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Speaker 1 (00:01):
So we all know that the House was able to
cut about fifteen hundred pages of a ridiculous bill continuing
resolution that was filled with waste and abuse and just
pure corruption of Washington, DC. We know now that the
Senate has passed it, so there's not going to be
a government shut down now. In general, I want to
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be clear, this is great news. The media is going
to spend this in a different way. What the media
is going to do is they are going to spin
it to tell you to make you believe, okay, that
this is somehow it was a big waste of time
and that nothing actually big, good or successful came out
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of this. I'll give you an example of what I
mean by this. Center Haggerty, Republican Tennessee, was on a
State of the Union on CNN on Sunday, and I
want you to hear what he had to say as
try to turn averting a shutdown, which is a victory,
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into a somehow disaster and also trying to claim that
you guys really didn't accomplish anything at all by cutting
fifteen hundred pages of spending, waste, abuse and fraud and
just pure corruption out of the first bill which turned
into the second bill that was one hundred and something pages.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
All Right, I want.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
You to hear CNN putting this together, trying to tell
America that this was somehow a failure for Trump, a
failure for people that want to have responsibility and spending,
a failure for Elon Musk, a failure for ramasawm Me,
a failure for DOJE, even though it clearly was a victory.
And then they're like, oh, and by the way, you
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guys didn't increase the debt ceiling, so you're gonna have
to do that in Trump and Trump demand it. So
you guys failed in there. So this is a disaster. Look,
you still got to get the votes, and you have
a Democratic Senate, and the Democratic Senate had to agree
to something, and I think they weren't going to agree
to increase the debt ceiling because they want to force
Donald Trump to do that when he's in office.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
So there's what you want and there's reality.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
And the reality was Republicans had to give something to
the Senate that the Senate would actually pass. And so
Democrats made it very clear they did not want to
increase the debt ceiling, even though this is clearly Joe
Biden's fault, and they want to hand that negative to
Donald Trump when he comes into office in January. So again,
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you want to know how corrupt CNN is. You want
to know how bad, how terrible Dana Basti is at
her job, and you want to hear just how evil
they are about telling you what's actually going on in America.
Listen to this back and forth with her and with
Senator Bill Haggerty. He's on the Appropriations Committee. That's why
they had him on.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Listen.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Understandable given what you just described and what we all witnessed,
but also given the fact that you know him well
and you understand what he was going for. The final
spending bill that you all approved did not have any
new spending cuts. It didn't include the debt limit increase
that Donald Trump was demanding. So what did he accomplish
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with all of this?
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Well, the main thing, and I can share with you
my perspective on a Dana, is this. We have had
our appropriations bills on the floor of the United States
Senate since this past summer. Chuck Schumer has refused to
bring them forward. This is a typical Washington process where
we wind up with a work product that the American
public can't possibly understand. They dumped over fifteen hundred pages
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on us, and Elon Musk, using the tool of Twitter,
brought transparency to the entirety of it. The American public
were shocked. We always shocked, and we see these types
of monstrosities at the last minute that haven't been properly vetted.
And President of Trump was able to bring his weight
to the table and say, look, this has got to stop.
This has got to be skinning down, this has got
to change. My overarching goal coming into this was to
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make certain that the government didn't shut down because President
Trump over the next thirty days needs to be able
to process his nominees. We need to be able to
put him place to get to work on January the twentieth,
because three quarters of the American public feel that the
United States is on the wrong track right now. So
I appreciate the fact that Elon Musk made this transparent
and that we were able to actually improve this. We
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didn't get everything we wanted, certainly I didn't, but we're
in a better place now because we're going to be
in a position to make certain that President Trump is
ready to go on day one.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
I got to give kudos to Haggerty for dealing with
it the way that he just did and saying it
the way that he just did. They dumped over fifteen
hundred pages on us, and I appreciate the fact that
Elon Musk made this transparent. This is the reason why
I will never trust the media again because the lack
of transparency from the media. They don't want there to
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be transparency. They do not want for you and I
to know what's happening. Neither does the Swamp. They want
us guessing all the time. They don't want us to
understand what is in the bills. This goes back to
Nancy Pelosi. We won't know what's in the bill until
we pass the bill. That is the mantra of the left.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
All right.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Now, there's a second part of this that I want
you to know about that it's becoming an issue as well,
and that is Speaker Johnson. There are many that are
hoping that Donald Trump will come in and that there
will be a big fight and they will get rid
of Speaker Johnson, and that there will be chaos within
the Republican Party. I'm going to say what I said earlier.
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I'm going to warn you about this right now. Speaker
Johnson at this point is clearly the most conservative.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Speaker that we could get.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
And if we get rid of Speaker Johnson, I'm telling
you right now, we're going to get a much more
liberal speaker. That is why Democrats are pushing for this. Okay,
I'll give you an example of how they're starting to
bring this into an issue on ABC this week. What
did they say about Speaker Johnson. What they said was, well,
he's in real trouble and they're wanting this to be
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the story going into January.
Speaker 5 (05:59):
Carefully, join now by ABC News contributing political correspondent and
Political Capital Bureau chief Rachel Bade. So, Rachel, why did
so many Republicans defy Trump?
Speaker 6 (06:13):
Well, you know, John, in a lot of ways, I
feel like President Trump was sort of asking for the
impossible in this situation. I mean, there's been a lot
of hot takes out there that he in some way
has lost his juice with Republicans or his sway with
the party. I don't buy that, and I'll tell you why.
I Mean, if you look at debt sealing votes, historically,
this is a toxic vote for Republicans, especially when you're
trying to raise the debt ceialing without corresponding spending cuts
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or really any spending cuts whatsoever. And I went back
and looked at a lot of the votes on the
debt ceiling in past years, even when President Trump was
president before, and way more Republicans opposed it. I'm talking
about in the hundreds up to two hundred at one point,
and so I'm surprised that only thirty eight Republicans actually
opposed this. The bigger issue, in my view, is this
sheer breakdown in communication between President Trump and Speaker Johnson here,
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I mean President Trump.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
By the way, you notice how all this is doom
and gloom, Like, are you hearing this? We cut fifteen
hundred pages of government waste and they're saying it's doom
and gloom. We cut a bill with transparency because of
the influence of Donald Trump and Elon Musk and X
and putting it out there, having transparency for the people,
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and they're telling you it's doom and gloom. I want
you to understand that what happened to Donald Trump in
twenty sixteen is exactly the way the media is wanting
twenty twenty four to go he's lost his juice. He's
already he's already in trouble. Things are. This is a
disaster for Republicans. They're already fighting. I can't believe that
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in cut government spending. I can't believe that they were
in this situation. Donald Trump had an unrealistic expectation for Republicans,
all of.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
This doom and gloom.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Even in a successful vote to cut a bill by
fifteen hundred pages, eighty something percent of the pages disappeared
because of transparency. And somehow they start every single Sunday
morning talk show saying the same damn thing. Wow, Donald
Trump may have lost his juice. Donald Trump got screwed
by Republicans. The Speaker of the House is gonna lose everything. Oh,
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look how bad things are. Woe is me. Look how
terrible things are. Look how awful things are? One after
another after another, after another after another. Doom and gloom,
doom and gloom, doom and gloom, doom and gloom, doom
and gloom.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
It's constant with these people. It is constant.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
And so what I would say is, when you hear this,
look at the reality of the situation.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Was this a success this week? Yes?
Speaker 1 (08:43):
What I've loved for the debt cealing't have been raised. Yes,
but I'm also realist and I know that the Democrats
have controlled the Senate and they weren't going to vote
for that, and then there would have been a government shutdown,
and it wasn't gonna hurt Joe Biden because he's already
out of office, and then Donald Trump could have inherited
a government that was shut down. If you go back
to ABC This Week and the second part of the interview.
So the first part is everything's bad, donald Trump's losses Mojoe,
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Democrats are brilliant, and Donald Trump is going to lose
a speaker, Right, that's the second part of this, right,
because they're going to tell you how bad things are,
and then they're going to they're starting they're trying to
start civil war between Speaker Johnson and Maga Republicans so
that you believe that he is a terrible person. And
it's all about you believing that. Listen to part two
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of ABC This Week where they say, and then this
war between Speaker Johnson, don't Trump, Oh, it's really bad, folks.
Speaker 6 (09:33):
Telling Johnson he wanted him to do this right after
the election, that They've been talking about this for a
long time. Johnson's folks have been sort of under the
impression that this wasn't a big priority for President Trump
until two days before the deadline when he came up
and sort of blew up the deal. Also, President Trump
was under the impression that when he did add the
debt ceiling to the CR the Continuing Resolution, that it
was actually going to pass. And that's why he sort
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of leaned in and tried to sort of say, look, Republicans,
you need to do this. If he had known he
was going to lose thirty eight Republicans, he would have
done this. And so the relationship right now, I mean,
they've got some work to do if they want to
be effective next year.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
They've got some work to do, Folks. I don't believe,
by the way, any of the craps you just said.
I think Donald Trump leaned in to cut fifteen hundred
pages of a sixteen hundred plus page bill. And that's
what he leaned in on. Did he get everything he
wanted to know? Our Democrats in control of the Senate, Yes,
Is there a slim majority in the House, yes?
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Was this going to be tough to do? Right?
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Before people are leaving, and many people are leaving Congress
forever that lost reelection because they're going to stick it
to Donald Trump, including some Republicans at loss. Yes, do
I believe in this doom and gloom the way that
they're talking about it.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
I do not.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
I do not at all. And then listen to this
part where they're like, oh, well, now we got it.
We got a problem with Speaker Johnson.
Speaker 7 (10:48):
Good speaker of Jenuiny there it's the million dollar question
right now John I will say people have underestimated Johnson
quite a bit in the past year, and oftentimes he
sort of, you know.
Speaker 6 (10:57):
Outless his naysayers here. But the situation is different. I mean,
I've talked to a lot of Trump folks over the
past couple of days, and Trump has really soured on him.
It feels like something in this relationship has really broken.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
The days it needs Trump to get reelected.
Speaker 6 (11:12):
Absolutely, he needs Trump, and not only does he need
Trump's endorsement, He's going to need President Trump to lean
in to actually get that gavel. And right now I'm
hearing from people that there's a real question about whether
Trump's going to lift a finger for him to do this.
I think the question Trump has to ask himself is
ousting Johnson worth potentially upending his agenda at the beginning
of the year and creating this sort of stall in momentum.
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I mean, look, we remember the speakership chaos when.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
McCarthy is out.
Speaker 6 (11:41):
A whole month went by when we had no idea
who was leading the conference. Right now, this speakership vote
is set for January third. President Trump, his victory is
set to be certified on January sixth.
Speaker 7 (11:51):
I was talking to.
Speaker 6 (11:51):
Someone last night, pretty high up and Republican on the Hill,
who was saying that without a speaker, you can't certify
his election. So does he really want to do this?
He want to stall his agenda, but perhaps he feels
like it's worth it. I guess time will tell, all right,
Rachel Vage.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
By the way, I want to tell you multiple reasons
why I disagree with the analysis that I just played
for you. I don't believe that their rift is anything
close to what they're trying to do on TV, which
is to trying to start a civil war. I believe
that Speaker Johnson and Donald Trump have a good working relationship.
They have done multiple events together recently, he's been done
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at mar Lago recently. Multiple times, they had multiple events
together on the campaign trail. They helped raise money to
get others elected, Republicans elected, and they worked really well
getting Donald Trump into tight races to make sure that
they were able to win a Senate majority, as thin
as it may be a House majority.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
I should say, as soon as it may be.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
I don't believe this idea that Speaker Johnson is in
serious trouble. In fact, I would argue that Donald Trump
is smart enough for right now to say, hey, I
need to move forward with an agenda with a conservative
and Speaker Johnson is the best conservative that could get
elected right now. What they're hoping is that this is
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a party in chaos. Headline today Johnson Carl Congress chaos right.
This is this is how they spread it to the country.
This is how they try to start a civil war.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
Listen, if you were watching Congress this week, you might
have thought for a moment that Donald Trump is already president.
Along with his most high profile and wealthiest advisor, Trump
upended a bipartisan spending deal that had been months in
the making. But the power of a president elects, just
like the power of a president only goes so far.
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And while Trump's hold on the Republican Party is not
in doubt, we saw that his power to get Congress
to do what he wants has its limits. As Congress
veered towards a shutdown, Trump made only one non negotiable demand.
He said that the bill to keep the government open
must also increase or abolish the so called debt cealing
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that's the amount the federal government can.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Borrow to pay its bills.
Speaker 5 (14:12):
Without this, Trump said on social media, we should never
make a deal. And this wasn't just advice. It came
with a warning that he might campaign against Republicans who
dared to defy him. Trump declaring any Republican that would
be so stupid as to do this should and will
be primaried. And even with that, thirty eight Republicans defied
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their president's elect. They were either unworried about his warning
or simply didn't take it seriously, and.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
In the end, or it was Republicans that were leaving office.
Notice how they don't tell you that part of the story.
There are members of Congress that are not coming back
that voted on this. It would be nice if they
ran out actually honest enough to tell you that they
haven't told you that. The reason why it is very
clear they don't want you to know that. But remember
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this is all about doom and gloom, and I'm warning
you the propaganda is full speed ahead right now. Keep
listening to part two of this propaganda.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
One hundred and seventy Republicans, along with almost all of
the Democrats, approved a bill to temporarily fund the government
without raising the dead ceiling, again defying Trump's demand. Trump
had very good reason to insist on raising or eliminating
the dead ceiling. The government is on pace to hit
the limit on how much it can borrow next spring,
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and if it is not raised, the government faces default
with dire consequences for the economy and for the Trump agenda.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
This week proved he won't.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
Be able to count on Republicans alone to avert that disaster.
One casualty of this shutdown mess maybe the Speaker of
the House, Mike Johnson. He tried to do Trump's bidding,
and he failed, hurting his standing with the President's elect
and with at least some of his Republican colleagues. Will
he be re elected as Speaker when Congress reconvenes on
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January third, with a minuscule Republican majority that could take
a minor miracle. On the show this morning, we'll hear
from a.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Republican now again, that is the lead in.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
You just noticed in that lead in there was not
a single thing about a massive cut in the number
of pages. That is the beginning of ABC's this week
when they're running their biggest show of the week and
they start with Congress chaos. Chaos, by the way, you
could argue to be a government shutdown which we didn't have.
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Chaos would be passing a bill that no one had
read which didn't happen. Chaos would be a bill filled
with pork so big that it was seventeen sixteen hundred
pages that didn't happen. We cut fifteen hundred pages from
a bill. Does that sound like chaos? Doesn't sound like
chaos to me. We have a speaker who had a
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very tight majority and got a deal done to avert
a government shutdown, which they would have definitely blamed on
Donald Trump. That didn't happen either. We have a debt
ceiling vote that's gonna come up, no doubt about it.
But the reality is they've got now time to think
about how they're gonna do it, and how they're gonna
do it in the best way possible. I will go
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back to what I said at the beginning. I don't
believe that Speaker Johnson has a massive sourd relationship with
Donald Trump right now. I think that's a media telling
a lie. I wanted to start a civil war. I
believe that this was a great scenario, a great scenario
that what just took place, and I'm glad that it
took place the way that it did. I'm glad we
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got rid of fifteen hundred pages. This was what I
would refer to as a very clear victory for Donald Trump.
And yet the media doesn't mention the number of pages cut,
and they'll tell you it's a terrible day in America.
You need to remember they lie to you on purpose
for a reason. They lie to you on purpose because
they want you to hate Trump and they want you
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to hate Speaker Johnson, and they want you to think
they can't govern, and they want you to be angry.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Don't take the bait.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Enjoy knowing that we just had a victory of cutting
government waste and spending the question is how was the
deal done and how did it turn out to be
so different than what was originally going to happen. It
is the art of the deal, that's the best way
I can describe it. And it was a deal that
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certainly was going to put us in a better place
than we were before because many Conservatives were willing to
stand up and fight hard. The Maga revolt, that's how
it's being described in the press right now. Slash the
original one thousand, five hundred and forty seven page spending
bill all the way down to just one hundred and
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eighteen pages this Friday, and the House bill to a
vertic government shutdown was trimmed by one thousand, three hundred
and fifty nine pages after conservatives said, no, we are
not going to have this massive expansion of government in
a continuing resolution and we're not going to have the
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pork barrel spending in the cr as Well. House Speaker
Mike Johnson's original measure was filled with pork, there's no
doubt about it.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Now.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
He also had to work a deal because he had
to deal with Republicans and Democrats, and that's a very
tough spot to be in. I want to be clear
about that. I'm going to explain more about why I
say that in a moment, but the reduction in size
underscores what I would say is the failure by the
pork barrel spenders in DC who wanted to pass a
massive spending bill with Democrats support that few had even
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read before some members were asked to vote on it,
and that is a problem. There is an appetite for
government reform right now. There's an appetite for reducing the
size of government. It's very clear that there was a
mandate for that in this last election. There is a
huge appetite in people supporting and advocating for DOGE. That
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is going to be streamlining and changing how we do
and run and spend our money in the US. That's
being done by Elon Musk and by vi vic Ramaswamie
at the leadership of Donald Trump. Now you put all
that together and Democrats are angry. They're angry at Elon Musk,
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and they're angry at MAGA. They're angry at Conservatives for
standing up to the government waste and abuse. How angry
are they? Let me play for you. Rosa Delaro, who
lost her mind on the floor of the House is
She's angry as she describes it, that there is some
man who is electtion did by no one, who is
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now giving marching orders to the House and the Republicans
to shut down the government. Issue described it. Take a
listen to the purpled haired Democrat from Connecticut.
Speaker 8 (21:14):
We are on the cusp of an agreement to move
this country forward. But two days ago, a multi billionaire
with apparently no working knowledge of our government or of appropriations,
someone who is a self appointed president of the United States,
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Elon Musk, issued a marching order for House Republicans to
go against their own elected leadership. Shut down the government,
shut down the government. House Republicans are responsible for any
harm and uncertainty brought upon the American people, and should
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some get their wish for a month long governmen shut down,
they will be responsible for cleaning up their mess come
inauguration day. Indeed, we are in completely unprecedented times when
someone who has no knowledge of government, who has no
knowledge of an appropriations process, who is external to the
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House of Representatives, can make his weight felt here in
turning what was a bill that was on its way,
a bipartisan bill, a bi camer bill, was on its
way to achieving its goal of keeping the US government open,
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and the goal actually is providing services to American citizens,
to working families, middle class families, vulnerable families are where
our responsibility lies. World's richest man reaping billions in government
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contracts is calling the shots in the Republican Party at
the behest of the world's richest man, who no one
voted for. The United States Congress has been thrown into
pandemonian It leads you to the question of who is
in charge. I thought that there was a Republican majority
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in this body, not a President Musk majority.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Now let's talk about what she said. Quote the self
appointed President of the United States, Elon Mussys, he'd a
marching order for House Republicans to shut the government down.
What he made, what he actually did was he said, no,
I'm calling out the abuse of power. I'm calling out
the fact that you've got a bill that no one's read,
the five and forty seven pages long, filled with port
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bell spending, and I want to reduce it. And we
did and condensed it into one hundred and eighteen pages
and excluded the extreme amount of pork that Johnson allowed
by the way in the original bill, Elon Musk is
not the President of the United States of America. But
what Elon Musk did was give a voice to the
voiceless in this country and those that don't have the
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type of power to get the word out that he
clearly does. And the American people clearly agreed with him,
and the American people acted, and the American people called
their congressman, and the American people got rid literally, this
is not exaggeration, got rid of one thousand, three hundred
and fifty nine pages of government waste, abuse and fraud.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
That is incredible. So was it worth it? Yes? Was
it anarchy? No?
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Was it Elon Musk giving power to the people to
make sure that the people were able to do what
they need to do and saying no to mass suspending.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Now here's what you need to know about what they
have passed on the House side. And I'm going to
get to the Senate in a moment, because the Senate
is controlled, as you know, by the Democrats. Right now,
the bill will fund the government until March fourteenth. It
also includes disaster relief and farm aid, which is very important.
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The bill does not include an extension of the debt limit,
which President elect Donald Trump demanded, that will place Johnson's
reelection on January third for Speaker in a very precarious position.
I want to be clear, I support Speaker Johnson, and
I think we would get a much more liberal speaker
if Speaker Johnson is pushed out. And I don't like
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what we're doing right now. Every time somebody because there's
such a thin margin for Republicans that there's a lot
of power now given to certain members in Congress. And
I don't like where we're headed with this, because if
you don't like your one way or the way things
are going, the fact that you can get rid of
another speaker, I think is a very bad decision. I
also think the Speaker Johnson has done a very good job,
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and I think you will serve Donald Trump very well,
much better than Kevin McCarthy would have ever done. And
if he's not careful, what's going to happen is you're
going to end up getting a more liberal member of
the body who would end up becoming the Speaker of
the House because they'll get some votes from Democrats to
do it more than likely, and then you'll lose an
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actual conservative in Speaker Johnson. That's where we are now
with this. Now, let me also put it this way.
Punch Bowl News reported on the politics the latest proposed measure,
saying this Johnson is now pushing a short term funding
bill that keeps federal agencies open until mid March. The
bill would include a hundred billion in disaster aid for
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the hurricane batter in southeast and other states. There's also
thirty billion in aid for farmers and a one year
extension of the current agriculture policy. The measure will be
taken up under suspicion according to senior GOP lawmakers and
AIDS meeting, meaning it needs a two third majority to pass.
There'll be one vote instead of individual votes on the
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component parts as Johnson's first envisioned. Now what we know
is what happened. What we know now, it's very clear
this has past the House, and it's passed the House,
and it now is the sentence. And I'm going to
talk about that vote obviously in a moment. But what
I want you to understand is this Speaker Johnson was
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able to get this bill to drop significantly in size
and save you the taxpayers, hundreds of billions of dollars.
The problem now is you're now going to have a
debt sealing vote come early next year, and that's going
to be under the Republican leadership and under Donald Trump.
There are many people that didn't want that, don't like it,
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didn't want to have to deal with, and that's a
political issue that we're going to obviously have to deal with.
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And we will see you back here tomorrow.
So we all know that the House was able to
cut about fifteen hundred pages of a ridiculous bill continuing
resolution that was filled with waste and abuse and just
pure corruption of Washington, DC. We know now that the
Senate has passed it, so there's not going to be
a government shut down now. In general, I want to
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be clear, this is great news. The media is going
to spend this in a different way. What the media
is going to do is they are going to spin
it to tell you to make you believe, okay, that
this is somehow it was a big waste of time
and that nothing actually big, good or successful came out
(00:44):
of this. I'll give you an example of what I
mean by this. Center Haggerty, Republican Tennessee, was on a
State of the Union on CNN on Sunday, and I
want you to hear what he had to say as
try to turn averting a shutdown, which is a victory,
(01:04):
into a somehow disaster and also trying to claim that
you guys really didn't accomplish anything at all by cutting
fifteen hundred pages of spending, waste, abuse and fraud and
just pure corruption out of the first bill which turned
into the second bill that was one hundred and something pages.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
All Right, I want.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
You to hear CNN putting this together, trying to tell
America that this was somehow a failure for Trump, a
failure for people that want to have responsibility and spending,
a failure for Elon Musk, a failure for ramasawm Me,
a failure for DOJE, even though it clearly was a victory.
And then they're like, oh, and by the way, you
(01:46):
guys didn't increase the debt ceiling, so you're gonna have
to do that in Trump and Trump demand it. So
you guys failed in there. So this is a disaster. Look,
you still got to get the votes, and you have
a Democratic Senate, and the Democratic Senate had to agree
to something, and I think they weren't going to agree
to increase the debt ceiling because they want to force
Donald Trump to do that when he's in office.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
So there's what you want and there's reality.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
And the reality was Republicans had to give something to
the Senate that the Senate would actually pass. And so
Democrats made it very clear they did not want to
increase the debt ceiling, even though this is clearly Joe
Biden's fault, and they want to hand that negative to
Donald Trump when he comes into office in January. So again,
(02:33):
you want to know how corrupt CNN is. You want
to know how bad, how terrible Dana Basti is at
her job, and you want to hear just how evil
they are about telling you what's actually going on in America.
Listen to this back and forth with her and with
Senator Bill Haggerty. He's on the Appropriations Committee. That's why
they had him on.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Listen.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Understandable given what you just described and what we all witnessed,
but also given the fact that you know him well
and you understand what he was going for. The final
spending bill that you all approved did not have any
new spending cuts. It didn't include the debt limit increase
that Donald Trump was demanding. So what did he accomplish
(03:14):
with all of this?
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Well, the main thing, and I can share with you
my perspective on a Dana, is this. We have had
our appropriations bills on the floor of the United States
Senate since this past summer. Chuck Schumer has refused to
bring them forward. This is a typical Washington process where
we wind up with a work product that the American
public can't possibly understand. They dumped over fifteen hundred pages
(03:36):
on us, and Elon Musk, using the tool of Twitter,
brought transparency to the entirety of it. The American public
were shocked. We always shocked, and we see these types
of monstrosities at the last minute that haven't been properly vetted.
And President of Trump was able to bring his weight
to the table and say, look, this has got to stop.
This has got to be skinning down, this has got
to change. My overarching goal coming into this was to
(03:56):
make certain that the government didn't shut down because President
Trump over the next thirty days needs to be able
to process his nominees. We need to be able to
put him place to get to work on January the twentieth,
because three quarters of the American public feel that the
United States is on the wrong track right now. So
I appreciate the fact that Elon Musk made this transparent
and that we were able to actually improve this. We
(04:17):
didn't get everything we wanted, certainly I didn't, but we're
in a better place now because we're going to be
in a position to make certain that President Trump is
ready to go on day one.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
I got to give kudos to Haggerty for dealing with
it the way that he just did and saying it
the way that he just did. They dumped over fifteen
hundred pages on us, and I appreciate the fact that
Elon Musk made this transparent. This is the reason why
I will never trust the media again because the lack
of transparency from the media. They don't want there to
(04:46):
be transparency. They do not want for you and I
to know what's happening. Neither does the Swamp. They want
us guessing all the time. They don't want us to
understand what is in the bills. This goes back to
Nancy Pelosi. We won't know what's in the bill until
we pass the bill. That is the mantra of the left.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
All right.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Now, there's a second part of this that I want
you to know about that it's becoming an issue as well,
and that is Speaker Johnson. There are many that are
hoping that Donald Trump will come in and that there
will be a big fight and they will get rid
of Speaker Johnson, and that there will be chaos within
the Republican Party. I'm going to say what I said earlier.
(05:28):
I'm going to warn you about this right now. Speaker
Johnson at this point is clearly the most conservative.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Speaker that we could get.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
And if we get rid of Speaker Johnson, I'm telling
you right now, we're going to get a much more
liberal speaker. That is why Democrats are pushing for this. Okay,
I'll give you an example of how they're starting to
bring this into an issue on ABC this week. What
did they say about Speaker Johnson. What they said was, well,
he's in real trouble and they're wanting this to be
(05:57):
the story going into January.
Speaker 5 (05:59):
Carefully, join now by ABC News contributing political correspondent and
Political Capital Bureau chief Rachel Bade. So, Rachel, why did
so many Republicans defy Trump?
Speaker 6 (06:13):
Well, you know, John, in a lot of ways, I
feel like President Trump was sort of asking for the
impossible in this situation. I mean, there's been a lot
of hot takes out there that he in some way
has lost his juice with Republicans or his sway with
the party. I don't buy that, and I'll tell you why.
I Mean, if you look at debt sealing votes, historically,
this is a toxic vote for Republicans, especially when you're
trying to raise the debt ceialing without corresponding spending cuts
(06:35):
or really any spending cuts whatsoever. And I went back
and looked at a lot of the votes on the
debt ceiling in past years, even when President Trump was
president before, and way more Republicans opposed it. I'm talking
about in the hundreds up to two hundred at one point,
and so I'm surprised that only thirty eight Republicans actually
opposed this. The bigger issue, in my view, is this
sheer breakdown in communication between President Trump and Speaker Johnson here,
(06:58):
I mean President Trump.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
By the way, you notice how all this is doom
and gloom, Like, are you hearing this? We cut fifteen
hundred pages of government waste and they're saying it's doom
and gloom. We cut a bill with transparency because of
the influence of Donald Trump and Elon Musk and X
and putting it out there, having transparency for the people,
(07:21):
and they're telling you it's doom and gloom. I want
you to understand that what happened to Donald Trump in
twenty sixteen is exactly the way the media is wanting
twenty twenty four to go he's lost his juice. He's
already he's already in trouble. Things are. This is a
disaster for Republicans. They're already fighting. I can't believe that
(07:42):
in cut government spending. I can't believe that they were
in this situation. Donald Trump had an unrealistic expectation for Republicans,
all of.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
This doom and gloom.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Even in a successful vote to cut a bill by
fifteen hundred pages, eighty something percent of the pages disappeared
because of transparency. And somehow they start every single Sunday
morning talk show saying the same damn thing. Wow, Donald
Trump may have lost his juice. Donald Trump got screwed
by Republicans. The Speaker of the House is gonna lose everything. Oh,
(08:20):
look how bad things are. Woe is me. Look how
terrible things are. Look how awful things are? One after
another after another, after another after another. Doom and gloom,
doom and gloom, doom and gloom, doom and gloom, doom
and gloom.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
It's constant with these people. It is constant.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
And so what I would say is, when you hear this,
look at the reality of the situation.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Was this a success this week? Yes?
Speaker 1 (08:43):
What I've loved for the debt cealing't have been raised. Yes,
but I'm also realist and I know that the Democrats
have controlled the Senate and they weren't going to vote
for that, and then there would have been a government shutdown,
and it wasn't gonna hurt Joe Biden because he's already
out of office, and then Donald Trump could have inherited
a government that was shut down. If you go back
to ABC This Week and the second part of the interview.
So the first part is everything's bad, donald Trump's losses Mojoe,
(09:05):
Democrats are brilliant, and Donald Trump is going to lose
a speaker, Right, that's the second part of this, right,
because they're going to tell you how bad things are,
and then they're going to they're starting they're trying to
start civil war between Speaker Johnson and Maga Republicans so
that you believe that he is a terrible person. And
it's all about you believing that. Listen to part two
(09:25):
of ABC This Week where they say, and then this
war between Speaker Johnson, don't Trump, Oh, it's really bad, folks.
Speaker 6 (09:33):
Telling Johnson he wanted him to do this right after
the election, that They've been talking about this for a
long time. Johnson's folks have been sort of under the
impression that this wasn't a big priority for President Trump
until two days before the deadline when he came up
and sort of blew up the deal. Also, President Trump
was under the impression that when he did add the
debt ceiling to the CR the Continuing Resolution, that it
was actually going to pass. And that's why he sort
(09:53):
of leaned in and tried to sort of say, look, Republicans,
you need to do this. If he had known he
was going to lose thirty eight Republicans, he would have
done this. And so the relationship right now, I mean,
they've got some work to do if they want to
be effective next year.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
They've got some work to do, Folks. I don't believe,
by the way, any of the craps you just said.
I think Donald Trump leaned in to cut fifteen hundred
pages of a sixteen hundred plus page bill. And that's
what he leaned in on. Did he get everything he
wanted to know? Our Democrats in control of the Senate, Yes,
Is there a slim majority in the House, yes?
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Was this going to be tough to do? Right?
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Before people are leaving, and many people are leaving Congress
forever that lost reelection because they're going to stick it
to Donald Trump, including some Republicans at loss. Yes, do
I believe in this doom and gloom the way that
they're talking about it.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
I do not.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
I do not at all. And then listen to this
part where they're like, oh, well, now we got it.
We got a problem with Speaker Johnson.
Speaker 7 (10:48):
Good speaker of Jenuiny there it's the million dollar question
right now John I will say people have underestimated Johnson
quite a bit in the past year, and oftentimes he
sort of, you know.
Speaker 6 (10:57):
Outless his naysayers here. But the situation is different. I mean,
I've talked to a lot of Trump folks over the
past couple of days, and Trump has really soured on him.
It feels like something in this relationship has really broken.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
The days it needs Trump to get reelected.
Speaker 6 (11:12):
Absolutely, he needs Trump, and not only does he need
Trump's endorsement, He's going to need President Trump to lean
in to actually get that gavel. And right now I'm
hearing from people that there's a real question about whether
Trump's going to lift a finger for him to do this.
I think the question Trump has to ask himself is
ousting Johnson worth potentially upending his agenda at the beginning
of the year and creating this sort of stall in momentum.
(11:36):
I mean, look, we remember the speakership chaos when.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
McCarthy is out.
Speaker 6 (11:41):
A whole month went by when we had no idea
who was leading the conference. Right now, this speakership vote
is set for January third. President Trump, his victory is
set to be certified on January sixth.
Speaker 7 (11:51):
I was talking to.
Speaker 6 (11:51):
Someone last night, pretty high up and Republican on the Hill,
who was saying that without a speaker, you can't certify
his election. So does he really want to do this?
He want to stall his agenda, but perhaps he feels
like it's worth it. I guess time will tell, all right,
Rachel Vage.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
By the way, I want to tell you multiple reasons
why I disagree with the analysis that I just played
for you. I don't believe that their rift is anything
close to what they're trying to do on TV, which
is to trying to start a civil war. I believe
that Speaker Johnson and Donald Trump have a good working relationship.
They have done multiple events together recently, he's been done
(12:29):
at mar Lago recently. Multiple times, they had multiple events
together on the campaign trail. They helped raise money to
get others elected, Republicans elected, and they worked really well
getting Donald Trump into tight races to make sure that
they were able to win a Senate majority, as thin
as it may be a House majority.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
I should say, as soon as it may be.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
I don't believe this idea that Speaker Johnson is in
serious trouble. In fact, I would argue that Donald Trump
is smart enough for right now to say, hey, I
need to move forward with an agenda with a conservative
and Speaker Johnson is the best conservative that could get
elected right now. What they're hoping is that this is
(13:12):
a party in chaos. Headline today Johnson Carl Congress chaos right.
This is this is how they spread it to the country.
This is how they try to start a civil war.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
Listen, if you were watching Congress this week, you might
have thought for a moment that Donald Trump is already president.
Along with his most high profile and wealthiest advisor, Trump
upended a bipartisan spending deal that had been months in
the making. But the power of a president elects, just
like the power of a president only goes so far.
(13:47):
And while Trump's hold on the Republican Party is not
in doubt, we saw that his power to get Congress
to do what he wants has its limits. As Congress
veered towards a shutdown, Trump made only one non negotiable demand.
He said that the bill to keep the government open
must also increase or abolish the so called debt cealing
(14:08):
that's the amount the federal government can.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Borrow to pay its bills.
Speaker 5 (14:12):
Without this, Trump said on social media, we should never
make a deal. And this wasn't just advice. It came
with a warning that he might campaign against Republicans who
dared to defy him. Trump declaring any Republican that would
be so stupid as to do this should and will
be primaried. And even with that, thirty eight Republicans defied
(14:36):
their president's elect. They were either unworried about his warning
or simply didn't take it seriously, and.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
In the end, or it was Republicans that were leaving office.
Notice how they don't tell you that part of the story.
There are members of Congress that are not coming back
that voted on this. It would be nice if they
ran out actually honest enough to tell you that they
haven't told you that. The reason why it is very
clear they don't want you to know that. But remember
(15:05):
this is all about doom and gloom, and I'm warning
you the propaganda is full speed ahead right now. Keep
listening to part two of this propaganda.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
One hundred and seventy Republicans, along with almost all of
the Democrats, approved a bill to temporarily fund the government
without raising the dead ceiling, again defying Trump's demand. Trump
had very good reason to insist on raising or eliminating
the dead ceiling. The government is on pace to hit
the limit on how much it can borrow next spring,
(15:38):
and if it is not raised, the government faces default
with dire consequences for the economy and for the Trump agenda.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
This week proved he won't.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
Be able to count on Republicans alone to avert that disaster.
One casualty of this shutdown mess maybe the Speaker of
the House, Mike Johnson. He tried to do Trump's bidding,
and he failed, hurting his standing with the President's elect
and with at least some of his Republican colleagues. Will
he be re elected as Speaker when Congress reconvenes on
(16:11):
January third, with a minuscule Republican majority that could take
a minor miracle. On the show this morning, we'll hear
from a.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Republican now again, that is the lead in.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
You just noticed in that lead in there was not
a single thing about a massive cut in the number
of pages. That is the beginning of ABC's this week
when they're running their biggest show of the week and
they start with Congress chaos. Chaos, by the way, you
could argue to be a government shutdown which we didn't have.
(16:45):
Chaos would be passing a bill that no one had
read which didn't happen. Chaos would be a bill filled
with pork so big that it was seventeen sixteen hundred
pages that didn't happen. We cut fifteen hundred pages from
a bill. Does that sound like chaos? Doesn't sound like
chaos to me. We have a speaker who had a
(17:09):
very tight majority and got a deal done to avert
a government shutdown, which they would have definitely blamed on
Donald Trump. That didn't happen either. We have a debt
ceiling vote that's gonna come up, no doubt about it.
But the reality is they've got now time to think
about how they're gonna do it, and how they're gonna
do it in the best way possible. I will go
(17:30):
back to what I said at the beginning. I don't
believe that Speaker Johnson has a massive sourd relationship with
Donald Trump right now. I think that's a media telling
a lie. I wanted to start a civil war. I
believe that this was a great scenario, a great scenario
that what just took place, and I'm glad that it
took place the way that it did. I'm glad we
(17:51):
got rid of fifteen hundred pages. This was what I
would refer to as a very clear victory for Donald Trump.
And yet the media doesn't mention the number of pages cut,
and they'll tell you it's a terrible day in America.
You need to remember they lie to you on purpose
for a reason. They lie to you on purpose because
they want you to hate Trump and they want you
(18:11):
to hate Speaker Johnson, and they want you to think
they can't govern, and they want you to be angry.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Don't take the bait.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Enjoy knowing that we just had a victory of cutting
government waste and spending the question is how was the
deal done and how did it turn out to be
so different than what was originally going to happen. It
is the art of the deal, that's the best way
I can describe it. And it was a deal that
(18:40):
certainly was going to put us in a better place
than we were before because many Conservatives were willing to
stand up and fight hard. The Maga revolt, that's how
it's being described in the press right now. Slash the
original one thousand, five hundred and forty seven page spending
bill all the way down to just one hundred and
(19:04):
eighteen pages this Friday, and the House bill to a
vertic government shutdown was trimmed by one thousand, three hundred
and fifty nine pages after conservatives said, no, we are
not going to have this massive expansion of government in
a continuing resolution and we're not going to have the
(19:26):
pork barrel spending in the cr as Well. House Speaker
Mike Johnson's original measure was filled with pork, there's no
doubt about it.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Now.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
He also had to work a deal because he had
to deal with Republicans and Democrats, and that's a very
tough spot to be in. I want to be clear
about that. I'm going to explain more about why I
say that in a moment, but the reduction in size
underscores what I would say is the failure by the
pork barrel spenders in DC who wanted to pass a
massive spending bill with Democrats support that few had even
(19:58):
read before some members were asked to vote on it,
and that is a problem. There is an appetite for
government reform right now. There's an appetite for reducing the
size of government. It's very clear that there was a
mandate for that in this last election. There is a
huge appetite in people supporting and advocating for DOGE. That
(20:18):
is going to be streamlining and changing how we do
and run and spend our money in the US. That's
being done by Elon Musk and by vi vic Ramaswamie
at the leadership of Donald Trump. Now you put all
that together and Democrats are angry. They're angry at Elon Musk,
(20:40):
and they're angry at MAGA. They're angry at Conservatives for
standing up to the government waste and abuse. How angry
are they? Let me play for you. Rosa Delaro, who
lost her mind on the floor of the House is
She's angry as she describes it, that there is some
man who is electtion did by no one, who is
(21:02):
now giving marching orders to the House and the Republicans
to shut down the government. Issue described it. Take a
listen to the purpled haired Democrat from Connecticut.
Speaker 8 (21:14):
We are on the cusp of an agreement to move
this country forward. But two days ago, a multi billionaire
with apparently no working knowledge of our government or of appropriations,
someone who is a self appointed president of the United States,
(21:36):
Elon Musk, issued a marching order for House Republicans to
go against their own elected leadership. Shut down the government,
shut down the government. House Republicans are responsible for any
harm and uncertainty brought upon the American people, and should
(21:57):
some get their wish for a month long governmen shut down,
they will be responsible for cleaning up their mess come
inauguration day. Indeed, we are in completely unprecedented times when
someone who has no knowledge of government, who has no
knowledge of an appropriations process, who is external to the
(22:21):
House of Representatives, can make his weight felt here in
turning what was a bill that was on its way,
a bipartisan bill, a bi camer bill, was on its
way to achieving its goal of keeping the US government open,
(22:43):
and the goal actually is providing services to American citizens,
to working families, middle class families, vulnerable families are where
our responsibility lies. World's richest man reaping billions in government
(23:06):
contracts is calling the shots in the Republican Party at
the behest of the world's richest man, who no one
voted for. The United States Congress has been thrown into
pandemonian It leads you to the question of who is
in charge. I thought that there was a Republican majority
(23:32):
in this body, not a President Musk majority.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Now let's talk about what she said. Quote the self
appointed President of the United States, Elon Mussys, he'd a
marching order for House Republicans to shut the government down.
What he made, what he actually did was he said, no,
I'm calling out the abuse of power. I'm calling out
the fact that you've got a bill that no one's read,
the five and forty seven pages long, filled with port
(24:03):
bell spending, and I want to reduce it. And we
did and condensed it into one hundred and eighteen pages
and excluded the extreme amount of pork that Johnson allowed
by the way in the original bill, Elon Musk is
not the President of the United States of America. But
what Elon Musk did was give a voice to the
voiceless in this country and those that don't have the
(24:23):
type of power to get the word out that he
clearly does. And the American people clearly agreed with him,
and the American people acted, and the American people called
their congressman, and the American people got rid literally, this
is not exaggeration, got rid of one thousand, three hundred
and fifty nine pages of government waste, abuse and fraud.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
That is incredible. So was it worth it? Yes? Was
it anarchy? No?
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Was it Elon Musk giving power to the people to
make sure that the people were able to do what
they need to do and saying no to mass suspending.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Now here's what you need to know about what they
have passed on the House side. And I'm going to
get to the Senate in a moment, because the Senate
is controlled, as you know, by the Democrats. Right now,
the bill will fund the government until March fourteenth. It
also includes disaster relief and farm aid, which is very important.
(25:28):
The bill does not include an extension of the debt limit,
which President elect Donald Trump demanded, that will place Johnson's
reelection on January third for Speaker in a very precarious position.
I want to be clear, I support Speaker Johnson, and
I think we would get a much more liberal speaker
if Speaker Johnson is pushed out. And I don't like
(25:50):
what we're doing right now. Every time somebody because there's
such a thin margin for Republicans that there's a lot
of power now given to certain members in Congress. And
I don't like where we're headed with this, because if
you don't like your one way or the way things
are going, the fact that you can get rid of
another speaker, I think is a very bad decision. I
also think the Speaker Johnson has done a very good job,
(26:11):
and I think you will serve Donald Trump very well,
much better than Kevin McCarthy would have ever done. And
if he's not careful, what's going to happen is you're
going to end up getting a more liberal member of
the body who would end up becoming the Speaker of
the House because they'll get some votes from Democrats to
do it more than likely, and then you'll lose an
(26:32):
actual conservative in Speaker Johnson. That's where we are now
with this. Now, let me also put it this way.
Punch Bowl News reported on the politics the latest proposed measure,
saying this Johnson is now pushing a short term funding
bill that keeps federal agencies open until mid March. The
bill would include a hundred billion in disaster aid for
(26:53):
the hurricane batter in southeast and other states. There's also
thirty billion in aid for farmers and a one year
extension of the current agriculture policy. The measure will be
taken up under suspicion according to senior GOP lawmakers and
AIDS meeting, meaning it needs a two third majority to pass.
There'll be one vote instead of individual votes on the
(27:14):
component parts as Johnson's first envisioned. Now what we know
is what happened. What we know now, it's very clear
this has past the House, and it's passed the House,
and it now is the sentence. And I'm going to
talk about that vote obviously in a moment. But what
I want you to understand is this Speaker Johnson was
(27:37):
able to get this bill to drop significantly in size
and save you the taxpayers, hundreds of billions of dollars.
The problem now is you're now going to have a
debt sealing vote come early next year, and that's going
to be under the Republican leadership and under Donald Trump.
There are many people that didn't want that, don't like it,
(27:58):
didn't want to have to deal with, and that's a
political issue that we're going to obviously have to deal with.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
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