May 22, 2025 • 38 mins
The conversation centers around U.S. immigration policy, border security, and the actions taken under the Trump administration compared to the Biden administration. Key topics include:
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Border Security Achievements: Homan claims that under President Trump’s renewed leadership, the U.S. now has the most secure border in its history, citing dramatic reductions in illegal crossings and "gotaways."
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Policy Changes: The discussion emphasizes the impact of executive orders, ending "catch and release," and enforcing detention laws as major factors in reducing illegal immigration.
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Criticism of the Biden Administration: The hosts and guest heavily criticize President Biden and former DHS Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas, accusing them of deliberately undermining border security and enabling criminal activity.
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Sanctuary Cities: Homan discusses the dangers of sanctuary city policies, arguing they protect criminals and hinder ICE operations.
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Human Trafficking and Fentanyl: The episode highlights the humanitarian and public safety crises tied to open borders, including child trafficking and fentanyl smuggling.
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Calls for Accountability: There are calls for legal consequences for officials like Mayorkas, and praise for law enforcement and border agents.
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International Implications: The conversation touches on the role of Mexican drug cartels and the potential for U.S. military intervention to dismantle them.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Border security was one of the top issues for so
many Americans when it came to this past election and
supporting Donald Trump. And if there's anywhere he has a
mandated is in securing our border and also getting rid
of the millions of legal immigrants are in this country. Well,
the man who's in charge of the border, Tom Homan,
(00:21):
has now set down with Senator Cruz and I to
talk about where we are in.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Securing that border.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
What are the major threats now, whether it be Fetnohl
or terrorists that have already come into our country under
the open border policy of Biden Harris. I want you
to hear all that he had to say in this
sit down.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Take a listen. Well, Tom Homan is serving as President
Trump's Borders Are. He is the former acting director of
the US Immigration and Customs Enforcement and he has been
borders Are since Trump resumed office as president. His formal title,
which I like, is what White House Executive associates Director
(01:00):
of Enforcement and Removal Operations. And to be clear, his
job is to secure the border, keep US safe, and
remove dangerous illegal aliens. He's doing a hell of a job. Tom.
Welcome to Verdict.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Thanks for having me so Let's.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Start with just how are we doing. We're four months in,
almost five months into the Trump presidency. How are we doing?
Tell us what has happened since President Trump became president again?
On the border?
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Well, President Trump today, I'm talking to today Santa Cruz.
We have the most secure border in the history of
this nation today and most secure board ever. I mean
we even beat Trump forty five. Well, we hand the
Bide administration most secure boarder ever ahead of that time. Yeah,
but the data is even better now. And let me
give you a few numbers, just a few numbers. Under
(01:51):
Biden administration, we were dealing with ten eleven thousan even
a few times fifteen thousand aliens today yesterday was two
hundred and eleven. We went from thirteen fourteen thousand to
two hundred and eleven.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
And that's across the entire southwest border.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Yes, gotaways under Biden an average gotaway day and under
Biden was eighteen hundred plus eighteen hundred plus. What was
the got aways yesterday? Thirty nine?
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
And then the most impressive number the first hundred days
on President Trump compared to the first at the same
time period last year under Biden. Biden released over one
hundred and eighty four thousand illegal animates in this country
the Trump administration one there was nine releases, but for
more material witnesses. As you know, we want them come
(02:44):
here to testify in the cartol troal so form. We
want to command. Four came across the border in such
bad shape that we had to call an ambulans and
take care of the medical needs. We had allowment insided
do medical treatment, but we had one one discretionary release
compaired at one hundred and eighty four thousand released under
the same time period in biden most Secure Border Historistination
(03:06):
Interior Enforcement Offerings ICE's arrest of three times more criminals
one of them Biden did during the same time period.
We got more to rest, We got many more to rest.
Let's but they're already hitting the ball out of park
and we're gonna keep doing it. We need to do
more of it, and we're hoping for a budget real
soon here so we can step up efforts there. But
it's it's game changing. President Trump's been a game changer,
(03:27):
and the men and win vice and men women border
stood up taking on the task and cousin Trump did
in seven weeks, but Joe Biden couldn't or wouldn't do
in four years.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
My favorite line from from President Trump's most recent State
of the Union address it is when he said, you know,
Joe Biden stood here a year ago and said that
he couldn't secure the border without new legislation passing Congress.
And then Trump said, it turns out we didn't need
new legislation. We just needed a new president. And that's
powerfully true. So let me ask just just a simple
(03:58):
question for those Look, you're you're an immigration expert, but
for someone at home, how did the numbers drop so precipitously?
What specifically are y'all doing differently than what Joe Biden,
Kamala Harris did.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
The biggest thing we've done is President's executive orders that
we're a game changer, remain in Mexico a game changer.
I have the third SAIF Country agreements a game changer,
and finally ending catcher release. People know, you come to
a border, now you're not being released, and we just
follow the law because, as you know, under federal statue,
(04:34):
an ailien arrives at our border without proper documentation to
enter the language is you shall be detained now, maybe
not thinking about it, not problem shall and that's exactly
why we're doing. Those three things by themselves have been
a major game changer, and all three of them were
executive orders by President.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Trump's But I want to talk to you real quick
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on seven different fronts. They do have a red alert
(05:14):
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(05:34):
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(05:55):
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That's if CJ dot org. You mentioned budget a moment
ago and how important it is to have the budget
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for you guys to continue your job.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Explain for everyone listening.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Is that referencing that the big beautiful bill and what
is in there that you need so much to continue
to do your job at the border.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Well, we want to make the border secure permanently, so
we need more infrastructure, right, so we need to finish
building a wall. Now, let's be clear. Every place they
build a border barrier, illegal migrations went down, illegal drug
flow went down, But most important, walls saved lives. Women
and children can't get over that wall, the most vulnerable,
so they go to a place, Well there's not a
wall on. What's waiting on them the men and women
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of the Border patrol first of all, So it's ball
saves lives. So we need to finish the border barrier.
We need money to finish the technology within the existing
border wall, because not only did Present buy in stop
the construction of the wall, he stopped adding the technology
in that smart wall. Technology that lets us know how
someone climbs that wall, touch this wall, dig on under
that wall. Technology where borbitual agents in the middle of
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nowhere can get on the radio and use the wall
as a repeater to talk to other agents for help.
There are some places on the southern border where they
lose all communications, so all that technology needs to be done.
More technology yet and portive entries to make sure no
Ventano's coming through. And as far as the entire enforcement,
we need beds. Right now, we got about fifty two
thousand people in detention. We're funder that thirty four thousand
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ice is already in the hole. We need about one
hundred thousand beds because everybody we arrest needs a bet.
We just don't rest somebody in New York City and
put them on a plane leave. We got to detaining
for several days or several weeks to get travel doctrines,
get flight arrangements, flight finances. So we need bets. So
we need. You know, so this budget, that depending budget
right now, the big beautiful Bill will give us some
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money fi those beds. They're going to give us thousands
of more borbitual license, thousands more ICE agents. It's going
to give ICE a budget to bring in more contracts up.
What I mean by that badges and guns shouldn't be
sitting at a desk doing reports of processing. They shouldn't
be sitting at a desk doing travel documents and all
the all the administrative duties that occurred within ICE. You
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can have a contractor sitting there doing that work. Give
that badging gun, get them out on the street to
arrest the public safety thrusts and national security threats. So
we needed the money to. Like I said, we're doing
more than Biden did, but Biden wasn't doing anything. We
need to do ten times more than buying too, not
three times more. And I'll leave you with this. We
got seven hundred thousand illegal Alians in this country with
a criminal conviction walking the streets this country. We got
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to get them, We got to get it quickly. We
got one point four man illegal aliens who do have
du process a great taxpayer expense, were ordered removed by
a federal judge and didn't leave, and they become fusitives.
We got a lot of work to do and we
need money to do more. We're doing good, but more
money we have, the more we.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Can do well. And Ben, I'll say this that Congress,
we will get this Reconciliation bill passed. It's gonna take time,
it's gonna be bumpy, but we'll get it done. And
when we get it done, we're gonna have funding to
build the wall. We're gonna have funding for technology on
the wall. We're gonna have funding for more border patrol agents.
We're gonna have funding for more ice agents. We're gonna
have funding for more detention beds. We're gonna have funding
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for more fixed wing and rotary wing aircraft. We're gonna
have funding for more drones and more infrared and technology.
We are stepping in now. It's gonna take a little
bit of time to get the bill across the finish line,
but I'm confident we'll do it. And I will say
it really underscores something we've said on Verdict many times,
which is the most important factor in securing the border.
(09:38):
And this is what Tom said just a minute ago.
It is a policy decision, and it is a decision
what happens when you apprehend an illegal immigrant. And if
the answer is you put them on a plane and
you fly them back home. They all have cell phones.
They pick up their phones and they call home and
they say, don't come. They're not letting you stay. And
the flip side is true if when you you apprehend them,
(10:00):
you let them go. You say what city do you
want to go to? And you put them on a plane,
you put them on a bus, and you let them
go in every city in America, which is what Joe
Biden was doing. Again, they all have phones. They pick
up the phone, they call their friends and family, and
the numbers skyrocket. And so when President Trump left office
the first time, he had produced the lowest rate of
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illegal immigration in forty five years. That's what Joe Biden inherited.
It immediately skyrocketed to the worst rate of illegal immigration
in history. Joe Biden allowed twelve million of the illegal
immigrants to come into this country. And regular listeners of
Verdict will recall I predicted. I said, we will see
the numbers plummet, and it won't take a year, it
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won't even take six months. It will happen immediately because
on day one, catch and release is going to end
and we're going to see the numbers plummet. Now, all
that being said, Tom, let me ask you honestly, I
will admit I predicted loudly that the numbers would plummet.
I'll confess I didn't think they'd drop over ninety nine percent.
Are you I'm surprised at just how massive the success is.
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Are Are you a little bit surprised.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Or no, I'm not surprised for all the success. I'm
surprised how fast that happened. When President Trump, when he
called me, asked me to be the borders. Our course,
I didn't has day came back and the first meeting
who he had, he asked me, how long would it
take you down the secure the border? I says, sir,
I need I need at least one hundred and twenty days.
He says, well, they kid a ninety I said, sir,
I'll to respect one hundred and twenty days, even pushing
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that we did this in seven weeks. Seven weeks numbers
already down.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
And You're exactly right. Everything you said was right. But
I want to add one thing. When Joe Biden opened
that border up. He's the first president in the history
of this nation who came into office and unsecured a
border on purpose. This wasn't mismanagement, this wasn't incompetence. He
ran on open borders, and that's exactly what he did.
You know, so when you tell the whole world enter
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this country legally, don't worry about it. We're going to
release you anyways. And when you've got a secretary of
ma orkist on ice, you can't arrest somebody for being
here illegally unless they got a serious criminal conviction. The
whole world's going to come. You can cross the border illegally.
You get released in twenty four hours. We won't give
you a free plane ticket to the city of your choice.
We're going to put you in a free hotel room.
We're going to give you three meals a day, We're
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going to give you free medical attention, and guess what,
hang out for one hundred and twenty days. We're going
to give you a work offficization. The very reason they
came here not because of asylum, because they wanted a job.
So Biden did what he did on purpose and President
Trump came back in seven weeks. Again seven weeks did
what Joe Biden couldn't do or wouldn't do.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Repeat the numbers you said about how many illegals are
in the US right now who have criminal convictions. And
to be clear, these are convictions for crimes other than
crossing illegally into the country. Every illegal has committed that crime.
But how many have convictions for murder, for rape, for
other crimes other than crossing the border illegally.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Just under seven hundred thousand.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
I mean, that is a stunning number. And what you're saying,
and I agree with you, is that Joe Biden deliberately
chose we're going to leave murderers here, We're going to
leave rapists in America, We're going to leave child molesters
in America. We're not going to send ice to arrest them,
We're not going to pick them up, we're not going
to deport them. That they put partisan politics above protecting
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American families, about protecting our kids.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
And that's why I woke up four years pissed off
every morning. President Trump when he called me, asked me
to come back, and he said to me, we've been
even bitching about it for four years, want to come
back and fix it? And I did because I knew
every morning I wake up, And Senator you know this
just as well as I do. I knew every morning
I woke up. How many children died acrossing the borders
till last night. Yeah, how many women got sexually assaulted,
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how many people on Terrace Rosster's got across the border.
How many women and children were sex trafficking this country?
How many billions of dollars in the car tells make
how many Americans died in the last twenty four hour
from Fetanah coming across the open border? For four years?
I was pissed off. President Trump came back, like I said,
in seven weeks, we had a border down ninety percent
in seven weeks. So you know, if you said it
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was a matter of president, the matter of enforce the law,
you know, I'll tell you it's in a cruise. And
you know, every time I see in the meeting, every
time I see you in the meeting, I call you out.
I call you out because you've been a tip of
the speer on this thing. I appreciate your working this.
You're from Texas, you know, And God bless Governor Abbit
and Governor Abbitt did he was more of a Secretary
of Homeland Security moral it's ever been to wherever thought
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of being so God blessed day of Texas. They took
the first rail on this and again, I can't thank
you enough. Every time I see I call you out,
thank you for being the tip of the spear. I
see you everywhere wanting the secure border, and you're fighting
hard for me, and you're fighting hard for the men
and women the border tow You're fighting hard for the
men and women of Ice. I love each and every
one of those men to put their life on line
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for this country every day, men and women, and I
appreciate your fight for them. You've had their sixth and
day one and I love you for it. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Well, Tom, let me thank you for that. I appreciate that,
and I appreciate your passion and commitment. You're showing up
and you said something that I think is really important
for our listeners to understand. You and President Trump right
now are quite literally saving lives. You are saving lives.
There are Americans, and there are significant number of Americans
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who are alive today because a violent criminal did not
cross the border, was not released, and didn't murder them.
There are women who have not been raped because you've
stopped the Biden practice of releasing rapists. There are children,
and the number of children who haven't been physically and
sexually assaulted by human traffickers. It is already I think,
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well into the thousands. And I want you to think
about that. Thousands of little girls, thousands of little boys
have not been violently, repeatedly raped by human traffickers. Why.
Because President Trump came in and because you've been the
borders are implementing it and secured the border, and those
kids are no longer being trafficked. That is a profound
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legacy in just four or five months.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
And then we go one step further. Trump asked me
to do three things. Security border, run the large largest
deportation offeras I have ever seen, and find these children,
and buy an administration. Over half a million children were
smuggling in this country, separated from their family, smoggling this
country and put in the hands of sponsors, many unvettered sponsors.
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The last administration lost track of three hundred thousand of them.
Doesn't Trump's committed to finding as many as you can
We've already found over seventy five hundred of them. Wow,
someone were for free, safe with families. Some were perfectly
safe and some weren't. Example just there for yes, say
a fourteen year old little girl already to sex traffic
was pregnant living with two men who trafficking. There whether
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they're going to prison, and we're helping that little girl.
So we're going to rescue everyone of these little girls
and make sure that they're safe. And so many of
them are going to be okay with family members, they
just didn't respond to followings or so forth. But many,
I guarantee, I've been doing this for over forty years.
Many of them are in sex trafficking. Many of them
are in forced labor, living a life of hell every day.
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We're committed to find every one of these little children
and making sure they're safe.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Tom, you mentioned finding them all. Let's talk about sanctuary
cities for a second. It's very clear Democrats are not
backing off of that. How dangerous is the policy and
who is being harbored in these cities that are refusing
to work with you guys? Will there be accountability? Are
they harboring MS thirteen gang members? And domestic terrorists, foreign terrorists, uh,
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those that are putting the Fetnoel out in society. How
dangerous are these cities?
Speaker 3 (17:47):
They're the dangerous for everybody because in a sanctuary city meets,
I don't have access to the jail or rust a
bad guy public safety threat in the safety and security
of the jail. Were they alien safe, the officers safe,
on the public safe. When sanctuary cities knowingly leased a
public safety a threat back in the street, it certainly
puts the community at risk. It even puts an alien
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at risk because anything can happen during the street arrest
and great, it puts your officers that great arrest because
now we've got to arrest a criminal alien public safety
threat on his turf. We has access to who knows
what weapons. It's very dangerous and natural host sanctuary cities accountable.
Its PAM binding has already fought lawsuits against several were
we're working with DJ now again. We want we want
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where's that right? Where's that where's that line? When do
you cross that line? You can sit there and watch
ice do your job. Because here's what irritates me the most.
I don't care what party you're in. If you're an
elected mayor, elect a city council person, or elected governor.
Your number one responsibility it's the safety and security of
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your neighborhoods, your communities. ICE has been clear from the
beginning with President Trump, we're going to prioritize public safety
threats and national security threats. Why will you not help
us make your community safer? There's no downside on that.
And the sanctuary cities want to argue what we're a
sanctuary city because we want victims and witnesses of crime,
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if they're illegally the United States, to feel comfortable coming
to the law enforcement without fear of working with ICE.
That is a bunch of crap. Victims and witnesses of
crime don't want the bad guy in the neighborhood either.
And as far as the illegal alien community, I'll say this,
despite being here illegally, many of them are god fearing
family people. They don't want a preser in they neighborhood either.
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They don't want someone convicted DUI ten times driving to
their neighborhood either. So you know, if you go to
the immigrant community and ask them one simple question, would
you rather have ICE operating in the jail or in
your community. What do you think they're going to say,
They're going to be say to jail, so sanctuarous cities
will be held accountable. Matter of fact, we're reissuing the
ICE detainer. We just changed the new ICE detainer. We're
letting them black and white. Let them know this person
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is a designated terrorist, this person is a designated returned felon.
We're gonna let them know exactly who do detaining based
on biographic and biometric information and see what they do.
Are they going to violate Relation and Riley Act, Then
we'll go out to prosecution. Now they're going to know
at least a terrorist, then we're going to go out
to prosecution. So it's about to get a lot tougher
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and it's the right thing to do.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Well, And let me ask you, how worried are you
that they're a terrorists who came across the southern border
in the last four years, that are out there and
that are planning acts of terror in the United States?
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Right now, I'm convinced we got over two million known guideways.
Why did two million people pay more to get away?
They pay the car tells a lot more money to
escape apprehension and get to New York's Icnago wherever. Why
don't they pay less? Why would you pay more to
get away because you don't want to be vetted, you
don't want a two finger printed. It's just scared to
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hell off. Every American scares of hell on me. Somebody's
are going to be, you know, child traffickers. Some of
these are Karen Fatinal and some of these are going
to be people from the terrorort sponsored country. Under Joe Biden,
we wrest over four hundred people on terras wass's come
in the Southwest border. If you don't think a single
one of the two main guidaways didn't come from a
country sponsor and terror didn't come here to do us harm,
then you just crazy as you know it was what
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was it? Just a few months ago we arrested eight
that we're planting a terrorist attack, a Russian type terrorist
atack in the United States. Lucky intelliens. The community call
him on some chad and we are able to arrest them.
But we're not perfect. Intelligence community isn't perfect. They weren't
perfect on Afghanistan. They weren't perfect on a lot of things.
So God help us. I think they're here. There's intelligent
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port stander here. We know where some aren't being monitored,
but we don't know where others are. So that scares
the hell on me.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Well, And as you know, Chris Ray, the former director
of the FBI, every few months would come to Congress
and he would do everything but set off an alarm
and bang a drum to say we are at major
risk of a terrorist attack from the open Bordersmas and
Hezblah have declared jahads on America. As you know, the
border patrol under Joe Biden was advised beyond on the
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lookout for Hamas has Blun Palestinian Islamic Jehad terrorists coming
across the southern border. And one of the things, Tommy
you said that was really important. Of the twelve million
illegal immigrants that came under Joe Biden, roughly two million
of those were god aways. That's by far the most
troubling of all those folks. The other ten million are
people who are apprehended, and apprehended in many instances is
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the wrong term, because as you know, and I've spent
a lot of time down on the southern border, I
almost always go out on midnight patrol with the border
patrol agents when I'm there apprehended doesn't even characterize what
they were doing. Most nights, people would cross the border
and they'd go look for a border patrol agent and
actively turn themselves in because the result would be that
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Joe Biden would say where do you want to go
and would fly them to wherever they wanted to be. Literally,
the Biden administration was the last mile of the human
trafficking network. But Tom, what you said is exactly right.
Those two million godaways are much more likely to be
violent criminals, much more likely to be murderers or rapist
or child molesters, much more likely to be MS thirteen
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gang members, much more likely to be terrorists. And that's
the population that is most worrisome. And speaking of MS
thirteen gang members, just when I thought politics could not
get weirder, the Democrats have decided to go all in,
making their central party platform be that we should admit
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more illegal aliens, and in particular, we want more Venezuelan
gang members MS thirteen gang members here. And they decided
that Kilmar Abrego Garcia is their poster child for the
Democrat party. Tom, how confident to tell us about Abrego Garcia.
How confident are you that he's a gang member, that
he's a criminal.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
I'm very confident, and I've talked to the head of
Vice numerous times. People are understanding. So he got no
due process, Yes he did. He got due process from
two different federal judges who said he's in the United States,
a citizen OWL Salvador, and he gave up order of deportation.
He had a great two process, a great tax bayer expense.
On top of that, men went rice and they sent
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those two plane loads of TDA and MS thirteen. Hundreds
and hundreds of hours were spent on every case. They
went to the criminal history, the immigration history, they went
to intelligence report, they went to confidential informant statements, they
went to wire taps, they went to a bunch of
stuff to to certify these people were members of TVA
and MS thirteen. So they got due process several times
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Obrego Garcia's home, he's a citizen OWL Salvador. And for
those the Democrats said, well, they made a mistake. I
still say it was a mistake. It was an over
temporary oversecond. Here's the problem he had it withholding order.
He had not returned to Al Salvador because he feared
death from the gang. Two things have changed since that
order was given. Number one, he's a designated terror, so
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that with holding order has been set aside. Number two,
the gang he feared it no longer exists now Salvador,
because a great work BUCKHETI did there. So the circumstances
surround that with building order are no longer valid. And
here's what would happened. If somebody was to make this
guy return to the United States, he would be detained
and removed the next day. If not, tell Salador to
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another country. He's not here, but as President Boukeley said,
he is a pre certified national of Al Salvador. He
is home. He is home. He is a certified administer
team member, not just by ice, by local police departments,
intelligence reports, immigration judges in the Counch of Al Salvador.
Says his emistery team member, He's home is exactly where
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he should be. This country, his wife, his neighborhood is
a lot safer because he's locked up.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
I want to go back to accountability for a second time,
and I want to ask you there are a lot
of people that believe that there were laws that were
broken deliberately in the last administration. They knew they were
breaking the law. One of those would be former Homeland
Security Secretary my orci is that you mentioned a moment ago.
Should he be criminally the prosecuted for his role in
the border crisis if it was as deliberate as it
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now seems.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Look, I think what he did was borderline trees in US.
I'm not an attorney, I'm not a prosecutor. But what
he did, he did more damage to this country. Him
and the Biden administration. What they did to this country,
I can tell you when they opened that border up,
sex trafficking women show to increase tenfold. A record number
of migrants died making that journey, over four thousand. A
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record number of Americans died from fatanah that come across
that open border. And it's just what he calls this
country and from a national securities perspective, because here's what
his orders were, process quick, release quick. They didn't care
about the crisis. They cared about the optics of the crisis.
If there's no overcrowding, there's nothing to see here. So
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border trades were processed as quick as they could and
releasing a quick as they could, and there's been several
instances would they release so quickly they have? The ice
can didn't come back and and it came back hot.
Actually they already remember reased. They came back hot as
a non inspected terrorist. So yeah, he what he did
was unconsortable. What he did is in my opinion, borderline
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trees and is he should be held accountable because a
lot of deaths occurred under his watch. And look at like,
like Sandra Cruz said a few minutes ago, right now,
ninety six percent decline and illegal immigration when ninety six
percent less people are coming, How many women aren't being raped,
How many children aren't dying crossing that border, How many
no inspected terrorists aren't getting in the country. How many
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pounds of fatanyl is not getting the country? What are
you going to see on the President Trump's administration? Vaentanyl
deaths to decrease, sex trafficking with decrease, smuggling with decrease,
and no inspected terists. They got no open night anymore.
Now that we've got the border secure, every single borders
religion is on the lying on patrol during his national
security duty under Joe Biden. It was an average most days,
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an average seventy percent seven zero seventy percent of agents
were no longer on patrol. They were changing diapers, making
baby formula, making hospital runs. The last time. Aren't down there.
Before the election, I talked to hundreds of boarder players
and told me to hang on, hang on, changes coming.
I really think pleasant Trump's going to win. But they
told me no, we're sick of being tour station. We're
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sick of being uber drivers. We process and delivered these
people to the very same people who pay for their smuggling.
They couldn't recruit. They couldn't people were quitting. They were
quitting before the even else well for retirement. They couldn't
read recruiting numbers. You know, last month, Ice, I'm excuse me,
Bord Patrol had the highest recruiting numbers and the history
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of that agency just last month.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
That's fantastic. And look, I will say, Tom's not exaggerating
at all. Like when I would visit with Border Patrol
agents the frustration. Look, the men and women who sign
up for the Border Patrol, they do do so because
they're patriots. They do so because they love America. They
do so because they want to keep our communities and
our families and our kids safe, and they want to
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be out on patrol. Look these that's what you sign
up in the job. And they were sitting there just
shuffling paperwork. They were processing and just running a revolving
door to try to release as many illegal immigrants as
fast as possible. That's what may ORC has looked viewed
as job is accelerate illegal immigration, not stop it, but
(29:22):
make it go more quickly. Let me ask you, Tom,
you mentioned fentanyl. What do we know about the numbers
of fentanyl traffic over the first four months of the
Trump administration.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
There's been a decrease, and I've got from three or
four different sources. The percentage of decrease is different from
every source. The problem is the CDC doesn't have good
metrics on fatanyl. But look across the country. You can
see the decrease in fatanyl. Fatanyl's being c's on the
southern border and the metrics and that's maybe something you
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all to work on up there in the Senate. CDC
needs a track is more more accurately. Like I said,
you got you got a number of deaths reported by states,
you got number of death reported by CDC, none of
them match. So, but we do know there's been a reduction.
You don't see you know, three hundred of people dying
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every day from fatola like we did see right, We
know we don't have two, you know, nine to elevens
a week happening from kids dying from Fatanah. So I
don't have exact numbers, but we already see the effects
of a secure boarder.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
And Tom, let me ask you also, So, one of
the things we've talked about on this podcast. In twenty eighteen,
the Mexican drug cartels made roughly five hundred million dollars
from human trafficking. Last year, the drug cartels made over
thirteen billion dollars from human trafficking. That's a twenty six
hundred percent increase. Do we have any data yet? Do
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you have any visibility on what has happened to the
drug cartel's revenue? Because one of the worst consequences of
what Biden's open border did is is it turned these vicious, murderous,
transnational criminal organizations into incredibly wealthy powerhouses, and it put
huge resources in their pockets. Did do you have any
(31:11):
date on what's happened to their revenues.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Well, one of the first best thing President Trump did
is designative terrorist organization because these cartells have killed more Americans. Yes,
every urance organization were combined. We knew that. That's why
there's so much buy on some Mexico. The last four
years cartels were fighting each other for control of the plausas.
Why because they're making record amounts of money, smuggling people,
(31:33):
record amount of money and trafficking women, children, and the
record amount of money moving dope across that border. Now,
with the board secure, we're hitting them where it hurts.
Are smugglings down, both drugs and people. Trafficking is down,
So we're hitting where it hurts. That's why the latest
intelligence force I see they're trying to produce and push
more fatanol into Asian European nations because their market here
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in the United States has been so brutally attacked. I
wish what would happen is that Mexico would agree with
President Trump to let us help them take the cartels
and wipe them off the face ears because right now
they're like the police for cartel. They're in forty four
countries around the globe. They're like a fortune five hundred company.
It's going to take the United States to take them on.
(32:18):
Mexico's failed for decades to do it, and a lot
of mech show you know that military, police and government
rises are corrupt. I'll say this, a lot of the
corruption is force corruption. Because you're a police officer Mexo.
You're making you know, four hundred dollars a month, but
the Mexican cartel comes up and obviously ten thousand look
the other way, and you're going to take it? Are
they going to kill you and your family? I think
Mexico will be a much safer and much prosper more
(32:40):
prosperous country if they let President Trump help them wipe
the cartels off the face of the ear.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Look, that is absolutely right. And let me underscore that point.
A lot of people don't realize, particularly those on the left,
that what Joe Biden the Democrats did, it wasn't just
horribly cruel to the American people, it was horribly cruel
to Mexican nationals in Mexico. Turning these vicious criminals into
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the most powerful economic force in Mexico has increased the
murder rate, the crime rate, the kidnapping, rape rate. I
visited with with a Mexican mayor of a town on
the other side of the border. And I'm not going
to say which mayor because he told me in confidence
because he was afraid, but he said in his town
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they had had over three thousand disappearances, just people Mexican
nationals living in Mexico who just ran a foul of
the cartel and they just disappear, and they find mass
graves and the suffering and murder and kidnapping that that
has happened in Mexico because of the Democrats political decision
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I think was cruel and horrible. And Tom, you're exactly
right that the US military can take out the cartels,
and we've done it before in Columbus. President Eurebe asked
the military to come in and take out the cartels
in Columbia, and we came in and did that, and
we could do it again and and and I do
think it would be much better if the Mexican government
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invited us in it. It would have transformational impact within Mexico.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
Yeah, they say a lot of lives, like say, Lexing
cartels have killed thousands of judges and prosecutors and journalists. Yeah,
and citizens. So you know, I wish they. I wish
they'd joined with President Trump, and that would be a
game changer, Uh, for Mexico and the United States.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
All right, final question, we saw just this week that
that New Jersey Democrat Congresswoman Lamonica mac Ivor was charged
for assaulting law enforcement at an ICE facility. Uh, tell
me tell us how important that is? And and and
what do you think about about the fact that that
charges were brought for assault? We saw during the Biden
(34:54):
administration repeatedly, Uh, law enforcement, Customs, Border Patrol ICE agents
were subject to physical assault and no charges were brought.
How important is it that these charges were brought?
Speaker 3 (35:07):
The Sun's a strong mentions is very important. It also
proves I don't bluff. I'd said them the day inauguration.
If you want to not support ICE, we'll shame mind you.
But you have that right. If you want to protest
against ICE and to protest against Trump's policies, that's fine.
If you want to watch ICE come in and clean
your city up because you're a sanctuary city don't want
to help, you can do that too. But I said
(35:27):
from day one, you can't cross that line. You can't
cross the line on impediment. That's a felony. You can't
cross the line on noiling and harboring, concealing and they
will go amas mice. That's a felony. You certainly can't
commit criminal trespasses at our facilities, and for God's sake,
you can't put hands on our ice officers. And this
happened during the same time frame. The same week, I
(35:48):
went to Blue Mass in Washington, d C. And Remembrance
of the men and women in law enforce and put
their lives out line to this country every day. So
we spent a week just just just praising these men
and women, talking to their families who also paid the
ultimate sacrifice. They lost the loved one forever. Children lost
their fathers and mothers, and mothers and fathers lost their
sons and daughters. In the same week we're supposed to
(36:10):
be hot in law enforcement, you got you got some
of the member Countress putting their hands in shoving an
ice officer, which makes that facility very unsafe. And I'm
sick and tired of hearing what we have Congressional oversight responsibilities.
There is a right way and wrong way to do it.
You don't force your way in the facility. You don't
put hands on an officer. There's we do oversight all
the time, and what are they finding out as people
(36:31):
are getting tours in that facility that they got the
highest detention standards in the industry, and it puts every
every other uh uh detention center in jail in the
state of New Jersey, whether it is a county or state.
It puts them to shame because our detention standards are
so high. So when you go and calls that kind
of practice, where we're trying to maintain a facility with
(36:54):
very dangerous people inside, we got to protect not only
the criminals, we got to protect the employees in the
city is on the outside. What she did was just horrendous.
She put hands on the officer. Like they said for
four years, no one's above the law. You're damn right.
They're not above the law, even members of Congress. The
president is above the law, but these are members of Congress.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Look amen, and I will say, Tom, I've visited dozens
of ICE facilities and CBP facilities. I've never found it
difficult to refrain from physical assault on an officer. Somehow,
that temptation was never there for me, and in fact,
for the opposite. It is my job to have their backs.
That's a job I take incredibly seriously. And I just
(37:35):
want to say, Tom, you were a patriot, You were
a great American. We have roughly a million unique listeners
who listened to verdict, and I want to say, on
behalf of all of them, and on behalf of thirty
one million Texans, thank you for what you are doing.
You are keeping my children safer, and Tom, I am
grateful you are on that front line for us, and
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you and President Trump are making a massive difference for
the entire country.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
Well, I appreciate that, but I'm not gonna take credit.
Please give the things for your listeners. You see a
borbite relation, you see Ana, Yes, just say thank you,
because I cannot believe that we knew they're gonna take
hate as soon as President Something got back in. But
say thank you because these men and women, their mothers
and fathers too. They don't hang their heart on a
hook at home and you go to work. They see
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a lot of terrible things. They put the life on
the line. At three o'clock this morning, when everybody is sleeping,
me and send her is sleeping at three am this morning,
there's borbit relations standing on a dirt trail someplace going
to take something on. They don't know if it's just
an illegal alien or heavily armed drug smunker. They're gonna
take it on in the nearest back of us, miles away.
God bless the men and women of Barbatow, God best
(38:43):
the women of Ice, and God bless this great nation
we're taking it.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Amen. Amen, do me a favor.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Make sure you share this podcast with your family, your friends,
put it up on social media wherever you are on
social media, and I will see you back here tomorrow.
Border security was one of the top issues for so
many Americans when it came to this past election and
supporting Donald Trump. And if there's anywhere he has a
mandated is in securing our border and also getting rid
of the millions of legal immigrants are in this country. Well,
the man who's in charge of the border, Tom Homan,
(00:21):
has now set down with Senator Cruz and I to
talk about where we are in.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Securing that border.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
What are the major threats now, whether it be Fetnohl
or terrorists that have already come into our country under
the open border policy of Biden Harris. I want you
to hear all that he had to say in this
sit down.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Take a listen. Well, Tom Homan is serving as President
Trump's Borders Are. He is the former acting director of
the US Immigration and Customs Enforcement and he has been
borders Are since Trump resumed office as president. His formal title,
which I like, is what White House Executive associates Director
(01:00):
of Enforcement and Removal Operations. And to be clear, his
job is to secure the border, keep US safe, and
remove dangerous illegal aliens. He's doing a hell of a job. Tom.
Welcome to Verdict.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Thanks for having me so Let's.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Start with just how are we doing. We're four months in,
almost five months into the Trump presidency. How are we doing?
Tell us what has happened since President Trump became president again?
On the border?
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Well, President Trump today, I'm talking to today Santa Cruz.
We have the most secure border in the history of
this nation today and most secure board ever. I mean
we even beat Trump forty five. Well, we hand the
Bide administration most secure boarder ever ahead of that time. Yeah,
but the data is even better now. And let me
give you a few numbers, just a few numbers. Under
(01:51):
Biden administration, we were dealing with ten eleven thousan even
a few times fifteen thousand aliens today yesterday was two
hundred and eleven. We went from thirteen fourteen thousand to
two hundred and eleven.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
And that's across the entire southwest border.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Yes, gotaways under Biden an average gotaway day and under
Biden was eighteen hundred plus eighteen hundred plus. What was
the got aways yesterday? Thirty nine?
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
And then the most impressive number the first hundred days
on President Trump compared to the first at the same
time period last year under Biden. Biden released over one
hundred and eighty four thousand illegal animates in this country
the Trump administration one there was nine releases, but for
more material witnesses. As you know, we want them come
(02:44):
here to testify in the cartol troal so form. We
want to command. Four came across the border in such
bad shape that we had to call an ambulans and
take care of the medical needs. We had allowment insided
do medical treatment, but we had one one discretionary release
compaired at one hundred and eighty four thousand released under
the same time period in biden most Secure Border Historistination
(03:06):
Interior Enforcement Offerings ICE's arrest of three times more criminals
one of them Biden did during the same time period.
We got more to rest, We got many more to rest.
Let's but they're already hitting the ball out of park
and we're gonna keep doing it. We need to do
more of it, and we're hoping for a budget real
soon here so we can step up efforts there. But
it's it's game changing. President Trump's been a game changer,
(03:27):
and the men and win vice and men women border
stood up taking on the task and cousin Trump did
in seven weeks, but Joe Biden couldn't or wouldn't do
in four years.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
My favorite line from from President Trump's most recent State
of the Union address it is when he said, you know,
Joe Biden stood here a year ago and said that
he couldn't secure the border without new legislation passing Congress.
And then Trump said, it turns out we didn't need
new legislation. We just needed a new president. And that's
powerfully true. So let me ask just just a simple
(03:58):
question for those Look, you're you're an immigration expert, but
for someone at home, how did the numbers drop so precipitously?
What specifically are y'all doing differently than what Joe Biden,
Kamala Harris did.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
The biggest thing we've done is President's executive orders that
we're a game changer, remain in Mexico a game changer.
I have the third SAIF Country agreements a game changer,
and finally ending catcher release. People know, you come to
a border, now you're not being released, and we just
follow the law because, as you know, under federal statue,
(04:34):
an ailien arrives at our border without proper documentation to
enter the language is you shall be detained now, maybe
not thinking about it, not problem shall and that's exactly
why we're doing. Those three things by themselves have been
a major game changer, and all three of them were
executive orders by President.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
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That's if CJ dot org. You mentioned budget a moment
ago and how important it is to have the budget
(06:17):
for you guys to continue your job.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Explain for everyone listening.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Is that referencing that the big beautiful bill and what
is in there that you need so much to continue
to do your job at the border.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Well, we want to make the border secure permanently, so
we need more infrastructure, right, so we need to finish
building a wall. Now, let's be clear. Every place they
build a border barrier, illegal migrations went down, illegal drug
flow went down, But most important, walls saved lives. Women
and children can't get over that wall, the most vulnerable,
so they go to a place, Well there's not a
wall on. What's waiting on them the men and women
(06:49):
of the Border patrol first of all, So it's ball
saves lives. So we need to finish the border barrier.
We need money to finish the technology within the existing
border wall, because not only did Present buy in stop
the construction of the wall, he stopped adding the technology
in that smart wall. Technology that lets us know how
someone climbs that wall, touch this wall, dig on under
that wall. Technology where borbitual agents in the middle of
(07:10):
nowhere can get on the radio and use the wall
as a repeater to talk to other agents for help.
There are some places on the southern border where they
lose all communications, so all that technology needs to be done.
More technology yet and portive entries to make sure no
Ventano's coming through. And as far as the entire enforcement,
we need beds. Right now, we got about fifty two
thousand people in detention. We're funder that thirty four thousand
(07:33):
ice is already in the hole. We need about one
hundred thousand beds because everybody we arrest needs a bet.
We just don't rest somebody in New York City and
put them on a plane leave. We got to detaining
for several days or several weeks to get travel doctrines,
get flight arrangements, flight finances. So we need bets. So
we need. You know, so this budget, that depending budget
right now, the big beautiful Bill will give us some
(07:54):
money fi those beds. They're going to give us thousands
of more borbitual license, thousands more ICE agents. It's going
to give ICE a budget to bring in more contracts up.
What I mean by that badges and guns shouldn't be
sitting at a desk doing reports of processing. They shouldn't
be sitting at a desk doing travel documents and all
the all the administrative duties that occurred within ICE. You
(08:17):
can have a contractor sitting there doing that work. Give
that badging gun, get them out on the street to
arrest the public safety thrusts and national security threats. So
we needed the money to. Like I said, we're doing
more than Biden did, but Biden wasn't doing anything. We
need to do ten times more than buying too, not
three times more. And I'll leave you with this. We
got seven hundred thousand illegal Alians in this country with
a criminal conviction walking the streets this country. We got
(08:40):
to get them, We got to get it quickly. We
got one point four man illegal aliens who do have
du process a great taxpayer expense, were ordered removed by
a federal judge and didn't leave, and they become fusitives.
We got a lot of work to do and we
need money to do more. We're doing good, but more
money we have, the more we.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Can do well. And Ben, I'll say this that Congress,
we will get this Reconciliation bill passed. It's gonna take time,
it's gonna be bumpy, but we'll get it done. And
when we get it done, we're gonna have funding to
build the wall. We're gonna have funding for technology on
the wall. We're gonna have funding for more border patrol agents.
We're gonna have funding for more ice agents. We're gonna
have funding for more detention beds. We're gonna have funding
(09:17):
for more fixed wing and rotary wing aircraft. We're gonna
have funding for more drones and more infrared and technology.
We are stepping in now. It's gonna take a little
bit of time to get the bill across the finish line,
but I'm confident we'll do it. And I will say
it really underscores something we've said on Verdict many times,
which is the most important factor in securing the border.
(09:38):
And this is what Tom said just a minute ago.
It is a policy decision, and it is a decision
what happens when you apprehend an illegal immigrant. And if
the answer is you put them on a plane and
you fly them back home. They all have cell phones.
They pick up their phones and they call home and
they say, don't come. They're not letting you stay. And
the flip side is true if when you you apprehend them,
(10:00):
you let them go. You say what city do you
want to go to? And you put them on a plane,
you put them on a bus, and you let them
go in every city in America, which is what Joe
Biden was doing. Again, they all have phones. They pick
up the phone, they call their friends and family, and
the numbers skyrocket. And so when President Trump left office
the first time, he had produced the lowest rate of
(10:22):
illegal immigration in forty five years. That's what Joe Biden inherited.
It immediately skyrocketed to the worst rate of illegal immigration
in history. Joe Biden allowed twelve million of the illegal
immigrants to come into this country. And regular listeners of
Verdict will recall I predicted. I said, we will see
the numbers plummet, and it won't take a year, it
(10:44):
won't even take six months. It will happen immediately because
on day one, catch and release is going to end
and we're going to see the numbers plummet. Now, all
that being said, Tom, let me ask you honestly, I
will admit I predicted loudly that the numbers would plummet.
I'll confess I didn't think they'd drop over ninety nine percent.
Are you I'm surprised at just how massive the success is.
(11:08):
Are Are you a little bit surprised.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Or no, I'm not surprised for all the success. I'm
surprised how fast that happened. When President Trump, when he
called me, asked me to be the borders. Our course,
I didn't has day came back and the first meeting
who he had, he asked me, how long would it
take you down the secure the border? I says, sir,
I need I need at least one hundred and twenty days.
He says, well, they kid a ninety I said, sir,
I'll to respect one hundred and twenty days, even pushing
(11:32):
that we did this in seven weeks. Seven weeks numbers
already down.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
And You're exactly right. Everything you said was right. But
I want to add one thing. When Joe Biden opened
that border up. He's the first president in the history
of this nation who came into office and unsecured a
border on purpose. This wasn't mismanagement, this wasn't incompetence. He
ran on open borders, and that's exactly what he did.
You know, so when you tell the whole world enter
(11:58):
this country legally, don't worry about it. We're going to
release you anyways. And when you've got a secretary of
ma orkist on ice, you can't arrest somebody for being
here illegally unless they got a serious criminal conviction. The
whole world's going to come. You can cross the border illegally.
You get released in twenty four hours. We won't give
you a free plane ticket to the city of your choice.
We're going to put you in a free hotel room.
We're going to give you three meals a day, We're
(12:20):
going to give you free medical attention, and guess what,
hang out for one hundred and twenty days. We're going
to give you a work offficization. The very reason they
came here not because of asylum, because they wanted a job.
So Biden did what he did on purpose and President
Trump came back in seven weeks. Again seven weeks did
what Joe Biden couldn't do or wouldn't do.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Repeat the numbers you said about how many illegals are
in the US right now who have criminal convictions. And
to be clear, these are convictions for crimes other than
crossing illegally into the country. Every illegal has committed that crime.
But how many have convictions for murder, for rape, for
other crimes other than crossing the border illegally.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Just under seven hundred thousand.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
I mean, that is a stunning number. And what you're saying,
and I agree with you, is that Joe Biden deliberately
chose we're going to leave murderers here, We're going to
leave rapists in America, We're going to leave child molesters
in America. We're not going to send ice to arrest them,
We're not going to pick them up, we're not going
to deport them. That they put partisan politics above protecting
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American families, about protecting our kids.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
And that's why I woke up four years pissed off
every morning. President Trump when he called me, asked me
to come back, and he said to me, we've been
even bitching about it for four years, want to come
back and fix it? And I did because I knew
every morning I wake up, And Senator you know this
just as well as I do. I knew every morning
I woke up. How many children died acrossing the borders
till last night. Yeah, how many women got sexually assaulted,
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how many people on Terrace Rosster's got across the border.
How many women and children were sex trafficking this country?
How many billions of dollars in the car tells make
how many Americans died in the last twenty four hour
from Fetanah coming across the open border? For four years?
I was pissed off. President Trump came back, like I said,
in seven weeks, we had a border down ninety percent
in seven weeks. So you know, if you said it
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was a matter of president, the matter of enforce the law,
you know, I'll tell you it's in a cruise. And
you know, every time I see in the meeting, every
time I see you in the meeting, I call you out.
I call you out because you've been a tip of
the speer on this thing. I appreciate your working this.
You're from Texas, you know, And God bless Governor Abbit
and Governor Abbitt did he was more of a Secretary
of Homeland Security moral it's ever been to wherever thought
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of being so God blessed day of Texas. They took
the first rail on this and again, I can't thank
you enough. Every time I see I call you out,
thank you for being the tip of the spear. I
see you everywhere wanting the secure border, and you're fighting
hard for me, and you're fighting hard for the men
and women the border tow You're fighting hard for the
men and women of Ice. I love each and every
one of those men to put their life on line
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for this country every day, men and women, and I
appreciate your fight for them. You've had their sixth and
day one and I love you for it. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Well, Tom, let me thank you for that. I appreciate that,
and I appreciate your passion and commitment. You're showing up
and you said something that I think is really important
for our listeners to understand. You and President Trump right
now are quite literally saving lives. You are saving lives.
There are Americans, and there are significant number of Americans
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who are alive today because a violent criminal did not
cross the border, was not released, and didn't murder them.
There are women who have not been raped because you've
stopped the Biden practice of releasing rapists. There are children,
and the number of children who haven't been physically and
sexually assaulted by human traffickers. It is already I think,
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well into the thousands. And I want you to think
about that. Thousands of little girls, thousands of little boys
have not been violently, repeatedly raped by human traffickers. Why.
Because President Trump came in and because you've been the
borders are implementing it and secured the border, and those
kids are no longer being trafficked. That is a profound
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legacy in just four or five months.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
And then we go one step further. Trump asked me
to do three things. Security border, run the large largest
deportation offeras I have ever seen, and find these children,
and buy an administration. Over half a million children were
smuggling in this country, separated from their family, smoggling this
country and put in the hands of sponsors, many unvettered sponsors.
(16:32):
The last administration lost track of three hundred thousand of them.
Doesn't Trump's committed to finding as many as you can
We've already found over seventy five hundred of them. Wow,
someone were for free, safe with families. Some were perfectly
safe and some weren't. Example just there for yes, say
a fourteen year old little girl already to sex traffic
was pregnant living with two men who trafficking. There whether
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they're going to prison, and we're helping that little girl.
So we're going to rescue everyone of these little girls
and make sure that they're safe. And so many of
them are going to be okay with family members, they
just didn't respond to followings or so forth. But many,
I guarantee, I've been doing this for over forty years.
Many of them are in sex trafficking. Many of them
are in forced labor, living a life of hell every day.
(17:13):
We're committed to find every one of these little children
and making sure they're safe.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Tom, you mentioned finding them all. Let's talk about sanctuary
cities for a second. It's very clear Democrats are not
backing off of that. How dangerous is the policy and
who is being harbored in these cities that are refusing
to work with you guys? Will there be accountability? Are
they harboring MS thirteen gang members? And domestic terrorists, foreign terrorists, uh,
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those that are putting the Fetnoel out in society. How
dangerous are these cities?
Speaker 3 (17:47):
They're the dangerous for everybody because in a sanctuary city meets,
I don't have access to the jail or rust a
bad guy public safety threat in the safety and security
of the jail. Were they alien safe, the officers safe,
on the public safe. When sanctuary cities knowingly leased a
public safety a threat back in the street, it certainly
puts the community at risk. It even puts an alien
(18:07):
at risk because anything can happen during the street arrest
and great, it puts your officers that great arrest because
now we've got to arrest a criminal alien public safety
threat on his turf. We has access to who knows
what weapons. It's very dangerous and natural host sanctuary cities accountable.
Its PAM binding has already fought lawsuits against several were
we're working with DJ now again. We want we want
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where's that right? Where's that where's that line? When do
you cross that line? You can sit there and watch
ice do your job. Because here's what irritates me the most.
I don't care what party you're in. If you're an
elected mayor, elect a city council person, or elected governor.
Your number one responsibility it's the safety and security of
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your neighborhoods, your communities. ICE has been clear from the
beginning with President Trump, we're going to prioritize public safety
threats and national security threats. Why will you not help
us make your community safer? There's no downside on that.
And the sanctuary cities want to argue what we're a
sanctuary city because we want victims and witnesses of crime,
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if they're illegally the United States, to feel comfortable coming
to the law enforcement without fear of working with ICE.
That is a bunch of crap. Victims and witnesses of
crime don't want the bad guy in the neighborhood either.
And as far as the illegal alien community, I'll say this,
despite being here illegally, many of them are god fearing
family people. They don't want a preser in they neighborhood either.
(19:32):
They don't want someone convicted DUI ten times driving to
their neighborhood either. So you know, if you go to
the immigrant community and ask them one simple question, would
you rather have ICE operating in the jail or in
your community. What do you think they're going to say,
They're going to be say to jail, so sanctuarous cities
will be held accountable. Matter of fact, we're reissuing the
ICE detainer. We just changed the new ICE detainer. We're
letting them black and white. Let them know this person
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is a designated terrorist, this person is a designated returned felon.
We're gonna let them know exactly who do detaining based
on biographic and biometric information and see what they do.
Are they going to violate Relation and Riley Act, Then
we'll go out to prosecution. Now they're going to know
at least a terrorist, then we're going to go out
to prosecution. So it's about to get a lot tougher
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and it's the right thing to do.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Well, And let me ask you, how worried are you
that they're a terrorists who came across the southern border
in the last four years, that are out there and
that are planning acts of terror in the United States?
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Right now, I'm convinced we got over two million known guideways.
Why did two million people pay more to get away?
They pay the car tells a lot more money to
escape apprehension and get to New York's Icnago wherever. Why
don't they pay less? Why would you pay more to
get away because you don't want to be vetted, you
don't want a two finger printed. It's just scared to
(20:50):
hell off. Every American scares of hell on me. Somebody's
are going to be, you know, child traffickers. Some of
these are Karen Fatinal and some of these are going
to be people from the terrorort sponsored country. Under Joe Biden,
we wrest over four hundred people on terras wass's come
in the Southwest border. If you don't think a single
one of the two main guidaways didn't come from a
country sponsor and terror didn't come here to do us harm,
then you just crazy as you know it was what
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was it? Just a few months ago we arrested eight
that we're planting a terrorist attack, a Russian type terrorist
atack in the United States. Lucky intelliens. The community call
him on some chad and we are able to arrest them.
But we're not perfect. Intelligence community isn't perfect. They weren't
perfect on Afghanistan. They weren't perfect on a lot of things.
So God help us. I think they're here. There's intelligent
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port stander here. We know where some aren't being monitored,
but we don't know where others are. So that scares
the hell on me.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Well, And as you know, Chris Ray, the former director
of the FBI, every few months would come to Congress
and he would do everything but set off an alarm
and bang a drum to say we are at major
risk of a terrorist attack from the open Bordersmas and
Hezblah have declared jahads on America. As you know, the
border patrol under Joe Biden was advised beyond on the
(22:03):
lookout for Hamas has Blun Palestinian Islamic Jehad terrorists coming
across the southern border. And one of the things, Tommy
you said that was really important. Of the twelve million
illegal immigrants that came under Joe Biden, roughly two million
of those were god aways. That's by far the most
troubling of all those folks. The other ten million are
people who are apprehended, and apprehended in many instances is
(22:24):
the wrong term, because as you know, and I've spent
a lot of time down on the southern border, I
almost always go out on midnight patrol with the border
patrol agents when I'm there apprehended doesn't even characterize what
they were doing. Most nights, people would cross the border
and they'd go look for a border patrol agent and
actively turn themselves in because the result would be that
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Joe Biden would say where do you want to go
and would fly them to wherever they wanted to be. Literally,
the Biden administration was the last mile of the human
trafficking network. But Tom, what you said is exactly right.
Those two million godaways are much more likely to be
violent criminals, much more likely to be murderers or rapist
or child molesters, much more likely to be MS thirteen
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gang members, much more likely to be terrorists. And that's
the population that is most worrisome. And speaking of MS
thirteen gang members, just when I thought politics could not
get weirder, the Democrats have decided to go all in,
making their central party platform be that we should admit
(23:29):
more illegal aliens, and in particular, we want more Venezuelan
gang members MS thirteen gang members here. And they decided
that Kilmar Abrego Garcia is their poster child for the
Democrat party. Tom, how confident to tell us about Abrego Garcia.
How confident are you that he's a gang member, that
he's a criminal.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
I'm very confident, and I've talked to the head of
Vice numerous times. People are understanding. So he got no
due process, Yes he did. He got due process from
two different federal judges who said he's in the United States,
a citizen OWL Salvador, and he gave up order of deportation.
He had a great two process, a great tax bayer expense.
On top of that, men went rice and they sent
(24:10):
those two plane loads of TDA and MS thirteen. Hundreds
and hundreds of hours were spent on every case. They
went to the criminal history, the immigration history, they went
to intelligence report, they went to confidential informant statements, they
went to wire taps, they went to a bunch of
stuff to to certify these people were members of TVA
and MS thirteen. So they got due process several times
(24:33):
Obrego Garcia's home, he's a citizen OWL Salvador. And for
those the Democrats said, well, they made a mistake. I
still say it was a mistake. It was an over
temporary oversecond. Here's the problem he had it withholding order.
He had not returned to Al Salvador because he feared
death from the gang. Two things have changed since that
order was given. Number one, he's a designated terror, so
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that with holding order has been set aside. Number two,
the gang he feared it no longer exists now Salvador,
because a great work BUCKHETI did there. So the circumstances
surround that with building order are no longer valid. And
here's what would happened. If somebody was to make this
guy return to the United States, he would be detained
and removed the next day. If not, tell Salador to
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another country. He's not here, but as President Boukeley said,
he is a pre certified national of Al Salvador. He
is home. He is home. He is a certified administer
team member, not just by ice, by local police departments,
intelligence reports, immigration judges in the Counch of Al Salvador.
Says his emistery team member, He's home is exactly where
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he should be. This country, his wife, his neighborhood is
a lot safer because he's locked up.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
I want to go back to accountability for a second time,
and I want to ask you there are a lot
of people that believe that there were laws that were
broken deliberately in the last administration. They knew they were
breaking the law. One of those would be former Homeland
Security Secretary my orci is that you mentioned a moment ago.
Should he be criminally the prosecuted for his role in
the border crisis if it was as deliberate as it
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now seems.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Look, I think what he did was borderline trees in US.
I'm not an attorney, I'm not a prosecutor. But what
he did, he did more damage to this country. Him
and the Biden administration. What they did to this country,
I can tell you when they opened that border up,
sex trafficking women show to increase tenfold. A record number
of migrants died making that journey, over four thousand. A
(26:29):
record number of Americans died from fatanah that come across
that open border. And it's just what he calls this
country and from a national securities perspective, because here's what
his orders were, process quick, release quick. They didn't care
about the crisis. They cared about the optics of the crisis.
If there's no overcrowding, there's nothing to see here. So
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border trades were processed as quick as they could and
releasing a quick as they could, and there's been several
instances would they release so quickly they have? The ice
can didn't come back and and it came back hot.
Actually they already remember reased. They came back hot as
a non inspected terrorist. So yeah, he what he did
was unconsortable. What he did is in my opinion, borderline
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trees and is he should be held accountable because a
lot of deaths occurred under his watch. And look at like,
like Sandra Cruz said a few minutes ago, right now,
ninety six percent decline and illegal immigration when ninety six
percent less people are coming, How many women aren't being raped,
How many children aren't dying crossing that border, How many
no inspected terrorists aren't getting in the country. How many
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pounds of fatanyl is not getting the country? What are
you going to see on the President Trump's administration? Vaentanyl
deaths to decrease, sex trafficking with decrease, smuggling with decrease,
and no inspected terists. They got no open night anymore.
Now that we've got the border secure, every single borders
religion is on the lying on patrol during his national
security duty under Joe Biden. It was an average most days,
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an average seventy percent seven zero seventy percent of agents
were no longer on patrol. They were changing diapers, making
baby formula, making hospital runs. The last time. Aren't down there.
Before the election, I talked to hundreds of boarder players
and told me to hang on, hang on, changes coming.
I really think pleasant Trump's going to win. But they
told me no, we're sick of being tour station. We're
(28:17):
sick of being uber drivers. We process and delivered these
people to the very same people who pay for their smuggling.
They couldn't recruit. They couldn't people were quitting. They were
quitting before the even else well for retirement. They couldn't
read recruiting numbers. You know, last month, Ice, I'm excuse me,
Bord Patrol had the highest recruiting numbers and the history
(28:38):
of that agency just last month.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
That's fantastic. And look, I will say, Tom's not exaggerating
at all. Like when I would visit with Border Patrol
agents the frustration. Look, the men and women who sign
up for the Border Patrol, they do do so because
they're patriots. They do so because they love America. They
do so because they want to keep our communities and
our families and our kids safe, and they want to
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be out on patrol. Look these that's what you sign
up in the job. And they were sitting there just
shuffling paperwork. They were processing and just running a revolving
door to try to release as many illegal immigrants as
fast as possible. That's what may ORC has looked viewed
as job is accelerate illegal immigration, not stop it, but
(29:22):
make it go more quickly. Let me ask you, Tom,
you mentioned fentanyl. What do we know about the numbers
of fentanyl traffic over the first four months of the
Trump administration.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
There's been a decrease, and I've got from three or
four different sources. The percentage of decrease is different from
every source. The problem is the CDC doesn't have good
metrics on fatanyl. But look across the country. You can
see the decrease in fatanyl. Fatanyl's being c's on the
southern border and the metrics and that's maybe something you
(29:54):
all to work on up there in the Senate. CDC
needs a track is more more accurately. Like I said,
you got you got a number of deaths reported by states,
you got number of death reported by CDC, none of
them match. So, but we do know there's been a reduction.
You don't see you know, three hundred of people dying
(30:14):
every day from fatola like we did see right, We
know we don't have two, you know, nine to elevens
a week happening from kids dying from Fatanah. So I
don't have exact numbers, but we already see the effects
of a secure boarder.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
And Tom, let me ask you also, So, one of
the things we've talked about on this podcast. In twenty eighteen,
the Mexican drug cartels made roughly five hundred million dollars
from human trafficking. Last year, the drug cartels made over
thirteen billion dollars from human trafficking. That's a twenty six
hundred percent increase. Do we have any data yet? Do
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you have any visibility on what has happened to the
drug cartel's revenue? Because one of the worst consequences of
what Biden's open border did is is it turned these vicious, murderous,
transnational criminal organizations into incredibly wealthy powerhouses, and it put
huge resources in their pockets. Did do you have any
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date on what's happened to their revenues.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Well, one of the first best thing President Trump did
is designative terrorist organization because these cartells have killed more Americans. Yes,
every urance organization were combined. We knew that. That's why
there's so much buy on some Mexico. The last four
years cartels were fighting each other for control of the plausas.
Why because they're making record amounts of money, smuggling people,
(31:33):
record amount of money and trafficking women, children, and the
record amount of money moving dope across that border. Now,
with the board secure, we're hitting them where it hurts.
Are smugglings down, both drugs and people. Trafficking is down,
So we're hitting where it hurts. That's why the latest
intelligence force I see they're trying to produce and push
more fatanol into Asian European nations because their market here
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in the United States has been so brutally attacked. I
wish what would happen is that Mexico would agree with
President Trump to let us help them take the cartels
and wipe them off the face ears because right now
they're like the police for cartel. They're in forty four
countries around the globe. They're like a fortune five hundred company.
It's going to take the United States to take them on.
(32:18):
Mexico's failed for decades to do it, and a lot
of mech show you know that military, police and government
rises are corrupt. I'll say this, a lot of the
corruption is force corruption. Because you're a police officer Mexo.
You're making you know, four hundred dollars a month, but
the Mexican cartel comes up and obviously ten thousand look
the other way, and you're going to take it? Are
they going to kill you and your family? I think
Mexico will be a much safer and much prosper more
(32:40):
prosperous country if they let President Trump help them wipe
the cartels off the face of the ear.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Look, that is absolutely right. And let me underscore that point.
A lot of people don't realize, particularly those on the left,
that what Joe Biden the Democrats did, it wasn't just
horribly cruel to the American people, it was horribly cruel
to Mexican nationals in Mexico. Turning these vicious criminals into
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the most powerful economic force in Mexico has increased the
murder rate, the crime rate, the kidnapping, rape rate. I
visited with with a Mexican mayor of a town on
the other side of the border. And I'm not going
to say which mayor because he told me in confidence
because he was afraid, but he said in his town
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they had had over three thousand disappearances, just people Mexican
nationals living in Mexico who just ran a foul of
the cartel and they just disappear, and they find mass
graves and the suffering and murder and kidnapping that that
has happened in Mexico because of the Democrats political decision
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I think was cruel and horrible. And Tom, you're exactly
right that the US military can take out the cartels,
and we've done it before in Columbus. President Eurebe asked
the military to come in and take out the cartels
in Columbia, and we came in and did that, and
we could do it again and and and I do
think it would be much better if the Mexican government
(34:11):
invited us in it. It would have transformational impact within Mexico.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
Yeah, they say a lot of lives, like say, Lexing
cartels have killed thousands of judges and prosecutors and journalists. Yeah,
and citizens. So you know, I wish they. I wish
they'd joined with President Trump, and that would be a
game changer, Uh, for Mexico and the United States.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
All right, final question, we saw just this week that
that New Jersey Democrat Congresswoman Lamonica mac Ivor was charged
for assaulting law enforcement at an ICE facility. Uh, tell
me tell us how important that is? And and and
what do you think about about the fact that that
charges were brought for assault? We saw during the Biden
(34:54):
administration repeatedly, Uh, law enforcement, Customs, Border Patrol ICE agents
were subject to physical assault and no charges were brought.
How important is it that these charges were brought?
Speaker 3 (35:07):
The Sun's a strong mentions is very important. It also
proves I don't bluff. I'd said them the day inauguration.
If you want to not support ICE, we'll shame mind you.
But you have that right. If you want to protest
against ICE and to protest against Trump's policies, that's fine.
If you want to watch ICE come in and clean
your city up because you're a sanctuary city don't want
to help, you can do that too. But I said
(35:27):
from day one, you can't cross that line. You can't
cross the line on impediment. That's a felony. You can't
cross the line on noiling and harboring, concealing and they
will go amas mice. That's a felony. You certainly can't
commit criminal trespasses at our facilities, and for God's sake,
you can't put hands on our ice officers. And this
happened during the same time frame. The same week, I
(35:48):
went to Blue Mass in Washington, d C. And Remembrance
of the men and women in law enforce and put
their lives out line to this country every day. So
we spent a week just just just praising these men
and women, talking to their families who also paid the
ultimate sacrifice. They lost the loved one forever. Children lost
their fathers and mothers, and mothers and fathers lost their
sons and daughters. In the same week we're supposed to
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be hot in law enforcement, you got you got some
of the member Countress putting their hands in shoving an
ice officer, which makes that facility very unsafe. And I'm
sick and tired of hearing what we have Congressional oversight responsibilities.
There is a right way and wrong way to do it.
You don't force your way in the facility. You don't
put hands on an officer. There's we do oversight all
the time, and what are they finding out as people
(36:31):
are getting tours in that facility that they got the
highest detention standards in the industry, and it puts every
every other uh uh detention center in jail in the
state of New Jersey, whether it is a county or state.
It puts them to shame because our detention standards are
so high. So when you go and calls that kind
of practice, where we're trying to maintain a facility with
(36:54):
very dangerous people inside, we got to protect not only
the criminals, we got to protect the employees in the
city is on the outside. What she did was just horrendous.
She put hands on the officer. Like they said for
four years, no one's above the law. You're damn right.
They're not above the law, even members of Congress. The
president is above the law, but these are members of Congress.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Look amen, and I will say, Tom, I've visited dozens
of ICE facilities and CBP facilities. I've never found it
difficult to refrain from physical assault on an officer. Somehow,
that temptation was never there for me, and in fact,
for the opposite. It is my job to have their backs.
That's a job I take incredibly seriously. And I just
(37:35):
want to say, Tom, you were a patriot, You were
a great American. We have roughly a million unique listeners
who listened to verdict, and I want to say, on
behalf of all of them, and on behalf of thirty
one million Texans, thank you for what you are doing.
You are keeping my children safer, and Tom, I am
grateful you are on that front line for us, and
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you and President Trump are making a massive difference for
the entire country.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
Well, I appreciate that, but I'm not gonna take credit.
Please give the things for your listeners. You see a
borbite relation, you see Ana, Yes, just say thank you,
because I cannot believe that we knew they're gonna take
hate as soon as President Something got back in. But
say thank you because these men and women, their mothers
and fathers too. They don't hang their heart on a
hook at home and you go to work. They see
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a lot of terrible things. They put the life on
the line. At three o'clock this morning, when everybody is sleeping,
me and send her is sleeping at three am this morning,
there's borbit relations standing on a dirt trail someplace going
to take something on. They don't know if it's just
an illegal alien or heavily armed drug smunker. They're gonna
take it on in the nearest back of us, miles away.
God bless the men and women of Barbatow, God best
(38:43):
the women of Ice, and God bless this great nation
we're taking it.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Amen. Amen, do me a favor.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
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Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.
The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show
The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton tackle the biggest stories in news, politics and current events with intelligence and humor. From the border crisis, to the madness of cancel culture and far-left missteps, Clay and Buck guide listeners through the latest headlines and hot topics with fun and entertaining conversations and opinions.