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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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for Kamala Harris. It was really a rollout in a
sense where she could be challenged. What we quickly saw though,

(04:10):
was a three on one debate against Donald Trump and
ABC News. What an end kind donation they gave.

Speaker 4 (04:18):
Yeah, the ABC moderators did not do a good job
that They clearly were biased towards Kamala Harris. We saw
that from their live quote fact checking, where repeatedly they'd
follow up what Trump said by contradicting him, by disputing him.
Many instances their fact checks were wrong and they never
never could be bothered a fact check a word that

(04:38):
came out of Kamala Harris's mouth. It was very one
sided on that front. But look, ABC News was the
least consequential part of tonight. What tonight illustrated is that
Kamala Harris is utterly incapable of defending her own record.
And what we saw tonight this was her stump speech,

(05:02):
and this was her DNC convention speech cut into sound
bites and repeated. She memorized a series of vignettes, a
series of little segments, and just repeated those talking points
at nauseum. And it really became clear with the very
first question of the night, and the first question of
the night that David Muir asked her, is the question

(05:24):
that you and I and Monday's podcast said is the
single most important question of the debate and really of
every election, which is are you better off than you
were four years ago? And to Mere's credit, he started
with that question, are people off today than they were
four years ago?

Speaker 3 (05:42):
Under Trump? Now?

Speaker 4 (05:43):
Interestingly enough, Kamala refused to answer it at all. She
didn't say yes, she didn't say people's lives are better,
she said nothing at all. Instead, she had a little
memorized set piece about how I was raised in a
middle class family. I was raised with a mom who
loved me and struggled, and we just talked about her
bio and gave just just empty platitudes that continued for

(06:08):
the entire night. And so look, we saw this evening
why it is that Kamala's campaign team keeps her hidden
in Joe Biden's basement, Why they just bring her out?
Have a read from a teleprompter, and then they tackle
her and throw back in the basement, because all right,
let's take the very simple question. She didn't say, yes,

(06:30):
you're better off than you were four years ago. Why, well,
you really can't, Like it's impossible to defend on every front. Inflation.
All let's just take inflation in the economy. Her policies
and Joe Biden's policies have been disastrous America. The working
people of America have seen the price of just about
everything go up, from food to electricity, to rent, to lumber,

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to healthcare, to gasoline, to mortgages, everything go up. And critically,
this is where her record matters. Kamala Harris was the
tie breaking vote multiple times on the floor of the
Senate on trillions of dollars of the out of control
spending from this administration that has caused this inflation. She

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was literally, without her vote, the trillions of dollars that
we borrowed in the trillions of dollars that Joe Biden
and Kamala Harris ran the printing presses on that drove
this inflation. That doesn't happen, And she can't defend that.
She doesn't have a good answer when it comes to
energy and gas prices, people are hurting because of gas

(07:38):
price as well. It is her policies, in Joe Biden's policies,
that has waged war systematically on oil and gas production
and American energy, and she can't defend that either, and
so instead she simply says, well, we're going to lower
energy prices, We're going to lower gas prices, and with
no acknowledgment that Wait a second, she is, in fact

(08:02):
the sitting vice president and who knows where the heck
the actual president is besides passed out asleep on a beach.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
When you see, I think the strategy and now it
actually I think makes more sense, right, like just hide
her buy ads, get the media to cover for you
and protect you at all costs, and maybe that is
a winning strategy, which comes to the obviously the next
big question, should there be another debate?

Speaker 1 (08:28):
Do you believe there will be?

Speaker 2 (08:29):
In the other debate, they were obviously in the Harris
camp implying that there was a big victory tonight, saying
that was fun, let's do it again, and threw out
another date, signaling from her campaign they want to tee
it up again and go toe to toe with Donald
Trump again. Is that the right move for her?

Speaker 4 (08:48):
Well, listen, I think Trump should absolutely accept that offer
for another debate. They should jump on it and say
let's go. I think the debate is a valuable opportunity
to calmly litigate her actual record. And let me say
this though, even if Trump does follow that advice and

(09:09):
does accept the debate, I think there's very little chance
it happens. I think Kamala's team will back out on it.
I think they're mostly just puffing out their chest and
boasting right now with the offer of another debate, I
think there is no world in which they let her
do a second debate.

Speaker 3 (09:25):
I think it's back to the basement.

Speaker 4 (09:27):
And if I were to predict, we're not going to
see Kamala emerge from the basement until election day. It's
like the groundhog until she sees her shadow on election day.
She doesn't get to come out of the basement other
than to show up at a rally here and there
and read from the teleprompter the same speech. But they
want to keep her absolutely controlled and repeating. And listen,

(09:50):
I will say the Democrat Party has very good message masters.
They have very good This is the party of Hollywood.
This is the party of storytellers. Her memory I set pieces.
Some of them are pretty effective. They're disconnected from reality.
They don't acknowledge any facts on earth. But if you
just listen to them, they are calmly reassuring.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
They sound nice. And it's why.

Speaker 4 (10:15):
Look, this is the same reaction I had with her
convention speech. It's dangerous as hell, because if you're not
paying close attention, what she says sounds nice unless she
is forced to confront her actual own record. And in
the entire debate, the ABC moderators never once pointed out
that her record is exactly the opposite of what she

(10:38):
said on the debate stage, over and over again.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
So when I watched the debate, the question I always
ask myself is Okay, if I was going in a
night voting for Donald Trump, was I convinced by Kamala
Harris that I should switch my vote? The answer honestly
is no. And if I'm a Kamala Harris voter and
was going into the night watching Kamala Harris saying I'm
going to vote for her, going to switch my vote

(11:00):
to Donald Trump tonight, honestly, probably not. Does that mean
that this is a draw in essence, where hey, Donald
Trump's team they walk out of this going Okay, maybe
we could have done a little better on this that
or the other. Maybe we'll work on that for the
next subby, but we didn't do any harm and we
got out. Are some good points. Kamma's team probably says, hey,

(11:21):
we had it, we survived the night we had you
in hiding in the basement. Is this one of those
debates that we both said was one of the most
important ever?

Speaker 1 (11:28):
But could in theory be a draw?

Speaker 2 (11:30):
Because really, you're if the if the barometer is I'm
trying to change hearts and minds.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
Did anyone's mind change tonight?

Speaker 4 (11:39):
Well, Kamala's team and all of our cheerleaders in the
corporate media are going to relentlessly hype that she won,
that she won, that she won. And by the way,
they were going to say that whatever happened, she could
literally fall to the ground and start screaming and wailing
and kicking her feet in the air and they would
say she won, So that that was going to be
the narrative. Regardless, I will say, what we learned is

(11:59):
she doesn't have a good answer to her own record.
The Trump campaign needs to continue to prosecute the case.
So let's take, for example, there was a hole back
and forth on abortion, and Trump said accurately that she
supports late term abortions into the eighth and ninth months
of pregnancy, and she just said, over and over again, no,

(12:20):
I don't know, I don't that's false, that's false, and
the moderators sat there like potted plants. Well, it so
happens that Kamala actually has a record, and in particular,
she has voted for legislation on the floor of the
Senate to strike down every single restriction on abortion in
the country and to legalize abortion in the eighth and

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ninth months up to the moment of birth. That is
her actual voting record, what she has voted for. There
was another exchange where Trump points out that the governor
of Virginia, the former governor of Virginia, Ralph Northam, had
advocated for post birth abortion, and she out lied and said, no, no,
he didn't know.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
He didn't play that because we have that clip. And
this is why I love doing the show, is we
get to play it. This is Northam on the radio
on WTP saying what she said and the media said
never happened.

Speaker 5 (13:18):
If a mother is in labor, I can tell you
exactly what would happen. The infant would be delivered, the
infant would be kept comfortable, the infant would be resuscitated
if that's what the mother and the family desired, and
then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mothers.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
I mean, where's the fact check for ABC News on that? Senator?

Speaker 4 (13:40):
Yeah, and understand Ralph Northam, he was a Democrat governor
of Virginia. He was also someone whose medical school yearbook
featured a picture of a klansman. That's another part of
Ralph Northm's background. But he was also an o BG
y N. So he was actually talking about as a
doctor who presumably has done that. He was describing the approach,

(14:03):
and that is delivering a baby. The baby is alive,
is breathing, is outside the mother's womb, and he's talking
about just letting the baby die. And again, this is
where records matter. Kamala has a record on this. So
when she says that's ridiculous, that's no, no, no, no, no,
that's not true. Well, Kamala Harris voted against the born
alive Infant Protection Act, and that was a bill that

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we voted on the floor of the Senate that said
if during the course of an attempted abortion, the child
is delivered, the child is born, and this happens, and
the child is alive and breathing and outside the womb,
that the doctor cannot just let the baby die. And
she voted no. Now, as you noted, ABC did in

(14:48):
fact check her on that, her voting record is very
clear and this was a pattern over and over and
over again on energy. So her big train now on
energy as she's run away from her long held position
opposing fracking. Okay, fine, so she's like, yeah, I just
flip flopped on that. What ABC didn't point out is, well,

(15:11):
wait a second, your repeated statements about banning fracking. That's
not the only thing you've done on energy. First week
in office, you and Joe Biden shut down the Keystone Pipeline.
Joe Biden when he was campaigning for president, promised to
shut down drilling on shore, on federal lands and offshore.
You put in over ninety different regulations and executive orders

(15:31):
attacking oil and gas production in the United States. That
has had a very direct effect driving up cost. Your
administration banned new permits exporting liquid natural gas, like her
record on energy is terrible, and she has no answer
to that. And by the way, Trump did a good

(15:52):
job on this point of saying, listen, you banned the
Keystone pipeline and gave a giant gift of Vladimir Putin
by allowing him to complete the nord Stream two pipeline,
which caused the war in Ukraine. And that's something you
and I have talked about in this podcast a lot.
It was my legislation in the Senate that sanctioned Nordstream
two and shut it down. Trump signed my legislation and

(16:15):
Putin literally stopped building the nord Stream two pipeline the
day that Trump signed my sanctions legislation. In the law,
Nordstream two was a dead hunk of metal at the
bottom of the ocean until Joe Biden and Kamala Harris
came into office and they demonstrated weakness and and they
waived the sanctions on nord Stream two, and it was
a multi billion dollar gift to Russia, and it caused

(16:40):
the war in Ukraine. None of that does she have
an answer for.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
We just got in the official number. ABC News fact
check Donald Trump seven times, not one time the debate.
Did they fact check Kamala Harris not once? So that's
the official tally now is seven times on Trump. That's
three on one, and I do think that's gonna have

(17:07):
a turn off. I would hope to some of those voters,
maybe in the middle, the undecideds, which very much can
be the deciding factor in this election. Will that play
with undecideds? Do you think did they see the bias
that you and I saw?

Speaker 4 (17:22):
They saw that some, but I think they also go
in expecting the media to be biased. So I don't
think anyone is surprised that ABC is a left wing
mouthpiece for the Democrats. That's been the case, sadly for
a long time. For ABCNBCCBSC and AN, MSNBC, all of
them have been mouthpieces for the Democrats. So yes, they
saw it, but again they're not surprised. Look, the critical

(17:46):
thing that we saw tonight is is she doesn't have
a good answer on the chaos at our southern border.
Kamala Harris was the borders are. She is directly responsible
for the worst level of eli immigration in our nation's history.
She is directly responsible for the people who have died.

(18:07):
Eight hundred and fifty three migrants died last year crossing
illegalian in this country. She is responsible for the people,
the women who have been brutally raped. She's responsible for
the children who have been brutalized. She's responsible for the
little boys and little girls who've been horribly assaulted by
human traffickers. She's responsible for the one hundred and ten
thousand Americans who died last year of drug overdoses. She

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is responsible for the murderers that she and Joe Biden
had in their custody. Murderers like the illegal alien murder
of Lake and Riley that she and Joe Biden had
in custody, and they released murderers like the illegal alien
murderer of Rachel Morin. That illegal alien was in her custody,
she released them. Murderers like the illegal alien murderers of

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Joscelyn Hungary. Both of them were in her custody and
she and Joe Biden released them. And so that record,
she was not forced tonight to answer for any of
that record and that but but it demonstrated that she
does not have a good response. And and that's what

(19:16):
I think the next two months, the Trump campaign has
to prosecute systematically based on the facts. Here is her record,
Here is what she has done, and it hasn't worked.
It has failed, and the American people are worse off
as a result of the failures of her extreme policies.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
You mentioned Donald Trump's got to bring up some more
of this stuff, and I think you and I have
talked about this, but let's just remind people since Kamayers
took off as total prices are up over twenty percent,
car insurance up fifty four percent, hotels are up say
when you were in a hotel fifty one point two percent,
Gases up fifty point fifty percent, fuel oil is up

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forty nine point one, transportation up thirty two point nine.
Electricity is up thirty one point seven percent. Baby food's
up over thirty percent, eating out of up twenty five percent,
airfare up twenty three percent, rent up twenty two percent,
and groceries are up about twenty two percent as well.
That's what they've got to focus on, every single one

(20:20):
of his surrogate's not all this other and the weed stuff.
I really do believe they've got to keep it simple
for the American voter, especially if you're trying to go
after undecided.

Speaker 4 (20:32):
Sure, and that's what we talked about in Monday's pod,
that the focus needs to be on.

Speaker 3 (20:37):
Harms, harms, harms.

Speaker 4 (20:39):
How are people's lives worth aught worse off because of
the horrible policies that Kamala Harris is directly responsible for.
And that's true on inflation, she was literally the tie
breaking vote behind the trillions of spending that unleash this inflation.
It's true on energy, she and Joe Biden, and it

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has been their executive orders and their regulations that have
driven up energy prices.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
And it's true on the border.

Speaker 4 (21:07):
And and let me play there that there was one
of the best exchanges with something Trump said on the
border where he made the point that that that that listened,
she could secure the border today, and and and and
and listen listen to this what he said to her.

Speaker 6 (21:20):
Right now, I would say we would both leave this
debate right now. I'd like to see her go down
to Washington, D C. During this debate, because we're wasting
a lot of time.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
Go down to.

Speaker 6 (21:32):
Because she's been so bad, it's so ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
Go down to Washington, D C.

Speaker 6 (21:36):
And let her sign a bill to close up the border,
because they have the right to do it.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
They don't need bills.

Speaker 6 (21:42):
They have the right to do the President of the
United States, you'll get them out of bed.

Speaker 3 (21:46):
You'll wake them up at four o'clock in the afternoon.

Speaker 6 (21:48):
You'll say, come on, come on down to the office,
let's sign a bill.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
It was a great moment in the debate.

Speaker 4 (21:54):
Yeah, look, that point is very powerful. And understand, this
invasion at our southern border, it is happening right now today.
There are hundreds, if not thousands of illegal immigrants crossing
the border right now today today Joe Biden and Kamala
Harris are apprehending hundreds, if not thousands of illegal aliens

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and they're going to release them tomorrow. There are criminals
they're going to release tomorrow. There are murderers they're going
to release going forward. There are rapists, there are child molestors,
and they keep on doing it. And the point Trump
is making, and listen, his campaign needs to follow this
up by explaining, by really explaining. Look, when Joe Biden

(22:37):
and Kamala Harris came into office, they inherited the lowest
rate of illegal immigration in forty five years Donald Trump.
I worked hand in hand with President Trump to secure
the border, and we had incredible success. When Trump was president,
the border was secure, and it was unilateral executive actions

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that caused this crisis. Three to decisions that Biden Harris
did in the very first week. Number one, they immediately
halted construction of the border wall. Number two, they reinstated
the disastrous policy of catch and release, and number three
they pulled out of the incredibly successful Remain in Mexico agreement.
All three of those they could reverse tomorrow. And so

(23:21):
the point like literally go down to the White House
right now and do it. That is absolutely right. It
is also right that if and I pray when Trump
is reelected that he will reverse all three of those
decisions on January twentieth of next year, and we will
see the border crisis end, and it will end quickly.

Speaker 3 (23:40):
And so that point was very effective.

Speaker 4 (23:43):
Let me say also, ben I thought the foreign policy
portion of the debate was particularly strong for Trump, and
it was very weak for Kamala Harris. At one point,
she looks over at Trump and says, well, you know,
everyone knows that he was weak and ineffective on foreign policy.
And I got to say to me that that was
a laugh line. And listen, if you look across the globe,

(24:07):
we had peace and prosperity when Trump was president. We
had no foreign wars, and in fact, we saw peace
breaking out in the Middle East. We saw the Abraham
Accords being signed, we saw Arabs and Israelis coming together.
And I think it is absolutely the case that if
Trump were still in the White House today, the war
in Ukraine would not have happened.

Speaker 3 (24:28):
In the war in Israel would not have happened.

Speaker 4 (24:30):
That it was Joe Biden and Kamala Harris's weakness that
caused those wars. And critically, and Trump did a good
job of this too, laying out that Listen, Kamala Harris
has flowed over one hundred billion dollars to Iran. Iran
provides ninety percent of the funding for Hamas, ninety percent
of the funding for Hesbela. Kamala Harris in a very

(24:53):
real sense paid for the death squads that carried out
the atrocities on October seventh. And Kamala has no answer
to that. And tonight showed that powerfully.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
You know, I also think and you go to the
end of the debate that one of the best parts
was actually Donald Trump in his closing argument, and it
goes back to the campaign strategy I think he needs
to have moving forward, and that is to make sure
he makes this about what she has done in comparison

(25:29):
to what she claims she wants to do while she's
in charge.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
Like you're in charge, you're in charge, You're in charge?
Is it in Trump?

Speaker 6 (25:36):
So she just started by saying she's going to do this,
She's going to do that, She's going to do all
these wonderful things. Why hasn't she done it? She's been
there for three and a half years. They've had three
and a half years to fix the border, They've had
three and a half years to create jobs and all
the things we talked about.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
Why hasn't she done it?

Speaker 6 (25:57):
She should leave right now, go down to that beautiful
White House, go to the Capitol, get everyone together, and
do the things you want to do. But you haven't
done it, and you won't do it because you believe
in things that the American people don't believe in.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
It's a great line and I wish it would have
been used even more.

Speaker 4 (26:15):
Yeah, that was the closing was Trump's best best part
of the entire debate, and that that was exactly the
right message. It's a message that the Trump campaign should
amplify every day between now an election day. Listen, you
and I have talked about how kamalas trying to engage
in this divorced from reality campaign where she pretends she's
not in office, that she's not the incumbent, she disavows

(26:39):
all responsibility for the mess that is happening, and in fact,
she's behaving as if Donald Trump is the incumbent president
and she's the change candidate. She is in office right now.
Joe Biden is in office right now, and on every
single level, on inflation, on crime, on the legal immigration,

(27:01):
on foreign policy, on safety and security, the world was
much much better when Trump was president than it is today,
and that that needs to be emphasized every day between
now an election day.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
Cent Her final question, I think for you and really
for me, when I was watching this tonight and it say, okay,
where do we go from here?

Speaker 1 (27:22):
I'm in favor of another debate.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
I think you you covered that earlier, right, You agree
Trump should do another one number one.

Speaker 3 (27:29):
Yes, but I don't think she will.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
I think you will so your prediction is she's done yep.
Number two.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
If you're Donald Trump, what do you learn for tonight
and what do you take into your big campaign rallies
from this, and what is your messaging to your surrogates
tomorrow on the surrogate call.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
I think the message is she cannot defend.

Speaker 4 (27:52):
Her record, and her record is a failure. The American
people are worse off. But but listen, I think it's
important to remember also, this is not about Donald Trump,
and it's not about Kamala Harris. It is about the
American people it is about It is about young, young
couples who are going out and buying their first home
and they're discovering that a seven and a half percent

(28:13):
mortgage rate is much much worse than a two and
a half percent mortgage rate that you get about half
the house. That's happening right now today, people are hurting.
It's about a single mom who's trying to make ends meet,
and she can't afford to buy groceries anymore because the
prices have gone so high, and when she tries to
fill up her tank to go to work, it just
about breaks her. It's about the people who are suffering.

(28:38):
Look today. On September tenth, there was a ceremony in
the Capitol where the Congressional Gold Medal was awarded to
the thirteen servicemen and women who were murdered in Afghanistan
from the absolutely disastrous and incompetent withdrawal from Abbigate. Of

(29:00):
the families were there, and it was a beautiful ceremony,
and the families. I spoke to many of the families.
I thanked every one of them that I could to
say thank you for your service and sacrifice.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
I'm sorry. But I also to many of them.

Speaker 4 (29:16):
Had a follow up conversation where I said, there needs
to be accountability. There has been zero accountability. That the
focus for the campaign every day from now to election
day needs to be the difference between Trump's record and
Kamala's record and critically bringing it home to the voters

(29:38):
how their lives were much better when Trump was president
than they have been under Kamala, and that her policies
are failures and they're hurting the American people. That's got
to be the central message.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
Yeah, as you mentioned a second ago, on this anniversary
of nine to eleven, I think it's important that we
also take as back remember how important it is that
you have competent leaders that understand how important it is
to protect and defend the homeland, to protect and defend freedom.
And also just a moment to say thank you to

(30:13):
all of those that serve this country, to all of
those that wear the uniform, to all those that have
given the ultimate sacrifices and their families. There were so
many people that died on nine to eleven, but there
was also the second part, and that was so many
that died because they wanted to protect and defend us
after nine to eleven that gave the ultimate sacrifice. And

(30:35):
I said to everybody listening, say thank you to a veteran.
Text them. Everybody knows a veteran, tell them thank you.
I had the privilege of playing golf today with some
of those that actually took out some of the worst
terrorists in the world, some special operators, and they were
amazing guys, and I say to them, thank you, because

(30:59):
without you giving up years of your life and risking
your life and losing your brothers in uniform, we wouldn't
have the freedoms we have today.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
And that's what we need to remember. I think during
this election season as well.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
Don't forget. We do this show Monday, Wednesday, Friday on Verdict.
I do my show Ben Ferguson Podcasts, every single day.
So grab our podcast at that subscriber auto download button
wherever you listen to these podcasts.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
It's always fun.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
We get to do a joint podcast, The Senator and
I will see you back here in a couple of days,
and I'll see you back here tomorrow on the Ben
Ferguson Podcasts as well. And again, God bless America and
thanks to all of our veterans that are listening to you.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
Guys are the heroes.