Episode 23: How The Dragon Ball Franchise Came To Be

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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Hello, Hello, Welcome to another edition of Nerdifficent. I am
one of your hosts and I am the other host.
I'm the first host, Danny Fernandez. That just with speaking.
Today we are we're talking about if you what are
we talking about? Um? Today we're talking about something that

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I know a lot of people have been asking for long,
franchise people want to hear it. Today we're talking about
Wild Arms, the set in the Western the JRPG, one
of my favorite RPG franchises. Today we are talking about
Tenchi Muyo, which, yeah, today we're talking about big oh um.

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These are all things that you're gonna be like, yeah,
I do that. But when you said that, though, could
you also cover Today we are talking about The Great
Mouse Detective actually one of the not as well respected
but should be Disney animated films. We're talking about the
dragon Ball franchise. Yes, we're talking about the dragon Ball franchise,
the franchise that's so huge that it doesn't fit into

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one episode. This episode is going to cover just the
franchise as a whole, a little bit about a curatory AMA,
and then we're gonna sit down with our good friend
Kylie bear Uh and talk about just what it was
like working on that franchise. This won't go deep in
a dragon Ball, dragon Ball Z, dragon Ball GT, dragon

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Ball Kidgona Super. Yeah, no, those are those have to
be its own episodes. But this is for everyone listening
and who may have just been wondering, like, what is
this dragon Ball Z thing I keep hearing about? This hype? This?
This will give you a crash course into it, and
then one by one you'll get to go deeper. This

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is the the preface. I'm not the preface. This is
dragon Ball one on one. But also if you are
a huge, massive fan, like if he and I are,
and just to give our background, if he and I
started podcasting together with a dragon Ball Z show called
krill in It because Krillan is a character from dragon
Ball from this franchise, so we had we we actually

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dissected each episode already on that podcast, and then we
had a dragon Ball Super podcast called krillin It's Super,
which was also live and interactive on hyper RPG. So
we have extensively covered this and we do love it
a lot, and if you're like us and love it
a lot, we want to talk about why we love it.
The history of it and the present and the future

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of it. But as far as deep diving into each
particular saga and character and all of that, that's going
to have to be another episode. Yeah, no, it's it's long.
I said, it's not even just being funny. It just
really is a very deep, dense history which is gonna
be funny based on a few things we talked about today,

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because unbeknownst to me, just with the research, it turns
out that this is another goofy thing that seemed to
get deeper through time. It wasn't it wasn't meant to
be as as deep as as one is taking it now.
But buckle up, we're gonna talk about a little little

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man who was born in Nagoya, Japan, and when he
was in elementary school, all his classmates drew imitating anime
and manga as a result of not having many forms
of entertainment, and he believes that he began to advance
above everyone else when he started drawing pictures of his
friends after winning a prize at the local arts studio

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for a picture of one and one Dalmatians began to
think art was fun. That it was a lot of
time between when he started drawing too when he thought
art was fun. According to this article, there are so
many blogs, articles, and videos about the man that is

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a Curatoryama. Yeah. What I wanted to say, honestly before
we even got started, was that I feel that Dragon
Ball Z in particular, which in my opinion from being
in the community, is the biggest, most notorious of all
of the dragon Ball shows. I feel like z is
is one of the big although Super is getting up
there now, and I'm sure Dragonball people are going to

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write me. I understand that as as well, but just
here in America because Dragon Ball Z was a thing
that was introduced onto Nami. I actually think they had
it four kids. Um what I was gonna say is
that it's so people will write me and be like, oh,
because I I have Goku and Vegeta, who are two
characters that will talk about a little bit, but um,
I have them tattooed on me, and people will be like, oh,

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that's a norm e anime, this mainstream anime, and it's like, well,
it's mainstream now, But a curatory Yama ended up influencing
so all of the anime and manga that you're Super into. Now,
that's like Nietzs and maybe it's like newer and coming
out and you're like, oh, I love this. Probably influenced

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by him in some way. Like some of the biggest
franchises that have come in the last decade or so
have been heavily even their creators have said they were
heavily influenced by a curator Yama. So I just needed
to add a little bit of respect on our man
before we continued. I mean, I feel like that's just
a part of just anime fans in general. I remember

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when Kanye tweeted out that the creator of a Kira
was A was a genius, and someone replied to that
tweet where it's like, Kanye, please watch sword art online.
It's a better anime. My brain almost exploded after reading that.
But it's just but it's funny because it seems like

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it's a anime specific thing. But I think it is
a specific to pop culture where you have your thing,
and your thing is your favorite thing, so you have
to fight that it's the best thing. That's why you
have Star Trek versus Star Wars when the real winners
actually Battlestar Galactica. Yeah, much more mature, much more Actually,

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it's so funny. I haven't even watched that much Battlestar Galactica,
but it's been though. It's been the one that I've
gravitated towards him, like this is cool cylons baby, yeah
but yeah but yeah no um a curetor. Yama actually
didn't just even though he thought art was fun, he
didn't just jump and he was one of those people

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who just started doing animation. And that's his whole story.
He actually worked at an advertising agency in Nagoya, design
and posters for three years. After quitting his previous job.
Storyama entered the manga industry by submitting a work to
an amateur contest and a Jump magazine in order her
to win the prize money. That is so interesting to
me because these are multiple instances that we have a

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curatory Yama winning contests with his art, and it almost
feels like that might be a part of what influences
the idea of Dragon ball Z, of just this constant contest,
but of strength. I think he got a job from
being that good. He's gotten, you know, he got he

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won an award when he first learned how to draw
because he was that good. It's just super interesting. Even
though he won the contest when he was a kid,
he did not win this contest. Uh. And while he
did not win, Kaziko Torishima, who would later become his editor,
contacted him and gave him encouragement. And then his debut
came later in eight with the story Wonder Island, which

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was published in Weekly Shown and Jump, which still runs
till this day. Yeah, and so just go back on.
Shown In, which we've talked about in previous episodes but
shown in manga, is essentially similar to Calm, Etcetered geared
towards young males, but um, you know us ladies like
it too. Yeah, I know they separated by shown in

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and Show Jim, Show Joe. I think, yeah, Show Joe
and shown in. But dudes like Show Joe, I bet,
Especially because it's geared towards young people. It's like, oh,
what's going on over there with those shirtless men. That's
honestly why I think it's funny. Whenever people would be
like Dragon ball Z is for boys, I'm like, no,

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they're like shirtless, They're like buff as hell. And I'm
very confused. Slash aroused by this in middle school, and uh,
you know, my favorite dudes and skin tight spandex. That's
vegeta who will get into but yeah, yeah, sorry, yeah
so so even though he had his debut and shown
and Jump, he didn't really rise to popularity until the

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comedy series Dr Slump, which was serialized and weekly shown
and Jumped from eight to four. And it follows the
adventures of a perverted professor, which that that that's a
common thread. That's a common thread with Toryama. Yeah, and
his small but super strong robot. He began the series

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at age twenty five while living at home with his parents,
but when the series ended in nineteen eighty four, he
was a manga superstar. I think he was actually a multimillionaire.
But really, yeah, that's super crazy. Well, I mean it
was made into an animated series. I mean it was
made into anime. Yeah. Yeah. He actually ended up going
on to win award for Dr Slump it earned him

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in nineteen eighty one, it earned him the Shogakukan Manga
Award for Best Shown in the Show. Joe Manga Series
of the Year, a very successful anime adaptation aired on
TV from nineteen eighty one to nineteen eighty six, with
a remake series airing from seven to ninety nine, and
by two thousand and eight, the manga had sold over
thirty five million copies in Japan. This is interesting too

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because this is just for all intensive purposes up until
you know. Dragon Ball really took off his most popular property.
It is, it is his bread and butter. Yet most
people know a curatory ama from the dragon Ball series,
and I think that has more so to do with

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the import aspect, because I feel like early anime that
was being imported to the U s it was the
serious stuff. You didn't get the like comedy stuff coming
to the US. Uh, except for um Canuku Man. I
feel like Anukuman made it here. But that was that
I felt as far as growing up for me, that

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was the closest I got to comedy anime. Uh. If
anyone grew up on some comedy anime, please let me know.
I'm curious to know what you got. But yeah, I
dr slant was something I kind of slept on. I
I didn't even like. There are some people who like
find a work and then find everything else they're creator
has created and they'll find it that. I don't do

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that much often, and I liked Dragon Ball Z, specifically
dragon Ball Z. I haven't even went back and watched
all of dragon Ball. Like dragon Ball Z has the
double whammy for me, it's the excitement and the nostalgia.
I'm sure dragon Ball is exciting. Actually, I've watched more
dragon Ball than I realized because I always thought the
Garlic Junior saga took place in dragon Ball Z, but

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it actually it was a dragon Ball saga, So who knows?
It's it's all the same, literally all the same, because
just jumping ahead a bit, dragon Ball Z basically was
just the later versions of dragon Ball. Yeah, but I
would argue that they're so different tonally, where dragon Ball

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is much more comedic and kind of lighthearted to some extent,
whereas dragon Ball Z is much more serious. I feel
like dragon Ball honestly has kind of more adult humor
and gags than I feel like Z does, And I
didn't feel like that was the tonal shift that added
the Z. But I feel like it's not insane for
a series to switch its tone. I feel like a

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lot of series nowadays. We'll start off trying to think
of a recent series that started off kind of light
and then it got dark, and you're like, what happened.
I think definitely in the same boat as anime. I
think doublemn cry Baby starts off and presents a completely
different anime than we land off. When we get to

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the finale, I'm like, oh, yeah, it got me. It
got me with the doo wop in Weekly Shonen Jump
began serializing Toriyama's Dragon Ball, which became an instant hit. Today,
it has sold over one hundred and fifty six million
copies in Japan alone. I used to buy it here. Yeah.

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So it began as an adventure gag manga, but later
turned into a martial arts fighting series. Considered many to
be the most influential shown in manga. Dragon Ball was
one of the main reasons for the magazine circulation hitting
a record high of six point five three million copies.
That's just that's really cool. Like that's insane that he
just like put out this this insanely successful with Dr

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Slump manga and then immediately followed up with Dragon Ball.
I mean he was like on cloud not he was
on Nimbus. Now, Nimbus is Nimbus for everyone that doesn't know,
is the cloud that Goku rides on that you have
to be pure of Hearted in order to ride um So.

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The series success encouraged Toriyama to continue working on it
from four to nine. At the series end, Toriyama said
that he asked everyone involved to let him end the manga.
He was like, just let me end it. He's done
that before though. Two Yeah, like we'll later see that
in Dragon Ball Z. I feel like as well. But
people just love it so much, and I think he's
just I think at times he's ready to close that

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chapter of his life or even in instances where he's
like killed off a character and it was like, no,
this was the right thing he said, so he could
quote take some new steps in life. Yeah. No, It's
it's so interesting because this is the second thing I
love that the creator is going through this. One of
my top favorite bands of all time is The Gorillas,

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and it's a if you don't know what the Gorillas are,
it's a cartoon band led by Damon Alburn and he
collaborates with a ton of amazing musicians to make good
music and originally started as this fake cartoon band. There
was a story behind it, and the veil was up.
I didn't even know it was Damon Alburn, even though

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it's they sound identical, but I wanted to believe it
the same way I won't look at any pictures of
Daft punk with their masks off. I would do any
like research into who's behind the Gorillas because I liked
keeping up that that mystery. But as popular as the
Gorilla's got, Damon Alburn hated it. It It was it was
kind of like his I don't want to say hated it,

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but he kind of grew tired of it. He wanted
to do other musical ventures. He didn't want to do, uh,
the Gorillas, and he kept leaving and he kept us
hanging so many times where I remember he was like,
I'm I won't do the Gorillas until I do a
Blur album, and he keeps leaving and coming back. And
the way the Gorillas are now is such a far
cry from where it started. Where now it's like very

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obviously Damon collaborating with people. Where I feel like from
Gorillas to about Demon Days is when like they kept
the ruse of this cartoon band going and then there's
beef with the artist, so same thing here. I feel
like a curatory almost like I'm done with this. I

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need to make something else, especially coming off of one
banger series to another banger series, you would imagine he's like,
I want to see if I can do another being
a creative art like a creative person, you know what
I mean. Like also, just like if I look at
him as a creative it makes sense that he wants
to move on with the different storylines move you know,
right out, certain characters move on with like it just

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it makes sense that that he would want to And
we're the ones are like no, please give us Yeah.
And also it makes sense to me, like the math
here makes sense because dr Slump comedy hit dragon Ball
starts off as a comedy, then it gets serious and
then everyone's on board. It's blowing up and he's like, wait, wait,

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I want to do comedy. So it really does make sense.
And if you notice in Super the comedy ramps up.
That was one of the most important things to him.
That is very true about a curatory Ama is that
he has said that the humor is one of the
most important things of his franchise, and even um Toyo Taro,
who worked on Dragon Ball Super, said that that was

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one of the most important things to him, was the humor.
So you're exactly correct, and it's funny because that's not
exactly why some of us watch it or or when
you think of dragon Ball, definitely think of comedy, but
I think of dragon Ball Z that's not the first
thing would be there. But yeah, So just to wrap
up this, during that eleven year period, he produced five
hundred and nineteen chapters god that were collected into forty

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two volumes. So the success of the manga led to
five anime adaptation, several animated movies, numerous video games, and
a ton of merchandise. So we should get into what
these are. What is dragon Ball? So again we said
it was created in nineteen eight four. Dragon Ball was

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initially inspired by the classic Chinese novel Journey to the West.
There's a lot of elements from Journey to the West
that are in dragon Ball. The series follows the adventures
of the protagonists son Goku from his childhood through adulthood.
Mainly his childhood, i would say, is the majority of
dragon Ball, as he trains in martial arts and explores
the world in search of the seven orbs known as

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the Dragon Balls, which essentially, when you gather all seven
the dragon balls, a wish granting dragon named Schanron appears
and will grant you your wishes. Another fun connection between
this and the Gorillas, Oh my gosh, so much. Jamie

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Auburn went on to produce Monkey Journey to the West,
which was a stage adaptation of that story. A lot
of the art for it, to the promo art and
stuff leading up to the Journey to the West was
done by the artists of the Gorillas, Jamie Hewlett. So
in my eyes they're in the same universe. And if
you if Jamie Hewlett doesn't jump out at you right away,

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Jamie Hewlett was the artist of tank Girl. Okay, yeah,
so the art for Grillas is so good. The new
artists so good and uh and I love everything around
the Grill is the lord that used to have a
flash website. If you are you trying to hijack this
episode and make it a Gorilla's episode. Oh, this is

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just my longstanding plot to prove that the dragon Ball
universe and Gorillas universe. Well, you know what, if I
will say that Goku when he looks at a full moon,
because he has something called a saying, which is an
alien from a warrior race. They have tales and they
turn into giant apes when they look at the moon. Henceforth, therefore,

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in conclusion, they are gorillas. Okay, And if you would
have let him just loose for a little bit, I'm
sure you would have grabbed a guitar start singing. So
that's dragon Ball mainly. I when I'm explaining dragon Ball
to people, Goku when he's when he's younger, Goku as
a kid, I'm sure this is very triggering to dragon
Ball fit. That is not all it is. It's not
all it is. There's so much. We were introduction to Boma,

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who is a brilliant scientist and a teenager who invents
the Dragonball radar. She ends up inventing the time machine.
Everyone always asked me, like, who I think the most
influential character, most important character is in this franchise, And
I say, Boma. Without Boma, you don't have the radar
to find the dragon Balls. But also, she invented the

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time machine that they later used. She invented an antidote
that saved Goku. She tamed a wild ruly man and
made a small child who ends up saving the world.
So moving on to dragon Ball Z Yeah. Instead of
continuing the anime as dragon Ball Toey Animation decided to

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carry on with their adaptation under a new name and
asked a curatory im to come up with the title,
and he came up with dragon Ball Z specifically because
he wanted it to be his last dragon Ball that
he did because, like I said, Toyama did not want
to do this. No, I don't know about that. I

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felt like he was done with it. He was like
he was he was done. It was like that scene.
This is another reference that you may or may not get,
but it was like that's Sen and Man on the
Moon when he's trying out new material. The Man on
the Moon was about Andy Kaufman. And then he did
the show Taxi. He didn't want to do the show
Taxi because he's that weird kind of comic who's like,

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I do this weird comedy. I don't do sitcoms. He
does it. He's trying to do material on stage and
they keep asking him to do this character from Taxi,
and I feel like that's Howtoryama had to have felt
with people asking Dragon Balls and he's like, I got
these new drawings. I've been at this point. I've been
working on these dope games, dragon Quests don't y'all want

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a dragon quest and I mean, no, give less dragon
Ball Z. Yeah, well, I don't know. I feel like
he still wanted to at least carry he loves that
man loves Goku, like really, at least from the interviews
and stuff that I read. I can't speak for him,
but I can tell he he don't have the same
love for Vegeta. Okay, he doesn't have the same love
for Vegeta. He definitely loves Goku, and I think he

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did actually want to carry on his legacy. And so
dragon Ball Z follows Goku now as an adult and
he is now a dad. It picks up five years
after dragon Ball left off. It premiered in Japan on
April nine, nine, taking over dragon Ball slot, and ran
for two hundred and nine one episodes. I want to

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tell you guys something when when Because I went on
Machinima's show to teach them about dragon Ball and they
just asked me, like my top three favorite episodes and
the like, you can't give those to them. You have
to they have to watch the whole thing in order
to understand. I'm like, no, no, no no, no, honey, none
of my friends are gonna sit down and watch two
nine one episodes of something. If I'm just trying to

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introduce it to them, like it's it's a bit much
to ask when they also are watching Game of Thrones
and all of Marvel, Netflix and the c w d
C shows and like, you know and and uh my
Hero Academian and you know. So anyways, One punch Man
Attack on Titans. So I just want to say, asking
someone to watch two episodes, which Iffy and I tried
to do for our Dragon Ball Z are krilling it man.

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By the time we got dynamic with was a whole
saga where they were traveling to Planet Namic, which took
up many episodes. It was a bit much. I will
mention that every anime that you listed is an easier
watch than to try and watch all the dragon ball
Z like Attack on Titans only going on his third season.
One punch Man only has one season, Hero three. You

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can you can watch all of those. Do you love
my shown in theme? I don't know why. I just
gravitate towards that. I mean, because it's great. I was
also like, it's so funny. I really like One punch Man.
I enjoy it, But you do have to go and watch,
like my hero dragon Ball Z all the animals to

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really really appreciate one punch man. Yeah, because it's making
fun of them. Yeah, because my buddy watched it and
he's able to enjoy it without seeing any anime. But
he's like, I'm sure there's jokes I'm missing, and I
was like, like, my favorite one is when Gino is
telling his life story and side Tom is like, shut up,

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Like because it is true and anime every character has
to tell you their life story when you meet them,
and that was funny on the nose joke. Yeah. So
Dragon Ball Z follows the adventures of adult Goku along
with his companions and as he defends the Earth against villains,
just like Dragon Ball and moving on to Dragon Ball GT.

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I mean, you don't wanna dabble in the introduction of
your boy vegeta. I feel like, when you're real quick,
I understand, I understand why you might want to focus
on Goku has the greatest charnector arc here, but it's
the arguably more character development and Goku because Goku doesn't
need it. Why fix what ain't broken. You can't relate

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to someone that's pure of hard than doesn't make sense.
Superman and Goku. I relate to both of them. He does,
you are a very naughty person. I followed you on Twitter.
There's no way you'd be able to stand on nimbus. Yeah,
he can't. That's very confusing to me as a man
who has made two children. He can see he's still

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pure of heart because doing doing the deed, because he
had no idea. Goku, in case we haven't clarified, is
not the brightest bulb, but he's like your little brother
that's dumb, and you love him because he has a
big heart and just just a little more clear for

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anyone who maybe has never seen Dragon ball Z, the
whole kind of story of Goku is he is so
the same race is a race of aliens who conquer planets,
and when he gets to Earth, he bumps his head
forgets his memory, and it seems like it does a
little more than make him forget his memory. He's a

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little he's he's kind of like the doofy strong character
that you've come to see in a lot of me.
Like almost in a sense, said Tomas, like because I
Toma is caring about the cell. But when he has
to kick someone's but he kicks it in gear and
I think that's a very fine example of the type
of character that Goku is. And even if you haven't

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seen Dragon Ball Z, but you've watched anime, you've seen
that character before. Vegeta is almost the complete opposite. He
is a very driven. He has a very which is
funny because I imagine a character like ready for the discussion,
but hear me out. I feel like Narto shares a
lot more traits then Vegeta, even though you see a

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lot of Vegeta traits in Sousc, I feel like the
the kind of desire to get stronger for a goal
is something you don't see in Goku. I feel like
Goku wants to get stronger for fun, and that kind
of driven for a goal is that you see in
a character like not at the is kind of more

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of a Vegeta thing. And then you go full Vegeta
with south Gate, which is like I need to be
better than you, um, which is Vegeta's drive one percent
Batman Goku Superman, So they have that dynamic Vegeta Tony
Stark Goku Captain America. Yeah, wholesome. So if he I
do think that we need to get into dragon Ball GT,

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dragon Ball Kai, dragon Ball No, No, it's dragon Ball
GT isn't on my list. I only have a dragon
Ball KAI. So I guess we'll skip dragon Ball GT. Well,
you know the thing you need to know about dragon
Ball GT is that alright, let I can just give
you the first sentences on our research and then should
tell you everything you need to know. Unlike the first

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two anime series, it is not based on the Cura
Toyama's original Dragon Ball manga, being created by Toya Animation
as a sequel to the series, or as Toriyama called it,
a grand side story of the original Dragon Ball Toriyama
designed the main cast, the spaceship used in the show,
the design of the three plan it's, and came up

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with the title and logo. In addition to this, Toryama
also oversaw production of the series, just as he had
for the dragon Ball and dragon Ball Z anime. Five
years after the end of the dragon Ball Z anime,
ten years in the Funnimation, dub Doku is turned back
into a child by the Black Star dragon Balls used
by Pelf and is forced to travel across the universe

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to retrieve them, along with his granddaughter Pan and Trunks.
The trio go through various adventures in their journey to
find the black Star dragon Ball until they encountered Baby,
the evil artificial toughl who intends to destroy the saying race,
there's a lot more dragon Ball than that. You got Ka,
you got Super And we'll touch on that a little
bit with a friend, Collie Bear. Right after these messages,

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welcome back to our introduction to the dragon Ball franchise,
and we are going to talk about dragon Ball Kai.
Dragon Ball Kai was actually pretty popular. It's something that
I feel like it's a It's a shortened remastered version
of dragon Ball Z. And when my friends asked me
how to get into dragon Ball Z, I normally point

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them to Kai. I actually, truthfully, very honestly point them
to the movies. So the movies are typically about an hour.
They stand alone from the series, and I think that's
a much easier way if you're trying to give people
kind of like a quick glimpse into the series, is
to introduce them to a movie as opposed to the
entire series. But if they are wanting to go down
that road, I normally tell them about Kai. So In

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February two thou nine, dragon Ball Z celebrated its twentieth
anniversary and uh they rebrought so Toy Animation announced that
it would broadcast a re edited and remastered version under
the name Dragon Ball Kai. So the footage would be
re edited to follow the manga more closely, eliminating scenes
and episodes which were not featured in the original manga,

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result teen in a more faithful adaptation as well as
a faster moving and more focused story. So people that
don't know, Dragon Ball Z is notorious for having filler episodes.
Their episodes where nothing really happens, and I personally love
them because I feel like it's a slice of life
into the characters. And the reason why is because they
were making the show quicker than they were making the manga,

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so they had run out at that point and so
they had to do filler episodes while they were waiting
for the manga to be released. Yeah, this isn't unique
to dragon Ball Z either. This is something that has
happened and not though and a lot of shows, which
is why the anime is usually run a lot longer
than the manga's because they have to feel they have
to fill the time between the story with filler episodes,

(30:48):
which is why you get an episode of dragon Ball Z.
We're Goku in Piccolo. Piccolo is a green the Machian
alien from the planet Namic and I go to the
d m V. They go to the d m V
and they learned how to drive even though they can fly.
But you know, it's a great episode, great outfits, highly recommended,
probably one of the most popular filler episodes. I agree.

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Dragon Ball Z KAI reduced the episode count to one nine. Yeah,
that's from two. Remember we said dragon Ball Z originally
has two episode. So they cut all a lot of
stuff out and just kind of got to the meat
and it's at one and fifty nine. They also damaged
frames were removed and they yeah, they made it prettier.

(31:35):
They had a lot of Actually, the remastered the Vegeta
and Goku fight is beautiful, one of my favorites. Then
we were blessed, truly, We're truly blessed because on April
fift Toey Animation announced that Dragon Ball Super, the first

(31:57):
all new dragon Ball television series to be released in
eighteen years. Oh we waited. That's a full grown adult, yes,
and a debuted on July five and ran as a
weekly series at nine am on Fuji TV on Sundays
until it's series finale on March this year. It was

(32:19):
after one hundred and thirty one episodes. When you're a
dragon Ball fan, you are committed. Okay, you are committed.
How many episodes does Friends have? I don't know, Seinfeld,
but we're looking at each of these, each of these series.
We're talking dragon Ball, dragon Ball Z, g T. If

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you're into that, Ky, if you're into that too, and Super,
I mean you're a committed fan to watch all of this.
So so the story is set in the years after
Majin Boo, which was a character which was a villain
and the dragon Ball Z series, and the Earth has
once again become peaceful so cured. Toyama is credited obviously

(33:01):
as the original creator as well for the original story
and character design concepts. Dragon Ball Super follows the adventures
again of Goku and his friends, but this time Goku
encounters beings far more powerful and attains the power of
a god. So he defends the Earth against the powerful
destructive deities and travels to other universes, this time to

(33:23):
face more powerful opponents as well. As nearly unstoppable foes
while learning his newly discovered powers under the Gods of
the Universe. Yeah, it was just the next place it
could go, That's what you're saying. So, what's what's more
powerful than like the levels of super saying we've seen
before and it obviously was super saying. This reminds me

(33:45):
of Marvel and d C because I feel like they
start at the this, you know, the street level, which
is like your your Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, Peter Parker,
and then move on to the the like I feel like,
what I like to global scale than space then universe Marvel,

(34:10):
which is interesting because cosmic Marvel and Avengers only intermingling
with big events like Infinity War. But I felt like
the way it was presented to us in movie forms,
you would assume that Avengers were bigger than Guardians of
the Galaxy depending on who you talk to, I feel

(34:30):
like super comic book nerves are like, no, I've always
known that they're the same, but I feel like you're
average Watcher was like, oh no, the Adventures of the
Big Dogs and the Guardians are joined them, but it's like, no,
the Guardians of the Galaxy are the Avengers of Space,
and I, you know, hopefully we really get to feel
that in the next one. I feel like there's it's
just the way the story is told and how and

(34:51):
who we've had time to gravitate towards and love, and
you know, we've only gotten Peter Quill normally. Also, I
think it's because but you don't have like you're Captain
America or Stark, Like Peter Quill's kind of a goofball. See,
it's hard to kind of take him seriously as a leader,
but I do Iffy. Yeah, before we bring in Kyle,

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I just wanted to touch on the animation process, Yes,
please do for how this whole thing works moving from
manga to anime. So, when dragon Ball first began airing
on Fuji TV, digital animation did not exist and the
majority of the franchise was animated in the traditional fashion
on celluloid sheets. And in recent years, the dragon Ball

(35:37):
franchise has entered the digital race with numerous features, theatrical
films and in dragon Ball Super coming out. Um they
also have a new movie coming out this next year.
And what I was gonna say is they're working so
quickly and they have a little bit of a turnover
as far as animation, where there's a little bit of
argument in the dragon Ball community, as far as the

(36:00):
animation of some of the dragon Ball Super episodes aren't
always on point. Maybe we can include on our Twitter
Instagram some examples of that so you can see what
we mean. It doesn't bother me as much. I feel
like they're trying to get this content out as quickly
as possible. But I understand, especially when you look at
some other anime that has been afforded the ability to

(36:23):
really work on, Like our friend Lashawn Thomas. His the
anime that he's working on is Whof. That's his one thing.
Like how a Curatorama just wants it to be funny,
Lashawn just wants things to look beautiful. He's obsessed with
the animation of It makes sense that that's not tory
AMA's first priority. We're gonna take another break and we're

(36:44):
gonna come back with our friend calibert to talk about
some of the character to like my folio sat or impression. Yeah.
I was like, right, you know, that's just wrong with it,

(37:05):
and we're going back. I am iffy way the way
one of your hosts nerdificent. I'm Danny Fernandez. I felt
like I was cutting you off there you were, but
I'll let it. I'll let it slide this time. But yes,
we're sitting here a good friend of ours, probably one

(37:25):
of our favorite friends, who don't tell our other friends,
none other illustrious, the man with the golden voice. That's
that's what they call him in the streets. You may
not know this. He's the man with the Golden voice,
the man of a thousand voices. Man. I don't know
if that's correct, but we're gonna round up. Um it is.
Voice actor Kylie Bart. Thanks for joining us, Thanks for

(37:47):
having me. Thank you. Next time, I'm dragon Balls. I'm
that guy. Yeah you are. You are the voice of
many people's childhoods and adulthoods Um you'll I mean Kyle's
nixt oxtensive voice acting as well as anime voice acting,
but specifically dragon Ball related the voice of adult Gohan,

(38:08):
who had a huge crush on So technically, I guess
I had a crush on your voice as a as
a teenage girl, a teenage Danny also the narrator. That's
that you just did that? Man, you ruined so many
people's weeks. He's the most powerful dragon Ball character because
he is God. He decides when stuff goes down and

(38:29):
stuff stops because of a commercial break or whatever. You know. Yeah, yeah,
also ox King ox King. Yeah, So so to go
back because I just skipped over that Gohan is the
son of Goku. Um ox King is Gohan's grandfather. Kind
of incestuous. They're like, yeah, your just voice. If you
got Goku, you would have gotten the full chain. Yeah,

(38:53):
and then Bar Duck, who's Goku's dad, you could have
been him too, And then you could have just been
the whole and go to him. Now. My my first
gig voiceover was was on the Bardoc Special and I
was like Horned Guy number one or something like this
dude with big horns that his gang takes on Bar.
Of course they get their butt handed to him, but

(39:13):
I was like, this is a special moment. Man, I'm
on a show that I'm already a fan of. And wait,
so you were already a fan? What was your first
introduction to dragon Ball? Then five? I want to say,
the now defunct and America magazine had a cover story
on dragon Ball and I read it and I thought, Wow,

(39:34):
this is fascinating. This is this is different than like
Charlie Brown or The Simpsons, where everyone goes on for
years and years and stays the same age. This one
actually goes in someone like a linear pattern, you know,
a little Goku. He grows up, he gets married, he
has kids, and you see the kids grow up and
then they have kids. It's like, all right, this is cool.
It's like that part grounded a little more in reality,
making a little more relatable. It's not just oh anime,

(39:56):
you know, you know, I go without listening out the
bankers because you know, we are talking about Dragon ball Z.
But like Dany said, you have a thousand voice. You
are you uh fighter Yeah, and we're talking about One
punch Man earlier and you were Atomic Samurai Summura. It's
so funny because I've heard your voice so many times

(40:19):
and not realize it because I just jammed through One
punch Man recently and nice, I just assumed that I'm
hearing you at this point. Yeah. Well, the Twunami block
on Saturday nights on Cartoon Network, it is like the
Kylie Bear cameo because I was cocking on JoJo's Bizarre
Adventure start as Crusaders. I'm Kiba still on on Narutosha

(40:40):
Putin and um, of course that's wrapping up soon. But
um yeah, yeah, I'm on Hunter Hunter and as moral see,
if he calls it hunter hunter, we've been wrong this
whole time. Oh man, no, no, these Look we've had
some voice actors that call it Hunter x Hunter, but
I mean there are hunter hunter x Hunter, but I
mean they're not on it. But like right, we've had

(41:00):
people rights, but we gotta go with what Kyle says. Yeah,
well yeah, because it's directed by Tony Oliver, he calls
it hunter Hunter. Yeah, because I mistakenly going in there,
It's like, so, what tell me about this Hunter x Hunter.
It's like no, no, no, it's not like a shipping thing.
It's like a Hunter x Hunter. Like not quite. That's
settled if in the Nerdificent Encyclopedia. Yeah, see another another

(41:25):
another thing we should settle right now. It is Reu
not Ryu. Yeah, conferred that learned that the first time
I met you, and now I dropped. I dropped that
fact at parties. I mean you know, I dabbled in
the f GC, so I kind of already knew. Okay, mom,
almost you've already. I've been training, you know for the
past uh thirty years uh, and soon I'll be able

(41:48):
to step up to the plate. Go all the way
at EVO. I'm coming for you. I'm coming for xnic Fox.
You're ready coming for your face. I know that's were
you following that at all? No? No, and yeah, not
at all. You're like, I'm DVZ out. Yeah, I'm good. See,
I'm casual gamer, so I button mash. Those guys would

(42:08):
call me in ten seconds. I love Dragon Ball Fighters.
I think it's an excellent fighting game, and that's found
a good fandom following, even for people not fans of
dragon Ball you know, it's like it's just an excellent,
well built, well constructed fighting game for people of all
different skill level. Yeah. Yeah, if you're not a big
game or you can still play Dragon Ball Fighters. I

(42:30):
know because I did. I actually we were in like
a tournament or something. I mean it was like a
casual one that was happening at this bar. But I
beat the first person I played against. I did you
do it by stamming and hitting square? Yeah, that's what
I do. Yeah, I did pretty good. I think I
put No. I like messed around a little bit. But
people mistakenly think that I'm a gamer and I'm not.

(42:52):
I can only be into so many things, people, I
can only be into so many things. You are also
Professor Oak for Pokemon for for New York minute, because
that show is recorded in New York. But for the
case of Pokemon Origins, that four episode anime series, uh,
they did for whatever reason, cast it in l A.
So um. I took that role for that for that

(43:14):
very brief run there. So I know that that funimation
is based out of and they're the ones that dubbed
dragon Ball Z and they're based out of Dallas or
Flower Mound. So do you do all of your recording here?
I do now. When I was doing Kai, you know,
over the past decade or so, I would have to
fly into town or if I happen to be there. Yeah. Yeah.
But now technology has gotten really good with source connect

(43:37):
and and and and be directed over Skype, and these
these apps all talk to each other so they can
direct in real time and make sure everything sinks up
with the lip flap and all that stuff. So I'm
able to stay here. I mean, yes, it costs them
extra money because they got to rent the studio out
and all that. But but I get to drive, you know,
just across town, as opposed to taking a whole day

(43:59):
flying out, you know, for hundreds of dollars, losing all
the money you made because anime pay is crop. It's true. Yeah,
But so you were saying that you were a fan
of the series before you got on board. So did
did you feel like that made it easier for you
to jump in and do these boys because you're like,
I know what this is. Oh yeah, yeah. When I

(44:21):
when I first went in for the auditions, it was
an open call back in the summer of two thousand.
I get there and the receptionist says, Okay was living
in Dallas. Yeah. Yeah, I grew up in Dallas at
a radio job. I was on Radio Disney. It was
a DJ and Radio Disney. So it was Kara Edwards
who's Fidel and got in. By the way, we were
on the air as like a team show. You know. Wow,

(44:41):
so you've known her for a long time. Yeah, we
go way back, okay cool? Yeah, yeah yeah, And once
we we we got that voice acting bug and everything,
and we got in with Funimation started on Z and
you know, there's the ball was rolling. It's just crazy. Yeah,
so it let's go on. The first role for them
that you booked or were you go on? Go On

(45:03):
was the first thing I tried out for because I
picked it out of the notebook. They said, just just
pick whoever you want to read for. I opened it up.
It was Gohan. I knew who that was, Like, I'm
reading for that one. Everybody else I hadn't seen up
to that point. I only seen the first two sagas
here and there. You know, the Canadian dub, the Ocean
dub isn't with you know, Scott McNeil as Um Piccolo

(45:25):
and Brian Drummond as Vegeta is like and you know
four or five different Gokus, Peter Colombus, Ian Corlette, Kirby
Murrow and so on. It wasn't even Sean Shimmeley yet.
Um so yeah, yeah, I fell in love with that stuff.
I was watching Pioneer put Out, like the Dead Zone
movie and all that stuff. So I was watching this.
It's like, this is so cool. I have Yeah, I know,

(45:45):
go around the Apartment just next time on Dragon Balls.
Fast forward five years, I'm working on the freaking show
and I was just like stoked fanboy dream times too.
You know, I wanted to get into voice acting for animation. Done,
and then I wanted to be on the DJ. I'll
be a DJ on the radio. Done. And then I
get on a show that I'm a fan of. Done.

(46:07):
Oh yes, So did this open the door for the
rest of yours? I think so because of the momentum
of dragon Ball in the first incarnation of two No.
I mean those big nineties early two thousand's when kids
would come home every day and watch that stuff. I
got to to roll in them. As they stopped airing

(46:27):
the Canadian dub and then starting with the trunk saga,
went to the Texas cast, and then that went forward
and then I was riding that way. Man. It was
like and then you just have no idea that you're
affecting a future generation. Yeah, that's what that was gonna be.
My follow up question, What do you feel the point
was when you realize, like, oh, this is bigger than

(46:48):
I thought it was. Well, it was just by the
sheer amount of interest and enthusiasm on a global scale.
I was. I was getting invites to convention still do luck.
I'm so blessed that I get to travel the world
and talk about something I'm passionate about and something that
means a lot to the fans. And um, you know,

(47:09):
while I'm not a therapist or I'm not a doctor,
I'm not curing things. I like to think that entertainment
is therapy. And you know, I'm one small piece of
the pie. With all the creators, writers, producers, editors, mixers,
you know, all the talent involved behind the scenes, all
the people on the network level that get that show
out there and everything working from partners in America partners

(47:30):
in Japan. Now dealing with this beheamoth of of fandom
thanks to social media and awareness and streaming and all
that stuff. So yeah, yeah, it was unreal to to
ride that that wave. Remember when Suncoast Motion Picture Company,
Remember that it had an anime section and a Dragon
Ball Z section. Gosh, yeah, the biggest anime definitely the

(47:55):
biggest anime arguably Onto Nami. But honestly, I mean, I
think the only thing that rivals it as far as
being mainstream here would be Pokemon. Yes, yeah, totally. But
now it's just its own just beast, and that's all
you can really call it. So you so you started
off as was the first one, the bar Dock. Yeah, yeah,

(48:17):
I started off a bit part voices because they hadn't
quite gotten to that episode that story arc with with
the Orange Star High and Go Hunt in high School
and everything. They hadn't quite gotten there yet, but they
wanted to get the casting done in advance, and they
knew they were taking a gamble cut you off. You
already had it, but you were just waiting for it
to catch up kind of because they said, we wanted

(48:38):
to make sure because this is your first time, and
you know, there's there are people that are very established
actors that come in here and the beeps and matching
the lip flap throws them off. Yeah, because I don't
think people, I mean, you are not just voice acting
where you have to match something the animation that's already
been done, because it's already been done in Japan. It's
already in Japanese. So you're not only that, but the

(49:02):
writers are having to work so that the words are matching,
like you said, the lip flaps and stuff. And see,
nowadays it's a whole different ball game than that those
early days where censorship was king and Japan just wanted
to get the shows on the air and reach the
widest audience as possible, and that means children and the compromises.
The FCC steps in and tells you, oh, you see

(49:23):
that cigarette, turn it into a lollipop. Villain has a lollipop.
So it wasn't until I finally we got two redubbing
Dragon ball Z in the uncut form, and I couldn't
believe how bloody and violent that show is, Like this
is not a kid show. Oh yeah, no, not at all.
It was, but it was such a wild ride. So

(49:43):
so you said, like the mouth flap thing was was
kind of daunting for a few voice actors. Is that
still Is that still a thing where you kind of
have to deal with the beeps? Or have have there
been technological advancements that made a little There are different methods.
The one that I work with the most, and I
think a lot of the l a talent pool that
deal with with anime and video games, like the cut

(50:06):
scene stuff, you know, not the dialogue per se, but
the cut scene stuff where there's at least rudimentary like
animatics or something where you're trying to match timing of
something that's still done. That that's pretty par for the course. Now,
I've also worked at studios where you have the dialogue
coming across the screen like you're playing Dance Dance Revolution
and you have to say the word when it hits

(50:27):
the red line. Yeah, there's different proprietary versions of that,
and I dig that version. I think that's cool. I
have a question because you've voiced so many people, and
I feel like this is taboo to ask, but like,
do you have a favorite favorite? Is the next one,
the next thing that's coming, Because when you're a freelance
contract laber, you don't know where your next meal, Yeah,

(50:48):
your bill is going to be paid, And it's like, hey,
you're basically hired and fired all the time. Because if
I come in and I'm a bit part voice and
I'm in one episode of one show, that's it. I'm
done until hopefully I get called back and I auditioned
for the next show or story arc or whatever, and
if I get something bigger than yeah, there's a few
more hours. Here's some crumbs, and then video games pay

(51:11):
way better. Yeah yeah, yeah, Well, then what are some
of your at least I would say with you voicing
gohan Um, what were some of your favorite like arcs
of his or like sagas that you got to voice
or remember having the most fun getting to do totally.
You know, from it sounds selfish and totally egotistical, but
saying great, say man, because it was all about Gohan.

(51:33):
It was about his dorky side, which I totally am
in tune with, and as much hate as I've seen
from fandom saying that was terrible, it was like, no,
I loved it his most Gohan this Yeah, yeah, because
you already know he's a badass. Okay, it's like, well,
what else does he bring to the table. He's naive

(51:53):
like his dad, but he's really nerdy. He's super super
duper nerdy. Yeah, and I love playing that aspect of him.
But of course, you know when you play the big, strong,
muscle guy who could just bring it and all that
and be a killer team member, absolutely so much fun.
So then if you were just moving from doing radio
to now doing voice acting, Dragon Ball specifically like Dragon

(52:16):
moll Z has so many powering up scenes, how did
you like work up to being able to do that? Well,
you first get constipated and then you know, it's like,
I think that would make Sean Schimmel mad. When fans
would say, like, you sound constipated, It's like, well, how
are you supposed to sound when you're exerting? You know,
like I try to do it and like the just

(52:39):
the um stress it puts on your throat, like unless
you're properly trained. Well, you know, it was kind of
our boot camp for now. You know, as is widespread
and mainstream as video game recording, especially for l A
talent is and how much RPG first person shooters and
fighters and all that require a lot of screen me

(53:00):
and you're getting people in the talent pool going, I'm
not used to this, and it's like, oh, I got this, man,
I've been doing this for years, like I've been born
for this. I know. That's been funny. I think the
funniest thing the few times I've done VR work is
just when it's like all right, effort noises and you're
like and if you're doing on a on a game,

(53:24):
it's it's like structured a little different because the footage
is usually not there. You're just doing three takes in
a row of the linear script, just your lines. You
have no context. You're you're depending on your director or
the client to tell you what the hell are you
talking to or responding to, or or like okay, three
open mouth punches, three closed mouth now major damage, you know,

(53:46):
you know, and they save all that for the end
the dialogue, this whisper stuff, the narration, all that's done first,
and then they blow your vocal cords out at the
end of the session. Yeah, so you know, just to
just for all those aspiring v o v a s
listening that are at the edge of their seat where like,
asked something I want to hear. Uh. Something I find

(54:09):
whenever I get VO auditions that I've been like, wow,
you guys got it rough is sometimes you'll get auditions
where you just get wines without context, where it's just
like this, this is what they're saying, and you're like,
I'm supposed to act, but you're giving me no context.
What do you feel helps with that type of stuff?
I think if the client is and this is up

(54:32):
to the client, I mean, if they have the foresight
to give you at least a basic short and I
do mean short summary. It's like, tell me what I
absolutely need to know. I don't need a three page
exposition showing the holy world building universe that you have
at all the sub genres, like no, no, for the
sake of this audition, what do I need to know
about my character? Preferably a picture of him, an age range,

(54:53):
some sort of vocal quality, maybe an MP three or
YouTube reference to It's like we kind of think I
like Christian Bale and it'll have a link and I'll
listen to his delivery in that and it's like okay,
so they want something like Christian Bale, but not just
like Christian Bale, so that it becomes that juggling act
where you want to give them something that stands out
and we'll hopefully nail the gig. I know that's always

(55:15):
the dice role of like standing out or hitting it. Yes,
So I don't know who watches Rick and Morty in here,
but white women all got invited in that episode where
all those they were trying to find those like fake people,
like like they had the imaginary people. And then there
was the character Tinkles and he did the song like
some are in Tinkles fens at the end, group text

(55:37):
the whole anyone who know that I'm the only one anyway,
They sent it to everyone on my improv group and
it said little John DMX type, and they sent the
track to do it to everyone else of my group,
who are smart people the foresight to do it to
the tempo of the song. But I'm like, nah, I

(55:57):
know what DMX sounds like. I was so focused on
sounding like DMX and so it literally was summarinty cools friends. Still,
it was so slow, and like after we submitted it,
we all listened to each other's and everyone laughed. They're like,
if you what are you doing? I was like, well,

(56:17):
it's soon to do Little Jaws. Sometimes thinking outside the
box is that lucky move. Some people will land gigs
because they slate the beginning of the audition, which is
their name and the role they're doing. It's like, kyle
A there, do eat this voice. You know. It's like
and that will might catch the director's here and they
will hit stop because they're so sick of hearing auditions

(56:39):
of the same dialogue in and out, and it's like, oh,
here's someone who did something a little bit different, and
maybe they improvised a line here and there. They could
have got the context completely wrong, but hey, they're not
gonna panalyze me because they didn't tell me, you know,
they're just gonna hear a delivery and they're either gonna
like it or they're gonna say next. Never take it personal,
have a thick skin and um worts yourself from that audition.

(57:01):
Do the best you can and wait for the next
one to come along. Lather Rinse repeats, Oh man, that
bonus if you land the gig. Oh, I know right
that that's for you. V O people that you got.
You had your section. Now we're gonna talk about anime again.
I want to know what was going through your mind,
because okay, so you do Dragon Ball Z, you do

(57:24):
Kai Kai Is in the books, you're like all right,
Like you were saying you're done with the job, You're like,
all right, gonna do the next thing. And then they
announced Dragon Ball Super. What's going through your head? That
blew my mind? Because we had the two movies right,
the Battle of Gods in Resurrection F and those did

(57:44):
gangbusters at box office in Japan and here they were
released here and then in theaters here in the States.
Oh yeah, and they had premiere with the Japanese voice
actors and the English and that it was just unreal.
They they sold out screenings. They had to add more screenings.
It's not like they made film prints like they normally do.

(58:05):
There was just a digital thing. But it was nationwide,
it was worldwide for for a lot of countries, and
it did so well. So I thought, Okay, this is
the future. The movies are probably easier to make and
they make more money. They're more probably. Yeah, so you
thought they were just going to stick with movies absolutely,
because it's set in you know, this, this this continuity
that kind of red Coons t t out of existence,

(58:28):
which a lot of people are fine with, especially Gohan's
getting you know, nerved at the end of the Boos saga.
But and then Super comes along. It's like, oh my god, Wow.
And then Super the movie, which is coming out what
in December and Japan January in English And No, I
have no idea of gohans in it or not. I don't. Yeah,

(58:50):
I feel like it would honestly be a disservice. But
I feel like if we're talking about your character of Gohan,
I mean there's a lot of debate about him because
I feel like he, for people that don't know, ended
up being arguably the strongest character in Dragon ball Z.
By the end of the cell saga, which is a

(59:10):
villain that they defeated. Um but so Goku has always
been historically the strongest, and then Gohan, his son ended
up kind of taking that mantle and everyone thought, oh,
you're the new Goku. And then he ended up not
he ended up, you know, which is fine, Like he
just he ended up being more into academics. He got married,
he kind of settled down, and I don't know, I'm

(59:32):
sure people come up to you all the time and
it's like I don't control that, you know, but like
I'm I'm I'm just I'm interested to hear like your
take on his development or how you feel about getting
about playing this, you know, softer Gohan. I guess I
think it's important to show depth in character and evolution

(59:54):
and growth, you know, don't just keep him stifled and
just label or stereotype him as he's only this, he
can't grow. It's like, no, that's not fair. Let's show
that he can be a responsible, good husband, good loving,
nurturing father, unlike his own who was not that. Again,
if he did, you hear that because more of a dad.

(01:00:16):
I mean, let's be honest, can't parent if the world
is destroyed? I respect that. I do respect that he's
saving the world. He can't change diapers. I get that.
I RESPECTA seems to do it pretty well. Well good, Well,
that's why Vegina is always in second place. And I
don't know, sometimes I feel like you're pulling in first.
He's coming through. He's given Goku his power. We could

(01:00:41):
but Vegeta and Boma. How did that even happen? He
seems so unpassion Kyle, that is passion. Okay, that is
too fine. I can't swear that it's too very fine.
People who were sexually frustrated? Was that a one night
stand that just erupted into something? I don't know? You know?
He yeah, we're what are we? Pg? I can't say

(01:01:04):
all the things I want to say, but I do
want to say that that is the result of two
people in the summer heat. Uh, it's always like summer.
Whenever they're training. It's like she's in like a bikini
or whatever, like chilling at her compound, and he's like
sweaty as hell. I'm sorry fan fiction. Um, you know

(01:01:27):
he's out there training. You know he's wearing lug boots,
you know the ones that master flex war And then
to the hyperbolic time chamber and they all brow out together.
So so I mean super has been taking place the
last couple of years, so you've gotten to reprise Gohan
the last couple of years. And a time when it
kind of just was like he was done, you know,

(01:01:47):
I thought, Yeah, I thought, if anything, he'll be minimally involved.
He's still not like majorly involved, but he had a
bigger part that I thought he would. Yeah, well how
does that? Like? How is that? And now rejoining the
concircuit with all of a sudden's all of these dragon
Ball fans coming back. I'll tell you it's killer because

(01:02:09):
this past year we had a lot of us were
invited to the Dallas area for the first Kameha con comicon.
I don't know how you pronounce that, call me home,
but this is the first all Dragonball themed convention, and
we had Japanese actors, we had Canadian actors and English
actors and creators and directors and producers. All they're signing

(01:02:30):
autographs all weekend and panels and discussions and merch and
artist ali just just the quality which is like blow
you away, and it's like, man, the first year event
and almost everyone was not from Dallas. They came from
other countries, other states, and they said, as soon as

(01:02:51):
those those tickets went on sale, like almost a year ago,
I ordered them. That's like I have to be there
for this. This is historical and all of us who
work on the show, we're just blown away. And so
yeah that that that's coming back. And then a lot
of us are on the con circuit anyway, so we
bring that to the comic cons and the anime cons
and yeah, it's just a juggernaut. It's not going anywhere.

(01:03:12):
It seems like it's never slow. It's only I remember
for the final episode of Dragon Ball Super, I think
they showed because they showed it outside in Mexico and
they were like a hundred and eighty thousand people that
showed up to watch the final episode. That's just in
that particular area. Yeah, like think of everyone worldwide that
was watching the final episode. Yeah, like this this this

(01:03:34):
kame con is inviting the Mexican voice of Goku. Yes,
that's yes. I will say that is so big just
alone when we were doing krill in it. How many
of our friends are Latin X friends that grew up
watching the Spanish dubs to see that they're getting there

(01:03:55):
just do as well. It's super exciting for me. Yeah, totally, totally,
and it's like it's it's equal representation. You're getting, Oh, hey,
I watched the ocean depth, Well, then you might want
to go talk to those gentlemen over there, and then
over here is the Texas people, and oh you want
to meet Japanese vegeta. We're getting that really long, long
and we'll see what we can do. I am actually

(01:04:17):
a co host of comicn this this year. Yeah, I'm
co hosting it. Yeah, dude, I'm pretty sure that you are.
But I don't control I don't control all of that. Um. Yeah,
I was announced last year. I believe it was Geeked
Geeked on one on one was a host, and now
I am co hosting it with him. So um, everybody,

(01:04:41):
brace yourselves. Yeah, continue this combo there. I guess. Well. No,
I wanted to say, just because we were talking about
dubs really quickly, is that I don't want to get
into the subs for stubs debate. What I do want
to say is my quick onet like two sentence rant,
is that I think it's so beautiful that dragon moll

(01:05:02):
z can be dubbed in so many different languages, like
it's in Portuguese, it's in Spanish, Yes, it's in English
and Chinese and Japanese and so German. Yeah. I never
quite understood that argument of like, no, it has to
be like this one. The owners don't want it to be.
They want it to be dubbed in so many different
languages so they can capitalize on all these markets and
share their creation with so many markets. But also that

(01:05:23):
means that a little kid in Brazil gets too, gets
to watch it in their native tongue and and and
and grow up with it that way. I think that's
so special, and I think that's really cool. It's a
very positive thing. I know, as if I were a
creator creating a franchise of that magnitude, I would want
it to reach as why an audience as possible around

(01:05:45):
the globe. And I'm not going to sit here and say, well,
this is what we intended because this is the native
language that it's in, So anything else's in our films
get our films get dubbed into other American films and
television get dubbed into other My brother, one of his
favorite things is a lot of Netflix. The animated shows
on Netflix, you have the option of watching it in Spanish,
and that's how he's trying to teach my knee Spanish.

(01:06:07):
So yeah, and I think that's really cool. Um. Yeah,
and the live action dub thing is is is a
different beast. It's like because of the subtleties of the
way the mouth moves in different languages, it's hard to
sync up one language with another, like like it one
ends with a consonant, but his mouth is obviously doing
a vowel, like oh, it's like how do you make
it fit and stay faithful? So it's like it's a

(01:06:29):
little give and take. It's easier with anime because the
mouth is not as it's not like three D animation. Yeah, yeah,
so yeah, it's it's fun times. Yeah, I know it's
an exciting time for anime and it's an exciting time
for DVZ fans truly. But the whole dragon Ball tour
going across America now too. I have nothing to do
with that, but maybe some of the actors might. I

(01:06:52):
don't know. But yeah, with Fighters and the Legends game
on mobile and it's coming on switch. Yeah, it's taken over. Actually,
we talked about this with our Comic Con episode, but
the Hall H panel for dragon Ball Super for the
new movie was like sold out. It was packed. Well

(01:07:15):
that's crazy because normally those are the ones like where
they show the Marvel trailers or the d C trailers,
And the fact that our anime that you know, not
everyone takes us seriously was completely packed for Comic Con
and had taken over. I remember, Um, I always saw
you post a picture. Were you you were there this year? Right? Okay,
well I saw that you had I think shared a
picture because Gohan was on one of the elevators at

(01:07:37):
the Marriott, and like, this is so cool, like to
see this interactive space with with UH, with these characters
just kind of taking over San Diego to me that
it's blown up so much. And and I know you've
been going to UH to comic Con for a while
and I started going when I was like eleven. I think,
actually you probably signed something of mine as Gohan, I

(01:07:58):
was like a pimple e team major getting you to
sign something. Um, but I did. I had a huge
crush on go On. Well that's fantastic, yeah, okay, oh
I think it is time do you take this plane
down for a landing? Is there anything you want to
plug Kyle there and let people know where to catch
you where you're gonna be sure, Captain, we'd no. Yeah.

(01:08:21):
So I'm at Kyle Abert on Twitter, at Kyle aber
on Instagram. I'm so happy that Instagram as of today
has just opened up applications to be verified. So I'm
already verified on Twitter, but Instagram eludes me. But now
it's they made it public, so it's wait to get
that Facebook. Do you get the Facebook right? Social media moment? Yeah,

(01:08:46):
because strangely there are people out there wanting to imitate
us on social media. It's like, I'm sure advantage is
there to do that? What is me? I'm Kyle Herbert.
You know that's not right. Yeah, you're not pronouncing it right.
H G B E R T does Louisiana French. So
look me up on Twitter. That's where I am most active.

(01:09:08):
On Facebook, dot com slash Kylie beer v O and
uh yeah, tune into Tunami. You know you're gonna hear
me a lot show almost every show. Yeah, yeah, that's funny.
Does anyone in your family, like, I mean, was it
a thing where you would like send your family, like, hey,
I'm gonna be on this and now it's just like no,
please stop everything. The first time I taped it when

(01:09:29):
it came on you remember VCRs. Yeah, I taped the
first thing to run on TV. The bar Dock was
the first thing that came out for release that I
could buy in the store. But Cartoon Network aired some
of the bit part stuff and then I showed my
dad and he tuned out after about ten seconds. That's nice, son,
We are proud of you. Though it's like, all right, thanks.

(01:09:50):
I know it's not your cup of tea, but I'm
I'm living my dream and it's like, well, we're happy
for you, sons. So my parents rock. They're super supportive,
cool love it. I am at MS Danny Fernandez, M
S D A and I F E R N A
and D easy and uh yeah, Like I was saying,
if you're a dragon Ball, dragon Ball Z, dragon Ball
super fan, I will be hosting Comicon, which it's in April.

(01:10:15):
It's in April, so you've got time to get tickets,
but I would get them now. I think Texas. Yeah,
I think it ended up being sold out last year. Yeah,
it was packed at least the V I p stuff
was it was packed, it was backed to hell. I
was excited. You'd think the Beatles were playing. I mean
I pulled up there from the from the hotel and
it's like, oh my god, screaming going on here, screaming fans. Yes, yeah,

(01:10:39):
I mean people grew up with you guys, and now
are introducing their kids, and they're growing up with it.
It's actually kind of insane that you and a lot
of the other Texas that originated in Texas voice actors
have been able to voice these characters for like two decades. Yeah. Yeah,
and now we're speaking to like current gen people like
you know, I've worked on Attack on Ty in some

(01:11:00):
of the newer shows, and maybe kids today maybe that's
their first exposure. But then they start following voice actors
and finding out that they were oh, let me check
out these older shows, or they'll watch abridged, which is
like free advertising. You know. It's I was like, hey,
these are funny jokes. Let's see what the original show
actually says in these scenes. It's like, all right, we're

(01:11:20):
gaining fans. That's great. Yeah, well, and you know me, um,
if you wide away on Twitter and Instagram, if d
s on Twitch. Thanks for coming through, y'all on the
twenty nine. That weekend, I'll be in DC doing Improblem
with White Women's make sure you come through and if
you're in the l A area. September another, another edition

(01:11:41):
of Your Token Friend will be Alive and Direct on
the UCB Sunset Stage. More info of that could be
found on those social media accounts that I just mentioned.
Now you might be asking yourself, will will if you
and Danny be able to cover the parts of TVZ
that I like? Will they go do a deep diving

(01:12:02):
dragon Ball? Will they do the deep dive on Z?
How much? What about the video games like um Boudakai?
What about the video games like bud find out next
time on a future episode of Nerdive Sin. Yeah, don't worry,
we got you. We got you. This is the one
series I know the most about that I have tattooed
on my body, So we will definitely be covering this.

(01:12:24):
Somebody actually asked us a good question that I want
to address, and they're like, why don't you when you
tackle a topic, why don't you do two or three
more episodes on that topic? You know, like we did
Twilight Zone. I'm like, oh, we'll deep dive into it later,
and they're like, why didn't you do two or three
more episodes on twilight Zone. Well, the thing is is
that not everyone likes it, and so we want to
give like a fun introduction to these Some of them

(01:12:46):
require additional episodes, some of them don't, but like, we
don't want to do a month's worth of episodes because
this comes out once a week. We don't want to
do like two or three weeks on twilight Zone. If like,
you know, a core part of our fan base is like, yeah,
we're good, We're good. Um, we could. And the thing
is that if he and I could absolutely just do
the things that we personally are obsessed with, but we

(01:13:08):
really want to learn about other fandoms that you know,
we might not be as well versed in, and and
then also sprinkling ones that we are very well versed in.
And so it's kind of just our style. Um, we're
entertainers first, I feel like, well we're nerds first, entertainers,
and then um, all of the all of the deep
dive stuff. The short version of that is it's more

(01:13:31):
interesting if we bounce it around, and it's not the
same thing over and over, especially if someone could be like,
I'm gonna sit this one out and sit the next
week out, in the next week out. So we like
to we like to change it up. But don't worry,
Dragon Ball fans, we are going to come back. We're
going to dive into the legacy of Goku. This was
just an intro. Yes, yes, stay nerdy, nerdy, stay nerdy,

(01:13:56):
Stay nerdy.

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