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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Michael Cohen, Well, he's cooked, serve him up on a
platter to the Trump organization. After being forced to admit
under oath, Yeah, I stole like tens of thousands of dollars,
at least that he's admitting to right now. I think
there's probably a pretty good chance he may have stolen
more money. They just didn't know exactly which asked which
question to ask him about other payments. But he did
(00:22):
have to admit under oath that he stole tens of
thousands of dollars from the Trump organization. This is the
same witness that they are telling you the jury. You
gotta trust him. The entire case is around Michael Cohen.
How did it happen? Take a listen to this from
the transcript from the courtroom.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Finch and Cohen confirms that he owed Redfinch fifty grand
and never paid the full cash. Trump's attorney Bland says,
you stole from the Trump organization. Cohen says, yes, sir.
He also confirms lying to Allan Iselberg. I don't know
how many of that is on the list, but that's
(01:04):
another prevarication. And Cohen says he never pleaded guilty to
larceny on they go. Blanche presses Cohen, you did steal
from the Trump organization based upon the expected reimbursement of Redfinch,
and he says, yes, sir.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
So that's yes, sir. There it is Steve Michael Cohen here.
Did you steal from the Trump organization?
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Asked again, you did steal from the Trump organization, correct, Cohen?
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Yes, sir.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
So this is just the beginning of what we now
know about what he stole. Now, let's put this into perspective,
so you understand what Michael Cohen just admitted to stealing
money and bezzling money.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
From the Trump organization where he worked.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Is actually, you ready for this a more serious crime
than falsifying business records, which is what this woke activists
DA is accusing Donald Trump of actually doing. Now, the
question is will they go after Michael Cohen. I'm sure
in New York they're gonna say no, no, We're not gonna
(02:12):
go after him.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
He's one of ours.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
He's one of ours, and this disaster turns into the
prosecution resting their case. CNN senior legal analysts set on
Monday on their coverage on CNN that the former president
Donald Trump's business record trial. The witness Michael Coen admitting
he stole money for the Trump organization is a more
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to Cohen here, So he lies and the media is
having to deal with this, right like, this is a
(05:06):
pretty darn big lie. And I want you to hear
what CNN says about Michael Cohen stealing from the Trump organization.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
Not a lawyer, just a common guy, just a humble
cave man. But it seems like it seems like they
should have hit this harder a week ago.
Speaker 5 (05:23):
Oh absolutely, And the point you just made about yourself,
that's what the jury is except for two lawyers. Jurors
don't know this stuff and so they need to have it,
you know, really presented to them. And so the fact
that it was minimized in that way by the prosecution,
I think it presents a very good opportunity and closing
(05:44):
for they knew about this, they minimized it the prosecutor
misled this jury.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
That's what I would are.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Are you allowed to say that, yes, sir, oh yeah.
Speaker 6 (05:53):
The way this was raised and addressed on direct is
what Julia Louis Dreyfus would call YadA, YadA, YadA. I mean,
here's what Michael hell and here's what Michael Cohen.
Speaker 7 (06:01):
Said, explained George Costanzo.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
No, no, no, it was a lane. It was it
was to it.
Speaker 6 (06:08):
Here's the direct testimony that the way Michael Cohen explained
what happened, it's actually.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
A girl that Stanza was dating.
Speaker 6 (06:16):
Michael Cohen explained this whole thing. Quote, that's what was owed.
And I didn't feel mister Trump deserved the difference. That's
a lot different than I stole sixty thousand dollars from
my boss on the transaction at the heart of this case.
And by the way, the fact that he was ever
charged with larsening is important because stealing sixty thousand dollars
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through fraud, which would be larceny in New York State,
is more serious of a crime than falsifying business.
Speaker 7 (06:42):
This is one of those instances where I'm really looking
forward to talking to our reporter, our reporters who are
in there to see I understand, and I take your point,
Laura about all of you really about playing to the jury,
but also being careful about reading too much into the
reaction of the jury. I think the answer to your
question about whether or not they really did absorb what
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the prosecution said last week or two weeks ago will
be has to be noted by their reaction today in
some way, shape or form, don't you think.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
By the way, I love this, I love how they're like, oh,
let's laugh about Seinfeld and talk about that for a second.
Would they have ever done that if this was switched
the other way around, that a Republican lied on the stand,
they'd be going wall to wall massive and they're like, oh, crap,
our favorite guy who we've given countless hours of airtime to,
Michael Cohen, just admitted to stealing from the Trump organization.
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And then you have a CNN analyst that says this
is more serious of a crime than what they're accusing
Donald Trump of. It's grand largnity basically, and then saying
this is like major, go to jail stuff. And yet
they didn't charge Michael Cohen with it, and they knew
it right, They knew it, So how do you kind of,
you know, soften this for the viewers that hate Trump.
(08:00):
CNN you talk about YadA YadA, YadA, and this is
like some sort of Seinfeld episode and you all laugh
about it.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
You take all that away.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
And what CNN said was the defense scored a stunning
revelation that Michael Cohen stole money from the Trump organization
and was not charged with that crime. That's the other
part about this that you need to understand. And I
want you to hear what Trey Gowdy had to say
over at Fox. He's in the courtroom, he's actually in there.
He came out to do this interview on Fox. He's
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one of the hosts there now former congressmen. And listen
to what he said about the jury.
Speaker 8 (08:38):
And I thought his lawyers quite candidly. They got Coen
to admit that he lied, that he had a motive
to lie, that he would continue to lie in the future,
and then they moved on. They spent most of their
time on pretty esoteric things that I think, in the
final analysis, aren't going to move the jury. So juries
that's what I'll watch. It's the only doll opinions that matter.
(09:01):
They seemed a little bit I don't want to say disinteresting,
because they weren't, but they seemed to be doing this
with their hands, Like, come on and get to the
good stuff. What we care about is if you can
show us that Cohen still is motivated by a desire
to hurt Donald Trump, we're interested. But if you're going
back to a conversation that may or may not be
(09:23):
relevant from four years ago, move on. I just kind
of mentally saw them doing this a little bit.
Speaker 9 (09:28):
So, Trey, if you go back to the original indictment,
the language says with intent to defraud and intent to
commit another crime, but it never articulates what the quote
another crime is. You spend a lot of time in
a courtman as a federal prosecutor. Did you ever take
somebody to court when the defense didn't know what crime
that person was committed with.
Speaker 8 (09:52):
I would never have taken this matter to court in
the first place. I don't think, I mean defense passed
on it. Keep that in mind. I mean the Fed
right down the street in the southern disc of New
York took a pass on this. So this is a
political motivation, but the jury's not going to hear that.
So the defense team still needs to treat this like
it like it is a prosecution that exposes the former president,
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and they need to treat it like that. There is
a political component to it, for sure, but for these twelve,
if he wants a not guilty verdict, you got to
kind of put that aside.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Trey Gouty makes an interesting point there. Michael Cohen is
actually telling the truth about all of his lies. That's rare,
and the only people they need to make sure I
understand this as he described it, and he's absolutely right,
is the twelve people in the box, and it needs
to be exploited to make it clear to them that, hey,
this guy still has a motivation to lie about Donald
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Trump and in fact has made millions of dollars off
of it, which he admitted to today. You look at what
Trey Gowdy said also about this case, and one of
the things he said about this jury is he said,
is the jury is going to.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Be looking at Michael Cohen.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
They've got to ask themselves a question, can I trust him?
They also found out that he's made over four million
dollars trashing Donald Trump on social media, TikTok payments, books,
et cetera. So hating Trump has made Michael Cohen over
four million dollars that obviously has to be brought up
as well. But listen to the second part of what
(11:30):
he said.
Speaker 9 (11:30):
Just so folks at home get this correct. This is
the way it unfolded. This morning, Tray Cohen testifies on
repayment to a high tech company, Redfinch, for fifty thousand dollars.
Cohen says he repaid Redfinch twenty k. Cohen confirms he
never paid Redfinch the full fifty thousand. Todd Blanche produces
that Cohen stole from the Trump organization. Cohen agrees that
he stole from the Trump organization. Cohen says he left
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the Trump organization believing that he had paid back the
fifty thousand dollars to Redfinch. When Trump Organization grows up
coins compensation, he pocketed that money too. Cohen admits to
essentially stealing sixty thousand dollars from the Trump organization. So
he lied to his client, He secretly recorded his client,
and then this morning he admitted that he stole from
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his client. What was it like being there watching all
of this unfold?
Speaker 8 (12:23):
That wasn't even the most surprising part of the morning.
I mean, yes, it is rare to have a witness
admit yeah, I stole money from one of my clients.
The most amazing part to me is that Michael Cohen
just spent three hours asking a jury please believe me
when I'm telling you about all my lives. That is
not a good strategy for a witness that wants to
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be believed to say, yes, I lied about this, and
I have a financial motive in lying, and I want
to run for Congress. Don't forget about that. He admitted
this morning he wants to run for Congress. He wants
someone to do a documentary on him. But all of
those lives you should just regard because this one time,
this one time, even though I have sworn to get
revenge and it's better cold and hot, please believe me.
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I just would not want to be the prosecutor having
to convince a jury of that. Having said that, the
other big observation this morning is this judge is seemingly
cutting the alegs out from under the trunk defense. If
they're planning on calling an expert to go into what
is involved with efforts to influence an election, the judge said,
(13:30):
I'm not going to let that happen. I don't mind
a high strike zone. I don't mind a low strike zone,
just being uniform. And I can tell you I went
I came this morning saying, never seen this judge before.
I'll keep an open mind. The reality is the prosecution's
getting every jump ball and the defense ain't getting any
of them.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
I love the way he described it, so Cohen Liede
he took a bunch of money. And not only did
he take a bunch of money, he's now saying he
wants to run for Congress and he wants somebody to
do a documentary and he and he's made over four
million dollars trashing Donald Trump so far, and then is
caught stealing, which is a bigger crime than what they've
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accused Donald Trump of doing in this trial, but no
one's prosecuting him for that, which goes back to CNN.
They're still reeling right like they can only talk about
Seinfeld for so long before they have to tell you
the truth yet again, that this is such a disaster.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Listen to Jake Tapper.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Stuff, and I have to say, I'm still kind of
reeling from the revelation that Michael Cohen stole money from
the Trump organization, and that wasn't, at least to my knowledge,
that the prosecution didn't get that get that out earlier,
because it's not as though the prosecution is going to
be helped by further evidence that Michael Cohen is a
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shady character. I mean, let's I'll get to the newest
stuff in a second, but like, i mean, what's just
what's your reaction to that news?
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Because that was just kind of stunning.
Speaker 10 (15:01):
I'm shocked that we are hearing it for the first
time on day three of cross examination of Michael Cohen,
that the prosecution did not take the sting out, did
not front it, because it goes to the heart of
the actual case. It's not just about establishing him as
a liar. They've done that. The prosecution fronted that. We
knew that he has convictions, but going to the heart
of what you were telling your employer about what money
(15:23):
you were owed and the extent of it. We're talking
about four hundred and twenty thousand dollars. We've already seen
the paper started like fifteen bucks, not afteen bux and
we I mean, if you think are the tablet you
can break down what was already known. We've known about
what the breakdown of the money is. One hundred and
thirty thousand dollars to Daniels and her attorney.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
You got fifty thousand dollars.
Speaker 10 (15:41):
It's Redfinch.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
This is important here.
Speaker 10 (15:43):
This was mentioned today that he only gave Redfinch twenty
thousand dollars and handed.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Them in a brown paper bag.
Speaker 10 (15:50):
By the way, just the game, that is, And just
one quick note.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
Redfinch is this political organization that apparently, according to Michael Cohen,
helped them goose these bogus internet polls about which candidate
is in the lead, et cetera, et cetera, and also,
according to Landy Davis, provided adoring fans for Trump's announcement
of his candidacy in June twenty fifteenth.
Speaker 10 (16:15):
Sorry, really important point to add. Why this is they
only got twenty thousand of it, talking though the bill
was for fifty thousand dollars, and you have one hundred
and eighty thousand dollars, which is again the double of
these two combinations.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
And then a bonus for Cohen.
Speaker 10 (16:27):
Remember all that we have so far to link Donald
Trump to these payments, in part is the statement that
quote unquote he approved it. We also know we have
information about where the checks were, how it was signed.
But remember mcconnie, that was one of the comptrollers of
the Trump organization taking notes from Alan Weiselberg about the
money payment. So this is part of what we're talking about.
(16:50):
Why this is so important here is because the heart
of the matter is that Donald Trump was complicit cause
to have this happen and knew about the money that
was going and why if they can establish Michael Callway
to somebody who is not to be trusted about the
amount of money as well, then they might be able
to suggest that Donald Trump had no idea what he
was saying.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
So I love it.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
They're like having to admit, okay, So there's a good
chance now that the jury may actually be convinced that
Donald Trump had no idea what this scumbag lawyer was doing,
including a guy that was stealing from his boss while
he's claiming, you gotta believe me now, and that's in
the only ones having a meltdown. By the way, on CNN,
take a listen to this. This is what Flitzerer having
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a conversation about this shock moment.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Here's what they said on his show.
Speaker 11 (17:38):
Truly amazing stuff that's going on right now. So I'm
truly studying moments in the courtroom to be sure. Earlier today,
Cohen admitting to stashing tens of thousands of dollars from
Trump back in twenty sixteen that was intended to go
to a technology company. Trump attorney Todd Blanche asking him
directly and I'm quoting now, so you stole from the
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Trump War organization, Cohen replying, quote, yes, sir.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Can you imagine CNN right now, like they're like, holy crap, right, like,
we got to cover this. This is the same left
wing media, by the way, that gave all the credit
billion in the world to Michael Cohen, a guy they
put on TV twenty four to seven as soon as
he started trashing Donald Trump, who is a felon and
a liar. And now they're shocked that this felon and
(18:26):
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have handed him over four million dollars in profits of
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Now former Assistant DA Eric Hirshman saying this on Fox
News Channel about what just happened.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Take a listen.
Speaker 12 (20:46):
It's hard to understand how the judge is not going
to grant a directed verdict since there's no evidence that
links President Trump to any record keeping whatsoever. I just
don't understand it, and I don't think all of my
colleague and all the people that I worked with in
the DA's office have all said to me, Eric, go
out and talk about this.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
You have the experience to address it.
Speaker 12 (21:08):
And they're actually all unanimously, whether they like President Trump
or never trumpers have said they're embarrassed by the DA's
office bringing this type of case and is destroyed the
integrity of my old office.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
It has destroyed the integrity of my old office. The
never Trumper just said they're embarrassed. It's destroying the integrity
of my old office. Is a former assistant DA in
this office that brought this case saying we are embarrassed
by it, as they should be embarrassed by it. But
they're gonna let them get away with this because there
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will be nothing that happens to Michael Cohen.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
He stole from the Trump organization.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
And you can see it again go back to what
Jake Tapper said, and Jake Tapper had no problem having
Michael Cohen on's show. This is the reason why I
can't stand Jake Tapper. He is such a fraud when
it comes to like and he always walks around like, oh,
I'm a journalist, like I have integrity.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Dude.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
You put all the people on your show for years
that were accusing Donald Trump Russian collusion that we're lying
and you never apologize your audience. You never said you
regret it. You never said, hey, we misled you or
lie to you. You guy gave them a platform, and
then when it comes out it's not true, you're like,
all right, move on. You gave airtime to Michael Cohen,
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Your network made Michael Cohen famous, and now all of
a sudden that it comes out that the guy is
a convicted liar and fraud and then he was defrauding
the Trump organization. I'm still reeling from this, like what
you couldn't see it coming? Like, seriously, you couldn't figure
this out that a guy that lie lied under before
and went to jail for lying may have lied about
(22:51):
other things on your show where you guys were propping
him up.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
And look, they didn't care.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
The reason why they didn't care was real simple, Okay,
they didn't care because they wanted it to be true
because they hated Trump.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
And even if it.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Wasn't true, and they knew it was hurting Trump, that's
all that mattered. Let's hurt Trump. Donald Trump, as you
know in this court case, has been put under a
gag order, so there's a lot that he can say
and an awful lot that he can't say. He did
come out in front of the press and I want
you to hear part of what he said.
Speaker 13 (23:26):
So thank you very much saw.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
What we saw.
Speaker 13 (23:30):
That's an incredible desplatin to say they want it in
my life.
Speaker 14 (23:34):
The tired and everyone's talking about it.
Speaker 13 (23:39):
This is what we have gact judge void to judge
by demons, by the club and thinking being allus. This
is a fourth week or fifth wid I campaigning. But
you saw what happened once just took place in that
quarter and hopefully the emotion he dismissed this trial will
(24:01):
go through because this trial is a disaster for our contry.
Speaker 15 (24:04):
It's a disaster for New.
Speaker 14 (24:06):
York State, newyorga sagy that Greg Jerry just says, where
exactly is the grime to quote a lumber over line
from Shakespeare's Love I don't know. It's a mystery.
Speaker 15 (24:18):
There is just no prime.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Andy McCarthy.
Speaker 15 (24:21):
If it's unconstitutional for Texas doing force general Undergradi Olds,
how is it constitutional for New York to enforced federal
electure roll They're going by federal law.
Speaker 14 (24:32):
Fever happened because where nobody's ever seen anything like this,
This is a witch children.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
This is a witch children.
Speaker 13 (24:39):
This is true Cambridge cricket.
Speaker 15 (24:41):
Joe Byen, the worst president of the history of York
gone free by far, by far.
Speaker 13 (24:46):
To damage his political abu if that's all.
Speaker 14 (24:50):
This is highly political judge, a totally conflicted judge who
just is.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Something that nobody's in to see it, and the press
is not happy.
Speaker 15 (25:01):
I don't imagine they're just got thrown at him any
one house.
Speaker 13 (25:05):
Nobody's ever seen any played by a game.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
No one has ever seen anything quite like it.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
This trial is a disaster for our country, by the way.
He's right, And remember there's certain things you can't talk
about about, like you know, Michael Cohen stealing from him
like that. That's a problem here that he can't talk
about it because they're not letting him talk about it.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
Even MSNBC.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
They're trying to rehab Michael Cohen right now and saying
this about Michael Cohen.
Speaker 16 (25:37):
I mean, Donnie, we won't know tilts Ober right we
landed with the jury and what didn't and if Michael
Cohen can be undone, if all nineteen days could be undone,
but I it was the twentieth day, Thursday after Toddlande
bombs on his first day, right, cossing Michael conn after
three days a trek. If it could be undone with
one question that one day and then that creates us
(25:59):
no all effect that he followed up on today, then
they probably didn't have a very good case because you
would have to believe then you have to believe that
David Pecker and have Picks and wester Hout and keep
David Simmer all in on it, right, that they were
all in and that that and I actually thought the
moment that Michael Cohen made the whole room crack. I'm
not just a jury but everybody in it, according to transcripts,
(26:21):
because he said, is it better for you Trump, you know,
is convicted or not?
Speaker 7 (26:24):
He says, probably better for maybe he's not.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
And I'm still out there paying on it. I mean,
that's true, like the idea that anyway say it again.
Speaker 17 (26:32):
And of course I've watched Michael interact with a lot
of people over the years, and some people who are
fans and some people that are not fans, and he
has this, he has all those rough edges and all
the lies and all this, but there's something compelling about
him at the same.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Time, you kind of believe it warts and all.
Speaker 17 (26:52):
So I don't think you know by the way he's
he's lighting in front of Congress's he's a character, He's
somebody who would be in a.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
Moment movie as a fixer or whatnot. That doesn't mean
you don't believe his story.
Speaker 17 (27:03):
And the fact that out of twenty five hours on
the stand there was one moment where he got confused
where they cleaned it up afterwards. I don't think particularly
all the corroboration that's on there, right, And you also
don't have to believe that who's going to pay money
on their own for Richard?
Speaker 1 (27:19):
I love other doing this, like Michael Cohen has all
those rough edges, this is Zach word and all the lies,
but there's something compelling about him, so you should believe him.
This is MSNBC, like, under no circumstances will they just
tell you? And notice how they didn't mention the real
lie here, like, Hey, you just brought your witness, the
guy that you're supposed to trust, who's a convicted liar,
(27:41):
lied to Congress, who's lied on the stand down multiple times,
who just admitted to embezzling tens of thousands of dollars
from Donald Trump and has made four million plus hours
off of ripping on Donald Trump since he's been convicted,
and says I'll make more money probably if he's not convicted,
because then I can keep banging on him and then
(28:03):
they tell you, yeah, I mean, look, I know he's
rough around the edges, but I mean he's a compelling guy.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
I don't know what world they're living in.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
But when MSNBC's trying to spin it this way, like, well,
but he's I mean, he's rough around the edges, but
he's just a compelling guy. He just stole money from
the person he's saying is the bad guy here, Like
he's stole tens of thousands of dollars and admitted, you
did you steal from the organization? Yes, yes, I did, Yes,
(28:32):
I stole from the Trump organization. And even Lawrence o'donald
on MSNBC coming out because they must have gotten like
the word okay that is like they must have gotten
the word that, hey, we got to save this guy, right,
we got to say, Michael Cohen, he's too important to
the case. So Lawrence o'donald goes out there on MSNBC
(28:54):
and says, well, but he kind of had a right
to steal the money because he thought he was owed
more money in a bonus.
Speaker 18 (29:00):
Are you at?
Speaker 7 (29:00):
MSNBC's Lawrence O'Donnell hosted The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell,
who has been inside the courtroom even there almost every day.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
You have the strength of.
Speaker 8 (29:12):
Beyond mortal men.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
But what was what was worth.
Speaker 6 (29:15):
It to you today?
Speaker 3 (29:16):
What did you see? What did you hear?
Speaker 18 (29:20):
Well, you know, the courtroom is where I began as
a writer and a reporter a long time ago, So
this is a home coming for me in terms of
a workplace. The shocking thing at the end of that
cross examination, and I just can't tell you how just
how stunning it was, because it's the thing that I
was waiting for. I saw everything, Todd blanche. I've seen
every minute of cross examination. I've seen every single question
(29:43):
he's asked. And he sat down and ended his cross
examination without asking a single question about the one hundred
and thirty thousand dollars that appears on the Alan Weiselberg
note about how they were structuring the payment to Michael Collen.
(30:05):
He asked about the fifty thousand dollars that's irrelevant to
the one hundred and thirty thousand dollars, And that's where
he very effectively got Michael Collen to say to agree
that yes, he stole thirty thousand dollars. Later, when Colin
was asked about that on redirect by the prosecution, it
didn't really sound like stealing thirty thousand dollars.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
It sounded a lot like Michael Cohen, like like what
in the world, Like what world are you living in?
He asked.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
And again I quote when Coen was asked about that
on diirect by the prosecution, it didn't really sound like
stealing thirty thousand dollars. They just asked him directly, did
you steal thirty thousand dollars from the Trump organization?
Speaker 3 (30:44):
And his response was yes, sir.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
And then they sit there they say, Wow, it doesn't
really sound like like it doesn't really sound like he
stole thirty thousand dollars. Like everybody calmed down. He just
admitted to stealing thirty thousand dollars. They asked him, did
you steal the money?
Speaker 17 (31:02):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (31:03):
And who pays that much money? By the way, in
a bag of cash? Like he's still I mean a
bag of cash fifty comes in, you give twenty to
the Trump organization.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
You keep the other thirty skimming off the top.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
And it's like, why, well, I thought I'd deserve more
money from the Trump campaign and our Trump organization and
a bonus. So therefore I just decided, screw it, I'm
just gonna steal a bunch of money. I'm sorry what
And then MSNBC tries to rehab it, like, hey, look,
we gotta say, we gotta say, Michael Cohen, how do
we do it?
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Well, that's easy, no problem.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
We'll just say that when you steal something, it doesn't
actually sound like he's stealing it, and go on TV
and all you guys say, this isn't a big deal,
and he's still trustworthy somehow, some way, like he's somehow trustworthy,
and just you know, act like he's trustworthy. It'll be
totally fine, and we'll just you know, our audience doesn't
want to hear that Michael Cohen's a liar. Our audience
(31:56):
doesn't want to hear that Michael Cohen is is a scumeback.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
There was only I go back to the one of the.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
First piece of audio that I played for you, Okay,
and that was right when this happened in Fox News Channel.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Read the transcript.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
If anybody's being intellectually honest over at MSNBC or CNN
or ABCNBCCBS, this is the lead tonight and this is
what they should read to the American people, but they
won't do it.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Finch and Cohen confirms that he owed Redfinch fifty grand
and never paid the full cash. Trump's attorney Bland says,
you stole from the Trump organization.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Cohen says, yes, sir.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
He also confirms Lyne to Alan Weiselberg, I don't know
how many of that is on the list, but that's
that's another prevarication. And Cohen says he never pleaded guilty
to larsony On they go. Blanche presses Cohen, you did
seal from the Trump organization based upon the expected reimbursement
of Redfinch, and he says yes, sir.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
So he says yes, sir. He says yes, sir.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Like that's the whole ballgame, folks, That's that's the whole thing.
He says, yes, sir. Donald Trump saying it this way,
this is a witch hunt. It's an attempt to damage
Joe Biden's political opponent, that is all that it is.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
And when Donald Trump said it, he's right, where.
Speaker 14 (33:18):
Nobody's ever seen anything like this, this is said, this
is a witch child. This is to damage Crooked Joe.
Speaker 13 (33:26):
Biden, the worst president of the issue.
Speaker 15 (33:28):
We are going to treat by far, by far to
damage his political movement.
Speaker 7 (33:34):
That's all.
Speaker 14 (33:34):
This is the highly political judge, a totally conflicted judge,
who just did something that nobody's ever seen it.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
And the press is not happy.
Speaker 13 (33:46):
I don't imagine they just got thrown out him a moodouse.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Nobody's ever seen anybody, no one's ever seen anything quite
like it. If there's anything that this administration does and
does well today, let me rephrase that. If there's anything
that the defense should do and do well today, it
should be this.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
When they go.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
To this whole thing at the very end and they
wrap it up, they need to say, hey, Michael Cohen,
this is his resume, y'all, this is what you're supposed
to trust. A convicted felon, a perjurer, a Democrat star witness.
It is law fair campaign against President Trump. He's made
(34:30):
over four million dollars doing it, and now he's admitted
to a theft stealing money from Donald Trump in twenty sixteen.
And this is the guy that you're supposed to trust today,
give me a break. Make sure you share this podcast
please with your family and your friends. Are going to
keep covering this trial. We'll have everything for you as
it breaks. We'll see you back here tomorrow morning.
Michael Cohen, Well, he's cooked, serve him up on a
platter to the Trump organization. After being forced to admit
under oath, Yeah, I stole like tens of thousands of dollars,
at least that he's admitting to right now. I think
there's probably a pretty good chance he may have stolen
more money. They just didn't know exactly which asked which
question to ask him about other payments. But he did
(00:22):
have to admit under oath that he stole tens of
thousands of dollars from the Trump organization. This is the
same witness that they are telling you the jury. You
gotta trust him. The entire case is around Michael Cohen.
How did it happen? Take a listen to this from
the transcript from the courtroom.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Finch and Cohen confirms that he owed Redfinch fifty grand
and never paid the full cash. Trump's attorney Bland says,
you stole from the Trump organization. Cohen says, yes, sir.
He also confirms lying to Allan Iselberg. I don't know
how many of that is on the list, but that's
(01:04):
another prevarication. And Cohen says he never pleaded guilty to
larceny on they go. Blanche presses Cohen, you did steal
from the Trump organization based upon the expected reimbursement of Redfinch,
and he says, yes, sir.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
So that's yes, sir. There it is Steve Michael Cohen here.
Did you steal from the Trump organization?
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Asked again, you did steal from the Trump organization, correct, Cohen?
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Yes, sir.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
So this is just the beginning of what we now
know about what he stole. Now, let's put this into perspective,
so you understand what Michael Cohen just admitted to stealing
money and bezzling money.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
From the Trump organization where he worked.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Is actually, you ready for this a more serious crime
than falsifying business records, which is what this woke activists
DA is accusing Donald Trump of actually doing. Now, the
question is will they go after Michael Cohen. I'm sure
in New York they're gonna say no, no, We're not gonna
(02:12):
go after him.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
He's one of ours.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
He's one of ours, and this disaster turns into the
prosecution resting their case. CNN senior legal analysts set on
Monday on their coverage on CNN that the former president
Donald Trump's business record trial. The witness Michael Coen admitting
he stole money for the Trump organization is a more
(02:34):
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to Cohen here, So he lies and the media is
having to deal with this, right like, this is a
(05:06):
pretty darn big lie. And I want you to hear
what CNN says about Michael Cohen stealing from the Trump organization.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
Not a lawyer, just a common guy, just a humble
cave man. But it seems like it seems like they
should have hit this harder a week ago.
Speaker 5 (05:23):
Oh absolutely, And the point you just made about yourself,
that's what the jury is except for two lawyers. Jurors
don't know this stuff and so they need to have it,
you know, really presented to them. And so the fact
that it was minimized in that way by the prosecution,
I think it presents a very good opportunity and closing
(05:44):
for they knew about this, they minimized it the prosecutor
misled this jury.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
That's what I would are.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Are you allowed to say that, yes, sir, oh yeah.
Speaker 6 (05:53):
The way this was raised and addressed on direct is
what Julia Louis Dreyfus would call YadA, YadA, YadA. I mean,
here's what Michael hell and here's what Michael Cohen.
Speaker 7 (06:01):
Said, explained George Costanzo.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
No, no, no, it was a lane. It was it
was to it.
Speaker 6 (06:08):
Here's the direct testimony that the way Michael Cohen explained
what happened, it's actually.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
A girl that Stanza was dating.
Speaker 6 (06:16):
Michael Cohen explained this whole thing. Quote, that's what was owed.
And I didn't feel mister Trump deserved the difference. That's
a lot different than I stole sixty thousand dollars from
my boss on the transaction at the heart of this case.
And by the way, the fact that he was ever
charged with larsening is important because stealing sixty thousand dollars
(06:36):
through fraud, which would be larceny in New York State,
is more serious of a crime than falsifying business.
Speaker 7 (06:42):
This is one of those instances where I'm really looking
forward to talking to our reporter, our reporters who are
in there to see I understand, and I take your point,
Laura about all of you really about playing to the jury,
but also being careful about reading too much into the
reaction of the jury. I think the answer to your
question about whether or not they really did absorb what
(07:05):
the prosecution said last week or two weeks ago will
be has to be noted by their reaction today in
some way, shape or form, don't you think.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
By the way, I love this, I love how they're like, oh,
let's laugh about Seinfeld and talk about that for a second.
Would they have ever done that if this was switched
the other way around, that a Republican lied on the stand,
they'd be going wall to wall massive and they're like, oh, crap,
our favorite guy who we've given countless hours of airtime to,
Michael Cohen, just admitted to stealing from the Trump organization.
(07:38):
And then you have a CNN analyst that says this
is more serious of a crime than what they're accusing
Donald Trump of. It's grand largnity basically, and then saying
this is like major, go to jail stuff. And yet
they didn't charge Michael Cohen with it, and they knew
it right, They knew it, So how do you kind of,
you know, soften this for the viewers that hate Trump.
(08:00):
CNN you talk about YadA YadA, YadA, and this is
like some sort of Seinfeld episode and you all laugh
about it.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
You take all that away.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
And what CNN said was the defense scored a stunning
revelation that Michael Cohen stole money from the Trump organization
and was not charged with that crime. That's the other
part about this that you need to understand. And I
want you to hear what Trey Gowdy had to say
over at Fox. He's in the courtroom, he's actually in there.
He came out to do this interview on Fox. He's
(08:33):
one of the hosts there now former congressmen. And listen
to what he said about the jury.
Speaker 8 (08:38):
And I thought his lawyers quite candidly. They got Coen
to admit that he lied, that he had a motive
to lie, that he would continue to lie in the future,
and then they moved on. They spent most of their
time on pretty esoteric things that I think, in the
final analysis, aren't going to move the jury. So juries
that's what I'll watch. It's the only doll opinions that matter.
(09:01):
They seemed a little bit I don't want to say disinteresting,
because they weren't, but they seemed to be doing this
with their hands, Like, come on and get to the
good stuff. What we care about is if you can
show us that Cohen still is motivated by a desire
to hurt Donald Trump, we're interested. But if you're going
back to a conversation that may or may not be
(09:23):
relevant from four years ago, move on. I just kind
of mentally saw them doing this a little bit.
Speaker 9 (09:28):
So, Trey, if you go back to the original indictment,
the language says with intent to defraud and intent to
commit another crime, but it never articulates what the quote
another crime is. You spend a lot of time in
a courtman as a federal prosecutor. Did you ever take
somebody to court when the defense didn't know what crime
that person was committed with.
Speaker 8 (09:52):
I would never have taken this matter to court in
the first place. I don't think, I mean defense passed
on it. Keep that in mind. I mean the Fed
right down the street in the southern disc of New
York took a pass on this. So this is a
political motivation, but the jury's not going to hear that.
So the defense team still needs to treat this like
it like it is a prosecution that exposes the former president,
(10:18):
and they need to treat it like that. There is
a political component to it, for sure, but for these twelve,
if he wants a not guilty verdict, you got to
kind of put that aside.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Trey Gouty makes an interesting point there. Michael Cohen is
actually telling the truth about all of his lies. That's rare,
and the only people they need to make sure I
understand this as he described it, and he's absolutely right,
is the twelve people in the box, and it needs
to be exploited to make it clear to them that, hey,
this guy still has a motivation to lie about Donald
(10:51):
Trump and in fact has made millions of dollars off
of it, which he admitted to today. You look at what
Trey Gowdy said also about this case, and one of
the things he said about this jury is he said,
is the jury is going to.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Be looking at Michael Cohen.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
They've got to ask themselves a question, can I trust him?
They also found out that he's made over four million
dollars trashing Donald Trump on social media, TikTok payments, books,
et cetera. So hating Trump has made Michael Cohen over
four million dollars that obviously has to be brought up
as well. But listen to the second part of what
(11:30):
he said.
Speaker 9 (11:30):
Just so folks at home get this correct. This is
the way it unfolded. This morning, Tray Cohen testifies on
repayment to a high tech company, Redfinch, for fifty thousand dollars.
Cohen says he repaid Redfinch twenty k. Cohen confirms he
never paid Redfinch the full fifty thousand. Todd Blanche produces
that Cohen stole from the Trump organization. Cohen agrees that
he stole from the Trump organization. Cohen says he left
(11:53):
the Trump organization believing that he had paid back the
fifty thousand dollars to Redfinch. When Trump Organization grows up
coins compensation, he pocketed that money too. Cohen admits to
essentially stealing sixty thousand dollars from the Trump organization. So
he lied to his client, He secretly recorded his client,
and then this morning he admitted that he stole from
(12:15):
his client. What was it like being there watching all
of this unfold?
Speaker 8 (12:23):
That wasn't even the most surprising part of the morning.
I mean, yes, it is rare to have a witness
admit yeah, I stole money from one of my clients.
The most amazing part to me is that Michael Cohen
just spent three hours asking a jury please believe me
when I'm telling you about all my lives. That is
not a good strategy for a witness that wants to
(12:45):
be believed to say, yes, I lied about this, and
I have a financial motive in lying, and I want
to run for Congress. Don't forget about that. He admitted
this morning he wants to run for Congress. He wants
someone to do a documentary on him. But all of
those lives you should just regard because this one time,
this one time, even though I have sworn to get
revenge and it's better cold and hot, please believe me.
(13:09):
I just would not want to be the prosecutor having
to convince a jury of that. Having said that, the
other big observation this morning is this judge is seemingly
cutting the alegs out from under the trunk defense. If
they're planning on calling an expert to go into what
is involved with efforts to influence an election, the judge said,
(13:30):
I'm not going to let that happen. I don't mind
a high strike zone. I don't mind a low strike zone,
just being uniform. And I can tell you I went
I came this morning saying, never seen this judge before.
I'll keep an open mind. The reality is the prosecution's
getting every jump ball and the defense ain't getting any
of them.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
I love the way he described it, so Cohen Liede
he took a bunch of money. And not only did
he take a bunch of money, he's now saying he
wants to run for Congress and he wants somebody to
do a documentary and he and he's made over four
million dollars trashing Donald Trump so far, and then is
caught stealing, which is a bigger crime than what they've
(14:11):
accused Donald Trump of doing in this trial, but no
one's prosecuting him for that, which goes back to CNN.
They're still reeling right like they can only talk about
Seinfeld for so long before they have to tell you
the truth yet again, that this is such a disaster.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Listen to Jake Tapper.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Stuff, and I have to say, I'm still kind of
reeling from the revelation that Michael Cohen stole money from
the Trump organization, and that wasn't, at least to my knowledge,
that the prosecution didn't get that get that out earlier,
because it's not as though the prosecution is going to
be helped by further evidence that Michael Cohen is a
(14:52):
shady character. I mean, let's I'll get to the newest
stuff in a second, but like, i mean, what's just
what's your reaction to that news?
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Because that was just kind of stunning.
Speaker 10 (15:01):
I'm shocked that we are hearing it for the first
time on day three of cross examination of Michael Cohen,
that the prosecution did not take the sting out, did
not front it, because it goes to the heart of
the actual case. It's not just about establishing him as
a liar. They've done that. The prosecution fronted that. We
knew that he has convictions, but going to the heart
of what you were telling your employer about what money
(15:23):
you were owed and the extent of it. We're talking
about four hundred and twenty thousand dollars. We've already seen
the paper started like fifteen bucks, not afteen bux and
we I mean, if you think are the tablet you
can break down what was already known. We've known about
what the breakdown of the money is. One hundred and
thirty thousand dollars to Daniels and her attorney.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
You got fifty thousand dollars.
Speaker 10 (15:41):
It's Redfinch.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
This is important here.
Speaker 10 (15:43):
This was mentioned today that he only gave Redfinch twenty
thousand dollars and handed.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Them in a brown paper bag.
Speaker 10 (15:50):
By the way, just the game, that is, And just
one quick note.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
Redfinch is this political organization that apparently, according to Michael Cohen,
helped them goose these bogus internet polls about which candidate
is in the lead, et cetera, et cetera, and also,
according to Landy Davis, provided adoring fans for Trump's announcement
of his candidacy in June twenty fifteenth.
Speaker 10 (16:15):
Sorry, really important point to add. Why this is they
only got twenty thousand of it, talking though the bill
was for fifty thousand dollars, and you have one hundred
and eighty thousand dollars, which is again the double of
these two combinations.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
And then a bonus for Cohen.
Speaker 10 (16:27):
Remember all that we have so far to link Donald
Trump to these payments, in part is the statement that
quote unquote he approved it. We also know we have
information about where the checks were, how it was signed.
But remember mcconnie, that was one of the comptrollers of
the Trump organization taking notes from Alan Weiselberg about the
money payment. So this is part of what we're talking about.
(16:50):
Why this is so important here is because the heart
of the matter is that Donald Trump was complicit cause
to have this happen and knew about the money that
was going and why if they can establish Michael Callway
to somebody who is not to be trusted about the
amount of money as well, then they might be able
to suggest that Donald Trump had no idea what he
was saying.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
So I love it.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
They're like having to admit, okay, So there's a good
chance now that the jury may actually be convinced that
Donald Trump had no idea what this scumbag lawyer was doing,
including a guy that was stealing from his boss while
he's claiming, you gotta believe me now, and that's in
the only ones having a meltdown. By the way, on CNN,
take a listen to this. This is what Flitzerer having
(17:33):
a conversation about this shock moment.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Here's what they said on his show.
Speaker 11 (17:38):
Truly amazing stuff that's going on right now. So I'm
truly studying moments in the courtroom to be sure. Earlier today,
Cohen admitting to stashing tens of thousands of dollars from
Trump back in twenty sixteen that was intended to go
to a technology company. Trump attorney Todd Blanche asking him
directly and I'm quoting now, so you stole from the
(17:59):
Trump War organization, Cohen replying, quote, yes, sir.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Can you imagine CNN right now, like they're like, holy crap, right, like,
we got to cover this. This is the same left
wing media, by the way, that gave all the credit
billion in the world to Michael Cohen, a guy they
put on TV twenty four to seven as soon as
he started trashing Donald Trump, who is a felon and
a liar. And now they're shocked that this felon and
(18:26):
liar who they gave credibility to made him famous, have
have handed him over four million dollars in profits of
for And don't tell me there's somebody making you can't
make a living ripping on Donald Trump. This dude went
like to jail and then made four million dollars, all
because he hates Donald Trump. All right, let me take
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Now former Assistant DA Eric Hirshman saying this on Fox
News Channel about what just happened.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Take a listen.
Speaker 12 (20:46):
It's hard to understand how the judge is not going
to grant a directed verdict since there's no evidence that
links President Trump to any record keeping whatsoever. I just
don't understand it, and I don't think all of my
colleague and all the people that I worked with in
the DA's office have all said to me, Eric, go
out and talk about this.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
You have the experience to address it.
Speaker 12 (21:08):
And they're actually all unanimously, whether they like President Trump
or never trumpers have said they're embarrassed by the DA's
office bringing this type of case and is destroyed the
integrity of my old office.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
It has destroyed the integrity of my old office. The
never Trumper just said they're embarrassed. It's destroying the integrity
of my old office. Is a former assistant DA in
this office that brought this case saying we are embarrassed
by it, as they should be embarrassed by it. But
they're gonna let them get away with this because there
(21:44):
will be nothing that happens to Michael Cohen.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
He stole from the Trump organization.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
And you can see it again go back to what
Jake Tapper said, and Jake Tapper had no problem having
Michael Cohen on's show. This is the reason why I
can't stand Jake Tapper. He is such a fraud when
it comes to like and he always walks around like, oh,
I'm a journalist, like I have integrity.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Dude.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
You put all the people on your show for years
that were accusing Donald Trump Russian collusion that we're lying
and you never apologize your audience. You never said you
regret it. You never said, hey, we misled you or
lie to you. You guy gave them a platform, and
then when it comes out it's not true, you're like,
all right, move on. You gave airtime to Michael Cohen,
(22:27):
Your network made Michael Cohen famous, and now all of
a sudden that it comes out that the guy is
a convicted liar and fraud and then he was defrauding
the Trump organization. I'm still reeling from this, like what
you couldn't see it coming? Like, seriously, you couldn't figure
this out that a guy that lie lied under before
and went to jail for lying may have lied about
(22:51):
other things on your show where you guys were propping
him up.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
And look, they didn't care.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
The reason why they didn't care was real simple, Okay,
they didn't care because they wanted it to be true
because they hated Trump.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
And even if it.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Wasn't true, and they knew it was hurting Trump, that's
all that mattered. Let's hurt Trump. Donald Trump, as you
know in this court case, has been put under a
gag order, so there's a lot that he can say
and an awful lot that he can't say. He did
come out in front of the press and I want
you to hear part of what he said.
Speaker 13 (23:26):
So thank you very much saw.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
What we saw.
Speaker 13 (23:30):
That's an incredible desplatin to say they want it in
my life.
Speaker 14 (23:34):
The tired and everyone's talking about it.
Speaker 13 (23:39):
This is what we have gact judge void to judge
by demons, by the club and thinking being allus. This
is a fourth week or fifth wid I campaigning. But
you saw what happened once just took place in that
quarter and hopefully the emotion he dismissed this trial will
(24:01):
go through because this trial is a disaster for our contry.
Speaker 15 (24:04):
It's a disaster for New.
Speaker 14 (24:06):
York State, newyorga sagy that Greg Jerry just says, where
exactly is the grime to quote a lumber over line
from Shakespeare's Love I don't know. It's a mystery.
Speaker 15 (24:18):
There is just no prime.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Andy McCarthy.
Speaker 15 (24:21):
If it's unconstitutional for Texas doing force general Undergradi Olds,
how is it constitutional for New York to enforced federal
electure roll They're going by federal law.
Speaker 14 (24:32):
Fever happened because where nobody's ever seen anything like this,
This is a witch children.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
This is a witch children.
Speaker 13 (24:39):
This is true Cambridge cricket.
Speaker 15 (24:41):
Joe Byen, the worst president of the history of York
gone free by far, by far.
Speaker 13 (24:46):
To damage his political abu if that's all.
Speaker 14 (24:50):
This is highly political judge, a totally conflicted judge who
just is.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Something that nobody's in to see it, and the press
is not happy.
Speaker 15 (25:01):
I don't imagine they're just got thrown at him any
one house.
Speaker 13 (25:05):
Nobody's ever seen any played by a game.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
No one has ever seen anything quite like it.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
This trial is a disaster for our country, by the way.
He's right, And remember there's certain things you can't talk
about about, like you know, Michael Cohen stealing from him
like that. That's a problem here that he can't talk
about it because they're not letting him talk about it.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
Even MSNBC.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
They're trying to rehab Michael Cohen right now and saying
this about Michael Cohen.
Speaker 16 (25:37):
I mean, Donnie, we won't know tilts Ober right we
landed with the jury and what didn't and if Michael
Cohen can be undone, if all nineteen days could be undone,
but I it was the twentieth day, Thursday after Toddlande
bombs on his first day, right, cossing Michael conn after
three days a trek. If it could be undone with
one question that one day and then that creates us
(25:59):
no all effect that he followed up on today, then
they probably didn't have a very good case because you
would have to believe then you have to believe that
David Pecker and have Picks and wester Hout and keep
David Simmer all in on it, right, that they were
all in and that that and I actually thought the
moment that Michael Cohen made the whole room crack. I'm
not just a jury but everybody in it, according to transcripts,
(26:21):
because he said, is it better for you Trump, you know,
is convicted or not?
Speaker 7 (26:24):
He says, probably better for maybe he's not.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
And I'm still out there paying on it. I mean,
that's true, like the idea that anyway say it again.
Speaker 17 (26:32):
And of course I've watched Michael interact with a lot
of people over the years, and some people who are
fans and some people that are not fans, and he
has this, he has all those rough edges and all
the lies and all this, but there's something compelling about
him at the same.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Time, you kind of believe it warts and all.
Speaker 17 (26:52):
So I don't think you know by the way he's
he's lighting in front of Congress's he's a character, He's
somebody who would be in a.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
Moment movie as a fixer or whatnot. That doesn't mean
you don't believe his story.
Speaker 17 (27:03):
And the fact that out of twenty five hours on
the stand there was one moment where he got confused
where they cleaned it up afterwards. I don't think particularly
all the corroboration that's on there, right, And you also
don't have to believe that who's going to pay money
on their own for Richard?
Speaker 1 (27:19):
I love other doing this, like Michael Cohen has all
those rough edges, this is Zach word and all the lies,
but there's something compelling about him, so you should believe him.
This is MSNBC, like, under no circumstances will they just
tell you? And notice how they didn't mention the real
lie here, like, Hey, you just brought your witness, the
guy that you're supposed to trust, who's a convicted liar,
(27:41):
lied to Congress, who's lied on the stand down multiple times,
who just admitted to embezzling tens of thousands of dollars
from Donald Trump and has made four million plus hours
off of ripping on Donald Trump since he's been convicted,
and says I'll make more money probably if he's not convicted,
because then I can keep banging on him and then
(28:03):
they tell you, yeah, I mean, look, I know he's
rough around the edges, but I mean he's a compelling guy.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
I don't know what world they're living in.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
But when MSNBC's trying to spin it this way, like, well,
but he's I mean, he's rough around the edges, but
he's just a compelling guy. He just stole money from
the person he's saying is the bad guy here, Like
he's stole tens of thousands of dollars and admitted, you
did you steal from the organization? Yes, yes, I did, Yes,
(28:32):
I stole from the Trump organization. And even Lawrence o'donald
on MSNBC coming out because they must have gotten like
the word okay that is like they must have gotten
the word that, hey, we got to save this guy, right,
we got to say, Michael Cohen, he's too important to
the case. So Lawrence o'donald goes out there on MSNBC
(28:54):
and says, well, but he kind of had a right
to steal the money because he thought he was owed
more money in a bonus.
Speaker 18 (29:00):
Are you at?
Speaker 7 (29:00):
MSNBC's Lawrence O'Donnell hosted The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell,
who has been inside the courtroom even there almost every day.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
You have the strength of.
Speaker 8 (29:12):
Beyond mortal men.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
But what was what was worth.
Speaker 6 (29:15):
It to you today?
Speaker 3 (29:16):
What did you see? What did you hear?
Speaker 18 (29:20):
Well, you know, the courtroom is where I began as
a writer and a reporter a long time ago, So
this is a home coming for me in terms of
a workplace. The shocking thing at the end of that
cross examination, and I just can't tell you how just
how stunning it was, because it's the thing that I
was waiting for. I saw everything, Todd blanche. I've seen
every minute of cross examination. I've seen every single question
(29:43):
he's asked. And he sat down and ended his cross
examination without asking a single question about the one hundred
and thirty thousand dollars that appears on the Alan Weiselberg
note about how they were structuring the payment to Michael Collen.
(30:05):
He asked about the fifty thousand dollars that's irrelevant to
the one hundred and thirty thousand dollars, And that's where
he very effectively got Michael Collen to say to agree
that yes, he stole thirty thousand dollars. Later, when Colin
was asked about that on redirect by the prosecution, it
didn't really sound like stealing thirty thousand dollars.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
It sounded a lot like Michael Cohen, like like what
in the world, Like what world are you living in?
He asked.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
And again I quote when Coen was asked about that
on diirect by the prosecution, it didn't really sound like
stealing thirty thousand dollars. They just asked him directly, did
you steal thirty thousand dollars from the Trump organization?
Speaker 3 (30:44):
And his response was yes, sir.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
And then they sit there they say, Wow, it doesn't
really sound like like it doesn't really sound like he
stole thirty thousand dollars. Like everybody calmed down. He just
admitted to stealing thirty thousand dollars. They asked him, did
you steal the money?
Speaker 17 (31:02):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (31:03):
And who pays that much money? By the way, in
a bag of cash? Like he's still I mean a
bag of cash fifty comes in, you give twenty to
the Trump organization.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
You keep the other thirty skimming off the top.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
And it's like, why, well, I thought I'd deserve more
money from the Trump campaign and our Trump organization and
a bonus. So therefore I just decided, screw it, I'm
just gonna steal a bunch of money. I'm sorry what
And then MSNBC tries to rehab it, like, hey, look,
we gotta say, we gotta say, Michael Cohen, how do
we do it?
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Well, that's easy, no problem.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
We'll just say that when you steal something, it doesn't
actually sound like he's stealing it, and go on TV
and all you guys say, this isn't a big deal,
and he's still trustworthy somehow, some way, like he's somehow trustworthy,
and just you know, act like he's trustworthy. It'll be
totally fine, and we'll just you know, our audience doesn't
want to hear that Michael Cohen's a liar. Our audience
(31:56):
doesn't want to hear that Michael Cohen is is a scumeback.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
There was only I go back to the one of the.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
First piece of audio that I played for you, Okay,
and that was right when this happened in Fox News Channel.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Read the transcript.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
If anybody's being intellectually honest over at MSNBC or CNN
or ABCNBCCBS, this is the lead tonight and this is
what they should read to the American people, but they
won't do it.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Finch and Cohen confirms that he owed Redfinch fifty grand
and never paid the full cash. Trump's attorney Bland says,
you stole from the Trump organization.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Cohen says, yes, sir.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
He also confirms Lyne to Alan Weiselberg, I don't know
how many of that is on the list, but that's
that's another prevarication. And Cohen says he never pleaded guilty
to larsony On they go. Blanche presses Cohen, you did
seal from the Trump organization based upon the expected reimbursement
of Redfinch, and he says yes, sir.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
So he says yes, sir. He says yes, sir.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Like that's the whole ballgame, folks, That's that's the whole thing.
He says, yes, sir. Donald Trump saying it this way,
this is a witch hunt. It's an attempt to damage
Joe Biden's political opponent, that is all that it is.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
And when Donald Trump said it, he's right, where.
Speaker 14 (33:18):
Nobody's ever seen anything like this, this is said, this
is a witch child. This is to damage Crooked Joe.
Speaker 13 (33:26):
Biden, the worst president of the issue.
Speaker 15 (33:28):
We are going to treat by far, by far to
damage his political movement.
Speaker 7 (33:34):
That's all.
Speaker 14 (33:34):
This is the highly political judge, a totally conflicted judge,
who just did something that nobody's ever seen it.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
And the press is not happy.
Speaker 13 (33:46):
I don't imagine they just got thrown out him a moodouse.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Nobody's ever seen anybody, no one's ever seen anything quite
like it. If there's anything that this administration does and
does well today, let me rephrase that. If there's anything
that the defense should do and do well today, it
should be this.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
When they go.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
To this whole thing at the very end and they
wrap it up, they need to say, hey, Michael Cohen,
this is his resume, y'all, this is what you're supposed
to trust. A convicted felon, a perjurer, a Democrat star witness.
It is law fair campaign against President Trump. He's made
(34:30):
over four million dollars doing it, and now he's admitted
to a theft stealing money from Donald Trump in twenty sixteen.
And this is the guy that you're supposed to trust today,
give me a break. Make sure you share this podcast
please with your family and your friends. Are going to
keep covering this trial. We'll have everything for you as
it breaks. We'll see you back here tomorrow morning.
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