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Speaker 1 (00:01):
So we've got a lot to chat about on today's show,
and I want to run this with you. First of all,
you're going to get to just enjoy this as much
as I did when I read the headline. George Stepanopolis
and ABC News are being forced to apologize to Donald
Trump and pay fifteen million to settle a defamation lawsuit
on top of paying a million dollars in Trump's legal fees,
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bringing the grand total sixteen million. That's amazing. Now here's
the part that's even more incredible than that. The money
is going to be given to the Trump Library. We're
also going to talk about today the radical left is
normalizing the either attempted assassinations on people like Donald Trump
or the killing of people they disagree with this now,
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meaning the CEO of the healthcare company, and it is
top level people in the Democratic Party who are now
normalizing this activity saying, well, we should understand why it's happening.
I'm going to play that for you also coming up
in a moment, and Democrats are also now saying that
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the best political move that may have given Donald Trump
the White House was him sending or his allies I
should say, technically sending illegal immigrants all over the country
on buses to where they wanted to go, whether it
was New York City, Martha's Vineyard, the list goes.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
On and on.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Now I am literally traveling up to New York on
a very early flight. So I decided to do a
combo show with my dear friend, Senator Ted Cruz. As
you know, I coosed a podcast in vertict with Ted Cruz,
and I wanted us to do this on these topics.
And that is exactly what you're going to hear today,
because not only does Donald Trump have allies in the
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Senate who are trying to protect and defend him as
he's getting into office, but he has allies like Senator
Cruz are trying to protect him and others from the
anarchy of the left, especially when it comes to this
just normalizing assassinating anybody you don't like. So with that
being said, we're gonna start with that big first story
about ABC News. Here is my conversation with Center Tech
(02:08):
Cruz about it. Center, I can't believe that I'm actually
getting to say this because it's just so funny, but
it's real. The President of the United States elect, Donald
Trump is going to get a an apology from ABC
News and George Stepanopolis on top of the fact they're
now forced to pay fifteen million dollars to settle a
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defamation lawsuit, the fact Lady's singing the pigs are flying,
Hell's freezing over.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
It is truly astonishing. ABC News apologizing to Donald Trump
and ABC News writing a fifteen million dollar check to
Trump's presidential library, all to settle a defamation case because
George Stephanopolis went on National TV and defamed Donald Trump
and they're writing a check because of it. And if
you never thought it would happen, well it is. We
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are in a brave, an extraordinary new world. We're going
to break it down and what it means. We're also
going to go back to the amazing and really sad
spectacle of leftist celebrating the cold blooded murder of a
healthcare CEO Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders aoc all gleefully celebrating
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it and sadly encouraging more. We're going to break that
down as well. And finally, we're going to talk about
what may have been the single most decisive factor in
the twenty twenty four election, the left's utter hypocrisy on
the border and the serious suffering that open borders, cause
we're going to break down that hypocrisy and what may
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have turned the entire election, all of that on today's verdict.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Yeah, it's really going to be a good one.
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all this started from the very beginning for people that
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may not have been following this, because this was something
that was said by George Stepanopolis on ABC News, and
they realize, I think pretty quick, okay, we screwed up
here because Trump won.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
So now we got to deal with the consequences of this.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
I'm not sure they would have done it the same
way if we would have lost, but obviously ABC News
now saying yeah, all right, we're going to admit that
we did something that was really stupid.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Well, this stems back to March of twenty twenty four,
and in particular March tenth on ABC News with George Stefanopolis,
and as part of this settlement, ABC News wrote a
committed to write a fifteen million dollar check a charitable
contribution to Trump's presidential library, and also to pay a
million dollars in Trump's lawyer's fees. So, all told, sixteen
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million dollars is what ABC is out of pocket. And
they also had to apologize. They had to issue a
statement of quote regret, and so they appended to the
story from the March tenth online article the following statement
quote ABC News and George Stefanopolis regret statements regarding President
Donald J. Trump made during an interview by George Stefanopolis
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with representative Nancy Mace on ABC's This Week on March tenth,
twenty twenty four. And so, what were the statements that
that caused this? Well, George Stephanopolis repeatedly said Trump was
quote liable for rape and was found liable for rape
in the civil case in New York. And Nancy Mace
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was was on with Stephanopolis, and Stephanopolis played a clip
of Mace discussing being a victim of rape, and then
Stephanophilis asked her, quote, how do you square your endorsement
of Donald Trump with the testimony we just saw? Quote,
You've endorsed Donald Trump for president. Judges and two separate
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juries have found him liable for rape and for defaming
the victim of that rape. And he was referencing the
lawsuit by Jene Carroll. Stephanopoulos repeated that claim ten times.
Ten times. He repeated that the jury has determined that
Trump was liable for rape. What the jury in fact
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determined is that they found that that that he was
not liable for rape, but rather a separate crime under
New York law called sexual abuse, and Trump sued ABC News,
and Trump sued Stephanopolis for Stephanopolis repeatedly saying a jury
had found he was liable for rape when they explicitly
found he was not liable for rape. And at the
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end of the day, this settlement is all about that.
That it is It is been black letter law for
a long time that when you falsely accused someone of
a felony, that that that is defamation. And ABC News
just repeatedly said he was liable for rape, liable for rape,
that's what the jury found. That's what the jury found.
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And there was one minor problem. It wasn't true. And
so you know, you mentioned they settled this because Trump won.
It's true that Trump won, and it's true they settled this,
but I guarantee you their lawyers were telling them, listen
when you say over and over again, a jury has
find found someone guilty of a felony and the jury
found the opposite, that's information. And you're going to end
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up writing a much bigger check if you don't settle
this this lawsuit, and and and it happened right after
the magistrate judge ordered both Trump and Stephanopolis on Friday
to sit for depositions next week, uh and and answer
questions under oath. And I think ABC realized they were
going to have to sit George Stephanopolis down, and Trump's
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lawyers were going to get to ask him, Okay, did
the jury find him liable for rape?
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Or no?
Speaker 3 (09:30):
And Stephanopolis would be forced to say no, did you
say that the jury found him liable for rape? And
Stephanopolis would have to be forced to say yes, did
you say ten separate times on National TV the jury
found him liable for rape? And Stephanopolis would grumble a
lot of times and be forced to say yes. And
here here's the interesting question there. They were going to
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ask him, did you know at the time that you
said ten separate times the jury found him liable for
rape that the jury exploited had found him not liable
for rape? And I don't know how Stephanopolis would answer that.
My guess is he'd be forced to say yes. But
he was either deliberately lying or he was utterly indifferent
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to what the truth or falsity of what he was
saying is. Either way, it is a real problem. And
I think they looked at that and they probably had
started prepping him for that deposition and realized there is
no good answer for him to give, because look, they
just hate Trump and so they were happy to say
it. It sounds much more sensationialistic to say that, and truth
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be damned. I think that's why they ended up writing
the check.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
So can we just talk about the humor of this
for a second, the fact that ABC News is going
to have to write a check for fifteen million dollars
to the Trump Presidential Library, Like, do you name part
of the library the ABC Settlement Center.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
I mean, this is amazing, It is truly astonishing.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
And by the way, there's some lefty voices on Twitter saying, oh,
free speech is dead. Look, you need to understand, defamation
has always been part of free speech. You have a
right to speak freely, but you don't have a right
to defame someone. You don't have a right to say
something that is deliberately false and deliberately defamatory. And it
has always been the case that you can be held
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liable for slander or libel. Slander is saying it saying
it orally libel is saying it and writing. They're both
species of defamation. If you deliberately say something false. Is
that is harmful to the character or an other. And
particularly when you're a news organization, there's an expectation that
you have some modicum of integrity, some standards, and I
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think in this case, ABC realized they couldn't defend what
they've done.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
So let's talk about this administration coming in, you know,
January twentieth. And Look, we know that there was a
lot of reporting that was on the term administration back
in sixteen that was a lie. Russia collusion was a
great example of that. And then we know that the
media lied to us about for example, Hunter Biden's laptop.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
That was a lie.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
And there was a lot of things said that we're
not true about people in and around Trump.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Is this a reminder now that we've learned to fight
it maybe.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
A little bit differently, that we understand the court system
can be used to hold the media accountable when they
lie about people in the trum administration.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Is this something that actually could change the game a.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Little bit perhaps, Look, this is a situation where it
was clear and objective that what what ABC said was wrong,
that it was false, that that that ABC repeatedly said
a jury had found them liable for rape, and that
was explicitly the opposite of what they've done. I will
say most of the examples you've given, where the media
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is saying horrible things about Trump over and over and
over again, it's much harder to prove defamation. It's harder
to prove that it's objectively false. Like on Russia, Russia, Russia.
They will say, well, look, we were just reporting what
the allegations were. We were reporting what Bob Muller said,
We were reporting what so and so said. You know,
they can hide behind he said, she said. In this instance,
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what gave them particular exposure is there was a jury
verdict and ABC simply reported it wrong and did so
somebody knew whether stuff Stephanopolis knew or not, somebody knew.
And I will say, it is harder to win a
defamation case if you're Donald Trump, or if you're any
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public figure, because the Supreme Court the standard for defamation.
They made it much harder for a public figure to
win a defamation case. And there's a landmark decision from
the Supreme Court called New York Times versus Sullivan. It
was nineteen sixty four, and what the Court concluded is
that you have to demonstrate quote actual malice before you
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can find defamation if it's against a public figure. And
here's the quote from the Supreme Court quote. The constitutional
guarantees require, we think, a federal rule that prohibits a
public official from recovering damages for a defamatory falsehood related
to his official conduct unless he proves that the statement
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was made with quote actual malice, that is, with knowledge
that it was false, or with reckless disregard of whether
it was false or not. Now that's a very high
standard to prove. And so as a general matter, if
someone's a public figure. By the way, if someone is
not a public figure, someone's an ordinary citizen, defamation is
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much easier to prove. You don't have to prove actual malice.
But if you are a public figure, and the president
of the United States is the quintessential public figure, then
you've got to meet that higher threshold. Now there are
at least two arguments that Trump's legal team would make.
One was, in this case, the defamation was not relating
to his official conduct. He was not president in the
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United States at the time the interaction with Gene Carroll
did or did not occur, and so it was not
a defamatory falsehood related to his official conduct, but rather
his personal life before he was president of the United States.
So that would certainly be what Trump's lawyers would argue
is that the New York Times versus Sullivan standard doesn't apply.
But secondly, even if you had to demonstrate actual malice.
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Notice a second ago, when I was saying, when they
were prepping Stephanopoulos for his deposition, they would have to
walk through did he know it was false? Well, I wasn't.
I didn't have in front of me the standard. But
it turns out I was quoting the standard back at you.
Let me read it again. The Supreme Court defined actual
malice as quote that is, with knowledge that it was false,
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or with reckless disregard of whether it was false or not.
So one or the two. You've got to demonstrate for
actual malice. And the problem I think that that ABC
had is I think it was very clear that they
did it with actual malice. There was certainly a producer
or somebody knew for a fact it was false to
say he'd been found liable for rape. It wouldn't surprise
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me if a producer had told Stephanopolis, don't say, liable
for rape, and it wouldn't surprise me if Stephanopolis decided
how I'm going to say it anyway, it's close enough
for government work, and it's much more sensationalistic than to
report accurately. And I think when they found themselves trying
to defend the lawsuit, that it was going to be
clear that they either knew what they were saying were false,
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or at a very minimum, they were engaged in reckless
disregard of whether it was true or false. And so
they were going to get popped and they were going
to lose. And that's why they're apologizing, that's why they're
writing a big, big check.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
And it also made Stepanoplis very vulnerable, right. I think
that was part of his preserving their anchor here because
if they went into a deposition and they really got
to rough him up, that would hurt his brand, and
that would hurt the brand of ABC, I think as well,
because they still want you to believe that he is
the most non biased, hardcore news guy at a news.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Well, that's right, And look, Dereck George Stephanopolis worked in
the Clinton White House. He was a Democrat operative for
years before he became an ABC journalist, and I have
no doubt that there were going to be lots of
questions from Trump lawyers about, Okay, mister Stephanopolis, what are
your communications with Democrats? What are your communications with the
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White House? What are your communications with Joe Biden and
Kamala Harris? To what extent are you acting as as
a Democrat attack dog? And it may well be I
don't know this to be the case. I'm sure they
were going to ask those questions, and I suspect that
ABC was very nervous about what kind of answered Stephanopolis
would give under oath and potentially vulnerable and for the
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world to know the frequency with which he is explicitly
reading the talking points from the Democrat Party.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
One thing's for sure.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
When the library opens up, it's going to be really
fun to see how they make sure that everyone going
through the Life Library knows that this part of the
library is brought to you by ABC News and towards Steppanoflis.
I cannot wait to see the trolling there because I
don't believe that Donald Trump is going to let that
opportunity pass. I just I don't believe it. It's going
to be really fun to see what happens.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
I think that is a fair prediction. I would not
wager on the other side of you on that one.
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this other big shocking story, and it is the normalization
of kill your political enemy, kill anybody that you don't like,
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that you think is evil, justify it publicly so we
can normalize it. We've seen this with the assassination attempts
on Donald Trump. We have now seen this turn really
ugly when it comes to the murder of this CEO
of New York City, the cold blooded murder of this CEO,
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and people have turned him into some sort of hero.
We now have elected officials, Senator, some that you serve
with getting in on this, allowing for this almost justification
of well, we understand why people would want to do this.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Well, And we did an entire podcast on this last
week last Wednesday at Courge. You go back and listen
to it because I really think what is happening here,
It is dangerous and it is grotesque. This healthcare CEO
was gunned down in broad daylight in New York City
and this deranged killer walked up and shot him multiple
times in the back. After a two day man hunt,
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he was caught and the left lost their mind. They
have lionized him because and we did a deep dive,
this is because of the cultural Marxism. This is because
their ideology says that that anytime the quote oppressor engages
in violence, or rather the quote victim engages in violence
against the quote oppressor, that that that violence is justified
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and to be celebrated. And we went through the number
of leftists, including Taylor Lorenz, you know, a quote unquote
journalist for both the Washington Post and the New York Times,
who described how she felt joy, that was her term,
joy at this guy being murdered.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
It's sick.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
And we talked about as well, how how the view
Joy Bihar unloaded on me because I pointed out that
these were leftism leftists just celebrating cold blooded murder, and
she said, it's not leftist, it's not us at all. Well,
Joy Bihar guess what. Your message didn't get to Bernie Sanders,
Your message didn't get to Ao, your message didn't get
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to Elizabeth Warren because all of them in the last
few days have been on TV justifying, rationalizing, giving excuses
for the cold blooded murder. I want you to listen
to this montage of comments from them, and then we're
going to talk about it more.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
And this is not to say that an act of
violence is justified, but I think for anyone who is
confused or shocked or appalled, they need to understand that
people interpret and feel and experience denied claims as an
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act of violence against them. People go homeless over the
financial devastation of a diagnosis that doesn't get addressed, or
you know, the amount that they're going to have to
cover with a surprise bill and things like that. And
when we kind of talk about how systems are violent
in this country in this passage way, our privatized healthcare
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system is like that for a huge amount of.
Speaker 5 (24:05):
American Yeah, and look, we'll say it over and over.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Violence is never the answer.
Speaker 6 (24:09):
This guy gets a trial who's allegedly killed the CEO
of United Health.
Speaker 5 (24:14):
But you can only push people so far and.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Then they start to take matters into their own hands.
Speaker 6 (24:20):
Yeah, Elizabeth Warren obviously understands killing and murder and shooting
somebody in the back is totally unacceptable. But what I
think has happened in the last few months is that
what you have seen rising up is people's anger at
a health insurance industry which denies people the healthcare that
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they desperately need while they.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Make billions and billions of dollars in profit.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Anytime you say something's terrible, but it means you're saying,
but we understand it. It okay, we get it, we
comprehend it. We see how you got from point A
to point B. We have video of a cold blooded
murderer who goes up and assassinates an individual, and they're
justifying the understanding of why it should be why he
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and others are angry at all these healthcare seeears. This
is this is dehumanizing people who you don't like, the
same way they've done it with Trump.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
It is so dangerous.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Look at it's exactly the same as with Trump. It's
exactly the same as these leftists have done with Hamas
on October seventh, where they'll all say in obligatory violence
is wrong. But then they immediately start justifying the violence.
And they immediately say, well, yes, the rape and murder
of twelve hundred is rarely said, that's wrong, But but
the Palestinians are oppressed, and we should celebrate the Palestinians
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and is it wonderful? And then that's what the leftists do.
You know, yes, yes, yes, murdering the guy was wrong,
I suppose, But you know what, every healthcare ceo needs
to be murdered, every CEO needs to be murdered, and
they immediately their ideology goes to celebrating violence. And let
me just once I would like to see someone on
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the left be clear and unequivocal that violence is wrong,
period the end. This murder was grotesque, it was evil,
It was wrong. There is no justification for it whatsoever.
Even if your political ideology, as you've decided, you hate
this healthcare ceo that you've never met. You don't know
what he's done, you don't know anything about him other
than that that he he was the CEO of a
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healthcare company, And because your ideology is so railing against capitalism,
you think murder is a great thing. It's it's as
I said, it's the same. These are the same people
who buy coffee cups that say, you know, I wish
wish the guy in Butler, Pennsylvania hadn't missed because violence
is okay to them. These are the same people that
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celebrated the Black Lives Matter ANTIFA riots. This is this
is Kamala Harris raising money to bail people out of
jail who are violent rioters. Because for today's radical left,
the ends justify the means, and violence is okay. And
I want to be absolutely clear, violence is never okay.
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Whether I agree with your ideology or not. Nobody should
engage in violence against anyone else and if you do,
if you engage in violence, you should face serious consequences.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
How much do you worry about this becoming normalized.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
I mean, we got over to Donald trump first assassination
incredibly quick.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
It was like, okay, it happened, but he's so live,
let's immediately move on.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Then we have another attempted assassination on him down at
his golf course and be like, well, I mean it's
Donald Trump. You kind of gotta expect this now. That
was the demeanor of many on the left. And then
there was part of the left, that is exactly as
you described it. They were like, well, the guy should
have not missed, and it was almost anger at the shooters.
I think that's the most shocking part to me is
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we are dehumanizing people in a way that is now
putting other people lives at risk.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Well, and and for too many on the left, politics
is everything. It is life and death is identity. I mean,
I mean, look, I get to say politics is very
different than twelve years ago when I first got elected.
It's so nasty and personal. You know, we used to
be able to disagree without without hating each other, without
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demonizing each other, with without cheering at at violence and
the murder of those you may disagree with. And unfortunately
I don't see a whole lot of public democrats speaking
out against this it. I wish we had more that
had the courage to speak out and say this is
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unequivocally wrong. Look, well, this strange killer, his lawyers are
being paid for by leftists who are celebrating what he did.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Yeah, and that's the part I think that when I
look at this, I'm like, if you said this ten
years ago, fifteen years ago, you'd probably have people calling
for you to resign of all the people we just payed.
That's not happening. There would have been like reporters saying, hey,
like you need to answer for this these you know,
these statements that you made, do you want to clarify
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them or clean them up. There's none of that this time.
It's like, oh, yeah, yeah, of course it makes sense.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
You know it is. It is the reality of where
we are today.
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It's sad.
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Right now, Finally, Senator, this is another story and the
media is trying to figure this out. The Democratic Party
is trying to figure it out. How do we lose
this last selection? What caused it was it really our
policy on migrants and illegal immigrants. And there was a
very interesting conversation that took place, and people even on
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the leftwik is this aha moment? And I laughed because
it's something that you actually said on this show a
couple of years ago. Jessica Tarlove and Katie Curic, we're
talking about JP governors sending illegal immigrants to other parts
of the country from border states, and I want to
play this for people's and they specifically, we're talking about
(32:03):
Rod DeSantis in Florida, Greg Abbot in Texas and this
is what they said.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
In reaction on.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
The immigration front, there was a tendency amongst Democrats, and
especially Democrats were discussing the issue of people who do
interviews are part of the media to minimize it. Over
the first two and a half years, when there were
a lot of people coming in here, and I thought
that it was a stunt. You know, when they started
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bussing migrants, they go to markets, vineyards. Yeah, it was
the smartest thing they ever did.
Speaker 7 (32:37):
What was interesting because I have a friend who lives
in Florida, and I said, what did you think of
of Ron DeSantis and Greg Abbot taking some of these
immigrants and moving them to Northern States? And she said,
I thought it was great because nobody really was paying
attention before that. And I do think that this untold
(33:00):
old story was the strain on social services and communities,
particularly along the border, this influx, huge influx of immigrants
was having and I think the mainstream media, however you
define that these days, kind of ignored that story to
its peril.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
I mean, wow, right, like at least they're figuring it out.
I don't want to say that all the media is
figuring out, but it is pretty funny they figured out
the only problem is they were just a couple of
years too late.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
Yeah, look at striking to hear Kati Kuric admitting that now,
as you know, this was an idea that I suggested
three years ago. In October of twenty twenty one, I
introduced a bill called the Surge Act. And the Surge
Act was designed to create thirteen new ports of entry
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to send illegal immigrants. And here's here's what my press
really said at the time. If Washington Democrats had to
endure even a fraction of the suffering South Texas families,
far farmer, ranchers and small businesses have had to face,
our nation's immigration laws would be in force. The wall
would be built and remain in Mexico. Policy would be implemented.
And so I introduced legislation to change the points of
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entry and add thirteen new places. Block Island, Rhode Island, Greenwich, Connecticut,
Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts, Cambridge, Massachusetts, Governor's Island, New York, Rehoboth Beach, Delaware, Nantucket, Massachusetts, Newport,
Rhode Island, Scarsdale, New York, Palo Alto, California, Yuntville, California,
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Saint Helena, California, and North Hero, Vermont, which is where
Bernie Sanders vacations. And the idea was all the places
where rich liberals sit and sip chardonnay and look down
on people concerned about the open borders. And it was
really striking at the time I introduced this legislation, the
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leftist media went crazy, and in fact, the county executive
at Martha's Vineyard attacked me, attacked me by name, and
he said Cruise doesn't understand immigration, and he said we
and Martha's Vineyard would welcome illegal immigrants. Well, several months later,
Ron DeSantis and Greg Abbott took me up on what
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I had suggested, and they did exactly that. They sent
fifty illegal immigrants to Martha's Vineyard. And of course that
same county executive within twenty four hours declared an emergency
and ended up deporting the fifty who had been sent.
And I'll tell you we actually covered this on Verdict
several years ago. So I want you to play an
old segment from Verdict. This is actually pre pre the
(35:42):
great Ben Ferguson. This is back when when Michael Noles
and I were doing it.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Our good friend. Yeah, yes, the voice is about to
change a little bit, right.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
But this is us talking about it three years ago,
and it had a bit of foreshadowing.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
So give a listen.
Speaker 8 (35:59):
They've just sent airplanes full of illegal aliens to Martha's Vineyard.
And I cheered when I saw the headline, and then
I had to think, you know, there's a certain podcast
hosted by a certain senator from Texas that has been
calling exactly for that for many weeks now, and I
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just can't help but wonder if that may have had
some effect on this policy going into effect.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
I was thrilled when the Governor of Texas, Greg Abbott,
took me up on the idea and began sending illegal immigrants,
first to d C, then to New York, then to Chicago.
It's had a fantastic event as these Democratic mayors have
lost their minds and declared national emergencies. The mayor of
d C declared a national emergency or a city emergency
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because six thousand illegal immigrants were sent to d C.
Of course, we've had since Joe Biden became president, we
have had four point two million illegal immigrants cross illegally
with Biden as president.
Speaker 8 (37:01):
It is horrific. That's a crazy number. Four point two million.
That is a crazy number. It is larger than many
of the states of our Union. I mean, four point
two million. Since Joe Biden put his hand on the
Bible and took the oath of office, that's what's come
and it continues to get worse. And what is amazing
(37:22):
about when red state governors, first Texas now Florida are
shipping to blue strongholds is the Democrats, who talk a
good game immediately flipped tailed. So I want to give
you a quote on the from Martha's Vineyard. When I
introduced the legislation, you had Democrats, democrats, and the House
of Representatives slamm me. But I want to read from
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the county commissioner of Martha's Vineyard, Keith Chattenover, and here's
the quote he said about my legislation. I would love
to see Martha's Vineyard become a haven for new immigrants
in the country. But Senator Cruz has no idea what
he's talking about regarding a border crisis. He went on
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to say, immigrants make our country stronger, as evidenced by
immigration from Brazil and other countries to the vineyard. And
he is trying to whip up racial anxieties for political gain,
which is essentially the entire GOP platform. Anyhow, that's before
they arrived. I want to see if after two, three, four, five,
six ' ten, one hundred planeloads or bus loads, if
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the county Commissioner has the same view.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
Three years ago you said that, Senator, and now we're
seeing that Democrats are actually saying, man, this was really effective,
Like this was really really effective. You did this as
stopped the Surge Act in October twenty twenty one.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
And by the way, three years ago, notice that number
four point two million illegal immigrants were now over twelve million.
What has happened at our southern border is an experiment
in radicalism that has never been tried in the United
States of America. Our country is struggling the suffering that
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has occurred, and I will say the actual sending of
planeloads and bus loads of illegal immigrants to Blue strongholds.
It showed the complete and utter hypocrisy as every Democrat mayor,
every Democrat governor, every Democrat county executive completely demonstrated everything
they'd been saying was a lie, and it broke through
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the media freeze out in a way nothing else did.
I think Katie Kirk's right that that single action of
demonstrating Democrat hypocrisy on this issue could well have decided
the presidential election last month.
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Speaker 2 (40:06):
And I'll see you back here tomorrow
So we've got a lot to chat about on today's show,
and I want to run this with you. First of all,
you're going to get to just enjoy this as much
as I did when I read the headline. George Stepanopolis
and ABC News are being forced to apologize to Donald
Trump and pay fifteen million to settle a defamation lawsuit
on top of paying a million dollars in Trump's legal fees,
(00:23):
bringing the grand total sixteen million. That's amazing. Now here's
the part that's even more incredible than that. The money
is going to be given to the Trump Library. We're
also going to talk about today the radical left is
normalizing the either attempted assassinations on people like Donald Trump
or the killing of people they disagree with this now,
(00:47):
meaning the CEO of the healthcare company, and it is
top level people in the Democratic Party who are now
normalizing this activity saying, well, we should understand why it's happening.
I'm going to play that for you also coming up
in a moment, and Democrats are also now saying that
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the best political move that may have given Donald Trump
the White House was him sending or his allies I
should say, technically sending illegal immigrants all over the country
on buses to where they wanted to go, whether it
was New York City, Martha's Vineyard, the list goes.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
On and on.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Now I am literally traveling up to New York on
a very early flight. So I decided to do a
combo show with my dear friend, Senator Ted Cruz. As
you know, I coosed a podcast in vertict with Ted Cruz,
and I wanted us to do this on these topics.
And that is exactly what you're going to hear today,
because not only does Donald Trump have allies in the
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Senate who are trying to protect and defend him as
he's getting into office, but he has allies like Senator
Cruz are trying to protect him and others from the
anarchy of the left, especially when it comes to this
just normalizing assassinating anybody you don't like. So with that
being said, we're gonna start with that big first story
about ABC News. Here is my conversation with Center Tech
(02:08):
Cruz about it. Center, I can't believe that I'm actually
getting to say this because it's just so funny, but
it's real. The President of the United States elect, Donald
Trump is going to get a an apology from ABC
News and George Stepanopolis on top of the fact they're
now forced to pay fifteen million dollars to settle a
(02:31):
defamation lawsuit, the fact Lady's singing the pigs are flying,
Hell's freezing over.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
It is truly astonishing. ABC News apologizing to Donald Trump
and ABC News writing a fifteen million dollar check to
Trump's presidential library, all to settle a defamation case because
George Stephanopolis went on National TV and defamed Donald Trump
and they're writing a check because of it. And if
you never thought it would happen, well it is. We
(02:58):
are in a brave, an extraordinary new world. We're going
to break it down and what it means. We're also
going to go back to the amazing and really sad
spectacle of leftist celebrating the cold blooded murder of a
healthcare CEO Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders aoc all gleefully celebrating
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it and sadly encouraging more. We're going to break that
down as well. And finally, we're going to talk about
what may have been the single most decisive factor in
the twenty twenty four election, the left's utter hypocrisy on
the border and the serious suffering that open borders, cause
we're going to break down that hypocrisy and what may
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have turned the entire election, all of that on today's verdict.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Yeah, it's really going to be a good one.
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all this started from the very beginning for people that
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may not have been following this, because this was something
that was said by George Stepanopolis on ABC News, and
they realize, I think pretty quick, okay, we screwed up
here because Trump won.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
So now we got to deal with the consequences of this.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
I'm not sure they would have done it the same
way if we would have lost, but obviously ABC News
now saying yeah, all right, we're going to admit that
we did something that was really stupid.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Well, this stems back to March of twenty twenty four,
and in particular March tenth on ABC News with George Stefanopolis,
and as part of this settlement, ABC News wrote a
committed to write a fifteen million dollar check a charitable
contribution to Trump's presidential library, and also to pay a
million dollars in Trump's lawyer's fees. So, all told, sixteen
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million dollars is what ABC is out of pocket. And
they also had to apologize. They had to issue a
statement of quote regret, and so they appended to the
story from the March tenth online article the following statement
quote ABC News and George Stefanopolis regret statements regarding President
Donald J. Trump made during an interview by George Stefanopolis
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with representative Nancy Mace on ABC's This Week on March tenth,
twenty twenty four. And so, what were the statements that
that caused this? Well, George Stephanopolis repeatedly said Trump was
quote liable for rape and was found liable for rape
in the civil case in New York. And Nancy Mace
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was was on with Stephanopolis, and Stephanopolis played a clip
of Mace discussing being a victim of rape, and then
Stephanophilis asked her, quote, how do you square your endorsement
of Donald Trump with the testimony we just saw? Quote,
You've endorsed Donald Trump for president. Judges and two separate
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juries have found him liable for rape and for defaming
the victim of that rape. And he was referencing the
lawsuit by Jene Carroll. Stephanopoulos repeated that claim ten times.
Ten times. He repeated that the jury has determined that
Trump was liable for rape. What the jury in fact
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determined is that they found that that that he was
not liable for rape, but rather a separate crime under
New York law called sexual abuse, and Trump sued ABC News,
and Trump sued Stephanopolis for Stephanopolis repeatedly saying a jury
had found he was liable for rape when they explicitly
found he was not liable for rape. And at the
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end of the day, this settlement is all about that.
That it is It is been black letter law for
a long time that when you falsely accused someone of
a felony, that that that is defamation. And ABC News
just repeatedly said he was liable for rape, liable for rape,
that's what the jury found. That's what the jury found.
(08:38):
And there was one minor problem. It wasn't true. And
so you know, you mentioned they settled this because Trump won.
It's true that Trump won, and it's true they settled this,
but I guarantee you their lawyers were telling them, listen
when you say over and over again, a jury has
find found someone guilty of a felony and the jury
found the opposite, that's information. And you're going to end
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up writing a much bigger check if you don't settle
this this lawsuit, and and and it happened right after
the magistrate judge ordered both Trump and Stephanopolis on Friday
to sit for depositions next week, uh and and answer
questions under oath. And I think ABC realized they were
going to have to sit George Stephanopolis down, and Trump's
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lawyers were going to get to ask him, Okay, did
the jury find him liable for rape?
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Or no?
Speaker 3 (09:30):
And Stephanopolis would be forced to say no, did you
say that the jury found him liable for rape? And
Stephanopolis would have to be forced to say yes, did
you say ten separate times on National TV the jury
found him liable for rape? And Stephanopolis would grumble a
lot of times and be forced to say yes. And
here here's the interesting question there. They were going to
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ask him, did you know at the time that you
said ten separate times the jury found him liable for
rape that the jury exploited had found him not liable
for rape? And I don't know how Stephanopolis would answer that.
My guess is he'd be forced to say yes. But
he was either deliberately lying or he was utterly indifferent
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to what the truth or falsity of what he was
saying is. Either way, it is a real problem. And
I think they looked at that and they probably had
started prepping him for that deposition and realized there is
no good answer for him to give, because look, they
just hate Trump and so they were happy to say
it. It sounds much more sensationialistic to say that, and truth
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be damned. I think that's why they ended up writing
the check.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
So can we just talk about the humor of this
for a second, the fact that ABC News is going
to have to write a check for fifteen million dollars
to the Trump Presidential Library, Like, do you name part
of the library the ABC Settlement Center.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
I mean, this is amazing, It is truly astonishing.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
And by the way, there's some lefty voices on Twitter saying, oh,
free speech is dead. Look, you need to understand, defamation
has always been part of free speech. You have a
right to speak freely, but you don't have a right
to defame someone. You don't have a right to say
something that is deliberately false and deliberately defamatory. And it
has always been the case that you can be held
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liable for slander or libel. Slander is saying it saying
it orally libel is saying it and writing. They're both
species of defamation. If you deliberately say something false. Is
that is harmful to the character or an other. And
particularly when you're a news organization, there's an expectation that
you have some modicum of integrity, some standards, and I
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think in this case, ABC realized they couldn't defend what
they've done.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
So let's talk about this administration coming in, you know,
January twentieth. And Look, we know that there was a
lot of reporting that was on the term administration back
in sixteen that was a lie. Russia collusion was a
great example of that. And then we know that the
media lied to us about for example, Hunter Biden's laptop.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
That was a lie.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
And there was a lot of things said that we're
not true about people in and around Trump.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Is this a reminder now that we've learned to fight
it maybe.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
A little bit differently, that we understand the court system
can be used to hold the media accountable when they
lie about people in the trum administration.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Is this something that actually could change the game a.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Little bit perhaps, Look, this is a situation where it
was clear and objective that what what ABC said was wrong,
that it was false, that that that ABC repeatedly said
a jury had found them liable for rape, and that
was explicitly the opposite of what they've done. I will
say most of the examples you've given, where the media
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is saying horrible things about Trump over and over and
over again, it's much harder to prove defamation. It's harder
to prove that it's objectively false. Like on Russia, Russia, Russia.
They will say, well, look, we were just reporting what
the allegations were. We were reporting what Bob Muller said,
We were reporting what so and so said. You know,
they can hide behind he said, she said. In this instance,
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what gave them particular exposure is there was a jury
verdict and ABC simply reported it wrong and did so
somebody knew whether stuff Stephanopolis knew or not, somebody knew.
And I will say, it is harder to win a
defamation case if you're Donald Trump, or if you're any
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public figure, because the Supreme Court the standard for defamation.
They made it much harder for a public figure to
win a defamation case. And there's a landmark decision from
the Supreme Court called New York Times versus Sullivan. It
was nineteen sixty four, and what the Court concluded is
that you have to demonstrate quote actual malice before you
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can find defamation if it's against a public figure. And
here's the quote from the Supreme Court quote. The constitutional
guarantees require, we think, a federal rule that prohibits a
public official from recovering damages for a defamatory falsehood related
to his official conduct unless he proves that the statement
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was made with quote actual malice, that is, with knowledge
that it was false, or with reckless disregard of whether
it was false or not. Now that's a very high
standard to prove. And so as a general matter, if
someone's a public figure. By the way, if someone is
not a public figure, someone's an ordinary citizen, defamation is
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much easier to prove. You don't have to prove actual malice.
But if you are a public figure, and the president
of the United States is the quintessential public figure, then
you've got to meet that higher threshold. Now there are
at least two arguments that Trump's legal team would make.
One was, in this case, the defamation was not relating
to his official conduct. He was not president in the
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United States at the time the interaction with Gene Carroll
did or did not occur, and so it was not
a defamatory falsehood related to his official conduct, but rather
his personal life before he was president of the United States.
So that would certainly be what Trump's lawyers would argue
is that the New York Times versus Sullivan standard doesn't apply.
But secondly, even if you had to demonstrate actual malice.
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Notice a second ago, when I was saying, when they
were prepping Stephanopoulos for his deposition, they would have to
walk through did he know it was false? Well, I wasn't.
I didn't have in front of me the standard. But
it turns out I was quoting the standard back at you.
Let me read it again. The Supreme Court defined actual
malice as quote that is, with knowledge that it was false,
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or with reckless disregard of whether it was false or not.
So one or the two. You've got to demonstrate for
actual malice. And the problem I think that that ABC
had is I think it was very clear that they
did it with actual malice. There was certainly a producer
or somebody knew for a fact it was false to
say he'd been found liable for rape. It wouldn't surprise
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me if a producer had told Stephanopolis, don't say, liable
for rape, and it wouldn't surprise me if Stephanopolis decided
how I'm going to say it anyway, it's close enough
for government work, and it's much more sensationalistic than to
report accurately. And I think when they found themselves trying
to defend the lawsuit, that it was going to be
clear that they either knew what they were saying were false,
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or at a very minimum, they were engaged in reckless
disregard of whether it was true or false. And so
they were going to get popped and they were going
to lose. And that's why they're apologizing, that's why they're
writing a big, big check.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
And it also made Stepanoplis very vulnerable, right. I think
that was part of his preserving their anchor here because
if they went into a deposition and they really got
to rough him up, that would hurt his brand, and
that would hurt the brand of ABC, I think as well,
because they still want you to believe that he is
the most non biased, hardcore news guy at a news.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Well, that's right, And look, Dereck George Stephanopolis worked in
the Clinton White House. He was a Democrat operative for
years before he became an ABC journalist, and I have
no doubt that there were going to be lots of
questions from Trump lawyers about, Okay, mister Stephanopolis, what are
your communications with Democrats? What are your communications with the
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White House? What are your communications with Joe Biden and
Kamala Harris? To what extent are you acting as as
a Democrat attack dog? And it may well be I
don't know this to be the case. I'm sure they
were going to ask those questions, and I suspect that
ABC was very nervous about what kind of answered Stephanopolis
would give under oath and potentially vulnerable and for the
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world to know the frequency with which he is explicitly
reading the talking points from the Democrat Party.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
One thing's for sure.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
When the library opens up, it's going to be really
fun to see how they make sure that everyone going
through the Life Library knows that this part of the
library is brought to you by ABC News and towards Steppanoflis.
I cannot wait to see the trolling there because I
don't believe that Donald Trump is going to let that
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this other big shocking story, and it is the normalization
of kill your political enemy, kill anybody that you don't like,
(20:58):
that you think is evil, justify it publicly so we
can normalize it. We've seen this with the assassination attempts
on Donald Trump. We have now seen this turn really
ugly when it comes to the murder of this CEO
of New York City, the cold blooded murder of this CEO,
(21:18):
and people have turned him into some sort of hero.
We now have elected officials, Senator, some that you serve
with getting in on this, allowing for this almost justification
of well, we understand why people would want to do this.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Well, And we did an entire podcast on this last
week last Wednesday at Courge. You go back and listen
to it because I really think what is happening here,
It is dangerous and it is grotesque. This healthcare CEO
was gunned down in broad daylight in New York City
and this deranged killer walked up and shot him multiple
times in the back. After a two day man hunt,
(21:57):
he was caught and the left lost their mind. They
have lionized him because and we did a deep dive,
this is because of the cultural Marxism. This is because
their ideology says that that anytime the quote oppressor engages
in violence, or rather the quote victim engages in violence
against the quote oppressor, that that that violence is justified
(22:18):
and to be celebrated. And we went through the number
of leftists, including Taylor Lorenz, you know, a quote unquote
journalist for both the Washington Post and the New York Times,
who described how she felt joy, that was her term,
joy at this guy being murdered.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
It's sick.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
And we talked about as well, how how the view
Joy Bihar unloaded on me because I pointed out that
these were leftism leftists just celebrating cold blooded murder, and
she said, it's not leftist, it's not us at all. Well,
Joy Bihar guess what. Your message didn't get to Bernie Sanders,
Your message didn't get to Ao, your message didn't get
(23:02):
to Elizabeth Warren because all of them in the last
few days have been on TV justifying, rationalizing, giving excuses
for the cold blooded murder. I want you to listen
to this montage of comments from them, and then we're
going to talk about it more.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
And this is not to say that an act of
violence is justified, but I think for anyone who is
confused or shocked or appalled, they need to understand that
people interpret and feel and experience denied claims as an
(23:38):
act of violence against them. People go homeless over the
financial devastation of a diagnosis that doesn't get addressed, or
you know, the amount that they're going to have to
cover with a surprise bill and things like that. And
when we kind of talk about how systems are violent
in this country in this passage way, our privatized healthcare
(24:03):
system is like that for a huge amount of.
Speaker 5 (24:05):
American Yeah, and look, we'll say it over and over.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Violence is never the answer.
Speaker 6 (24:09):
This guy gets a trial who's allegedly killed the CEO
of United Health.
Speaker 5 (24:14):
But you can only push people so far and.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Then they start to take matters into their own hands.
Speaker 6 (24:20):
Yeah, Elizabeth Warren obviously understands killing and murder and shooting
somebody in the back is totally unacceptable. But what I
think has happened in the last few months is that
what you have seen rising up is people's anger at
a health insurance industry which denies people the healthcare that
(24:46):
they desperately need while they.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Make billions and billions of dollars in profit.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Anytime you say something's terrible, but it means you're saying,
but we understand it. It okay, we get it, we
comprehend it. We see how you got from point A
to point B. We have video of a cold blooded
murderer who goes up and assassinates an individual, and they're
justifying the understanding of why it should be why he
(25:14):
and others are angry at all these healthcare seeears. This
is this is dehumanizing people who you don't like, the
same way they've done it with Trump.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
It is so dangerous.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Look at it's exactly the same as with Trump. It's
exactly the same as these leftists have done with Hamas
on October seventh, where they'll all say in obligatory violence
is wrong. But then they immediately start justifying the violence.
And they immediately say, well, yes, the rape and murder
of twelve hundred is rarely said, that's wrong, But but
the Palestinians are oppressed, and we should celebrate the Palestinians
(25:48):
and is it wonderful? And then that's what the leftists do.
You know, yes, yes, yes, murdering the guy was wrong,
I suppose, But you know what, every healthcare ceo needs
to be murdered, every CEO needs to be murdered, and
they immediately their ideology goes to celebrating violence. And let
me just once I would like to see someone on
(26:08):
the left be clear and unequivocal that violence is wrong,
period the end. This murder was grotesque, it was evil,
It was wrong. There is no justification for it whatsoever.
Even if your political ideology, as you've decided, you hate
this healthcare ceo that you've never met. You don't know
what he's done, you don't know anything about him other
than that that he he was the CEO of a
(26:30):
healthcare company, And because your ideology is so railing against capitalism,
you think murder is a great thing. It's it's as
I said, it's the same. These are the same people
who buy coffee cups that say, you know, I wish
wish the guy in Butler, Pennsylvania hadn't missed because violence
is okay to them. These are the same people that
(26:51):
celebrated the Black Lives Matter ANTIFA riots. This is this
is Kamala Harris raising money to bail people out of
jail who are violent rioters. Because for today's radical left,
the ends justify the means, and violence is okay. And
I want to be absolutely clear, violence is never okay.
(27:12):
Whether I agree with your ideology or not. Nobody should
engage in violence against anyone else and if you do,
if you engage in violence, you should face serious consequences.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
How much do you worry about this becoming normalized.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
I mean, we got over to Donald trump first assassination
incredibly quick.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
It was like, okay, it happened, but he's so live,
let's immediately move on.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Then we have another attempted assassination on him down at
his golf course and be like, well, I mean it's
Donald Trump. You kind of gotta expect this now. That
was the demeanor of many on the left. And then
there was part of the left, that is exactly as
you described it. They were like, well, the guy should
have not missed, and it was almost anger at the shooters.
I think that's the most shocking part to me is
(27:55):
we are dehumanizing people in a way that is now
putting other people lives at risk.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Well, and and for too many on the left, politics
is everything. It is life and death is identity. I mean,
I mean, look, I get to say politics is very
different than twelve years ago when I first got elected.
It's so nasty and personal. You know, we used to
be able to disagree without without hating each other, without
(28:21):
demonizing each other, with without cheering at at violence and
the murder of those you may disagree with. And unfortunately
I don't see a whole lot of public democrats speaking
out against this it. I wish we had more that
had the courage to speak out and say this is
(28:44):
unequivocally wrong. Look, well, this strange killer, his lawyers are
being paid for by leftists who are celebrating what he did.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Yeah, and that's the part I think that when I
look at this, I'm like, if you said this ten
years ago, fifteen years ago, you'd probably have people calling
for you to resign of all the people we just payed.
That's not happening. There would have been like reporters saying, hey,
like you need to answer for this these you know,
these statements that you made, do you want to clarify
(29:15):
them or clean them up. There's none of that this time.
It's like, oh, yeah, yeah, of course it makes sense.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
You know it is. It is the reality of where
we are today.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
It's sad.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
I pray for this country and I hope that at
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rhetoric and not normalize it like we are like it
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Right now, Finally, Senator, this is another story and the
media is trying to figure this out. The Democratic Party
is trying to figure it out. How do we lose
this last selection? What caused it was it really our
policy on migrants and illegal immigrants. And there was a
very interesting conversation that took place, and people even on
(31:41):
the leftwik is this aha moment? And I laughed because
it's something that you actually said on this show a
couple of years ago. Jessica Tarlove and Katie Curic, we're
talking about JP governors sending illegal immigrants to other parts
of the country from border states, and I want to
play this for people's and they specifically, we're talking about
(32:03):
Rod DeSantis in Florida, Greg Abbot in Texas and this
is what they said.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
In reaction on.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
The immigration front, there was a tendency amongst Democrats, and
especially Democrats were discussing the issue of people who do
interviews are part of the media to minimize it. Over
the first two and a half years, when there were
a lot of people coming in here, and I thought
that it was a stunt. You know, when they started
(32:32):
bussing migrants, they go to markets, vineyards. Yeah, it was
the smartest thing they ever did.
Speaker 7 (32:37):
What was interesting because I have a friend who lives
in Florida, and I said, what did you think of
of Ron DeSantis and Greg Abbot taking some of these
immigrants and moving them to Northern States? And she said,
I thought it was great because nobody really was paying
attention before that. And I do think that this untold
(33:00):
old story was the strain on social services and communities,
particularly along the border, this influx, huge influx of immigrants
was having and I think the mainstream media, however you
define that these days, kind of ignored that story to
its peril.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
I mean, wow, right, like at least they're figuring it out.
I don't want to say that all the media is
figuring out, but it is pretty funny they figured out
the only problem is they were just a couple of
years too late.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
Yeah, look at striking to hear Kati Kuric admitting that now,
as you know, this was an idea that I suggested
three years ago. In October of twenty twenty one, I
introduced a bill called the Surge Act. And the Surge
Act was designed to create thirteen new ports of entry
(33:50):
to send illegal immigrants. And here's here's what my press
really said at the time. If Washington Democrats had to
endure even a fraction of the suffering South Texas families,
far farmer, ranchers and small businesses have had to face,
our nation's immigration laws would be in force. The wall
would be built and remain in Mexico. Policy would be implemented.
And so I introduced legislation to change the points of
(34:12):
entry and add thirteen new places. Block Island, Rhode Island, Greenwich, Connecticut,
Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts, Cambridge, Massachusetts, Governor's Island, New York, Rehoboth Beach, Delaware, Nantucket, Massachusetts, Newport,
Rhode Island, Scarsdale, New York, Palo Alto, California, Yuntville, California,
(34:34):
Saint Helena, California, and North Hero, Vermont, which is where
Bernie Sanders vacations. And the idea was all the places
where rich liberals sit and sip chardonnay and look down
on people concerned about the open borders. And it was
really striking at the time I introduced this legislation, the
(34:57):
leftist media went crazy, and in fact, the county executive
at Martha's Vineyard attacked me, attacked me by name, and
he said Cruise doesn't understand immigration, and he said we
and Martha's Vineyard would welcome illegal immigrants. Well, several months later,
Ron DeSantis and Greg Abbott took me up on what
(35:18):
I had suggested, and they did exactly that. They sent
fifty illegal immigrants to Martha's Vineyard. And of course that
same county executive within twenty four hours declared an emergency
and ended up deporting the fifty who had been sent.
And I'll tell you we actually covered this on Verdict
several years ago. So I want you to play an
old segment from Verdict. This is actually pre pre the
(35:42):
great Ben Ferguson. This is back when when Michael Noles
and I were doing it.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Our good friend. Yeah, yes, the voice is about to
change a little bit, right.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
But this is us talking about it three years ago,
and it had a bit of foreshadowing.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
So give a listen.
Speaker 8 (35:59):
They've just sent airplanes full of illegal aliens to Martha's Vineyard.
And I cheered when I saw the headline, and then
I had to think, you know, there's a certain podcast
hosted by a certain senator from Texas that has been
calling exactly for that for many weeks now, and I
(36:21):
just can't help but wonder if that may have had
some effect on this policy going into effect.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
I was thrilled when the Governor of Texas, Greg Abbott,
took me up on the idea and began sending illegal immigrants,
first to d C, then to New York, then to Chicago.
It's had a fantastic event as these Democratic mayors have
lost their minds and declared national emergencies. The mayor of
d C declared a national emergency or a city emergency
(36:47):
because six thousand illegal immigrants were sent to d C.
Of course, we've had since Joe Biden became president, we
have had four point two million illegal immigrants cross illegally
with Biden as president.
Speaker 8 (37:01):
It is horrific. That's a crazy number. Four point two million.
That is a crazy number. It is larger than many
of the states of our Union. I mean, four point
two million. Since Joe Biden put his hand on the
Bible and took the oath of office, that's what's come
and it continues to get worse. And what is amazing
(37:22):
about when red state governors, first Texas now Florida are
shipping to blue strongholds is the Democrats, who talk a
good game immediately flipped tailed. So I want to give
you a quote on the from Martha's Vineyard. When I
introduced the legislation, you had Democrats, democrats, and the House
of Representatives slamm me. But I want to read from
(37:46):
the county commissioner of Martha's Vineyard, Keith Chattenover, and here's
the quote he said about my legislation. I would love
to see Martha's Vineyard become a haven for new immigrants
in the country. But Senator Cruz has no idea what
he's talking about regarding a border crisis. He went on
(38:08):
to say, immigrants make our country stronger, as evidenced by
immigration from Brazil and other countries to the vineyard. And
he is trying to whip up racial anxieties for political gain,
which is essentially the entire GOP platform. Anyhow, that's before
they arrived. I want to see if after two, three, four, five,
six ' ten, one hundred planeloads or bus loads, if
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the county Commissioner has the same view.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
Three years ago you said that, Senator, and now we're
seeing that Democrats are actually saying, man, this was really effective,
Like this was really really effective. You did this as
stopped the Surge Act in October twenty twenty one.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
And by the way, three years ago, notice that number
four point two million illegal immigrants were now over twelve million.
What has happened at our southern border is an experiment
in radicalism that has never been tried in the United
States of America. Our country is struggling the suffering that
(39:11):
has occurred, and I will say the actual sending of
planeloads and bus loads of illegal immigrants to Blue strongholds.
It showed the complete and utter hypocrisy as every Democrat mayor,
every Democrat governor, every Democrat county executive completely demonstrated everything
they'd been saying was a lie, and it broke through
(39:32):
the media freeze out in a way nothing else did.
I think Katie Kirk's right that that single action of
demonstrating Democrat hypocrisy on this issue could well have decided
the presidential election last month.
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