian novel. Really, this is like almost something
George Orwell would right about as a warning about totalitarianism

(24:03):
in the future. And here it is. John, You're very worldly.
You've been around, You've been around the block multiple times.
You've got a really good head on your shoulders. Do
you think that the riveras will prevail? And do you
think those five children will be back with their parents?

Speaker 3 (24:25):
Jeff is going to prevail. You know why because we're all, Jeff,
and we're all going to pray for them, and the
power of God is going to take holl of the jet.
You know what's good about this, Jeff. When evil's exposed,
he comes in and he does it every time. Jet.

(24:46):
This is the beauty of what we're going through in
this country right now, Jeff. And I'm very upset. I
have a lot of thoughts in my head that I
can't even get out, Jeff. But he shines the light
on it when it exposes itself, Jeff. In in the end,
he takes care of that. What I can't stand is
they just ruined and possibly made future customers of the system.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
Jeff.

Speaker 3 (25:11):
The effect of emotional development on these children, Jeff.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
Oh it's unconscious.

Speaker 3 (25:16):
I take a miracle.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
I agree, a miracle.

Speaker 3 (25:19):
I agree, Go away, Jeff.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
I agree.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
John.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
I want to wish you a very happy and blessed
Easter and we will definitely team up together again. John.
All right, God bless you my friend. Stay strong. John
six one seven two six six sixty eight sixty eight.
And in Springfield, thanks for holding Anne and welcome Hi.

Speaker 6 (25:40):
Jeff, thank you for taking my call. And I just
want to say that I had an experience in New
York City. I was in my mid twenties and I
briefly worked for an an advertising company for pharmaceuticals. It
was named integritin Wood Healthcare. I didn't know anything about it,
and the owner, who's a very nice man, he took
me into his office and he said, okay, this is
what we do. You know, there are herbs out there

(26:02):
and natural products that have been used for thousands and
thousands of years, and they've been used for all different
types of ailments. But they only sell for maybe three
five cents a pill. My clients want to make more
than three to five cents of pill. So what they
do is they go out in the rainforest and whatnot,
and they find these plants and they take them back

(26:24):
to their lab and they find the components that do
what they want them to do, and then they synthetically
reproduce them. After that, they patent them. So now it's theirs,
not God's, it's theirs because you can't patent anything you know,
natural made from God. So now they can charge whatever
they want. So that being said, big pharma is a business, Okay, Pfizer, Maderna,

(26:48):
all Mirk. They make a lot of money. Now who
owns these stocks? That's the big question because you always
say follow the money. So with every rule and everything
else in our Congress and everything else, a lot of
times that has to do with money. Now does Congress
own a lot of these stock? And I actually looked

(27:08):
up a couple of years ago and a lot of
them do. Actually, So they're making laws that we have
to have our children vaccinated. But yet who's making the money?
I think there's a big tie into this. And the
other thing is the actual vaccines of what these children get,
you know, keeping that in mind, you know, a newborn

(27:29):
right as they are born, they get the hepatitis B
vaccine within twenty four hours of birth. This is the
first dose of three doses. They also get RSV if
there's an outbreak, which I do believe is a consider
an outbreak. Right now, at two months vaccine, they get
he B dose two, rotovirus dose two. Keep in mind
they're two months old, did theoria tetanus and athelila purchuses

(27:53):
dose one home a fullest influenza type B dose one,
new macacco conjub eight, PCV dose one and activated polyvirus
PVV dose one. Then they go on to four month
vaccine rotovirus dose two, DTaP dose two, HIB dose two,

(28:13):
PZV dose two, IPv dose two. And now just go
to six months HEPB dose three, rotavirus dose three only
if doing the three dose series, DTaP dose three, HB
dose three only if doing the four dosey PCV dose three,
IPv dose three food vaccine.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
And I mean, it's just it's it's like a dictionary.
I mean really it's And look, I got doctor Grace
waiting online. So I hate to pressure you like this,
but when I was saying, I was born in nineteen
sixty nine, okay, and I was vaccinated. You know, my
sister was vaccinated as well. For those of us, let's
say forty five, fifty fifty five, sixty years old. We

(28:54):
didn't get as many shots as what you're describing now, right.

Speaker 6 (29:01):
Especially not the have B vaccine. And I know people
who got the HEPBAC, the hepatitis bee and their body
fought it off. Only one percent of the people actually
carry that to a chronic stage. Most people, their bodies
are able to fight this off on their own.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
So and sorry, I didn't hear your initiative. You're saying,
you're saying, no, we never got as many shots as
what they're giving kids today. Correct, Okay, wow, No, it's true.
I mean that's look. I've been reading about that in
the last ten fifteen years. They go, they're just loading
more and more and more and more of these shots,

(29:37):
and many parents are getting nervous about the long term
health consequences. And you know, Robert F. Kennedy Junior has
been very powerful, very eloquent on this. This case is
tailor made for him. Oh man, is it tailor made
for him? And thank you very much, really informative call.
Well there you go. I mean, look at the shots
they're pumping into these kids now, even if you're pro vacs.

(30:00):
Holy shimoli. Look at it just because it's like an encyclopedia,
Like really, it's just shot after shot after shot after
shot after shot. Okay, joining me now as she always
does at this time, doctor Grace putting liberals in their place. Grace,
my wonderful wife, my better half, Grace. I've got to

(30:20):
ask you. You're a mom. We have two beautiful children.
We adopted both you and I as you know, Ashton
and Ava. We love them to death. If we decided
not to vaccinate our children, as an example, does this
state does the DCF have the right to come in
and take custody of both our children and then send

(30:46):
us to prison for years because we've been abusing and
neglecting them and kidnapping them if we decided to take
them elsewhere because we didn't want to obey DCF. In
other words, should we lose custody of our children if
we decide not to vaccinate Ashton Areva. Had we made

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that decision you know years ago? What say you?

Speaker 3 (31:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (31:12):
It's an absolutely outrageous story. And one of the reasons
that you had the rise of governors like DeSantis and
Glenn Youngkin in Virginia, and you had the rise really
of even President Trump is because of this cry across
the country, not just in this state, for the reassertion
of parental rights over every aspect of our children's lives,

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whether it's their bodies, or their mental health, or their
religious formation, their spiritual formation, the values that go into them,
all of that belongs squarely with the parents. And you know,
this story dovetails with one of the lessons I was
recently teaching our children, and I said to the kids,
what is the most important and the most beautiful institution

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that you see on a daily basis?

Speaker 6 (32:02):
What is it?

Speaker 5 (32:03):
What is the most beautiful institution? And eventually they got.

Speaker 4 (32:07):
To the right answer.

Speaker 5 (32:08):
It's the family. The family is the most beautiful institution,
and nowadays it is the most difficult to form, and
it is the most difficult to preserve. And I think
that there are just so many diabolical forces directed right
at the family to try to disassemble and weaken the

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most beautiful, the most precious institution that we have.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
Grace. Let's say with Ava, Hey, we adopted her at birth.
You decide as the mom, you know, I know we
vaccinated her, but just play along with me at nine months, mmmm, Jeff.
A lot of vaccines. I don't like this, it's too many.
I'm worried about some of the long term consequences. We're
going to homeschool our kids anyway, we're homeschoolers. The answer

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is no, not going to do it. And the pediatrician
says to you to your face and to my face,
well listen, you better let me put that needle in
your baby, because if you don't, I'm going to file
what's called a fifty one A report, which is going
to basically tell DCF to come after you and seize

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custody of your children. And if you resist DCF, you're
going to go to jail and you're going to lose
your children. Now, did you ever think seriously that this
could ever happen in the United States of America? Number one?
And number two? What kind of a doctor, this pediatrician
who ordered this? What kind of a doctor are we

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dealing with here? What say you?

Speaker 5 (33:44):
Well, Jeff, we've seen this before, as you mentioned, when
we came to Massachusetts, we were involved in the battle
for Justina Pellisier. That was in twenty thirteen. By the way,
there's a whole documentary that was produced now on that.
And you know that her parents. They actually lost their
civil suit versus Boston Children. I mean, eventually, we as
everybody knows, the parents got custody of her, but they

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lost their civil suit against them. So we've seen this before,
and that's why we have so many people this morning
ready to get involved, ready to put pressure on Massachusetts
to stop this.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
And if you think.

Speaker 5 (34:22):
About the incredible difference in how this state behaves if
an illegal immigrant violates a court order, nothing happens this family. Basically,
they were pursued because they didn't show up in court
and it was the sister of the family that reported
them missing. Well you got to think about the craziness
of all this, you know, think about it. The family

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has the right to take their children across straight state lines.
We as parents have the right to take our children
wherever we want, if we want to go on vacation,
even if we want to leave the country, we have
the right to go. And all of a sudden, the
state gets involved and they've got to chase this family down,
take this family away. Oh my gosh, they're so busy,

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so effective, so powerful, And when it comes to chasing
an illegally immigrant that violates the law and court orders
are violated, left, right, and center. They're nowhere to be found.
The most inefficient group of people you'd ever meet, and
for pursuing and trying to dismantle a good family, they're
the busiest, the most effective that you could possibly imagine.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
You know, Grace, you make an excellent point, And let
me just ask you this. On top of that, what
do you say to the argument that these children by
not getting vaccinated, because this is the Boston Globes argument
that disposes a public health hazard, that you have a
measles outbreak down in Texas, which is not really an outbreak,

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but let that go that if you don't jab up
your kids, you are going to get other people sick eventually.
So the needs of society, the needs of others, trump
that of Ruth iz Isy and their five kids.

Speaker 5 (36:06):
What say you, well, that's really a communist argument, the
collective trumps the individual.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
We don't believe that.

Speaker 3 (36:14):
In the United States.

Speaker 5 (36:15):
In the United States, we believe that individual rights are
pre eminent, so that individual has the right to do
whatever they want. The family has the right to do
what they want for that child. Now, when it comes
to participation in different organizations, that's a whole different ballgame, right,
So people do have the right to say, if you're
not vaccinated against a specific illness that I'm concerned about,

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and you attend a public school, well then the community
has a right to impose some restrictions. But we're not
talking about that. We're talking about a family that is homeschooling.
So there're no threat to anybody else, and their individual
and familiar rights have to be protected. They are paramount.
That's their constitution tutional rights, Grace.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
We have about a minute left, and literally it's a minute.
Transgenderism Colorado is now. They've just passed a bill in
the House and they're going to pass it in the Senate.
The governor will sign it. You misgender your child, you
can lose custody over your child. What say you exactly?

Speaker 5 (37:21):
It's the same phenomenon that we're talking about. There's huge
pushback against this right now. It is an attempt to
dismantle the family. We're seeing it first and foremost by
an assault on our boys. They don't want our boys
to be normal, then they don't want our boys to
grow up to be leaders as men, because men are
ultimately the leaders of the family, and they are creating

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a completely disordered environment that is deliberate, that is on purpose.
And Vincent's case in point, where the state wants to
break apart the moment You're right.

Speaker 1 (37:54):
They want to break apart the family, the entire family unit,