We Finally have a Crime in the Trump Trial, Larceny by Cohen

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
We are continuing to get word that Joe Biden doesn't
know who he is, where he is, or what he's
even saying anymore. Joe Biden named a American and said
the American is with us today at the Rose Garden party,
despite still being held by the terraces in Israel or

(00:23):
by Hamas terras that say, in Gaza.

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Speaker 3 (00:58):
So he's here.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
I know he's not here, but the parents are here. Okay,
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awkward moment saying your son's here being held by terrorists.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
Don't worry. I'm on top of.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
It, right, I'm on top of it now. All this
happening as a Trump trial is going on. The five
yesterday on Fox made a great point. We finally have
a crime and the Trump case. Take a listen, nineteen
days into this trial, we finally have a crime larceny.

Speaker 4 (01:28):
He stole sixty grand from his clients and then he.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
Took the rest.

Speaker 5 (01:33):
He paid twenty grand in cash in a brown paper
bag to the contractor he was stiffing.

Speaker 6 (01:40):
This is the guy, this is the star witness.

Speaker 7 (01:44):
So now the jury sees Trump as a victim.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
Finally a crime, folks, Finally a crime has been committed.
Donald Trump coming out calling this, as he described it,
a witch hunt.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
Listen, nobody's ever seen anything.

Speaker 7 (02:00):
This is a witchild this.

Speaker 8 (02:03):
Is a child This is to damage cricket Joe by
the worst president in the history of our country by far
by far, to damage his political public.

Speaker 9 (02:14):
That's all.

Speaker 8 (02:15):
This is highly political judge, a totally conflicted judge who
just is something that nobody's ever seen it, and the
press is not happy. I don't imagine they just got
thrown out of a morthhouse.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
Nobody's ever seen any play, no one's ever seen anything
quite like it. The president there, what do we now
know about the star witness and where the people on
the stand know or the I should say, the people
that are there, what do they know about this? Michael
Cohen his resume, he is a convicted felon, he is
a perjurer. He is the Democrat star witness and a

(02:50):
law fair campaign against President Trump. And now he's admitting, Yeah,
I stole money. I stole money. Michael Cohen went asked
if he stole from the Trump organization. Yes, sir, yes, sir, yeah,
I stole that money.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
I sure did. I stole it.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
So he lies and the media is having to deal
with this, right like, this is a pretty darn big lie.
And I want you to hear what CNN says about
Michael Cohen stealing from the Trump organization.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
Not a lawyer, just a common guy, just a humble
cave man.

Speaker 4 (03:26):
But it seems like it seems like they should have
hit this harder a week ago.

Speaker 7 (03:31):
Oh absolutely, And the point you just made about yourself,
that's what the jury is, except for two jurors don't
know this stuff, and so they need to have it,
you know, really presented to them. And so the fact
that it was minimized in that way by the prosecution,
I think it presents a very good opportunity in closing,

(03:52):
for they knew about this, they minimized it. The prosecutor
misled this jury. That's what I would are.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
A you're allowed to say that, yes, sir.

Speaker 6 (04:01):
The way this was raised and addressed on direct is
what Julia Louis Dreyfus would call YadA, YadA, YadA. I mean,
here's what Michael Cohen, Here's what Michael Cohen said.

Speaker 10 (04:09):
Explained George Costanza.

Speaker 6 (04:11):
No, no, no, it was a layine. It was it
was l YadA, YadA, YadA. Here's the direct testimony that
the way Michael Cohen explained what happened, especially a girl
that Stanza was dating, Michael Cohen explained this whole thing. Quote,
that's what was owed. And I didn't feel mister Trump
deserved the difference. That's a lot different than I stole

(04:32):
sixty thousand dollars from my boss on the transaction at
the heart of this case. And by the way, the
fact that he was never charged with larsening is important
because stealing sixty thousand dollars through fraud, which will be
larceny in New York State, is more serious of a
crime than falsifying business.

Speaker 10 (04:50):
It's just one of those instances where I'm really looking
forward to talking to our reporter, our reporters who are
in there to see I understand, and I take your point,
Laura out or all of you really about playing to
the jury but also being careful about reading too much
into the reaction of the jury. I think the answer
to your question about whether or not they really did

(05:12):
absorb what the prosecution said last week or two weeks
ago will has to be noted by their reaction today
in some way, shape or form, don't you think.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
By the way, I love this, I love how they're like, oh,
let's laugh about Seinfeld and talk about that for a second.

Speaker 3 (05:29):
Would they have ever done that?

Speaker 1 (05:31):
If this was switched the other way around, that a
Republican lied on the stand, they'd be going wall to
wall massive And they're like, oh crap, our favorite guy
who we've given countless hours of airtime to, Michael Cohen,
just admitted to stealing from the Trump organization. And then
you have a cn AN analyst that says this is
more serious of a crime than what they're accusing Donald
Trump of. It's grand largny basically, and then saying this

(05:55):
is like major go to jail stuff, and yet they
didn't charge Michael.

Speaker 3 (05:59):
Cohen with it and they knew it, right, they knew it.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
So how do you kind of, you know, soften this
for the viewers that hate Trump and CNN you talk
about YadA YadA, YadA, and this is like some sort
of Seinfeld episode.

Speaker 3 (06:16):
And you all laugh about it. You take all that away.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
And what CNN said was the defense scored a stunning
revelation that Michael Cohen stole money from the Trump organization
and was not charged with that crime. That's the other
part about this that you need to understand. And I
want you to hear what Trey Gowdy had to say
over at Fox. He's in the courtroom. He's actually in there.
He came out to do this interview on Fox. He's

(06:41):
one of the hosts there now former congressmen. And listen
to what he said about the jury.

Speaker 11 (06:46):
And I thought his lawyers quite candidly. They got Coen
to admit that he lied, that he had a motive
to lie, that he would continue to lie in the future,
and then they moved on. They spent most of their
time on pretty esetaic things that I think, in the
final analysis, aren't going to move the jury. So juries,
that's what I'll watch. It's the only twelve opinions of matter.

(07:09):
They seemed a little bit I don't want to say disinterested,
because they weren't, but they seemed to be doing this
with their hands, Like, come on and get to the
good stuff. What we care about is if you can
show us that Cohen still is motivated by a desire
to hurt Donald Trump, we're interested. But if you're going
back to a conversation that may or may not be

(07:31):
relevant from four years ago, move on. I just kind
of mentally saw them doing this a little bit.

Speaker 12 (07:36):
So Trey, if you go back to the original indictment,
the language says with intent to defraud and intent to
commit another crime, but it never articulates what the quote
another crime is. You spend a lot of time in
a courtman as a federal prosecutor.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
Did you ever.

Speaker 12 (07:50):
Take somebody to court when the defense didn't know what
crime that person was committed with?

Speaker 11 (08:00):
I would never have taken this matter to court in
the first place. I don't think I mean defense passed
on it. Keep that in mind. I mean the fence
right down the street in the southern disc of New
York took a pass on this, So this is a
political motivation, but the jury's not going to hear that.
So the defense team still needs to treat this like
it is, like it is a prosecution that exposes the

(08:25):
former president, and they need to treat it like that.
There is a political component to it, for sure, but
for these twelve, if he wants a not guilty verdict,
you got to kind of put that aside.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
Trey Gutty makes an interesting point there. Michael Cohen is
actually telling the truth about all of his lies. That's rare,
and the only people they need to make sure I
understand this as he described it, and he's absolutely right,
is the twelve people in the box, and it needs
to be exploited to make it clear to them that, hey,
this guy still has a motivation to lie about Donald

(08:59):
Trump and in fact has made millions of dollars off
of it, which he admitted to today. Fox News last
night Bob Costello testifying President Trump knew nothing about Michael
Cohen's payments. So again this is another example of the
media not covering the story. That's why I have to
do it for you.

Speaker 13 (09:18):
Listen, Stello right now on the witness stand is talking
about his conversations with Michael Cohen back in twenty eighteen.
He described Cohen as manic during those conversations, pacing back
and forth, and he just said that Cohen told him
during that time that Trump knew nothing about the Stormy
Daniels deal.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
Knew nothing about the Stormy Daniels deal nothing.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
That's not all.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
Listen to this as well again about the trial and
what's come out in the last twelve hours.

Speaker 14 (09:46):
It's hard to understand how the judge is not going
to grant a directed verdict since there's no evidence that
links President Trump to any record keeping whatsoever. I just
don't understand it, and I don't think colleagues and all
the people that I worked with in the DA's office
have all said to me, Eric, go out and talk
about this. You have the experience to address it. And

(10:09):
they're actually all unanimously, whether they like President Trump or
never Trumper's have said they're embarrassed by the DA's office
bring in this type of case and has destroyed the
integrity of my old office.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
It's hard.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
This is a guy that used to work in the
Day's office, the same DA's office is bringing these charges
now CNN having to deal with a fallout as well,
like how do we cover this?

Speaker 3 (10:32):
What do we say? How bad? Is it?

Speaker 15 (10:34):
Truly amazing stuff that's going on right now, some truly
studying moments in the courtroom, to be sure. Earlier today,
Cohen admitting to stashing tens of thousands of dollars from
Trump back in twenty sixteen that was intended to go
to a technology company. Trump attorney Todd Blanche asking him
directly and I'm quoting now, so you stole from the

(10:55):
Trump organization? Cohen replying quote, yes, sir.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
Truly, yes, sir, I stole.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
CNN having to read that on the air, I mean,
this is incredible. My Hemingway saying this on Fox News
as well, about what this means is the defense wraps or
cross examination of Cohen.

Speaker 16 (11:17):
Really are in a stunning moment in American history. We've
never experienced anything like this before. This is something we
usually associate with the Soviet Union or Venezuela or a
third world country where one political party is trying to
imprison and bankrupt their top political opponent, keeping him off
the ballot, putting him through show trials, all sorts of
trumped up charges all for political gain. Now, it really

(11:40):
are in a stunning moment.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
I mean, She's right, it's a stunning moment. Guy Benson,
a friend of mine at Fox, saying this to Harris
Faulkner about the case.

Speaker 4 (11:50):
The number of times I have heard the word devastating,
as Carrie just used in a description of Michael Cohen's testimony,
as in devastating to the prosecution, both on our air
and on even some of our competitors in recent days.
You get the sense that this is really going poorly
for Alvin Bragg.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
Yeah, really going poorly. And the moment that he had
to admit to this, the way that Fox described it
and just reading the transcript was exactly what they should
have done. The way that everybody in the media should
have handled this. ABCNBCCBS did not handle it this way.

Speaker 5 (12:26):
Listen, Finch and Cohen confirms that he owed Redfinch fifty
grand and never paid the full cash. Trump's attorney Bland says,
you stole from the Trump organization. Cohen says, yes, sir.
He also confirms lying to Alan Weisselberg. I don't know
how many of that is on the list, but that's

(12:47):
another prevarication, and Cohen says he never pleaded guilty to larceny.
On they go, Blanche presses Cohen, you did seal from
the Trump organization based upon the expected reimbursement of Redfinch,
and he says, yes, sir, so that's Finch.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
Yes, sir, I stole CNN then saying this after they
got the transcript. Listen carefully, it was only four well
about five seconds.

Speaker 3 (13:10):
Listen to their gut check.

Speaker 6 (13:12):
This has given such ammunition as to possibly fatally undermine
the prosecution's case.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
Fatally undermining the prosecution's case. They knew he was a scumbag.
They go to the next person CNN. Was the next
person CNN on the panel say right, because they got
all these panelists right that know everything?

Speaker 3 (13:32):
Would the next one say this practic?

Speaker 10 (13:34):
But this is significant because they appear to have caught
Cohen in another.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
Lie, another lie, like yeah, lied earlier. It's another lie.
So we'll have to figure this out.

Speaker 3 (13:46):
Another lie.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
Your star witness lying under oath, are admitting to stealing
from and making four plus million dollars off being anti Trump.
That's another part of the story. He admitted, Yeah, I
made over four million dollars being a Trump hater. That's
how much money Michael Cohen's made off TikTok and the
other crap that he's doing that is hating Trump. It's
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Speaker 3 (16:02):
Also net and Yahoo.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
This morning, he went on ABC News to do an
interview on what's happening with Israel. He laid out a
new plan for Israel, making it very clear. He also
went on Good Morning America and talking about what exactly
is happening right now I'm going to play that for
you coming up in a moment the full interview. I

(16:24):
do want to give you this little excerpt in this
one on one Listen to what he had to say
about laying out his three point plan for post war Gaza.

Speaker 17 (16:32):
Question is what happens the day after the fighting stops?
Do you have a plan for the day after the war?

Speaker 9 (16:39):
Absolutely, I think the day after the wars. First of all,
the day after Klamas. You have to destroy Klamas. Otherwise
Guzins don't have a future. Peace doesn't have a future,
The expansion of peace doesn't have a future. So get
rid of Lamas. That's our goal number one. Number two
demilitarized Gaza and the one sustained. The militarition I think
requires that Israel have the overall responsibility to fight resurgent terrorists. Three,

(17:04):
ensure that Gaza or seek a civilian administration by Gazans
who are not affiliated with Ramas and also don't seek
the destruction of Israel. And the last thing is rebuilt
Gaza in a peaceful way using the sort of moderate
Arab states and the international community. That's a realistic plan,
That's the one I have. But it goes through victory.

(17:26):
There is peace and stability and prosperity only through victory.
The road to peace goes through victory over Kamas, mister primeister,
thanks for your time.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
Prime Minister again speaking out right now, making it very
clear on all of this. Net and Yahoo just did
a one on one sit down interview moments ago with
Good Morning Americas speaking out after there is a prosecutors
assey International Criminal Court the ICC for arrest warrants for

(17:58):
the Israeli Prime minister and Hama's officials as well for
war crimes, trying to you know, act like both are
evil at the same level, which is insane. But this
is you know, one of those Okay, Well, both sides
are bad, so let's just arrest both. That's what they're
now asking for from the ICC. I want you to

(18:18):
hear what Netanyah who had to say on Good Morning America.

Speaker 17 (18:21):
Yeah, Netanyao in the wake of the top prosecutor for
the International Criminal Court seeking arrest warrant that alleges war
crimes in Gaza want to bring in the Prime minister
right now. Mister Prime Minister, thank you very much for
joining us this morning. You've been accused of using starvation
as a weapon of war. I know you've called that
decision by the prosecutors outrageous. The prosecutor responded to that yesterday.

(18:42):
I want you to listen to what he had to say.

Speaker 18 (18:45):
Israel has every right not to give sukkah to Hamas
that is not contested. Israel has every right and needed
an obligation to get hostages back, but you must do
so by complying with the law. The fact that a
mass fighters need water doesn't justify denying water from all

(19:06):
the civilian population of Gaza.

Speaker 17 (19:09):
Your response, well.

Speaker 9 (19:13):
I think this is absurd. This is beyond outrageous. He
said that we deny water, and he's making a totally
false accusation here and everywhere else. We are supplying now
nearly half of the water of Gaza. We supplied only
seven percent before the war, So this is completely opposite
of what he's saying. He's saying that we're starving people.

(19:33):
You know, we have supplied half a million tons of
food and medicine with twenty thousand trucks. This guy is
out to demonize Israel. He's doing a hit job. He's
creating a false symmetry between the democratically elected leaders of
Israel and the terrorist chieftains. That's like saying in After
ninety eleven, well, I'm issuing the rest warrants for George Bush,

(19:55):
but also forbidd Laden or after in World War two, Well,
I'm issuing rest warrants for but also for Hitler. It's
a hit job. It's not serious. He's out to defame Israel,
and he's also pouring gasoline on the fires of anti
Semitism that are spreading around the world because he is
attacking the one and only Jewish state and trying to
handcuff us, preventing us from exercising responsibly through the laws

(20:19):
of war as we obey them and we are subordinated
to them. He's saying we're not. He's creating false symmetry,
false facts, and he's doing a grave injustice to the
International Court.

Speaker 17 (20:30):
As you know, there is a serious food crisis in Gaza,
and has Sidney McCain, head of the UN World Food Program,
said parts of Gaza are undergoing full blown famine. Do
you acknowledge that under international law, Israel has a legal
obligation to prevent people in Gaza from starving?

Speaker 9 (20:46):
Well, we certainly have an obligation to enable trucks to
go in. And as I said, we've enabled twenty thousand
trucks to go in. We just fixed the roadbeds to
enable those trucks to go in and half a million
tons of food and drugs. Who's stopping this? In fact,
HAMAS is the one that is looting these trucks while
we're enabling them to go in. We don't have a

(21:08):
deliberate starvation diet, we don't policy. In fact, we have
the opposite policy to allow maximum humanitarian aid to get
people out of harms way, while HAMAS is doing everything
to keep them in harm's way at gunpoint. And in fact,
we've sent millions of text messages, of phone calls, leaflets
to people doing something that no army and no government

(21:29):
is done in modern urban warfare, giving up the element
of surprise, telling people get out of harm's way and
let us finish the war against the terrorists. We're not
targeting the population, We're targeting the terrorists. These are fallacious charges.
I think that they cast a terrible stain on the ICC,
but I think serious countries are not taking them seriously.

(21:50):
And I was very glad to see that President Biden
called them outrageous, as in many leaders bipartisan support across
the United States, and people are out putting bill in Congress,
bipartisan bill to put sanctions on the ICC prosecutor for
doing such a terrible singling outdividual. Really, really a distortion

(22:12):
and a travesty of justice.

Speaker 17 (22:13):
Are you concerned about traveling in the wake of this
arrest warrant?

Speaker 9 (22:18):
No, I'm not concerned about traveling. I think I'm not
concerned at all about our status. I think that the
prosecutor should be concerned about his status, because he's really
turning the ICC into a pariah institution. People are just
not going to take it seriously. They see it as
a politicized thing. I hope that the judges don't don't
confirm what he says, because that will make them into

(22:39):
a kangaroo court. Israel is fighting a just war, not
only ours, not only our war. We're fighting the war
of all democracies. Because if democracies are now faced with
a situation that, after taking incredible efforts to get people's
out of arms way to supply humanitarian aid on a
vast scale, if they're told then they're hauled into the
dock because the terrorists or fighting them and using civilians

(23:02):
as human shields. Then others will do it again, and
every democracy will be pulled into the dock where first
you're next. The big quest many people understand that, so
that has to be stopped, and that has to be resistant.
And I can assure you the vast majority of Israelis
and all responsible leaders in the world understand that this
should be resisted.

Speaker 17 (23:21):
The big question is what happens the day after the
fighting stops. Do you have a plan for the day
after the war?

Speaker 9 (23:29):
Absolutely, I think the day after the wars first of all,
the day after Hamas. You have to destroy Hamas. Otherwise
Ghazins don't have a future. Peace doesn't have a future,
The expansion of peace doesn't have a future. So get
rid of Hamas. That's our goal Number one. Number two,
demilitarize Gaza and the one sustained militarition I think requires
that Israel have the overall responsibility to fight resurgent terrorists. Three,

(23:54):
ensure that Gaza or seeka a civilian administration by Gazans
who are not affiliated with Lamas and also don't seek
the destruction of Israel. And and and the last thing
is rebuilt Gaza in a peaceful way using the sort
of moderate Arab states and the international community. That's a
realistic plan. That's the one I have. But it goes

(24:15):
through victory. There is peace and UH and stability and
prosperity only through victory. The road to peace goes through victory.

Speaker 17 (24:25):
Over Kamas, mister Prime Minister, thanks for your time.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
Natan Yea, who also went on another show to talk
about this as well.

Speaker 9 (24:34):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
And and he decided to make it clear, this is nothing.
But you know, this ICC is total crap.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
This this prosecutor on this arrest warrant, this is pure evil.
And the way that he described is like this would
be like having a restaurant for Osam bin Laden and
George Bush the same time, or or Hitler and in
those we're fighting him. It's totally lunacy. Yet they're covering
it in the media like this is some sort of

(25:07):
big deal.

Speaker 3 (25:07):
And said being honest about it. Listen, welcome back.

Speaker 19 (25:11):
As we've reported, the world's highest criminal court is seeking
to arrest toop Israeli and TOMAS leaders, including Israel's Prime
Minister Benjamin ette Yaho and the leader of Hamas both
for their alleged war crimes. The panel of experts surveying
the case actually includes Amal Clooney, who was handpicked by
the court more than four months ago. NBC International correspondent
Kelly Cobiera joins us now from London.

Speaker 20 (25:33):
Kelly, good morning, Christine, Good morning to year. Yes, we
know that Amal Clooney is married to Hollywood a lister,
George Clooney, but she is also a highly respected international
human rights lawyer, and she revealed on Monday that she
is a member of this expert panel which signed off
on the prosecutor's decision to bring war crimes charges against

(25:55):
Natanyahu and top Hamas leaders. President Biden calling to bring
charges against top Israeli leaders outrageous.

Speaker 21 (26:06):
Amal Clooney in the spotlight again, not for her marriage
to George Clooney or her glamorous red carpet style, but
for her role as a legal advisor to the International
Criminal Court in the Netherlands, the ICC's chief prosecutor requesting
arrest warrants for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Ette, Yahoo, Israel's
Defense Minister, and three senior Hamas leaders for alleged war crimes.

(26:30):
Amal Clooney, writing, the law that protects civilians in war
was developed more than one hundred years ago and it
applies in every country in the world, regardless of the
reason for a conflict, adding, I will never accept that
one child's life has less value than another's. This is
just the latest high profile legal case for Clooney, who
is a barrister and member of a well respected British

(26:52):
law firm. She once represented Wikileak's founder Julian Asange in
his fight to avoid extradition to Sweden on sex crime charge.
More recently, she called on the UN and US to
do more to stop reported war crimes in Ukraine. Ukraine
is today a slaughter house right in the heart of Europe.

(27:13):
She has also investigated atrocities in Syria, Darfur and Iraq,
sitting down with NBC in twenty sixteen to explain what
drives her.

Speaker 10 (27:22):
I believe in international justice. I believe it's important that
you don't just turn the page without people being held
to account.

Speaker 21 (27:29):
The gravity of her day job in contrast to her
leading man husband, prompting a memorable moment at the twenty
fifteen Golden Globes.

Speaker 22 (27:37):
Amal is a human rights lawyer who worked on the
Enron case, was an advisor to Kofi Anon regarding Syria,
and was selected for a three person UN commission investigating
rules of war violations in the Gaza strip. So tonight
her husband is getting a lifetime.

Speaker 9 (27:54):
Achievement aw.

Speaker 21 (27:57):
The forty six year old mother of six year old twins,
it rarely gives interviews, preferring to focus on her work
and her young children. She made an exception in twenty
eighteen when George was honored by the American Film Institute.

Speaker 10 (28:10):
What I have found with you is the great love
that I always hoped existed.

Speaker 21 (28:16):
One of the world's most glamorous women now taking a
strong stance on the conflict in the Middle East.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
I love this right, It's leave it to George Coney's
wife to Beck. Yeah, let's lock up that guy Net
and Yahoo who was attacked by Hamas.

Speaker 3 (28:31):
Let's do that. These people may.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
Be glamorous, but they're insane. Make sure you share this
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