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Welcome to the Weekend Collective. This Saturday, the twenty second
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But right now it is time for the panel. And
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How I'm going to introduce a newbie that makes sound
like a sort of a bit more of an engene
of course, let me get onto that in just a moment.
But first, my first panelist. He's a good old a
podo key boy, done good. He's a commentator, blogger and
former Labor Party activist. And when he's not writing opinion
pieces for The Herald or joining us on the show,
you can find Shane at Real Groovy Records. I think
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you spent a lot of money there. Yeah, we'll get
you at TENU mic on before you talk, Ah, And
my next We've got a new panelist on the show today,
and she is a dynamic chief executive of Business Canterbury,
a raving local enthusiast for the city, region and business
community and as a proud Cantabrian. As a proud Cantabrian,
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she obviously is also by default a huge supporter of
the Blues and we'll be watching the rugby and cheering
for them. And it's it's Leanne Watson Highley. Anne.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
He's good a nice intro.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Well, actually, how are you feeling about that the rugby?
Are you going to be watching it at all?
Speaker 3 (02:25):
I don't ever known there was a game?
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Well quite well, they do it now. But of course,
look at you guys have had seven years of just
good times, haven't you.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Yeah, look, we've got to let someone else, you know,
take the opportunity, I suppose, And yeah, good on them
for you know, working hard to get back to the
back to the level that they have. It's taken a while,
but you know we'll be back next year.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Basically, Yeah, how sporting of you? Are you going, Shane
your game.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
To the game?
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Man?
Speaker 5 (02:51):
This is a big, big yeah, I'm a chiefs man.
This is a big night for me. So yeah, after this,
I'll go and have a cup of tea with a
couple of mates that are up, and then we'll go
off to the football.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
I reckon, I think I'm gonna I like to make
bold predictions because predictions a fun. Some people are like,
oh what if I'm wrong? It's like it's just a
sports prediction. So here's my prediction. The Blues are going
to clean the Chief's clock tonight. You're going to be
support What do you think?
Speaker 5 (03:17):
No, no, no, I think that the Blues probably do
have the home homeground advantage, but I think that it'll
almost be like a home game for the Chiefs that
I would imagine that Southern Motorway is pretty pretty busy
now as they sort of head up from from Hamilton.
But no, no, I'm picking the Chiefs by one point.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Okay, well one point yeah, And I think Lea and
you're just like, I don't care. Are you just going
to support the team that has a little bit of
red in the uniform?
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Is possibly? And you're right, I don't really care, which
is probably not the right thing to say, but I've
got a one e Cantabrian probably don't really care that much. However,
if I had to pick a team, I would absolutely
pick the Chiefs because my good old uncle Boff is
the Big Chiefs, has been all his life. So if
you're listening, uncle Boss, go the chief. NHGA also liked
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to support the team that potentially is a bit of
considered the underdog here and I think that is certainly
what I've been hearing. So great, great, great for both
teams ready to be there.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Yeah, by that logic, you should have been charing for
the opposition every time the Crusader's played if you're back
in the underdog.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Not this year, but every other other other team other
than Crusader. Of course, Crusader the absolutely top of mind,
of course.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Right now, let's get into it, guys. Forty seven people
spent the night on the Intelo Island ferry out to
terry which around the ground last night was actually on
air when that story broke, and I thought it maybe
just sort of run aground on a bit of a sandbar,
but actually it went into towards the land and they
still haven't floated it yet.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
Shame.
Speaker 5 (04:52):
No, it's stuck hard by the looks of it, and
it's going to take four or five tugboats. I think
they're waiting for the type to go come in a
bit and so it floats a bit. But no, I
think it's also got some sort of consequences in terms
of what we need to do in relation to you know,
in Chile and fairies, and and because it's just a
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vital sort of connection for the country.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
And what state won is something pointed out, and I.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
Think we're gonna have to spend a lot more money
than we think we had to in the first place.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
I was actually wonderingly and who would be losing the
most sleep over this. Would it be Simmy and Brown,
the head of the Kiwi Rail or would it actually
be Nicola. Willis' is like, oh, I'm going to have
to find some more money. What do you think?
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Yeah, well, you know, or you know, perhaps of people
are involved as well, such as you know, the driver
you call that the person that steers the ship.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
I'm not sure what I think it was a steering failure.
I think it was a steering exactly.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Yeah, and Love, I think this is a this is
a really important issue, right, I mean, we've you know,
we saw in the budget the big additional scend for infrastructure.
What was lacking from our perspective, and you know, we
talked about this was that inter islander theory is absolutely
essential for the South Island to move their f rate
and without it, we are really really hamstrung. And we
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know that we've got significant underinvestment in some of the
roads between Pepton and the rest of the South Island
and now we've got the theory that is just completely unreliable.
So it is a real issue. And you know, I
think we have actually been incredibly lucky that the weather
was what it was. Otherwise this could have been a
whole lot worse.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
That's right, And there were only forty eight. There were
only forty eight people on board. Do you just think
if there were a couple of hundred and people were panicking.
But the other thing is I absolutely agree with you Leanne.
I don't think that we've put enough time, enough thinking,
enough investment in terms of our whole sort of coastal shipping.
I think the Blue Highway makes a heck of a
lot of sense in terms of delivery mass delivery or products.
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It's certainly the cheapest form, but there needs a bit
of investment. But the other thing is that you've got
to have a rail option, and the the option that
the Minister of Finance was looking at doesn't have a
round option.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Yeah, actually somebody said that we do. We need to
get brand new theories. I mean the secondhand frigates, the
secondhand I mean we're going to be offered a back
when we had an airports so we're going to be
getting offered second hand F sixteen's or something and it
doesn't need to be brand new, doesn't, but we do
need to. It needs certainly needs to be better, doesn't it, Leanne.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Yes, absolutely it does. And I think you know, we
have to weigh up the benefits of you know, secondhand
versus new. You know, technology is changing at great pace.
You know, we look at you know, some of the
technology that is now much more environmentally friendly. So we've
got to take all of those things into account. And
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what we cannot do is keep overswitting their assets because
you know, we've got a passion here of under investment
in overswitting assets and it's now starting to bite us
on the backside, you know a lot of different ways,
and it has a huge impact across the community.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Well, it's only two days ago that there was a
headline saying the government is unimpressed with Kiwu Rail's maintenance
of the cook straight under island the fairies. Is there
going to be someone who is putting the stocks metaphorically
speaking and pelted with fruit on this one? Leanne?
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Well, I think you know, questions certainly need to need
to be asked, and no, doubt they will be. But
you know, again this is you know, we've had a
number of incidents here and I'm sure that issues are
very complex. You know, I was reading a little bit
about obviously the maintenance issue that has come up, and
you know that those questions certainly need to be asked
because you know, we need to have reliable connectivity between
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the North and the South Island. And you know, if
we keep running into these sorts of problems, it just
exacerbates all sorts of other problems in what we've got
supply chain issues between the international freight and now we've
got supply chain issues internally as well, and all of
that provides huge problems for the consumers.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
Yeah, and I think we need a bigger answer here,
a Leen. I think what we need, what needs to
happen is all the political parties need to sit down
and we need to figure it our thirty to fifty
year plan, and it does need to be staged. You know,
we're going to have a population in about fifteen years
of nearly seven million people. We really do have to
have you know, we are and we do have to
have a look at how we redistribute our population, and
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we and more folks do need to move to the
south on But for that to happen, you have to
build industry, you have to build infrastructure, and rail is
just a fundamental part of that.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Actually, I'm just wondering, you know, if you're in Sami
and Brown's shoes, I just to chat with a colleague
about this, that in a way, these are you know,
there's a stressful thing to be dealing with. But I
wonder if actually this is the sort of thing that
as a minister, Sam and Brown would be just like
I mean, would he be enjoying himself, Would it be
like what a great challenge I've got, Or would he
be like, well, well he's a young guy. If he
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hasn't got the energy for the role, be living over
the energy. But I would imagine that this is sort
of the stuff that you sort of want to seize
with both hands because this is a problem that you
can solve, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
Well not really, it's not a problem that you can
solve immediately. The media issue we will be as Leanne said,
what happened? How did it happen? But the other thing
is that this boat's going to probably be out of
action for weeks if not months, and just taking one
ferry out of the system means huge delays in terms
of people and product. And don't know, I think if
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I was the minister, my gut feeling would be should
I don't need this today?
Speaker 4 (10:40):
Well o'clock or whenever it got working up alien Yeah,
but I also think that you know, look, clearly, you know,
people go into these roles to make the right calls,
you know, to do things differently and to get really
good outcomes.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
And so he has to see this as an opportunity
because right now it can't get me worse. And you know,
we but we also have to start thinking about, you know,
what are the future options and for funding and financing
these sorts of situations, because we cannot continue to use
the same models that we've used in the past. Now
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we have seen a se've's never going to manute under
investment in so many parts of the country. And I'm
not just talking about infrastructure, and I'm not just talking
about the theory and so and we know right now
we can't afford to fix all this stuff. So we've
got to start being creative. We've got to start looking
at our models, we've got to start being much more
open minded and bringing the public along on the journey
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with us to really understand we need to do things
differently moving forward. Otherwise we're going to just continue to
be the small, you know, nation at the bottom of
the world who appears on the front page of papers,
and for all the wrong.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Reasons because the headlines, I mean, got our infrastructure headlines.
So we had the seven five seven breakdowns, we've had
the frigate now breakdown, and just a couple of days
ago the power outage in Northland. A tower falls. There's
going to be an inquiry into this. I get. I
was on air when we were just not long after
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it had happened, and I as a novice, it's fun
to imagine without knowing too much, so you can just
say silly things. I thought to myself, Ah, you know what,
they've probably been doing some work on the base and
they've unbolted it, and it's just like, how on Bob,
did you unbuilt the other one too? Mine's unbolted too.
Oh my god, there it goes, and it's sounding like
sort of I might be right, shage.
Speaker 5 (12:33):
No, no, no, no, they were weaking on it. They
were working on it when it fell down and as
a result of it, fifty thousand people were out of power,
and some of them were out of powerful forty eight hours.
And you know, that can be a life or this
situation for some say, for instance, if you've got a
medical device at home and you rely on that, or
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it's the only form of hitting you've got and it's
reasonably cold sort of winter at the moment. The other
thing is Transpower is a company that does well, makes
record profit after record profit. In fact, they've just gone
to the Commerce Commission, and as a result of it,
you and my power bill going to go up about
fifteen dollars a month. So you know, in this case,
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in this case, I think it's the provider that needs
to take some real responsibility and ensure that they've got
alternatives when these things go horribly wrong.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
I thought their initial statement when they apologize sincerely did
sound to me like it was. I mean, it has
to have been some human era, doesn't it, LeeAnne. You
know you're doing maintenance on it out. It doesn't look
like it's twisted and shared. It's literally just gone.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Yeah, it certainly sounds a bit like it. And look,
I haven't got all the details and probably no one
has hints the review into that, but I guess it
does raise a really good question around what are some
of the alternatives one of the back ups? And because
you know, to have fifty thousand people, and I'm assuming
from those fifty thousand people, there'll be a bunch of
businesses that will be impacted by that as well. And
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we know right now it's pretty bloody tough out there
for businesses, so that if they're without power for you know,
forty eight hours, you know, that's just another sort of
nail on the coffin for these businesses who can't operate.
So you know, we've got to do.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Better, just quickly. The inquiry should take next to no time.
Surely there were people there when it happened. They just
ask everyone, what were you doing? What happened? We should
have an answer now, shouldn't we leanne What do you think?
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Well, you'd think. So this is sometimes where you know,
bureaucracy gets in the way rather than just following common
sense and you know, on owning up and saying we
got that one role, this is what we're going to
do moving forward, this is the lessons that we've learned
and move on. But I think there is a wider
issure around you know, how can we make sure, because
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you know, Era has happened, right, people make mistakes and
this is a pretty big one. But how do we
make sure that if those sorts of things, you know,
do happen in the future, that we've actually got back
ups and alternatives in place so that you know, it
doesn't have such a massive impacted across their community.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
Well, the other thing is that transpar does have I
suppose responsibility not only to its consumers but probably to
its shielders. And I reckon they've probably got a whole
bunch of very well paid, very supportive lawyers that will
say we need to look at limiting now liability as
much as possible.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Well, let's say if they do have anyone legally looking
into it, it doesn't get held up for the length
of time that we've seen with the Greens thing, I
think day ninety seven. Anyway, we're not going to talk
about that though. That's just me having a cheap shot.
Right by the way, Oh look the other Sorry I've
just turned the wrong page. Hey, the comments made by
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Conservation Minister Tim of Portuker, who has well he's just
been caught in a moment of being candid saying saving
every species may be too expensive. Opposition MP's with gobsmack
that he was talking about maybe more cost effective to
let species go extinct. But actually I think he's just
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he's sort of been caught being a little bit honest
there in a way, Shane, because something you can't necessarily
fight every battle of nature, is it? I mean, ninety
nine percent of all species that have ever existed on
Earth are extinct. Life today represents a tiny fraction. What's
your take on it? Politically clumsy or but is it reality?
Speaker 1 (16:31):
No?
Speaker 5 (16:31):
I think it is politically clumsy. Remember this, this is
the Minister for the Environment, you know, and we do
have four thousand species that are at risk. And I
suppose it also just heightens the sort of the language
that my good friend Shane Jones has used in terms
of Freddy Fredo the frog is gone. And I just
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think that, you know, like, where does the list begin?
Where where does it end? And I do think we
can get the balance between environmental and economic fortunes. I
think we can get a balanced Now. I think this
is a very bad mistake for the Minister for the
Environment to.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Say, although I guess you could argue I'm not the
Minister for the environment, I'm Minister of the Environment. But anyway,
there's some semantics for you, Lee and what do you reckon.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Yeah, look, it's an interesting position, you know for the
minister to have taken, and whether or not it's a
position or just to you know, a slip up in
terms of his response at the time. You know, we
just talked about human error. This might have been one
of them, who knows, And it is challenging. You know,
some would say that we should be doing everything we
possibly can, and then others will say, you know, not
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at all costs. But you know, we look at you know,
right across the business community. Now, every business I know
is cutting costs, we can out operate more efficiently. They're
taking all sorts of different measures to do that, and
the same should apply to government department. So you know,
this is this is a challenging situation for the you know,
the department to be in. And maybe that's the point
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that he was trying to make. Who knows.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
It's funny. I think he got into more trouble than
Shane Jones, who was because I think the thing that
we've got with that Shane Jones had going for him
is that he is also quite funny. Yeah, and you know,
if it's for an engaging frog, isn't the way of
our project. It's by by Freddy And I think even
you know, if you're outraged, you still might have gone
he's kind of funny.
Speaker 5 (18:26):
But I think that we also do need to recognize
that our environment is important to us all and it
is pretty brittle. And if we have a bit of
a deep dive into the budget that was released on
June the thirtieth, our pest control programs have been slashed
by sixty seventy percent in some areas. And what we
do know, Tim is that if you do relax and
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you do allow that to get away on you, it'll
get away on your big time. And it's taken decades
to fix a lot of this, and we can't just
we've just got to focus on it.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Gosh, lots of challenges if you're in the government right now. Anyway,
we're going to be back in just a moment and
talking about it and a slightly different part of the
world in Louisiana and the rules that they've just changed
over there around having the ten Commandments in every classroom.
We'll be back in just a moment. It's just gone
twenty five past three News Talk Seed B and welcome
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back to the Weekend Collective. This is the panel. By
the way, if you miss any of our hours, you
can go and check out our podcast. Just go to
to iHeartRadio look for the Weekend Collective. My panelists today
are Shane to Poe and a new panelist today and
it is Leanne Watson, who is the chief executive of
Business Canterbury, coming from to us from down the line
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in Canterbury. She obviously couldn't get those tickets for the
Blues they sold out so quickly. Anyway, Hey guys, every
public school classroom in Louisiana has been ordered to display
a poster of the Ten Commandments legible font It's being
challenged by civil liberty groups. Look old chip in first.
It's funny that the Christians it's very Old Testament. I think.
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I think you can get yourself in real problems if
you start hitching your colors to everything in the Old Testament.
I mean of my producer last night was telling me
that there's something in the Old Testament of the view
if you blend two different materials. You should be taken
to the edge of your village in stoned and the
Ten Commandments. Everyone talks about the Ten Commandments, but half
of them are about you know, a couple of them
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about treating women as as as possessions for one. So
I'm not sure they're going to I hope they don't
win this one, Leanne. What do you think Hang on
a second, you're there, I can't hear you right now,
or just how just to stand by and we'll just
get the fader up there. I think I've got legally
and connected. Yes, we got you.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
I can hear you.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Great where you go?
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Well, possibly not a bed that you didn't hear my
initial response in there, particularly after this comment to that woman,
But only in America, right, And look, I certainly think
that you know, there is so many bigger issues that
play right now in education, not only here in New Zealand,
but I'm sure across the world. So for this to
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be front and center as just I guess just one
of those things that you sort of question, what earth
are they doing and why when there are just such
huge societal issues across the world around educating our young
people into the future.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Yeah, shame, what do you reckon?
Speaker 5 (21:38):
How we'll just put on Well, it gives me a
little bit of faith that that we're not we're not
going to we're not too divided here in al Or
New Zealand. If we just make the comparison. Now, this
is purposeful, this is purposeful from but the Republican politicians.
If you have a look at the poorest states, they're
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all Southern Republican states. They're Arkansas, the Louisiana, their Mississippi.
And also the education rates are shockingly low, and I
think they keep people dumb on purpose. And the other
thing is that they all rely on federal on federal
aid to basically keep those states ticking over. And you know,
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I'm a fair believer that the state and religion ought
to be separated by a large detail.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Believe what you want.
Speaker 5 (22:34):
I think there's a lot of sinister things happening in
the states. And if you just have a look at
the Southern states and you have a look at the education,
you have a look at their literacy rates, you have
a look at their poverty rates, it's.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
A big issue. I always find these sort of things
mildly amusing in a way. But I did love There's
a tweet by a guy called I think his name
is John Fugel saying is a comedian, but this is
I thought he pretty much knowled it. He said, Fundamentalist
Christians are putting the Ten Commandments in Louisiana public schools.
Now their kids will know God is deeply offended by
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stealing coted, covering thy neighbor's wife, covering thy neighbors goods, adultery,
and bearing false witness. And this November, those kids will
watch their parents vote for Donald Trump. Anyway. And also
I mention it because there is someone I'm a big
fan of, Christopher Hitchins, who was of oured atheist, but
he wrote an article a while ago, I think in
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Vanity Fair, where he redrafted them, because when you go
through the Ten Commandments, a lot of a lot of
them are about morality. They're about you know, don't make
an engrave in imageries, and I'm the only God and
all this sort of stuff, And he drafted his own
and it's actually worth having a read of it because
they're actually very they're quite thoughtful commandments. I'm not going
to read them all out, but it starts with do
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not condemn people on the basis of their ethnicity or color,
do not ever use people as private property, and despise
those who use violence or the threat of it in
sexual relationships. And then it goes goes on, Then he
goes Number seven is turn off that effing cell phone.
You have no idea how it important your callers to me? Anyway,
on to other things. Hey, now, Leanne of course, coming
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to us from christ Church, what's going on? Are you guys? Really?
You're apparently the highest ranking New Zealand city in the
twenty twenty four Happy City Index. What makes everyone in
christ Church so happy?
Speaker 3 (24:27):
I'm not surprised by that at all. I'm surprised you're
surprised by it. Look, I think there's a number of things,
and you mentioned before, you know, people are moving to
christ Church. In fact, I think last year we had
three thousand people from outside of christ Church move here
in just one year. So people are voting with their feet.
We've topped the internal migration chart for two years running.
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So there's a lot of great things happening in christ Church.
I mean, we do have we are very blessed, I
guess by our quality of life. And while that might
sound a bit of a cliche. Those things are becoming
increasingly important to people. We've got reasonably affordable houses, our
commercial rents are still reading the affordable, so we've seen
businesses move here. We've got limited congestion. You know, we've
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we've had you know, one of the best rugby teams
in the world. So just throw that one in there,
just in case.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
No thing I noticed. Carry on, they'll be back.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
They were definitely be back.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
You know.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
We've got a world class airport, and so there are
many many things to be really really positive about. We've
got an amazing new emerging industry sectors. You know, we're
growing our aerospace sector really really quickly. So there's huge
job opportunities and career opportunities here as well. So all
of those things, when you've put them all together, uh,
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you know, it does make for a pretty exciting place.
And so we are seeing people look at some of
the challenges that they have, you know, with the the
affordable ability of living at the moment. You know, we
know that the cost of living is still a huge
issue with a huge interest rate spikes and all sorts
of people are making those decisions. So I think that
all of that comes into account when people are obviously
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looking at christ Church.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
What are you are you found of christ?
Speaker 5 (26:13):
I do like christ Church. I try to get down
there a couple of times years. I've got some good
mates down there. I've hired five people over the last year.
We're not a big company, but five people over the
last year that live in and around christ Church. Houses
are a lot more affordable. The universities provide very solid
qualifications and just my personal experience, there's some good graduates
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out of there. And the other thing is it is
very affordable. And you know what it has that Auckland
doesn't have and that Wellington doesn't have. It's actually good,
a vibrant CBD.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
I was actually just about to ask Lean that question
because gosh, Auckland, I really worry around Queen Street. Just
feels that Auckland Transport have done everything they can to
kill the heart of the city. Seems like Wellington might
even be leading the charger. It's a close race between
Auckland and Wellington. I mean, what is the what is
the where's the action? And christ So I know you
(27:08):
as a as a spokesperson for Cannibar things going to
say the actions everywhere, But what is this heart of
the city like at the moment, the.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
Hardness who is actually going really really well? I mean
it's business is tough everywhere across New Zealans. So I
don't want to sound so in death to those businesses
out there, but we do have a vibrant central city
and that's for a number of reasons. First of all,
you know, it's a relatively new central city post earthquake,
so we've got some you know, world class bars and
(27:38):
restaurants and places like Riverside, you know, which is a
huge draw card to get people into the central city.
We've got that. Yeah, it's really neat to the new
public library and the Central City Margaret Mayhe Playground, all
of those new pieces of infrastructure, I have really played
a part. But I also think that you know, you
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mentioned before Shane about the university. University of Cannibury is
the only university in US that has grown right now
because they've done a huge job on really understanding what
education looks like in the picture, and they've got all
sorts of amazing things that they're doing around microfidential, So
trying really hard to actually make sure that they've got
(28:20):
a purpose moving forward, and so the central city has
done a bit of that as well. How do they
actually attract and retain people?
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Can I just throw into the mix? I do think
that probably the christ Church Town Hall is the best
internal inside concert venue in using I love it. I've
had some great experiences there. I met my wife there,
a whole bunch of things.
Speaker 5 (28:39):
And another thing that works really well for christ Church
is that night Tahoo is a major investor in local infrastructure, productivity, productivity,
and they work very well with the council and others.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Good's absolutely right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Good stuff. Actually they are rocking, rolling eyway, and I
tell you that's absolutely Hey, look, we'll take a quick
moment and come back with some more chat just a moment,
including whether you would swim in the Seine. Apparently they've
cleaned it and that's going to be people swimming in
the Olympics. But I don't know, e Coli tick or cross?
Is that the word? Anyway, We'll be back in just
a moment with my paneless Lee and Watson and Shamee
(29:18):
to Poe. I'm Tim Beverage. This is the weekend Collective.
It's twenty to four.
Speaker 5 (29:22):
When I just.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Want to make smile.
Speaker 5 (29:24):
I want to do you like Michael. I want to
see you like dress, get it out like like webisod
for you like this.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
You're over my head? Think about oh used to this?
(29:56):
S ah, yes, wailing. We are playing my producer Joe
being a good Canterbury as boy as well sympathetic to
the issues and christ Church because one thing that would
make some people in christ Itch not so happy. By
the way, Welcome to the Weekend Collective with Shane to
Poe and Leanne Watson and I'm Tim Beverage. Now Leonne,
I'll go straight to you on that's the sale, GP.
(30:17):
The whales have spelled the end or the dolphins should
I say wales? Gosh, the dolphins have spelt the end
of sale? GP. What was your reaction to that? Could
it have been saved? That was the riding on the wall?
I hang a second, Yes, where you go started? Yep,
we got your.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Back, really really really disappointed, you know to hear of
our clothing sale.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
GP.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
I mean it was such a fantastic opportunity to host
to Aaron christ which I was really lucky to get
along last year and this year it did go along
on the day that we didn't happen to get any
racing in, which was also very disappointing. So I mean,
you know, this was a unique opportunity to put christ
Which on the world stage in front of seventy million people,
and so I guess you know, the question there will
(31:03):
be many people asking questions on whether or not did
we strike the right balance with the constraint from the
lawls and Harbor, particularly given the loss of the event
and the boost that it does provide to the economy
of thooty million dollars. Yeah, and you know, for some
they'll be they'll be celebrating, but others, you know, including me,
I think it's an awful shame.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Yeah, I do too. Did you, by the way, did
you go and watch I'm assuming you were there, you've
said that's spectator.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
Yeah, yeah, it's maybe one of the best events of
event to actually it was. Yeah, it's sorrow close and
I think that, you know, equally frustrating was you know,
there was a lot of talk that the sailors and
Russell Cooks himself thought that, you know, Littleton Harbor was
one of the best stages for sale DUP in the
world because it's literally right in front of you, So
(31:53):
it's super exciting. It's yeah, it's just such a shame.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Well somewhere in New Zealand's going to get it as
a city of sales. Guy. I sort of hope at Aukland,
but there have been some other venues murdered, such as Queenstown,
and I can't think of us where somebody suggested Wellington
of course, but what do you reckon, Shane, christ Church.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
It's a shame that christ Church lost it, but look,
there was an agreement before the races in terms of
protocols around the dolphins. Yeah, it is a thirty million dollars,
but let's just put the other hat on. What would
have it looked like if they had as sailed and
one of the dolphins had got maimed or had it
been killed. It would have just been a terrible pr story,
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not only for us and for christ Church. So you know,
there was an agreement beforehand, and I think there are
plenty of other opportunities in other places to hold it.
And I watched the America's Cup very close up last
time it was here, and I think White to Mass
is a lovely harbor.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Actually, I was just driving around the waterfront. But home
the other Oh, it's maybe a few weeks ago now,
but they had one of it looked like one of
the America's cup boats out doing its thing. God, foiling
sailing is just even at a distance. I was like, gosh,
that thing is just blistering speed. It's spectacular. Anyway, we'll
invite you up though, when it comes to Auckland Lee
(33:12):
and we'll get you into the studio and when you
come up to Itch it'd be great. Okay, Gosh, I
love a bit of inter city rivalry, isn't it. That's
what makes us tig sometimes, isn't it. Hey. By the way,
speaking of sport, I always wondered if they had I
don't know how on earth they were going to do this.
But the Parisians have been cleaning up the sea and
they spent one point four billion pounds clean up for
(33:34):
the Sein for the triathlon, and this testing this week
showing it's still not safe for swimming as per the
standard set by the World Triathlon due to the high E.
Coli bacteria levels in the water. I mean it would
the idea of swimming in the Seine as an Olympic
sport in Paris sounds awesome, but I don't know, Shame, I'd.
Speaker 5 (33:58):
Have all the shots that I was I could get
my hands on into it. But actually it wasn't that
long ago where they had the train and World champion.
They had the triathlon World champions hire and just just
down there at the local harbor, and the water quality
was what was in question.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
Ay.
Speaker 5 (34:14):
But what I am a big fan of is when
these cities hold the Olympics, that they have as many
of the of the events close to where people live,
where people work, so they can see all of the
sort of actually a great ideas.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
In Paris because so time recently it seems you have
a city attached to it and then you find out
that certain events are ours away. So at least they're
trying to get it going. Leanne, would you go for
a dip in the sand?
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Well, you know, they might have slightly better technique technique
than me for filming, but I know, I don't think
I'd want to test my immunity levels by taking a dip,
that's for sure. And it's a pretty sad state of affairs.
But as Shame has pointed out, you know this is uh,
you know, something that we've had in our own backyard
and so you know, it's also a bit of a
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shame that we only get to see, you know, these
things being cleaned up. We've got these big events, so
we've got to again, we've got to do a bit
of job of making this a bit more permanent.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Yeah, to be fair, I mean it is a massive
city and you're with millions and millions of people. It
was always sounded like a big ask. But I'd tell
you one thing. It has reminded me though, because if
you check the date for the Olympics, they kick off
in about five weeks time, and I'm I'm genuinely excited
for this Olympics as well that we've also got some
fantastic metal prospects that we do, including in the track
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and field. I mean Hamish kur the the high jumper. Yes,
I'm are you excited for the Olympics. You know, you're
just waiting, waiting to get a bit closer the earland.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
Probably waiting until I get a little bit closer. But
you know, have been keeping a little bit of an
eye on the you know, some of the announcements and
particularly the rowing. You know, it sounds like we've got
some you know some really good metal chances there as well,
So you know, when it's on, I'll be all on
and just one of those things.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Yeah good, that's that's a women, That's what.
Speaker 5 (36:06):
That's what I love about the Olympics, and sadly I
also love the Commonwealth Games. I think they're going to
come to an end. What I like is the minor
sports get a bit of a little of the highlights
and we can watch them.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
You're like a bit of handball and some of them
more not minor sports. That's quite a bit.
Speaker 5 (36:21):
Sports canoeing, Oh yeah, absolutely one that I enjoy. But
you know what a gold medal is a gold medal, bok.
But if you win one and check and field, for me,
it's something differently.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Oh yeah, that would be amazing, I tell you what.
I think we'd go nuts over that. Anyway. It's ten
to four. This is the panel on News Talks. It'd
be on the Weekend Collective. We'll be back in just
a moment. He little help help friends, and welcome back
(36:53):
to this is the panel. I'm Tim Beverage on the
Weekend Collective and my guess Shane Tapoe and Leanne Watson
and last topic, we just got a couple of minutes.
But hey, Shaney, you're a big beat found because it's
sixty years since they since they came to New Zealand,
Landed and Wellington for the first and only New Zealand too.
They apparently only played thirty minutes for each show, but
(37:15):
I imagining for the fans that was enough. We probably
couldn't hear a thing anyway.
Speaker 5 (37:19):
That's why no know the Beatles average show was twenty
eight to thirty minutes. Even the famous Hollywood Bowl show
was only long.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (37:26):
Yeah, they played eight nine songs. A wonderful little story
that Don Lennon's auntie lived in New Zealand time. Yeah,
and they went in and visited him and spent about
an hour and a half of her in ringo with
him and ringo.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
That's a great little story. How surreal, isn't it, Leanne,
that you're popping into living to visit Auntie or something.
It's I mean, I don't think any of us were
around at that time. Of course, no, we weren't. What
was it sixty years?
Speaker 5 (37:56):
Yeah, it's incredible.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Yeah, Leanne, what did you were? You found of the
Beatles from time to time?
Speaker 1 (38:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Absolutely, think there's still battles on the playlist, and that's
actually really interesting. I'm just thinking about this when you
set the information through because actually so my kids, you know, so,
I often wonder whether or not we're going to see
if we think in another sixty years, who are going
to be talking about and we're going to have another Beatles?
Because we just don't seem to have that anymore. And
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these guys have been around a very long time and
multiple generations.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
I think that's inesting question. Well, it's like we in
classical music, the Mozart and I'm still persisting, are there
are the Beatles going to be one of those bands
whose music will persist just through the ages? Who's your
favorite Beatle?
Speaker 5 (38:44):
Just quickly Don Lennon, you know he was the master
behind it. But I think Leann's got a point. And
I wrote a little piece that got a lot of controversy.
I think rock and rollers dying is dying, and it's
on it slast Well. You think about all the greats,
all the greats that are alive now, and there's sixties
and seventies and no seventies and eighties.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
I mean, those artists are dying in the music moves
on who's got a favorite beatle?
Speaker 1 (39:07):
There?
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Lion.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
She was going to say John too, but I think
I had the great fusure of going to often John
last year. And Ge I mean, I've been to lots
of concerts, but it was incredible. And I do often
think about I am a huge Cold Place fan and
people coming up to Aukland, and I'm also a huge
U two fan, and I think those both of ben
(39:33):
will tend a test of time. But there's not many
that I could count on one handed, you know.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Yeah, I go for George Harrison because I think two
is something in the way she moves. And also here
comes the son and I just anyway, Hey, thanks so much,
Le and I hope you've enjoyed yourself putting out with
us for an hour. And Shane, thanks for coming out you.
We'll catch you again soon. We'll be the Cheeth. Yeah,
the blues are all over them. Okay, we'll be back shortly.
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Welcome to the Weekend Collective. This Saturday, the twenty second
of June. We're passed the shortest Day. Where's amusing not
amuses me. I find it quite interesting that the shortest
day is not the heart of winter. You'd think it
would sort of intuitively, but anyway, never mind, Hey, look
looking forward to your company over the next three hours,
and just a moment, we'll introduce our esteemed panelists, but
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investment property. It's one thing to talk about the market's doing,
the markets doing this and that, but how do you
actually hone in on that property that's right for you?
And from five o'clock, Sarah Chapman joins us. Among other things,
what do you do when your child wants to pursue
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But right now it is time for the panel. And
well we've got we've got a newbie on the panel.
(01:23):
How I'm going to introduce a newbie that makes sound
like a sort of a bit more of an engene
of course, let me get onto that in just a moment.
But first, my first panelist. He's a good old a
podo key boy, done good. He's a commentator, blogger and
former Labor Party activist. And when he's not writing opinion
pieces for The Herald or joining us on the show,
you can find Shane at Real Groovy Records. I think
(01:45):
you spent a lot of money there. Yeah, we'll get
you at TENU mic on before you talk, Ah, And
my next We've got a new panelist on the show today,
and she is a dynamic chief executive of Business Canterbury,
a raving local enthusiast for the city, region and business
community and as a proud Cantabrian. As a proud Cantabrian,
(02:06):
she obviously is also by default a huge supporter of
the Blues and we'll be watching the rugby and cheering
for them. And it's it's Leanne Watson Highley. Anne.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
He's good a nice intro.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Well, actually, how are you feeling about that the rugby?
Are you going to be watching it at all?
Speaker 3 (02:25):
I don't ever known there was a game?
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Well quite well, they do it now. But of course,
look at you guys have had seven years of just
good times, haven't you.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Yeah, look, we've got to let someone else, you know,
take the opportunity, I suppose, And yeah, good on them
for you know, working hard to get back to the
back to the level that they have. It's taken a while,
but you know we'll be back next year.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Basically, Yeah, how sporting of you? Are you going, Shane
your game.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
To the game?
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Man?
Speaker 5 (02:51):
This is a big, big yeah, I'm a chiefs man.
This is a big night for me. So yeah, after this,
I'll go and have a cup of tea with a
couple of mates that are up, and then we'll go
off to the football.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
I reckon, I think I'm gonna I like to make
bold predictions because predictions a fun. Some people are like,
oh what if I'm wrong? It's like it's just a
sports prediction. So here's my prediction. The Blues are going
to clean the Chief's clock tonight. You're going to be
support What do you think?
Speaker 5 (03:17):
No, no, no, I think that the Blues probably do
have the home homeground advantage, but I think that it'll
almost be like a home game for the Chiefs that
I would imagine that Southern Motorway is pretty pretty busy
now as they sort of head up from from Hamilton.
But no, no, I'm picking the Chiefs by one point.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Okay, well one point yeah, And I think Lea and
you're just like, I don't care. Are you just going
to support the team that has a little bit of
red in the uniform?
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Is possibly? And you're right, I don't really care, which
is probably not the right thing to say, but I've
got a one e Cantabrian probably don't really care that much. However,
if I had to pick a team, I would absolutely
pick the Chiefs because my good old uncle Boff is
the Big Chiefs, has been all his life. So if
you're listening, uncle Boss, go the chief. NHGA also liked
(04:09):
to support the team that potentially is a bit of
considered the underdog here and I think that is certainly
what I've been hearing. So great, great, great for both
teams ready to be there.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Yeah, by that logic, you should have been charing for
the opposition every time the Crusader's played if you're back
in the underdog.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Not this year, but every other other other team other
than Crusader. Of course, Crusader the absolutely top of mind,
of course.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Right now, let's get into it, guys. Forty seven people
spent the night on the Intelo Island ferry out to
terry which around the ground last night was actually on
air when that story broke, and I thought it maybe
just sort of run aground on a bit of a sandbar,
but actually it went into towards the land and they
still haven't floated it yet.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
Shame.
Speaker 5 (04:52):
No, it's stuck hard by the looks of it, and
it's going to take four or five tugboats. I think
they're waiting for the type to go come in a
bit and so it floats a bit. But no, I
think it's also got some sort of consequences in terms
of what we need to do in relation to you know,
in Chile and fairies, and and because it's just a
(05:13):
vital sort of connection for the country.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
And what state won is something pointed out, and I.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
Think we're gonna have to spend a lot more money
than we think we had to in the first place.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
I was actually wonderingly and who would be losing the
most sleep over this. Would it be Simmy and Brown,
the head of the Kiwi Rail or would it actually
be Nicola. Willis' is like, oh, I'm going to have
to find some more money. What do you think?
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Yeah, well, you know, or you know, perhaps of people
are involved as well, such as you know, the driver
you call that the person that steers the ship.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
I'm not sure what I think it was a steering failure.
I think it was a steering exactly.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Yeah, and Love, I think this is a this is
a really important issue, right, I mean, we've you know,
we saw in the budget the big additional scend for infrastructure.
What was lacking from our perspective, and you know, we
talked about this was that inter islander theory is absolutely
essential for the South Island to move their f rate
and without it, we are really really hamstrung. And we
(06:13):
know that we've got significant underinvestment in some of the
roads between Pepton and the rest of the South Island
and now we've got the theory that is just completely unreliable.
So it is a real issue. And you know, I
think we have actually been incredibly lucky that the weather
was what it was. Otherwise this could have been a
whole lot worse.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
That's right, And there were only forty eight. There were
only forty eight people on board. Do you just think
if there were a couple of hundred and people were panicking.
But the other thing is I absolutely agree with you Leanne.
I don't think that we've put enough time, enough thinking,
enough investment in terms of our whole sort of coastal shipping.
I think the Blue Highway makes a heck of a
lot of sense in terms of delivery mass delivery or products.
(06:57):
It's certainly the cheapest form, but there needs a bit
of investment. But the other thing is that you've got
to have a rail option, and the the option that
the Minister of Finance was looking at doesn't have a
round option.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Yeah, actually somebody said that we do. We need to
get brand new theories. I mean the secondhand frigates, the
secondhand I mean we're going to be offered a back
when we had an airports so we're going to be
getting offered second hand F sixteen's or something and it
doesn't need to be brand new, doesn't, but we do
need to. It needs certainly needs to be better, doesn't it, Leanne.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Yes, absolutely it does. And I think you know, we
have to weigh up the benefits of you know, secondhand
versus new. You know, technology is changing at great pace.
You know, we look at you know, some of the
technology that is now much more environmentally friendly. So we've
got to take all of those things into account. And
(07:52):
what we cannot do is keep overswitting their assets because
you know, we've got a passion here of under investment
in overswitting assets and it's now starting to bite us
on the backside, you know a lot of different ways,
and it has a huge impact across the community.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Well, it's only two days ago that there was a
headline saying the government is unimpressed with Kiwu Rail's maintenance
of the cook straight under island the fairies. Is there
going to be someone who is putting the stocks metaphorically
speaking and pelted with fruit on this one? Leanne?
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Well, I think you know, questions certainly need to need
to be asked, and no, doubt they will be. But
you know, again this is you know, we've had a
number of incidents here and I'm sure that issues are
very complex. You know, I was reading a little bit
about obviously the maintenance issue that has come up, and
you know that those questions certainly need to be asked
because you know, we need to have reliable connectivity between
(08:48):
the North and the South Island. And you know, if
we keep running into these sorts of problems, it just
exacerbates all sorts of other problems in what we've got
supply chain issues between the international freight and now we've
got supply chain issues internally as well, and all of
that provides huge problems for the consumers.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
Yeah, and I think we need a bigger answer here,
a Leen. I think what we need, what needs to
happen is all the political parties need to sit down
and we need to figure it our thirty to fifty
year plan, and it does need to be staged. You know,
we're going to have a population in about fifteen years
of nearly seven million people. We really do have to
have you know, we are and we do have to
have a look at how we redistribute our population, and
(09:29):
we and more folks do need to move to the
south on But for that to happen, you have to
build industry, you have to build infrastructure, and rail is
just a fundamental part of that.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Actually, I'm just wondering, you know, if you're in Sami
and Brown's shoes, I just to chat with a colleague
about this, that in a way, these are you know,
there's a stressful thing to be dealing with. But I
wonder if actually this is the sort of thing that
as a minister, Sam and Brown would be just like
I mean, would he be enjoying himself, Would it be
like what a great challenge I've got, Or would he
be like, well, well he's a young guy. If he
(09:59):
hasn't got the energy for the role, be living over
the energy. But I would imagine that this is sort
of the stuff that you sort of want to seize
with both hands because this is a problem that you
can solve, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
Well not really, it's not a problem that you can
solve immediately. The media issue we will be as Leanne said,
what happened? How did it happen? But the other thing
is that this boat's going to probably be out of
action for weeks if not months, and just taking one
ferry out of the system means huge delays in terms
of people and product. And don't know, I think if
(10:35):
I was the minister, my gut feeling would be should
I don't need this today?
Speaker 4 (10:40):
Well o'clock or whenever it got working up alien Yeah,
but I also think that you know, look, clearly, you know,
people go into these roles to make the right calls,
you know, to do things differently and to get really
good outcomes.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
And so he has to see this as an opportunity
because right now it can't get me worse. And you know,
we but we also have to start thinking about, you know,
what are the future options and for funding and financing
these sorts of situations, because we cannot continue to use
the same models that we've used in the past. Now
(11:17):
we have seen a se've's never going to manute under
investment in so many parts of the country. And I'm
not just talking about infrastructure, and I'm not just talking
about the theory and so and we know right now
we can't afford to fix all this stuff. So we've
got to start being creative. We've got to start looking
at our models, we've got to start being much more
open minded and bringing the public along on the journey
(11:39):
with us to really understand we need to do things
differently moving forward. Otherwise we're going to just continue to
be the small, you know, nation at the bottom of
the world who appears on the front page of papers,
and for all the wrong.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Reasons because the headlines, I mean, got our infrastructure headlines.
So we had the seven five seven breakdowns, we've had
the frigate now breakdown, and just a couple of days
ago the power outage in Northland. A tower falls. There's
going to be an inquiry into this. I get. I
was on air when we were just not long after
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it had happened, and I as a novice, it's fun
to imagine without knowing too much, so you can just
say silly things. I thought to myself, Ah, you know what,
they've probably been doing some work on the base and
they've unbolted it, and it's just like, how on Bob,
did you unbuilt the other one too? Mine's unbolted too.
Oh my god, there it goes, and it's sounding like
sort of I might be right, shage.
Speaker 5 (12:33):
No, no, no, no, they were weaking on it. They
were working on it when it fell down and as
a result of it, fifty thousand people were out of power,
and some of them were out of powerful forty eight hours.
And you know, that can be a life or this
situation for some say, for instance, if you've got a
medical device at home and you rely on that, or
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it's the only form of hitting you've got and it's
reasonably cold sort of winter at the moment. The other
thing is Transpower is a company that does well, makes
record profit after record profit. In fact, they've just gone
to the Commerce Commission, and as a result of it,
you and my power bill going to go up about
fifteen dollars a month. So you know, in this case,
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in this case, I think it's the provider that needs
to take some real responsibility and ensure that they've got
alternatives when these things go horribly wrong.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
I thought their initial statement when they apologize sincerely did
sound to me like it was. I mean, it has
to have been some human era, doesn't it, LeeAnne. You
know you're doing maintenance on it out. It doesn't look
like it's twisted and shared. It's literally just gone.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Yeah, it certainly sounds a bit like it. And look,
I haven't got all the details and probably no one
has hints the review into that, but I guess it
does raise a really good question around what are some
of the alternatives one of the back ups? And because
you know, to have fifty thousand people, and I'm assuming
from those fifty thousand people, there'll be a bunch of
businesses that will be impacted by that as well. And
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we know right now it's pretty bloody tough out there
for businesses, so that if they're without power for you know,
forty eight hours, you know, that's just another sort of
nail on the coffin for these businesses who can't operate.
So you know, we've got to do.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Better, just quickly. The inquiry should take next to no time.
Surely there were people there when it happened. They just
ask everyone, what were you doing? What happened? We should
have an answer now, shouldn't we leanne What do you think?
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Well, you'd think. So this is sometimes where you know,
bureaucracy gets in the way rather than just following common
sense and you know, on owning up and saying we
got that one role, this is what we're going to
do moving forward, this is the lessons that we've learned
and move on. But I think there is a wider
issure around you know, how can we make sure, because
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you know, Era has happened, right, people make mistakes and
this is a pretty big one. But how do we
make sure that if those sorts of things, you know,
do happen in the future, that we've actually got back
ups and alternatives in place so that you know, it
doesn't have such a massive impacted across their community.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
Well, the other thing is that transpar does have I
suppose responsibility not only to its consumers but probably to
its shielders. And I reckon they've probably got a whole
bunch of very well paid, very supportive lawyers that will
say we need to look at limiting now liability as
much as possible.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Well, let's say if they do have anyone legally looking
into it, it doesn't get held up for the length
of time that we've seen with the Greens thing, I
think day ninety seven. Anyway, we're not going to talk
about that though. That's just me having a cheap shot.
Right by the way, Oh look the other Sorry I've
just turned the wrong page. Hey, the comments made by
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Conservation Minister Tim of Portuker, who has well he's just
been caught in a moment of being candid saying saving
every species may be too expensive. Opposition MP's with gobsmack
that he was talking about maybe more cost effective to
let species go extinct. But actually I think he's just
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he's sort of been caught being a little bit honest
there in a way, Shane, because something you can't necessarily
fight every battle of nature, is it? I mean, ninety
nine percent of all species that have ever existed on
Earth are extinct. Life today represents a tiny fraction. What's
your take on it? Politically clumsy or but is it reality?
Speaker 1 (16:31):
No?
Speaker 5 (16:31):
I think it is politically clumsy. Remember this, this is
the Minister for the Environment, you know, and we do
have four thousand species that are at risk. And I
suppose it also just heightens the sort of the language
that my good friend Shane Jones has used in terms
of Freddy Fredo the frog is gone. And I just
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think that, you know, like, where does the list begin?
Where where does it end? And I do think we
can get the balance between environmental and economic fortunes. I
think we can get a balanced Now. I think this
is a very bad mistake for the Minister for the
Environment to.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Say, although I guess you could argue I'm not the
Minister for the environment, I'm Minister of the Environment. But anyway,
there's some semantics for you, Lee and what do you reckon.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Yeah, look, it's an interesting position, you know for the
minister to have taken, and whether or not it's a
position or just to you know, a slip up in
terms of his response at the time. You know, we
just talked about human error. This might have been one
of them, who knows, And it is challenging. You know,
some would say that we should be doing everything we
possibly can, and then others will say, you know, not
(17:42):
at all costs. But you know, we look at you know,
right across the business community. Now, every business I know
is cutting costs, we can out operate more efficiently. They're
taking all sorts of different measures to do that, and
the same should apply to government department. So you know,
this is this is a challenging situation for the you know,
the department to be in. And maybe that's the point
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that he was trying to make. Who knows.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
It's funny. I think he got into more trouble than
Shane Jones, who was because I think the thing that
we've got with that Shane Jones had going for him
is that he is also quite funny. Yeah, and you know,
if it's for an engaging frog, isn't the way of
our project. It's by by Freddy And I think even
you know, if you're outraged, you still might have gone
he's kind of funny.
Speaker 5 (18:26):
But I think that we also do need to recognize
that our environment is important to us all and it
is pretty brittle. And if we have a bit of
a deep dive into the budget that was released on
June the thirtieth, our pest control programs have been slashed
by sixty seventy percent in some areas. And what we
do know, Tim is that if you do relax and
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you do allow that to get away on you, it'll
get away on your big time. And it's taken decades
to fix a lot of this, and we can't just
we've just got to focus on it.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Gosh, lots of challenges if you're in the government right now. Anyway,
we're going to be back in just a moment and
talking about it and a slightly different part of the
world in Louisiana and the rules that they've just changed
over there around having the ten Commandments in every classroom.
We'll be back in just a moment. It's just gone
twenty five past three News Talk Seed B and welcome
(19:33):
back to the Weekend Collective. This is the panel. By
the way, if you miss any of our hours, you
can go and check out our podcast. Just go to
to iHeartRadio look for the Weekend Collective. My panelists today
are Shane to Poe and a new panelist today and
it is Leanne Watson, who is the chief executive of
Business Canterbury, coming from to us from down the line
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in Canterbury. She obviously couldn't get those tickets for the
Blues they sold out so quickly. Anyway, Hey guys, every
public school classroom in Louisiana has been ordered to display
a poster of the Ten Commandments legible font It's being
challenged by civil liberty groups. Look old chip in first.
It's funny that the Christians it's very Old Testament. I think.
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I think you can get yourself in real problems if
you start hitching your colors to everything in the Old Testament.
I mean of my producer last night was telling me
that there's something in the Old Testament of the view
if you blend two different materials. You should be taken
to the edge of your village in stoned and the
Ten Commandments. Everyone talks about the Ten Commandments, but half
of them are about you know, a couple of them
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about treating women as as as possessions for one. So
I'm not sure they're going to I hope they don't
win this one, Leanne. What do you think Hang on
a second, you're there, I can't hear you right now,
or just how just to stand by and we'll just
get the fader up there. I think I've got legally
and connected. Yes, we got you.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
I can hear you.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Great where you go?
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Well, possibly not a bed that you didn't hear my
initial response in there, particularly after this comment to that woman,
But only in America, right, And look, I certainly think
that you know, there is so many bigger issues that
play right now in education, not only here in New Zealand,
but I'm sure across the world. So for this to
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be front and center as just I guess just one
of those things that you sort of question, what earth
are they doing and why when there are just such
huge societal issues across the world around educating our young
people into the future.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Yeah, shame, what do you reckon?
Speaker 5 (21:38):
How we'll just put on Well, it gives me a
little bit of faith that that we're not we're not
going to we're not too divided here in al Or
New Zealand. If we just make the comparison. Now, this
is purposeful, this is purposeful from but the Republican politicians.
If you have a look at the poorest states, they're
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all Southern Republican states. They're Arkansas, the Louisiana, their Mississippi.
And also the education rates are shockingly low, and I
think they keep people dumb on purpose. And the other
thing is that they all rely on federal on federal
aid to basically keep those states ticking over. And you know,
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I'm a fair believer that the state and religion ought
to be separated by a large detail.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Believe what you want.
Speaker 5 (22:34):
I think there's a lot of sinister things happening in
the states. And if you just have a look at
the Southern states and you have a look at the education,
you have a look at their literacy rates, you have
a look at their poverty rates, it's.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
A big issue. I always find these sort of things
mildly amusing in a way. But I did love There's
a tweet by a guy called I think his name
is John Fugel saying is a comedian, but this is
I thought he pretty much knowled it. He said, Fundamentalist
Christians are putting the Ten Commandments in Louisiana public schools.
Now their kids will know God is deeply offended by
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stealing coted, covering thy neighbor's wife, covering thy neighbors goods, adultery,
and bearing false witness. And this November, those kids will
watch their parents vote for Donald Trump. Anyway. And also
I mention it because there is someone I'm a big
fan of, Christopher Hitchins, who was of oured atheist, but
he wrote an article a while ago, I think in
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Vanity Fair, where he redrafted them, because when you go
through the Ten Commandments, a lot of a lot of
them are about morality. They're about you know, don't make
an engrave in imageries, and I'm the only God and
all this sort of stuff, And he drafted his own
and it's actually worth having a read of it because
they're actually very they're quite thoughtful commandments. I'm not going
to read them all out, but it starts with do
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not condemn people on the basis of their ethnicity or color,
do not ever use people as private property, and despise
those who use violence or the threat of it in
sexual relationships. And then it goes goes on, Then he
goes Number seven is turn off that effing cell phone.
You have no idea how it important your callers to me? Anyway,
on to other things. Hey, now, Leanne of course, coming
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to us from christ Church, what's going on? Are you guys? Really?
You're apparently the highest ranking New Zealand city in the
twenty twenty four Happy City Index. What makes everyone in
christ Church so happy?
Speaker 3 (24:27):
I'm not surprised by that at all. I'm surprised you're
surprised by it. Look, I think there's a number of things,
and you mentioned before, you know, people are moving to
christ Church. In fact, I think last year we had
three thousand people from outside of christ Church move here
in just one year. So people are voting with their feet.
We've topped the internal migration chart for two years running.
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So there's a lot of great things happening in christ Church.
I mean, we do have we are very blessed, I
guess by our quality of life. And while that might
sound a bit of a cliche. Those things are becoming
increasingly important to people. We've got reasonably affordable houses, our
commercial rents are still reading the affordable, so we've seen
businesses move here. We've got limited congestion. You know, we've
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we've had you know, one of the best rugby teams
in the world. So just throw that one in there,
just in case.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
No thing I noticed. Carry on, they'll be back.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
They were definitely be back.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
You know.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
We've got a world class airport, and so there are
many many things to be really really positive about. We've
got an amazing new emerging industry sectors. You know, we're
growing our aerospace sector really really quickly. So there's huge
job opportunities and career opportunities here as well. So all
of those things, when you've put them all together, uh,
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you know, it does make for a pretty exciting place.
And so we are seeing people look at some of
the challenges that they have, you know, with the the
affordable ability of living at the moment. You know, we
know that the cost of living is still a huge
issue with a huge interest rate spikes and all sorts
of people are making those decisions. So I think that
all of that comes into account when people are obviously
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looking at christ Church.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
What are you are you found of christ?
Speaker 5 (26:13):
I do like christ Church. I try to get down
there a couple of times years. I've got some good
mates down there. I've hired five people over the last year.
We're not a big company, but five people over the
last year that live in and around christ Church. Houses
are a lot more affordable. The universities provide very solid
qualifications and just my personal experience, there's some good graduates
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out of there. And the other thing is it is
very affordable. And you know what it has that Auckland
doesn't have and that Wellington doesn't have. It's actually good,
a vibrant CBD.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
I was actually just about to ask Lean that question
because gosh, Auckland, I really worry around Queen Street. Just
feels that Auckland Transport have done everything they can to
kill the heart of the city. Seems like Wellington might
even be leading the charger. It's a close race between
Auckland and Wellington. I mean, what is the what is
the where's the action? And christ So I know you
(27:08):
as a as a spokesperson for Cannibar things going to
say the actions everywhere, But what is this heart of
the city like at the moment, the.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
Hardness who is actually going really really well? I mean
it's business is tough everywhere across New Zealans. So I
don't want to sound so in death to those businesses
out there, but we do have a vibrant central city
and that's for a number of reasons. First of all,
you know, it's a relatively new central city post earthquake,
so we've got some you know, world class bars and
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restaurants and places like Riverside, you know, which is a
huge draw card to get people into the central city.
We've got that. Yeah, it's really neat to the new
public library and the Central City Margaret Mayhe Playground, all
of those new pieces of infrastructure, I have really played
a part. But I also think that you know, you
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mentioned before Shane about the university. University of Cannibury is
the only university in US that has grown right now
because they've done a huge job on really understanding what
education looks like in the picture, and they've got all
sorts of amazing things that they're doing around microfidential, So
trying really hard to actually make sure that they've got
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a purpose moving forward, and so the central city has
done a bit of that as well. How do they
actually attract and retain people?
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Can I just throw into the mix? I do think
that probably the christ Church Town Hall is the best
internal inside concert venue in using I love it. I've
had some great experiences there. I met my wife there,
a whole bunch of things.
Speaker 5 (28:39):
And another thing that works really well for christ Church
is that night Tahoo is a major investor in local infrastructure, productivity, productivity,
and they work very well with the council and others.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Good's absolutely right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Good stuff. Actually they are rocking, rolling eyway, and I
tell you that's absolutely Hey, look, we'll take a quick
moment and come back with some more chat just a moment,
including whether you would swim in the Seine. Apparently they've
cleaned it and that's going to be people swimming in
the Olympics. But I don't know, e Coli tick or cross?
Is that the word? Anyway, We'll be back in just
a moment with my paneless Lee and Watson and Shamee
(29:18):
to Poe. I'm Tim Beverage. This is the weekend Collective.
It's twenty to four.
Speaker 5 (29:22):
When I just.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Want to make smile.
Speaker 5 (29:24):
I want to do you like Michael. I want to
see you like dress, get it out like like webisod
for you like this.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
You're over my head? Think about oh used to this?
(29:56):
S ah, yes, wailing. We are playing my producer Joe
being a good Canterbury as boy as well sympathetic to
the issues and christ Church because one thing that would
make some people in christ Itch not so happy. By
the way, Welcome to the Weekend Collective with Shane to
Poe and Leanne Watson and I'm Tim Beverage. Now Leonne,
I'll go straight to you on that's the sale, GP.
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The whales have spelled the end or the dolphins should
I say wales? Gosh, the dolphins have spelt the end
of sale? GP. What was your reaction to that? Could
it have been saved? That was the riding on the wall?
I hang a second, Yes, where you go started? Yep,
we got your.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Back, really really really disappointed, you know to hear of
our clothing sale.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
GP.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
I mean it was such a fantastic opportunity to host
to Aaron christ which I was really lucky to get
along last year and this year it did go along
on the day that we didn't happen to get any
racing in, which was also very disappointing. So I mean,
you know, this was a unique opportunity to put christ
Which on the world stage in front of seventy million people,
and so I guess you know, the question there will
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be many people asking questions on whether or not did
we strike the right balance with the constraint from the
lawls and Harbor, particularly given the loss of the event
and the boost that it does provide to the economy
of thooty million dollars. Yeah, and you know, for some
they'll be they'll be celebrating, but others, you know, including me,
I think it's an awful shame.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Yeah, I do too. Did you, by the way, did
you go and watch I'm assuming you were there, you've
said that's spectator.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
Yeah, yeah, it's maybe one of the best events of
event to actually it was. Yeah, it's sorrow close and
I think that, you know, equally frustrating was you know,
there was a lot of talk that the sailors and
Russell Cooks himself thought that, you know, Littleton Harbor was
one of the best stages for sale DUP in the
world because it's literally right in front of you, So
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it's super exciting. It's yeah, it's just such a shame.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Well somewhere in New Zealand's going to get it as
a city of sales. Guy. I sort of hope at Aukland,
but there have been some other venues murdered, such as Queenstown,
and I can't think of us where somebody suggested Wellington
of course, but what do you reckon, Shane, christ Church.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
It's a shame that christ Church lost it, but look,
there was an agreement before the races in terms of
protocols around the dolphins. Yeah, it is a thirty million dollars,
but let's just put the other hat on. What would
have it looked like if they had as sailed and
one of the dolphins had got maimed or had it
been killed. It would have just been a terrible pr story,
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not only for us and for christ Church. So you know,
there was an agreement beforehand, and I think there are
plenty of other opportunities in other places to hold it.
And I watched the America's Cup very close up last
time it was here, and I think White to Mass
is a lovely harbor.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Actually, I was just driving around the waterfront. But home
the other Oh, it's maybe a few weeks ago now,
but they had one of it looked like one of
the America's cup boats out doing its thing. God, foiling
sailing is just even at a distance. I was like, gosh,
that thing is just blistering speed. It's spectacular. Anyway, we'll
invite you up though, when it comes to Auckland Lee
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and we'll get you into the studio and when you
come up to Itch it'd be great. Okay, Gosh, I
love a bit of inter city rivalry, isn't it. That's
what makes us tig sometimes, isn't it. Hey. By the way,
speaking of sport, I always wondered if they had I
don't know how on earth they were going to do this.
But the Parisians have been cleaning up the sea and
they spent one point four billion pounds clean up for
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the Sein for the triathlon, and this testing this week
showing it's still not safe for swimming as per the
standard set by the World Triathlon due to the high E.
Coli bacteria levels in the water. I mean it would
the idea of swimming in the Seine as an Olympic
sport in Paris sounds awesome, but I don't know, Shame, I'd.
Speaker 5 (33:58):
Have all the shots that I was I could get
my hands on into it. But actually it wasn't that
long ago where they had the train and World champion.
They had the triathlon World champions hire and just just
down there at the local harbor, and the water quality
was what was in question.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
Ay.
Speaker 5 (34:14):
But what I am a big fan of is when
these cities hold the Olympics, that they have as many
of the of the events close to where people live,
where people work, so they can see all of the
sort of actually a great ideas.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
In Paris because so time recently it seems you have
a city attached to it and then you find out
that certain events are ours away. So at least they're
trying to get it going. Leanne, would you go for
a dip in the sand?
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Well, you know, they might have slightly better technique technique
than me for filming, but I know, I don't think
I'd want to test my immunity levels by taking a dip,
that's for sure. And it's a pretty sad state of affairs.
But as Shame has pointed out, you know this is uh,
you know, something that we've had in our own backyard
and so you know, it's also a bit of a
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shame that we only get to see, you know, these
things being cleaned up. We've got these big events, so
we've got to again, we've got to do a bit
of job of making this a bit more permanent.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Yeah, to be fair, I mean it is a massive
city and you're with millions and millions of people. It
was always sounded like a big ask. But I'd tell
you one thing. It has reminded me though, because if
you check the date for the Olympics, they kick off
in about five weeks time, and I'm I'm genuinely excited
for this Olympics as well that we've also got some
fantastic metal prospects that we do, including in the track
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and field. I mean Hamish kur the the high jumper. Yes,
I'm are you excited for the Olympics. You know, you're
just waiting, waiting to get a bit closer the earland.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
Probably waiting until I get a little bit closer. But
you know, have been keeping a little bit of an
eye on the you know, some of the announcements and
particularly the rowing. You know, it sounds like we've got
some you know some really good metal chances there as well,
So you know, when it's on, I'll be all on
and just one of those things.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Yeah good, that's that's a women, That's what.
Speaker 5 (36:06):
That's what I love about the Olympics, and sadly I
also love the Commonwealth Games. I think they're going to
come to an end. What I like is the minor
sports get a bit of a little of the highlights
and we can watch them.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
You're like a bit of handball and some of them
more not minor sports. That's quite a bit.
Speaker 5 (36:21):
Sports canoeing, Oh yeah, absolutely one that I enjoy. But
you know what a gold medal is a gold medal, bok.
But if you win one and check and field, for me,
it's something differently.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Oh yeah, that would be amazing, I tell you what.
I think we'd go nuts over that. Anyway. It's ten
to four. This is the panel on News Talks. It'd
be on the Weekend Collective. We'll be back in just
a moment. He little help help friends, and welcome back
(36:53):
to this is the panel. I'm Tim Beverage on the
Weekend Collective and my guess Shane Tapoe and Leanne Watson
and last topic, we just got a couple of minutes.
But hey, Shaney, you're a big beat found because it's
sixty years since they since they came to New Zealand,
Landed and Wellington for the first and only New Zealand too.
They apparently only played thirty minutes for each show, but
(37:15):
I imagining for the fans that was enough. We probably
couldn't hear a thing anyway.
Speaker 5 (37:19):
That's why no know the Beatles average show was twenty
eight to thirty minutes. Even the famous Hollywood Bowl show
was only long.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (37:26):
Yeah, they played eight nine songs. A wonderful little story
that Don Lennon's auntie lived in New Zealand time. Yeah,
and they went in and visited him and spent about
an hour and a half of her in ringo with
him and ringo.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
That's a great little story. How surreal, isn't it, Leanne,
that you're popping into living to visit Auntie or something.
It's I mean, I don't think any of us were
around at that time. Of course, no, we weren't. What
was it sixty years?
Speaker 5 (37:56):
Yeah, it's incredible.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Yeah, Leanne, what did you were? You found of the
Beatles from time to time?
Speaker 1 (38:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Absolutely, think there's still battles on the playlist, and that's
actually really interesting. I'm just thinking about this when you
set the information through because actually so my kids, you know, so,
I often wonder whether or not we're going to see
if we think in another sixty years, who are going
to be talking about and we're going to have another Beatles?
Because we just don't seem to have that anymore. And
(38:27):
these guys have been around a very long time and
multiple generations.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
I think that's inesting question. Well, it's like we in
classical music, the Mozart and I'm still persisting, are there
are the Beatles going to be one of those bands
whose music will persist just through the ages? Who's your
favorite Beatle?
Speaker 5 (38:44):
Just quickly Don Lennon, you know he was the master
behind it. But I think Leann's got a point. And
I wrote a little piece that got a lot of controversy.
I think rock and rollers dying is dying, and it's
on it slast Well. You think about all the greats,
all the greats that are alive now, and there's sixties
and seventies and no seventies and eighties.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
I mean, those artists are dying in the music moves
on who's got a favorite beatle?
Speaker 1 (39:07):
There?
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Lion.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
She was going to say John too, but I think
I had the great fusure of going to often John
last year. And Ge I mean, I've been to lots
of concerts, but it was incredible. And I do often
think about I am a huge Cold Place fan and
people coming up to Aukland, and I'm also a huge
U two fan, and I think those both of ben
(39:33):
will tend a test of time. But there's not many
that I could count on one handed, you know.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Yeah, I go for George Harrison because I think two
is something in the way she moves. And also here
comes the son and I just anyway, Hey, thanks so much,
Le and I hope you've enjoyed yourself putting out with
us for an hour. And Shane, thanks for coming out you.
We'll catch you again soon. We'll be the Cheeth. Yeah,
the blues are all over them. Okay, we'll be back shortly.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
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