December 7, 2025 • 27 mins
Coach Gottlieb addresses recent controversy in the headlines after he threw a chair following a tough loss to Robert Morris, why he feels the story was sensationalized for clicks, and what he needs to do better next time he’s in a similar situation..
He also discusses Kentucky’s early season struggles, and Mark Pope’s program taking incoming fire from former players like Boogie Cousins, and how Cousins could better use his energy to help the program.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Hey, want to welcome in. I'm Doug Gottlieb, and this
is all ball my story.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
I guess my team has been in the news, so
why not do a podcast and drop it. The other
night we were playing Robert Morris, who's the defending league
and conference tournament champion in the Horizon League. We had
eleven point lead late in the game, two thirty eight
to go up nine with minute and change to go,
and lost in regulation. I mean it, it's remarkable, obviously
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in not a good way.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
And so when you're in this position, you're the head
coach and you.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Know your team is playing pretty well, it's pretty good team.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
I guess in it.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
In it, you're supposed to have the balance of hey,
we're still good. We just found a way to lose
the game we rightfully should have won. I guess my
issue is at one, I do think that, and I
think we're trying to find a level of respect from
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everybody we play against, trying to earn that level of respect,
and the only way you get it is when you
actually win games. The Atta boys don't really matter, right,
Oh my gosh, you played close. Nobody actually cares that way,
But you have to have the balance of yeah, we
are better, people do recognize it. And my thing is
that while we're pretty good right now, I think Robert
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Morris is just going to get better and better and better.
I mean, all these teams are really well coached, and
they get better as the season goes on.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
So when you do have.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
An opportunity and they don't shoot particularly well and you
are ahead of them in a home opener and that's
our first Division One home game, I just those opportunities
are really really hard to come by. So yeah, I
have to learn one. We have to make better decision
as the coaches have I have to make better decisions
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down the stretch. We have to put them in that
situation in practice more and have the right plan and
then they have to execute. And we just didn't execute
down the stretch.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Man.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
I mean, it's like you watch the plays over and
over again, and if any one of these plays goes differently,
you know we win the game. We're kind of holding
the ball with a minute and change to go and
Marcus Hall throws it inside to our freshman center Monowan
chi Chich.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Now again it's on me.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
I have Motawan in the game, but we were plus
eleven when he was in the game, and I just
felt like he gave us a defensive presidence at the rim,
rebound the basketball score a little bit. They have to
tag him on roles, whereas other guys they don't tag
nearly as hard on rules.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
So maybe I shouldn't have had him in the game.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
But Marcus, as a veteran and as a go to guy,
should hold the ball or should I have just call
it time out? We had two timeouts at the time.
Call it time out and explain to them here's we
want to do. Okay, I want to play inside out.
I want to get layups, wide open threes, but only
the open threes when the shot clock is going off.
We got to get back in transition. We got to
take people off of the three point line. Only three
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pointers or and ones beat you that late in the game.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Just do the math.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
If you make your free throws, you don't turn the
ball over, you're gonna win the game.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
And then our.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Execution on our obs wasn't great against the press. And
you know, we got a ten second violation coming out
of a timeout where because I was told it was
a timeout, I thought the ten second count reset.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
It did not. We got it there in six and
a half seconds.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
We only had six and then you know, we had
a player cramp up, and that falls on the head
coach in that he's had cramps before.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
We got to make sure we're on it.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
We got to keep the mop their legs as much
as we can, and we got to pump the fluids
in and I have to sub some of those guys
a little bit more so they don't run out of gas.
Late in the game. We got tired. We didn't execute.
They did, they made shots, they made plays. We lost
the game, and yeah, I lost my shit. Walking out
of the arena, there was a little stool kind of
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the way and I you know, allegedly there's no actual
video of the stool going anywhere, but yeah, I pitched
the stool out of the way because I was ticked.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
And you can't do it.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
You shouldn't do it in private, let alone doing in public.
But it is amazing how I feel like people want
to just troll the story.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
You know, I guess this is a pretty good forum
for it. Right. So, like.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Myron Medcalf were three ESPN, he covers college basketball. He
does radio for them as well, and ESPN obviously made
it like their top headline in college basketball is one
of their top headlines that I threw a chair.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Well, first, if we're going to be right, it was
a stool, not a chair.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
And if you just read the headline, you would think
that I was Bob Knight throwing it across the court
in the middle of the game, right, and you just
get caught on video and that happens and shouldn't have happened.
But you know else shouldn't have happened. Is Myer Metcalf,
who has my number, should have said hey, can I
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call you?
Speaker 1 (05:21):
I want to write a story about it. I said okay.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Instead, he sent me a text saying, did you address
it during the postgame press conference? And I said nope.
It's because nobody the postgame pressor was too soon.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
That was my fault. I went there too soon.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
I was still hadn't cooled down even though I talked
to people. But regardless of which, if you read the
ESPN story, he uses nope as a quote without asking
me if he could use it as a quote. He
just simply asked me if it was addressed in the
postgame pressure.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
My point is that.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
I have no bone to pick with anybody who's a
writer or a radio guy or a TV guy or whatever.
But it's not that hard to call me and if
you want a real response, I will give you a
real response. Instead, it feels as though you did as
little as possible to get a headline of a story
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out and make it seem like something it was not.
But again, for me, as a professional broadcaster for years
and now as a college basketball coach for a year.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
And a half, got to learn from those things.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
And you can't say anything that you can't assume.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Will be used. You can control.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
You can answer any question any way you want. You
don't have to answer somebody'sques. You can go into any
sort of answer you want that way, they can only
quote you on what your answers actually were.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
And the more you try and be honest with people, sometimes.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
At backbars, it's like every coach you'll tell you don't
be honest with them. Like people don't want honestly, They
just want to hear what they want to hear. So
here's the honest opinion. Honest opinion was we blew it?
Speaker 1 (07:22):
I blew it.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
We changed our kind of end of game, end of
clock look and had different personnel than we had had
in as we had gone through it leading up to
the game. We had other things we could run, but
we played out of sorts. And I did say we
played like idiots.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
We just did.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
And that includes the bench overreacted and tried to coverage change,
but that was apparently not communicated well enough to our players.
And in those situations late in game, we have to
everybody has to know what we're in. Get in that
one thing and stay in that one thing, and that's
all the one thing that we're.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
In, if that makes sense to you.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
But we didn't, and we lost, and now we play
Right State in Dayton today. The good thing is that
I think my basketball team is pretty good but has
a chance to get better. I have a couple guys
that haven't played as much as they would like or
even I'd like to play them, but they had not
understood some of the coverages. We're playing multiple defenses, and
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they got to know who we're in and got to
be completely engaged, you know. And I think that's the
personal self discipline that I've tried to have, and maybe
sometimes I go too much in that direction, but I'm
trying to play the guys that are the most engaged,
the most connected, and who play simply for one reason
that's to win. Now, there are other talented players on
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my roster that will get opportunities as they earn them,
and you earn it like on an everyday basis, do
I think you're engaged in practice or if you're on
scout team, or you give in us every kind of
look that looks like the player you're supposed to replicate,
And when you get in on the offense, are you
getting reps?
Speaker 1 (09:05):
And do you know what you're doing?
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Because until you do that, it doesn't really matter right
until you look like you know what you're doing. I
can't throw you out there if you don't know what
you're doing because it screws everybody else up.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
And then it looks like we haven't coached yet, and
we have.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
So I have to learn as a as a coach
that every roster is different, the makeup of kids is different,
and you have to coach with your assistant coaches. We
work together exceptionally well, but are we working Are are
they understanding why? And when I want to sub why
And when I want to call a time out?
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Why?
Speaker 2 (09:36):
And when I want to run something, and when you're
collectively on the same page, it's like art. And when
you're not, and we were on the same page for
the most part, it looks yanky over there. And the
same is true with the with the team. When they're
connected and when they're all understanding what we want, what
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we're running, what we're in beautiful and when we don't,
you get one piece that's not in alignment just doesn't work.
So that's my way of saying, I think we still
have better basketball in front of us. It's my way
of saying I'm disappointed in my own performance and then
in losing my cool after the game was over. But
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I also think that it's really interesting how many people
are paying attention in a Horizon League opener.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Granted, it was a standalone game on a night.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
When there's you know, Cowboys versus Lions, pretty big football game,
but we were honestly one of the most watched basketball games.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
So I'm enjoying this thing, man.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
I'm enjoying learning as a human being, learning as a coach,
and helping these young men.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Figure out how we get to our goals.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
And it's really cool to have super talented, experienced assistant
coaches like Andy Ground and carry Rupp kil Ganz has
been a great addition. And of course Eric Sanders, Jerry
Smith and Kaden the Captain like those are my guys,
and each of us are finding kind of our roles
within our new staff. When I say rules, I mean
I know I'm the head coach whatever, but how I
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am changes because of my assistant coaches and how much
they need for me and how much do they just
need support and how much to let them coach, you know,
hire good people, let them do their thing. Additionally, there's
the off the court. You know, who can you mess with?
Who can you not? Who falls asleep constantly? Jerry Smith
over on the bus, it's amazing, Like we're talking fifteen
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in a bus rides and he's cashed out thirty seconds
in and then fresh as the daisy as soon as
we stop. That's a gift. It's a gift.
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Speaker 2 (11:50):
Last thing is this kind of state of college basketball.
I'll talk about Kentucky. I mean, we're not going to
get anywhere near any of their players. And I'm not
trying to poach any of their players. We obviously can't
afford it. And I think it's fascinating, right, Like, here's
a team that reportedly they spent twenty two million dollars on.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
And yeah, I was bad loss, bad loss, And I
just it's very, very difficult.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
At any level to give young people the type of
money we're giving them and expecting them to all be
as driven as we think we would be if we
got that money. This is kind of a problem people
have in life, and it's one in which I've I
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still struggle with today as well. I'm not going to
sit here and cast dispersions on other people. Is looking
at the world through a lens different than your own.
I'll draw the parallel. I've lived in Israel, I've visited Israel.
My perception of the Middle East, the Middle East crisis
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is different because I've actually seen it.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
I actually know the history of it, I know how
it works.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
So when you have people who are Americans commenting on
the Middle East, well, if you haven't been there and
you haven't lived it, like you're you're deal, you're talking
about it from a perspective as an American where we
all value human life and not all people in other
parts of the world have the same value system of
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human life.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Right there are there are.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Cultures which actually value death and taking the lives of others.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
And it's just it's impossible for somebody.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Who grew up in you know, America, with respectable parents,
is that any sort of religious background. Again, in America,
we don't teach that. We don't teach taking a life
of an enemy or yourself is somehow going to grant
you something special in the afterlife. That's not Judeo Christian value.
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Our values are not always shared by other people in
other countries. So the challenge is you have to look
at it through the lens of somebody else with a
different value system. Makes sense, Okay, So now do that
with basketball, where we all think, like every coach who
played it all goes through your mind and everybody asks you, like,
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what do you think you would have gotten when you played?
Would you have bounced around the bounced around and chase
checks or would you have stayed where you were? And
it's a hard one because what you want to say
now as an adult is like, no, I would stay,
but I would get paid. I would play just as hard,
if not harder, to get paid more. But now you're
I'm forty nine years old. Now you're older, you understand
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what life is all about. But if you think back
to when you're nineteen twenty twenty one years old and
you never had any money in your life and somebody
says something that's five figures, six figures, seven figures, how
do you think you would act.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
I'd love to say that I wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
I wouldn't look like Johnny be good and have gold
chains and talk shit and have a fancy car.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
But again, I also know that twenty year old me
and twenty one year old.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Me did some stupid shit back then, So the chances
are I would have done some stupid shit if I
had money, that would have been and now with the
visibility of people, so I'm not I'm not criticizing. I'm
sort of defending Mark Pope and Kentucky, but just defending
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based upon this profession. What people need to understand is
there's no one hundred percent hit rate. When guys adjust
to a culture and a style which is different, it's
really really hard, really really hard, and giving money the
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type of money to players on a program.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
I mean, look, there's all the layers of it.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
One, you're giving them money in a college environment where
most people don't have money. A lot of times you're
given mind to somebody who's never had it, doesn't have
somebody to help them manage it. Oftentimes when you give
it to them, right, they have an agent, they got
to pay agent fees. But also the agent is advising them,
the parents are advising them, the AAU coacher handler is
advising them. And then the worst part yet is most
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of these got a lot of these guys they bring
somebody from home that they trust to help them, but
then they become like an advisor and they're probably their
same age, and you're like, who's advising these people? I
heard Dane Altman saying, not me, everybody else, But everybody's
got to say in what somebody does instead of just
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the coach, just the team, and all that matters is winning.
So I understand that you can have some chemistry issues.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
With just the fact that.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
You are not the most important person in terms of
advising them in their basketball career, or you're not second
in line to their parents in their life.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
And that's what you should be. Then you have the
inner workings of a locker room.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
You have all the other college stuff, right with who
you're dating and did they date anybody else in the team,
or how you're enactoring socially or all those other things.
And then you factor in that they all know how
much each other make, and everybody thinks one that the
other guy makes way more than they do. If they're
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not playing or not playing as much as they want,
it's because they think somebody else makes more money than
they do. There's the inherent jealousy in that you'll lose
players because they're like, well, you're paying that guy three
times that you're paying me. I maybe I may not be,
but that shouldn't be how you coach a team. So
you have the jealousy factor what somebody else is making.
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You have the reality of when you're coaching, you want
a coach to win and you should coach to win.
But there's always part of you like, hey, we're paying
this guy three X. I'm paying this guy X three
X has got to really stink in order to give
ex a shot. And then you have the idea that
they're all making money and they've never made money before,
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and they're neterally not old enough to understand it, like
it should be put away for them for when they're
done playing, right, put in an annuity when they get
done playing, they should be able to fall into a
bunch of money and be taken care of all of
these factors as well as the other teams are really
good and some of them have figured it out, some
of them have not, and sometimes you just don't know
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on a nightly basis, And it allows me to understand
how could Kentucky with that level of talent, with that
level of payroll? And Mark Poper is a really good coach.
They really good coach, They run really good stuff. But
in terms of winning and losing college games, oftentimes it's
about toughness and how hard you get into play and
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how much they play together. It's I tell people all
the time, like when we played against Drake last year,
Ben McCullum pulled me aside and it's like, hey, I've
been watching your tape. Your team is getting better. Don't
worry about your record. My first two years was bad,
even at Division two. But i'm i'm, i'm we're prepping
for or watching it. And then we played him, and
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we played some junk defenses as well, and we end
up tied with them. Four minutes ago, I'm down three
starters and we nearly win the game at Drake.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
I think we lost by eight. But what I learned
from that game.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
And what all people should know, does Ben McCullum run
good offense? Yes, it's excellent offensive coach, but he doesn't.
He's not won all those games at Division two. He's
not going to win at Iowa because of any other
reason than they don't turn it over. They're tougher than
hell and they play hard. Right, they don't turn it over.
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They're tough than hell, and they play hard. And if
you look at all of these really good teams, you know,
obviously there's a talent level there. But within your level
of talent, don't turn over, play together, play hard. So
what I learned from coaching against Ben McCullum was that
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it doesn't matter what your defensive style is, no middle
pack line, playing people straight up, hard, hedge two under, trapping,
rotating zone. Whatever, they play hard, do they play together,
do they rebound, do they not turn it over?
Speaker 1 (20:35):
That's really it. So I think that that's the challenge
for a.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Mark Pope, for example, Like you've given guys and he hasn't,
but you end up giving guys seven figure salaries, and.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
You got to make sure you give it to the
right guy.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Because the right guy gets that money and things I've
made it and it's sometimes hard to get him to
play in any of those facts, right, Because if you
don't do any one of those things, you can play
really hard, but if you're selfish, that's that doesn't work. Okay,
you can share the ball, you can be really skilled,
you can be connected, but if you don't play hard
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or don't play physical, you're not gonna get beat. And
the issue is when you give kids all that money,
you have all these other people chirping and our even
our highlight system on social media, right, all we focus
on is this kid had sixteen, this kid had fourteen,
this kid had thirty, this kid had What do.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
You do at the defensive end? What do you do
on the boards? What does guy do? Did he turn
the ball over?
Speaker 2 (21:36):
That's what determines whether you want to whether you lost,
not how many points you had in a thirty point blowout,
Nobody cares. So when I watch what's happening with Mark
Pope in Kentucky. I totally understand it, right that won
their schedule's hard. Some of these teams that have great
records haven't played anybody, or everybody they've played has had
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half to a quarter of the money or lets of
the money that they have. So it's just a talent disparity.
But can you get him to play hard? Can you
get them to play together? Can you get him to
take good shots, value.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
The ball and rebound the ball.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Sometimes it's hard when you give guys money, And a
lot of times you give guys money who you thought
were really good kids and you did, and maybe it's
not them, but somebody spoils it. But the season is long,
and the skill to this thing is to get them
to stay together and keep getting better. And what you
are in November should be better. In December, should be better.
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In January, she better in February, and then in March
that should find out.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
What you really got.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Anyway, So that's my little dissertation on Kentucky. And again
I'm just using Kentucky as an example because it is
what people are talking about in college basketball.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
We're like, man, that's a big payroll. One other thing.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
I think It's really interesting that DeMarcus Cousins, and I've
gotten to know DeMarcus.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
A little bit.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
And again, this is where your own perspective is skewed
in many ways based upon where you are in life. Right,
Like DeMarcus Cousins, you know, basically was embarrassed as an
alum of Kentucky, which is funny because DeMarcus played there
one year and when they lost, they lost in one
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of the biggest upsets in college basketball, right.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
I mean, think about it.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
They lost to West Virginia, and I think that Sean
Bryant was the only pro on that team, and they
had bledsoe John Wall and DeMarcus Cousins, and they lost
to West Virginia. When West Virginia went one through one,
they couldn't make a shot the whole game.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Here's what I'll.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Say about notable successful alums and your frustration with a
basketball program. You are allowed to be frustrated. You're allowed,
and I think you're even allowed to voice that frustration.
But if you actually really want to help, that doesn't help.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
That doesn't help. I'm not saying you can't do it.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
You can do it, but I'm saying you shouldn't do
it because because it doesn't help, It just doesn't. All
that helps is hey man, that was a rough one.
What can I do as an alum? Call Mark Pope?
What can I do as an alum to help? You
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need me to call one of these guys and tell them, hey, man, Like,
if you want to play in the league, it's about
playing hard. I mean, look at DeMarcus Cousins, who is
He's a way better human being and would be a
way better teammate now than he was when he was
in Sacramento. He was a nightmare in Sacramento. Everybody knows that.
And I'm not I'm not absolving him of that because it's,
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you know, ten fifteen years removed. I'm just laying it
out as being honest, Like, hey, dude, you were not
a good teammate for a long long time, and here
you are being critical of a college basketball coach. Have
you been to practice? Have you talked to the coaches?
Do you know what's going on there? And if you do,
do you want to be an agent of positive change
or do you simply want to pile on because it's
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Kentucky and that's not your coach and maybe the guy
you want to be the coaches and the coach I
don't know. All I can tell you is that doesn't
help being critical. Like anybody can see you get forty
piece on national TV. Hey, thanks, appreciate the fact that
we didn't play nearly to the level of Kentucky basketball.
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Got it, understand it. But if you want to help
help call the coach say hey man, I'm here to help.
I played, I love Kentucky. I just want to help
you get What can I do as a former All
Star that can help these guys understand what it's all about.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
That's how alum can help.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
That's how my Cordero Barkley is an alum of UWGB,
super successful businessman, great dude. When we talk about all
he ever ask is how can I help? Key for
psychs is our gm I keeper comes to practice and
all he ever asks is how can I help them? Like,
hey man, please talk to these guys about what it's
all about. Talk to my go to guys about the
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alpha mentality you played with, the toughness you played with.
Talk to the other guys about you know, how you
keep working, how you keep improving.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
So for especially like fans, you can't control fans are
who they are. They support, they love, They only want
to be good.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
They're the ones that take to social media, overreact when
you win, overreact when you lose.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Totally understand that.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
But if you're a lum or, you're a connected guy
going to social media and pointing out when something shitty,
that that does no good. That's dog pileyon and that
makes it even worse and even harder. If you actually
want to help, then help. And the way you can
help is call the coaches and go hey man, or
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just text them what can I do?
Speaker 1 (27:09):
I'm with you.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
I didn't like the product either, but I know you've
got a good team there, so tell me how I
can help you.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
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I'm Doug Dolly
Hey, want to welcome in. I'm Doug Gottlieb, and this
is all ball my story.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
I guess my team has been in the news, so
why not do a podcast and drop it. The other
night we were playing Robert Morris, who's the defending league
and conference tournament champion in the Horizon League. We had
eleven point lead late in the game, two thirty eight
to go up nine with minute and change to go,
and lost in regulation. I mean it, it's remarkable, obviously
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in not a good way.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
And so when you're in this position, you're the head
coach and you.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Know your team is playing pretty well, it's pretty good team.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
I guess in it.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
In it, you're supposed to have the balance of hey,
we're still good. We just found a way to lose
the game we rightfully should have won. I guess my
issue is at one, I do think that, and I
think we're trying to find a level of respect from
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everybody we play against, trying to earn that level of respect,
and the only way you get it is when you
actually win games. The Atta boys don't really matter, right,
Oh my gosh, you played close. Nobody actually cares that way,
But you have to have the balance of yeah, we
are better, people do recognize it. And my thing is
that while we're pretty good right now, I think Robert
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Morris is just going to get better and better and better.
I mean, all these teams are really well coached, and
they get better as the season goes on.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
So when you do have.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
An opportunity and they don't shoot particularly well and you
are ahead of them in a home opener and that's
our first Division One home game, I just those opportunities
are really really hard to come by. So yeah, I
have to learn one. We have to make better decision
as the coaches have I have to make better decisions
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down the stretch. We have to put them in that
situation in practice more and have the right plan and
then they have to execute. And we just didn't execute
down the stretch.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Man.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
I mean, it's like you watch the plays over and
over again, and if any one of these plays goes differently,
you know we win the game. We're kind of holding
the ball with a minute and change to go and
Marcus Hall throws it inside to our freshman center Monowan
chi Chich.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Now again it's on me.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
I have Motawan in the game, but we were plus
eleven when he was in the game, and I just
felt like he gave us a defensive presidence at the rim,
rebound the basketball score a little bit. They have to
tag him on roles, whereas other guys they don't tag
nearly as hard on rules.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
So maybe I shouldn't have had him in the game.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
But Marcus, as a veteran and as a go to guy,
should hold the ball or should I have just call
it time out? We had two timeouts at the time.
Call it time out and explain to them here's we
want to do. Okay, I want to play inside out.
I want to get layups, wide open threes, but only
the open threes when the shot clock is going off.
We got to get back in transition. We got to
take people off of the three point line. Only three
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pointers or and ones beat you that late in the game.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Just do the math.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
If you make your free throws, you don't turn the
ball over, you're gonna win the game.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
And then our.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Execution on our obs wasn't great against the press. And
you know, we got a ten second violation coming out
of a timeout where because I was told it was
a timeout, I thought the ten second count reset.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
It did not. We got it there in six and
a half seconds.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
We only had six and then you know, we had
a player cramp up, and that falls on the head
coach in that he's had cramps before.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
We got to make sure we're on it.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
We got to keep the mop their legs as much
as we can, and we got to pump the fluids
in and I have to sub some of those guys
a little bit more so they don't run out of gas.
Late in the game. We got tired. We didn't execute.
They did, they made shots, they made plays. We lost
the game, and yeah, I lost my shit. Walking out
of the arena, there was a little stool kind of
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the way and I you know, allegedly there's no actual
video of the stool going anywhere, but yeah, I pitched
the stool out of the way because I was ticked.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
And you can't do it.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
You shouldn't do it in private, let alone doing in public.
But it is amazing how I feel like people want
to just troll the story.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
You know, I guess this is a pretty good forum
for it. Right. So, like.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Myron Medcalf were three ESPN, he covers college basketball. He
does radio for them as well, and ESPN obviously made
it like their top headline in college basketball is one
of their top headlines that I threw a chair.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Well, first, if we're going to be right, it was
a stool, not a chair.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
And if you just read the headline, you would think
that I was Bob Knight throwing it across the court
in the middle of the game, right, and you just
get caught on video and that happens and shouldn't have happened.
But you know else shouldn't have happened. Is Myer Metcalf,
who has my number, should have said hey, can I
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call you?
Speaker 1 (05:21):
I want to write a story about it. I said okay.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Instead, he sent me a text saying, did you address
it during the postgame press conference? And I said nope.
It's because nobody the postgame pressor was too soon.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
That was my fault. I went there too soon.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
I was still hadn't cooled down even though I talked
to people. But regardless of which, if you read the
ESPN story, he uses nope as a quote without asking
me if he could use it as a quote. He
just simply asked me if it was addressed in the
postgame pressure.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
My point is that.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
I have no bone to pick with anybody who's a
writer or a radio guy or a TV guy or whatever.
But it's not that hard to call me and if
you want a real response, I will give you a
real response. Instead, it feels as though you did as
little as possible to get a headline of a story
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out and make it seem like something it was not.
But again, for me, as a professional broadcaster for years
and now as a college basketball coach for a year.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
And a half, got to learn from those things.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
And you can't say anything that you can't assume.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Will be used. You can control.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
You can answer any question any way you want. You
don't have to answer somebody'sques. You can go into any
sort of answer you want that way, they can only
quote you on what your answers actually were.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
And the more you try and be honest with people, sometimes.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
At backbars, it's like every coach you'll tell you don't
be honest with them. Like people don't want honestly, They
just want to hear what they want to hear. So
here's the honest opinion. Honest opinion was we blew it?
Speaker 1 (07:22):
I blew it.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
We changed our kind of end of game, end of
clock look and had different personnel than we had had
in as we had gone through it leading up to
the game. We had other things we could run, but
we played out of sorts. And I did say we
played like idiots.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
We just did.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
And that includes the bench overreacted and tried to coverage change,
but that was apparently not communicated well enough to our players.
And in those situations late in game, we have to
everybody has to know what we're in. Get in that
one thing and stay in that one thing, and that's
all the one thing that we're.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
In, if that makes sense to you.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
But we didn't, and we lost, and now we play
Right State in Dayton today. The good thing is that
I think my basketball team is pretty good but has
a chance to get better. I have a couple guys
that haven't played as much as they would like or
even I'd like to play them, but they had not
understood some of the coverages. We're playing multiple defenses, and
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they got to know who we're in and got to
be completely engaged, you know. And I think that's the
personal self discipline that I've tried to have, and maybe
sometimes I go too much in that direction, but I'm
trying to play the guys that are the most engaged,
the most connected, and who play simply for one reason
that's to win. Now, there are other talented players on
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my roster that will get opportunities as they earn them,
and you earn it like on an everyday basis, do
I think you're engaged in practice or if you're on
scout team, or you give in us every kind of
look that looks like the player you're supposed to replicate,
And when you get in on the offense, are you
getting reps?
Speaker 1 (09:05):
And do you know what you're doing?
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Because until you do that, it doesn't really matter right
until you look like you know what you're doing. I
can't throw you out there if you don't know what
you're doing because it screws everybody else up.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
And then it looks like we haven't coached yet, and
we have.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
So I have to learn as a as a coach
that every roster is different, the makeup of kids is different,
and you have to coach with your assistant coaches. We
work together exceptionally well, but are we working Are are
they understanding why? And when I want to sub why
And when I want to call a time out?
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Why?
Speaker 2 (09:36):
And when I want to run something, and when you're
collectively on the same page, it's like art. And when
you're not, and we were on the same page for
the most part, it looks yanky over there. And the
same is true with the with the team. When they're
connected and when they're all understanding what we want, what
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we're running, what we're in beautiful and when we don't,
you get one piece that's not in alignment just doesn't work.
So that's my way of saying, I think we still
have better basketball in front of us. It's my way
of saying I'm disappointed in my own performance and then
in losing my cool after the game was over. But
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I also think that it's really interesting how many people
are paying attention in a Horizon League opener.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Granted, it was a standalone game on a night.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
When there's you know, Cowboys versus Lions, pretty big football game,
but we were honestly one of the most watched basketball games.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
So I'm enjoying this thing, man.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
I'm enjoying learning as a human being, learning as a coach,
and helping these young men.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Figure out how we get to our goals.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
And it's really cool to have super talented, experienced assistant
coaches like Andy Ground and carry Rupp kil Ganz has
been a great addition. And of course Eric Sanders, Jerry
Smith and Kaden the Captain like those are my guys,
and each of us are finding kind of our roles
within our new staff. When I say rules, I mean
I know I'm the head coach whatever, but how I
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am changes because of my assistant coaches and how much
they need for me and how much do they just
need support and how much to let them coach, you know,
hire good people, let them do their thing. Additionally, there's
the off the court. You know, who can you mess with?
Who can you not? Who falls asleep constantly? Jerry Smith
over on the bus, it's amazing, Like we're talking fifteen
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in a bus rides and he's cashed out thirty seconds
in and then fresh as the daisy as soon as
we stop. That's a gift. It's a gift.
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Speaker 2 (11:50):
Last thing is this kind of state of college basketball.
I'll talk about Kentucky. I mean, we're not going to
get anywhere near any of their players. And I'm not
trying to poach any of their players. We obviously can't
afford it. And I think it's fascinating, right, Like, here's
a team that reportedly they spent twenty two million dollars on.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
And yeah, I was bad loss, bad loss, And I
just it's very, very difficult.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
At any level to give young people the type of
money we're giving them and expecting them to all be
as driven as we think we would be if we
got that money. This is kind of a problem people
have in life, and it's one in which I've I
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still struggle with today as well. I'm not going to
sit here and cast dispersions on other people. Is looking
at the world through a lens different than your own.
I'll draw the parallel. I've lived in Israel, I've visited Israel.
My perception of the Middle East, the Middle East crisis
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is different because I've actually seen it.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
I actually know the history of it, I know how
it works.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
So when you have people who are Americans commenting on
the Middle East, well, if you haven't been there and
you haven't lived it, like you're you're deal, you're talking
about it from a perspective as an American where we
all value human life and not all people in other
parts of the world have the same value system of
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human life.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Right there are there are.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Cultures which actually value death and taking the lives of others.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
And it's just it's impossible for somebody.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Who grew up in you know, America, with respectable parents,
is that any sort of religious background. Again, in America,
we don't teach that. We don't teach taking a life
of an enemy or yourself is somehow going to grant
you something special in the afterlife. That's not Judeo Christian value.
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Our values are not always shared by other people in
other countries. So the challenge is you have to look
at it through the lens of somebody else with a
different value system. Makes sense, Okay, So now do that
with basketball, where we all think, like every coach who
played it all goes through your mind and everybody asks you, like,
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what do you think you would have gotten when you played?
Would you have bounced around the bounced around and chase
checks or would you have stayed where you were? And
it's a hard one because what you want to say
now as an adult is like, no, I would stay,
but I would get paid. I would play just as hard,
if not harder, to get paid more. But now you're
I'm forty nine years old. Now you're older, you understand
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what life is all about. But if you think back
to when you're nineteen twenty twenty one years old and
you never had any money in your life and somebody
says something that's five figures, six figures, seven figures, how
do you think you would act.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
I'd love to say that I wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
I wouldn't look like Johnny be good and have gold
chains and talk shit and have a fancy car.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
But again, I also know that twenty year old me
and twenty one year old.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Me did some stupid shit back then, So the chances
are I would have done some stupid shit if I
had money, that would have been and now with the
visibility of people, so I'm not I'm not criticizing. I'm
sort of defending Mark Pope and Kentucky, but just defending
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based upon this profession. What people need to understand is
there's no one hundred percent hit rate. When guys adjust
to a culture and a style which is different, it's
really really hard, really really hard, and giving money the
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type of money to players on a program.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
I mean, look, there's all the layers of it.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
One, you're giving them money in a college environment where
most people don't have money. A lot of times you're
given mind to somebody who's never had it, doesn't have
somebody to help them manage it. Oftentimes when you give
it to them, right, they have an agent, they got
to pay agent fees. But also the agent is advising them,
the parents are advising them, the AAU coacher handler is
advising them. And then the worst part yet is most
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of these got a lot of these guys they bring
somebody from home that they trust to help them, but
then they become like an advisor and they're probably their
same age, and you're like, who's advising these people? I
heard Dane Altman saying, not me, everybody else, But everybody's
got to say in what somebody does instead of just
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the coach, just the team, and all that matters is winning.
So I understand that you can have some chemistry issues.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
With just the fact that.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
You are not the most important person in terms of
advising them in their basketball career, or you're not second
in line to their parents in their life.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
And that's what you should be. Then you have the
inner workings of a locker room.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
You have all the other college stuff, right with who
you're dating and did they date anybody else in the team,
or how you're enactoring socially or all those other things.
And then you factor in that they all know how
much each other make, and everybody thinks one that the
other guy makes way more than they do. If they're
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not playing or not playing as much as they want,
it's because they think somebody else makes more money than
they do. There's the inherent jealousy in that you'll lose
players because they're like, well, you're paying that guy three
times that you're paying me. I maybe I may not be,
but that shouldn't be how you coach a team. So
you have the jealousy factor what somebody else is making.
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You have the reality of when you're coaching, you want
a coach to win and you should coach to win.
But there's always part of you like, hey, we're paying
this guy three X. I'm paying this guy X three
X has got to really stink in order to give
ex a shot. And then you have the idea that
they're all making money and they've never made money before,
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and they're neterally not old enough to understand it, like
it should be put away for them for when they're
done playing, right, put in an annuity when they get
done playing, they should be able to fall into a
bunch of money and be taken care of all of
these factors as well as the other teams are really
good and some of them have figured it out, some
of them have not, and sometimes you just don't know
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on a nightly basis, And it allows me to understand
how could Kentucky with that level of talent, with that
level of payroll? And Mark Poper is a really good coach.
They really good coach, They run really good stuff. But
in terms of winning and losing college games, oftentimes it's
about toughness and how hard you get into play and
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how much they play together. It's I tell people all
the time, like when we played against Drake last year,
Ben McCullum pulled me aside and it's like, hey, I've
been watching your tape. Your team is getting better. Don't
worry about your record. My first two years was bad,
even at Division two. But i'm i'm, i'm we're prepping
for or watching it. And then we played him, and
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we played some junk defenses as well, and we end
up tied with them. Four minutes ago, I'm down three
starters and we nearly win the game at Drake.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
I think we lost by eight. But what I learned
from that game.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
And what all people should know, does Ben McCullum run
good offense? Yes, it's excellent offensive coach, but he doesn't.
He's not won all those games at Division two. He's
not going to win at Iowa because of any other
reason than they don't turn it over. They're tougher than
hell and they play hard. Right, they don't turn it over.
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They're tough than hell, and they play hard. And if
you look at all of these really good teams, you know,
obviously there's a talent level there. But within your level
of talent, don't turn over, play together, play hard. So
what I learned from coaching against Ben McCullum was that
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it doesn't matter what your defensive style is, no middle
pack line, playing people straight up, hard, hedge two under, trapping,
rotating zone. Whatever, they play hard, do they play together,
do they rebound, do they not turn it over?
Speaker 1 (20:35):
That's really it. So I think that that's the challenge
for a.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Mark Pope, for example, Like you've given guys and he hasn't,
but you end up giving guys seven figure salaries, and.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
You got to make sure you give it to the
right guy.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Because the right guy gets that money and things I've
made it and it's sometimes hard to get him to
play in any of those facts, right, Because if you
don't do any one of those things, you can play
really hard, but if you're selfish, that's that doesn't work. Okay,
you can share the ball, you can be really skilled,
you can be connected, but if you don't play hard
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or don't play physical, you're not gonna get beat. And
the issue is when you give kids all that money,
you have all these other people chirping and our even
our highlight system on social media, right, all we focus
on is this kid had sixteen, this kid had fourteen,
this kid had thirty, this kid had What do.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
You do at the defensive end? What do you do
on the boards? What does guy do? Did he turn
the ball over?
Speaker 2 (21:36):
That's what determines whether you want to whether you lost,
not how many points you had in a thirty point blowout,
Nobody cares. So when I watch what's happening with Mark
Pope in Kentucky. I totally understand it, right that won
their schedule's hard. Some of these teams that have great
records haven't played anybody, or everybody they've played has had
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half to a quarter of the money or lets of
the money that they have. So it's just a talent disparity.
But can you get him to play hard? Can you
get them to play together? Can you get him to
take good shots, value.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
The ball and rebound the ball.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Sometimes it's hard when you give guys money, And a
lot of times you give guys money who you thought
were really good kids and you did, and maybe it's
not them, but somebody spoils it. But the season is long,
and the skill to this thing is to get them
to stay together and keep getting better. And what you
are in November should be better. In December, should be better.
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In January, she better in February, and then in March
that should find out.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
What you really got.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Anyway, So that's my little dissertation on Kentucky. And again
I'm just using Kentucky as an example because it is
what people are talking about in college basketball.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
We're like, man, that's a big payroll. One other thing.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
I think It's really interesting that DeMarcus Cousins, and I've
gotten to know DeMarcus.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
A little bit.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
And again, this is where your own perspective is skewed
in many ways based upon where you are in life. Right,
Like DeMarcus Cousins, you know, basically was embarrassed as an
alum of Kentucky, which is funny because DeMarcus played there
one year and when they lost, they lost in one
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of the biggest upsets in college basketball, right.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
I mean, think about it.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
They lost to West Virginia, and I think that Sean
Bryant was the only pro on that team, and they
had bledsoe John Wall and DeMarcus Cousins, and they lost
to West Virginia. When West Virginia went one through one,
they couldn't make a shot the whole game.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Here's what I'll.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Say about notable successful alums and your frustration with a
basketball program. You are allowed to be frustrated. You're allowed,
and I think you're even allowed to voice that frustration.
But if you actually really want to help, that doesn't help.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
That doesn't help. I'm not saying you can't do it.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
You can do it, but I'm saying you shouldn't do
it because because it doesn't help, It just doesn't. All
that helps is hey man, that was a rough one.
What can I do as an alum? Call Mark Pope?
What can I do as an alum to help? You
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need me to call one of these guys and tell them, hey, man, Like,
if you want to play in the league, it's about
playing hard. I mean, look at DeMarcus Cousins, who is
He's a way better human being and would be a
way better teammate now than he was when he was
in Sacramento. He was a nightmare in Sacramento. Everybody knows that.
And I'm not I'm not absolving him of that because it's,
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you know, ten fifteen years removed. I'm just laying it
out as being honest, Like, hey, dude, you were not
a good teammate for a long long time, and here
you are being critical of a college basketball coach. Have
you been to practice? Have you talked to the coaches?
Do you know what's going on there? And if you do,
do you want to be an agent of positive change
or do you simply want to pile on because it's
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Kentucky and that's not your coach and maybe the guy
you want to be the coaches and the coach I
don't know. All I can tell you is that doesn't
help being critical. Like anybody can see you get forty
piece on national TV. Hey, thanks, appreciate the fact that
we didn't play nearly to the level of Kentucky basketball.
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Got it, understand it. But if you want to help
help call the coach say hey man, I'm here to help.
I played, I love Kentucky. I just want to help
you get What can I do as a former All
Star that can help these guys understand what it's all about.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
That's how alum can help.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
That's how my Cordero Barkley is an alum of UWGB,
super successful businessman, great dude. When we talk about all
he ever ask is how can I help? Key for
psychs is our gm I keeper comes to practice and
all he ever asks is how can I help them? Like,
hey man, please talk to these guys about what it's
all about. Talk to my go to guys about the
(26:23):
alpha mentality you played with, the toughness you played with.
Talk to the other guys about you know, how you
keep working, how you keep improving.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
So for especially like fans, you can't control fans are
who they are. They support, they love, They only want
to be good.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
They're the ones that take to social media, overreact when
you win, overreact when you lose.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Totally understand that.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
But if you're a lum or, you're a connected guy
going to social media and pointing out when something shitty,
that that does no good. That's dog pileyon and that
makes it even worse and even harder. If you actually
want to help, then help. And the way you can
help is call the coaches and go hey man, or
(27:05):
just text them what can I do?
Speaker 1 (27:09):
I'm with you.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
I didn't like the product either, but I know you've
got a good team there, so tell me how I
can help you.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
That's it for All Ball. Okay.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
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Speaker 1 (27:26):
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