The Story Of Vincent Gigi Marino Part One

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
And welcome to Cindy Stumpo topes Nails on wb Z
and we are here tonight with who Sammy Stumpo. Okay,
let's go, let's move it. Come on, Dennis, get a personality,
you the mic, Come on, Dennis Patino.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Okay, Rex Obama, Vincenti.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
Marino, Okay, Vincent, tell my listeners, who are you?

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Vincent Chigi Marino I was.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
Born closer to the Mike Hounty.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Vincent Chisei Marino. I was born in Boston, grew up
in Revere, lived in East Boston, and lived in the
North End. I had the benefits of three cities.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
You got Revere.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
I was born in Boston. Yeah, grew up in Revere,
I lived in Easty, and I lived in the North.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
End, around a bunch of Italians, your home.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
A bunch of good guys, A bunch of good guys.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
Okay, where do you want to start with your story?
You tell me? I guess we could stay take it
from the beginning.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
Yeah, I guess we can start where. I grew up
in the Revere projects, play sports every day, football base.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
By the way, Ray, yes, you did, grew up with Gigi. Okay,
So I just want you to realize that your reputation
in high school in Revere was a solid kid, good kid, easygoing,
great guy. Right, that was your reputation an athlete, Yes,
student and athlete. Okay, I had the whole You had

(01:16):
everything going for you. Okay, take it from there.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
Everything was going smooth, you know, playing sports every day,
like I said, football, baseball and basketball and hockey, and
you know, everything went good until I found out who
my real father was. And I found out in a
rough way, because what happened was I walked into the

(01:40):
house and my stepfather, who I thought was my real father,
wanted to arm wrestle me. So I was arm wrestling,
but I you know, I was like nineteen years old.
I took it as a joke. And he was a big, strong,
long showman, and I beat him left hand, and then
he wanted to arm wrestle right hand, and I beat
him right hand. And then he took the table over
and he started to come at me with punches. But
I was like, nothing could bother me, you know what

(02:01):
I mean. He's throwing these punchers and I'm blocking them.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
But this here's You're thinking, this is your father.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
Absolutely, and it's like to me, it's like playfighting, you
know what I mean. And I was strong and so
nothing hurted me anyway. My mother walked in and screamed,
take your hands off my son, and I was like,
what you know what I mean, he's not your real son.
And that was it.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
And you were howled well, nineteen, so you're nineteen when
you figure.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
Out nineteen twenty right around there.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
And then, so she must have known there had to
be some a little tension in the house between you
and your stepdad.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
No, well, there was always tension, you know what I mean.
It was you're a good kid, but I didn't think
anything out of the order. Every like he would match
me with his son, which I found out later that
was his real son.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
He was always bigger, so he would compare you or
match She would.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
Match me and compete me with his son, who was
bigger and stronger. We'd have a fight over like let's
say a cod game. Come on going downstairs, we're going
to straighten this out. We went down the cell of
the fight, let off a bunch of punches. He didn't win,
and that was the last time he invited us down
stairs with his son. But I thought he was my
real brother. So I didn't think there was anything out
of the ordinary.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
So this is all normal. But did you see that
he might have been rooting for his eyes side.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
I didn't pay attention to that. That wasn't relevant to
me growing up exactly.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
And then mom comes down and then spits out what
she spits.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
Out, Well, during that one incident, which was years later,
it wasn't during the fight with his son.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
No, this is nineteen This when you're nineteen.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
Right around nineteen twenty.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
And you say what at that point to your mom?

Speaker 2 (03:34):
And I was like what, And then you know, tears
went from my eyes and I just gone on my
bike and just kept driving, driving through cities and just
kept going and trying to figure this whole thing out.
And at that point I felt deceived. You never want
to lie to your kids, that's number one. You never
want to deceive your kids, because they're going to grow
up to hate you, you know what I mean, They're
gonna grow up with some type of vendetta. So that's

(03:56):
why I happened.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
Okay, So if a mom deceives her child, it's not protected.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
It's not no, because you have to be honest.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
With your kids no matter what age.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
No matter what, you have to be honest with them.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
No one asked you over there, blonde, you go ahead.
That was a selfish question that I just asked. Okay,
I know you don't think there's certain things children shouldn't
know so they're a little bit older.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
I mean certain things. It depends on you know, but
something like that you should know.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
So you think your mom should have told you.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
And she should have ever changed my name at two
years old, I was an identity victim. I had no
say in it. I was born Vincent Michael Marino. She
changed it to Portella. See when we all have the
same name. And then that caused a dilemma later in
life because now when I changed my name back legally
through the courts, you know, they think everything's fraud today.
So you have to change your solid security, you got

(04:44):
to change your birth certificate. It's a big headache.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
And then you find out who your real dad is, correct,
and then you say, what I'm supposed to follow in
his footsteps?

Speaker 2 (04:53):
Well, not necessarily. I wanted to meet that side of
the family, and we did. I met that side of
the family. They were from Shaka, Sicily, a commercial fisherman,
and my aunt was a successful restaurant tour. She had
two restaurants, one on Fleet Street in the north then
called Bernado's, and then she had one on Little Prince
Street called Kylum Marinos, named after my grandfather. I went

(05:14):
to work for her there and learned the restaurant business.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
And would your dad do your real dad?

Speaker 2 (05:19):
My dad was only twenty years old when he died, No,
twenty two. He died about two three months before I
was born.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
So he was was he a hood kid?

Speaker 2 (05:29):
Was on the streets wild? Pretty wild?

Speaker 1 (05:32):
And your stepfather was what a police officer?

Speaker 2 (05:34):
He was? No, he was an international longshoreman. He was
a tough.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
Travel around rever. Excuse me, it's how rumors travel. I
heard that he was a police officer, but.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
No, he wasn't. No, no, no, he was a long shoreman,
my stepfather you're talking about, right, Yeah, he was a
long showman Irish. He was actually half a time half Irish.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
Okay, take it from there. What does a longshoreman mean?
Am I allowed to ask?

Speaker 2 (05:58):
They unload the ships that come in from all over
the world.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
And back then when he was along shoreman, everything was bulwark.
They had to walk. Now it's all machines. They're pushing
botons and things are coming off. You know, my grandfather
was one, right, that's a blood.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
We don't care. I need to know Jesus life. Now
you're okay, we'll let him speak when he can speak.
I'm speaking to you directly. And then you're the producer
of the movie like correct director. Okay, and you're the best, buddy.
That's how we got this located. I'm going on right now. Okay,

(06:34):
I got more Italians in this room. They know what
to do at you guys are tight, No, you're not tight. Okay,
all right, So now mom and dad, Mom and your
stepdad stay together.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
They do, they do, they do. But there was a
little turbulence in the family. He worked hard, but he'd
like to drink hard too, and when he drank, he
would get pretty much out of control.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
And then you'd have to protect her, right, And.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
Of course, you know, as we got older, we got bigger,
and we got stronger. We protected a little, were proficient.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
And I like that word. That's a good word. I
like that word. Yeah, that's a great word. I like
that word. I think that's a new word. I need
to use. Tennis.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
What we're doing. And then at that point he couldn't
live in the same household as me because I got
very proficient at protecting her. Yes, and I went and.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
I left and you left there, right, but.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
I would come back here and there just to taunt them.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
Well, sometimes you.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
Have to do that kind of kept them in line.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
It's still your mom, right, excuse me, it's still your
mom exactly.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
Jobs to protect her.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
As that's a double edged sword. You pissed at her
because she didn't tell you the truth, but you still
want to protect her exactly. But she was am growing up.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
She was a good mom. She cooked for us, she
you know, clean. She was a very over disciplinary just
like my stelf father. They you know, nowadays you just
want to disciline your kids. You don't want to hit them.
I mean we got beat like we got hit with
everything woods.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
I think proj was getting hit.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
I believe in discipline. Like nowadays, the kids they're not disciplined.
You know, if the mother and father goes to.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
We don't discipline them at all.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
They tell them, they tell them in school when they
get arrested. So you have these brats growing up that
doesn't know the wood consequences or respect.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
And it's my biggest problem, by the way, excuse me,
my biggest problem.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
Right. I don't think it's just your problem. I think
it's a lot of people's problems.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
I know, I think that, oh God, this sticking the camera. Okay,
we're going off to break. I'm sending stump when you're
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ten thirty. And I'm sending I'm here with go ahead
and let them go. Dennis, what can you move? Listen,
I need personnel in the studio.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
Dennis Petrosino okay, and Vincent.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
Marino Okay, go ahead, Gigi pick it up. I'm still
gonna always call you Gigi. I can't do the one.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
No problem whatsoever? Where do we leave off?

Speaker 1 (08:56):
I don't know. The kids didn't need to have consequences
in my bra That's right.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
These kids today, they're not growing up with discipline. And
I don't mean beat your kids, but discipline isn't necessarily
in a family, because you want the kids to grow
up with respect for their mother and father and know
that there is consequences for anything. You do wrong and
actually learn the word no, because if you don't learn
the word no when you're younger, you grow up and
become an uncontrollable monster. And you could spoil your kids.

(09:21):
It's not the right way to go. Let them earn
their dollar, let them earn respect, let them earn you know,
their living. Okay, you can help them a little head,
give them a little head. Stop. But today the parents
are just spoiling the kids so rotten they just don't
know the word respect.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
Called I call the parents' wackerdoodles, and I call the
kids aliens. But it's okay, right, it is what it is.
We grew up in a different generation right where you
did respect. Right, My follage had to give you that
eyebrow and I went stage left. Oh sure, I didn't push, right,
I didn't push. Okay, take me from here. Now. Now
you're twenty something and you decide what you're going to

(09:59):
do what with your life?

Speaker 2 (10:00):
I mean, I mean when I left high school, I
was on my way to come to State Trooper. I
took the test, and how I took this test was
pretty usual. I'm driving down the street in Broadway, Revere,
and my friend that was a member of the Boxton
Club that I wasn't belonged to. He was hitchhiking, so
I gave him a ride. He said, listen, can you

(10:21):
give me a ride at Boston State College? I have
to take a state Civil Service exam, And so I said, yeah,
jump in. So I gave a ride. So I'm on
my way to Boston State College. He goes, why don't
you take the test with me. I said, I'm not interested.
He goes, oh, I'm going to take the test. You
should take the test. It's only like twenty dollars. I
took the test, I passed. He flunked, and ended up
being the state police exam. I got like an eighty

(10:42):
six on it. He flunked. So they called me to
the academy to do the physical agility tests and all
that stuff. And I passed it fluently. And then they say, listen,
you're perfect for this job, but we can't hire you
because a proposition two and a half. Back then, back
in nineteen eighty, proposition two and a half, we can't
hire white people. We have to hire minorities first, even

(11:04):
if they got a sixty on the exam compared to
your eighty six, and I got bumped, and that's what happens.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
So you got bumped because of DII.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
I got bumped because I wasn't a minority and because
of that proposition two and a half. So from that
point on, I.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
So if you didn't get bumped, there's a good chance
you stata I meant.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
Would have probably been a good sense. I was going
to become a state trouble.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
Okay, that doesn't happen playing the state for them. No,
it is what it is, right, So that's a conversation
for another day. But because of that, now you decide
you're going to go from the legal path.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
It wasn't like that quick. I mean I was always working.
I started washing dishes at dir Durgon Park, making twenty
five cash a day.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
I remember that place. You used to call your ass
and this and then yell at you, scream with you
those way becaus down your house. That was part of
the game. What do you want? What do you want?
What do you want? That like our version of Dick
slass Resort. I don't know what Dick's lass resort was.
That's what they did. They yell you, Oh yeah, they
yell Okay, so you're out there working yep.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
And like I said, I was making twenty five cash
a day. I was a you know, a rich little
kid like because I was making money. Not that I
was rich, but you know I was making twenty five
cash a day back then when I was doing teen
year Oh that was a lot of money, okay, you know.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
And then so I always worked, all right, So you've
always been a working.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Then I worked as a bouncer deja vu the Hobor
House and Lynn I don't remember that cross from Jacob Lowd.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
Those are my stopping grounds. So daija vu, I'm working
there as a waitress out by the pool with crazy
a Nastas.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
Okay, so remember Frankie deepas quality.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
Frankie's a very different was with my.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
I used to work for them.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
Okay. So we are jo with Joe Cataldo to Brother,
all the crazies, my father and Max Wow. So yeah,
so now you're talking to the hob House.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
Yeah, walk to night Monday night.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
The rock clubs, Aerosmith would come out, not let us
know they're even.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
Coming out night on Thursday.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
And then we had Jacob's Ladder on a Sunday night,
Sunday night and Monday night. If you have Monday, I
think it was Monday Monday night. Okay, yep, we all
grew up in the same yeah, doing the same. So
now what goes on, Gigi?

Speaker 2 (13:22):
Well, so since I'm on my own because I got
thrown out of the house, now I have to make
a living, just working as a bouncer at a night
club is just not going to do it. So I
shoted graduating to stick ups and other things, and.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
Okay, let's go there graduate sick.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
Actually nobody got killed, No, we got hurt. I got
my money.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
Okay, so stick ups meant what I'm Robbie's like, where.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
Robbing things, just things, everything, everything, anything can get my
hands on.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
Were you down the North End doing it or no?

Speaker 2 (13:52):
I was everywhere everywhere that there was money.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
Were you sticking up.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
Your own never? Never?

Speaker 1 (13:58):
So you didn't go down the North End act like
an ass sticking up those guys?

Speaker 2 (14:01):
No?

Speaker 1 (14:02):
No, So when they when you decided that, okay, we're
going to go from sticking.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
Up to what, of course it's over the statue of limitations.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
Okay, a long long time ago, that's correct. We're only
going to talk about anything that can't hurt you. Here
right right, So we're gonna be very careful and we
can always and if we say something wrong, because that's
why I would not never bring you on live. Okay,
So we go to stick ups and then I hear
this is me now, this is what I hear, and

(14:31):
this is what's coming to me. So statue might mean nothing.
Here I'm hearing Gijus taken over the North End.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
I mean, that just doesn't happen it one day. I
get that I'm saying, And that's basically something that you know,
sometimes people just pump it stulf up in the newspaper too,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
Were you ready to take over that area? Did you
want that?

Speaker 2 (14:56):
I mean the North End was just a little small.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
Area the way that the Jewlis ran forever.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
Right, they ran it for a while.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
Yeah, did you want that area?

Speaker 2 (15:07):
I mean it was probably powercast.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
Let me ask you a bigger question. Did you want
to become the big guy down the I mean.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
When I was younger, I probably had that ambition. Okay,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
You got to go back in time.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
Now, yeah, I have to go back in time. I mean,
of course, nowadays your philosophy.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
Is going to be different now, right exactly, You've spent
how many years in jail?

Speaker 2 (15:26):
Twenty eight since nineteen ninety.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
Six, So you went into jail.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
At what age thirty five and left at sixty three?

Speaker 1 (15:35):
And at thirty five when got put in, they got you.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
On what say that again?

Speaker 1 (15:40):
When they got you? Right, how did you get you?

Speaker 2 (15:44):
Actually they created manufactured the whole case. Okay, it was political.
The government instigated the whole.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
Case because they won another Italian off the streets.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
Absolutely, I mean, that's definitely one of the prongs today.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
So they said, let's get the let's get the guinea
off the streets before he gets some traction underneath.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
Them, right, Well, especially when you know I wasn't their informant,
which a lot of them were.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
And that's what dearing lies the problem. You knew that
you were coming in at a time right after the
in jewels all get put away, there's all rats going on,
there's no loyalty. Did you think you were going to
get the loyalty out of these guys?

Speaker 2 (16:25):
Well? You young, remember a lot of this stuff wasn't
exposed back then. Eventually it did get exposed. So you
know when I was coming up, it was starting to
get exposed little by little, but it took years to
be exposed because the FBI informants were a lot of
the serial killer informants.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
So hold on here, you're thirty, I'm trying to do.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
My from my age ninety six thirty five.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
Well, we already knew why the Bulger was an informant.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
Well it wasn't. It was. It was in the paper
in nineteen eighty eight, and then the retracted because they
didn't want to get everybody killed. So it was there.
There was a leak, and some people thought he was,
some people didn't think it was, and some people thought
it was medium manipulation trying to get him killed or whatever.
So there's, you know, there's two versions to that. So

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nobody really knew for a fact he was, and then
later they found out.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
Later the whole world exactly, but a lot of people did.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
After twenty something, thirty something murders later, Yeah, by an
employment being protected by the.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
FBI, and he's in jail too.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
Still well, yeah, eventually they target him and he goes
to jail and he ends up getting killed by suppose,
hypothetically three Boston guys.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
How many stents in jail did you do? Oh?

Speaker 2 (17:38):
I lost count, but overall I did. But overall, Okay,
your first time thirty five years.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
We've done thirty five years. Your first time that.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
Year and a half years in the Hampshire prison. How
old I was in my twenties?

Speaker 1 (17:54):
So okay, I'm gonna put my head in your head.
I go to jail in my early twenty right, maybe
middle twenties. Yeah, and you got two and a half years.
Was that enough to make you come out and say,
you know what, maybe I don't want to fly down
this road?

Speaker 2 (18:11):
Actually no, it was. It was more like excitement to me.
It wasn't anything like, hey listen, let's not go this way.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
It was workout time.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
All right. So you guess Okay, you come out after
two and a half years, and how long before you're
back in there? Ah?

Speaker 2 (18:28):
Well that was like what I went back home?

Speaker 1 (18:31):
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Speaker 2 (18:40):
Tempo, and I'm Dennis Petrisino, Vincent Gigi Marino and Rex
upon went.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
When did we even come? Vincent, I'd always known you
as Gigi.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
Well, I was born Vincent Michael Marino. Okay, my nickname
Gigi came from my grandfather on my mother's side to Santapios,
Santapio's pizza in his his Boston.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
This use way with santapo was yours too.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
That was No, it wasn't mine specifically, it was my cousin,
my family, my year. My mother was a Santapio and
her father, which was my grandfather, was Vincent Giggi Santapio,
who was one of the biggest bookmakers in New England history.
Back in sixty years ago. He was making like nine
man a year. But he was a good guy. He
was one of eighteen.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
Sixty years ago he was making about nine million a year.
Do you know what that is today?

Speaker 2 (19:25):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
I can't do the numbers right now my brain either. Okay,
but nine million dollars a year year? What year?

Speaker 2 (19:33):
Oh, it was like sixty years ago, so figured it
out three nineteen sixty four maybe.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
So this is all on your dad's side, No, my
mother's side, So your mom was also tied into my
mother craziness too.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
My mother father was one of eighteen brothers and sisters,
and when they came over, they had to feed the family.
So one was a baker, one was a pizza maker,
one was a seamstress, one was a book maker, one
was a jywalk one was professional boxer. They all had
a fee.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
Some people don't know what charlocks are.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
They loan money at an interest rate and you have.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
To pay it, and if you don't pay.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
It, usually something bad happens.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
Now they're called hard money guys.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
But I see money guys.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
I like that is that now the illegal they're all
called hard money guys.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
That's good.

Speaker 1 (20:18):
But in the day, it wasn't like that. You didn't pay,
you didn't pay, yeah, oh boy.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
So I even hear the word hard money guys when
I started building a.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
Twenty three, I'm like, it's equated with the Uh.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
It goes right for that, Yeah, it goes right that
world to me. So like, I'm like, you have hard
money guys, would be crazy. You're gonna lose a couple
of legs.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
Nice way of saying it.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
Now, hard money guys, you know they've legalized that business. Okay,
so now you come out of jail, and then you're
back in jail. How much longer?

Speaker 2 (20:45):
Well, let's do the math. Uh, firearm charge nineteen eighty nine,
so it wasn't that long, maybe a couple of years.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
So now firearm charge.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
Right, a firearms charge okaygrested by the state police.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
So you got in trouble for holding a weapon, right,
and they put you in jail for how much long?

Speaker 2 (21:02):
Okay? Now it was originally a stage.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
Gigi, there's more going on behind the scenes. They're just
getting you on the this is what There's more going
on behind the scenes, but this is what they get
you on exactly.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
So seven hours after so let me get shot. I
get rested with a firearms with three other.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
People, and that's what they accused you of.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
Well, they had me suspect in it. So they're doing
the math. They're saying there was four people in the car,
but four people just got a rest with firearms. So
they're trying to say that the four they got rest
of the firearms was the ones that were responsible for
the Celembia attempt that the government instigated and fermented the violence,
which not too many people know.

Speaker 1 (21:44):
So when you look back and we'll go forward and backwards.
Everything you've seen with your corruption, the governments is corrupted
as you guys.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
Probably more because the little edge with that you know.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
Badge, they get the edge with the badge.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
They have a license to do it.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
Yeah. Uh huh. I've been saying this for thirty years,
but they're basically no, no, no, no, you know, but okay,
so now they get you on a fire on possession
and then they move you to where.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
Okay, I get arrested by the state. So I was
in every police station for three days. I get bill,
I go to who's your lawyer?

Speaker 1 (22:25):
Back then?

Speaker 2 (22:25):
Edward gon Jewel, excellent lawyer, former district attorney, excellent lawyer. Yeah,
I know it, great lawyer. He uh was my lawyer.

Speaker 1 (22:34):
And but most of the guys who are using the
guy the Brookline what's his name? An the tang guy
who's that? You're gonna ask my brain right now? Who
not Ballero? I didn't trust Ballero?

Speaker 2 (22:48):
Well, Richie Egbert was a big.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
Well which was the best?

Speaker 2 (22:55):
Was he from over there?

Speaker 1 (22:56):
Leppo was a Newton guy. He wasn't as big. Another
one that's Chess and Hilaria.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
I'm trying to remember. Yeah, I know exactly.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
Frank something Frank, Yes, Frank is his last name. Wow,
he handled Joey whye right, so but Frank, yeah, he
was like exactly that kable where I live. A good lawyer,
not the good lawyer, but edbro was one of the best.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
Right, definitely, it is one of the best.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
So now you're back in the cairn on a gun charge, correct,
But it's deeper than that. But they get you on
the gun charge.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
Right, and they have They only made it federal to
basically to squeeze me, hoping I would come forward with
the to be a rat, right, in which that never happened.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
Okay, so now you go spend how many more years and.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
All together four and a half on that. The only
reason a gun charge, right, only reason why I didn't
get more time because back then in nineteen eighty nine,
eighteen uar C check in nine twenty two G one
found the possession of firearm carried zero to five, but
then it jumped after that to zero to ten. But
I still wouldn't have got that much time because I
had no prior drug or violent convictions. And that's when

(24:07):
it enhances your sentence up to fifteen to life if
you have a prior drug violent convictions. It's called I'm
correct criminal or correct criminal, and I wasn't that.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
So are you amazed that guys like break into people's
homes home time? So say that's again, hold on, give
me a second armed home invasions, getting an ankle bracelet
out on one thousand dollars and not having to cover
a lot.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
Of some When you see people get sweet hot deals
like that, they'd usually something behind it.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
They usually we've had a lot of problems with migrants
and Brookline and that's what they were, right.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
But when people get that usually like like you get
a liberal file left judge Democrat, they'll probably let them out,
you know what I mean. But and if they do
get a good deal like that, they get on bail.
Use it. They told the police something to get that
sweet hot deal. That's what you u. He happens, all.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
Right, So now you're back in jail. You come out
of jail, and g still doesn't want to fly.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
Yeah, eighty nine, I was only on the street probably
before this was like three years. So actually since eighty nine,
I was only on the streets for like three years.
So and then they creating manufacture a drug case against
me East Coast, West Coast thing John Smiley, Mealy's wearing
a wire. He's from BC and Charlie McConnell from me

(25:30):
c's wearing a wire. John Smiley meetings all the time.
Mcconnald's half a time, half Irish. They both have wires,
and they both working for two different agencies, and they
don't know about each other, and they're both tigging to me.
So mcconnald's wearing a wire.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
One doesn't know their target.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
They don't. Yeah, they don't know about each other because
it's two different stings on me at the same time.
So mcconnald's wife by the FBI tigging to me, and
me Lee on a conspiracy. Me Lee's TI is wired
by the DA tiggering to me and McConnell. We both
we all go out to Vegas in Arizona and there's
still this you know, this this sting on me. But

(26:07):
guess what, there's not a crime because I can't conspire
with no agents or informers of government. I lose fifteen
thousand hypothetically on a buy which I can't conspire with.
Agents are in pharmasts of the government, so really there
was no crime committed. Then when they find out that
there was no crime committed, they said, oh my god,
this guy's going to let go. And they don't tell
me that there was no crime committed. They have me

(26:29):
pleading out to something that's not a crime, so my
brother wouldn't get arrested. I took a ten year hit,
but they volunteered the informant. I took a ten year
hit right at the same time, I get hit with
a RICO racketeering influence corrupting the organization at the same time,
they created the RICO because they were losing that case

(26:51):
because if they had to come forward with the discovery,
it would be no crime. So they don't want to
let me go, so they throw me on this RICO case.
I really have nothing to do with They told me
on this case. And what happened was I got thirty
five on the RICO and I got the ten concoment
with the thirty five, But they didn't disclose that McConnell

(27:13):
was an informant. Obviously we knew Mealy was informed because
he testified on my RICO case. So by them not
disclosing it, I had this conviction and a loss of
fifteen thousand supposed to buy money, which wasn't a crime.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
Gigi. Everything you've said, they've not caught you on Murdy yet,
They've not got you on anything nothing.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
Everything was heresay, he said, She said. The informist can't
understand that. My Rico Troal says, what do you know
about Jigi? Well, he did this, he shot this one,
stabbed this one. Did you see it? No, how do
you know? I read in the newspaper or I saw
her on the news. Nobody was physically seen. It was
no tangible evidence.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
Do you think when you got to that twenty something
year old stage, you just had a lot of anger
in you. Yes, you had a point to prove.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
Was definitely anger for sure.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
If you could look back now and go back to
those days, right, would you've done anything different?

Speaker 2 (28:07):
Would probably not had the anger. I probably would eliminate
the anger.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
Pot So you think the anger is what put you
on the streets.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
I'm thinking so, you know, because I got.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
There a long time to think about in the king
to see you are a lot of time.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
And I certainly did, and I got to see it,
and like I said, the best revenge is to be healthy.
And successful.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
I say the best revenge is living a good life, but.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
But successful one. Being healthy lives a good life. If
you're not healthy, you're not going to live a good
life because you're not gonna be around. So you have
to be health that.

Speaker 1 (28:39):
Stage, you're only about street justice, okay, and a lot
of us Boston people, we can't get that out of
our heads, right. It's just never leaving us, right, And
that's just the way we were raised. Hold that thought,
we're going to break. I'm Sinny stumbling you listening to
Toughest Nails and we'll be right back and welcome back
to Toughest Nails on WBZ and Dennis, I hear you

(29:00):
with Tera Smith. But that was our group, guys. That
was our Boston group. That was our Revere group. Group
of Rever what's.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
That official group of rev.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
Absolutely official group of Revere. Okay, I'm just trying to
get past all the I'll go back to there, but
I'm trying to get how many years straight? So your
next stunt in jail, stint and jail is when that was?

Speaker 2 (29:21):
Okay, So I did a two and a half in
the state, and then I did four and a half
in the federal. Then I was out on the street
well three years, and then I picked up twenty eighth straight.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
So you actually had how many years on the street before?

Speaker 2 (29:35):
Three since nineteen eighty nine, not counting the time I'm out.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
So the three years you were on the streets out
of all these years, and they put you in jail
for all this length of time, what was the best
they got you on?

Speaker 2 (29:49):
Actually? Evanthing was he said, she said here say they
really had no independent grab.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
How'd you end up spending so much?

Speaker 2 (29:55):
Because I have a corrupt judge, Nathaniel I'm going thirty
three degree mas multi billionaire. He never went by the ruse,
He didn't go by the constitution. Every time my lawyer,
Robert Sheketov was a good lawyer. It was a Russian
Jewish guy, excellent lawyer. Every time he brought up the
Whitey Bulger see rife Mcflemy andrew sonny maccurial corruption with
John Conley, the judge would threaten my lure in court,

(30:16):
say you mention them names again, I'm holding you contempt
the court. So we couldn't get the discovery, the real
truth out, and we wasn't getting the discovery from the
government because they were concailing it because it proved egregious
governmental misconduct.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
Do you think they were trying to put the Flemy
shooting on you the.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
Celem They were definitely well, I was charging.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
Me while that was Diane's father.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
I was charged with it. I was indicted for it. It
was over the Satchel limitations, so it wasn't a substantive act,
which would have made it stronger. It was a recal
predicate act, which is very weak. So they did it
within a ten year span because the five year satue
already ran out. It was seven years, nine months, four
days when I got indicted for it, and they had

(31:00):
no proof that I had any involvement whatsoever. They Michael
Buckley was a corrupt FBI agent. Was John Cornley's potner,
who was way way the one. Well, he just got out.
He got forty years for a murder. He got out.
He did ten in the FEDS.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
I thought Colly they let up, maybe because he got out.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
He got on Capatcher at least on in the state.
He had forty years for murder in Florida, who he
got out, but Buckley was his partner. Buckley was far
worse than Conley. Buckley slipped through the cracks.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
I'm confused. You're telling me Conley's now out of jail.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
He's been out of jail way before I got out.

Speaker 1 (31:33):
About the FBA.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
Yeah, the FBI agent, he got out.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
I thought he got cancer.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
No, he got out. Well, whether that was he got
cancer or not, he got out. He's still alive. He
got out. He got out years before me. Okay, But Buckley,
the agent, was far worse than Conley. He slipped through
the cracks.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
What do they have you on. The worst thing that
you did?

Speaker 2 (31:55):
Conspiracy the murder. Conspiracy's murders me and you can be
talking about killing this guy or that guy, and there's
no overdeck required to be convicted. So therefore it's not
a violent crime. If you look at creonas versus the
Attorney General out of the Third Circuit twenty nineteen and
McCollum versus the United States out of the Fourth Circuit

(32:15):
clearly and concededly says it's not a violent crime because
it's an aquitic crime and it has no substance. So
I got convicted of conspiracy the murder, and the maximum
I should have got was ten years. I got it
twenty five years.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
Say were you getting cocaine conspiracy? We go charges right.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
I was convicted of two predicate acts, cocaine conspiracy and conspiracy,
the murder conspiracy. The murder maximum charge is ten years.
They gave me a twenty five year enhancement for the
June sixteen, eighty nine semi a tempted murder that the
jury found me not proven beyond a reasonable doubt on
December twenty second, nineteen ninety nine as predicate Act A

(32:52):
two and Rico and Reco conspiracy. Then they enhanced me
for the Suiser murder that I wasn't even indicted for
that my co defender and admitted killing the guy to
protect his son because he killed his son.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
I'm confused now, yeah, I'm confused.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
Okay again, I got enhanced.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
The question they're paying attention to you, Okay, I think
using my common sense and knowing that world the way
I know it, they knew you were making traction. So
you're going to do anything to take you down. That's
just my take on. So they had to find a
way to put you in that can. And it created

(33:29):
manufactured decrease because as I was hearing, and it could
be false. Right again, this is rumors again. Guys are
going off the buildings on the north then right like
there's a lot going on, so and somebody had to run.
They itali him up. If you never got put away,

(33:50):
would you have stayed in there and became the made
man there? You think?

Speaker 2 (33:54):
I mean, anything is possible. But what I'm what I'm
saying is they instigated the whole thing. I was walking
in my house one day and Calmley, Callen and Buckley
approached me and said, FBI, we're here to warn you.
Frank solemn Me's trying to kill you. They go and
bump into my my friend's lawyer at Joe Tecci's restaurant,

(34:16):
and John Connley, the agent, tells Anti Continali, the lawyer,
that so lem Me is trying to kill his client forever.
So what the government did was instigated fromented violence, you understand.

Speaker 1 (34:28):
So they put in your head that they're going to
kill you to get them before they let me, who.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
Was a professional bomb maker who was successful with Bobosa
and wiping out the Irish marb and child sound single
handley to both of them, and they're letting me think
that this guy's trying to kill me, you know, so
they instigate and fermented violence.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
So they're just playing a whole big game, right.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
And there's a book called corntaeil Pro where they go
within an organization and have everybody kill each other and
then they arrest everybody later. You have to read the book,
Go and tel pro. It was a method that Jay
Eggar Hoover used, destroy from within.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
And then you come out of jail all these years later,
you've given up more than half your life in jail.
Was it really worth it?

Speaker 2 (35:16):
I mean, none of it was words, But whoever counted
on the corruption? They created a manufactured create. I got
a twenty five year enhancement for conduct. I beat a
trial that can't happen in a civilized, democratic society.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
So your constitutional rights were taken away?

Speaker 2 (35:32):
Well, I mean you enhanced my the judge enhanced my
sentence for crime I was found not proven by a
jury beyond a reasonable doubt. How do you do that now?
Amendment one of the US Sentence Commission comes along says
that illegally can't do it. That came out November one,
twenty twenty four. McClinton out of Supreme Court unanimously says
you can't do it, and Congress bipartisan Republican Democrats HR

(35:58):
sixteen sixteen twenty one and Bill S six or one
or all on board saying it's illegally, you can't do it.
And they did it, and I got away with it,
and I finished the time.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
Let me ask your preso. Now I'm gonna I'm going
to ask you. You're just an opinion. I'm not asking.
This is just how they say it. What you think, okay,
doesn't mean it's factual. How come every time the Italians
start to make movement in Boston, legs come right undneath them.

(36:29):
But then you get all the other Vietnamese, Russian blah
blah blah blah. Why is it always the Italians had
taken down?

Speaker 2 (36:36):
Because it's a vendetta. What happened was years ago when
the Irish controlled the bootleg and the organic organized crime
in Boston. I'm talking years ago with Kennedy. There's a
book right, It's called Pattywocks. You have to read the
book what is by TJ. English. Very good book. It's
about nine hundred one thousand pages thousand, nine hundred and

(37:02):
two one thousand pages. You have to Yeah, come download it.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
Anook and you have to you have.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
To read this book, a very good book. Well, at
the time, the Irish got called Patty Whack, got whack
throughout the country that were controlling all the bulllegg and
hypothetically by the Italian. So what ended up happening is
the Irish got smart and said, hey, let's become cops,
let's become prosecutors, let's become judges. And I have a

(37:27):
lot of good Irish friends, don't get me wrong, then
I'm not like that. And that's what happened. It was
a vendetta. So when they became prosecutors and judges and
lawyers and politicians and agents and cops, it was get
back time. And that's what happened. There was a vendetta.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
Is amazing. It's like Balder and his brother right, one
became a politician and one became white.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
A serial KILLERND so that seemed.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
To be the thing. So you take Federal Hill up
in Rhode Island, Irish Italian and it's you've watched the
show Brotherhood. I don't know it goes way back, but
it seems like they went down that road to protect
their own people.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
You're talking about who.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
I'm talking about when the Irish became cops. Oh yeah, yeah,
they used that at their VIAA. But then they they're
getting they're getting everything right.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
They weaponized their position of power, so it became a vendetta,
you know what I'm saying. And that's basically what happened
in throughout the years. It was just an animosity type
of thing. And but they had the positions, you know,
they weaponized the judicial system, you know, being uh, prosecutors
and so on and so forth.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
When did you wake up and realize what the hell
did I do with my life? Oh? You don't care? Still? Oh?

Speaker 2 (38:51):
I mean, of course I care. I mean, but like
I said, I can't control the corruption.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
Oh that thought were going to break. I'm sitting stumbling.
Listen Tough Snails on WBZ. We'll be right back and
welcome back to Toughest Nails on WBZ. Sammy take it
from here. Gigi. We really like you to come back
because there's obviously so much more that we haven't heard.
So can you come back next Saturday night?

Speaker 2 (39:10):
Absolute would love to.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
We would love to have you. Perfect. Great, we'll pick
this up next weekend. Everybody, have a great, safe weekend
and we will see you next week. This is Cindy
Stompo Toughest Nails on WBZ and have a great, safe
weekend