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Speaker 1 (00:01):
So as I come on here right now, the big
question that everybody is asking is is Joe Biden going home?
Is he going to go back to Delaware? Is he
going to just drop out of the race. I want
to be clear, I don't think he's going to drop out.
There's a lot of reporting right now saying that the
President is thinking about dropping out. The Democrats are saying
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he's got to drop out. They're losing their minds on TV.
The media is united against him getting out. The Democratic
leadership is united behind getting him out. And Biden met
with Democratic governors and the polls show that he is
slipping in his support.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Now.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
President Biden huddled with a group of more than twenty
Democratic governors in an attempt to stabilize a standing among
his party's leaders. All right, The President was said to
be mowing the future of his candency with key allies,
and a new poll show that Donald Trump had a
widen lead over Joe Biden after the debate disaster. Donald
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Trump now leads President Biden forty nine to forty three
percent among likely voters nationally. A new poll shows I
don't care about national polls that much, because yes, it
shows your trend, but it does a meanything because this
all comes down to the electoral College.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
So I look at swing states.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
What I know right now is the president of the
United States of America, Joe Biden is behind Donald Trump
in every single swing state. Now in Michigan, Joe Biden
sought to reassure Democrats that her husband was up to
the job. Not all there were convinced either. As we
are going through this, as they're trying to convince everybody
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before July fourth holiday that everything is going to be
just fine. Congressional Democrats have also now become cautious when
defending President Biden's ability to serve and also win reelection
because they're afraid because all of them on the House
side are up for reelection right every two years. They're
that Joe Biden may make them lose some of their seats.
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And then the question is who would be the front
runner right now if it Joe Biden does step aside.
I think it's no doubt right now that the front
runner is Kamala Harris. Why because she's the only one
that could actually use the money that's been raised for
the Biden Harris campaign, and it seems very problematic for
someone to come in with no war chest and have
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to start at zero. Kamala Harris would start with the
same amount of money that is in their bank account
right now. Harris is also growing the support on social
media among Democrats because I think they also understand that
the campaign is up and running. They don't have to
start something new, and they don't have to start raising
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Speaker 2 (04:41):
Now listen to this.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Tim Waltz, Governor, walking out of this meeting at the
White House about eight o'clock on July third, and this
is what he said to the American people.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Doc, thank you, SPID for office, Yes, FIP for office.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
President as three and a half, three and a half
years of delivering for us, going through what we've all
been through. None of us are denying Thursday night was
a bad performance.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
It was a bad Uh. It was a bad.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Hit if you will on that. But it doesn't impact
what I believe he's delivering.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
No, I always say this.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
In November, we've got a clear choice.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
The President was very clear that he is in this
to win this, and the president is going to President
is our nominee, the president is our party leader. And
the President has told us, and he was very clear
back there that he is in this to winness. And
so for people, I would say and listen, we're governors.
We don't do handering. That's not what we do. Governor's
working get things done. Governors say, tell me the objective,
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and we're going to make sure that we accomplish the objective.
And so for people who who who are who are concerned,
I just want to be very clear on something. And
come November, we've got a binary choice, and the binary
choices between someone who has continually delivered for us in
our states and the people of our states, and frankly,
someone who's vision for the future of this country is
downright dangerous. And so I would tell people it is
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time to mount up, and it is time to get
serious and understands. Did the President explain that his debated
copies to you on Thursday night?
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Did he understand the states?
Speaker 4 (06:25):
Did he speaking?
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah, yeah, he did. He said, Look he didn't he listened.
He didn't listen to himself.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
And I thought he gave a great example when he said, look,
I'm worrying about numbers on this.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
It's about people. It's about their lives.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
This is Joe from Scranton. He talks about building the
middle class. He did it, he delivered. And I think
this idea that you get in your own head, you
get a little bit cycled up on that.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
What we saw it in there today was a guy who.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Was the guy that all of us believed in the
first time who could beat Donald Trump and did beat Donald.
Speaker 6 (06:48):
Trump with.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
That thank you, and they rushed off.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Now those Democratic governors that went before that microphone are
saying in a very united front, he is still our guy.
On TV, however, the Democrats on TV are saying something
very very different. We have a second House Democrat that
is now calling on Biden to drop out of the
twenty twenty four race publicly. Then a third came forward,
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Representative Moulton, saying, I have grave concerns that Biden can
beat Trump. So it's not even about the cognitive decline.
It's about, Hey, if this guy's going to lose, he
may make some of us lose. So we're going to
bail on him selfishly because now we no longer like him.
And I want you to hear what CNN said. A
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bunch of Democrats on there and they're talking about this.
Speaker 7 (07:41):
Listen, thoughts are because I've heard that message for months,
right that look at the record, and if he just
articulates the record, that will show in the numbers.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
But it hasn't.
Speaker 7 (07:52):
It hasn't shown in the numbers, and those numbers are
getting worse, and he didn't show an ability to make
that case aggressively in the debates, So I wonder where
that leaves us in your view.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Look, I'm just going to be honest.
Speaker 8 (08:05):
I mean, everybody comes on the air and says all
this great stuff, but behind the scenes it's.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Full skill panic.
Speaker 8 (08:11):
People are passing around legal memos, PDFs are flying back
and forth on WhatsApp trying to figure out what are
the options. How can you replace Biden? How do you
get him to do it in a way where he
feels respected as he should be respected. Who should Kamala
Harris's vice president be. The conversation on air and the
conversation off air are completely different. And so it's the
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same thing with you saw with the Trump situation where
people would come on air and defend Trump and then
you talk to people and then we got a crazy candidate.
We don't have a crazy candidate. We have a great candidate.
We have a beautiful man. We have someone who loves
this country. We have someone who has given his all,
I mean his all to the last drop for this country.
But he may not be able to get across.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
The finish line.
Speaker 8 (08:52):
And a mature party has to take that into account,
and that is what's happening. And so look, I understand
people want to, you know, to defend them and protect
him and give him their space and the dignity to
make his own choice. But there is a big conversation
happening right now about how this happens, not.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Weather, How this happens not weather.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
You notice how now, all of a sudden this has
started to really change the dynamic. Here they're saying, I
want to get rid of him, and I want to
get rid of him right now, and he has to
understand that it's time for us to get rid of him,
and we need him to go away, and we need
him to do it in a responsible manner, and we're
going to push him. Then you have those the White
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House who are saying, well, maybe he doesn't need to go,
maybe it's too hard. And then the question is does Harris.
If Harris is the one that's going to get everything right,
like all the money and she becomes a candidate, does
she have a better chance against Donald Trump? That is
a fair question that also needs to be asked now.
By the way, on a side note, the White House
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is not helping Okay, the White House is not doing
a very good job of helping at all, right now,
when they're asked basic questions. Listen to White House Press
Secretary being asked about the new excuse that Joe Biden
suffered from jetlag and that's why he didn't do well
at the last debate.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Thank you.
Speaker 9 (10:15):
There's no question that international travel can be rigorous. I
think the confusion is that he's still suffering from the
effects of.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
That nearly two weeks later.
Speaker 10 (10:23):
So he articulated a little bit about, like, do you
guys usually have accommodations for him after he does a trip,
that he's going to have jet lag for that long
a period of time.
Speaker 6 (10:34):
So can you can you when you say two weeks later,
what do you.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Mean the debate?
Speaker 9 (10:38):
He arrives back in the United States twelve or thirteen
days before the debate, So his explanation for a for
debate performance is jetlag.
Speaker 6 (10:45):
So what I want to say is it's the jetlag
and also the cold, right. It is the two things,
and that occurred, and you all heard it in his
voice when he did the debate, right, and it is
even something that we shared ahead of time. You heard
it in his voice, and we confirmed it, and I
think that's important to note as well, like it is
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the jet lag and the cold. But I want to
be really I want to be really clear here. This
is not an excuse, right, This is not an excuse.
You all asked for an explanation, and we get we're
giving it an explanation.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
It is not an excuse.
Speaker 6 (11:19):
I don't want that to be the leading piece of
this ask for the only reason we're sharing this because
it was asked of me here and the President certainly
wanted to give an explanation himself, and that's what he
did yesterday. We want to We understand that it wasn't
his best night.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
It wasn't a great debate.
Speaker 6 (11:37):
We understand that, and we understand what supporters saw, what
the American people saw, and what you all saw, and
so we wanted to give an explanation. So I don't
want to get into this or are you giving this excuse?
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Not an excuse, We're giving you.
Speaker 6 (11:52):
What our explanation was. We want to continue to make
sure that we do everything that we can to deliver
the American people. That's what we're going to continue to do.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
I mean, this is one of those when you just
gotta laugh. Joe Biden. They're saying, the reason why I
had a bad debate is because he suffered from jetlag,
and that would have been fourteen days before the debate,
two weeks before the debate. They're saying, well, we had jetlag,
and so therefore that's why I had a bad night
is because of the jet lag from two weeks prior vacation.
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But we're not making excuses. If I was Joe Biden,
by the way, I'd be firing the White House pres
secretary right now because she's only making you look like
you're more incompetent. The fallout from the debate this past
week continues, and there are a lot of people that
have been asking me what is going to happen, and
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there's a lot of different scenarios. So I'm going to
break it down for you so you understand exactly what
could happen here.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
After what was.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Described by Reuters as the president's quote shaky performance at
the debate with Donald Trump on Thursday night, Democrats then
began to openly question whether he should be replaced as
a candidate for the twenty twenty four election. There is
a process for doing so, but to be very clear,
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so everyone understands that process it's going to be extremely messy.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
The other question is how does it work.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Reuters spoke with a senior fellow at the Brookings It's
two think tank, a Democratic National Committee member and the
author of the book Primary Politics about the presidential nominating process,
and they asked the question that everyone's asking, how would
it work? So what options do the Democrats have. Let's
start with that the Democratic Party has had no real
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plan b for Biden.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
As its presidential candidate.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
He ran virtually unopposed for the party's presidential nomination. They
decided that they decided to basically shut everybody out, tell
everybody not to run against him in a primary. He
will not be nominated officially, however, until later this summer
at the Democratic National Convention. So the reality is, yes,
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there is still time to make a change. And then
that's where the handful, yeah, not one or two, but
a handful of scenarios become possible realities. Now here's the
easiest path to replace Joe Biden. So you understand, Biden
could just decide by himself. And as you know, there's
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reports that he's having a meeting with his closest advisors
and his family Sunday right had this big meeting that
they put out to decide and to talk about the
future of the campaign. There could be and we're hearing
that quote the money has dried up, people are not
willing to give. They also are gonna be looking at
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polling and internal polling numbers decide is there a pathway
for the president and not just a pathway, but is
there a way that they could turn this ship around
after the dismal performance. Now, I will say this to
be clear, Joe Biden and the team made sure that
Joe Biden was out there right after these debates and
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not into hiding like he usually is. I've seen more
of Joe Biden in the past week than I have
seen probably in the last six months.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Joe Biden is out.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
There, and they're treating him like he is a candidate
right now running for office. Now he may actually have
to be a real candidate now, not just kind of
show up here and there. He's gonna have to go
full speed ahead and look at a lot of donors
in the eyes, and meet with a lot of people
and ask for a lot of favors. He's not gonna
be able to just do this by sitting at the
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White House, taking naps and working a noon to or schedule.
So again, Biden could just straight up decide himself, I'm
gonna step.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Aside before I'm nominated at the convention.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
He could be challenged by the way by others who
try to win over the delegates that he has accrued,
and that would be basically like a coup attempt by
the Democratic Party internally. Or he could withdraw after the
Democratic conventions in Chicago in August, leaving the Democratic National
Committee to elect someone.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
To run against Trump in his place.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
So those are the real scenarios that are at play here.
So the next question is obviously this what happens next? Well,
right now, the process largely depends on Joe Biden. So
what I would say is, it doesn't really matter what
any of the Democrats say.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
It's gonna be up to Joe Biden.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Now he would have to agree to step down or
face a challenger this late in the process. He would
then try to force him to then basically get out
of the race. Biden and the team around him so
far have shown zero indications except for this meeting with
a family and that could just be to say, hey,
we met, we decided we're going to stick in this thing.
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But we had a serious meeting to placate some Democrats.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
That are losing their minds.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
But in reality, every signal is going to Joe Biden
is not wanting to step aside, and no opponents have
said they would come and challenge him directly at the convention.
In fact, there haven't even been leaks of those types
of conversations. So that should also tell you something. Now
you got to ask yourself then this question, who would
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even his top political opponents in the Democratic Party is
potential replacements be whether and I'm not rooting for these people,
I'm just telling you the reality. Number one would be
Vice President Kamala Harris. Because she is the vice president,
she's second in line, she's already running with him. It
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would make sense that Kamwa Harris would be the nominee.
The problem is she's hated by many Democrats and the
polling numbers for her are absolutely dismal. So again she's
number one in theory on paper. Then number two would
obviously be California Governor Gavin Newsom. The problem with Gavin
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Newsom is you would be basically replacing an African American
woman with a white, rich dude from California. I don't
know how that's going to go over with minority voters,
specifically African Americans and women in the Democratic Party. That's
number two now, Gavin Newsom, just to be clear, and
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some would say this was him being a good soldier,
but he spoke passionately in his defense after the debate,
serving as a surrogate role and showcasing his support. Now
he also, I think looked really good to Democrats. It
saw him because he contrasted what Joe Biden had just
done on stage.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
And was faltering.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
So one looks crisp and clean and new and energetic
in Newsome, and the other looks old SENI island Well,
I mean lost his dead gumb mine. Now here's the
other question. What happens if Joe Biden steps down? He
just comes out and says, all right, I'm out. It's
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a fair question.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
The answer.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Biden has spent the last several months accruing about four
thousand Democratic delegates by winning primary elections in US states
and territories. Those delegates would normally vote for him, but
the rules do not bind or force them to do so.
Delegates of the convention can vote with their conscience, which
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means they can throw their vote to someone else. So
if Biden says, hey, I'm releasing the delegates. Okay, all
four thousand plus of you, I'm releasing you, and I'm
gonna release you, and you get to step I'm gonna
step aside, then there could be a throwdown competition among
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other Democratic candidates become the nominee. In theory, at the
Democratic Convention, that would play out like a movie. That
could be good or bad for the Democrats, depending on
if they do it well. If there's a grand debate,
it could help the person coming out of there, or
it could completely divide the Democratic Party and ruin their
chances come November. It's a very risky game, so that
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would be the easiest, easiest path. Biden releases the delegates,
so I'm stepping aside, and there could be a coronation.
They could say it's gonna be Kamla and that could
be the end of that, or they could say it's
gonna be Gavin Newsom, or there could be an all
out war. But ultimately it's gonna come down to Biden.
In that scenario, who would replace Joe Biden. Several candidates
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could step into the fray. There is obviously no number one.
Kama Harris would be in theory the number one. I
mentioned that a moment ago, but she doesn't really She's
not really number one because people.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Don't really like her.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
And so Harris would almost certainly be at the top
of the list just because she's the vice president. It's
the natural progression of power and the Democratic Party when
they ran, it's like, well, she would be a great
vice president in case thing happened in the president right,
like it's all there on paper. But she's got her
own problems. She's got her own problems at a rocky start.
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She can't keep people around to work for her. That's
another problem. She apparently is impossible to work for the Democrats.
Insiders can't stand her and how much of a diva
she is, and that's putting it nicely.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
The turnover in her staff is just horrendous.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
It's basically like, you get a job working for it's
like congratulations if you started sitting out resumes. Yet it's
almost like you go to get a job with Kamwa
and then you immediately start looking for your next job,
because you know you're going to want to die if
you don't get out of there quickly. Now, let's also
talk about what the US Constitution says.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
All right, this is important.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
The US Constitution dictates the vice president become president if
the president dies.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Or becomes incapacitated.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
But it is not way in on an inner party
process for choosing a nominee at the convention.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
That's why I say it's open season.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
So let's go through the list, because it is bigger
than Kamala Harris. Right on that list, California governor news
from that would be I think probably the top of
the list, Michigan governor because a lot of people say
they want a woman. By golly, they thought it was
gonna be Hillary Clinton, break that glass ceiling and feminists
out there right So Michigan Governor, Gretchen Whitmer, Kentucky Governor
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Andy Masher, Illinois governor it's j is it in it?
Speaker 2 (23:01):
JB? Yes? JB. Pritz KERR.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
They've all been pushed on social media by Democrats as
possible replacements. Now they are Biden supporters and campaign surrogates
who are working to help get them elected in theory
until the debate happened this week, and then maybe they
were like, all right, I need to start looking out
for my own best interest, not his anymore. And so
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they may be working the phones behind the scenes. Now
the next question that people ask is this, So, how
would a nominee be chosen?
Speaker 2 (23:34):
It's a great question. This is how it's going to work.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
There would likely be a free for all of sorts
between the Democratic heavyweights that were vying for the job.
Candidates would have to get signatures from six hundred convention
delegates to be nominated. They're expected to be about four
six and seventy two delegates at the Democratic Convention for
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this year. They're including three thousand, nine and thirty three
pledge delegates in seven hundred and thirty nine automatic or
super delegates. This is according to the latest numbers that
we have. So you got to even get on the ballot.
If Biden was a step down, you'd got it. You'd
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have to go to the convention, you'd have to suck
up to a bunch of people, and you'd have to
get at least six hundred signatures to be nominated. Now,
once you're nominated, you're still short of the majority, right,
you just need six hundred to get in the game.
I think most of these people will be able to
pull that off, Like Gavin NEOs would be able to
get a lot of those just from California alone. Michigan
Governor Whitman would be able to get a lot from her.
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Kentucky governor, same thing, Illinois governor, same thing. So you'd
go to your home state first and go, hey, nominate me.
I need all your signatures, and then you'd find enough.
So there's it wouldn't be shocking if all of these
people got a shot at it. In theory, it doesn't
mean you're gonna get close to the number needed of
delegates actually get the nomination at the convention. Now here's
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the other part that's very important. So you know how
this works. If no one gets a majority of the delegates,
then there would be a.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Quote broker convention. You may have heard brokered convention.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
It was something talked about in twenty sixteen a lot
when Donald Trump they were talking about the possibility of
a brokered convention in Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
I was there for that when it was going on.
It was insane. Now, what is a brokered convention?
Speaker 1 (25:26):
It is in which the delegates act as in essence,
free agents and negotiate with a party leadership to come
up with a nominee. Now, there's a lot of backscratching
and corruption you could call it, that goes on when
that happens, right, Like, there's a delegates really important, and
then what happens is some people they will team up
with a and become like a group like Latino delegates
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or African American delegates or delegates from New York or
delegates from California. Why because there's power numbers. And then
it comes down to the bigger issue of hey, what
do I get in return? Because I'm now way more
important to you than winning a state on Super Tuesday
for example. Like think about the power these four thousand,
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six hundred and seventy two delegates have if some of
them start teaming up into voting box, right, Well, I
mean there's people that could literally say, hey, if you
get if we give this to you, I want a
job at the White House or at the DD or
the FBI or the DJ whatever it may be, right,
I want to There's and there's leaders within the group
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that may bring that group together and what they may
do is. They may say, Hey, I want to be
an ambassador to I don't know, like some amazing country
you know where I can just go hang out. I
want to go be a you know, open up a
consulate somewhere. For example, if I bring you fifteen votes
or thirty votes or sixty three votes, right, delegates, what
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do I get in return for that?
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Right?
Speaker 1 (26:54):
I've heard being the ambassador of Bermuda is really nice.
Would love to be an ambassador to a really chill
country for example. Now, if no one gets the majority
of the delegates, then you have the broker convention.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Everybody's a free agents.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Now the rules would be established, by the way, and
there would be a rogue call vote for the names
placed into the nomination process at the convention.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
And this gets insane.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Why because it could take many rounds of voting for
someone to get a majority and become the nominating I
remember the House speakership fight that we had recently and
how crazy that got. That would look mild in comparison
to a broker convention. At the Democratic convention, it would
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be insane. I've been to several, as I've covered and
had to commentate Democrat conventions Okay, I've never enjoyed going
to the Democrat convention because obviously I'm an outsider and
they hate me because I'm a hardcore conservative. But I've gone,
and I can tell you if there's a broken convention,
I actually wish I was going. I have no plans
(28:03):
to be a Democratic convention this year, but I'd actually
regret not going and saying, all right, I want to
go and now do TV from there and radio from there,
because it's going to be so insane now it could
take several rounds. The next question is, hey, when was
the last broker convention? Well, the last broker convention when
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Democrats failed to nominate a candidate on.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
The first ballot was all the way back.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
In nineteen fifty two, So it's been a long time, folks,
since this has happened. The other question I get asked
is this what happens if Biden steps down after the convention,
not before. If Biden steps down after the August convention,
the four hundred and thirty five members of the Democratic
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National Committee would then choose a new candidate. Every one
of them becomes very powerful, very quickly, and the same
thing that I would expect to happen at the convention
with the delegates, would happen within these members of the
Democratic National Committee, because there's going to be a lot
of those conversations what do I get? Right, hey, Gavin,
(29:12):
you want my vote? What do I get? Because this
is all about power. If you're a member of the
Democratic National Committee, you're doing it for personal gain.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
You're not doing it for like service to your country.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Right, You're you clearly are are somebody that wants to
be involved in the Democratic Party and you want to
be powerful, and that's why you're a member.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Well, this is what would happen.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
The members would all get together, four hundred and thirty
five of them, and they would meet in a special
session and then they would select who the nominee would be.
Since it was after the convention, so all those delegates
of the convention basically would lose all of their power.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Right, so their leverage is only.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Good up until the end of the convention, and once the
convention's over, it's game over.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Now.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
You may say, all right, well, then who the hell
are these four hundred and thirty five Democratic National Committee members. Well,
the answer simple, They are divided quote equally between men
and women.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Because Democratic Party is everything.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
That way, right, as well as various constituency groups including
labor unions and their leaders, lgbt QIA plus plus plus
plus plus representatives, and racial minorities now other totals. Seventy
(30:37):
five of these four hundred and thirty five DNC members
are appointed at large by the chair, while the rest
are elected in their respective states. So the argument would be, hey,
we have representation from every state in America and the
Democratic you know committee, we all are here, Let's decide
who our nominees going to be.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Now, who could nominate an alternative? In that case? Is
the next question?
Speaker 6 (31:03):
Right?
Speaker 1 (31:03):
If there's a big fight, well, to nominate a candidate
to replace Biden on the ballot, this is what has
to happen.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Number one, The person would have to have the support of.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
A minimum number of Democratic National Committee members. That number
and this is a guest because the number can change,
but it's going to be somewhere around at.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Least sixty of the four thirty five.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
The exact number would be determined, by the way, by
the DNC's Rules Committee, which would lay out the rules
for the proceedings before they started. So there's a lot
of just insanity that could happen even there, but the
number that most people believe would be around the.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Number would be around sixty.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
There would likely be nominating speeches by anyone that was
going to be nominated, and then seconding speeches by people
that why they're nominating the person. Now, multiple candidates, by
the way, could be nominated before the list is what
will down to the real front runners? I think we
all know who's going to be on that short list.
(32:05):
And then the other question is, all right, so if
we do that, then how do the votes counted?
Speaker 2 (32:09):
How does that work?
Speaker 1 (32:11):
The Democrat National Committee would hold its meeting in Washington,
they believe right, based on everything we've been told, and
the votes would be counted there. Ballots would be coded,
they'd be signed and collected by hand. And by the way,
I bet you have to use an ID to make
sure you're voting. If not, I'm going to show up
just say I'm a committee member and see if I
can vote, because remember Democrats don't believe in voter ID voting.
(32:33):
But I bet if they're having a Democrat National Committee meeting,
you're going to have to show some form of ID
before you vote.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
These are going to be coded, signed, and collected by hand.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Now, if a vote were to happen that happened, were
to happen very close to election day, then it gets
even more crazy. All right, So election day's Imember the fifth,
because it would not be possible to meet in person,
So then the meeting would actually be viral.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
So you take everything that I just told you into consideration.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
And what this sounds like to many is this would
be And I'm one of those, it's whether I don't
I don't care how many Democratic journalists, Okay, I don't
care how many editorial boards demand that Joe Biden set
(33:27):
down saying it's time for him to go, that he
can't win without.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Joe Biden doing it himself and walking away.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
This thing gets really really nasty, Okay, Like this thing
gets nasty, It gets ugly. Not not only does it
get ugly, but it but it also I think would
divide the party. You'd have a bunch of people screaming race. Okay,
(33:58):
you'd have a bunch of people screaming, Kamala Harris deserves
this and it's owed this right like that, Like that
would be a large part of this. Like they would
just say it straight up, like, go, hold on, we
are owed this, she's the one. If you don't pick
a woman, right then it's I think it could be
a huge problem as.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Well, like a massive problem.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
So you know, I look at this and what I
see is a whole another level of corruption. The Democratic
Party would have an infighting that you couldn't even imagine.
And I don't believe it would be a coronation at all. Okay,
Like I think this would be a drag out, knock
(34:44):
down fight that could divide the party seventeen ways to Sunday.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
That's just my gut. This would be an ugly, ugly battle.
And then you'd have to sew.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Up the wound triage the Democratic Party and then try
to get them united all behind a candidate. That would
be extremely, extremely, extremely tough job.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
That would be a tough job for anybody.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
But look, if you're in the if you're a feminist
and they pick Gavin Newsom, you're gonna be mad. If
you think a woman should be present, you think it
should be an African American woman, and you should break
that glass ceiling, which the Democratic Party is absolutely obsessed with,
right like they are.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
They're obsessed with that and all of a sudden, it
doesn't go to Kamwa.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Harris like, I think there's gonna be a lot of
African Americans women, specifically the BIC I'm done, like like
I'm out, I'm done, I am done with you.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
I'm gonna Now.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Does that mean they're gona vote for Trump? Of course not, Okay.
I don't think they're gonna go vote for Trump. I
just think they won't vote. I think they'll just go
home or stay home and they'll say I'm done with you, guys.
There's also another part right now that's important, and this
is the last aspect of this that I'm gonna mention,
(36:10):
and that is how much donor fatigue is there right now?
How much donor fatigue is there people that have given
a lot of money and raised a lot of money
and given all this cash to Joe Biden and then
you're basically with a new candidate starting all over. So
they're going to come running to you, going, we need
a bunch of money. Are there going to be a
(36:31):
lot of people they're gonna be excited about giving major donations?
Speaker 6 (36:35):
Right?
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Is there going to be a lot of Democrats? Like yep, No,
I'm in for another half a million. I'm in for
another one hundred thousand. You know, these super packs have
been raising all this money and advocating for Joe Biden.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
You're going to start all over.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
And so when you do, are there going to be
a bunch of donors They're willing to go and basically
revamp up a new campaign for a new candidate who
is in theory way.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Behind Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
You notice I have not mentioned Donald Trump name until
now what forty I mean minutes into this thing.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
That's how good it is.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
By the way, for Donald Trump, this is so complicated
that his name doesn't even come up until forty minutes
into the conversation. Okay, that and Democrats know this, which
then brings me to my final play. There's a chance
that Joe Biden, they could say, let's just try to
get him elected, get across the finish line, Let's try
(37:37):
to do this thing, and then after we elect him,
we'll force him to step down, or the family may
say we'll step down. Now, whether you believe them or not,
that's a different conversation. Okay, whether you believe them or not,
very very very very very very very different conversation.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
You may not believe them, but that could be their plan.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
Hey, we'll get him through, we'll try to knock this out,
and then maybe he'll resign while in office and the
vice president becomes the president. Never underestimate how disgusting and
vile these people in the Democratic Party are. You also
have to remember their socialists, Communists and Marxists, so they
(38:20):
don't really care about like screwing people, Okay, including Joe Biden.
And don't think for a moment that Joe Biden doesn't
know that either.
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Speaker 2 (38:55):
See you back here tomorrow,
So as I come on here right now, the big
question that everybody is asking is is Joe Biden going home?
Is he going to go back to Delaware? Is he
going to just drop out of the race. I want
to be clear, I don't think he's going to drop out.
There's a lot of reporting right now saying that the
President is thinking about dropping out. The Democrats are saying
(00:25):
he's got to drop out. They're losing their minds on TV.
The media is united against him getting out. The Democratic
leadership is united behind getting him out. And Biden met
with Democratic governors and the polls show that he is
slipping in his support.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Now.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
President Biden huddled with a group of more than twenty
Democratic governors in an attempt to stabilize a standing among
his party's leaders. All right, The President was said to
be mowing the future of his candency with key allies,
and a new poll show that Donald Trump had a
widen lead over Joe Biden after the debate disaster. Donald
(01:04):
Trump now leads President Biden forty nine to forty three
percent among likely voters nationally. A new poll shows I
don't care about national polls that much, because yes, it
shows your trend, but it does a meanything because this
all comes down to the electoral College.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
So I look at swing states.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
What I know right now is the president of the
United States of America, Joe Biden is behind Donald Trump
in every single swing state. Now in Michigan, Joe Biden
sought to reassure Democrats that her husband was up to
the job. Not all there were convinced either. As we
are going through this, as they're trying to convince everybody
(01:41):
before July fourth holiday that everything is going to be
just fine. Congressional Democrats have also now become cautious when
defending President Biden's ability to serve and also win reelection
because they're afraid because all of them on the House
side are up for reelection right every two years. They're
that Joe Biden may make them lose some of their seats.
(02:03):
And then the question is who would be the front
runner right now if it Joe Biden does step aside.
I think it's no doubt right now that the front
runner is Kamala Harris. Why because she's the only one
that could actually use the money that's been raised for
the Biden Harris campaign, and it seems very problematic for
someone to come in with no war chest and have
(02:24):
to start at zero. Kamala Harris would start with the
same amount of money that is in their bank account
right now. Harris is also growing the support on social
media among Democrats because I think they also understand that
the campaign is up and running. They don't have to
start something new, and they don't have to start raising
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Now listen to this.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Tim Waltz, Governor, walking out of this meeting at the
White House about eight o'clock on July third, and this
is what he said to the American people.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Doc, thank you, SPID for office, Yes, FIP for office.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
President as three and a half, three and a half
years of delivering for us, going through what we've all
been through. None of us are denying Thursday night was
a bad performance.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
It was a bad Uh. It was a bad.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Hit if you will on that. But it doesn't impact
what I believe he's delivering.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
No, I always say this.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
In November, we've got a clear choice.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
The President was very clear that he is in this
to win this, and the president is going to President
is our nominee, the president is our party leader. And
the President has told us, and he was very clear
back there that he is in this to winness. And
so for people, I would say and listen, we're governors.
We don't do handering. That's not what we do. Governor's
working get things done. Governors say, tell me the objective,
(05:45):
and we're going to make sure that we accomplish the objective.
And so for people who who who are who are concerned,
I just want to be very clear on something. And
come November, we've got a binary choice, and the binary
choices between someone who has continually delivered for us in
our states and the people of our states, and frankly,
someone who's vision for the future of this country is
downright dangerous. And so I would tell people it is
(06:08):
time to mount up, and it is time to get
serious and understands. Did the President explain that his debated
copies to you on Thursday night?
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Did he understand the states?
Speaker 4 (06:25):
Did he speaking?
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah, yeah, he did. He said, Look he didn't he listened.
He didn't listen to himself.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
And I thought he gave a great example when he said, look,
I'm worrying about numbers on this.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
It's about people. It's about their lives.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
This is Joe from Scranton. He talks about building the
middle class. He did it, he delivered. And I think
this idea that you get in your own head, you
get a little bit cycled up on that.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
What we saw it in there today was a guy who.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Was the guy that all of us believed in the
first time who could beat Donald Trump and did beat Donald.
Speaker 6 (06:48):
Trump with.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
That thank you, and they rushed off.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Now those Democratic governors that went before that microphone are
saying in a very united front, he is still our guy.
On TV, however, the Democrats on TV are saying something
very very different. We have a second House Democrat that
is now calling on Biden to drop out of the
twenty twenty four race publicly. Then a third came forward,
(07:16):
Representative Moulton, saying, I have grave concerns that Biden can
beat Trump. So it's not even about the cognitive decline.
It's about, Hey, if this guy's going to lose, he
may make some of us lose. So we're going to
bail on him selfishly because now we no longer like him.
And I want you to hear what CNN said. A
(07:37):
bunch of Democrats on there and they're talking about this.
Speaker 7 (07:41):
Listen, thoughts are because I've heard that message for months,
right that look at the record, and if he just
articulates the record, that will show in the numbers.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
But it hasn't.
Speaker 7 (07:52):
It hasn't shown in the numbers, and those numbers are
getting worse, and he didn't show an ability to make
that case aggressively in the debates, So I wonder where
that leaves us in your view.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Look, I'm just going to be honest.
Speaker 8 (08:05):
I mean, everybody comes on the air and says all
this great stuff, but behind the scenes it's.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Full skill panic.
Speaker 8 (08:11):
People are passing around legal memos, PDFs are flying back
and forth on WhatsApp trying to figure out what are
the options. How can you replace Biden? How do you
get him to do it in a way where he
feels respected as he should be respected. Who should Kamala
Harris's vice president be. The conversation on air and the
conversation off air are completely different. And so it's the
(08:33):
same thing with you saw with the Trump situation where
people would come on air and defend Trump and then
you talk to people and then we got a crazy candidate.
We don't have a crazy candidate. We have a great candidate.
We have a beautiful man. We have someone who loves
this country. We have someone who has given his all,
I mean his all to the last drop for this country.
But he may not be able to get across.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
The finish line.
Speaker 8 (08:52):
And a mature party has to take that into account,
and that is what's happening. And so look, I understand
people want to, you know, to defend them and protect
him and give him their space and the dignity to
make his own choice. But there is a big conversation
happening right now about how this happens, not.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Weather, How this happens not weather.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
You notice how now, all of a sudden this has
started to really change the dynamic. Here they're saying, I
want to get rid of him, and I want to
get rid of him right now, and he has to
understand that it's time for us to get rid of him,
and we need him to go away, and we need
him to do it in a responsible manner, and we're
going to push him. Then you have those the White
(09:33):
House who are saying, well, maybe he doesn't need to go,
maybe it's too hard. And then the question is does Harris.
If Harris is the one that's going to get everything right,
like all the money and she becomes a candidate, does
she have a better chance against Donald Trump? That is
a fair question that also needs to be asked now.
By the way, on a side note, the White House
(09:54):
is not helping Okay, the White House is not doing
a very good job of helping at all, right now,
when they're asked basic questions. Listen to White House Press
Secretary being asked about the new excuse that Joe Biden
suffered from jetlag and that's why he didn't do well
at the last debate.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Thank you.
Speaker 9 (10:15):
There's no question that international travel can be rigorous. I
think the confusion is that he's still suffering from the
effects of.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
That nearly two weeks later.
Speaker 10 (10:23):
So he articulated a little bit about, like, do you
guys usually have accommodations for him after he does a trip,
that he's going to have jet lag for that long
a period of time.
Speaker 6 (10:34):
So can you can you when you say two weeks later,
what do you.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Mean the debate?
Speaker 9 (10:38):
He arrives back in the United States twelve or thirteen
days before the debate, So his explanation for a for
debate performance is jetlag.
Speaker 6 (10:45):
So what I want to say is it's the jetlag
and also the cold, right. It is the two things,
and that occurred, and you all heard it in his
voice when he did the debate, right, and it is
even something that we shared ahead of time. You heard
it in his voice, and we confirmed it, and I
think that's important to note as well, like it is
(11:07):
the jet lag and the cold. But I want to
be really I want to be really clear here. This
is not an excuse, right, This is not an excuse.
You all asked for an explanation, and we get we're
giving it an explanation.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
It is not an excuse.
Speaker 6 (11:19):
I don't want that to be the leading piece of
this ask for the only reason we're sharing this because
it was asked of me here and the President certainly
wanted to give an explanation himself, and that's what he
did yesterday. We want to We understand that it wasn't
his best night.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
It wasn't a great debate.
Speaker 6 (11:37):
We understand that, and we understand what supporters saw, what
the American people saw, and what you all saw, and
so we wanted to give an explanation. So I don't
want to get into this or are you giving this excuse?
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Not an excuse, We're giving you.
Speaker 6 (11:52):
What our explanation was. We want to continue to make
sure that we do everything that we can to deliver
the American people. That's what we're going to continue to do.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
I mean, this is one of those when you just
gotta laugh. Joe Biden. They're saying, the reason why I
had a bad debate is because he suffered from jetlag,
and that would have been fourteen days before the debate,
two weeks before the debate. They're saying, well, we had jetlag,
and so therefore that's why I had a bad night
is because of the jet lag from two weeks prior vacation.
(12:29):
But we're not making excuses. If I was Joe Biden,
by the way, I'd be firing the White House pres
secretary right now because she's only making you look like
you're more incompetent. The fallout from the debate this past
week continues, and there are a lot of people that
have been asking me what is going to happen, and
(12:51):
there's a lot of different scenarios. So I'm going to
break it down for you so you understand exactly what
could happen here.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
After what was.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Described by Reuters as the president's quote shaky performance at
the debate with Donald Trump on Thursday night, Democrats then
began to openly question whether he should be replaced as
a candidate for the twenty twenty four election. There is
a process for doing so, but to be very clear,
(13:22):
so everyone understands that process it's going to be extremely messy.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
The other question is how does it work.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Reuters spoke with a senior fellow at the Brookings It's
two think tank, a Democratic National Committee member and the
author of the book Primary Politics about the presidential nominating process,
and they asked the question that everyone's asking, how would
it work? So what options do the Democrats have. Let's
start with that the Democratic Party has had no real
(13:55):
plan b for Biden.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
As its presidential candidate.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
He ran virtually unopposed for the party's presidential nomination. They
decided that they decided to basically shut everybody out, tell
everybody not to run against him in a primary. He
will not be nominated officially, however, until later this summer
at the Democratic National Convention. So the reality is, yes,
(14:21):
there is still time to make a change. And then
that's where the handful, yeah, not one or two, but
a handful of scenarios become possible realities. Now here's the
easiest path to replace Joe Biden. So you understand, Biden
could just decide by himself. And as you know, there's
(14:42):
reports that he's having a meeting with his closest advisors
and his family Sunday right had this big meeting that
they put out to decide and to talk about the
future of the campaign. There could be and we're hearing
that quote the money has dried up, people are not
willing to give. They also are gonna be looking at
(15:04):
polling and internal polling numbers decide is there a pathway
for the president and not just a pathway, but is
there a way that they could turn this ship around
after the dismal performance. Now, I will say this to
be clear, Joe Biden and the team made sure that
Joe Biden was out there right after these debates and
(15:26):
not into hiding like he usually is. I've seen more
of Joe Biden in the past week than I have
seen probably in the last six months.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Joe Biden is out.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
There, and they're treating him like he is a candidate
right now running for office. Now he may actually have
to be a real candidate now, not just kind of
show up here and there. He's gonna have to go
full speed ahead and look at a lot of donors
in the eyes, and meet with a lot of people
and ask for a lot of favors. He's not gonna
be able to just do this by sitting at the
(15:56):
White House, taking naps and working a noon to or schedule.
So again, Biden could just straight up decide himself, I'm
gonna step.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Aside before I'm nominated at the convention.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
He could be challenged by the way by others who
try to win over the delegates that he has accrued,
and that would be basically like a coup attempt by
the Democratic Party internally. Or he could withdraw after the
Democratic conventions in Chicago in August, leaving the Democratic National
Committee to elect someone.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
To run against Trump in his place.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
So those are the real scenarios that are at play here.
So the next question is obviously this what happens next? Well,
right now, the process largely depends on Joe Biden. So
what I would say is, it doesn't really matter what
any of the Democrats say.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
It's gonna be up to Joe Biden.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Now he would have to agree to step down or
face a challenger this late in the process. He would
then try to force him to then basically get out
of the race. Biden and the team around him so
far have shown zero indications except for this meeting with
a family and that could just be to say, hey,
we met, we decided we're going to stick in this thing.
(17:13):
But we had a serious meeting to placate some Democrats.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
That are losing their minds.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
But in reality, every signal is going to Joe Biden
is not wanting to step aside, and no opponents have
said they would come and challenge him directly at the convention.
In fact, there haven't even been leaks of those types
of conversations. So that should also tell you something. Now
you got to ask yourself then this question, who would
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even his top political opponents in the Democratic Party is
potential replacements be whether and I'm not rooting for these people,
I'm just telling you the reality. Number one would be
Vice President Kamala Harris. Because she is the vice president,
she's second in line, she's already running with him. It
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would make sense that Kamwa Harris would be the nominee.
The problem is she's hated by many Democrats and the
polling numbers for her are absolutely dismal. So again she's
number one in theory on paper. Then number two would
obviously be California Governor Gavin Newsom. The problem with Gavin
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Newsom is you would be basically replacing an African American
woman with a white, rich dude from California. I don't
know how that's going to go over with minority voters,
specifically African Americans and women in the Democratic Party. That's
number two now, Gavin Newsom, just to be clear, and
(18:45):
some would say this was him being a good soldier,
but he spoke passionately in his defense after the debate,
serving as a surrogate role and showcasing his support. Now
he also, I think looked really good to Democrats. It
saw him because he contrasted what Joe Biden had just
done on stage.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
And was faltering.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
So one looks crisp and clean and new and energetic
in Newsome, and the other looks old SENI island Well,
I mean lost his dead gumb mine. Now here's the
other question. What happens if Joe Biden steps down? He
just comes out and says, all right, I'm out. It's
(19:28):
a fair question.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
The answer.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Biden has spent the last several months accruing about four
thousand Democratic delegates by winning primary elections in US states
and territories. Those delegates would normally vote for him, but
the rules do not bind or force them to do so.
Delegates of the convention can vote with their conscience, which
(19:52):
means they can throw their vote to someone else. So
if Biden says, hey, I'm releasing the delegates. Okay, all
four thousand plus of you, I'm releasing you, and I'm
gonna release you, and you get to step I'm gonna
step aside, then there could be a throwdown competition among
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other Democratic candidates become the nominee. In theory, at the
Democratic Convention, that would play out like a movie. That
could be good or bad for the Democrats, depending on
if they do it well. If there's a grand debate,
it could help the person coming out of there, or
it could completely divide the Democratic Party and ruin their
chances come November. It's a very risky game, so that
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would be the easiest, easiest path. Biden releases the delegates,
so I'm stepping aside, and there could be a coronation.
They could say it's gonna be Kamla and that could
be the end of that, or they could say it's
gonna be Gavin Newsom, or there could be an all
out war. But ultimately it's gonna come down to Biden.
In that scenario, who would replace Joe Biden. Several candidates
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could step into the fray. There is obviously no number one.
Kama Harris would be in theory the number one. I
mentioned that a moment ago, but she doesn't really She's
not really number one because people.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Don't really like her.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
And so Harris would almost certainly be at the top
of the list just because she's the vice president. It's
the natural progression of power and the Democratic Party when
they ran, it's like, well, she would be a great
vice president in case thing happened in the president right,
like it's all there on paper. But she's got her
own problems. She's got her own problems at a rocky start.
(21:39):
She can't keep people around to work for her. That's
another problem. She apparently is impossible to work for the Democrats.
Insiders can't stand her and how much of a diva
she is, and that's putting it nicely.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
The turnover in her staff is just horrendous.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
It's basically like, you get a job working for it's
like congratulations if you started sitting out resumes. Yet it's
almost like you go to get a job with Kamwa
and then you immediately start looking for your next job,
because you know you're going to want to die if
you don't get out of there quickly. Now, let's also
talk about what the US Constitution says.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
All right, this is important.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
The US Constitution dictates the vice president become president if
the president dies.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Or becomes incapacitated.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
But it is not way in on an inner party
process for choosing a nominee at the convention.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
That's why I say it's open season.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
So let's go through the list, because it is bigger
than Kamala Harris. Right on that list, California governor news
from that would be I think probably the top of
the list, Michigan governor because a lot of people say
they want a woman. By golly, they thought it was
gonna be Hillary Clinton, break that glass ceiling and feminists
out there right So Michigan Governor, Gretchen Whitmer, Kentucky Governor
(22:56):
Andy Masher, Illinois governor it's j is it in it?
Speaker 2 (23:01):
JB? Yes? JB. Pritz KERR.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
They've all been pushed on social media by Democrats as
possible replacements. Now they are Biden supporters and campaign surrogates
who are working to help get them elected in theory
until the debate happened this week, and then maybe they
were like, all right, I need to start looking out
for my own best interest, not his anymore. And so
(23:26):
they may be working the phones behind the scenes. Now
the next question that people ask is this, So, how
would a nominee be chosen?
Speaker 2 (23:34):
It's a great question. This is how it's going to work.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
There would likely be a free for all of sorts
between the Democratic heavyweights that were vying for the job.
Candidates would have to get signatures from six hundred convention
delegates to be nominated. They're expected to be about four
six and seventy two delegates at the Democratic Convention for
(23:59):
this year. They're including three thousand, nine and thirty three
pledge delegates in seven hundred and thirty nine automatic or
super delegates. This is according to the latest numbers that
we have. So you got to even get on the ballot.
If Biden was a step down, you'd got it. You'd
(24:19):
have to go to the convention, you'd have to suck
up to a bunch of people, and you'd have to
get at least six hundred signatures to be nominated. Now,
once you're nominated, you're still short of the majority, right,
you just need six hundred to get in the game.
I think most of these people will be able to
pull that off, Like Gavin NEOs would be able to
get a lot of those just from California alone. Michigan
Governor Whitman would be able to get a lot from her.
(24:40):
Kentucky governor, same thing, Illinois governor, same thing. So you'd
go to your home state first and go, hey, nominate me.
I need all your signatures, and then you'd find enough.
So there's it wouldn't be shocking if all of these
people got a shot at it. In theory, it doesn't
mean you're gonna get close to the number needed of
delegates actually get the nomination at the convention. Now here's
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the other part that's very important. So you know how
this works. If no one gets a majority of the delegates,
then there would be a.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Quote broker convention. You may have heard brokered convention.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
It was something talked about in twenty sixteen a lot
when Donald Trump they were talking about the possibility of
a brokered convention in Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
I was there for that when it was going on.
It was insane. Now, what is a brokered convention?
Speaker 1 (25:26):
It is in which the delegates act as in essence,
free agents and negotiate with a party leadership to come
up with a nominee. Now, there's a lot of backscratching
and corruption you could call it, that goes on when
that happens, right, Like, there's a delegates really important, and
then what happens is some people they will team up
with a and become like a group like Latino delegates
(25:48):
or African American delegates or delegates from New York or
delegates from California. Why because there's power numbers. And then
it comes down to the bigger issue of hey, what
do I get in return? Because I'm now way more
important to you than winning a state on Super Tuesday
for example. Like think about the power these four thousand,
(26:10):
six hundred and seventy two delegates have if some of
them start teaming up into voting box, right, Well, I
mean there's people that could literally say, hey, if you
get if we give this to you, I want a
job at the White House or at the DD or
the FBI or the DJ whatever it may be, right,
I want to There's and there's leaders within the group
(26:32):
that may bring that group together and what they may
do is. They may say, Hey, I want to be
an ambassador to I don't know, like some amazing country
you know where I can just go hang out. I
want to go be a you know, open up a
consulate somewhere. For example, if I bring you fifteen votes
or thirty votes or sixty three votes, right, delegates, what
(26:52):
do I get in return for that?
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Right?
Speaker 1 (26:54):
I've heard being the ambassador of Bermuda is really nice.
Would love to be an ambassador to a really chill
country for example. Now, if no one gets the majority
of the delegates, then you have the broker convention.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Everybody's a free agents.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Now the rules would be established, by the way, and
there would be a rogue call vote for the names
placed into the nomination process at the convention.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
And this gets insane.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Why because it could take many rounds of voting for
someone to get a majority and become the nominating I
remember the House speakership fight that we had recently and
how crazy that got. That would look mild in comparison
to a broker convention. At the Democratic convention, it would
(27:41):
be insane. I've been to several, as I've covered and
had to commentate Democrat conventions Okay, I've never enjoyed going
to the Democrat convention because obviously I'm an outsider and
they hate me because I'm a hardcore conservative. But I've gone,
and I can tell you if there's a broken convention,
I actually wish I was going. I have no plans
(28:03):
to be a Democratic convention this year, but I'd actually
regret not going and saying, all right, I want to
go and now do TV from there and radio from there,
because it's going to be so insane now it could
take several rounds. The next question is, hey, when was
the last broker convention? Well, the last broker convention when
(28:23):
Democrats failed to nominate a candidate on.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
The first ballot was all the way back.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
In nineteen fifty two, So it's been a long time, folks,
since this has happened. The other question I get asked
is this what happens if Biden steps down after the convention,
not before. If Biden steps down after the August convention,
the four hundred and thirty five members of the Democratic
(28:51):
National Committee would then choose a new candidate. Every one
of them becomes very powerful, very quickly, and the same
thing that I would expect to happen at the convention
with the delegates, would happen within these members of the
Democratic National Committee, because there's going to be a lot
of those conversations what do I get? Right, hey, Gavin,
(29:12):
you want my vote? What do I get? Because this
is all about power. If you're a member of the
Democratic National Committee, you're doing it for personal gain.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
You're not doing it for like service to your country.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Right, You're you clearly are are somebody that wants to
be involved in the Democratic Party and you want to
be powerful, and that's why you're a member.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Well, this is what would happen.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
The members would all get together, four hundred and thirty
five of them, and they would meet in a special
session and then they would select who the nominee would be.
Since it was after the convention, so all those delegates
of the convention basically would lose all of their power.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Right, so their leverage is only.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Good up until the end of the convention, and once the
convention's over, it's game over.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Now.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
You may say, all right, well, then who the hell
are these four hundred and thirty five Democratic National Committee members. Well,
the answer simple, They are divided quote equally between men
and women.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Because Democratic Party is everything.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
That way, right, as well as various constituency groups including
labor unions and their leaders, lgbt QIA plus plus plus
plus plus representatives, and racial minorities now other totals. Seventy
(30:37):
five of these four hundred and thirty five DNC members
are appointed at large by the chair, while the rest
are elected in their respective states. So the argument would be, hey,
we have representation from every state in America and the
Democratic you know committee, we all are here, Let's decide
who our nominees going to be.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Now, who could nominate an alternative? In that case? Is
the next question?
Speaker 6 (31:03):
Right?
Speaker 1 (31:03):
If there's a big fight, well, to nominate a candidate
to replace Biden on the ballot, this is what has
to happen.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Number one, The person would have to have the support of.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
A minimum number of Democratic National Committee members. That number
and this is a guest because the number can change,
but it's going to be somewhere around at.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Least sixty of the four thirty five.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
The exact number would be determined, by the way, by
the DNC's Rules Committee, which would lay out the rules
for the proceedings before they started. So there's a lot
of just insanity that could happen even there, but the
number that most people believe would be around the.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Number would be around sixty.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
There would likely be nominating speeches by anyone that was
going to be nominated, and then seconding speeches by people
that why they're nominating the person. Now, multiple candidates, by
the way, could be nominated before the list is what
will down to the real front runners? I think we
all know who's going to be on that short list.
(32:05):
And then the other question is, all right, so if
we do that, then how do the votes counted?
Speaker 2 (32:09):
How does that work?
Speaker 1 (32:11):
The Democrat National Committee would hold its meeting in Washington,
they believe right, based on everything we've been told, and
the votes would be counted there. Ballots would be coded,
they'd be signed and collected by hand. And by the way,
I bet you have to use an ID to make
sure you're voting. If not, I'm going to show up
just say I'm a committee member and see if I
can vote, because remember Democrats don't believe in voter ID voting.
(32:33):
But I bet if they're having a Democrat National Committee meeting,
you're going to have to show some form of ID
before you vote.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
These are going to be coded, signed, and collected by hand.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Now, if a vote were to happen that happened, were
to happen very close to election day, then it gets
even more crazy. All right, So election day's Imember the fifth,
because it would not be possible to meet in person,
So then the meeting would actually be viral.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
So you take everything that I just told you into consideration.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
And what this sounds like to many is this would
be And I'm one of those, it's whether I don't
I don't care how many Democratic journalists, Okay, I don't
care how many editorial boards demand that Joe Biden set
(33:27):
down saying it's time for him to go, that he
can't win without.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Joe Biden doing it himself and walking away.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
This thing gets really really nasty, Okay, Like this thing
gets nasty, It gets ugly. Not not only does it
get ugly, but it but it also I think would
divide the party. You'd have a bunch of people screaming race. Okay,
(33:58):
you'd have a bunch of people screaming, Kamala Harris deserves
this and it's owed this right like that, Like that
would be a large part of this. Like they would
just say it straight up, like, go, hold on, we
are owed this, she's the one. If you don't pick
a woman, right then it's I think it could be
a huge problem as.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Well, like a massive problem.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
So you know, I look at this and what I
see is a whole another level of corruption. The Democratic
Party would have an infighting that you couldn't even imagine.
And I don't believe it would be a coronation at all. Okay,
Like I think this would be a drag out, knock
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down fight that could divide the party seventeen ways to Sunday.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
That's just my gut. This would be an ugly, ugly battle.
And then you'd have to sew.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Up the wound triage the Democratic Party and then try
to get them united all behind a candidate. That would
be extremely, extremely, extremely tough job.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
That would be a tough job for anybody.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
But look, if you're in the if you're a feminist
and they pick Gavin Newsom, you're gonna be mad. If
you think a woman should be present, you think it
should be an African American woman, and you should break
that glass ceiling, which the Democratic Party is absolutely obsessed with,
right like they are.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
They're obsessed with that and all of a sudden, it
doesn't go to Kamwa.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Harris like, I think there's gonna be a lot of
African Americans women, specifically the BIC I'm done, like like
I'm out, I'm done, I am done with you.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
I'm gonna Now.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Does that mean they're gona vote for Trump? Of course not, Okay.
I don't think they're gonna go vote for Trump. I
just think they won't vote. I think they'll just go
home or stay home and they'll say I'm done with you, guys.
There's also another part right now that's important, and this
is the last aspect of this that I'm gonna mention,
(36:10):
and that is how much donor fatigue is there right now?
How much donor fatigue is there people that have given
a lot of money and raised a lot of money
and given all this cash to Joe Biden and then
you're basically with a new candidate starting all over. So
they're going to come running to you, going, we need
a bunch of money. Are there going to be a
(36:31):
lot of people they're gonna be excited about giving major donations?
Speaker 6 (36:35):
Right?
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Is there going to be a lot of Democrats? Like yep, No,
I'm in for another half a million. I'm in for
another one hundred thousand. You know, these super packs have
been raising all this money and advocating for Joe Biden.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
You're going to start all over.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
And so when you do, are there going to be
a bunch of donors They're willing to go and basically
revamp up a new campaign for a new candidate who
is in theory way.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Behind Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
You notice I have not mentioned Donald Trump name until
now what forty I mean minutes into this thing.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
That's how good it is.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
By the way, for Donald Trump, this is so complicated
that his name doesn't even come up until forty minutes
into the conversation. Okay, that and Democrats know this, which
then brings me to my final play. There's a chance
that Joe Biden, they could say, let's just try to
get him elected, get across the finish line, Let's try
(37:37):
to do this thing, and then after we elect him,
we'll force him to step down, or the family may
say we'll step down. Now, whether you believe them or not,
that's a different conversation. Okay, whether you believe them or not,
very very very very very very very different conversation.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
You may not believe them, but that could be their plan.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
Hey, we'll get him through, we'll try to knock this out,
and then maybe he'll resign while in office and the
vice president becomes the president. Never underestimate how disgusting and
vile these people in the Democratic Party are. You also
have to remember their socialists, Communists and Marxists, so they
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don't really care about like screwing people, Okay, including Joe Biden.
And don't think for a moment that Joe Biden doesn't
know that either.
Speaker 11 (38:31):
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