September 14, 2024 • 37 mins
Today on The Panel, Tim Beveridge is joined by Brigitte Morten and Mark Crysell to discuss the biggest stories from the week that was.
The Trump v Harris debate, new government implementations for health targets, the Treaty Principles Bill, the Black Ferns group hug with Prince Charles, the government proposes a 120km/h speed limit on some roads, and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
And it's time for the panel and my panelists. Well,
I was going to say beautiful for brat, brains and everything.
Of course, my second guest is also quite beautiful. She
has years of experience as a solicitor. She's advised on
everything from senators and ministers to the Embassy of Israel
and Australia. And she joins me from Wellington bridget Morton today.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Gooday, thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Did you enjoy the theme music?
Speaker 4 (00:35):
I enjoyed your dancing too, which you know for the
poor listeners there can't see, but luckily we can.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
I think what had Robin Williams coined the expression the
white man's overbite anyway? And also joining me here in
the Aukland studio. He's a media whiz, He's the Doyen
of broadcasters. He's done it all. He's covered everything from
the All Blacks Tours to going to I think he's
even been to North Korea and the war in Gaza
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and never hard to put a good man down is
Mark christ Mark? How are you going?
Speaker 5 (01:06):
Are you putting me down?
Speaker 2 (01:07):
No? Oh good No, I'm just saying I thought you were.
You are in the process of reinvent out of that. Well,
you're in the process of reinventing yourself a little. That's
very true.
Speaker 5 (01:17):
That's very true.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Just get you to move your microphone to say yeah,
it's very true. It's even better. How are you?
Speaker 5 (01:22):
I'm good.
Speaker 6 (01:22):
I get a little bit of a lurgy, you know,
one of those spring things.
Speaker 5 (01:26):
But I'm good. I'm good.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
A spring thing.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
Well, you know, like you come out in the weather.
Speaker 6 (01:30):
It's hot and it's cold, and it's windy, and it's
not and it's rainy and it's sunny, and it's just like.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
You went down at the Mardi Gras thing in Queenstown,
were you That's right?
Speaker 5 (01:38):
I wasn't down there.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
We're going to rule out empos. Wouldn't that be funny?
Will that be interesting? In a week's time, I get
a message from you saying, oh, Tim, you might want
to just go and get checked up again.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
We didn't hug when I saw you.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
No, no, no hugs at all. How are you, BRIDI,
how are you you?
Speaker 3 (01:56):
I'm good. It's good.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
It's we don't have the chance here to have that
spring lurgie in Wellington because it's just gray and gray
and more gray, and so.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
I've got a view out the window there on the zoom,
but it's pretty bloom and miserable.
Speaker 6 (02:09):
When I lived at Wellington, Bridget my saying for this
time of the year, as days get longer, the wind
grows stronger, and like spring was just batten down the
hatches man Blue.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Actually Bridget just before. We haven't got the slate of
the conversation that, but you know, you're a proud Wellingonian
How's Wellington doing? Because it really just feel when I
was down there at the beginning of the year, it
did seem to have changed a bit, and you just
there's so much negative headlines how is Wellington doing?
Speaker 4 (02:38):
I refused to buy into the Wellington's going down the
drain narrative because I think it's just sort of self
selecting and self satisfying that it just of course, you
can see signs everywhere. Of course, some cafes are closing,
and we've got some shops closing, and you know, house
proces aren't doing great.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
It is amazing.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
There's actually so much amazing stuff happening in Wellington at
the moment. There's so many like new businesses starting there's
people doing really well. I talk to people sometimes, I
think someone at an event this week, and they're like,
it gets embarrassing because you don't want to say, actually,
business is going well in the Wellington setting because it
seemed like it's bad news.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
And I want to be like, actually we can let's
talk about this.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Actually, let's talk about the positive stories rather than focusing
on like every time a cafe closes, that means that
you know, Wellington's further and further down the drain.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Actually, we could we need a case remember the days
of absolutely positively Wellington. We could be we could be
mildly positive.
Speaker 6 (03:31):
Well, there's a lot of jobs gone from the bridge
that must be must be driving all that, all those
jobs gone in the public service.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Yeah, absolutely, and that's of course driving like how much
money there is around town and how much discretionary spending.
But also I know a number of people who lost
their jobs that now have got gotten jobs. It's starting
to pick up a little bit. There's also people taking
the opportunity to do different things or start different things,
and I just think we need to focus on that
because that's actually what we need to encourage, not going
to get anywhere by focusing on whether or not a
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cafe is open or closed.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Good on you. Yeah, and I caught up with that.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
Of course.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
I caught up with an old university friend who's doing
some interesting things down there, and was just chatting to
her about how things were going, and she did just
mention a few changes that had gone on. So I
thought I'd just check in with you. Bridget Morton, good
on you, mildly positively, Wellington.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Mildly absolutely positively.
Speaker 5 (04:18):
Hey.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Now, I promised my overnight listeners on my talk back
show that I was not going to watch the Trump
Harris debate because I thought, there is no way I'm
going to watch it because I just you know what,
I'm going to get up and I'm going to go
for a run, I'm going to have breakfast and everything.
And I did all of those things, and I thought,
oh gosh, I do host a politics show. I should
probably watch it. So I did watch it delayed, but
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it would still going, you know, pre any commentary, and
it wasn't so bad. It was not a bad watch. Mark.
Did you watch it?
Speaker 5 (04:48):
Yeah? I did.
Speaker 6 (04:49):
I was a little bit late. I think I missed
the first half hour or so, but yeah, I Trump
just stresses me out. You know, there's something about him.
It just really stresses me out. And I have to
keep telling myself, I don't have a vote in this election.
But but it was a bit of a master class.
She baited him beautifully, and he took the bait every
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single time. She talked about the size of his crowds
where a you know, you know, you know, and every
time he took the bait. Yeah, it was unbelievable. She
was so well prepared, a little bit nervous. I watched
the beginning later on, and I thought she was a
bit nervous in the beginning, but after that she really
hit his straps.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Well, she didn't answer the opening question, but I actually,
to me, it was summed up by when they walked
on stage and she went, he wasn't going to shake
her hand, and she basically sought him out shook his hand,
And I thought, one nel, Carmela, I have triggered a
lot of my listeners who are Trump supporters by saying
that I think she cleaned his clock. What do you reckon? Bridge?
Speaker 6 (05:47):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (05:47):
I totally agree.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
I mean, debates very rarely do you get anything out
of a debate. But I think the Harris campaign agreed
to this one because they knew they've got this kind
of problem that most people actually don't know her very well.
I mean, she's been veep for you know, for many years,
but actually for most voters, they don't know very much
about it, little enough to go out and trust and
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actually vote, which is a big thing in the US.
So I think they needed that example. I think she
really showed that like that she would have got voters.
I mean that they would have enjoyed some of those
quips you know where sort of Mark was saying about
the size of the rallies and you know how he's
used his inheritance and you know, and then he just
did some disastrous question answering. I mean, I think the
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one that's obviously gone around the world is about how
the pets in Springfield, you know, lock them up because
they are you know, somebody's toast. But I do think
on toast. Please sorry, if it was on toast right well.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Between, I don't know how you would serve cat, but
you'd have to probably have some avocado and tomato with it,
just to.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Know, definitely some salt and pepper.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
Lighting up there.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
By the way, Cat lovers. I do. I do quite
like cats.
Speaker 7 (06:58):
You like them on toast, But I think there's actually
I mean, this is one thing Trump does very very
well that by bringing up an issue like this, he's completely.
Speaker 6 (07:11):
Taken over the narrative. So people are running off, they're
going to Springfield. They're talking about, you know, immigrants eating
cats or whatever and dogs. But whether that's true or not,
he's stopped them talking about the other things. They've stopped
them talking about, you know, his support that's falling away,
or the abortion issue, all those kind of things. So
it's it's in a way, it's quite clever. It's a
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clever distraction. And he always says these incredibly outlandish things.
And most of the time the Democrats this time around
have been quite disciplined. They haven't taken the bait. But
I think, how could you not take the baits after
saying something like that.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
I think the thing that also, if you're going to
try to look at it, just sort of step back
from the whole thing. And to me, he wouldn't have
lost any votes from that, but he just wouldn't have
won anyone new where she had a lot, she had
people to gain, and I think she will have gained
some votes, so.
Speaker 6 (08:03):
Her momentum has slowed down. But on the day, the
day of the New York Times poll showed them pretty
much neck and neck, and so she'd stalled. But I
think this debate there was over like I think something
like sixty million people watched it. Oh, sixty seven million
people watched it. That will give her debate some more momentum.
And she raised an incredible amount of money after that.
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And also there was a huge on rush when a
certain unmarried cat lady, we're going to.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Get onto that man. He has actually let's talk about
it now. Yeah, that the moment. I think that was
the best comment I heard a company what was on
Heather's huddle, I think, and the comment was about basically,
it doesn't necessarily win you direct votes, but it keeps
her momentum going. Yeah, and bridget I think that it
does give the impression that Trump's momentum maybe continues to
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stall a little bit, even though still neck and neck.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
And one of the interesting things, having worked on a
number of campaigns, is actually what it does to the
morale of the campaign. And you're seeing a number of
stories come out of the Trump can that debate did
not do.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Them any favors.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
That there was a lot of people questioning his approach,
the fact that he keep rising to those you know questions,
the fact that he you know, yet went down that
track of the pets and then start to question who
is on that campaign playing with him, and you know,
all of that kind of stuff. So I do think
there is absolutely within a campaign the actual momentum as well,
and he's going to motivate a lot a lot of
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people to come out to those rallies, to do all
those things. And that's where I think he suffered a
little bit, where Kamala has actually, as you say, I
think picked up some of that momentum.
Speaker 6 (09:38):
And also the thing is if young people are registering
to vote and they're going out to vote, they're more
than likely to vote for her, I would say, you know,
because they're inspired by she was trying to look forward
to paint him as somebody who's always looking back, someone
who's negative versus someone who's positive. But the thing with
Donald Trump is he defies political gravity every single time.
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I'm sure Bridget if you had a candidate Kim, you'll
be pulling your hair out. But somehow he can seem
it seems like he can say anything he likes and
it's extraordinary.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
It's amazing.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Somebody played the point to me and talk back. Imagine
any major party political leader just saying one of the
bits of nonsense he said. Imagine just like they're eating
cats and matter matter or something. Oh, I don't know,
but that person's career would just be instantly dead and gone.
But he you know, And let's not overplay the youth vote,
because you know, we often talk about the youth vote
and everyone says, oh, the youthvoat's going to make a difference.
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I'm not sure they still make a big difference, the
youth vote. What do you think? And the Taylor Swift
what do you think bridget the Taylor Swift endorsement just momentum?
What does it actually mean something with young people?
Speaker 4 (10:46):
I think what it means because in the US they
have traditionally such low turnout that every voter you turnout
is incredibly important. It's a different equation, I think to
how you look at politics in New Zealand, where we
have to turnout, there's much more likelihood that somebody's going
to vote than they're not, whereas in the us, it's
almost flipped the other way. So I think it definitely
in terms of youth. And we know that if you
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go out and vote for the first time as soon
as you can, you're more likely to keep voting.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
It becomes that passial Okay, that means, yeah, it entrenches it.
So that means that you know, for some.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
Of those voters that are the Taylor Swift fans that
may be deciding whether it's worth voting first time or not,
that's the type of momentum that you can give to the campaign.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
I guess see. I had a young colleague who said,
to me, who cares what Taylor Swift think? Why does
this even make any difference to anyone? But does it Mark?
Speaker 6 (11:32):
I think all the studies show that it actually doesn't.
But it's interesting and it's another one of those things
that creates momentum around a candidate. So Taylor Swift the
biggest pop star, biggest cultural phenomenon of our times.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
It's extraordinary. I still can't get my head around how
huge the Taylorsworft phenomenon is.
Speaker 6 (11:53):
So you know, I think it may move the dial slightly.
I mean, Springsteen came out a lot for Democratic leaders
over the years. I don't know if that made it
huge difference or not, but you know it's it's part
and parcel and Trump will hate it.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
So he said there's going to be no third debate.
Of course, it would be a second debate with Harris.
He's counting the Biden one. Would you if you are
on his team, Bridget, would you say, hey, Trumpy, you've
got a front up again or did you be saying
keep away?
Speaker 1 (12:23):
No?
Speaker 4 (12:24):
I don't think there's any value for him and doing
another debate. He's shown that he can debate with coumelors,
so he's sort of proven that point. I don't think
he's going to get any further votes from them, you know,
as is a going to another debate, and debates suck
a lot of energy and time out of a campaign.
There would be multiple days of prep. You've got the
day of the campaign. He's much better off being in
some of those swing states on the ground talking to people,
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getting his volunteers out.
Speaker 5 (12:47):
There's only eight weeks to go, Thank god.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
I mean, seriously, come on, just let's just wrap it up,
can we. Well it didn't.
Speaker 6 (12:53):
Really start until she got involved. I mean, you know
that he you know it was a debate. Let's not
forget that that signal the end for Biden. So now
you know that they can they can make a huge
differen Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Actually, isn't that funny that here we are who would
have thought would be in the situation a month ago?
Speaker 4 (13:11):
No, I definitely thought we'd be in the situation. Oh yeah,
I actually thought that Biden would step down.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
You probably said it on our last panel. Actually, Bridget,
we should go back, find the audio and say you
want to be up to date and get ahead of things,
listen to the panel on news Talk, especially when Morton's
on every morning.
Speaker 6 (13:28):
I was waking up looking at my phone hoping for
an alert saying Biden was not going to.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Run when you went the only one. Yeah, hey, let's
move to domestic politics. It doesn't seem nearly as exciting
and sort of sensational, does it. But the health targets,
So the government's so got five new health targets, setting
targets as a bold move. Of course, always they're going
to want to expand the number of beds, operating theaters,
separating acute care from planned care, free up theater space,
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new radiography machines for cancer treatments, expanded access to sell
stem cell transplantation, community and fusion centers. Big ambitions. They
sort of they almost bridget go a little over my
head because I just think of the the inexhaustible demand
for health and our continuous struggle always to meet it.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
Absolutely, what I just called a slight nuance here because
these aren't actually the targets themselves. These are this is
the implementation plan to get to the targets, which I
think is really important because there's a lot of targets
in health. It does, you say, kind of go over
your head. So actually them putting out a bit of
plan about what they're actually going to do. The one
that I picked up on, which was those community infusion centers.
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I think we would all know someone who has gone
through chemo, you know a periods like six months and
every couple of weeks they have to like drive to
you know, like Auckland or christ Ute or somewhere like
that to get more in the community services. That sounds
like a fantastic way for people to be accessing cancer drugs.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Actually a few positive things that you can take out
of this mark It does, you know, good on them
for they're giving it a good crack.
Speaker 5 (15:04):
Well they are, but need to.
Speaker 6 (15:05):
I mean, this health is in a real serious crisis
at the moment. You know, we've got funding issues, we've
got staffing issues, We've got people who can't even be
seen by doctors. We've got people dying in eds when
there is no doctors available. It's serious. This is this
is something there's top of mind for most New Zealanders
at the moment, and so they really need to get cracking.
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And I really hope that these start to work, because
if you don't live in the main center or something
like that, your chances of getting healthcare is falling all
the time. And I'm a big fan of this one
to the community and fusion centers bridge it. I mean,
I know people when I was growing up in New
Plymouth who had to drive all the way down to
Parmeston North and go through this horrible you know, treatment
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all by themselves and then make their way back away
from their friends and their families. So I mean anything
that helps with the postcode lottery in any small way
is good by me.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
It's interesting that you've both seized upon that, and that's
the government'll be delighted about that when you just see
you might not be able to get your head around
the whole thing when you see just a nice pragmatic
solution which will solve problems for people who are going
through the mill anyway. The community infusion centers great idea.
Speaker 5 (16:14):
Isn't it. Yeah?
Speaker 4 (16:15):
And I think that's the thing, is that we know
that the health demand is there, and that we know
that when you have a health challenge, it's incredibly hard,
and normally the health system deals with the medical part
of it. They give you the medicine, they cut you open,
they stit you back up. But actually we know for
most people, the actual big impacts of whatever that health
incident is is actually what happens next. You know, you
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impact on your family, you're a belled to work your
finances and anything that kind of makes that a bit easier,
Like that's got to be great.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (16:44):
The problem with health is it doesn't matter how much
money you spared. You know, it's as much a demographic
problem as it is a money problem. We're living longer
and we are being kept alive by improving healthcare, and
it just doesn't seem to matter how much we spend.
We never quite nail it properly. I know we've come
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out of COVID in a crisis as well and we're
still dealing with that and people completely wrung out by
working through COVID. But yeah, they really have to do
something here because this because this is something that he
could hurt this government at the ballot box.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
I think.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Oh, I see a cheveril called the targets when they're
announced in Mark half Baked well it has had a lot.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
Of support from the doctors and nurses either.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Yeah, I guess. Actually, Lester Levy, how do you think
he's going to quickly bridge it?
Speaker 4 (17:34):
I have a slight love with how he just deals
with stuff with no waffle and no fluff around it.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
He just gets straight to the point.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
I think if he shows all the signals that if
anyone can do it, he can do it. Lots to appreciate.
I think he's got like one year to basically, you know,
be the person that's doing all the change. So we'll
see how he goes. But he definitely indicates that he
understands the problem and he's focused on what's important.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Oh good, you've given me another slogan for Wellington. No
waffle and no fluff Wellington. There we go. Hey, look
we're going to take a quick moment we come back. Oh,
the Treaty's Principle's Bill. We're going to have a quick
chat about that, not get too involved with it. And
also the I love the group hug that the Black
Films gave King Charles. I thought it was just a
lovely little moment. We're going to talk about that and
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other things straight after this. At twenty six past three
New Stalks, he'd be and welcome back to the Weekend Collective.
I had no idea.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
What that?
Speaker 5 (18:26):
Have you heard that tune before your soundtrack?
Speaker 2 (18:29):
No, that's not mine.
Speaker 5 (18:30):
You always hear that when.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
I have no say with the music here. Even that,
Oh yeah, I mean that was Tyra's secret idea really,
But anyway, welcome back to the Weekend Collective. That familiar
tone if you've just joined us, is Mark Krazy you
think we do? I know that name from and the
voice that you will hear it from coming to us
from Wellington is Bridget Morton, my panelist. Now, guys, the
Treaty's Principal Bill, So of course you know the government
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is not going to pick this up and run with it.
People are talking about how device it's going to be.
The principles have been released, they don't seem to be
too they don't seem to be particular inflammatory to me.
And I just wonder, with all these threats of division
and anger and stuff, noat I'm gonna say something you're
probably not going to anticipate. I just think that when
it comes to having serious discussions about big issues, we
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are intellectually immature and childish and petty in that we
cannot have a discussion about the stuff without people think
it's going to be the end of the country.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
Bridget, Well, if you don't want to have to decide
a DEFs a sorry argument out, let's just ignore the bill,
like we.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Know it's not going anywhere. So this is what kind
of frustrates me.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
People like it's terrible, the whole world's gonna crumble, And
I'm like, no, like literally, if you ignore it, nothing's
going to happen. If you talk about it, you're going
to create more division. So how about you just like
focus on something that matters, discussion.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
And a civilized fashion. Bridget.
Speaker 6 (19:52):
This is this is the same Bridget that's telling us
Wellington's actually in good shape.
Speaker 5 (19:56):
You know, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
I'm sorry. Seymour is from Auckland.
Speaker 6 (20:02):
Thank you, because it'd be nice to think that we're
it'll go away and it won't be a distraction. But
every single time this comes out, it will be reported
and it will be wound up and there'll be marches
on Parliament. It'll go all the way through to whyitangy
and we know what it's going to be like there.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
No, but this is what I'm saying is you don't
need to do that. Well, you don't need to march
against a bill that's already not going to pass, or
you don't need to click on the story because you know.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
How media works.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Yeah, and I only write the stories against the eyeballs,
so don't click on the story, and therefore they won't
write lots of stories. Every time Da've seen will say
something more about it.
Speaker 6 (20:37):
Yeah, but that's a wishful thinking. It's going to happen regardless.
Mario are really angry because they see this as just
one of many things that seem to be going against them.
It's you know, there's taking today out of you know,
government departments and names and things like that. They're feeling
really aggrieved at the moment and it's quite obvious, you know,
and it's unifying them. Kataki tongue is the previous Marie
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King called it. So I don't think it'd be nice
to think would go away. It would go away if
if they shortened the period of time that the bill's
being heard and just went through it all. Christopher Lux
and said, no, I'm going to break this coalition. I'll
you know, let's I'm not going to break this coalition.
We're going to break this part of the coalition agreement.
Speaker 8 (21:20):
And Seymour's bluff and I don't think. I think that
well because every time he wants to stand up and
talk about what he's doing with health or roading or
things like that, he's going to be asked about this.
And it's not even his gig. He didn't bring it up.
It's just just a distraction that's.
Speaker 5 (21:37):
Getting in the way.
Speaker 6 (21:38):
And I feel it's incredibly cynical move by David Seymour
to build up support for Act.
Speaker 5 (21:47):
OH.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
I thought that I didn't quite hear the full stop
at the end of that sentence. I was actually looking
for the principles because when I read through, because they've
been watered down a bit bridget. I actually like the
third one, that all New Zealanders are equal before the
long law, regardless of you know something, and free from
discrimination based on anything. And I sort of thought, well,
that one I'm okay with the other one was respecting
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the rights of Hapu and Ewe that from when they
entered the treaty. That seemed right to me. And the
government can make laws for New Zealand. Gee, it doesn't
sound that outrageous, does it.
Speaker 5 (22:19):
Well.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
The problem is, though, is that it's different to what
people interpret the principles of the treaties be now and
what the courts have set out. The principles of the
treaty have been now, so there's been a number of
decisions been made in courts and then flowing through into
government decision making and people's decision making based on those principles.
So if you set up a different interpretation, of course,
it's going to be controversial because you're going to debate
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exactly what those principles are, and those principles don't reflect
what many people think the principles are. I do just
going back slightly to Mark's point about how there is
a uniting force going on at the moment because Maori
are feeling aggrieved. I completely agree, But I also just
think there's like really pragmatic things than things that they
can fight back against. If I was standing, you know,
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in their shoes and saying, well what am I going
to fight, I'd say, don't bother with the thing that's
not going to happen, and fight on the things that
really matter.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (23:11):
I think there is that is going on as well,
But I mean I think it's it's become one big thing,
one big unifying thing that you know, this is a
government that does not value us, it does not like us,
that is attacking parts of our culture, that is taking
away or trying to alter a treaty that we signed.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
You know, well that treaty has been altered and interpreted
over decades by the courts, I mean as well where
we're at with it. But the thing that just I
think gets me is why can't we just have a
discussion as civilized, thoughtful, intelligent human beings without being I'm
going to get throw my toys out of the cop
because I don't like the fact we even having the
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conversation I've got. I just think I look at the
things that the debate shows and and look, politics is
inflammatory and you'll always get the extremes igniting each other.
But I look at some of the talk shows I've
seen in Britain where they've be discuss and some really heavy
stuff over the decades, and they all managed to do
it with well, you get some ridiculous comments, but they
still have conversations. And I just sort of think, oh no,
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we can't even have the conversation. I think we need
to grow up.
Speaker 5 (24:15):
I do. I tend to agree.
Speaker 6 (24:17):
I don't think we're good at these conversations, and these
part of nation building can be hard. You've got to
have some hard conversations, you know. Marty phel agreed, Why
do you feel agreed? We've got to have that discussion.
Why are they so far behind in so many different measures?
We have to grow up and have that bait before
we even talk about the other.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Well, thinking of the relationship with New Zealanders with the crown,
this is my little segue, I thought, yes, yes, that's
why I ordered that way. I did think that moment
where well, if I pronounce your name, Rang, I'm sorry,
are you show Letty Inger asked the king. We all
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wanted a hug, but only if that's okay with you,
And he goes a hug why not? And they have
this group hug with King Charles, and I just thought
that was a delight full little moment. What do you think,
bridget Oh, it just makes you smile.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
I absolutely thought it was delightful as well.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
What I love, though, is that you can see in
the background all the advisors sort of like struggling with it,
because on one hand, there is that rule you never
touch the monarch, you never touch royalty. But the other hand,
they have spent thousands and thousands of hours of trying
to make the monarchy relatable to people and make them
look like people as opposed to you know, these big
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sort are high up kings and queens that don't understand
what's happening in Britain and in the colonies. But they
just in one like one second, the black Ferns just
you know, moved that along like you know, hundreds of
years and so I do kind of love that he
went for it. He didn't even pause. It's just so authenticity,
which I think was lovely.
Speaker 6 (25:50):
I look at them and I think they're the best
of us. I love the black ferns. I just think
you know, they're multicultural there, that they share all those
different cultures and languages, and they all come together for
a common cause and they just everything they do with
they do with so joy. There's such a wonderful video
which I saw today of them going in and they
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basically learned about curtseying two minutes before they meet the king,
and then Ruby tooy. Did you see what Ruby toy
to the king? Which you had him suck.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
G He probably didn't even hear. Actually, I thought that
the woman, the woman who asked the silver fan, who
actually asked for the hug, she said she didn't know
his reaction until she saw the video later. She couldn't
see his expression. But I thought, actually, and curios to him.
I just sort of thought they all went in together,
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didn't they. Then here's the thing I think. I think
these things are that, you know, despite people, and when
the queen passed away and everything, and Charles has his detractors,
I think, actually he's going to be a pretty popular
monarch for that very human reason that we saw him
respond in such a normal human diplomat of fun, warm,
open up, inspirited fashion, don't you think, bridget.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
Yeah, absolutely, and you know, I am a monoicus, so
I was predisposed, I think, to seeing it as a
great moment, but it absolutely was the same. When the
Queen passed away, I was like, oh, we'd really have
to deal with King Charles until you know, he diplomatically
moves on. And I do think that that's, yeah, that's
changing that equation a bit more. And they've had a lot,
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you know, think in the last six months, they haven't
had been able to do a lot of public front
facing stuff because he's been unwell, Princes Kate's been unwell,
so they just, you know, I think that this was
a great kind of moment for them.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
I haven't even actually googled how much it got reported
in the international press, but it surely must.
Speaker 6 (27:38):
I think it's done the round, so I definitely think
it has. And also it's quite hilarious watching the British
comments on it, you know, reported as well, because it
kind of shocked that they touched them.
Speaker 5 (27:48):
It wasn't that long.
Speaker 6 (27:49):
Ago that Helen Clark got a bollocking for wearing trousers.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Remember that, and not from the Queen to by the way,
but it was from the poor.
Speaker 6 (28:02):
Keating put his hand on the Queen's back when she
escorting here in Australia about twenty years ago. That was
a huge scandal.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Wow, just as well.
Speaker 5 (28:11):
We've got a long way right.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Okay, we're going to be back in just a moment.
It's our twenty to four News Talk z B and
welcome back. This is the Weekend Collective. The panel Bridget
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to ask if the market has lost well, if there's
going to be any more excitement in the market for
a while. Anyway, the moving on. We still got a
little bit of politics in a way, but it's not
so not so weightily political this question. But the government
is proposing well, they're looking at the question of having
one hundred and twenty kilometer in our speed limits. Waika
Kotahi has warned that roads would need would be more
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expensive to build and require new safety and engineering standards,
but they are pushing ahead with new speed limits to
enable motorists to travel one hundred and ten kilometers on
new and existing roads and national significant were they're actually
designed for that speed as far as I know anyway,
bridget I don't have a problem with all this. Let's
get around. What do you reckon?
Speaker 3 (29:10):
No, neither do I.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
I just think that it just doesn't need to be
something that got out to the trendy principles which only
need to spend that much time talking about it.
Speaker 5 (29:18):
Nothing to see here.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
This is terrible for me from you, I love talking
about politics. I'm like, no, not these ones.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
I'll try harder next time.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
It does seem like it's people that it's spending a
lot of time talking about this.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
I'm pretty happy actually to.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
Outsource the thinking on this the NZTA to the experts,
to make sure the roads are right, that we have
the ability to build this roads to these capacity, that
the roads could handle it, we should do it. Is
it actually a big political decision or is it just operational?
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Well, speaking of the experts, that those experts have said
that we can't be pushing those speed limits back from
thirty to fifty k and will result in an increase
in the road toll Well, and I say, I mean,
if you want to play the safety argument, we could
just go back to fifty kilometers now on the open road.
No one will die then either. Yeah, we could just
get to cars, I mean some horse and cart.
Speaker 6 (30:07):
Yeah that to someone who's been in an accident, though,
you know, like it is like by lifting the speed
limit just from thirty to fifty, you know, people will
die because because of the the the forces that are
implicit when you when you're hit at that speed. I
live in a country Germany, where there is no speed
limit on the auto barns. But when you crash, you
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die is simple, you know.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Well, and sixty kilometers and here I mean we're talking about.
Speaker 5 (30:38):
One hundred and twenty probably means one hundred and thirty two.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Oh no, I'm thinking about the thirty to fifty one.
Oh yep. But look, the thing is, as you say,
you can ask people have been in an accident. But
I'm not sure if there are no But I mean,
but I'm not sure that narrow focus is the way
we want to is to look at the I'm not
sure if that's the way we want to run our
country as imagining the worst possible case scenario. Because if
you do that, you could ask, you could haggle or
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argue to for all sorts of things which will round
the country to a whole, but no one would necessarily
be dying. And I sort of think, I think that
we get distracted from things like, okay, alcohol driving, Raise
the fine for using your cell phone to fifteen hundred bucks,
you know, you know, have serious consequences for people who
constantly make bad decisions when they're driving, rather than grinding
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us all down pretending that we're going to try and
make it survivable if a pedestrian crosses the road in
front of someone in the city.
Speaker 5 (31:32):
Even our street.
Speaker 6 (31:33):
You know, I see people whipping down our street when
kids are walking down to school or going to school
and things like that, and all I want them to
do is to slow down. I mean, you do have
to think of that. If we're talking economics, the economics
of someone being banged up in hospital, the cost on
the health system, the cost on the on the economy
of taking them people out of the workforce is high.
(31:55):
You know, we're just yeah, I'm all for lowering the speeds,
and I may be in a minority here, I'm willing
to lowering them further. Oh my god, go jack up, mate.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
I guess I think I need to swap neighborhoods with Mark,
because I am just infuriated by some of my neighbors
who are driving at thirty five forty k's an hour
and a fifty k area. It's a straight road where
I live, and I'm just like, why are we driving
so slowly? So probably I've just got a bit of
road rage to deal with, from which means I'm not
a good judgment of whether or not wish a bit
increasing speed limits at all.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
I always think when we.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
Talk about the state of our roads, though, it always shocks.
Lots of my friends live in Australia. They come to
visit and the first time they've ever come across a
one lane bridge roads particularly like it just as a
whole nother level that they just don't even understand that
ye does work. How many have you built like particularly
when you get down the round the bottom of the
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South Island, it is quite amazing.
Speaker 5 (32:49):
And even up north the road's up north are shocking
as well.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Oh yeah, stay Highway thirty five is actually that is
a road that we actually need to invest in because
that's actually dangerous regardless of what speed you're going on it.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
That is a dangerous road.
Speaker 5 (33:02):
I mean cars are safer, let's put it that way.
Speaker 6 (33:04):
I mean, you know you've got a better chance of
surviving now, but which maybe not getting that.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
It's funny.
Speaker 5 (33:10):
First place, I did a.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Defensive driving course as part of our They brought them
into our school back when I was you know, back
when you get your license when you're fifteen, and it's funny.
I actually it was very effective, even though it was
probably pretty old school. I still remember the lessons from
that defensive driving course and I think it's helped me
inod Stead because whenever I'm thinking of doing something silly,
there were things about the unexpected hazards that really sunk
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into my mind. It was just about, you know, behind
that car, are you thinking that if you're driving along
and not paying attention of a kid runs out? Could
you stop? And I must say defensive driving courses, if
they've improved since I was younger, I'm sure they have
rock on.
Speaker 6 (33:46):
I definitely agree with your around phones, use of phones
and cars.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Yah, fifteen hundred buck bibs. Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
I that's so interesting because I did defensive driving as well.
Because you know, you get your license, I think the
time you spent on your restricted license cut down by
doing a defensive driving course. I remember zero from it.
I remember like going with my friend and having quale.
It fun, but I don't remember anything about driving safer.
So clearly you're a much British student than I was.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
To look at there's a lot I have forgotten at school,
trust me. For some reason. That and that maybe I
just had a good high protein lunch and I was
just fairly loose.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Oh you're taking it.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Didn't take it. Put that one down under the panel topic.
Speaker 6 (34:26):
It's almost like dogs, dogs and cats being eaten. If
a feeling it's going to be one of those.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Well, actually there's a solution to nurning mind. I just stopped.
We don't want to get canceled, and the canceled during
the panel. Guess what We're gonna have to take a
moment come back. But this is the panel News Talk
zd B, Mark Kreisel, Bridge at Morton. I'm Tim Beveridge
back in the tech. Yes, welcome back. This is the
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weekend collective our panel, Bridge at Morton and Mark Kreisel. Now,
I actually this is a fascinating It's just amazing that
we've got to the stage where you can get a
privately funded space walk. So a billion and an engineer
have become the first non professional crew to perform one
of the riskiest maneuvers in space, a spacewalk. I don't
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they To me, it looked like they just popped their
head out of the hatch bridget, but nevertheless quite phenomenal.
Would you would you ever go into space and stick
your head out and go I'll take a look?
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Yeah? Absolutely, Like, why would you not take that opportunity?
It looks amazing they did.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
I actually see they stepped out wiggled around their like
limbs because it's something to do with the space suits particularly.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
I didn't really understand that.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
I don't understand the science still, but essentially they were
sort of testing and demonstrating the fact that it's safe
for them to do so.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
But yeah, I would totally do it. What an amazing opportunity.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
I don't know, I just would. I would just be
I mean, the idea of being out there and doing
the space walk great. It's the taking off in a
rocket which would make me think, am I going to
be the one where oh you know, bomb?
Speaker 6 (35:59):
So this was private and they're not saying how much
it costs, but a lot of have suggested it would
have cost a couple of one hundred million dollars. That's
a couple of it's fifty five million just for a
seat on that flight.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Yeah, it's almost as change, almost as expensive as Auckland
to Queenstown during the ski season.
Speaker 5 (36:23):
I do.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
It's kind of interesting because I just think about the
fact I would absolutely say yes to that. But if
somebody seen me to go the opposite way down to
the bottom of the ocean and one of those that
have kept oh yeah, absolutely, no way, it's pretty much the.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Same thing, even if well, ah yeah, actually that's an
instant question. Would you rather do the spacewalk space and
risk explosion on? I don't know.
Speaker 6 (36:44):
It looks more fun, like that floaty thing moving around.
Speaker 4 (36:47):
And you get to see the Earth where it's like
down the ocean, just get to see darkness.
Speaker 6 (36:51):
Yeah, and those weird fish well journalists.
Speaker 5 (36:57):
Journalists have feelings.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Too, anyway, Look, I there would be a few nervous moments,
I imagine, but what must It's been an amazing experience apparently,
Just imagine looking out on that planet of ours and going, wow,
here I am, but I'd be totally surreal. I just
don't think I keep my head around it.
Speaker 5 (37:14):
No, it would be amazing. Also, the view of the
Earth must be incredible.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Mark Kreisel from Space The next story, there's a doco
for you. Just get the funding for that. I think
New Zealand on air might struggle for your ticket on
that one, Mark, but give it a go. I'll back
you up, hey, Bridget, take you up on that too.
From Mildly from Mildly positive Lately, Wellington, Bridget Morton, thanks
so much for joining us.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
Thank you, it's been an absolutely positively great.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
Time, marvelous and Mark Kreisel of course, always a pleasure,
big guy. Look forward to catching you guys again sometime soon. Okay,
that wraps up the panel. We'll be back for the
one roof radio show. Ashley Church is joining us. This
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
And it's time for the panel and my panelists. Well,
I was going to say beautiful for brat, brains and everything.
Of course, my second guest is also quite beautiful. She
has years of experience as a solicitor. She's advised on
everything from senators and ministers to the Embassy of Israel
and Australia. And she joins me from Wellington bridget Morton today.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Gooday, thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Did you enjoy the theme music?
Speaker 4 (00:35):
I enjoyed your dancing too, which you know for the
poor listeners there can't see, but luckily we can.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
I think what had Robin Williams coined the expression the
white man's overbite anyway? And also joining me here in
the Aukland studio. He's a media whiz, He's the Doyen
of broadcasters. He's done it all. He's covered everything from
the All Blacks Tours to going to I think he's
even been to North Korea and the war in Gaza
(01:02):
and never hard to put a good man down is
Mark christ Mark? How are you going?
Speaker 5 (01:06):
Are you putting me down?
Speaker 2 (01:07):
No? Oh good No, I'm just saying I thought you were.
You are in the process of reinvent out of that. Well,
you're in the process of reinventing yourself a little. That's
very true.
Speaker 5 (01:17):
That's very true.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Just get you to move your microphone to say yeah,
it's very true. It's even better. How are you?
Speaker 5 (01:22):
I'm good.
Speaker 6 (01:22):
I get a little bit of a lurgy, you know,
one of those spring things.
Speaker 5 (01:26):
But I'm good. I'm good.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
A spring thing.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
Well, you know, like you come out in the weather.
Speaker 6 (01:30):
It's hot and it's cold, and it's windy, and it's
not and it's rainy and it's sunny, and it's just like.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
You went down at the Mardi Gras thing in Queenstown,
were you That's right?
Speaker 5 (01:38):
I wasn't down there.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
We're going to rule out empos. Wouldn't that be funny?
Will that be interesting? In a week's time, I get
a message from you saying, oh, Tim, you might want
to just go and get checked up again.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
We didn't hug when I saw you.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
No, no, no hugs at all. How are you, BRIDI,
how are you you?
Speaker 3 (01:56):
I'm good. It's good.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
It's we don't have the chance here to have that
spring lurgie in Wellington because it's just gray and gray
and more gray, and so.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
I've got a view out the window there on the zoom,
but it's pretty bloom and miserable.
Speaker 6 (02:09):
When I lived at Wellington, Bridget my saying for this
time of the year, as days get longer, the wind
grows stronger, and like spring was just batten down the
hatches man Blue.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Actually Bridget just before. We haven't got the slate of
the conversation that, but you know, you're a proud Wellingonian
How's Wellington doing? Because it really just feel when I
was down there at the beginning of the year, it
did seem to have changed a bit, and you just
there's so much negative headlines how is Wellington doing?
Speaker 4 (02:38):
I refused to buy into the Wellington's going down the
drain narrative because I think it's just sort of self
selecting and self satisfying that it just of course, you
can see signs everywhere. Of course, some cafes are closing,
and we've got some shops closing, and you know, house
proces aren't doing great.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
It is amazing.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
There's actually so much amazing stuff happening in Wellington at
the moment. There's so many like new businesses starting there's
people doing really well. I talk to people sometimes, I
think someone at an event this week, and they're like,
it gets embarrassing because you don't want to say, actually,
business is going well in the Wellington setting because it
seemed like it's bad news.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
And I want to be like, actually we can let's
talk about this.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Actually, let's talk about the positive stories rather than focusing
on like every time a cafe closes, that means that
you know, Wellington's further and further down the drain.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Actually, we could we need a case remember the days
of absolutely positively Wellington. We could be we could be
mildly positive.
Speaker 6 (03:31):
Well, there's a lot of jobs gone from the bridge
that must be must be driving all that, all those
jobs gone in the public service.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Yeah, absolutely, and that's of course driving like how much
money there is around town and how much discretionary spending.
But also I know a number of people who lost
their jobs that now have got gotten jobs. It's starting
to pick up a little bit. There's also people taking
the opportunity to do different things or start different things,
and I just think we need to focus on that
because that's actually what we need to encourage, not going
to get anywhere by focusing on whether or not a
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cafe is open or closed.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Good on you. Yeah, and I caught up with that.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
Of course.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
I caught up with an old university friend who's doing
some interesting things down there, and was just chatting to
her about how things were going, and she did just
mention a few changes that had gone on. So I
thought I'd just check in with you. Bridget Morton, good
on you, mildly positively, Wellington.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Mildly absolutely positively.
Speaker 5 (04:18):
Hey.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Now, I promised my overnight listeners on my talk back
show that I was not going to watch the Trump
Harris debate because I thought, there is no way I'm
going to watch it because I just you know what,
I'm going to get up and I'm going to go
for a run, I'm going to have breakfast and everything.
And I did all of those things, and I thought,
oh gosh, I do host a politics show. I should
probably watch it. So I did watch it delayed, but
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it would still going, you know, pre any commentary, and
it wasn't so bad. It was not a bad watch. Mark.
Did you watch it?
Speaker 5 (04:48):
Yeah? I did.
Speaker 6 (04:49):
I was a little bit late. I think I missed
the first half hour or so, but yeah, I Trump
just stresses me out. You know, there's something about him.
It just really stresses me out. And I have to
keep telling myself, I don't have a vote in this election.
But but it was a bit of a master class.
She baited him beautifully, and he took the bait every
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single time. She talked about the size of his crowds
where a you know, you know, you know, and every
time he took the bait. Yeah, it was unbelievable. She
was so well prepared, a little bit nervous. I watched
the beginning later on, and I thought she was a
bit nervous in the beginning, but after that she really
hit his straps.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Well, she didn't answer the opening question, but I actually,
to me, it was summed up by when they walked
on stage and she went, he wasn't going to shake
her hand, and she basically sought him out shook his hand,
And I thought, one nel, Carmela, I have triggered a
lot of my listeners who are Trump supporters by saying
that I think she cleaned his clock. What do you reckon? Bridge?
Speaker 6 (05:47):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (05:47):
I totally agree.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
I mean, debates very rarely do you get anything out
of a debate. But I think the Harris campaign agreed
to this one because they knew they've got this kind
of problem that most people actually don't know her very well.
I mean, she's been veep for you know, for many years,
but actually for most voters, they don't know very much
about it, little enough to go out and trust and
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actually vote, which is a big thing in the US.
So I think they needed that example. I think she
really showed that like that she would have got voters.
I mean that they would have enjoyed some of those
quips you know where sort of Mark was saying about
the size of the rallies and you know how he's
used his inheritance and you know, and then he just
did some disastrous question answering. I mean, I think the
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one that's obviously gone around the world is about how
the pets in Springfield, you know, lock them up because
they are you know, somebody's toast. But I do think
on toast. Please sorry, if it was on toast right well.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Between, I don't know how you would serve cat, but
you'd have to probably have some avocado and tomato with it,
just to.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Know, definitely some salt and pepper.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
Lighting up there.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
By the way, Cat lovers. I do. I do quite
like cats.
Speaker 7 (06:58):
You like them on toast, But I think there's actually
I mean, this is one thing Trump does very very
well that by bringing up an issue like this, he's completely.
Speaker 6 (07:11):
Taken over the narrative. So people are running off, they're
going to Springfield. They're talking about, you know, immigrants eating
cats or whatever and dogs. But whether that's true or not,
he's stopped them talking about the other things. They've stopped
them talking about, you know, his support that's falling away,
or the abortion issue, all those kind of things. So
it's it's in a way, it's quite clever. It's a
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clever distraction. And he always says these incredibly outlandish things.
And most of the time the Democrats this time around
have been quite disciplined. They haven't taken the bait. But
I think, how could you not take the baits after
saying something like that.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
I think the thing that also, if you're going to
try to look at it, just sort of step back
from the whole thing. And to me, he wouldn't have
lost any votes from that, but he just wouldn't have
won anyone new where she had a lot, she had
people to gain, and I think she will have gained
some votes, so.
Speaker 6 (08:03):
Her momentum has slowed down. But on the day, the
day of the New York Times poll showed them pretty
much neck and neck, and so she'd stalled. But I
think this debate there was over like I think something
like sixty million people watched it. Oh, sixty seven million
people watched it. That will give her debate some more momentum.
And she raised an incredible amount of money after that.
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And also there was a huge on rush when a
certain unmarried cat lady, we're going to.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Get onto that man. He has actually let's talk about
it now. Yeah, that the moment. I think that was
the best comment I heard a company what was on
Heather's huddle, I think, and the comment was about basically,
it doesn't necessarily win you direct votes, but it keeps
her momentum going. Yeah, and bridget I think that it
does give the impression that Trump's momentum maybe continues to
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stall a little bit, even though still neck and neck.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
And one of the interesting things, having worked on a
number of campaigns, is actually what it does to the
morale of the campaign. And you're seeing a number of
stories come out of the Trump can that debate did
not do.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Them any favors.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
That there was a lot of people questioning his approach,
the fact that he keep rising to those you know questions,
the fact that he you know, yet went down that
track of the pets and then start to question who
is on that campaign playing with him, and you know,
all of that kind of stuff. So I do think
there is absolutely within a campaign the actual momentum as well,
and he's going to motivate a lot a lot of
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people to come out to those rallies, to do all
those things. And that's where I think he suffered a
little bit, where Kamala has actually, as you say, I
think picked up some of that momentum.
Speaker 6 (09:38):
And also the thing is if young people are registering
to vote and they're going out to vote, they're more
than likely to vote for her, I would say, you know,
because they're inspired by she was trying to look forward
to paint him as somebody who's always looking back, someone
who's negative versus someone who's positive. But the thing with
Donald Trump is he defies political gravity every single time.
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I'm sure Bridget if you had a candidate Kim, you'll
be pulling your hair out. But somehow he can seem
it seems like he can say anything he likes and
it's extraordinary.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
It's amazing.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Somebody played the point to me and talk back. Imagine
any major party political leader just saying one of the
bits of nonsense he said. Imagine just like they're eating
cats and matter matter or something. Oh, I don't know,
but that person's career would just be instantly dead and gone.
But he you know, And let's not overplay the youth vote,
because you know, we often talk about the youth vote
and everyone says, oh, the youthvoat's going to make a difference.
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I'm not sure they still make a big difference, the
youth vote. What do you think? And the Taylor Swift
what do you think bridget the Taylor Swift endorsement just momentum?
What does it actually mean something with young people?
Speaker 4 (10:46):
I think what it means because in the US they
have traditionally such low turnout that every voter you turnout
is incredibly important. It's a different equation, I think to
how you look at politics in New Zealand, where we
have to turnout, there's much more likelihood that somebody's going
to vote than they're not, whereas in the us, it's
almost flipped the other way. So I think it definitely
in terms of youth. And we know that if you
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go out and vote for the first time as soon
as you can, you're more likely to keep voting.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
It becomes that passial Okay, that means, yeah, it entrenches it.
So that means that you know, for some.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
Of those voters that are the Taylor Swift fans that
may be deciding whether it's worth voting first time or not,
that's the type of momentum that you can give to the campaign.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
I guess see. I had a young colleague who said,
to me, who cares what Taylor Swift think? Why does
this even make any difference to anyone? But does it Mark?
Speaker 6 (11:32):
I think all the studies show that it actually doesn't.
But it's interesting and it's another one of those things
that creates momentum around a candidate. So Taylor Swift the
biggest pop star, biggest cultural phenomenon of our times.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
It's extraordinary. I still can't get my head around how
huge the Taylorsworft phenomenon is.
Speaker 6 (11:53):
So you know, I think it may move the dial slightly.
I mean, Springsteen came out a lot for Democratic leaders
over the years. I don't know if that made it
huge difference or not, but you know it's it's part
and parcel and Trump will hate it.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
So he said there's going to be no third debate.
Of course, it would be a second debate with Harris.
He's counting the Biden one. Would you if you are
on his team, Bridget, would you say, hey, Trumpy, you've
got a front up again or did you be saying
keep away?
Speaker 1 (12:23):
No?
Speaker 4 (12:24):
I don't think there's any value for him and doing
another debate. He's shown that he can debate with coumelors,
so he's sort of proven that point. I don't think
he's going to get any further votes from them, you know,
as is a going to another debate, and debates suck
a lot of energy and time out of a campaign.
There would be multiple days of prep. You've got the
day of the campaign. He's much better off being in
some of those swing states on the ground talking to people,
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getting his volunteers out.
Speaker 5 (12:47):
There's only eight weeks to go, Thank god.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
I mean, seriously, come on, just let's just wrap it up,
can we. Well it didn't.
Speaker 6 (12:53):
Really start until she got involved. I mean, you know
that he you know it was a debate. Let's not
forget that that signal the end for Biden. So now
you know that they can they can make a huge
differen Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Actually, isn't that funny that here we are who would
have thought would be in the situation a month ago?
Speaker 4 (13:11):
No, I definitely thought we'd be in the situation. Oh yeah,
I actually thought that Biden would step down.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
You probably said it on our last panel. Actually, Bridget,
we should go back, find the audio and say you
want to be up to date and get ahead of things,
listen to the panel on news Talk, especially when Morton's
on every morning.
Speaker 6 (13:28):
I was waking up looking at my phone hoping for
an alert saying Biden was not going to.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Run when you went the only one. Yeah, hey, let's
move to domestic politics. It doesn't seem nearly as exciting
and sort of sensational, does it. But the health targets,
So the government's so got five new health targets, setting
targets as a bold move. Of course, always they're going
to want to expand the number of beds, operating theaters,
separating acute care from planned care, free up theater space,
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new radiography machines for cancer treatments, expanded access to sell
stem cell transplantation, community and fusion centers. Big ambitions. They
sort of they almost bridget go a little over my
head because I just think of the the inexhaustible demand
for health and our continuous struggle always to meet it.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
Absolutely, what I just called a slight nuance here because
these aren't actually the targets themselves. These are this is
the implementation plan to get to the targets, which I
think is really important because there's a lot of targets
in health. It does, you say, kind of go over
your head. So actually them putting out a bit of
plan about what they're actually going to do. The one
that I picked up on, which was those community infusion centers.
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I think we would all know someone who has gone
through chemo, you know a periods like six months and
every couple of weeks they have to like drive to
you know, like Auckland or christ Ute or somewhere like
that to get more in the community services. That sounds
like a fantastic way for people to be accessing cancer drugs.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Actually a few positive things that you can take out
of this mark It does, you know, good on them
for they're giving it a good crack.
Speaker 5 (15:04):
Well they are, but need to.
Speaker 6 (15:05):
I mean, this health is in a real serious crisis
at the moment. You know, we've got funding issues, we've
got staffing issues, We've got people who can't even be
seen by doctors. We've got people dying in eds when
there is no doctors available. It's serious. This is this
is something there's top of mind for most New Zealanders
at the moment, and so they really need to get cracking.
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And I really hope that these start to work, because
if you don't live in the main center or something
like that, your chances of getting healthcare is falling all
the time. And I'm a big fan of this one
to the community and fusion centers bridge it. I mean,
I know people when I was growing up in New
Plymouth who had to drive all the way down to
Parmeston North and go through this horrible you know, treatment
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all by themselves and then make their way back away
from their friends and their families. So I mean anything
that helps with the postcode lottery in any small way
is good by me.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
It's interesting that you've both seized upon that, and that's
the government'll be delighted about that when you just see
you might not be able to get your head around
the whole thing when you see just a nice pragmatic
solution which will solve problems for people who are going
through the mill anyway. The community infusion centers great idea.
Speaker 5 (16:14):
Isn't it. Yeah?
Speaker 4 (16:15):
And I think that's the thing, is that we know
that the health demand is there, and that we know
that when you have a health challenge, it's incredibly hard,
and normally the health system deals with the medical part
of it. They give you the medicine, they cut you open,
they stit you back up. But actually we know for
most people, the actual big impacts of whatever that health
incident is is actually what happens next. You know, you
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impact on your family, you're a belled to work your
finances and anything that kind of makes that a bit easier,
Like that's got to be great.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (16:44):
The problem with health is it doesn't matter how much
money you spared. You know, it's as much a demographic
problem as it is a money problem. We're living longer
and we are being kept alive by improving healthcare, and
it just doesn't seem to matter how much we spend.
We never quite nail it properly. I know we've come
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out of COVID in a crisis as well and we're
still dealing with that and people completely wrung out by
working through COVID. But yeah, they really have to do
something here because this because this is something that he
could hurt this government at the ballot box.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
I think.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Oh, I see a cheveril called the targets when they're
announced in Mark half Baked well it has had a lot.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
Of support from the doctors and nurses either.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Yeah, I guess. Actually, Lester Levy, how do you think
he's going to quickly bridge it?
Speaker 4 (17:34):
I have a slight love with how he just deals
with stuff with no waffle and no fluff around it.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
He just gets straight to the point.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
I think if he shows all the signals that if
anyone can do it, he can do it. Lots to appreciate.
I think he's got like one year to basically, you know,
be the person that's doing all the change. So we'll
see how he goes. But he definitely indicates that he
understands the problem and he's focused on what's important.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Oh good, you've given me another slogan for Wellington. No
waffle and no fluff Wellington. There we go. Hey, look
we're going to take a quick moment we come back. Oh,
the Treaty's Principle's Bill. We're going to have a quick
chat about that, not get too involved with it. And
also the I love the group hug that the Black
Films gave King Charles. I thought it was just a
lovely little moment. We're going to talk about that and
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other things straight after this. At twenty six past three
New Stalks, he'd be and welcome back to the Weekend Collective.
I had no idea.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
What that?
Speaker 5 (18:26):
Have you heard that tune before your soundtrack?
Speaker 2 (18:29):
No, that's not mine.
Speaker 5 (18:30):
You always hear that when.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
I have no say with the music here. Even that,
Oh yeah, I mean that was Tyra's secret idea really,
But anyway, welcome back to the Weekend Collective. That familiar
tone if you've just joined us, is Mark Krazy you
think we do? I know that name from and the
voice that you will hear it from coming to us
from Wellington is Bridget Morton, my panelist. Now, guys, the
Treaty's Principal Bill, So of course you know the government
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is not going to pick this up and run with it.
People are talking about how device it's going to be.
The principles have been released, they don't seem to be
too they don't seem to be particular inflammatory to me.
And I just wonder, with all these threats of division
and anger and stuff, noat I'm gonna say something you're
probably not going to anticipate. I just think that when
it comes to having serious discussions about big issues, we
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are intellectually immature and childish and petty in that we
cannot have a discussion about the stuff without people think
it's going to be the end of the country.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
Bridget, Well, if you don't want to have to decide
a DEFs a sorry argument out, let's just ignore the bill,
like we.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Know it's not going anywhere. So this is what kind
of frustrates me.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
People like it's terrible, the whole world's gonna crumble, And
I'm like, no, like literally, if you ignore it, nothing's
going to happen. If you talk about it, you're going
to create more division. So how about you just like
focus on something that matters, discussion.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
And a civilized fashion. Bridget.
Speaker 6 (19:52):
This is this is the same Bridget that's telling us
Wellington's actually in good shape.
Speaker 5 (19:56):
You know, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
I'm sorry. Seymour is from Auckland.
Speaker 6 (20:02):
Thank you, because it'd be nice to think that we're
it'll go away and it won't be a distraction. But
every single time this comes out, it will be reported
and it will be wound up and there'll be marches
on Parliament. It'll go all the way through to whyitangy
and we know what it's going to be like there.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
No, but this is what I'm saying is you don't
need to do that. Well, you don't need to march
against a bill that's already not going to pass, or
you don't need to click on the story because you know.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
How media works.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Yeah, and I only write the stories against the eyeballs,
so don't click on the story, and therefore they won't
write lots of stories. Every time Da've seen will say
something more about it.
Speaker 6 (20:37):
Yeah, but that's a wishful thinking. It's going to happen regardless.
Mario are really angry because they see this as just
one of many things that seem to be going against them.
It's you know, there's taking today out of you know,
government departments and names and things like that. They're feeling
really aggrieved at the moment and it's quite obvious, you know,
and it's unifying them. Kataki tongue is the previous Marie
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King called it. So I don't think it'd be nice
to think would go away. It would go away if
if they shortened the period of time that the bill's
being heard and just went through it all. Christopher Lux
and said, no, I'm going to break this coalition. I'll
you know, let's I'm not going to break this coalition.
We're going to break this part of the coalition agreement.
Speaker 8 (21:20):
And Seymour's bluff and I don't think. I think that
well because every time he wants to stand up and
talk about what he's doing with health or roading or
things like that, he's going to be asked about this.
And it's not even his gig. He didn't bring it up.
It's just just a distraction that's.
Speaker 5 (21:37):
Getting in the way.
Speaker 6 (21:38):
And I feel it's incredibly cynical move by David Seymour
to build up support for Act.
Speaker 5 (21:47):
OH.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
I thought that I didn't quite hear the full stop
at the end of that sentence. I was actually looking
for the principles because when I read through, because they've
been watered down a bit bridget. I actually like the
third one, that all New Zealanders are equal before the
long law, regardless of you know something, and free from
discrimination based on anything. And I sort of thought, well,
that one I'm okay with the other one was respecting
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the rights of Hapu and Ewe that from when they
entered the treaty. That seemed right to me. And the
government can make laws for New Zealand. Gee, it doesn't
sound that outrageous, does it.
Speaker 5 (22:19):
Well.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
The problem is, though, is that it's different to what
people interpret the principles of the treaties be now and
what the courts have set out. The principles of the
treaty have been now, so there's been a number of
decisions been made in courts and then flowing through into
government decision making and people's decision making based on those principles.
So if you set up a different interpretation, of course,
it's going to be controversial because you're going to debate
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exactly what those principles are, and those principles don't reflect
what many people think the principles are. I do just
going back slightly to Mark's point about how there is
a uniting force going on at the moment because Maori
are feeling aggrieved. I completely agree, But I also just
think there's like really pragmatic things than things that they
can fight back against. If I was standing, you know,
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in their shoes and saying, well what am I going
to fight, I'd say, don't bother with the thing that's
not going to happen, and fight on the things that
really matter.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (23:11):
I think there is that is going on as well,
But I mean I think it's it's become one big thing,
one big unifying thing that you know, this is a
government that does not value us, it does not like us,
that is attacking parts of our culture, that is taking
away or trying to alter a treaty that we signed.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
You know, well that treaty has been altered and interpreted
over decades by the courts, I mean as well where
we're at with it. But the thing that just I
think gets me is why can't we just have a
discussion as civilized, thoughtful, intelligent human beings without being I'm
going to get throw my toys out of the cop
because I don't like the fact we even having the
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conversation I've got. I just think I look at the
things that the debate shows and and look, politics is
inflammatory and you'll always get the extremes igniting each other.
But I look at some of the talk shows I've
seen in Britain where they've be discuss and some really heavy
stuff over the decades, and they all managed to do
it with well, you get some ridiculous comments, but they
still have conversations. And I just sort of think, oh no,
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we can't even have the conversation. I think we need
to grow up.
Speaker 5 (24:15):
I do. I tend to agree.
Speaker 6 (24:17):
I don't think we're good at these conversations, and these
part of nation building can be hard. You've got to
have some hard conversations, you know. Marty phel agreed, Why
do you feel agreed? We've got to have that discussion.
Why are they so far behind in so many different measures?
We have to grow up and have that bait before
we even talk about the other.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Well, thinking of the relationship with New Zealanders with the crown,
this is my little segue, I thought, yes, yes, that's
why I ordered that way. I did think that moment
where well, if I pronounce your name, Rang, I'm sorry,
are you show Letty Inger asked the king. We all
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wanted a hug, but only if that's okay with you,
And he goes a hug why not? And they have
this group hug with King Charles, and I just thought
that was a delight full little moment. What do you think,
bridget Oh, it just makes you smile.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
I absolutely thought it was delightful as well.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
What I love, though, is that you can see in
the background all the advisors sort of like struggling with it,
because on one hand, there is that rule you never
touch the monarch, you never touch royalty. But the other hand,
they have spent thousands and thousands of hours of trying
to make the monarchy relatable to people and make them
look like people as opposed to you know, these big
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sort are high up kings and queens that don't understand
what's happening in Britain and in the colonies. But they
just in one like one second, the black Ferns just
you know, moved that along like you know, hundreds of
years and so I do kind of love that he
went for it. He didn't even pause. It's just so authenticity,
which I think was lovely.
Speaker 6 (25:50):
I look at them and I think they're the best
of us. I love the black ferns. I just think
you know, they're multicultural there, that they share all those
different cultures and languages, and they all come together for
a common cause and they just everything they do with
they do with so joy. There's such a wonderful video
which I saw today of them going in and they
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basically learned about curtseying two minutes before they meet the king,
and then Ruby tooy. Did you see what Ruby toy
to the king? Which you had him suck.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
G He probably didn't even hear. Actually, I thought that
the woman, the woman who asked the silver fan, who
actually asked for the hug, she said she didn't know
his reaction until she saw the video later. She couldn't
see his expression. But I thought, actually, and curios to him.
I just sort of thought they all went in together,
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didn't they. Then here's the thing I think. I think
these things are that, you know, despite people, and when
the queen passed away and everything, and Charles has his detractors,
I think, actually he's going to be a pretty popular
monarch for that very human reason that we saw him
respond in such a normal human diplomat of fun, warm,
open up, inspirited fashion, don't you think, bridget.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
Yeah, absolutely, and you know, I am a monoicus, so
I was predisposed, I think, to seeing it as a
great moment, but it absolutely was the same. When the
Queen passed away, I was like, oh, we'd really have
to deal with King Charles until you know, he diplomatically
moves on. And I do think that that's, yeah, that's
changing that equation a bit more. And they've had a lot,
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you know, think in the last six months, they haven't
had been able to do a lot of public front
facing stuff because he's been unwell, Princes Kate's been unwell,
so they just, you know, I think that this was
a great kind of moment for them.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
I haven't even actually googled how much it got reported
in the international press, but it surely must.
Speaker 6 (27:38):
I think it's done the round, so I definitely think
it has. And also it's quite hilarious watching the British
comments on it, you know, reported as well, because it
kind of shocked that they touched them.
Speaker 5 (27:48):
It wasn't that long.
Speaker 6 (27:49):
Ago that Helen Clark got a bollocking for wearing trousers.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Remember that, and not from the Queen to by the way,
but it was from the poor.
Speaker 6 (28:02):
Keating put his hand on the Queen's back when she
escorting here in Australia about twenty years ago. That was
a huge scandal.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Wow, just as well.
Speaker 5 (28:11):
We've got a long way right.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Okay, we're going to be back in just a moment.
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one Roufradio shall be next with Ashley Church. We're going
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to ask if the market has lost well, if there's
going to be any more excitement in the market for
a while. Anyway, the moving on. We still got a
little bit of politics in a way, but it's not
so not so weightily political this question. But the government
is proposing well, they're looking at the question of having
one hundred and twenty kilometer in our speed limits. Waika
Kotahi has warned that roads would need would be more
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expensive to build and require new safety and engineering standards,
but they are pushing ahead with new speed limits to
enable motorists to travel one hundred and ten kilometers on
new and existing roads and national significant were they're actually
designed for that speed as far as I know anyway,
bridget I don't have a problem with all this. Let's
get around. What do you reckon?
Speaker 3 (29:10):
No, neither do I.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
I just think that it just doesn't need to be
something that got out to the trendy principles which only
need to spend that much time talking about it.
Speaker 5 (29:18):
Nothing to see here.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
This is terrible for me from you, I love talking
about politics. I'm like, no, not these ones.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
I'll try harder next time.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
It does seem like it's people that it's spending a
lot of time talking about this.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
I'm pretty happy actually to.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
Outsource the thinking on this the NZTA to the experts,
to make sure the roads are right, that we have
the ability to build this roads to these capacity, that
the roads could handle it, we should do it. Is
it actually a big political decision or is it just operational?
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Well, speaking of the experts, that those experts have said
that we can't be pushing those speed limits back from
thirty to fifty k and will result in an increase
in the road toll Well, and I say, I mean,
if you want to play the safety argument, we could
just go back to fifty kilometers now on the open road.
No one will die then either. Yeah, we could just
get to cars, I mean some horse and cart.
Speaker 6 (30:07):
Yeah that to someone who's been in an accident, though,
you know, like it is like by lifting the speed
limit just from thirty to fifty, you know, people will
die because because of the the the forces that are
implicit when you when you're hit at that speed. I
live in a country Germany, where there is no speed
limit on the auto barns. But when you crash, you
(30:29):
die is simple, you know.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Well, and sixty kilometers and here I mean we're talking about.
Speaker 5 (30:38):
One hundred and twenty probably means one hundred and thirty two.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Oh no, I'm thinking about the thirty to fifty one.
Oh yep. But look, the thing is, as you say,
you can ask people have been in an accident. But
I'm not sure if there are no But I mean,
but I'm not sure that narrow focus is the way
we want to is to look at the I'm not
sure if that's the way we want to run our
country as imagining the worst possible case scenario. Because if
you do that, you could ask, you could haggle or
(31:02):
argue to for all sorts of things which will round
the country to a whole, but no one would necessarily
be dying. And I sort of think, I think that
we get distracted from things like, okay, alcohol driving, Raise
the fine for using your cell phone to fifteen hundred bucks,
you know, you know, have serious consequences for people who
constantly make bad decisions when they're driving, rather than grinding
(31:25):
us all down pretending that we're going to try and
make it survivable if a pedestrian crosses the road in
front of someone in the city.
Speaker 5 (31:32):
Even our street.
Speaker 6 (31:33):
You know, I see people whipping down our street when
kids are walking down to school or going to school
and things like that, and all I want them to
do is to slow down. I mean, you do have
to think of that. If we're talking economics, the economics
of someone being banged up in hospital, the cost on
the health system, the cost on the on the economy
of taking them people out of the workforce is high.
(31:55):
You know, we're just yeah, I'm all for lowering the speeds,
and I may be in a minority here, I'm willing
to lowering them further. Oh my god, go jack up, mate.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
I guess I think I need to swap neighborhoods with Mark,
because I am just infuriated by some of my neighbors
who are driving at thirty five forty k's an hour
and a fifty k area. It's a straight road where
I live, and I'm just like, why are we driving
so slowly? So probably I've just got a bit of
road rage to deal with, from which means I'm not
a good judgment of whether or not wish a bit
increasing speed limits at all.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
I always think when we.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
Talk about the state of our roads, though, it always shocks.
Lots of my friends live in Australia. They come to
visit and the first time they've ever come across a
one lane bridge roads particularly like it just as a
whole nother level that they just don't even understand that
ye does work. How many have you built like particularly
when you get down the round the bottom of the
(32:48):
South Island, it is quite amazing.
Speaker 5 (32:49):
And even up north the road's up north are shocking
as well.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Oh yeah, stay Highway thirty five is actually that is
a road that we actually need to invest in because
that's actually dangerous regardless of what speed you're going on it.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
That is a dangerous road.
Speaker 5 (33:02):
I mean cars are safer, let's put it that way.
Speaker 6 (33:04):
I mean, you know you've got a better chance of
surviving now, but which maybe not getting that.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
It's funny.
Speaker 5 (33:10):
First place, I did a.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Defensive driving course as part of our They brought them
into our school back when I was you know, back
when you get your license when you're fifteen, and it's funny.
I actually it was very effective, even though it was
probably pretty old school. I still remember the lessons from
that defensive driving course and I think it's helped me
inod Stead because whenever I'm thinking of doing something silly,
there were things about the unexpected hazards that really sunk
(33:33):
into my mind. It was just about, you know, behind
that car, are you thinking that if you're driving along
and not paying attention of a kid runs out? Could
you stop? And I must say defensive driving courses, if
they've improved since I was younger, I'm sure they have
rock on.
Speaker 6 (33:46):
I definitely agree with your around phones, use of phones
and cars.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Yah, fifteen hundred buck bibs. Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
I that's so interesting because I did defensive driving as well.
Because you know, you get your license, I think the
time you spent on your restricted license cut down by
doing a defensive driving course. I remember zero from it.
I remember like going with my friend and having quale.
It fun, but I don't remember anything about driving safer.
So clearly you're a much British student than I was.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
To look at there's a lot I have forgotten at school,
trust me. For some reason. That and that maybe I
just had a good high protein lunch and I was
just fairly loose.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Oh you're taking it.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Didn't take it. Put that one down under the panel topic.
Speaker 6 (34:26):
It's almost like dogs, dogs and cats being eaten. If
a feeling it's going to be one of those.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Well, actually there's a solution to nurning mind. I just stopped.
We don't want to get canceled, and the canceled during
the panel. Guess what We're gonna have to take a
moment come back. But this is the panel News Talk
zd B, Mark Kreisel, Bridge at Morton. I'm Tim Beveridge
back in the tech. Yes, welcome back. This is the
(34:52):
weekend collective our panel, Bridge at Morton and Mark Kreisel. Now,
I actually this is a fascinating It's just amazing that
we've got to the stage where you can get a
privately funded space walk. So a billion and an engineer
have become the first non professional crew to perform one
of the riskiest maneuvers in space, a spacewalk. I don't
(35:13):
they To me, it looked like they just popped their
head out of the hatch bridget, but nevertheless quite phenomenal.
Would you would you ever go into space and stick
your head out and go I'll take a look?
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Yeah? Absolutely, Like, why would you not take that opportunity?
It looks amazing they did.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
I actually see they stepped out wiggled around their like
limbs because it's something to do with the space suits particularly.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
I didn't really understand that.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
I don't understand the science still, but essentially they were
sort of testing and demonstrating the fact that it's safe
for them to do so.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
But yeah, I would totally do it. What an amazing opportunity.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
I don't know, I just would. I would just be
I mean, the idea of being out there and doing
the space walk great. It's the taking off in a
rocket which would make me think, am I going to
be the one where oh you know, bomb?
Speaker 6 (35:59):
So this was private and they're not saying how much
it costs, but a lot of have suggested it would
have cost a couple of one hundred million dollars. That's
a couple of it's fifty five million just for a
seat on that flight.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Yeah, it's almost as change, almost as expensive as Auckland
to Queenstown during the ski season.
Speaker 5 (36:23):
I do.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
It's kind of interesting because I just think about the
fact I would absolutely say yes to that. But if
somebody seen me to go the opposite way down to
the bottom of the ocean and one of those that
have kept oh yeah, absolutely, no way, it's pretty much the.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Same thing, even if well, ah yeah, actually that's an
instant question. Would you rather do the spacewalk space and
risk explosion on? I don't know.
Speaker 6 (36:44):
It looks more fun, like that floaty thing moving around.
Speaker 4 (36:47):
And you get to see the Earth where it's like
down the ocean, just get to see darkness.
Speaker 6 (36:51):
Yeah, and those weird fish well journalists.
Speaker 5 (36:57):
Journalists have feelings.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Too, anyway, Look, I there would be a few nervous moments,
I imagine, but what must It's been an amazing experience apparently,
Just imagine looking out on that planet of ours and going, wow,
here I am, but I'd be totally surreal. I just
don't think I keep my head around it.
Speaker 5 (37:14):
No, it would be amazing. Also, the view of the
Earth must be incredible.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Mark Kreisel from Space The next story, there's a doco
for you. Just get the funding for that. I think
New Zealand on air might struggle for your ticket on
that one, Mark, but give it a go. I'll back
you up, hey, Bridget, take you up on that too.
From Mildly from Mildly positive Lately, Wellington, Bridget Morton, thanks
so much for joining us.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
Thank you, it's been an absolutely positively great.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
Time, marvelous and Mark Kreisel of course, always a pleasure,
big guy. Look forward to catching you guys again sometime soon. Okay,
that wraps up the panel. We'll be back for the
one roof radio show. Ashley Church is joining us. This
is News Talk saied B three and a half minutes
to four.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
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