Indy Voters Stand w Trump After Debate plus Megan McCain on Women Swing Voters

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Perspective is everything.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
Yesterday I was actually a little bit more down than
I am today when it comes to the aftermath of
the big debate between Donald Trump and Kamala Harris and
looking at the data and looking at what many undecided
voters have been saying, looking at many of those that
were interviewed after the debate that were declared as undecided voters,

(00:28):
what I am now understanding and realizing is even if
Donald Trump did not have a great night, and he didn't,
and even even if Kamala Harris had a better night
than she was expecting, which she did, it doesn't change
the fact that the American people are still having a
problem and are still struggling right now. When it comes

(00:51):
to the economy, it goes back to the statement, it's
the economy stupid. There are several data points that are
showing this. For a example, a Reuter's focus group actually
came out and said, with undecided voters, they still say
that Kamala Harris didn't do enough to change their mind. Now,

(01:12):
she may have won the debate on semantics, but what
they're telling you is she did not win when it
came to changing people's minds about what she has actually done.
And what's also interesting about the debate is how people
looked at it. They didn't look at Kamala Harris as
a new candidate. They clearly looked at her as you're

(01:34):
the woman in charge and you've been in charge. So
this idea that she could separate herself from Joe Biden
and Bynomics, that is not going to work. It is
not working based on what we are seeing again with
undecided voters. Now, if you are a Trump supporter, you
are very excited about what I just told you because

(01:54):
this is obviously very important information. In other words, it
comes down to this substance really over style. Here here's
the part that is the most interesting of undecided voters. Again,
this is coming from Reuter's News and their focus group
from debate night. Undecided voters are now leaning two to

(02:15):
one to Donald Trump after the debate depundits and look,
I'm one of those.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
I'm a realist.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
It wasn't a great night for Donald Trump, and many
on TV jumped to the excitement and declared Vice President
Kamala Harris the clear winner of Tuesday night's debate. Former
President Trump won six of ten undecided voters in a
Reuter's focus group. That's the only data to me that matters,
because if you were watching the debate and this debate

(02:43):
happened and you were solidly in the camp for Donald Trump,
you weren't changing going to Kamala Harris. If you were
watching the debate and you were solidly in Kamala Harris's
court as well, you were not going to change your
vote to Donald Trump. So the question came down to
swing voters, undecided voters, and former President Donald Trump. Even

(03:04):
after everything that happened on stage and it being a
three to one debate ABC News and the two anchors
An Harris against Trump, Trump won six of ten undecided
voters in this Reuters focus group.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
That is significant.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
Harris, by the way, only one three, meaning you still
have some that are quote undecided. There's also to back
this up in your Time survey of undecideds, and they
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won ABC News. I think they was pretty clear in
the aftermath they thought that it was a blood bath
and that Kamala Harris won. Debate has been widely cri
sized for bias on the part of ABC News moderators,

(05:28):
and it was shocking to see how they constantly were
fact checking Donald Trump and not one time did they
fact check Kamala Harris. Some political pundits also predicted the
debate would have little effect on the election. According to
the Reuters after polling right from these swing voters, six

(05:49):
out of ten on decided voters said they were leaning
towards Trump due to Harris's quote, vague answers, and because
they trusted Trump more on the economy, which is the
top issue of this political cycle, pulling down his shows overwhelming.
For the American people, it is the economy and high
prices and inflation is what they are concerned about the most.

(06:12):
Here's something else that's interesting. Reuters interviewed ten people who
were still unsure how they were going to vote in
the November fifth election before they watched the debate. Six
of them said afterwards that they would now either vote
for Trump or we are leaning towards backing Trump. Three
said they would now back Harris, and one was still

(06:34):
unsure how he would vote. Five said they found Harris
vague during the more than ninety minute debate on how
she would improve the US economy and deal with the
high cost of living, which was their top concern. Four
of those six also said Harris did not convince them
she would pursue different economic policies. Then Democratic President Joe Biden,

(06:56):
a Democrat, they largely blamed for the high cost of
living right now now, so they're saying the same thing.
It's high cost of living under Biden. You're a part
of the administration. You're not saying you're going to do
something different, So we believe we're going to have more
of the same if you are elected.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
Now.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
Six of the undecided voters were men, four were women,
and all had previously voted for Democrat and Republican candidates,
So this was a pretty good sample quote. I felt
like the whole debate was Kamala Harris telling me why
not to vote for Donald Trump instead of why she's
the right candidate, is what Robert Wheeler, a security form

(07:35):
executive in Nevada who was leaning torards Harris before the
debate said when he was asked now. Reuter's report is
supported by New York Times interviews as well of undecided
voters following the debate, saying this quote. Trump's pitch was
a little more convincing than hers, is what. A man
from Milwaukee, a previous Democratic voter, said, saying this, I

(07:59):
guess I'm leaning more more on his facts than her version.
Another one said, when Trump was in office, not going
to lie, I was living way better. I've never been
so down as in the past four years. It's been
so hard for me. That coming from a female voter.
Jason Anderson, a defense contractor from Arizona who voted for

(08:20):
former President Barack Obama, said Harris did not meet his expectations.
Trump had the more commanding presidentation. He told The Times,
there was nothing done by Harris that made me think
she's better in any way. Now here's something else that's interesting.
Sixty one percent of likely voters believe the next president

(08:41):
should represent a major change from the Biden Harris administration.
Going to say that again, sixty one percent of likely
voters believe there needs to be a major change from
what's happening right now, while only twenty five percent said
Harris represented that change. In a new Time Siena College poll,

(09:02):
a majority said Trump clearly represents the change Harris comes
in this debate. Also, with this issue, she cannot campaign
on policies to fix crime, inflation, and or border security
without actually undermining her own time in office as part
of the Biden Harris administration policies. But she must tout

(09:24):
the administration's policies to quote validate her record and her candidacy.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
That is also an interesting point.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
On CNN, they were asking about these issues, and I
want you to listen to how they said undecideds felt.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
Just need to learn more about Donald Trump. Just eighteen
percent of undecided voters say they need.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
To learn more about Donald Trump.

Speaker 3 (09:46):
But look at this, a near majority of undecided voters
say they want or need to learn more about Kamala Harris. Look,
undecided voters don't really like either one of these folks,
Donald Trump with just an eight percent favorable Kamala Harris,
which just a thirteen percent favorble. But the bottom line
is there's a lot more room for movement for Kamala
Harris than there is for Donald Trump. So the real
question tonight is can Kamala Harris seize this opportunity, sees

(10:09):
the spotlight put to rest fears that they may have
about her, because the bottom line is undecided. Voters have
already made up their mind about Donald Trump. They're waiting
to make up their mind abou Kamala Harris, and how
they do so can make all the difference in the
world at the end of the day come November.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
How about the expectations.

Speaker 4 (10:23):
I mean people literally put money on who's going to win.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
You can bet on anything. What is the expectation?

Speaker 3 (10:30):
Yeah, you know if the expectation going into the first
debate of this year, remember this is the second first debate,
As my cover slide kind of indicated, right, they thought
that Donald Trump was going to win that first debate
by an eight point margin. Now the expectation game is
on the other shoe, right, on the other foot. Look
at this when it comes to Kamala Harris versus Donald Trump.
Harris the expectation is that she is going to beat
Donald Trump. Now it's not by that wide of a margin.

(10:52):
But I think tonight the real question is how does
Kamala Harris get viewed and judged by the American public, Because,
as I said, just to go, the American electorate has
made up their mind about Donald Trump, they haven't made
up their mind about Kamala Harris. And this may be
her last best chance to get them on her side
of the equation and not go with the Republican nominee
for president.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
So that's what it boils down to. That was coming
from CNN.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
Look, they're saying that, hey, tonight's pretty much about Kamala Harris. Okay,
undecided voters dislike Donald Trump, right, Those that dislike him
and have made up their minds on him, they're over there.
But about half of undecided, on the other hand, want
to learn more about Harris, and Harris couldn't seize that
opportunity as what they saw, they didn't like what they saw,

(11:39):
they didn't like what was actually said. And I also
go back to this, I think the response the closing
argument from Donald Trump, if you were still watching the debate,
was a closing argument that really left you thinking in
your head. And Donald Trump should have used that moment
is closing argument during the middle, during the beginning, every

(12:04):
aspect of the debate should have been him asking this
question to the American people. Now, Thank goodness he did
at the end because it clearly had an impact with
the undecided voters that were watching. And what he said
was the simple question I've been saying over and over again,
are you better off now than you were four years ago?
And then he reminded people that if this is the
woman who's saying she's going to fix all your problems,

(12:26):
why hasn't she done it already while she is in power?

Speaker 4 (12:30):
So she just started by saying she's going to do this,
She's going to do that, she's going to do all
these wonderful things. Why hasn't she done it. She's been
there for three and a half years. They've had three
and a half years to fix the border, they've had
three and a half years to create jobs and all
the things we talked about. Why hasn't she done it?

(12:50):
She should leave right now, go down to that beautiful
White House, go to the Capitol, get everyone together and
do the things you want to do. But you haven't
done it, and you won't do it because you believe
in things that the American people don't believe in. You
believe in things like we're not going to frack, we're
not going to take fossil fuel. We're not going to
do things that are going to make this country strong,

(13:12):
whether you like.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
It or not.

Speaker 4 (13:14):
Germany tried that and within one year they were back
to building normal energy plants. We're not ready for it.
We can't sacrifice our country for the sake of bad vision.
But I just ask one simple question, why didn't she
do it. We're a failing nation. We're a nation that's

(13:34):
in serious decline. We're being laughed at all over the world.
All over the world they laugh. I know the leaders
very well. They're coming to see me, they call me.
We're laughed at all over the world. They don't understand
what happened to us as a nation. We're not a leader.
We don't have any idea what's going on. We have
wars going on in the Middle East, we have wars

(13:54):
going on with Russia and Ukraine. We're going to end
up in a Third World War, and it'll be a
war like no other because of nuclear weapons, the power
of weaponry. I rebuilt our entire military. She gave a
lot of it away to the Taliban, she gave it
to Afghanistan. What these people have done to our country,

(14:16):
and maybe toughest of all is allowing millions of people
to come into our country. Many of them are criminals,
and they're destroying our country. The worst president, the worst
vice president in the history of our country.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
That was probably what saved the night for Donald Trump,
and it reminded people that you just have to ask
yourself this question, are you better off now than you
were four years ago?

Speaker 1 (14:44):
And who's in charge now? It is Kamala Harris.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
So the idea that she's going to fix all of
your problems, why hasn't she done it yet? Why isn't
she doing what she claims she's about to do? And
what the voters were looking at was very different than
what the pundits were watching and looking at. The pundits
were looking at winning and losing. The voters, especially on

(15:07):
decided voters were looking at who's got a policy specifically
that is going to get me back to where I
wasn't living paycheck to paycheck, are constantly stressed out or
constantly feeling the pressure or constantly saying no to buying
basic things for my kids or my family.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
That is what they were looking at.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
There's also other things that really hit, and it hits
the day after the debate. The cost of Kamala is
a question that I think Donald Trump needs to be
bringing up more often. Stock market plunged after the president's
debate because of higher core inflation. Investors appeared to well
be worried of the risk that Kamala Harris could actually

(15:51):
win the presidential contest, sitting the major market indexes plunging
on the morning after the debate. Why they're worried if
this this woman gets an office with price controls and
all the other radical spinning ideas that she has, that
we're going to be in serious trouble. Harris also said
she would seek to hike a broad range of taxes

(16:12):
that is something many Americans can't afford, including taxes on
corporate profits, which would cost millions of jobs. She also
says she's going to come after unrealized capital gains. Many
believe that's actually unconstitutional, but she says, I don't care.
I'm gonna do it anyway. That would go after the
income of many Americans who are retired and many Americans

(16:32):
who have worked hard to save many investors in the
walls and Wall Street analysts think these taxes would weigh
extremely heavy on the stock market, which is exactly why
we saw it fall. So you look at this and
I take a step back, and I say, hey, the
pundits sometimes get it wrong. And pundits look at simple

(16:55):
things like who won who lost, right like we do.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
We look at that. I'm one of them.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
But after seeing the data, I'm not sure that this
debate win for Harris, and I do I will never
lie to you, guys. I think it was probably a win.
It was a three against one win for Harris. But
I do believe that this win for Harris is actually
not that big of a deal at all. Now, there's

(17:22):
also a third aspect of this campaign. In this election,
there's an X factor here, and that is a lot
of conservative women abandoned Donald Trump in the last election.
They were tired of the mean tweets, they were tired
of him just being incredibly blunt as he is. They
didn't like his demeanor, and they didn't vote for maybe

(17:45):
Joe Biden, but they just did. But they didn't vote
at all for a conservative candidate. That was a problem.
When you stay home and the other side doesn't stay home,
Guess what, they get a point, They get a vote
and you don't. So what does this mean for women? Well,
one of those women that I had that has a
very big audience is a dear friend of mine, Megan McCain,

(18:08):
that would be John McCain's daughter, and I wanted to
get her take on Donald Trump in this debate. Megan
I as soon as I saw this debate and I rapped,
I was like, I want to talk to you because
you warned everybody this is what you're going to get
when you go to ABC News. Were you shocked by

(18:29):
the bias aspect of the three on one as much
as I was, Like, I couldn't believe it from the
very beginning, like they were prepped and prepared to hammer
Donald Trump on anything they could, and they let Kamala
Harris get away with a significant number of lies.

Speaker 5 (18:44):
So the only reason why I was surprised is because
I was expecting the last CNN debate to be really
biased and awful, and I actually thought Agana Bash and
Jake Tpper were very fair when they interviewed President Biden
and you know, President Trump in the last debate. So
I thought that like maybe there was a slight possibility
that you know, someone at ABC had seen that and

(19:08):
learned their lesson. And and you know, look, I hear
from my friends who still work at ABC, like their
ratings are down everywhere, like like significantly and historically down.
And I just know from my old show, like you know,
it's just it's just not where it once was. And
I thank you in no small part it's because conservatives
aren't watching and Republicans don't trust the network. And I

(19:30):
just think that I was, I was, I was really
taken aback just how egregious it was. And it wasn't
just a fact checking, It was the questions that were asked, Like, respectfully,
January sixth is a horrible day. We have litigated January
six into the ground. I have a good friend who
could not go on summer vacation this summer because her

(19:51):
family can't afford the groceries and the gas, and what
inflation is doing to her family. That is the kind
of questions that should have been asked really directly with
follow ups, Like I learned absolutely nothing from that debate
last night, and I also think no, Republicans need to
stop agreeing to this. We need to stop going on
these networks. There is no point. And I actually think
I was talking to a.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
Friend this is this is where I'm so I love
the point that you just made, But then you would
have no debates, right because I.

Speaker 5 (20:20):
Mean your venues.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
So where explain? I'm intrigued.

Speaker 5 (20:26):
Okay, so tell me if I'm crazy. I actually think
last night I was like if some if a network
or you know you or some you know, we don't
need these old platforms anymore. Like Megan Kelly is getting
like more like hundreds of millions of views on her
show this on YouTube than all of the network news
channels combined. I think if you said, Megan Kelly, Strala,
Mainma God and Joe Rogan, the three of you are

(20:47):
up and you're going to moderate this debate, and you're
going to take a bunch of questions from average Americans
that are not you know, shown in advance or screens
in advance. I bet you that people would do it
just for the public to be alone. Maybe Kamala Harris
wouldn't do it, But I just think the gatekeeping of
these very specific networks and these very specific moderators, they're

(21:07):
clearly not up to it. I wasted my time last night,
and you have young kids. I have young kids. It
starts a nine o'clock at night. I didn't go to
sleep till twelve thirty. I'm tired today, Like absolute waste
of mom and dad's times. Last night. I learned nothing
and it was just and then I'm sorry, But like
the Taylor Swift endorsement that happened right as soon as

(21:29):
the debate was over, and then the just self adulation
of so many quote unquote respected news journalists about a
pop stars endorsement, I also found just embarrassing.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
And to me, it was so bad, and it was
obviously pre planned by the Harris Biden campaign, right it
was like, hey, we want you to do this right
after the debate. It's a great distraction point if we lose,
it's a great perk if we win.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
You know.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
And I also think this is where we are in
this country. I said earlier that it's amazing to me
that Americans get more in a tizzy over cats and
dogs missing, or you know, Canadian geese being you know,
walk down the street dead in the hands of a
Haitian that pictures out there, or the nine to one

(22:14):
to one phone call that I played this morning from
where this is all going on of a guy saying, Hey,
there's three guys that look like they're like Haitians that
are walking down the street now with ducks from the pond,
like this is insane. And we played the nine one
one call to prove that again. They said this never
happened on ABC last night. It absolutely is happening. Look
at the police reports and look at the nine one calls.

(22:35):
I think Trump should have been better prepared to respond
with that, and it would have been a great moment
for him.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
He was not prepared for that.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
But the part that irritates me the most, Megan, is
when did we like become so to eighty d as
a nation that average voters pay attention on this crap.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
More than twenty million legal immigrants coming.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
Across the border that are killing our kids with fetnel overdoe,
that are that are raping and killing children and women
killing American citizens, taking away our safety in the streets
like New York City where you used to live, where
seventy five percent of the crimes not being committed in

(23:18):
New York City proper are being done by illegal immigrants,
and no one gives a crap about that. But you
talk about a dog or a cat, or a goose
or a duck, and now everyone's paying attention.

Speaker 5 (23:29):
Well, I actually think I give the American public credit
that I do think they're paying attention. And I do
think like the border wasn't even brought up last night.
Did anyone else notice that? I waska believe this hasn't
been a main issue, and we're spending And I was
actually really frustrated that President Trump didn't pushed back more
on the abortion question. Someone has got to get Vice
President Harris to answer at what week and what months

(23:51):
she thinks is enough for a late term abortion, because
we know the answer is probably like thirty seven weeks.
We know they're completely radical on it. I was disappointed
he didn't push back on it. I don't look, I
don't think he did a good job either. I was
very disappointed. Performance I agree with you that I thought
he took debate and there were so many opportunities to
push back on her just absolute radicalism. But I think

(24:13):
the American public are really savvy I think the American
public know that. It look even for me, it's like
I can't believe how much money I'm spending on groceries
every month. The average American is going to the grocery store,
is getting hit really hard with inflation, can't buy a house.
The American dream doesn't feel like it's the same as
it used to. I still think that a lot of
this could be not an illusion that's too strong. But

(24:36):
I don't know if who is buying this was Vice
President Harris other than the already converted like what independent
Lawler watched that last night and was like, you know what,
I was on the fence, but Vice President Harris was
a girl boss and now Taylor swifted indoors. I'm in, Like,
I just I don't think that person actually exists.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
Yeah, I think it was a win for Harris last night.
I think Donald Trump lost the debate if it's just
a simple winner lose, but it, like you said, I
don't think it moved the needle that much because even
the undecided voters that were talked to on MSNBC and
CNN I played this earlier, they were like, the economy
still sucks and Donald Trump my life was better when

(25:15):
he was president. And that's the maybe the saving grace
for Trump in the debate, if you're his team, is
that things are so bad with inflation and the economy
right now, and and house the home, you know, is
unaffordability for example, that this is going to be a problem.
Your podcast, by the way, which you do, and everybody

(25:36):
listening you should download it, says to mccannon, it's amazing
you talk a lot about about women and women voters
and women issues, not twenty four to seven politics. When
you look at it through your audience. Do you think
your audience was really moved in either direction last night?
When you look at just average moms who are busy,

(25:57):
they have kids, they're not always paying attention tool it
takes like you and I do twenty four to seven.

Speaker 5 (26:02):
No, but I have like eighty eight percent female audience,
and they tend to be overwhelmingly Christian conservative women. So
my audience is a lot like me. I think a
lot of women are really upset again. I've been seeing it,
just like Percoly on my social media channels too, like
people are really upset that no one's calling Vice President
Harris out on her extreme abortion stance.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
I don't understand you do believe this is an election issue?
He should double down on this.

Speaker 5 (26:28):
I just think someone should call her out on the
extremism of the left. I mean, and by the way,
her saying that she owns a gun, I need proof
of that. I don't believe it. That sounds like a
weird lie, Like, really, you're a gun owner, like in
the Bay Area, you were out shooting, like skeet shooting,
like with the rest of us. I just don't believe it.
I think I think women's issues are just human issues,

(26:50):
and I always think the loss tries to make it
it's just women only care about like you know, abortion
and girl boss stuff. And that's a fallacy that I
think completely revealed itself to go out the window in
the twenty fifteen election with Hillary Clinton. And I always
think that Democrats think that women are a monolith.

Speaker 4 (27:07):
We're not.

Speaker 5 (27:08):
You know, they're just as many pro life women as
they are a pro choice woman in the country. And
I just I don't know, but the messaging, Look, I'm
gonna tell you, I'm going to keep it real, Like
the messaging has been really bad. The Jenier gap is
really extreme in this election we have a fourteen point deficit,
and it's exhausting for people like you know, me and
Ali Bestucky and like women who do like really hard

(27:28):
work to get women in America to see why conservatism
is the right path for our country and our families,
and then to have like you know, Childless Cat Lady
be the talking point for months and months and months
because the media will jump all over it and it's,
you know, just a ridiculous thing to say. It's damaging.
It is find her workmate last night, Childless cat Ladies.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
Yeah, no, it's You're absolutely right. Grab her podcast says
the McCain. Wherever you get your podcasts, my dear friend,
Megan McCain, will I'm looking hey, I'm looking forward to
having you back on the show soon, and grab her podcasts. McCain,
wherever you get your podcasts.

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