August 31, 2024 • 38 mins
Today on The Panel, Tim Beveridge is joined by Simon Wilson and Paul Spain to discuss the biggest stories from the week that was.
Paris Paralympics, potential scrapping of Auckland Transport, Comancheros arrests, Ginny Andersen's incorrect statistics, and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
You're listening to the Weekend Collective podcast from News Talks.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
It is time for the panel and my my my
first panelist, My first panelist, makes it sound like he
belongs to me, our first panelist. There is all of
ours now. Look I was trying to think of a
way to introduce him. But look at it this way.
If New Zealand Herald was Lord of the Rings, he'd
be Gandalf, and it is Simon Wilson. Is that a right?
Speaker 3 (00:32):
I will take that Gandalf on a bicycle. Yeah, magic bicycle.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
I hastened. Yes, indeed, I mean more Gandalf than Bilbo.
I think, thank you for that. But as I started
to explore the potential characters, there's there's a range.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Here's me sitting here thinking you're going to say Sarah.
I'm saying to myself, please don't say. Don't say Sarah.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Don't lost opportunity.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
I've got a lot to me to, you know, match
up to now, don't I? Well, no, I can't say
a silly thing.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Well, well.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Let's see how we go. And and we've got a
new guest as our second panelist. He's a futurist, the
CEO of Guerrilla Tech. He has a couple of podcasts,
including the New Zealand Tech podcast, and his name is
Paul Spain. Get a Paul Haw you going.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Yeah, good, nice to Nice to be joining for.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
The first time. Hey what were you thinking?
Speaker 4 (01:25):
I have no idea anyway.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Good to have you. So what's THEO? What's Gorilla Tech?
Speaker 5 (01:32):
We basically an organization that helps smaller to medium organizations
to get the maximum leverage out of technology whilst driving
down all those nask the risk cybersecurity and data privacy,
which is kind of hard to find for the smaller organizations.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Yeah. I was feeling a little embarrassed that we had
to set up a couple of extra mircs and things.
As you were coming in, I was thinking, Oh God,
are the tech guy's going to be thinking, oh goodness
me look at them or their tech.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
I actually thought you were going to ask me to
go and find it and plug them in because there's
people usually Oh there's a tech person in the room,
then they can do it all.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Well, if you had your black Roadie sort of T
shirt on, I would have been that's the guy for
the job. Okay, let's get into it. Haye. Look, there's
not a lot to talk about yet, because New Zealand's
currently in thirty third place. But the Paralympics have begun
and I always think it's a wonderful continuation of the
festival of Olympics sport and in my favorite city in
the world, Paris, Simon.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
I'm not sure what else there is to say. It
is a fantastic competition. It's so exciting, so many ways
continuing and in Paris, and I think Paris in the
Olympics are now in the Paralympics. It's just showing itself
off so well. Isn't it a wonderful, wonderful city of
culture and history and imagination and excitement.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Yeah, and of course there will be stories that come
out about different victories and efforts and stuff. But it
is quite humbling watching what people who've got some pretty
significant physical challenges can deliver as athletes. It's phenomenal, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
I think that's absolutely true. You sit there on you
ouch watching going what am I doing with my life?
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Paul?
Speaker 5 (03:10):
Yeah, Look, I'm really excited to see how it plays out.
It does seem that New Zealand, as always tends to
punch above our weight when we get into these sort
of global stages. So yeah, I'm really looking forward to seeing,
you know, what our power athletes achieve.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
I think we've got a way to go. Obviously, it
just says at the moment thirty third placement. It's very
early days. Actually, where do we end up in the Olympics.
I think we'll we're about twelve because it's the number
of something that wasn't it, which is pretty fun. It's
an interesting question.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
About the punching above the weight because you obviously you
want a factor in not only size, but also the
way in which each country's sports organizations address the Olympics
is a priority for them, and from New Zealand it
really is at the moment and that's why we do
so well. Are we doing as well as expected? I
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don't know the oubts to that.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Well, it's early days.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Well, I'm thinking about the main Olympics where we do
know the data, but in Paralympics, yes, it's fart really
to know.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Yeah, anyway, and of course you know Paris, My love
watching it just for the difference. It is a stunning
setting for all they're doing. I don't think they're going
to be I'm not sure if they're doing any swimming
in the seand though at this time I haven't missed
that's right, miss that headline. Okay, right, let's get into
the big stuff. We'll start with well, we will start
with you on this one, Simon, because you're I'm not
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sure if you're a fan of Auckland Transport. Winston Peters isn't.
He wants to scrap Auckland Transport. Says it's a failed
experiment without enough accountability to the people of Auckland. Does
he have a point?
Speaker 3 (04:38):
I think my view of Auckland Transport is a bit
of a curacy.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
It's got it ought.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
To be more accountable. It has a very bureaucratic structure.
It is less good at doing things than it ought
to be, particularly in terms of getting things done relatively quickly,
and it's often not good at consulting. It's in that
partly bound by the law about how it's supposed to.
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So you consult on something, you get things back, you
want to change the plan, you've got to reconsultant, and
on it goes. And that's just really really comes to
process that they are obliged to go through. But that
should change the really extraordinary thing about what Winston Peters
has done and what the Nuzumma First has done. They've
put this bill up so it'll be in the biscuit
to be drawn as a member's bill the government at
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the moment. I asked Simeon Brown, Transport Minister, about.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
This just this week.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
They are looking at what he called a range of
options for the future of Auckland Transport. I said to him,
is one of them bringing the policy functions into central government?
He said no, but they are looking at what he
called a range of options. He wouldn't say more, which
presumably theoretically could include following the whole thing into back
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into a welb Council. But I doubt very much is
going to go that far. But given that the Deputy
prime Minister's party has put up this private members bill
at a time when one of his in the cabinet
table has this work underway right now, it's a bit
of left hand and right hand and a little bit
of a slap with a hop card over the face
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of sim and Brown.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
If you ask me, well, all the other way if
they don't pick up Winston's bill, possibly, Look, I have
to be honest Paul that I'm just going to come
at this from a complete from a punter's point of view.
I loathe Auckland Transport. Everything I see going around the city.
I just there's just so many examples. I just go
bloody Auckland Transport, the speed limits getting ground down. You know,
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what do you what do you make of this? This
biscuit and Bill.
Speaker 5 (06:41):
Yes, scrap it, scrap what Bill scrap Auckland Transport and
let's let's start a free Who should?
Speaker 2 (06:49):
What should? Does he have a point about the lack
of sort of democratic accountability. I think that's a lot
of people's frustrations in a way. Although sometimes when councils
have control of things, it's not a good thing either,
is it.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
Look I mean, I think we don't engage very well
with councils as as as voters here there's always sort
of a low turnout, and you know, they do seem
to be too many layers of bureaucracy, and then you
know we don't always get the best results. I remember
last time I made quite an effort to engage with
Auckland Transport. Let's try out these trains, and the hop
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card system was such an absolute mess.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
When when was that?
Speaker 4 (07:28):
I mean probably that was going back maybe ten years.
So how's that relevant, Well, because it hasn't really got
much better.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
But you don't know that well.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
I do know that well.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
I know that I know about it too because I
use a hot card. I think the hop cards have
sped up with buses, get people getting on and off
the bus. They are reliable, that accurate, They're a really
efficient way of delivering the whole pay service thing. They
have upgraded there. Things that you swipe these days so
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that they're easier to read, got a big tech on
them now instead of a couple of things that you
know quite know what it means. I think that kind
of you're the tech guy, but I think that kind
of technology in our transport system we need more of it.
And I think it's it's one of the good things
the things they've done. Well, it's an integrated service right
across buses, trains and ferries. Although if you really wanted
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to be integrated. When I went to London, it's just here,
just use your credit card bingo and.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
You know what, it'll know which way you are. Just
just swipe that you're done for the day. And to
me it's like, well that's better why don't we do that.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
That's next stage. But that wasn't available to at when
they said on the hot card system. And there are
legal reasons for that. It's not their fault, but that's
the case. I think one of the problems of the
Auckland transport is that it's now in a bind of
whatever it does or doesn't do. And I said before,
there's lots of things I think it doesn't do well enough.
But whatever it does or doesn't do, there will be
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people who don't like it. So you make the buses
faster and more frequent and there for more efficient by
giving them dedicated lanes. You are taking car parks off
arterial roads to do that, you have to do it
that way, and that annoys people who want to park there,
so there's that problem. You slow the traffic down, particularly
around schools and shopping centers and busy areas, so that
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it is safer for pedestrians, and that's remember in Auckland,
and half the people who are killed or seriously engined
on our roads are not in a car hit by
a car. So if you slow the traffic down, you
make the roads safer. But you just said you don't
like it. When the speed limits alled, So you get
that problem well, and it goes on and on.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
I think that, yeah, there's probably a philosophical difference. I
think that we should make the roads safer by making
sure that people I mean encouraging safety, of course, and
trying not to step out in front of a car.
But it seems that we've gone down this thing is like,
let's have it so if you do step out in
front of a car, it's more of an even contest
with the pedestrian of the car. You might not get hurt.
And I sort of think we do have cars for
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getting around quicker, otherwise would all be walking in cyclinging.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
We treat and i'm when treat our roads. We treat
our roads as if we have as if we're in
small towns and there are not a lot of cars,
and we still have the same attitude to them, and
we shouldn't.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
I think there's a I think sometimes it just feels
it goes too far. And I'm pretty sure we got
the speed limits wrong in Auckland City. When regularly, if
I'm driving home and I get overtaken by a police
car that isn't even doing the speed limit, I sort
of think you know this part of the speed limit.
I don't know that's my thing, but that's that's got
some one of those dreadful motorists. Paul.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
Yeah, well you know I'm in that club too. Look,
you know, going back to the cards. You know, some
years ago there was I was given a bit of
technology to test out which was linked up with the
payment system they were using for transport in Wellington. That
was phenomenal. It worked well. I was given a smartphone
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that was linked into it. You could use it at
stores to buy things.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
It updated and please.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
It was absolutely superb and it looked like Auckland was
going that way, and then we went a different way.
And yeah, to the credit cards, I've experienced that same
thing Singapore. You know, you tap in and tap out
with your credit card. I've also gotten off the bus
and I think it's off a plane in Toronto, tried
to use the public transport and there's worked like Auckland,
which is when you go to say hey, how do
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I pay for this? They say, oh, you haven't got
a card and I'm like, no, I've just derived from
New Zealand, how would I do that? So you know,
there are models there that work maybe a bit better
for everybody.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Actually, funny enough that we were talking about the Paralympics
in Paris. I was still quite surprised that you have
to go up to the booth. That's quite expensive too,
and you put the money in, you get this little
card out, and it's sort of felt kind of old school.
Mind you, that's Paris for you. Anyway. Oh well, we're
off for a raw. That's all good. Look, while we're
on New Zealand. First, Shane Jones, who made his communist
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judge comment, Look, if I was to put on my
appropriateness hat and think about legal precedent and the way
ministers should ok, he shouldn't really use the sort of
language Paul. But there was also a part of it.
It was like, I'm not too bad, I'm not too
bothered about it. What did you think?
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Yeah, I mean it.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
It does seem out of line for what what what
we expect.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
And the way we think of communism in New Zealand.
Speaker 5 (12:21):
Right if he had just just said, look, you know,
big lefty, big writing whatever category that's a bit softer,
but communists here we kind of look back on the
worst of communism and you know, we we associate all
sorts of pretty nasty things with that with that word.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
I think the thing was that he was just making
a comment about the judge and sort of in a
judgment sense that maybe he just shouldn't do anyway. But
he's not. He's not really showing away from it. Is
the old chain.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
He's absolutely not showing away shying away from it. I mean,
on the one hand, I think it's appalling that he's
behaving like.
Speaker 6 (12:56):
That, and there a number of you love it.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
But the thing is, this is the reality of the
coalition we have now and the MMP system we have.
More generally, every single party has to play to its
base and keep them happy, and you see them all
doing that. So when Shane Jones says she's a communist judge,
he's not making a considered rational, important or useful comment
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in any way except what he's saying to his base
is I share your prejudices, so keep on voting for me.
And that's all he's doing. It's I don't think it's
helpful in government. I think I would love to think
we collectively could grow out of that if it said,
if it said she's just a socialist judge, even.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
That's not really okay given he's a minister, is it.
I mean, you really need to just need to he
said it was an adjective as a matter of fact,
thank you for our grammar lesson sort of thing. But
he really shouldn't. He should just say, well, probably as
little as possible, I guess, and Judith will probably have
a chat with him and like Shane, can you please
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not use them?
Speaker 3 (14:05):
We have in New Zealand with our judges. It's a
little bit like cricket with our umpires. Still we have
a relatively high standard of you don't attack them, and
not all countries have that by any means, and I
think it's worth trying to hold on to for as
long as we can. You know, I use the cricket analogy.
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You think about. One of the worst things in sport,
to my mind, is watching football players arguing with the referee.
You don't want that happening in any sport, and I
think it's the same in the judiciary. You don't want
politicians arguing with judges or having a guard them. It
just demeans and diminishes the separation and independence and strength
and integrity of both sides.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Good point, Simon that's why we've got the areas there
scandal and we've had a soar on moment almost anyway,
we'll be back in just a moment. This is the panel,
my guests, Simon Wilson and Paul Spain. Not a new
bea to broadcasting all but a new beat to the
Weekend Collective. We'll be back in just a moment. News
talks 'db and welcome back to the Weekend Collective. This
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is the panel and my guests Simon Wilson, who probably
needs no introduction, and Paul Spain, who may not need
one either, but he is a futurist and a tech guy. Actually,
is that the best way to the tech guy? I
don't know. That's probably a little a crude way to
describe it, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (15:26):
Paul.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Anyway, listen you can, I'll forgive it. Yeah, there we go.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Right.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Hey, look, I love a bit of positive news, and
I did think it was an extraordinary bit of news
when we heard that the entire Canterbary chapter of the
Common Cero's had been arrested. Obviously a lot of work
has gone and behind the scenes with the police. An
eighteen men aged between eighteen and fifty five arrested and
appeared in christ Church and Auckland on charges including participating
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in an organized criminal groups, conspiracy to supply methan, fetamine
and a conspiracy to supply cocaine. Just bravo to the police,
A Simon, nice to go, Bravo, bravo.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
I think you're absolutely right about that. This is very
good news, very good news for christ Church. And what
I'm really curious about now is what the police do,
because presumably they have a plan for this. There's now
a big vacuum in christ Church of cocaine and methamphetamine,
and I imagine a number of other criminal gangs are
going to be trying to rush to fill it, and
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so the police have to step up and try and
manage that too. Could be an opportunity for that, you
would think, so, yes, so all proud of them, Yeah, Paul.
Speaker 5 (16:30):
It kind of got me thinking around, you know, what tricks,
what technology were they using behind the scenes, right, Because
to get that many people, you've got to have some
pretty good surveillance, I would imagine, because I mean I
can't remember the last time, if ever, we've seen something
like this where you know, the entire gang for an
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area has been has been taken out.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
And because I think the general punter, we all imagine that,
you know, they've got some recordings of people, and there's
a bit of surveillance here and there, but the amount
of dotting of eyes and crossing of te's you would
have to have to arrest every single person. The amount
of work would be immense. It's not wouldn't just be like, oh,
we've got a pretty good hunch we've seen this guy
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talking to that guy. They're all guilty, let's go get them.
You would have to have tangible, solid evidence on every
single person. I just think it's it's I just think
the police have done an amazing job. It's incredible.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Aim you presume that all of those arrests are real
arrest that they're not just will just grab everyone in
the room, And that therefore means, well, you'd have to
have some evidence. Did you got to get them on
conspiracy or something like that. Don't You've got to get
everyone who was in the room when this plan was discussed.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Yeah, so good on them. Fingers. I mean asked to
how many convictions it leads to and when that actually happens, Well,
it's not going to be not going.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
To be over and it's a signal of intent, isn't it.
And that's that's great.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Speaking of just on the just why we're talking about
police things.
Speaker 6 (17:57):
I enjoyed the well did I enjoy it. I wasn't
sure what I.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Initially thought of it. But Ginny Anderson, who'd posted the
wrong foot patrol statistics when it looked like and Bennett
Collins from One News presented her with the evidence, and
she looked like a toddler who had been caught eating
a biscuit she shouldn't have and just simply denied it.
It's like, well, no, this is and she couldn't. I mean,
was there a way for her to back down? She
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was going with foot patrols have gone down, and it
looks like by all accounts they've gone up. Simon.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
It was a terribly embarrassing moment for her. And I
guess the thing about anyone who's caught completely wrong footed
like that, as you are going to spend a moment
or two looking like the toddlerho's tole in before you
recover your works and work out what else to do.
I think one of the things underlying this, though, is
that while it is now clear foot patrols have gone
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up around the country and that's a good thing in
itself now because it helps people on the streets and
retailers feel safer, and that's a good thing. But those
police have come from somewhere, and presumably some of them
at least have come from the thing that police spend
a lot of their time doing which they are now
pegging back, which is domestic final stoils.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Yeah. Still, nevertheless, it still feels like actually, just on
the politics side of things, Paul, I just wonder if
things like politicians never want to admit they're wrong, whereas
I'm wondering if times have changed that actually a bit
of a mayor culpa makes usually makes us just go, oh, well,
good on you. You've made a mistake and you've admitted it,
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and unfortunately you haven't got the headline you wanted from
this interview, but there we go. What do you reckon?
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Well?
Speaker 5 (19:39):
I think that that's what we should expect from leaders, right,
we expect them to be real and honest and straight up.
We all we all make mistakes and and look, you know,
social media has made it very easy for any of
us politicians included to you know, throw something up into
into you know, public view for discussion, and sometimes that's
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just done too quickly and they get the wrong results.
Sometimes you you definitely feel people are deliberately spinning things.
I don't know what the reality is here, but yeah,
I would have thought a simple apology probably would have
been the best course of action in this case.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
I think that's surprising about this is that it was
Ginny Anderson. I don't think she's a politician with a
reputation for putting her foot in her mouth.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
I think still recall she said something pretty nasty about
Mark Mitchell talking about killing people for living and stuff
where she came off very poorly.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
That is true too, But I think her generally within
the police portfolio, what she's advocated for she was the
police minister. Remember what she's argued with him about in
relation to police and generally has been pretty straight up.
This is a real.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Lat yeah clang, now look, actually, well we'll start We'll
start with you on this one. Paul so New Zealand
government on Monday they said they're going to pass laws
by the end of the year to reverse a band
on offshore oil and gas exploration. While we look well look,
if we could all get bar and renewables instantly right now. Fine.
But to me, I think most people would say that
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this is a pragmatic step that we simply have to
take given the hypocrisy of importing shiploads of Indonesian coal
and all that. Where are you where you with this
reversal of the band and oil and gas exploration?
Speaker 5 (21:21):
Yeah, look, I think this is probably the right move.
It's certainly not going to please everybody. But you know,
you talk to the to the coal situation, that's that's
been a real nightmare.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
You know.
Speaker 5 (21:34):
I heard that the situation where there's only a couple
of places they can actually get coal. You know that
that suits us for for energy here. So look, yep,
let's uh, let's do it. I'm not saying, you know,
we we completely flip things around, but I think the
direction that they're taking makes sense.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Actually, yes, we're going to come to you, okay, you know,
I'm going to come in as Sarah or Dandalf and
you can decide Richard which it is. It was interesting
the other look, I think it's a pragmatic step, but
it's interesting to see how well we are doing on
renewable projects. And I think we need to continue to
invest in that. It's just that I think we have
to be you know. I think part of the thing
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that's sort of I find well, I don't know what
my view is, but it's almost like, if only in
New Zealand, you get it right, we will solve all
the world's problems. When you know, the world has a
major challenge with the sorts of fuels we rely on,
and renewables are incredibly important. But I don't want to
find that we've got the situation where we can't generate
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the power we need as well.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
I think there is so much that's wrong about this
reversal of the ban on new oil and gas exploration.
The first one is linking it to the current crisis.
There is nothing in oil or gas exploration that will
alleviate the current crisis. It is if the exploration starts
up straight away, it will still be years before anything
comes on stream if they find anything, and there's no
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guarantee that that will happen. That's the first thing. The
second thing, because it's a long term strategic goal. Now
you've got to then ask the question, why would we
be like anyone else in the world expanding our fossil
fuels footprint. Why would you do that when we know
perfectly well that we have to reverse that trend at
some point. We've got the position.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
To do it now.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
And the reason we've got the position to do it
now is that we have in this country lots of
solar and lots of wind. We have wind farms consented
and ready to go, but they are not being built.
And the reason for that is that the gentailors, the
big power companies that have those consents, are incentivized to
pay dividends to their members rather than invest in the
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new technology and transfer that. And that's just an extraordinary thing.
And if you take the single element of it, solar,
New Zealand has something like one to two percent of
its energy generation from solar, the tiny amount Australia has
thirty to thirty five percent. Yes, Australia is a sunnier country,
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but Melbourne has thirty percent. Melbourne is not a sunnier
city than most New Zealand cities, and that's because they've
put solar on that ruse. If you fly into Auckland
or any of our cities and you look at those
enormous expenses of flat rus where the industrial sector are.
Why are they not covered in solar panels? Why has
that not being a national campaign? Do all that get
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those things going properly? We won't need we absolutely will
not need to have New Orlean gas.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
It's funny. I think Chris Hopkins made a remark though,
that there's something about there won't be the demand for gas,
so why they're doing it. I'm like, well, given that
you're calling for private investment, people don't like to lose money,
so obviously there is an anticipated demand for it, because
that's what they're lying on private investment to go and
explore for that poor.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
Yeah, look, it does seem to make sense. I'm an
ev driver.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
I like the fact that in New Zealand, you know,
we have a lot of renewable energy, but there is
a scenario here where things have to add up financial.
We've got to be able to afford to pay for
our electricity, and you know, at the moment we've got
some challenges. I'd imagine those are going to continue unless
we're address things.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Yeah, are you are you one hundred percent renewable guy?
You know, remember the I remember the vaguely the discussion
thing ninety five percent is really achievable. The next extra
five percent is heenously expensive. Where are you?
Speaker 3 (25:27):
I'm actually agnostic on that. I don't don't for a
second thing. I think that means we should expand our
or gas or our gas expiration or productivity. But I
am agnostic about the getting to the final hundred percent.
I think it's much more important to approach it the
other way around, saying how are we maximizing our renewables potential?
And that's what we should be focusing.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
The surprising thing when we had Andrew Bascandor from Harbar
Asset Management on our Money Show and he wanted to
talk about renewables and there are it is? It was
interesting to hear from him from the money point of view,
just talking about how much how well we are actually
doing on the renewables here was actually quite optimistic that
we're doing incredibly well. So that was was just interesting
to hear it from that sort of an analytical point
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of view.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Yeah, because it's so relatively cheap.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Now, Yeah, I heard, have you got soler?
Speaker 3 (26:13):
No?
Speaker 2 (26:13):
I haven't.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
No, I got a nice open go around a Simon.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Wouldn't it be funny to go to Simon's and he's like,
let me just get out and stake the fire, and
I do not have a fun.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
Heturg do we have the discussion about nuclear Oh.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
That to save that for another day. But that's exciting too,
would be exciting and scary a whole lot of things,
but we can't. With only twenty minutes to go, We're
probably going to touch on that one for this one,
but thank you, Paul. Twenty two minutes to four News
Talk sed B. Yes, welcome back to the Weekend Collective.
My panelist today. This is Simon Wilson and Paul Spain
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and guys, Actually, just before we get to the America's Cup,
the fines for misuse of mobility parking are set to
increase quite a lot. So at the moment, if you're
caught in a ability spot as one hundred and fifty bucks,
it's going to increase to seven hundred and fifty reflecting
the seriousness of this offense. Interesting that the story pops
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up because I was outraged during the middle of a
very busy time in my neighborhood in Saint heleyas this
car had pulled up and plopped itself in the mobility
park and for some reason, it really ground my gears
and I found myself going, look, there's no mobility past there.
That's just somebody's just popped themselves there. And I actually
took a photo of it, and I didn't shop them in,
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but I really sort of wish I had, because I
do think that it's one of the more crappy things
you can do to your neighbors, so to speak, if
your neighbor has happens to be disabled, that you parking
that spot, Simon, you're just supposed fine.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
I think this might be the first issue in the
history of media of any kind where there is no
other side. I don't think anybody's going to speak up
in opposition to this move to increase the fines for
this behavior. Are they, I mean, actually going to try
and defend it.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
I don't know. Paul, do you agree seven whacking it up?
Five hundred?
Speaker 4 (28:10):
I agree?
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Oh he's But.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
I have to I have to tell you about the
younger Paul Spain Market.
Speaker 5 (28:21):
See a row of seven empty slots near the front,
and think, if there's all these slots, surely if I
take the furthest one away, that's not offensive.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Now.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
I got slapped around for that and did you get.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Slaped around physically or no.
Speaker 5 (28:35):
No, just just in terms of people say Paul, no,
you do not you do not do that doesn't.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
Matter, good friend, that's not something you do.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Mate.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Actually you're not up for a seven hundred and fifty
dollar fine at wal westle count because that's private land.
But they might actually they might claim well they should could.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Yeah, there's another element to this which is not in
any way relating to defending the indefensible. But the government
led with the announcement that disability fine would go packing disability.
We've got in the phone for that, We've got What
they've actually done is raise the phones right across for
parking because for some extraordinary reason that is controlled by
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our parliament and not by Councilor twelve.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Dollar fine for parking over ten minutes or something, and.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
You're controlled by parliament, it is absolutely nuts. But the
actual parking fee there loophole, the pargon fee payers is
controlled by councilsel So counselors haven't been able to increase
their parking fees when they want to to the degree
they might have wanted to, because if the ratio between
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fee and fine isn't right, then people will just riskle Well, I.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Would say that a younger Tim Beverage at some stage thought,
instead of going into the Wilson's car park, I've just
gone tell you what I'll park here. I've I'll park
for pay for fifteen minutes. I'll use it for thirty
to forty five and if I get a twelve dollar fine,
that's a good deal. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
So you know, parking or old parking wardens the evil
people in our society. They actually do a great job out.
Their job is to keep traffic flowing, keep it functional,
make it possible for people who are coming into the
city and do need to park, make it relatively possible
for them to find one. And therefore phones fees in
phones should be a reasonable level, and parking meters should.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Be Actually, on that topic, I've actually encountered a parking
warden when they've given me a fine for something. And
I don't have any time for people who abuse people
who are doing their jobs. I just say I might
have even said fair cop. Well, one time I got
there before they opened the notepad and said, am I
in time? And he said you are just in time?
And I wear to laugh and all that, but I
hate people who abuse. You know you've parked there, somebody's
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giving you a ticket. Suck it up, princess. Any disagreement there,
we're all on the same page.
Speaker 5 (30:47):
The fees need to go up for that, but we
probably need more parks in someplaces.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Hang on here, let's do this ready, Simon. No, we
don't know. Yes we do. No, we don't, Yes we do,
Yes we do.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
How many minutes are we're going to go this?
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Look? I think that there's a happy medium somewhere, and
maybe it's in between your position and mine. But who knows. No,
we don't, yes it is. Hey, look I do. I
don't know about you, guys, but I was a little
bit mortified. I'm into the America's Cup because I wasn't
sure I would be, and I always have been quite
an America's Cup fan. And then I found out that
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all the all the the races are on YouTube, and
I went into the America's Cup website. And I love
the fact that we're in this innovative sailing nation and
I love watching the boats. And I was kind of
mortified that the imagine Grant Dalton would have the might
have been some few cross words when they dropped pretty
much dropped the boat. But they're going to get it
back on the water. But anyway, Paul, America's Cup, anything
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you love or hate about it, or you're sort of like,
you know.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
Oh look, I love the innovation that New Zealand is
just such as such a key part of it. You know,
we contribute to all of the all of the teams
and varying ways. You know, it's great for our economy
and it's something we've done very well at. So yeah,
I was pretty shocked when we saw the boat drop.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
That was that was not good.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
I would just love to have been a fly on
the wall because apparently Grant Dalton heard it. He wasn't
just to hear what was that explosion? Sounds simon I was.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
I once used to argue that the great thing about
the America's Cup was it was a major event in
this country, in the city of Auckland. And I'm a
great believer in events of all kinds, whether or not
I personally want to go to them. Now, cities need
big events. But of course that isn't relevant to the
America's Cup anymore and probably never will be. I think
the America's Cup is essentially a con because of that, And.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
I also can't who's con.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
We're meant to be far more interested in and engaged
in this thing than we than any rational person might be,
especially because we have the sal GP series boats get
up on foils now without the America's Cup, and it's
exciting racing all over the world in lots of different classes.
When what is the point of the cup?
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Still?
Speaker 6 (33:06):
I don't what it's match racing at its finest and
the finest vessels, with the finest cruise, with the finest technology,
with the finest sales, and these amazing craft that can
go in an eight knot wind about forty knots?
Speaker 2 (33:19):
And does it Is it more exciting than sol GP?
Speaker 5 (33:22):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (33:22):
I think sol GPS. I think they're both exciting. I
think it's it's a bit like saying do you prefer
a team sport? Like watch watching Swimbledon.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
I mean, I'm aware that it's probably like saying do
you want to watch Formula one or there? Or NASCAR?
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Good enough? Why didn't use that one? Actually? I do
want to say I was watching the other day and
I thought, so there was a maneuver where we have
this thing that America's Cup. Our team have high mode
where they can basically sell a little closer to the wind.
And I'm watching this race and Prata are beating us
and it's very close. And then we get into this
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close sailing situation where Tea New Zealand's just behind them,
and in the course of about thirty seconds, we had
a couple of tacks and they're talking about going to
high mode, boy high note, and all of a sudden
you just see us go past them with a couple
of moves, and the commentators it's like they're watching a
different race. I'm like, when are the commentators going to
acknowledge that we've just seen one of the most impressive
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overtakings of a top notch team simply because we've got
a different way of doing things. And eventually they said, oh,
and there's a league change. I was like, welcome to
the party, princess.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
It's a second as exciting as watching Alex Ye run
past Hayden Wild British without.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Any high tech. I didn't find that particularly exciting, you
know what I'm saying, But because they didn't notice the
right focusing anyway, let'sport a sport.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
And look, there is a tech angle to the America's
Cup is the.
Speaker 5 (34:51):
Last campaign team New Zealand poured away nearly five percent
of their budget on a cyber scam. So there's been
a good, good lesson in there. Yeah, so they got
a they got an email in that said we want
you to pay this bill into a different bank account.
And unfortunately they hadn't been trained internally, so they said, sure,
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we'll send the money wherever you like.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
And they said they have.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
The finest tech mines available to them working around the clank.
Speaker 5 (35:17):
I guess not not not on the occuruncy.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Computers funny on that without using any names. And we
have all these we have these tech things we have
to do. You have to do a tech update on
cybersecurity every month or so. You get this thing, tim
you haven't done your text thing. You've got to go
click through. And I just went on logged and went
to go log onto my email, and I have I
opened the email of someone else because I said I
want to get into my email, and it opened into
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the email of this particular host who probably wouldn't want
me to go through. That person's no gender specifically assigned.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
So you're just going to guess that I was not
doing those security checks.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
And you know how good was I thought? Just don't
look Tim, even though I was like, oh, there's an
email from such and such things.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
See the halo around his head at the moment.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Anyway, there we go. I won me to need their names.
Of course, though no I wa' referred to it.
Speaker 5 (36:09):
Is sent an email from that account to all staff saying,
my shout for lunch on Monday.
Speaker 4 (36:15):
That's what happened.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Like the guy in those modules, now, I should have
sent an email from him to the boss saying I
listen to Tim Beverage the other day. God, he's good.
We'll be back in just a moment. Nine minutes two
four News talks. He'd be Y's welcome back to the
Weekend Collective, my panelist Simon Wilson and Paul Spain just quickly, guys,
I have found myself not that interested in the All
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Blacks until now. I am quite interested in our game
in South Africa.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
Simon, well, I'm interested in it as well. Although I'm
fearfully interested. It's going to be really, really hard game
for the Oblacks to win.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
And I think just because my expectations are that we
could easily lose and I'm not expecting to win, then
I'm really going to enjoy because I'm not. You know,
the worst thing is when you're expect them to win,
You're like, what do you mean you're losing, Paul, Yeah,
I've been.
Speaker 5 (37:04):
My My confidence has certainly dampened. What they're number three
in the world at the moment. They know, they're just
not winning as consistently as they should and or as
we expect, and yeah, how they're going to do in
South Africa.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
I think it's a flip of a coin.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
What's exciting about this game is that both teams now
subscribed to the idea that you need really big, tough
forwards who are going to go very hard at each
other and really adventurous backs who are going to do
great things off the back of that. And because they
both subscribe to that, it ought to be a really
thrilling game.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Just reminds me of those days when we're before sky
and all that sort of thing with a little kid
getting up in the middle of the night and with
the whole family and the hot chocolates and watching watching.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
I'm not gidding, I'm not staying up for getting it.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
I'm not getting up. Goodness. I just remember the days
when choice we had. Hey, guys, thank you so much
for coming on. Simons and Paul Spain hasn't been too bad.
Simon hasn't been too mean to you, has Paul.
Speaker 4 (38:01):
No, he didn't throw any punches. So you know I
was going to have.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
Till thirty seconds right, you will not pass.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
That's the line, isn't it. Yeah, when do we get
to them thou shalt not pass? We haven't quite got that.
That's next episode. Okay, thanks, thanks Simon, thanks for forming on.
We'll be back with the Wonder If Property Right Radio
show Helen No Sullivan is join joining us is now
the time to buy? Will be one of the questions
we'll explore with Helen. It is. Come up to the
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
It is time for the panel and my my my
first panelist, My first panelist, makes it sound like he
belongs to me, our first panelist. There is all of
ours now. Look I was trying to think of a
way to introduce him. But look at it this way.
If New Zealand Herald was Lord of the Rings, he'd
be Gandalf, and it is Simon Wilson. Is that a right?
Speaker 3 (00:32):
I will take that Gandalf on a bicycle. Yeah, magic bicycle.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
I hastened. Yes, indeed, I mean more Gandalf than Bilbo.
I think, thank you for that. But as I started
to explore the potential characters, there's there's a range.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Here's me sitting here thinking you're going to say Sarah.
I'm saying to myself, please don't say. Don't say Sarah.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Don't lost opportunity.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
I've got a lot to me to, you know, match
up to now, don't I? Well, no, I can't say
a silly thing.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Well, well.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Let's see how we go. And and we've got a
new guest as our second panelist. He's a futurist, the
CEO of Guerrilla Tech. He has a couple of podcasts,
including the New Zealand Tech podcast, and his name is
Paul Spain. Get a Paul Haw you going.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Yeah, good, nice to Nice to be joining for.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
The first time. Hey what were you thinking?
Speaker 4 (01:25):
I have no idea anyway.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Good to have you. So what's THEO? What's Gorilla Tech?
Speaker 5 (01:32):
We basically an organization that helps smaller to medium organizations
to get the maximum leverage out of technology whilst driving
down all those nask the risk cybersecurity and data privacy,
which is kind of hard to find for the smaller organizations.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Yeah. I was feeling a little embarrassed that we had
to set up a couple of extra mircs and things.
As you were coming in, I was thinking, Oh God,
are the tech guy's going to be thinking, oh goodness
me look at them or their tech.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
I actually thought you were going to ask me to
go and find it and plug them in because there's
people usually Oh there's a tech person in the room,
then they can do it all.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Well, if you had your black Roadie sort of T
shirt on, I would have been that's the guy for
the job. Okay, let's get into it. Haye. Look, there's
not a lot to talk about yet, because New Zealand's
currently in thirty third place. But the Paralympics have begun
and I always think it's a wonderful continuation of the
festival of Olympics sport and in my favorite city in
the world, Paris, Simon.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
I'm not sure what else there is to say. It
is a fantastic competition. It's so exciting, so many ways
continuing and in Paris, and I think Paris in the
Olympics are now in the Paralympics. It's just showing itself
off so well. Isn't it a wonderful, wonderful city of
culture and history and imagination and excitement.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Yeah, and of course there will be stories that come
out about different victories and efforts and stuff. But it
is quite humbling watching what people who've got some pretty
significant physical challenges can deliver as athletes. It's phenomenal, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
I think that's absolutely true. You sit there on you
ouch watching going what am I doing with my life?
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Paul?
Speaker 5 (03:10):
Yeah, Look, I'm really excited to see how it plays out.
It does seem that New Zealand, as always tends to
punch above our weight when we get into these sort
of global stages. So yeah, I'm really looking forward to seeing,
you know, what our power athletes achieve.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
I think we've got a way to go. Obviously, it
just says at the moment thirty third placement. It's very
early days. Actually, where do we end up in the Olympics.
I think we'll we're about twelve because it's the number
of something that wasn't it, which is pretty fun. It's
an interesting question.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
About the punching above the weight because you obviously you
want a factor in not only size, but also the
way in which each country's sports organizations address the Olympics
is a priority for them, and from New Zealand it
really is at the moment and that's why we do
so well. Are we doing as well as expected? I
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don't know the oubts to that.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Well, it's early days.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Well, I'm thinking about the main Olympics where we do
know the data, but in Paralympics, yes, it's fart really
to know.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Yeah, anyway, and of course you know Paris, My love
watching it just for the difference. It is a stunning
setting for all they're doing. I don't think they're going
to be I'm not sure if they're doing any swimming
in the seand though at this time I haven't missed
that's right, miss that headline. Okay, right, let's get into
the big stuff. We'll start with well, we will start
with you on this one, Simon, because you're I'm not
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sure if you're a fan of Auckland Transport. Winston Peters isn't.
He wants to scrap Auckland Transport. Says it's a failed
experiment without enough accountability to the people of Auckland. Does
he have a point?
Speaker 3 (04:38):
I think my view of Auckland Transport is a bit
of a curacy.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
It's got it ought.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
To be more accountable. It has a very bureaucratic structure.
It is less good at doing things than it ought
to be, particularly in terms of getting things done relatively quickly,
and it's often not good at consulting. It's in that
partly bound by the law about how it's supposed to.
(05:05):
So you consult on something, you get things back, you
want to change the plan, you've got to reconsultant, and
on it goes. And that's just really really comes to
process that they are obliged to go through. But that
should change the really extraordinary thing about what Winston Peters
has done and what the Nuzumma First has done. They've
put this bill up so it'll be in the biscuit
to be drawn as a member's bill the government at
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the moment. I asked Simeon Brown, Transport Minister, about.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
This just this week.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
They are looking at what he called a range of
options for the future of Auckland Transport. I said to him,
is one of them bringing the policy functions into central government?
He said no, but they are looking at what he
called a range of options. He wouldn't say more, which
presumably theoretically could include following the whole thing into back
(05:54):
into a welb Council. But I doubt very much is
going to go that far. But given that the Deputy
prime Minister's party has put up this private members bill
at a time when one of his in the cabinet
table has this work underway right now, it's a bit
of left hand and right hand and a little bit
of a slap with a hop card over the face
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of sim and Brown.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
If you ask me, well, all the other way if
they don't pick up Winston's bill, possibly, Look, I have
to be honest Paul that I'm just going to come
at this from a complete from a punter's point of view.
I loathe Auckland Transport. Everything I see going around the city.
I just there's just so many examples. I just go
bloody Auckland Transport, the speed limits getting ground down. You know,
(06:37):
what do you what do you make of this? This
biscuit and Bill.
Speaker 5 (06:41):
Yes, scrap it, scrap what Bill scrap Auckland Transport and
let's let's start a free Who should?
Speaker 2 (06:49):
What should? Does he have a point about the lack
of sort of democratic accountability. I think that's a lot
of people's frustrations in a way. Although sometimes when councils
have control of things, it's not a good thing either,
is it.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
Look I mean, I think we don't engage very well
with councils as as as voters here there's always sort
of a low turnout, and you know, they do seem
to be too many layers of bureaucracy, and then you
know we don't always get the best results. I remember
last time I made quite an effort to engage with
Auckland Transport. Let's try out these trains, and the hop
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card system was such an absolute mess.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
When when was that?
Speaker 4 (07:28):
I mean probably that was going back maybe ten years.
So how's that relevant, Well, because it hasn't really got
much better.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
But you don't know that well.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
I do know that well.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
I know that I know about it too because I
use a hot card. I think the hop cards have
sped up with buses, get people getting on and off
the bus. They are reliable, that accurate, They're a really
efficient way of delivering the whole pay service thing. They
have upgraded there. Things that you swipe these days so
(08:00):
that they're easier to read, got a big tech on
them now instead of a couple of things that you
know quite know what it means. I think that kind
of you're the tech guy, but I think that kind
of technology in our transport system we need more of it.
And I think it's it's one of the good things
the things they've done. Well, it's an integrated service right
across buses, trains and ferries. Although if you really wanted
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to be integrated. When I went to London, it's just here,
just use your credit card bingo and.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
You know what, it'll know which way you are. Just
just swipe that you're done for the day. And to
me it's like, well that's better why don't we do that.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
That's next stage. But that wasn't available to at when
they said on the hot card system. And there are
legal reasons for that. It's not their fault, but that's
the case. I think one of the problems of the
Auckland transport is that it's now in a bind of
whatever it does or doesn't do. And I said before,
there's lots of things I think it doesn't do well enough.
But whatever it does or doesn't do, there will be
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people who don't like it. So you make the buses
faster and more frequent and there for more efficient by
giving them dedicated lanes. You are taking car parks off
arterial roads to do that, you have to do it
that way, and that annoys people who want to park there,
so there's that problem. You slow the traffic down, particularly
around schools and shopping centers and busy areas, so that
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it is safer for pedestrians, and that's remember in Auckland,
and half the people who are killed or seriously engined
on our roads are not in a car hit by
a car. So if you slow the traffic down, you
make the roads safer. But you just said you don't
like it. When the speed limits alled, So you get
that problem well, and it goes on and on.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
I think that, yeah, there's probably a philosophical difference. I
think that we should make the roads safer by making
sure that people I mean encouraging safety, of course, and
trying not to step out in front of a car.
But it seems that we've gone down this thing is like,
let's have it so if you do step out in
front of a car, it's more of an even contest
with the pedestrian of the car. You might not get hurt.
And I sort of think we do have cars for
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getting around quicker, otherwise would all be walking in cyclinging.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
We treat and i'm when treat our roads. We treat
our roads as if we have as if we're in
small towns and there are not a lot of cars,
and we still have the same attitude to them, and
we shouldn't.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
I think there's a I think sometimes it just feels
it goes too far. And I'm pretty sure we got
the speed limits wrong in Auckland City. When regularly, if
I'm driving home and I get overtaken by a police
car that isn't even doing the speed limit, I sort
of think you know this part of the speed limit.
I don't know that's my thing, but that's that's got
some one of those dreadful motorists. Paul.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
Yeah, well you know I'm in that club too. Look,
you know, going back to the cards. You know, some
years ago there was I was given a bit of
technology to test out which was linked up with the
payment system they were using for transport in Wellington. That
was phenomenal. It worked well. I was given a smartphone
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that was linked into it. You could use it at
stores to buy things.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
It updated and please.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
It was absolutely superb and it looked like Auckland was
going that way, and then we went a different way.
And yeah, to the credit cards, I've experienced that same
thing Singapore. You know, you tap in and tap out
with your credit card. I've also gotten off the bus
and I think it's off a plane in Toronto, tried
to use the public transport and there's worked like Auckland,
which is when you go to say hey, how do
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I pay for this? They say, oh, you haven't got
a card and I'm like, no, I've just derived from
New Zealand, how would I do that? So you know,
there are models there that work maybe a bit better
for everybody.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Actually, funny enough that we were talking about the Paralympics
in Paris. I was still quite surprised that you have
to go up to the booth. That's quite expensive too,
and you put the money in, you get this little
card out, and it's sort of felt kind of old school.
Mind you, that's Paris for you. Anyway. Oh well, we're
off for a raw. That's all good. Look, while we're
on New Zealand. First, Shane Jones, who made his communist
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judge comment, Look, if I was to put on my
appropriateness hat and think about legal precedent and the way
ministers should ok, he shouldn't really use the sort of
language Paul. But there was also a part of it.
It was like, I'm not too bad, I'm not too
bothered about it. What did you think?
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Yeah, I mean it.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
It does seem out of line for what what what
we expect.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
And the way we think of communism in New Zealand.
Speaker 5 (12:21):
Right if he had just just said, look, you know,
big lefty, big writing whatever category that's a bit softer,
but communists here we kind of look back on the
worst of communism and you know, we we associate all
sorts of pretty nasty things with that with that word.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
I think the thing was that he was just making
a comment about the judge and sort of in a
judgment sense that maybe he just shouldn't do anyway. But
he's not. He's not really showing away from it. Is
the old chain.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
He's absolutely not showing away shying away from it. I mean,
on the one hand, I think it's appalling that he's
behaving like.
Speaker 6 (12:56):
That, and there a number of you love it.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
But the thing is, this is the reality of the
coalition we have now and the MMP system we have.
More generally, every single party has to play to its
base and keep them happy, and you see them all
doing that. So when Shane Jones says she's a communist judge,
he's not making a considered rational, important or useful comment
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in any way except what he's saying to his base
is I share your prejudices, so keep on voting for me.
And that's all he's doing. It's I don't think it's
helpful in government. I think I would love to think
we collectively could grow out of that if it said,
if it said she's just a socialist judge, even.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
That's not really okay given he's a minister, is it.
I mean, you really need to just need to he
said it was an adjective as a matter of fact,
thank you for our grammar lesson sort of thing. But
he really shouldn't. He should just say, well, probably as
little as possible, I guess, and Judith will probably have
a chat with him and like Shane, can you please
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not use them?
Speaker 3 (14:05):
We have in New Zealand with our judges. It's a
little bit like cricket with our umpires. Still we have
a relatively high standard of you don't attack them, and
not all countries have that by any means, and I
think it's worth trying to hold on to for as
long as we can. You know, I use the cricket analogy.
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You think about. One of the worst things in sport,
to my mind, is watching football players arguing with the referee.
You don't want that happening in any sport, and I
think it's the same in the judiciary. You don't want
politicians arguing with judges or having a guard them. It
just demeans and diminishes the separation and independence and strength
and integrity of both sides.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Good point, Simon that's why we've got the areas there
scandal and we've had a soar on moment almost anyway,
we'll be back in just a moment. This is the panel,
my guests, Simon Wilson and Paul Spain. Not a new
bea to broadcasting all but a new beat to the
Weekend Collective. We'll be back in just a moment. News
talks 'db and welcome back to the Weekend Collective. This
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is the panel and my guests Simon Wilson, who probably
needs no introduction, and Paul Spain, who may not need
one either, but he is a futurist and a tech guy. Actually,
is that the best way to the tech guy? I
don't know. That's probably a little a crude way to
describe it, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (15:26):
Paul.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Anyway, listen you can, I'll forgive it. Yeah, there we go.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Right.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Hey, look, I love a bit of positive news, and
I did think it was an extraordinary bit of news
when we heard that the entire Canterbary chapter of the
Common Cero's had been arrested. Obviously a lot of work
has gone and behind the scenes with the police. An
eighteen men aged between eighteen and fifty five arrested and
appeared in christ Church and Auckland on charges including participating
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in an organized criminal groups, conspiracy to supply methan, fetamine
and a conspiracy to supply cocaine. Just bravo to the police,
A Simon, nice to go, Bravo, bravo.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
I think you're absolutely right about that. This is very
good news, very good news for christ Church. And what
I'm really curious about now is what the police do,
because presumably they have a plan for this. There's now
a big vacuum in christ Church of cocaine and methamphetamine,
and I imagine a number of other criminal gangs are
going to be trying to rush to fill it, and
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so the police have to step up and try and
manage that too. Could be an opportunity for that, you
would think, so, yes, so all proud of them, Yeah, Paul.
Speaker 5 (16:30):
It kind of got me thinking around, you know, what tricks,
what technology were they using behind the scenes, right, Because
to get that many people, you've got to have some
pretty good surveillance, I would imagine, because I mean I
can't remember the last time, if ever, we've seen something
like this where you know, the entire gang for an
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area has been has been taken out.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
And because I think the general punter, we all imagine that,
you know, they've got some recordings of people, and there's
a bit of surveillance here and there, but the amount
of dotting of eyes and crossing of te's you would
have to have to arrest every single person. The amount
of work would be immense. It's not wouldn't just be like, oh,
we've got a pretty good hunch we've seen this guy
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talking to that guy. They're all guilty, let's go get them.
You would have to have tangible, solid evidence on every
single person. I just think it's it's I just think
the police have done an amazing job. It's incredible.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Aim you presume that all of those arrests are real
arrest that they're not just will just grab everyone in
the room, And that therefore means, well, you'd have to
have some evidence. Did you got to get them on
conspiracy or something like that. Don't You've got to get
everyone who was in the room when this plan was discussed.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Yeah, so good on them. Fingers. I mean asked to
how many convictions it leads to and when that actually happens, Well,
it's not going to be not going.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
To be over and it's a signal of intent, isn't it.
And that's that's great.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Speaking of just on the just why we're talking about
police things.
Speaker 6 (17:57):
I enjoyed the well did I enjoy it. I wasn't
sure what I.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Initially thought of it. But Ginny Anderson, who'd posted the
wrong foot patrol statistics when it looked like and Bennett
Collins from One News presented her with the evidence, and
she looked like a toddler who had been caught eating
a biscuit she shouldn't have and just simply denied it.
It's like, well, no, this is and she couldn't. I mean,
was there a way for her to back down? She
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was going with foot patrols have gone down, and it
looks like by all accounts they've gone up. Simon.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
It was a terribly embarrassing moment for her. And I
guess the thing about anyone who's caught completely wrong footed
like that, as you are going to spend a moment
or two looking like the toddlerho's tole in before you
recover your works and work out what else to do.
I think one of the things underlying this, though, is
that while it is now clear foot patrols have gone
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up around the country and that's a good thing in
itself now because it helps people on the streets and
retailers feel safer, and that's a good thing. But those
police have come from somewhere, and presumably some of them
at least have come from the thing that police spend
a lot of their time doing which they are now
pegging back, which is domestic final stoils.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Yeah. Still, nevertheless, it still feels like actually, just on
the politics side of things, Paul, I just wonder if
things like politicians never want to admit they're wrong, whereas
I'm wondering if times have changed that actually a bit
of a mayor culpa makes usually makes us just go, oh, well,
good on you. You've made a mistake and you've admitted it,
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and unfortunately you haven't got the headline you wanted from
this interview, but there we go. What do you reckon?
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Well?
Speaker 5 (19:39):
I think that that's what we should expect from leaders, right,
we expect them to be real and honest and straight up.
We all we all make mistakes and and look, you know,
social media has made it very easy for any of
us politicians included to you know, throw something up into
into you know, public view for discussion, and sometimes that's
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just done too quickly and they get the wrong results.
Sometimes you you definitely feel people are deliberately spinning things.
I don't know what the reality is here, but yeah,
I would have thought a simple apology probably would have
been the best course of action in this case.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
I think that's surprising about this is that it was
Ginny Anderson. I don't think she's a politician with a
reputation for putting her foot in her mouth.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
I think still recall she said something pretty nasty about
Mark Mitchell talking about killing people for living and stuff
where she came off very poorly.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
That is true too, But I think her generally within
the police portfolio, what she's advocated for she was the
police minister. Remember what she's argued with him about in
relation to police and generally has been pretty straight up.
This is a real.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Lat yeah clang, now look, actually, well we'll start We'll
start with you on this one. Paul so New Zealand
government on Monday they said they're going to pass laws
by the end of the year to reverse a band
on offshore oil and gas exploration. While we look well look,
if we could all get bar and renewables instantly right now. Fine.
But to me, I think most people would say that
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this is a pragmatic step that we simply have to
take given the hypocrisy of importing shiploads of Indonesian coal
and all that. Where are you where you with this
reversal of the band and oil and gas exploration?
Speaker 5 (21:21):
Yeah, look, I think this is probably the right move.
It's certainly not going to please everybody. But you know,
you talk to the to the coal situation, that's that's
been a real nightmare.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
You know.
Speaker 5 (21:34):
I heard that the situation where there's only a couple
of places they can actually get coal. You know that
that suits us for for energy here. So look, yep,
let's uh, let's do it. I'm not saying, you know,
we we completely flip things around, but I think the
direction that they're taking makes sense.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Actually, yes, we're going to come to you, okay, you know,
I'm going to come in as Sarah or Dandalf and
you can decide Richard which it is. It was interesting
the other look, I think it's a pragmatic step, but
it's interesting to see how well we are doing on
renewable projects. And I think we need to continue to
invest in that. It's just that I think we have
to be you know. I think part of the thing
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that's sort of I find well, I don't know what
my view is, but it's almost like, if only in
New Zealand, you get it right, we will solve all
the world's problems. When you know, the world has a
major challenge with the sorts of fuels we rely on,
and renewables are incredibly important. But I don't want to
find that we've got the situation where we can't generate
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the power we need as well.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
I think there is so much that's wrong about this
reversal of the ban on new oil and gas exploration.
The first one is linking it to the current crisis.
There is nothing in oil or gas exploration that will
alleviate the current crisis. It is if the exploration starts
up straight away, it will still be years before anything
comes on stream if they find anything, and there's no
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guarantee that that will happen. That's the first thing. The
second thing, because it's a long term strategic goal. Now
you've got to then ask the question, why would we
be like anyone else in the world expanding our fossil
fuels footprint. Why would you do that when we know
perfectly well that we have to reverse that trend at
some point. We've got the position.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
To do it now.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
And the reason we've got the position to do it
now is that we have in this country lots of
solar and lots of wind. We have wind farms consented
and ready to go, but they are not being built.
And the reason for that is that the gentailors, the
big power companies that have those consents, are incentivized to
pay dividends to their members rather than invest in the
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new technology and transfer that. And that's just an extraordinary thing.
And if you take the single element of it, solar,
New Zealand has something like one to two percent of
its energy generation from solar, the tiny amount Australia has
thirty to thirty five percent. Yes, Australia is a sunnier country,
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but Melbourne has thirty percent. Melbourne is not a sunnier
city than most New Zealand cities, and that's because they've
put solar on that ruse. If you fly into Auckland
or any of our cities and you look at those
enormous expenses of flat rus where the industrial sector are.
Why are they not covered in solar panels? Why has
that not being a national campaign? Do all that get
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those things going properly? We won't need we absolutely will
not need to have New Orlean gas.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
It's funny. I think Chris Hopkins made a remark though,
that there's something about there won't be the demand for gas,
so why they're doing it. I'm like, well, given that
you're calling for private investment, people don't like to lose money,
so obviously there is an anticipated demand for it, because
that's what they're lying on private investment to go and
explore for that poor.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
Yeah, look, it does seem to make sense. I'm an
ev driver.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
I like the fact that in New Zealand, you know,
we have a lot of renewable energy, but there is
a scenario here where things have to add up financial.
We've got to be able to afford to pay for
our electricity, and you know, at the moment we've got
some challenges. I'd imagine those are going to continue unless
we're address things.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Yeah, are you are you one hundred percent renewable guy?
You know, remember the I remember the vaguely the discussion
thing ninety five percent is really achievable. The next extra
five percent is heenously expensive. Where are you?
Speaker 3 (25:27):
I'm actually agnostic on that. I don't don't for a
second thing. I think that means we should expand our
or gas or our gas expiration or productivity. But I
am agnostic about the getting to the final hundred percent.
I think it's much more important to approach it the
other way around, saying how are we maximizing our renewables potential?
And that's what we should be focusing.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
The surprising thing when we had Andrew Bascandor from Harbar
Asset Management on our Money Show and he wanted to
talk about renewables and there are it is? It was
interesting to hear from him from the money point of view,
just talking about how much how well we are actually
doing on the renewables here was actually quite optimistic that
we're doing incredibly well. So that was was just interesting
to hear it from that sort of an analytical point
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of view.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Yeah, because it's so relatively cheap.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Now, Yeah, I heard, have you got soler?
Speaker 3 (26:13):
No?
Speaker 2 (26:13):
I haven't.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
No, I got a nice open go around a Simon.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Wouldn't it be funny to go to Simon's and he's like,
let me just get out and stake the fire, and
I do not have a fun.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
Heturg do we have the discussion about nuclear Oh.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
That to save that for another day. But that's exciting too,
would be exciting and scary a whole lot of things,
but we can't. With only twenty minutes to go, We're
probably going to touch on that one for this one,
but thank you, Paul. Twenty two minutes to four News
Talk sed B. Yes, welcome back to the Weekend Collective.
My panelist today. This is Simon Wilson and Paul Spain
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and guys, Actually, just before we get to the America's Cup,
the fines for misuse of mobility parking are set to
increase quite a lot. So at the moment, if you're
caught in a ability spot as one hundred and fifty bucks,
it's going to increase to seven hundred and fifty reflecting
the seriousness of this offense. Interesting that the story pops
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up because I was outraged during the middle of a
very busy time in my neighborhood in Saint heleyas this
car had pulled up and plopped itself in the mobility
park and for some reason, it really ground my gears
and I found myself going, look, there's no mobility past there.
That's just somebody's just popped themselves there. And I actually
took a photo of it, and I didn't shop them in,
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but I really sort of wish I had, because I
do think that it's one of the more crappy things
you can do to your neighbors, so to speak, if
your neighbor has happens to be disabled, that you parking
that spot, Simon, you're just supposed fine.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
I think this might be the first issue in the
history of media of any kind where there is no
other side. I don't think anybody's going to speak up
in opposition to this move to increase the fines for
this behavior. Are they, I mean, actually going to try
and defend it.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
I don't know. Paul, do you agree seven whacking it up?
Five hundred?
Speaker 4 (28:10):
I agree?
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Oh he's But.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
I have to I have to tell you about the
younger Paul Spain Market.
Speaker 5 (28:21):
See a row of seven empty slots near the front,
and think, if there's all these slots, surely if I
take the furthest one away, that's not offensive.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Now.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
I got slapped around for that and did you get.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Slaped around physically or no.
Speaker 5 (28:35):
No, just just in terms of people say Paul, no,
you do not you do not do that doesn't.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
Matter, good friend, that's not something you do.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Mate.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Actually you're not up for a seven hundred and fifty
dollar fine at wal westle count because that's private land.
But they might actually they might claim well they should could.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Yeah, there's another element to this which is not in
any way relating to defending the indefensible. But the government
led with the announcement that disability fine would go packing disability.
We've got in the phone for that, We've got What
they've actually done is raise the phones right across for
parking because for some extraordinary reason that is controlled by
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our parliament and not by Councilor twelve.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Dollar fine for parking over ten minutes or something, and.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
You're controlled by parliament, it is absolutely nuts. But the
actual parking fee there loophole, the pargon fee payers is
controlled by councilsel So counselors haven't been able to increase
their parking fees when they want to to the degree
they might have wanted to, because if the ratio between
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fee and fine isn't right, then people will just riskle Well, I.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Would say that a younger Tim Beverage at some stage thought,
instead of going into the Wilson's car park, I've just
gone tell you what I'll park here. I've I'll park
for pay for fifteen minutes. I'll use it for thirty
to forty five and if I get a twelve dollar fine,
that's a good deal. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
So you know, parking or old parking wardens the evil
people in our society. They actually do a great job out.
Their job is to keep traffic flowing, keep it functional,
make it possible for people who are coming into the
city and do need to park, make it relatively possible
for them to find one. And therefore phones fees in
phones should be a reasonable level, and parking meters should.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Be Actually, on that topic, I've actually encountered a parking
warden when they've given me a fine for something. And
I don't have any time for people who abuse people
who are doing their jobs. I just say I might
have even said fair cop. Well, one time I got
there before they opened the notepad and said, am I
in time? And he said you are just in time?
And I wear to laugh and all that, but I
hate people who abuse. You know you've parked there, somebody's
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giving you a ticket. Suck it up, princess. Any disagreement there,
we're all on the same page.
Speaker 5 (30:47):
The fees need to go up for that, but we
probably need more parks in someplaces.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Hang on here, let's do this ready, Simon. No, we
don't know. Yes we do. No, we don't, Yes we do,
Yes we do.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
How many minutes are we're going to go this?
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Look? I think that there's a happy medium somewhere, and
maybe it's in between your position and mine. But who knows. No,
we don't, yes it is. Hey, look I do. I
don't know about you, guys, but I was a little
bit mortified. I'm into the America's Cup because I wasn't
sure I would be, and I always have been quite
an America's Cup fan. And then I found out that
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all the all the the races are on YouTube, and
I went into the America's Cup website. And I love
the fact that we're in this innovative sailing nation and
I love watching the boats. And I was kind of
mortified that the imagine Grant Dalton would have the might
have been some few cross words when they dropped pretty
much dropped the boat. But they're going to get it
back on the water. But anyway, Paul, America's Cup, anything
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you love or hate about it, or you're sort of like,
you know.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
Oh look, I love the innovation that New Zealand is
just such as such a key part of it. You know,
we contribute to all of the all of the teams
and varying ways. You know, it's great for our economy
and it's something we've done very well at. So yeah,
I was pretty shocked when we saw the boat drop.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
That was that was not good.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
I would just love to have been a fly on
the wall because apparently Grant Dalton heard it. He wasn't
just to hear what was that explosion? Sounds simon I was.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
I once used to argue that the great thing about
the America's Cup was it was a major event in
this country, in the city of Auckland. And I'm a
great believer in events of all kinds, whether or not
I personally want to go to them. Now, cities need
big events. But of course that isn't relevant to the
America's Cup anymore and probably never will be. I think
the America's Cup is essentially a con because of that, And.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
I also can't who's con.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
We're meant to be far more interested in and engaged
in this thing than we than any rational person might be,
especially because we have the sal GP series boats get
up on foils now without the America's Cup, and it's
exciting racing all over the world in lots of different classes.
When what is the point of the cup?
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Still?
Speaker 6 (33:06):
I don't what it's match racing at its finest and
the finest vessels, with the finest cruise, with the finest technology,
with the finest sales, and these amazing craft that can
go in an eight knot wind about forty knots?
Speaker 2 (33:19):
And does it Is it more exciting than sol GP?
Speaker 5 (33:22):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (33:22):
I think sol GPS. I think they're both exciting. I
think it's it's a bit like saying do you prefer
a team sport? Like watch watching Swimbledon.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
I mean, I'm aware that it's probably like saying do
you want to watch Formula one or there? Or NASCAR?
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Good enough? Why didn't use that one? Actually? I do
want to say I was watching the other day and
I thought, so there was a maneuver where we have
this thing that America's Cup. Our team have high mode
where they can basically sell a little closer to the wind.
And I'm watching this race and Prata are beating us
and it's very close. And then we get into this
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close sailing situation where Tea New Zealand's just behind them,
and in the course of about thirty seconds, we had
a couple of tacks and they're talking about going to
high mode, boy high note, and all of a sudden
you just see us go past them with a couple
of moves, and the commentators it's like they're watching a
different race. I'm like, when are the commentators going to
acknowledge that we've just seen one of the most impressive
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overtakings of a top notch team simply because we've got
a different way of doing things. And eventually they said, oh,
and there's a league change. I was like, welcome to
the party, princess.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
It's a second as exciting as watching Alex Ye run
past Hayden Wild British without.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Any high tech. I didn't find that particularly exciting, you
know what I'm saying, But because they didn't notice the
right focusing anyway, let'sport a sport.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
And look, there is a tech angle to the America's
Cup is the.
Speaker 5 (34:51):
Last campaign team New Zealand poured away nearly five percent
of their budget on a cyber scam. So there's been
a good, good lesson in there. Yeah, so they got
a they got an email in that said we want
you to pay this bill into a different bank account.
And unfortunately they hadn't been trained internally, so they said, sure,
(35:11):
we'll send the money wherever you like.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
And they said they have.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
The finest tech mines available to them working around the clank.
Speaker 5 (35:17):
I guess not not not on the occuruncy.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Computers funny on that without using any names. And we
have all these we have these tech things we have
to do. You have to do a tech update on
cybersecurity every month or so. You get this thing, tim
you haven't done your text thing. You've got to go
click through. And I just went on logged and went
to go log onto my email, and I have I
opened the email of someone else because I said I
want to get into my email, and it opened into
(35:42):
the email of this particular host who probably wouldn't want
me to go through. That person's no gender specifically assigned.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
So you're just going to guess that I was not
doing those security checks.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
And you know how good was I thought? Just don't
look Tim, even though I was like, oh, there's an
email from such and such things.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
See the halo around his head at the moment.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Anyway, there we go. I won me to need their names.
Of course, though no I wa' referred to it.
Speaker 5 (36:09):
Is sent an email from that account to all staff saying,
my shout for lunch on Monday.
Speaker 4 (36:15):
That's what happened.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Like the guy in those modules, now, I should have
sent an email from him to the boss saying I
listen to Tim Beverage the other day. God, he's good.
We'll be back in just a moment. Nine minutes two
four News talks. He'd be Y's welcome back to the
Weekend Collective, my panelist Simon Wilson and Paul Spain just quickly, guys,
I have found myself not that interested in the All
(36:38):
Blacks until now. I am quite interested in our game
in South Africa.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
Simon, well, I'm interested in it as well. Although I'm
fearfully interested. It's going to be really, really hard game
for the Oblacks to win.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
And I think just because my expectations are that we
could easily lose and I'm not expecting to win, then
I'm really going to enjoy because I'm not. You know,
the worst thing is when you're expect them to win,
You're like, what do you mean you're losing, Paul, Yeah,
I've been.
Speaker 5 (37:04):
My My confidence has certainly dampened. What they're number three
in the world at the moment. They know, they're just
not winning as consistently as they should and or as
we expect, and yeah, how they're going to do in
South Africa.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
I think it's a flip of a coin.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
What's exciting about this game is that both teams now
subscribed to the idea that you need really big, tough
forwards who are going to go very hard at each
other and really adventurous backs who are going to do
great things off the back of that. And because they
both subscribe to that, it ought to be a really
thrilling game.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Just reminds me of those days when we're before sky
and all that sort of thing with a little kid
getting up in the middle of the night and with
the whole family and the hot chocolates and watching watching.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
I'm not gidding, I'm not staying up for getting it.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
I'm not getting up. Goodness. I just remember the days
when choice we had. Hey, guys, thank you so much
for coming on. Simons and Paul Spain hasn't been too bad.
Simon hasn't been too mean to you, has Paul.
Speaker 4 (38:01):
No, he didn't throw any punches. So you know I
was going to have.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
Till thirty seconds right, you will not pass.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
That's the line, isn't it. Yeah, when do we get
to them thou shalt not pass? We haven't quite got that.
That's next episode. Okay, thanks, thanks Simon, thanks for forming on.
We'll be back with the Wonder If Property Right Radio
show Helen No Sullivan is join joining us is now
the time to buy? Will be one of the questions
we'll explore with Helen. It is. Come up to the
News three and a half minutes to four News Talks
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d B.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
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