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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Four years, ten months, and twenty eight days ago, an
individual placed a bomb in the vicinity of both the
RNC and the DNC, and for that amount of time
that individual evaded accountability. Today, as a result of the
cumulative efforts of the men and women in the FBI

(00:22):
and the Police Department and the Department of Justice, we
are finally able to make an arrest of an individual
by the name of Brian Cole. As the Attorney General
is indicated, he is arrested for transporting an explosive device
and interstate commerce as well as the attempted malicious destruction

(00:43):
by means of explosive materials.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
That, of course, was US Attorney for Washington, d C.
Janine Pirou at yesterday's press conference, laying out now the
initial charges against the alleged January sixth PIE bomber, Brian Cole, Junior,
UH seven twenty Now on the Great WRKO Jeff Kooner,

(01:08):
Boston's bulldozer six one seven two six six sixty eight
sixty eight is the number. Now. Just many people are saying, well, Jeff,
you know what about terrorism and or terrorist related charges
that's most likely gonna come. They're gonna according to Janine Piro.
They're gonna dot their eyes, cross their t's, and they're

(01:31):
gonna add charges over the next couple of days and
the next couple of weeks. Uh, they say they have
a slam dunk case. She came and said, we have
overwhelming evidence. This will all be shown in court. So
they are absolutely convinced that they have their men. Do
they have their men? That's the question I have for

(01:51):
all of you. Six one seven two, six, six, sixty
eight sixty eight is the number. Okay, this is a
bit strange, but Sandy texted me. I don't know why
she didn't, you know, talk to me, but anyway, that's okay.
She feels very strongly about this. So she texted me

(02:15):
her reaction to some of the callers to the conspiracy theories,
and I guess she wants me to read it on
the air. So this is from Sandy Shack Jeff that
conspiracy stuff is bull. I can't say that on the air, Sandy,
I can't say it that conspiracy stuff is bull. Let's

(02:37):
say crap, that conspiracy stuff is bull. Crap. He is
not autistic. He is a loner and wears music headphones
while walking his dog. So he doesn't have to talk
to people, so do I. But that does not mean
I'm special needs. The comments about these conc cospiracy theorist

(03:01):
that they're relying upon was not from neighbors, but from
his grandmother, deep in denial, defending him to the New
York Post, who said he was quiet and he could
not have done it because he was autistic, Like, there
is absolutely no evidence that he is deficient in any way.

(03:26):
You need to make clear, okay, that the grandmother had
no basis for using the term autism, and she said
he was not autistic. She just thought he had autistic
like issues but had no testing or basis for that.
People are only hearing the term autistic and not that

(03:50):
he's not autistic. So basically, in a nutshell, By the way,
a lot of this is in caps. A couple of
middle fingers thrown in there a middle finger emojis, but
I'm joking about the middle finger emojis. But basically, the
grandmother said he's got some kind of a he's on
the autism level spectrum or I forget how she phrased it.

(04:13):
That doesn't mean that a he's autistic and b that
he's deficient in any way. In other words, he could
have easily carried this out. So that's Sandy's point, which
I thought I pretty much said before, but I guess
she wants me to really hammer that point home. Okay,
now very quickly. This is from six to three, Jeff.

(04:39):
So far, I'm not buying this new story at this point.
I think this new suspect is a patsy. And here's why.
One of the ways the woman they named as a
suspect a few weeks ago was linked to this is
because the FBI, through a recognition system, matched her walking

(05:05):
gate to the person in the footage. Also, she was
an officer for the DC Metro Police Department, and on
the footage you can see that when the bomb was located,
the DC police knew exactly what bush to look behind
to find the bomb. They went right to it without

(05:27):
even searching. That's a little odd. The two pipe bombs
they found that day perfectly matched FBI training bombs, essentially
their props. And finally, the female DC Police Department officer

(05:48):
they first suspected has now been promoted to a job
with the CIA. Isn't that convenient? Question Mark? I'm currently
leaning toward the idea that this was an inside job. So,
in other words, this was a deep state job to

(06:09):
try to frame Trump and frame MAGA and portray them
as a terrorist movement and an insurrectionist movement willing to
plant bombs to overthrow the government. That was the narrative
they kept pushing the media, the Democrats and the deep state,
and that they have found their perfect patsy in this guy,

(06:31):
Brian Cole. So that's at least the theory that many
of you believe in, or at least some of you
believe in personally. And no, I think Brian Cole did it.
I think the evidence is pretty overwhelming. But that's me.
So set the table. Let me ask all of you,
what do you make of yesterday's arrest. Is Brian Cole

(06:55):
in your view the J six bomber or do you
think he's being framed and he's being set up? And
the bigger question almost why did the Biden FBI sit
on all of this evidence for four years? What did

(07:17):
Biden know? When did he know it? What did Christopher
Ray know? When did he know it? Six one seven
two six, six sixty eight sixty eight is the number? Okay,
So yeah, Sandy and I were just talking communicating off air,
and Sandy made a very good point that that woman

(07:39):
that everybody suspected was the pipe bomber, was it three
weeks ago, apparently was alibied.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
According to apparently a witness came out and said that
she was someplace else at the time that those two
pipe bombs were planted, and so that you know that
in many ways obviously cleared her. And so uh, that's
one of the things that forced the FBI to really

(08:08):
zero in on Brian Cole. Now, Glenn Beck potentially now
could be in very big trouble because it was he
and the Blaze who pushed that story initially very hard,
that she was the J six bomber. And if they
convict Brian Cole, and it looks like they're very likely

(08:30):
going to convict him, they now may have set themselves
up for a massive, massive lawsuit. So this this there's
a lot of angles to this. Yere six one seven
two six six, sixty eight, sixty eight. But anyway, according
to witness testimony, she has been cleared. So at least

(08:50):
according to the witness, the witness is now vowing for
her vouching saying no she wasn't there either at the
park bench in front of the DNS at seven fifty
four pm. This was on January fifth, the night before
January sixth, that's when the first bomb was placed, and
then eight sixteen, maybe twenty minutes later when the second

(09:13):
bomb was planted in front of the RNC headquarters according
to the video surveillance footage. So apparently she has an
alibi that she was somewhere else at that time. Six
one seven two six six sixty eight sixty eight. Let's
go to Tommy in West Virginia. Thanks for holding Tommy,

(09:34):
and welcome.

Speaker 4 (09:36):
Good morning, Jeff. I got one question. Have they followed
this kids? Did the individual have a cell phone on him? Yes?

Speaker 3 (09:45):
Or no?

Speaker 2 (09:46):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (09:48):
Okay? So did the cell phone track him? Did it
ping him to the both locations?

Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (09:58):
Yes, okay, So I tuned in a few minutes just
listening a few minutes earlier. You mentioned something that this
kids could somehow be a patsy. Did I hear that correctly?

Speaker 2 (10:12):
That's no, that's the theory, that's that's I don't I
think he's the guy. I think the evidence is pretty now.
I think it's overwhelming, but a lot of scuttle about
on social media, a lot of people texting into the show,
A lot of people. I read a text from six
to oh three, who, by the way, is very I
mean a smart man. I know him, A big fan,

(10:33):
longtime listener of the show, you know, and so a
very intelligent man. So a lot of people are still
very skeptical. They think he's a patsy. They think he's
a convenient patsy. I don't think he is. I think
he's I mean, from what they laid out, they said
they've got the cell phone towers. That's right, okay, So

(10:59):
there was parent also a time stamped video that alibi
the woman as well, so it wasn't just a witness.
Apparently there was video surveillance of her somewhere time stamped
that said, well, no, she's there, so she can't be
two places at once. But to go back to Brian Cole.
So according to what they laid out yesterday, they say

(11:19):
they have cell phone towers pinging him exactly, not just
at the park at the time, not just at the
DNC headquarters and the RNC headquarters, but literally taking the
path that you have to take to go from the
DNC to the RNC. So I just think Tommy, to
be honest, when you look at all the evidence, I

(11:41):
think it's pretty obvious it was him. Now again, you're
always presumed innocent in this country. I want him to
have a trial. I want to put up the best
defense possible. But from the evidence that I've seen, I
think is pretty compelling. But that's me. Please go ahead, Tommy.

Speaker 4 (11:58):
All right. So then the next quest question, what about
a social media pages?

Speaker 2 (12:05):
According to Janine Piro, I'm just I haven't seen it.
But according to Janine Piro, she says that they found
anarchist writings that apparently he was a rabbit, anti Trumper,
huge supporter of Black Lives Matter, and it appears that
he had some kind of connection to Antifa. But they're

(12:27):
not giving us more. They say it's going to come
out in trial, but that you're going to see that
he had writings where he hated the government, wanted to
blow up government buildings, apparently had a major problem with authority,
but in particular reviled Trump, and was a massive supporter

(12:48):
of illegal aliens, to the point that he and his
dad had a bail bond's company and a big chunk
of their business was freeing violent illegal aliens, and they
sued Trump's ICE and DHS at the time for their
claims that they were being mistreated, that the illegals were
being mistreated under Trump. So he's pro open borders, pro

(13:13):
illegal alien and ferociously anti Trump.

Speaker 4 (13:21):
He will be having fundraisers for this kid, There's no
doubt about it. And they're going to look any way
to make this kid to be a victim. And just
for me, the FBI has a change with regards to
their technical expertise. You know when Biden took office. Even

(13:49):
prior to that, they could have found this kid. But
somebody within the FBI, in my opinion, from what you're
telling me, Look, let's just look the other way. This
isn't gonna fit our narrative. You know, basically a leftist
who hates Trump being connected with January sixth. Now we

(14:11):
can't go We just leave a sleeping dog.

Speaker 5 (14:15):
Lie.

Speaker 4 (14:15):
It is my point.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
You did on it, Tommy, That's exactly what I think happened.
Now I'm getting a lot of people texting in and
saying and it's a fair point. Look, Jeff, I don't
know about that. Ray was so incompetent. Garland was so incompetent.
Biden's FBI was so incompetent, according to these people. I
don't buy it, but they're saying no, Jeff, I think

(14:39):
it could be in competence, like you're assuming almost too
much on the part of the Biden FBI. I don't
think so. I think you hit it right on the head.
I think there's no question they said, well, this, this
destroys our whole narrative, I mean everything. He's not a
white supremacist, because that's what they in the media were claiming.

(14:59):
He's not mag he's not pro Trump. I mean, it's
it's the exact opposite. So you know, they'll just let
the files, let the files collect dust in the FBI offices,
in that vault downs in the basement somewhere, just put
it somewhere on the shelf and just let it just
don't worry about it. Nobody will look into this. It's done,
it's over, and let's just keep pumping out the lie

(15:22):
that you know, this was a pipe bomber most likely,
you know, a Trump guy, a MAGA guy, a white
supremacist guy radicalized by Trump and his claims that the
election was stolen, and we almost had the rn C
and the DNC blown up, and this was all part
of a larger terrorist movement, an insurrectionist movement by that

(15:45):
terrorist Trump and terrorist Maga. This this guy blows that
whole narrative out of this out of the water. And
that's why, and that's why, you know, the Democrats behavior
on this is so strange. I mean, they're blaming the
current FBI for having done the job of the previous FBI.

(16:10):
It's an unbelievable They're like, you know, they shouldn't be
pouting themselves on the back. They should have gotten him
months ago. I'm like, Biden had him for four years.
It was Biden's FBI for four years. You had all
the evidence for four years. They come in and they
re examine everything, take a fresh pair of eyes, go

(16:33):
actually through the evidence and the data and everything and
the video surveillance footage, and they start actually doing some
investigating and boom, in six months, they got their man.
And you're blaming this FBI when they got him in
six months and they had four years and did nothing.
I mean, it's pathetic. Tommy, thank you very much for

(16:55):
that call. I really appreciated six one seven two six
six sixty sixty eight is the number. Okay, how much
time left? Mike? All right, let me ask you, Pambondi, Cash,
Pateel Dan Bongino, now say that this arrest will go

(17:16):
a long way. Six one seven two six, six sixty
eight sixty eight is the number. Okay, here's what we're
gonna do, my friends. I'm gonna take a few more calls,
and then I want to pivot to a couple of
other very very important stories. Uh So, if you want
to call in, now's the time to do it. Six
one seven two six six sixty eight sixty eight. Let

(17:39):
me just say this, there's no question. Now, whatever your
theory of this is, and you know mine, I think
they got their guy. But you know, let that go.
This shows what a joke, and I mean, what a
joke the Biden FBI was the Biden doj Everything about

(18:03):
the Biden regime I mean is they hardly even made
an effort to find the real j six pipe bomber,
and they closed that case effectively, they refuse to move
on that case. So either because of sheer laziness, negligence

(18:23):
or incompetence or as you know, my theory, I think
they knew who this guy was almost the very beginning,
and it was just inconvenient for them. You reveal who
this guy really is, it destroys their entire plot. Everything
they're claiming about January sixth now falls apart. But whatever

(18:44):
it is, I don't care. Take door one or take
door two. I mean, what a joke. I mean, really, sir,
Christopher Ray is a joke. Merrick Garland is a joke. Joeye,
absolute joke. The media, I mean, and the way you
know when you look back on it, I could play

(19:04):
you the clips. I don't want to bore you the
way I mean. I kept saying the whole time, I'm like,
you don't even know who this person is. The person's
got a hoodie, they've got that. You know that COVID,
you know, temporary mask on, uh, you know, gloves, pants,
the sneakers. You have no idea, you don't know the

(19:26):
identity is person. And there they are. He's a mega.
Here's a Trump guy. He was inflamed by Trump.

Speaker 4 (19:35):
He did it.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
He was motivated by Trump's claims that the election was stolen.
He was radicalized. You're you're, you're, it's out of whole cloth.
You're just making it up, and you're passing it off
as if it's fact, as if it's true. So I
look at all of this here, I'll just play it again.

(19:58):
Let me just play it one more time. To me,
it's the the ultimate exclamation point to the lies about
January sixth itself, the lies about the pipe bomber, I
mean about everything, what's wrong with Biden, the Democrats, and
the media. Here it is in a nutshell. Here's fake tapper.
CNN says they've arrested the DC pipe bomb suspect, you know,

(20:25):
and as they're showing a picture of Brian Cole, who's black.
So you're you're seeing on the screen a black man, okay,
a black man with glasses. Listen to faked tapper roll
cut ten. Mike Ian Cole Jr.

Speaker 6 (20:44):
A thirty year old white man from the DC suburbs,
is charged with transporting and explosive device in interstate commerce
and with malicious destruction.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
Who are you gonna believe me or your lying eyes?
That's and you want to know why CNN is completely
into dumps, why nobody trusts them, and why trust in
the media is what is it down now? Four percent?
I mean, really, who believes the media. John in Westford,

(21:18):
Thanks for holding John and welcome good morning.

Speaker 5 (21:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (21:22):
I think you don't need a bomb maker, you just
need a bomb carrier. You know, you need somebody whose
mind can be manipulated, somebody that's just a little off,
maybe a loaner. And if you look at the FBI
the history, like look at the whitmerk kidnappers, FBI was
all over them. They were anarchists also, and they hated Trump.

(21:43):
The Butler shooter Manson even you go back to the
Operation Chaos. I think he was just there to carry
the package.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
Oh you don't. You don't think he built the package.

Speaker 6 (22:00):
No, no, just like I don't myself. In the courts
felt the Whitmer kidnappers were manipulated by the FBI.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
Oh no, I hear you. Well, look, the FBI is dirty.
I mean that's one of the problems with the FBI.
They're dirty. They've been caught now red handed, repeatedly framing people,
you know, I mean, you know, trying to falsely accusing
people and trapping people. There's no question, I mean, there's
no question. That's why. That's one of the things I

(22:33):
disagree with yesterday's press conference when Pam Bondi came out
and said, well, this is going to start restoring trust
in the FBI, I'm like, no, it's not. No. So
now I'm just just to play this out, John, Who
do you think ultimately then put the bombs, according to
your theory, into Brian Cole's hands. Do you think it

(22:56):
was a deep state operation?

Speaker 5 (22:59):
Yep?

Speaker 4 (23:00):
Do Yeah.

Speaker 6 (23:01):
I also believe the Butler shooter he was a deep state.
He was a loner. It just seems like at their
m O Charlie Kirkshooter SSR eyes and kind of out
there furry. It just it's I don't know, it.

Speaker 4 (23:21):
Seems like a pattern.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
Interesting. Do you think we'll ever get to the truth
of what really happened on January sixth?

Speaker 6 (23:29):
Probably not. I mean the footage Tucker Carlson had some
great footage, but it's obviously it was planned. Nancy Pelosi
was orchestrating it.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
Well, you know, I gotta tell you, John, The thing
that what the you know, the footage that what Tucker
showed was to me just mind blowing, was how friendly
people were inside, how friendly they were to the guards
or to the upol Hill police officers. How it was
almost like a guided tour. How they were like showing

(24:06):
them around and they're shaking hands, and they're in the
in the well of the Senate and they're they're praying
for the police. The so called insurrection is I'm putting
them in air quotes they're praying for the police, And
I'm like, did this is not the picture the media
and the Dems have been you know that that's not

(24:27):
what they painted. They painted these guys, you know, almost
like knives in their mouth, you know, coming in there,
and they want to kill the police and kill everybody
and and ransack the place and tear it down and
overthrow the government. And instead you you see you know,
old ladies walking around taking pictures. You see them going

(24:50):
into the bathroom. You see the police welcoming them in,
taking selfies, giving they gave a group a guide to tour.
I mean they're stopping almost like yeah, so this painting
really So this is Daniel Webster, Yeah, bell a great
senator nineteenth century, one of the most influential. Yeah, come
around the corner. Yeah, this is yeah, this is where

(25:12):
the Senate is. John Am I wrong?

Speaker 6 (25:16):
Oh no, the q Shaman, I mean they am a tour.
He even thanked the police, he said a prayer. I
mean the doors were left wide open. I saw footage
of a guy climbing through a broken window right next
to the door that's wide open. People are looking at
him like, what are you doing. It's all follow up

(25:38):
and then if you were to post anything online, the
DC police would just swooped down on you. And that's
why Pelosi made him Internet made him national. They all
of a sudden, there's a DC Metro police branch in California.
It's crazy, it's so obvious.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
Oh, no question. Well, and she refused a ten thousand,
you know, National Guard troops that Trump had requested. That
to me said everything that to me, that's what it
smelled set up from the get go, from the get go. John,
thank you so much for that call. Richard in New Hampshire.
Thanks for holding Richard, and.

Speaker 3 (26:16):
Welcome morning, Jeff, Your morning. I find it absurd that
people actually even begin to believe anything that this narrative,
this narrative, it's all absurd. Everything is absurd, and it
continues to be absurd. It's just mind boggling to me

(26:41):
that people actually believe this story, that they have some
guy that actually did this and he's the guy and
all this kind of thing, it's it's it's I find
it amazing. None of it is believable, none of it.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
Now. Okay, Richard, let's just take it step by step.
What is it that you find right off the bat?
Why do you think it's absurd that that he would
do this by himself, that he's capable of doing this
by himself.

Speaker 3 (27:11):
He's this guy is find out if he has a
medical condition, if he has some sort of financial somewhere,
some gain somewhere. He's this person is is a patsy
just like Lehivey Oswald. And the list goes on.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
Can you do me a favor? Please just hang on.
I promise. I want you to finish exactly what you're thinking.

Speaker 3 (27:33):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
I just it's eight o'clock Friday, so Cooner's Call Log.
So we're going to go to that and come back
to you. Okay, my friends, Ah, eight o'clock Friday, Caller
of the Week Cooners Call Log. Take it away, Mike.

Speaker 7 (27:55):
It's time for Cooners Call Log, where we showcase.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
Our color from the week. I can hear you, can
you hear me? Thanks for holding Chris.

Speaker 5 (28:06):
We definitely have to stop trying to control Trump's speech.
He's just not gonna change and it works for us.
It's exactly what is needed. Unfortunately, when that pendulum swings
way high the other way, this is exactly what we need.
We need Trump square speech to write the ship. And

(28:29):
since Trump point two, I think that we've had the
media coverage that we need, the voices that are out
there speaking the truth. And you know, haters are always
going to be haters. Dumb people with dumb ideas are
always just going to have to swail their arms and
say whatever they need to in the moment in order

(28:50):
to get by. It's that George Costanza syndrome. You know,
if you believe it, well, it must be true here
and so you know this is who they are.

Speaker 7 (29:00):
Jerry, just remember.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
It's not a lie. If you believe.

Speaker 7 (29:06):
It, be here every weekday on the Cooner Report between
six and ten am, and next week it could be
you on Cooner's call log.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
Please don't be a stranger. Call again. Congratulations and again
to the audience, best audience in the business. Really this week,
in particular on some of the shows, the calls a
plus plus. Okay, let's go right back now to Richard
in New Hampshire. Richard, please so finish what you were

(29:41):
starting saying. You find that the narrative now that Brian
Cole Junior did this on his own, that he is
the January sixth pipe bomber, as you put it, absurd
on its face, So please check up where you left off.
Why do you think it is that he couldn't have

(30:01):
done it?

Speaker 3 (30:02):
Go ahead, Well, they put all kinds of people in
jail that they had just some sort of video of
them or something like that, and yet they couldn't find
this guy if supposedly for a year, for all this time,
the government, FBI, CIA, the government itself, Trump, the Democrats,

(30:24):
whatever you want to say, they're all corrupt. It is
unbelievably corrupt. And there's nothing that they say that is
the truth. Nothing is the truth that's coming out of
any of their mouths. Nothing. You have to look at history.
I mean, there's things going on in the fentanyl trade

(30:46):
of this nation that is involved in government officials up
here in New Hampshire. It's amazing that people just they
don't want to believe it because it's too horrible. Jeff,
It's too horrible for them to categorize in their minds.
And that's just the truth of it.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
Richard. Let me ask you just to bring it back
to Brian Cole and the J six pipe bombing, if
you know what is I mean, I'm just curious, what's
in it for a cash pattel, for a Dan Bongino,
for a Pam Bondie or a Janine Piro to come
up and say we've got the guy. It's Brian Cole Junior. Why,

(31:33):
in other words, why put on this dog and pony show.
What's the point Most people had forgotten about the J
six pipe bombing. It had been lying there in the
FBI building. It had been a cold case, cold case
for a very long time. So why then do the
whole dog and pony show yesterday? What's the point of it?

Speaker 3 (31:56):
All? Money? Money, That's the whole point of it. Absolute corruption,
unbelievable corruption. You really actually believe that Pam Bondi is
an honest person?

Speaker 4 (32:13):
Really?

Speaker 3 (32:14):
I mean, do you really believe that?

Speaker 5 (32:16):
Well?

Speaker 2 (32:16):
No, no, I mean I'm not a big fan of
Pam Bondi, you know that, Richard. But I'm just trying
to flush you out a little bit. So how do
they make the money? How does how does this line,
the pockets of a Bondi or a Cash Patel or
a Bongino.

Speaker 3 (32:29):
Kick Cheney. Look at all the people that were at
the people at his at his funeral. Look what they were,
all these leftists at as Anthony Fauci, Are you kidding me?
Do you understand how much money is involved in that
whole COVID thing that happened?

Speaker 2 (32:45):
I don't agree, No, no, I agree, right, But I'm talking
about just this here, Richard. In other words, uh, you
know what what do they get out of it?

Speaker 5 (32:55):
You know?

Speaker 2 (32:55):
As again as I mentioned Bondi, Piero, Patel, Bongino, how
do they financially benefit?

Speaker 3 (33:04):
They are all connected to the same corruption. It is
one big, corrupt, absolute malicious thing that's going on in
our government. Our government is nothing but a malicious, corrupt,
lying chamber just basically making money. Look at the debt

(33:26):
that we have, the where's that money coming from? And
all these people Nancy Pelosi, she's worth how many millions?
You know, These these senators, these congressmen, how much are
they getting paid? And yet they're making millions and millions
of dollars? Nobody questions that it's just that's okay. We

(33:46):
have a congressman up here, this Chris, I forget his
last name. It's the whole thing. It's so enraging to
me because nobody seems to pay attention to how corrupt
these people are. I mean, everybody says that Trump doesn't
take a paycheck. Well, he's making tremendous amounts of money

(34:10):
with all kinds of deals. Same thing with jd. Vance.
All of these people are so corrupt, Jeff. It's unbelievable
that nobody seems to. It's really take on the whole
of it, because a lot of it is. If they
do take it on and realize just how horrible things
are and how fatalistic it all is, it's just too

(34:34):
hard for them to take. And everybody's the same way,
pretty much, trying to get their house and their money
and their cars and whatever, instead of taking care of
our republic and the constitution by which it's supposed to
be being governed by.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
You know, Richard, I'm just curious, when do you think
everything went off the rails? Everything went off because you
have a lot of I mean, you have a lot
of people now, and I think they're right when they
say we probably have the most corrupt government on the planet. Now,
China's very corrupt, there's tremendous corruption, Russia very corrupt, European

(35:14):
Union very corrupt. So, but they're saying, you know, if
you look at you know, because you mentioned Pelosi, Pelosi
is now worth four hundred and fifty million dollars on
a two hundred thousand dollars a year salary. So and
it's through her husband, the insider trading of her husband.
But the point is you're looking about you know, she's

(35:35):
a half a half a billionaire. She's a modern day oligarch.
I mean, just to use her as an example, but
you can run down the whole line. So they are
fabulously wealthy. They come into Congress and they leave unimaginably wealthy.
And it's not one or two. You're right, it's an

(35:55):
overwhelming majority of them. When did this start to really
get out of control? I mean politics has always been dirty,
you know, there's always been corruption in politics that since
time immemorial. But where you have something this stinkingly, stinkingly corrupt,
this out of control corruption, that is you're right, we're

(36:19):
now at thirty eight what is it, thirty seven thirty
eight trillion dollars. I mean, just you want to know
who's making money off of this, it's the bankers. Because
there's a trillion dollars in debt, sorry, in interest. What
am I saying? A trillion dollars in interest every single year.
That's not even touching the principle of the debt. That's
just to pay the interest on the debt. That's a

(36:42):
trillion dollars a year. We pay more on the interest
on the debt than we do for anything else, more
than our defense, more than social security, more than healthcare,
you name it. So a lot of people, might you know,
the money off of that trillion dollars a year alone
is lining a lot of pockets. So when do you

(37:06):
think it? Just we veered off into a kleptocracy. That's
what this really is. It's a kleptocracy, a rule of thieves.
So when do you think this happened, Richard?

Speaker 3 (37:18):
I'll tell you when it happened, Jeff, I'll tell you
when it started. It started with reconstruction after the Civil War,
and then the Constitutional Act of eighteen seventy one when
they changed the constitution, they changed the wording of the constitution,
and then the creation of the Federal Reserve in nineteen thirteen,
which its charter was supposed to be revisited in twenty thirteen,

(37:42):
which Obama didn't even bother to even open up that
the books on the Federal Reserve.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
Interesting. Interesting. I think the Federal Reserve was a major mistake.
I agree with you. I think it really. I mean, yes,
the Federal Reserve laid the groundwork, no question, but to
me it was FDR. I think that was the Personally,
I think the New Deal FDR that was the tipping
point in my personal opinion. But anyway, we can agree

(38:12):
to disagree. Richard, Thank you very much for that call. Okay,
coming up next. You are not gonna believe. You're not
gonna believe these stories. I got two stories for you.
The extent now to which the Left is willing to
politicize Christmas, and the extent now to which they are

(38:38):
committing themselves to open borders and unlimited third world immigration.
You are not gonna believe these two stories. One is local,
the other one is national, and they're both connected.
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