Part Two: The International Church of: Drink Bleach

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
We're back. I mean, no, that's not how I opened this.
That's fine. The Bastards podcast that I do Robert Evans
bad people talk about them normally I have a more
creative intro than that, but I sucked it up the
things and we're coming back from an ad break. But
it's the second part of our episode on the Church
of Drinking Bleach with Billy Wayne Davis, my guest. That's
also the dine with the sitcom. I just pitched to

(00:25):
the drink of the Church of Drinking Bleach. Oh, drinking Bleach,
Billy Drinking Bleach with Billy Wayne Davis. We're gonna pass.
We're a hard pass. Have you like HBO, like after
Game of Thrones into they're looking for a new epic series.
I really think Drinking Bleach with Billy Wayne Davis might
fill that g O T shaped hole in all of
our hearts of people die and there's more fucking than

(00:47):
you would think. Yeah, oh boy. Well, after my worst
intro of all time, I assumed Sophie's nodding her head
at that, Um, let's get let's get back into our tail.
So when we when we ended the last episode, we
had just introduced the fact that in this episode we

(01:09):
will be talking about Carrie Rivera. Now Rivera is someone
who I misspelled as a as Kelly Rivera in most
of this episode, but her share name is Carrie Rivera,
and she is the person who is responsible for spreading
the idea across the world that drinking bleach is a

(01:29):
cure for autism, which is okay. She's like the she's
the miss cabbage to Hubbard. Yeah. If if Jim Humble
is the l Ron Hubbard of drinking bleach, Carra Rivera
is the miscavage. Yeah, yet come in. She's like, I
look what you're doing. We're gonna make it bigger. We're
gonna make it bigger and worst. Well, it just more focused,

(01:53):
which might be a smarter move because you can really
sell anything to people who are and who are desperate
and believe that like a mom and her intuition are
better than a hundred doctors being like this is a
bad idea, which is which is a lot more powerful

(02:13):
than than the humans would like to admit. Yeah, it's
like the the idea that mothers have some sort of
like supernatural understanding of their children's health is like one
of the most dangerous things in the world and has
probably killed more children than sucking anything else. Yeah, yeah,
then we all care to think about or yes, yeah, yeah,

(02:35):
because everybody believes a version of it, like, um, it's
it's it's well, they do know their behavior better, absolutely,
and I think that bleeds into being like I just
understand them better. Now. You understand that how they behave
in their routines. You don't know how the inside of

(02:56):
their fucking body is working right now. And even then,
I think a lot of mothers like that's one of
the one of the reoccurring themes of mass shootings is
there's a lot of moms out there who really thought
they understood their kid and then did not understand their kid.
Uh yeah, which is like, in general, parents don't understand

(03:18):
their kids, and kids don't understand their parents, And the
only person who understands their kids, the only person who
understands teenagers period is the band Coldplay. Um I got it,
they nailed it. Yeah, they nailed it, Chris Martin. This
is playful. It's just playful. So what started as the
sacrament of a specific nutty church has spread across the

(03:41):
alternative health ecosystem and turned into a cure for autism.
According to a writeup on Care Rivera from the website
Science Based Medicine, Rivera started her work in something called
the autism BioMed movement. Now these are groups of parents,
mostly who are frustrated by medical sciences inability to cure
autism and have spoken and taken to a variety of
dangerous treatments in order to heal their children. In two

(04:04):
thousand twelve, Carrie spoke at the Autism One conference, which
is an annual anti vaccine symposium. She claimed to have
recovered and that's her word, thirty eight children from autism
in a single month, according to the website Science Based
Medicine quote. At the time, Rivera was running a clinic
in Puerto Varta, Mexico that she called Autism oh to

(04:24):
Clinica Hyperbarica. Unsurprisingly, the website is no longer there. Fortunately,
the almighty way back Machine at archive dot org provides
the now defunct material were interested in under protocols. So
in the slides uh that are still held by the
way back Machine, carry claims she learned about miracle mineral
solution while she was doing intense research in Google University,

(04:46):
which is a term that you will hear from parents
who self treat their children's serious medical issues with nonsense.
No no, no, no, no, no no no. That's like
that's the thing that they came up with, and yeah,
that's that's m hmm. They're very proud of it. I
can't this if I can say that with the strife,
I can't Google University. I can't say it. No. One

(05:11):
of my favorite memes that runs around in anti vaccine circles,
it's like you know that meme that like the the
idea is like how people think I look, or how
my friends think I look, how society thinks I look?
How I I really look? And it's like there's everything
from like burning Man, two Preppers to UH, the LGBT communities.
There's different variants of it. Um. The one that I've

(05:33):
seen for the UH, like anti vaccine autism mom community
is like how society thinks I look? Someone in a
tinfoil hat, how my friends think I look. And it's
like a crazy person ranting and then how I really look.
And it's like she's surrounded by books and print outs
of paper and like highlighting and stuff, and it's like, no,

(05:54):
you're just reading a hundred different crazy blocks like, yeah,
you're you're other medical research. Yeah, but they but they
think because they're spending a lot of time reading about it,
that counts as research. Um, which is you know, a
mistake I make all that. I mean, I don't make it.
I know I'm dumb, but there's a lot of people

(06:16):
who make that mistake of thinking I'm a serious researcher. Iannically,
I've been doing math my whole life, and I should
be if that's the that's what I should be an
expert at math. I'm not an expert at math. It's
that's that Malcolm Gladwell where you're like, no, I can't

(06:37):
duckle basketball and I've tried for ten thou hours. It's
what I've definitely walked for ten thousand hours. But I
have like friends who do, uh which McCall it that
a that a fucking magic walking around the city. I yes, yeah,
parkour parkour And it's like, I I can't do that
despite my ten thousand, you know, hours of walking around,

(06:59):
they spent less than ten thousand hours to do. In
part cour it matters what you spend the time doing
or what you're reading. Yeah, exactly exactly. Um, spending ten
thou hours googling autism and vaccines will not do you
as well as I don't know medical school, Like, yeah, uh,

(07:23):
there's a difference between these two things. Um. So, after
hours and hours of googling, Carrie Rivera decided that autism
was caused by pathogens. Um. That's the conclusion she came to,
which is a very common strain of thinking among like
sort of the anti vax community, that there's different diseases
that actually cause autism, and these diseases are stuck inside

(07:43):
of your vaccines. Some people think it's an accident that
the diseases are there. Some people are like, no, it's
a government conspiracy to make everybody autistic. But what's the
point of that? Yeah, who profits from the autism industrial complex?
Like that, it's a lot of it. Yeah, selfish moms

(08:05):
who are like, why did this happen to me? Yeah?
And the reality and it's also this misunderstanding where it's
like it seems like if you look at the numbers,
that autism has gotten way more common in the last
twenty years, and it's like, no, it's just that it
used to just be something where most of the kids
who had autism you would just call them bad kids,
and they get hit by their teachers and parents, and

(08:27):
eventually they would stop acting as if they were different,
although they would still be not neurotypical. Uh, And now
we understand that, No, it's a spectrum of different sort
of things, and they have different sort of you know,
like ways to respond to them and allow these people
to still function in communities and stuff like that. It's
not like, uh, it's not an epidemic. That's new. It's

(08:50):
just you used to just hit kids with autism and
now we've understand that it's a thing. They're not just
misbehaving to misbehave. And we're also I think mislabeling people
as you know, on the spectrum, Like my mom does that.
She's very anyone that's like pretty intelligent, She's like, you know,
I think he's on a spectrum a little bit. And
you're just like, he's just a very smart person that

(09:12):
doesn't like talking to dumb people. Yeah, he's Yeah, there's
there's there's definitely a trend to it where it's like, oh,
anybody who's antisocial is on the spectrum. It's like, no,
some people just don't like people. Yeah, it's like I
wish I could walk away like that. I don't think
he's autistic. I think he's just got more balls than most. Yeah,
he just respects his free time, he does. But I'm

(09:33):
jealous of that man. Yeah, okay, yeah, there's anyway. So
Carry Rivera became convinced that autism was caused by pathogens.
And of course, if autism is caused by pathogens, then MMS,
which we know from Jim Humble, is the ultimate treatment
for any kind of pathogen, must be the perfect cure
for autism. Carry wrote quote, MMS kills virus, bacteria, candida

(09:56):
neutralizes metals, and MMS passed this through the blood brain barrier.
What more do we need? How does she? How does
she know that? How does she know that Google University?
I forgot that she went to college. You forgot she
went to Google? Yeah? Yeah. Now, Kelly is a particularly
big fan of bleach cinemas. That is, her brand is

(10:20):
bleaching shooting bleach up your small child's asshole. Uh that's like, yeah,
that's her brand. Uh. She recommends ten to fifteen drops
of MMS and five million liters of water shot directly
up the colon and left to soak four between twelve
and thirty minutes. Nope, what's wait, what don't you like

(10:41):
about that, Billy? I mean I was with you until
it was like then you just let it soak. I
don't know why that was. That was my line right there,
but that's definitely a visceral line around. Like now that's
the point at which Billy is out. Yeah, I think
we could do some fun like yeah she did that.
They will clean some stuff out there. Now we're gonna
let it sit in there, and then you gotta let
that bleach really soak. You get to treat it the

(11:03):
way my mom treats, like clorox in the bathtub, in
with a bunch of towels and see what that does. Genes,
that's gonna be your assholes. So this treatment two to
three times a week is what Carrie believes will recover

(11:25):
children from their autism. Um. Now it breaks my heart
that I even need to say this, but just so
we're clear, bleaching your child's colon will not cure their autism.
There is no cure for autism. I'm not a doctor,
but I will go out on liamb You can't quote
me down that it's one of those things. If there
were some sort of magical cure for autism. The question

(11:48):
of whether that was even an okay thing to do
when all circumstances would be an incredibly complicated moral debate
that's way beyond the scope of this podcast. But what
was is within the scope of this podcast is to
say bleach will not cure autism. Like, I feel like
we're on solid moral ground stating that. One. I don't
think you'll cure your hemorrhoids either. Yeah, I don't think

(12:12):
it cures anything other than maybe wanting your asshole to
be a sparkling the color of sparkling white tile. Yeah. No,
not Yeah, he's like two brown. You're like, yeah, I
think you can get that done in Beverly Hills. No,
you can. But they don't put it all the way
up into your colon. They know better. I hope they

(12:32):
don't unlisten. Well, the extra out thing. I just want
to clean colon. Just let's get in there and clean
it out. Somebody to swim in there if they they, Yeah,
I wanted to be I want my colon to have
the same pH as a swimming pool because my my
foolboy won't get anywhere near my asshole, so I will

(12:53):
be clean down. Like you know, if Carrie Rivera was
just letting Beverly Hill moms have assholes that are fit
for their pool boys, I would not have a problem
with her. No, I would celebrate her. I would celebrate
her their passion. The dose and guidelines that I related
back then are just what Kerry advises parents to start with.

(13:16):
She's made most of her money selling one on one
counseling sessions with parents treating their children. In those sessions,
her main tactic is to constantly advise parents to up
their kids dose of miracle mineral solution. The author of
that science based Medicine article discussed one video in which
Rivera warns that all of this as bleach can cause diarrhea,
but that this is okay because it would just be

(13:37):
detox diarrhea, which is of course not a thingrhea. That's
the best guy in to diarrhea quote. She even likened
the reactions she expected to a Herkimer reaction, which is
sometimes seen after the initiation of antibacterials for tickboorn relapsing fever.
It was first described as a reaction to the treatment
of syphilis with penicillin, and is also seen after treatment

(13:59):
of other diseases caused spirochets, such as lyme disease and leptospirosis. Basically,
this reaction is due to the release of indotoxin like
products by micro organisms as they die off during antibiotic treatment.
Rivera also discussed what she referred to as the seventy
two to protocol, which involves giving MMS every two hours
for seventy two hours. She also recommended fever therapy and

(14:19):
argued that it's a good thing if that MMS can
cause fevers because it's waking up the immune system, which
realized that there's that there's quote autism in the house.
She also exulted how it didn't know and that Bleach,
it's like a dog for your asshole that lets it
know that there's autism at the door. She also exalted

(14:44):
about how she loves the enemas so much for autism.
I believe this part. I believe some parts. Yeah, she
definitely loves the animals. That that yeah. Now, I should
also note that Carrie Rivera is two twelve, but Bleach
Slide show ended with a deep pack chopra. Quote. Miracles
happen every day, not just in remote country villages or

(15:06):
at holy sites halfway around the globe, but here in
our own lives. So that's that's magical right now, bend
over and put this in your ass now. That science
based medicine article and Carrie Rivera included a link to
the blog of one of the mothers who administered Carrie's
treatment to her child. The blog is chilling reading. The boy, Jojo,

(15:30):
was eleven years old and had been diagnosed with autism
at age three. His mom decided to start experimenting with
autism BioMed treatment based on her mother's instinct that it
could help. Those were her words. Quote. Jojo has given
one ounce of the mixture hourly, so effectively he is
getting one eighth of a drop each time. His first
dose was given after school at one pm. He has

(15:51):
now given eight doses only, although my reading tells me
that that is a minimum. I suppose I could increase
up to nine to twelve doses a day, but I'm
kind of leery of the possible increa and die off
effects too. That's, of course, the fact that it kills
all of the bacteria in your gut and colon, which
is bad for Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're you need that
stuff now. By the first day of this bleached treatment,

(16:13):
Joejoe had started to run a low grade fever. The
fever and his cough got worse, and his mom decided
that this was due to parasites in his long dying
So that's that's cool. Uh. Later entries described Jojo getting
constipated and when that resolves, his mother thought that parasites
were coming out in his poop um. That theme continues

(16:35):
throughout the blog. Jojo develops diarrhea, flare ups of chronic eczema,
and a variety of other side effects, which were, of course,
just the normal effects of poisoning and eleven year old
with enormous doses of bleach water. Now, JoJo's very very
very very very profoundly dumb mother was at least smart
enough to realize that her child's worsening symptoms necessitated direct

(16:58):
intervention from a professional. Unfortunately, that professional was carry Rivera.
She texted, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. When she texted Rivera
about her son's constipation, Carry responded, do an enema, there
is probably a warm in his intestine, and give more
MMS doses orally if he is awake, more MMS now please,

(17:19):
I mean it's like a tempted murder is what that is, right, right,
This is attempted murder. Yeah, Like I'm just like, I
was like, where's the punch line here? And there's no
punchline other than these people are either very dumb, a
mixture of dumb and desperate, or trying to kill their kids. Yeah,

(17:42):
and I think it's usually just dumb and desperate. Um.
These tend to be. One of the real tragedies here
is that, you know, there's a there's a wide variety
of expressions of autism, and a lot of people with autism,
you know, are capable of communicating perfectly well, leading very
normal lives, having relationships and families and jobs and stuff.
But there's also a sizeable chunk of people who are

(18:04):
When I worked in special LED, the term we used
was low functioning. I don't know if that's the term
they still use, but these are In a lot of cases,
these kids are nonverbal, so they can't they can't communicate
with you in traditional senses. They can't use their words,
and so that's one of the tragedies here is that
these kids who are getting poisoned with bleach can't tell

(18:25):
anyone what's happening. They can't even tell their parents please
stop filling me with bleach um, which is like her, yeah, yeah, yeah,
it's horrible. You know what's not horrible, Billy Wayne Products
and Services. But what is horrible was that ad plug,
which was a I mean, Sophie. Sophie told me it

(18:47):
was time. But we were just talking about the tragedy,
like the I have no mouth, but I must scream
nightmare of being a child who has bleach forced on
him by his insane parent. I don't know how to
lead into it is products local news transition right there,
and and all the school children died, but coming up
next and sports who Sports? That's our show. Products, We're back.

(19:21):
Great products really wipes the taste of bleach out of
your mouth. Uh now, let's get back into talking about
this poor kid who is having bleached poured into every
orifice of his body by his insane mother. After days
of this bleach treatment, Jojo began passing stool that had strange,

(19:42):
stringy bits of goo in it that looked a little
bit to its mother like a worm. JoJo's mom posted
pictures in her MMS Facebook group, and all of the
other moms were pretty sure that this was like parasites
being passed through their chids colon. Now, the reality when
actual doctors look at this is that it was bits
of colon mucosa, which is the lining of the colon,

(20:04):
and these bits were slowing off as a result of
all the damage that all that bleach had done. Um
but carry rivera refer reinforced this mother's uh errant belief,
telling her that these were worm intestines and explaining that
the outer skin is already digested and the inside intestines,
etcetera disintegrates like this. So the mom continued to give

(20:26):
treatments for several months. Eventually she became concerned that the
worms did not seem to be extinct despite months of
bleach treatments. Carrie agreed that this was a problem and
prescribed a dose of mabenz adol, which is a drug
used to treat parasitic worms, which the child did not have.
So cool, Now, if you keep putting bleach in your kids,

(20:51):
but things that look kind of like worms but are
actually their intestines will continue coming out forever or untill
till the kid gets sick and dies. There needs part
of their colon removed. I mean, cool, awesome, you know,
I know, I know, all these doctors keep saying this
isn't real. But I'm gonna keep trusting that lady. I'm

(21:14):
gonna keep trusting this lady who I can just text
and she says more bleach y. Yeah, because that's how
all the other doctors seem to operate too. Yeah. Now,
the strength of this particular grift is the fact that
while drinking and shooting bleach up your butt is bad
for you, if it's fairly deluded, it probably won't kill you.

(21:34):
Certainly it won't kill healthy people. Adults can drink a
surprising amount of bleach without dying. Idiot friends. There There
have been two deaths associated with MMS, but for the
most part, it just causes intense discomfort. Um so Carrie
Rivera's autism parasite inema treatment nonsense has spread far and

(21:56):
wide over the years. In two thousand seventeen, and report
in the UK revealed that a Cheshire woman had been
reported to the police for talking in a secret Facebook
group about bleaching autism away. Emma Dalmain, an activist who
fights against this particular species of nonsense, had infiltrated that
face gript book group and reported the information to the police.
She said, quote, the most extreme case I have seen

(22:18):
to date is a six year old boy. You had
to have his bowel removed and a colostomy bag fitted
after his parents gave him these enemas. So that is
the worst case scenario. God, Yeah, yeah, I mean cool stuff.
I mean, and they'll also probably get the masals too, Yeah,

(22:39):
because they're not vaccinated. Because they're not vaccinated, and because
their immune system is taking a major hit from all
the bleach. Yeah, because it's like, hey, we're having to
fight this thing. We shouldn't have to fight every day
because well, I feel like we should just fight the mom,
but we're too tired to go after her. It's amazing

(23:02):
how many of the world's problems wouldn't exist if people
just weren't incredibly fucking stupid. Say, it's like everything else
the ego, because like when I go home and this
isn't a great that it's probably good. Examples, like anybody
when you go home, like there's like cousins and stuff

(23:23):
I'm around, when you hear their wives or their the
moms talk to the kids and they're like, what you're
saying is so wrong. I'm not going to correct it.
But it's about like, well, I don't know this, but
I might get up to you so and you don't
know no better and it just all like eats me
up every time. But I'm back there, like the information

(23:44):
you're giving is wrong because you're too lazy to even
look it up. You have all the information on your
phone in your pocket, like literally all of the information
humanity has ever acquired. You're picking a random blog from
a woman who says to shoot leach up your kid's
asshole over centuries of medical science. Yes, okay, Uh, it's uh.

(24:11):
And there's also an ego in like I think this
is often the parents who get involved in like the
craziest treatments are like they're they're doing better financially. Uh.
There may be people with a lot more of an
ego to them who take it personally that their kid
has this illness and see it as like, no, my
kids should be perfect. So number one, it clearly can't

(24:31):
just be that sometimes people get autism, and sometimes people
get types of autism that render them nonverbal. Um, and
that you know, I mean that they're not going to
be able to live a normal life. And that's just
a thing that happens. No, it can't be a thing
that happens to me because it means that I'm not
perfect because this is my kids, so it must mean
that someone's poisoning my child and I can fix it exactly. Yeah,

(24:53):
I think we're That's where a lot of it comes
from too. Yeah, that kind of like, well, I know
and right, but don't you don't though, do you. It's
one of those things. I um, it's given me a
lot of respect retroactively for some of the parents. I
knew when I was in special at one of the
kids that I worked with was extremely violent, to the
point where he would he had He broke numerous people's

(25:16):
bones and hospitalized several people. Um, and he was very large,
and his parents weren't into any woo bullshit or anything
like that. They were insistent on keeping the kid in
the home though, because a lot of people had advised
them to, like, you put the kid in a full
time sort of residential facility because he's dangerous. And this
kid's dad his mom got uh I think her like

(25:38):
jaw broken and then a month later his dad had
his arm broken. And they were still intent on keeping
this kid in the home because that's what you do
to your kid. You take care of them if they
if they need your help like this, And at the
time I thought they were crazy, and now I've come
around to believing, like, no, that's just somebody with a
really intense understanding of the responsibility that a parent should

(26:02):
have to their kid. The people who put bleach up
their child's asshole and refused to accept the reality of
their situation. That's crazy. Yes, you know, without a doubt, No,
it is. It's because it's like that old Chris rock
By about like you're just bragging about the things you're
supposed to be doing a good dad, blah blah blah.
He's like, no, you're just you're supposed to do those things.

(26:25):
That's the thing. Yeah, it is like a it's uh.
The non verbal thing is very fascinating. We have some
family friends who have a adult non verbal but they
learned that he can They give him a keyboard and
he can say things, and like, yeah, that's almost eighteen
or nine team I think before that happened, and I

(26:45):
just think about that moment when they learned that he
could communicate and he was listening, like I get chills
talking about because it is that thing of like, yeah,
if you're shoving bleach up his asses whole life, you
don't never have that fucking moment where it's like that
there's just something with his wires. He can't verbally communicate,
but he's very smart and very together, And that's what's

(27:06):
so evil about it to me. Instead of devoting the
time that a real loving parent would devote to trying
to figure out how to make your kid's life as
good as it can be and how to communicate with
them and work with them, you're just so obsessed with
quote unquote fixing them or recovering them, as is Carrie's language,
that you never for a second listen to them. It's

(27:28):
the same mental thing where it's like you think something's
wrong with your kid because they're gay. It's that exactly too.
I think religion has a little bit to do with
both of what we're talking about, and it's this there's
nothing inherently wrong about the idea of like, I'm sure
there's a lot of great mothers out there who feel
that their mother's intuition is very important and have been
right about a lot of things, but it's this idea

(27:48):
there's there I think I think where it gets dangerous
is when mother's intuition crosses the line into I don't
need to listen to anyone, including my kid, because I
know what's best for them. Yeah, that's what's gross to me.
Um Anyway. I found an NBC seven Chicago article about
Carrie Rivera from two fifteen. It interviews Dr Karen Radwan

(28:09):
of the University of Chicago. He expressed utter despair at
the number of parents who had reached out to him
to express a willingness to try any kind of treatment,
even insane, dangerous, and bleached based ones, to cure their child.
They will tell me, I know there is not much
evidence in this, but I still want to try it.
I know that sometimes people will close their eyes because
of their desperate, hopeless situations. Yeah. They also talked to

(28:31):
Carrie Rivera. She claimed that her own son, diagnosed with
autism at age three, was proof that her treatments work. Quote.
My son was immediately looking me in the eyes. He
was smiling at me. He was back almost as if
he had come back to his body. Autism is treatable,
it's avoidable, and I believe that it's curable as the
symptoms go away. That diagnosis fades as well. Carrie Rivera Yeah. Now,

(28:55):
The Guardian caught up with Carrie next. By that point,
she'd started to claim that her protocol had cured a
hundred and seventy children of autism. She said, the people
who criticized here for poisoning children with bleach were haters
and trolls. Quote. If in fact chlorine dioxide where this toxic,
poisonous bleach, there would be a sea of dead children.
How can this be bad if people are healing and
nobody's dying? Solid logic there, Yeah, as a colostomy bag.

(29:22):
I actually found a response carry pinned to her critics
after her book on bleaching Autism Away was removed from Amazon.
It included her directly addressing the criticism that her miracle
cure is just bleach. Quote. This is is like done
as a Q and a sort of thing. So here's
the queue. Chlorine dioxide is nothing more than an industrial bleach.
You might as well go to the store and buy

(29:42):
chlorox and drink. That carry responds, Yes, you are right
that chlorine dioxide is used in industry. In fact, so
with salt, water, vinegar, alcohol, hydrogen peroxide, and countless other
important chemicals. This is not mean it has no value
as a medicine or food. In fact, kumadin, where faring
is a common blood thinner, it is also a useful
as a rat poison. You don't just take warfare and

(30:04):
any old time you want that. It has a lot
of side effects. It's prescribed in specific situations and also
in a different formulation that you use as a rat poison. Oh,
you shouldn't just if you're you need some blood dinner,
you shouldn't just eat some rat poison. No, no, no,
In fact, do not do that. Okay, okay uh. Anyone
who thinks carry again. Anyone who thinks the c D

(30:27):
autism protocol it advocates pouring bleaching strength c D and
a child or adult isn't even closed having their facts straight.
That chlorine is a chemical constituent of c D is
a media spin master's dream come true for those who
have no knowledge of chemistry. I should point out that
plain table salt has chlorine as a key constituent. The
bleach you used to whiten your clothes is a very
different chemical sodium hypochlorite, and I actually suggest you never

(30:47):
drink it or you will have a problem. Any journalist
suggesting the household bleach is the same as chlorine dioxide
should be fired. I should note that one point of
the ABC report and MMS was to use it to
bleach clothing because it's bleach. Also, no one is saying
that chlorine dioxide is the same as household bleach. Everyone
I've seen reporting on it points out that it's industrial bleach. Jeez, Now,

(31:12):
what is her game? Is it just to get money?
I don't know. I suspect she really believes that it works.
And uh, you know, maybe some of it's that there's
a lot of moms out there whose kids are kind
of on the I guess you'd say, lighter end of
the autism spectrum and are able to communicate well enough
to realize that if they keep doing certain engaging in

(31:35):
certain behaviors that are like behaviors associated with autism, their
mom will keep force feeding them bleach. So they stopped
doing those things because they don't want bleaching them. And
then mom says, I cured my son, and it's like, no,
you tortured him into not acting a certain way, the
same way kids with Asperger syndrome used to get hit
by teachers until they acted quote unquote normal, like that's

(31:57):
what you're doing. Um, that would be my guess. Uh.
Or she's just lying about it all because it makes
her a lot of money. Totally possible to but the
insistence makes it seem more than just money, because there
is like an like like there is like I'm a
right right about this. Yeah, there's this this this righteousness

(32:18):
cloaking it That makes me think she believes some extent
of it, although with grifters it's always hard to tell,
because the key to being a successful grifter is to
never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever give up
on the grift or admit that you've ever been wrong.
And also if you're someone who believes that you're a
righteous healer, you'll of course never ever ever admit that

(32:38):
you've ever been wrong. Um So, because it was just
about the money, I think she would move on from
a lot of these people instead of just being like, no,
poured up in their asshole, you should do that. Like
that kind of stuff like that makes me believe like
on some level she's like this is I am right
about this? I'm i am right on this. Yeah. Now

(33:00):
an two fifteen, the Attorney General of Illinois went after
Carry for violating Section two of the Consumer Fraud Act.
She had to sign a certificate of voluntary compliance promising
to stop advocating for bleach based cures of autism. So
for a while, it looked like she was out of
the bleach prescribing game. Unfortunately, plenty of other people are
still in it. Uh into that's a nineteen NBC News

(33:22):
published an article about a group of moms who had
gone undercover in several Facebook groups that were still spreading
the gospel of bleaching autism away. The moms were motivated
by horrific posts from other dumber moms, like this one
posted about a two year old who was not taking
both to his bleach treatments. Quote, my son is constantly
making a gasping sound. He won't open his mouth, he screams, spits,

(33:44):
flips over again. This complete refusal to listen to your
child's signals. Like whether or not that two year old
is verbal in any way, shape or form. I would
say he's communicating. He's saying stop bleaching me said, I
think he's trying to tell you something right now, and
stop doing that. Don't do that to me. I don't

(34:06):
like and this is. This is why there's a charity
called Autism Speaks, and there's a number I'm not going
to get into the entirety of the reasons that a
lot of autistic people have issues with it um, but
one big issue they have, I think with Autism Speaks
and with a lot of different sort of autism based
charity organizations that aren't centered around actual autistic people, is

(34:29):
this focus on like ending autism um. Whereas a lot
of these people be like, that's kind of offensive. This
is just like a part of who I am, and
it's a thing that like makes my life different. But
I don't, like, it's kind of fucked up that you're
just focused on eradicating this thing rather than listening to
me and understanding me and people like me and helping
us exist in society like everyone else. Uh, Like disability

(34:55):
advocates people who are like advocate, Not that it's the
same thing, but like, you don't go to people with
like if you're if you're trying to help wheel people
with wheelchairs access more stores by putting in ramps, like
that's a good thing because you're listening to a problem
people have. You don't just go like, let's eradicate people
who don't know like that have who can't walk or whatever,

(35:17):
like you know, we can't walk in direct Yeah, that'd
be great, but it's not gonna happen. They did. They
gave us to me a chair that moves. Yeah, and
if you, if you put in this one thing, if
you listen to what we're saying, you can make our
lives easier. Like yeah, it's it's it's all part of
the same, like fucked up behavior. Um, it's just this
is the most toxic variant of that. And sort of

(35:39):
the people who are focused on eradicating autism are still
doing a toxic thing, but on a totally different sort
of end of the scale. Um. Yeah, anyway, I shouldn't
wait into that too much because I have not done
all my research on autism speaks or any of that,
but listeners should know there's like a very big debate
within sort of the community of of of autistic people

(36:03):
and advocates and whatnot over a lot of this stuff.
So like the toxic stuff that career of Era represents
is like again part of a spectrum of toxic behavior. Now, Billy,
you know, it's not part of a spectrum of toxic behavior.
I do have the products and services that support our show,

(36:24):
uh through their advertising dollars. I hope it's like for bleach. Yeah,
I hope it's just bleach. Bleach. You drink it, it's
it's for curing. It's for curing depressed by the state
of the world. In the Year of Our Lord twenty nineteen, bleach,

(36:45):
you won't be here as long. We would become billionaires
in a year. All right, uh, products, we're back. I
hope you enjoyed those ads for bleach code brand drinking bleach,

(37:06):
the only drinking bleach that also has a little hint
of lemon it a cree Yeah, what if we could
what if we could mix lacroix with with bleach. I
think we would print money. I think we mint this
bleach tastes like pomegranate and there's no calories. M hmm,
zero cal bleach is really like, that's the next level

(37:29):
of this grift. So uh yeah. I was talking about
an NBC News article from just like a couple of
weeks ago about a group of moms who went undercover
in several Facebook groups to try and like talk about
the fact that Facebook has essentially allowed the spread of
this very toxic set of behaviors that's poisoning children, and
these mothers were abusing their children. UM. NBC talked to

(37:52):
several of the moms doing this activism. They also reached
out to Carrie Rivera quote. Rivera declined to be interviewed
by NBC News, but an email she defended chlorine dioxide
and her credentials. This is a medical issue. I have
a degree and homeopathy and work with m d s
and PhD scientists, she wrote. Rivera did not respond to
request for more information about these doctors in the institution
that granted her degree, so that seems above board. UM. Now,

(38:18):
the article that I found also included solid data on
the human toll taken by this incredibly stupid treatment. It
noted that in the last five years, poison control centers
nationwide have dealt with sixteen thousand, five hundred and twenty
one cases of chlorine dioxide poisoning. Of those cases involved
children under twelve. Fifty of those cases were life threatening,

(38:38):
and eight people died. Now, we don't know how many
of those people were autistic, or how many of those
poisonings involved purposeful MMS ingestion rather than terrible accidents, but
they did review a separate FDA database that found the
case of a six year old autistic girl hospitalized with
liver failure from chlorine dioxide exposure in two thousand seventeen.
So it does seem to be opening. Um, so that's cool,

(39:02):
that's cool. I mean I would act like I'm shocked.
But there was a tide pod epidemic of people eating
that for a while, so it's like, yeah, I don't
even know how much of that was real and how
much of it was people Like nobody was taking tide
pods to cure their illnesses. No, that's true, but yeah,

(39:22):
that was to get sucked up, which is I understand
that as dumb as when my friends and I would
drink an entire pint glass of tequila to see how
much we could vomit. Um, Like, it was like, that's
dumb and it couldn't land you in the hospital, but
you know it's dumb when you do it. It's like
drinking a gallon of milk because you know you'll puke

(39:45):
at some point to see how far you can get.
You know you're poisoning yourself. That's the hope you're going
to vomit. Yeah, nobody's like, no, drinking a gallon of
milk will get rid of that fucking uh that tumor
on your arm or whatever. Well, that is just that's
totally different. Yeah, I guess you're right. But it's also
like the bleach thing is it's just so wrong, Like

(40:10):
it's so clearly like this is not like that's a
desperate It's just a weird to me. It's fascinating that
the human brain can do those mental gymnastics to be like, well,
this is probably work. Yeah, we are incredible animals. By incredible,
I mean incredibly dumb animals. Um and I hate us.

(40:34):
Uh now that too. That's a nine. NBC article also
included the horrible story of Jose Serrano, who was an
Indianapolis father who in two That's an eighteen called the
police several times to complain that his wife was forcing
their two year old to drink bleach as an autism cure.
The police called CPS, who removed the child from the
mother's home. Jose and his wife were separated for reasons

(40:56):
that I think are explained by the fact that his
mom was or his ex wife was forcing their child
to drink bleach um. Yeah, yeah, communication issues. Serrano twenty nine,
he was separated from his wife at the time, told
NBC News that she had been secretly dosing their daughter
in the bathroom to hide it from him and the
rest of her family, who all disapproved. She was just

(41:16):
frustrated with the autism, Serrano said. She learned about the
concoction and a Facebook group. According to the police report,
she wasn't listening to anybody, Serrano said. When we found out,
we told her, her brothers told her. I don't know
if she's still in her delusional world, but she's always
looking for the solution, which it seems like Jose's actually
got a pretty good line on what's going on in
these moms heads. Yeah yeah. Now, during this episode, I

(41:41):
have expressed a lot of frustration at busybody mothers who
poisoned their kids because they think they know better than doctors.
But it's worth noting that this whole problem has only
started to get better thanks to the equally dogged work
of a group of activist moms who were horrified about
all of the bleach poisonings. Uh Emma Dalmain is probably
the first of these activists. She's a London based mom
with allis um herself and with autistic children, so you

(42:02):
can see why the cause of stopping Charlatan's from selling
autism cures is rather personal for her. She started her
crusade by infiltrating Carrie Rivera's Facebook groups and making videos
about the parents she found poisoning kids in those places.
Her work led to a series of articles in The
Daily Mirror, which prompted Facebook to close several of Carrie
Rivera's pages quote, but administrators for the band groups, including Rivera,

(42:24):
simply created new private groups and more carefully vetted would
be members. The problem is you managed to get one
knocked down and it reopens the next day, but it
goes secret. Dalmaine said, So unless you've got a good
fake profile, which I have, and your friends with people
in these groups who will tell you where the next
secret group is opened, you can't report them. A lot
of them I'm not in and we'll never know about.

(42:45):
So this is the problem. It's this, it's it's an
adjacent problem to the issues of like Nazis on the
Internet and stuff like there's problem. Yeah, yeah, it's the
people who invented these things only cared about spreading them
as much as possible and never cared about, well, how
will they be used? Um, it's the gun industry in
a nutshell. Um, look at all these are fifteen we're selling.

(43:07):
Who's buying them? Look at how many we're selling. Who's
buying them? We're selling so many, so many many, A
lot of guys posting swastika flags and all their A
R fifties, so many sales. Yeah, it is that. I
just it's such a weird industry. I mean, I understand

(43:32):
it's predatory, but to be like the grift is going
after people that are in a desperate mode. Yes, that
this one, I don't think. I don't think Humble started
it like his was more like it was purely snake
oil because he was Yeah, because goddamn anything, fucking everything. Yeah,

(43:56):
and then this one she's like no. But that's why
I think there is some weird personal thing where she
thinks she's figured something out too. Yeah. I think she's
more likely to be a true believer than the Jim
Humble is. I think Jim Humble I just wanted head
as a man with a dream of making money by
selling bleach water. Um. Now you may have noted at

(44:21):
this point that it sure seems like Carrie Rivera is
not abiding by the promises she made to the Attorney
General of Illinois to stop selling bleach water as a treatment.
Somebody should really do something about that, maybe the Attorney
General of Illinois. I don't want to tell the guy
how to do his job, but it does seem like
an issue. Although since Kerry is apparently based in Mexico,
like all of these grifters eventually are, I don't know

(44:41):
how much the Attorney General of Mexico or of Illinois
could actually do. Now. Dalmains were inspired other activists, and
these activist moms gradually raised enough awareness that the big
companies whose platforms enabled all this horror were forced to
take more action. Amazon band Carrie Rivera's book from their platform. Finally,
in March of two, two thousand and nineteen, Rivera complained

(45:02):
that this d platform ing would quote decreased public awareness
of her message, and that Amazon was responding to media
generated hysteria. Shortly after that, YouTube begetting purge of some
of Rivera's videos, removing several that directly encouraged the chlorine treatment.
YouTube told NBC that the videos had been removed for
violating their standards against encouraging activities that quote have an

(45:23):
inherent risk of physical harm. That's most YouTube videos. Yeah,
that is most YouTube videos. It's kind of the whole
service at this point. Yeah, because you watch this is
gonna get something hurt or something's gonna get hurt. Yeah,
I mean that's part of YouTube's charm. I love watching
ski fails and based jumping fails. Um. Yeah, but yeah

(45:44):
that that seems less harmful than this. Well that's that's
a choice. It's like UFC, I don't mind that. Yeah. Yeah,
he chose that, yeah, to be in that situation, friend. Um. Now.
Yahoo came next, canceling Carrie Rivera's mail account after an
activist named Eaton email the company to let them know
Carry was using the account to push poison on desperate mothers.

(46:06):
True to form, Facebook was the very last big company
to do the right thing that deleted Carry Rivera's public profile.
Rivera responded, Facebook wants to destroy our autism self help community.
Now thirty one families that came to this page for advice,
questions and solas have an essence been kicked off Facebook.
That's not entirely true. See Carry evera still has a

(46:27):
personal Facebook page, as well as professional pages for her
line of diet supplements. She's into the keyto thing. Uh so,
I'm gonna guess those are only marginally less toxic than
her bleached drinks. So Facebook didn't d platform her. They
just said we're not going to platform your bleach drinking business.
She also still has a YouTube account and regularly shows

(46:48):
up in videos on other people's channels advocating chlorine treatment.
I found her in one video that was published this March,
titled Healing from the Spectrum. It currently has more than views.
The video is a window into a very particular chunk
of the internet crazy people ecosystem. I wanted you to
take a look, Billy, at what is actually displayed on
the screen while Carrie talks in this video, because it's

(47:12):
something else. Why don't you, why don't you try to
describe what you're seeing to our readers there listeners, not readers.
People don't read podcasts. I mean it is on the left.
It looks like four books from that you would see
from like it looks like an Alex Jones documentary cover.

(47:34):
But they're like Sacred Word Publishing bookstore for truth seekers. Yes, yes, so,
I mean, I was very right about that. It just
I mean, there's the there's always there's an all seeing
eye on every book cover with the triangle, and then
their skulls and secrets, and it's just a lot of
a lot of that's that conspiracy symbolism is all over

(47:57):
the books. And then right it's mercury poisoning and autism.
It isn't a coincidence. And there's just a cute little
blondhead boy that looked like it could be my son.
And then it says, Okay, I'm gonna read. Can you
let me read these out loud? We could just sum
it up. There's like, on the left its symptoms of
autism and children, on the right symptoms of mercury poisoning

(48:18):
and children. And they're the same. Yeah, oh my god,
Well that proves it. Yeah, I I believe that the
same people who are trying to sell me a copy
of the fantastic book Secret Instructions of the Jesuits, uh
know about mercury poisoning. Uh. Now during this interview, carry

(48:43):
plugs both her Keto diet plan and her website about
curing autism. I visited the website. The first thing you
see is a rip off of the Google logo, but
in the name of her site, which is c D
autism followed by the subheading autism Avoidable, treatable, curable. If
you're wondering what se autism stands for and stands for
chlorine dioxide. Um. So, while YouTube has kind of removed

(49:07):
some of her videos, she's still allowed to talk to
audiences of thousands of people about chlorine dioxide as long
as she does it on other videos and doesn't put
chlorine dioxide in the title because algorithms are super good
at stopping the spread of toxic behavior. Now on her website,
Carrie now claims to have recovered five hundred and fifty
seven children from autism. Her website includes a link to

(49:29):
her speech at the two thousand nineteen Autism One conference.
So that's fantastic, uh. In the speech, she brags about
a video interview she gave recently that was viewed more
than two hundred thousand times on YouTube. Much of her
speech seems to be her complaining Laura lumer like about
the fact that she has been heavily d platform from
social media. She includes a quote from Vlock of hovel

(49:50):
a Czechoslovakian politician and dissident. You do not become a
dissident just because you decide one day to take up
this most unusual career. You were thrown into it by
your personal sense of response ability combined with a complex
set of external circumstances. You were cast out of the
existing structures and placed in a position of conflict with them.
It begins as an attempt to do your work well
and ends with being branded an enemy of society. No. No,

(50:14):
you have to be in those institutions to be thrown
out of to begin with that. Yeah, you have to
be doing the work the correct way for them to
be like. No, that's you're creating your own martyrdom when
you weren't even in the fucking thing. It's that bullshit. Yeah.

(50:34):
And for a little bit of reference about who luck
Love Hovel was, who she's quoting, because he's he was
an actual dissident. He was a direct democracy advocate, a humanitarian,
an early environmentalist, and a fierce opponent of the USSR
who invaded his country in the nineteen sixties. He was
arrested multiple times. He spent four brutal years in a
Soviet prison for his work, which was mostly like writing

(50:57):
plays and speaking on the radio. Carrie Rivera, on the
other hand, got partly kicked off of several social media
sites because they're bleaching them as boys and children. One
of these people gets to call themselves a dissident, the
other does not. I think they do. You know what
they do understand the power of language and certain buzzwords,

(51:18):
because that's a powerful word. Dissident. Yes, yeah, it's It's
sort of like how guys like um, Christopher Cantwell, the
crying Nazi from the Vice Charlottesville documentary, has tried to
rebrand neo Nazism as the dissident right, um, because it
makes it sound like there's some something righteous about it,

(51:38):
rather than like, no, nobody, it's you're not dissidents. Nobody
wants you around because you're fucking Nazis. Yes, yeah, you're
not a dissident, Carey Rivera. Nobody wants you around because
you're bleaching children to death. Like, yeah, you're not calling
out some wrong and we're cause of being squatted away.
You're just being like high stuff. Nate should be more wrong,

(52:01):
and people are like no, no, when you're like you
guys are preventing yeah, you're holding me back from doing
my wrong. It's one of my real fucking pet peeves
is when shitty people use quotes by like her actual
heroes to like try and draw a connection between the two.
Like from everything I could tell if luck love Hovel
was like pretty righteous dude, really put his ass on

(52:25):
the line for the things he believed in and standing
up against a tyrannical regime that was like driving tanks
over people. Uh, like fucking Carrie Rivera, like I hate
you so much, Like just like, it's just proof you
can't pick your fans. Yeah, you can't pick your fans
as true and stand up as it is. Oh yeah,

(52:48):
Jesus Christ is medicine. Yeah, proof you can't pick your
fans either. You think he'd be like, whoa, whoa, you
guys are taking a lot of what I did out
of context. It would be funny if he came back
and was like, know, the only people who got it
right are the ones selling bleach water. Every everyone else
is wrong. I would just start smoking cigarettes and be like, huh, well,

(53:10):
I kind of like him now, kind of as a
man with a plan. Kind of funny. It's kind of
funny now I was turning water into bleach water, not wine.
That's a translation error. The guy that wrote that was
a drunk, you guys. So I think that's most of
what I have to say about Carrie Rivera. We are

(53:30):
not done talking about miracle mineral solution quite yet, because,
for some reason known only to the dark gods of chaos,
no good grift ever truly dies. In the wake of
that NBC article, a number of major mm S adherents
were spurred to action in order to protect their right
to drink bleach and also shoot bleach up the butts
of their children. I think many of Now I will

(53:52):
say this you, I think every human should have the
right to drink as much bleach as they want. Where
you lose right, you can't put it in children's butts,
or make that exactly exactly. You yourself can drink as
much bleach as you want. I will. I will fight
for your right to drink bleach on your own time. Um,

(54:15):
but not you're not your kid ye. Now. Uh. Many
of these people who got angry at NBC for attacking
the bleach drinking, the bleach drinking community, it's the thing
we have in many of these people just so happened

(54:35):
to be prominent and active members of the q and
On community. Yeah that's there, we go, Yes, yeah, of
course we were going to get there. Oh yeah, it's
fucking beautiful. Jordan's Sator, who brands himself on Twitter as

(54:57):
a truth warrior and spiritual gangster with more than ninety
thousand followers, posted this on May One. YouTube removed my
video on MMS three weeks ago, which was the most
popular truthful video on YouTube about it. Now, the media
is ramping out up their dis info propaganda against MMS
since their truth and certain lies. That's how they've always

(55:19):
done it now in their spots. To this tweet, another
q and On fan named Keck Jackson replied, I'm actually
drinking MMS right now for stupp and guess what it's working.
Fuck you Big Pharma and your fake news BS. That's

(55:41):
fuck you. You didn't stop me. And you know what,
I'm actually fine with all of this, Like like these
people like it, Well, i'd be fine with it if
I didn't suspect most of them had kids that they
were also feeding bleached to. But like this Keck Jackson
sitting alone in his laptop and drinking bleach, fine, with it. Yeah,

(56:01):
I am that makes me happy on some laft where
you're just like, well this is good. Yeah, Now Jordan's
say they're shot back to that tweet with the response quote,
I've drank m M S A k A chlorine dioxide,
brushed my teeth with it, breathed it, cleaned with it,
used it topically. If MMS was a toxic bleach, I
should be dead. Sorry f d A in fake news media,

(56:23):
you lose this one. So it looks like the bleach
drinking subculture still has quite a bit of gas left
in the tank. It's hard to believe that if you,
if you will, if you're susceptible to drinking bleach, that
it's also hard to convince you that it's not good
for you, you know what I mean. Yeah, you'd be

(56:44):
probably shot stubborn if you're like, no bleach is good,
No bleach is gonna heal me. Yeah, you're just like
puk and blood and you're like, that's the it's the process.
Fucking worms coming out of me. No one your eyes
passed out, It's part of it. It's part of the process.
Oh boy, fuck you, I'm gonna keep drinking bleach. Fucking

(57:13):
amazing people are such remarkable creatures. Well, it's like the
lady that died drinking water on the radio. But at
least she was trying to win a game cube, Like,
at least that makes sense to a degree, Like she
wanted a free game cube and didn't think water would
kill her. That is I mean, that is a good

(57:33):
point where you're like, it's water, right, Well, it does
kill people a lot, and she would have won a
free game cube there, there was more. She had more
to gain than anyone drinking bleach, and she actually died.

(57:55):
The rest of them Like I drink bleach all the time.
I'm fine, mm hmm, well drink more of it. It
does lead me to believe that if we started offering
a free Xbox for the people who could drink the
most bleach, we might get rid of a lot of
our worst voters. Like, oh my god, like that that

(58:16):
that could work, or like a free show on Fox News,
Like you get your own show if you drink the
most bleach, You get your own Fox News show if
you can drink the most bleach, And like we took
care of a lot of nonsense today. If we wanted
to like provide our own equally evil response to like

(58:36):
far right voter suppression efforts and a lot of the
South like that's how we could do it. Free haircuts
and bleach, free haircuts and bleach. Oh Jesus, all right, well, Billy,
that's that's my whole script about the bleach drinking church
and bleach drinking subculture. I will say this about both

(58:58):
the episodes. I've been oder all four, I guess, but
the two stories is it's like pop music where I'll
never be I'll never write a good pop song because
I have too much faith in humanity to write a
you know what I mean, Like I'm always like this,
no one would ever like this nonsense, And then you
hear a pop song and people like this is good
and it always says just nonsense. But like this is

(59:21):
the same thing where it was like I would never
think that human beings would this would be something I
could sell them. Yeah, And that's there's an element of
respect that you have to have for Jim Humble for
just being the guy who was like, what can I
claim as medicine so that I can make money selling

(59:41):
people fucking bleach? Like like essential oils is an easy
con Like just like everyone likes the way they smell,
like people like nice sense. That's why incense has been
a popular industry for fucking twenty years. Like this we
know of about it is it's bad. Yeah, it's bleach

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is bad for human that's the one thing we know
about it. And he's like, I think I can sell
this to I think I could get people drink at
this ship. And he was fucking right, And you know
what it is that Yes, the jiming is what bothers me.
Is the woman that came on, let's get it to kids.

(01:00:26):
I know it was a fun thing until then. I
was really enjoying this subculture. Until you brought defenseless children
into it. They can't come on. Of course they'll drink it.
They have to come on, Yeah, they have to. You
ruined the fun thing that Jim was. Ruined the fun thing.
You ruined bleach drinking for all of us, Carrie RIVERA

(01:00:48):
god damn you. Jim Humble was just a decent, billion
year old god navy man who wanted to teach people
the wonders of bleach drinking because he got zapped with knowledge,
because he it's the apped with electric knowledge by aliens.
Although he says in the video that he thinks they
were actually trying to hinder him from his discovery of
a miracle mineral solution. I mean, he's got a lot

(01:01:11):
of stuff going on. It's just there's a big old
war going on at Jim Humble's mind. Yes, there's something
going on in there in both sides are in on it. Yeah. Uh,
Billy Wayne want to yes, Uh. You can buy my

(01:01:31):
album at Third Records dot com, the store dot com
and then BWD tour for all my dates upcoming. I'm
going to Providence, Rhode Island, Zany's in Nashville, a couple
other places just looking up. And then Billy Wayne Davis
on All the Specials, Billy Wayne Davis on all the
Socials by his album, It will Cure your crones disease.

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Know what it will do is if you've been drinking bleach,
it will heal you from from the bleach drinking. That's
a good idea, but it won't if you put in
your body, it won't do anything for that just a
world No, yeah, yeah it will. It will. It will
cause you horrible intestinal distress, much like drinking bleach. Um,
if you eat it, don't eat albums. Don't eat bleach,

(01:02:18):
but you know what you can eat? Uh. If you
go to behind the Bastards dot com, find the sources
for this episode, print them out and eat that. Cellulose
contains valuable digestifibers. Carbon. Everyone needs carbon, Everyone needs carbon.
So you can also go to Twitter and find me

(01:02:41):
at I right, okay, and print out my tweets and
eat them. Same benefits. Uh. You can print out tweets
and Instagram pages from at bastards pod. Uh. You can
also buy shirts from te Public as well as you know,
cups and stuff, all of which you can eat and
gay unspecified medical benefits from. So and you can find

(01:03:03):
the go fund me where you can send Robert and
I to Haiti so we will become reverend doctors. You're
you're right. You can find the go fund Me Reverend
doctor account, so that so that we could become Reverend
doctor Billy Wayne Davis and Reverend doctor Robert Evans. Got
a ring. It's got a fucking ring to it. Yeah, yeah, alright, Sophie,

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have I forgotten anything? No? She says, no, Have I
remembered anything? He said, yes, fantastic. That's the end of
the episode. Fucking turn off your headphones and go huggy Cat.