September 21, 2024 • 40 mins
Today on The Panel, Tim Beveridge is joined by Frank Ritchie and Kyle MacDonald to discuss the biggest stories from the week that was.
Police numbers are up, gang numbers are down, the government wants to reduce jury trials, potential term length referendum, Hezbollah pager attacks, charges laid against P Diddy, student teacher numbers dropping, and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
You're listening to the Weekend Collective podcast from News Talk
Sibby debating all the issues and more. It's the panel
on the Weekend Collective on us Talk said, do.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
You remember September? Remember a very good afternoon?
Speaker 3 (01:12):
To you? Gosh, I felt like letting that tune just
roll on a bit of Earthwind and Father and my
producer Tyres really wanted to play that song because she
loves a themed tune, because it is, in fact, the
twenty first of September. And so there we go, and
even even my guest, who's I'm going about to introduce,
you'll be waiting with baited breath. Everyone's grooving in here.
It's just a bunch of people with questionable dance skills
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grooving while we're sitting in a seat. So you have
to you can all get an idea for how bad
that would look. Anyway, Welcome to the show. This is
the week in Collective for Saturday, twenty first of September.
I'm Tim Beveridge and looking forward to your company over
the next three hours and just a moment, I'm introducing
my panelists and following that just looking ahead. By the way,
there is no parents Squad today. Because we're going to
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be doing the rugby. Well I'm not. Luckily you don't
get beverage on sport commentating on the rugby. We actually
do have the voice of Rugby, otherwise known as the
voice of Karagate Chicken. I think it'll be Elliot Smith
commentating on the rugby and the build up from five o'clock.
But for four o'clock, Nicole Lewis is joining us. She's
a new Ish guest. He's been on the show once before,
and we're gonna just go have a chat about how
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come New Zealand house price is so expensive compared to
the rest of the world, and is there a moment
where it'suddenly going to even out? And what does that
mean for us? All all the big questions on the
one Ruff Radio shirt four o'clock. But right now it
is nine minutes past three and time for the panel
of my panelist. I don't know how to introduce him
because he's a good friend to you all, but also
I would imagine he's quite a good friend of Jesus.
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And his name is Frank Ritchie.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
I hope he and I are on really good terms.
And can I say, my friend, you you look good today?
I don't know if you've been exercising more or something,
but you look you're glowing.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
You look nice. It's just the zoom filter. Probably has
it given me more hair or something. Anyway, Hey, thank you. Actually,
Frank you yourself, by the way, Frank Ritchie by the way.
He is the sort of the sort of background on
his zoom because he's joining us on a very high
quality connection from his home office. But it's the sort
of home office you would gladly be on CNN or
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you know. It's got the bookcase, it's got a few
select titles there, and he's looking good.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
So just for you, just for you, mate, just bruce
it up. You might be the only person who ever
sees it, but your compliments make it all worthwhile.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Nice to have you on the show, Frank and joining me.
I'm not sure if I could describe him as a
good friend of Jesus, because I haven't delved into that
aspect of his metaphysics. But he is a psychotherapist who
specializes in addictions and the effects of trauma anxiety. Wow,
that does sound quite heavy if I put it that way.
But he's also one of the hosts of the Nutters
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Club and his name is Carmic Donald.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
Hey you going cured. I thank you. I think it
might be the chair dancing that's given you that glow.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Frank was doing it too. Actually, yeah, there is something
about trying to dance when you're sitting in a swivel
chair that doesn't look so.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
Look it just means that as a middle aged white male,
I've got an excuse as to why it doesn't look good.
Speaker 6 (04:09):
It's because I'm sitting down.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
I mentioned this last week when I might have been
doing a few moves. And I loved that expression that
Robin Williams coin coined. I think it was in Good
Morning Vietnam or something. He says doing the white man's overbite,
which is, you know, when you're sort of grooving, you're
just chewing your bottom lip with your top teeth. Anyway, Hey, guys,
nice to heavy on the show. Look, let's get into it.
So on the politics front, I did think there were
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some good headlines this week, and I loved the news
around the charging of just about everyone in the common
Cero's and the announcement that they're going to be charged.
Now they have been charged, and that was a nice
bit of good news there wasn't it, Frank.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Yeah, I agree that the Commoneros I think have been
a dangerous addition to our gang scene that has disrupted
things and made things significantly more violent. And the type
of lifestyle they convey I think needed to be It
needed to be stamped out to show it doesn't actually
pay to be part of the commonierro. So to see
the police all over them, I think is very welcome.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
What do you reckon, Kyle?
Speaker 5 (05:08):
Yeah, look, I harshly agree. I mean it's more complicated with,
of course the sort of historical New Zealand gangs when
we sort of look at their origins through the Royal
Commission and how we can sort of be more preventative.
But it does seem a lot more open and shut
with the common Cherias, doesn't it. It's just we don't
want people coming in and taking over that.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
So I've got a very good mate who's I actually
have described him as a superhero because he took a
couple of years off the police. He's a detective constable
I think, I hope I haven't demoted him, and you
know what he did with those two years, He became
an ambulance officer for two years now, he's still doing
a day every month and I sort of think, good,
you're amazing. You've taken years off the police to become
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an ambulance officer. But anyway, the round trip to that
mention is that I remember years ago when the common
Cherios first were making in roads and I said, what
are these guys like, mate? And he said, they make
the mongrel mold look like a bunch of kittens. He said,
they are really really nasty, but work. So if you're
going to have any gang, have all their members arrested.
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Common Cero's top of the tree a frank.
Speaker 6 (06:11):
Yeah, yeah, I entirely agree.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
And there are other gangs that are much smaller than
them here in New Zealand that are of a similar elk.
Have all come about because of the five oh one
deportees from Australia. So hopefully we see the police putting
the same pressure on them. But I just want to
acknowledge what Kyle said too. When it comes to other gangs,
they are extremely complicated and we've got a lot to
reckon with there when it comes to the abuse and
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care inquiry and the part that it played in the
formation of those gangs.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Yeah, yeah, I mean actually, be honest, they are multifaceted.
You've got people are doing some really bad stuff, and
then you've got other people who are sort of like kittens.
I've got to use that word once, but I'm not
sure they'd thank me for that description. But actually on
that thing, we didn't have it slated for conversations so much.
But I'm not sure if you saw the news where
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luxem got a little bit annoyed because Benedict I keep
wanting to call the benefit another freaking numbers. It's not
about the freaking numbers, but actually they were. There's no
argument they're revising the list of gang members, and it
will mean that they're putting some people off the list,
so long as they don't make a big song, dance
and go, look, we've reduced the number of gang members
just by editing a list. But I mean, it's common
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sense that there are people. What do they say? It's
like that I saw Vano Sullivan's colin was getting on
the gang list. Was like, it's like the Hotel California.
You can check out, but you can never leave. Well,
apparently you can. I thought it was a great line
for a column.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
By the way, Kyle, Yeah, look, I mean, and also
I guess the other angle on this is it's going
to be a lot more effective than just banning patches,
isn't it. Actually just dealing with the actual serious criminal
end of any gang is going to be much more effective.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Actually, god, we didn't have that slate of a conversation
as well, But there's so much on the gang front,
the banning of the patches. But yeah, the editing of
the gang list, I mean, let's just have an updated list.
It's pretty much, let's be updated with your facts and figures,
and they should have a line where they can sign on,
go online and tell us which tribe you're part.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Of, do a survey and get yourself pack and save
a true or something on that though, I would say
to people watch it, watch those lists like a hawk,
because we hear those lists getting edited. But politicians, politicians
are sneaky when it comes to the editing lists, and
they're making it look like they've done something amazing by
reducing crime or getting people off benefits or getting people
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into work. All they're doing sometimes is just changing definitions.
So I'd say it's worth keeping an eye on.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
That, and that's probably why it was fair enough that.
I mean, it's good that we're discussing it, because I
don't think they are going to play that game, because
we know that they've edited the list simply to have
better up to date information. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
Anyway, how very uncynical of you, Tim, I can be
quite uncynical at times. Statistics, statistics and damnsty Yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Know you're right. Actually, I'm a little bit fifty to
fifty on the on the I'm sixty forty maybe on
the gang patch ban. I think I support the general
notion of banning the patches, but I think the one
of going even people's home was a really you know
that's good, a little bit too big brotherish. Even though
I don't like gangs, I actually still tend to err
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on the side of things that, for instance, hasn't if
you're a Nazi, then I want to know it, you
know what I mean, apart from the intimidation side.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Frank, Yeah, I guess there's there's the chance that some
of this stuff could be pushed underground. And I know
that people are really anti gangs, but we still need
to be really careful with human rights stuff as well.
Speaker 6 (09:30):
Even with the people that.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
We don't like human rights need to apply to everybody.
And I know there are some human rights discussions going
on around where the gang patch should be banned and
where it shouldn't be banned.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Yeah, and I think I actually agree with you much
as there will be probably texts come through and go
no whatever makes the gang's lives uncomfortable. I think, you know,
we have to have laws that are consistent and when
it comes to removing intimidation, then fine. But expression slippery slope.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
Oh, it's really slippery slope where you know tattoos jat
gang patches, you know, team.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Does it all that big bushy beard of yours that
labels you as a don pregne on socialist.
Speaker 5 (10:09):
Well, we might want to ban Wallaby jumpers today, so
maybe maybe with a canary yellow.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Actually, to be honest, I don't think we feel intimidated
by the Wallabies colors these days. But famous last words
guys are anyway, nah.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
Na, the All Blacks are gonna wipe that. We've just
done it with South Africa. We've been done by South Africa.
Australia is our chance to give a team a wallopping Yeah.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
I love your optimism. I'm terra wallabying. I'm a complete
Raby tragic, but I'm terrible at picking sports results. I'm
reverse psychology myself and picking the Wallabies by seven.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
And I you know what, I wish I'd put money
on some of the Warriors results this year because we
have the sports rap and then a couple of times
it's been like, hay, what what's happened? The Warriors have
lost the last couple Okay, and they're up against what
the best team in the in the competition. Well, they're
going to win, of course, and of course they do.
They usually do those. Anyway, there we go. Hey, the
government wants to reduce jury trials as one of the
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big delayers in our courts. Here's an interesting thing. If
you guys were charged with a crime, Kyle, Yeah, if
you were, let's say, actually, let's not care where you're
guilty or innocent.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
I'm just wondering what crabe you think of you?
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Oh, actually, let's not let's speculate on that. No, let's
not speculate, and then it'll just go down a slippery slope.
But actually, what would you rather you were charged with
a serious offense, Let's say your innocence, because you know,
you seem like you would be who would you rather decide?
A jury or a judge?
Speaker 5 (11:36):
Judge? Absolutely? Yeah, yeah, I mean I sort of like
the idea of jury trials and principle. It seems like
one of those sort of democratic cornerstones. But the principle
is a jury of your peers, and I sort of
wonder how that can happen. I mean, if you take
the Pockinghorn trial right like six eight weeks whatever it was,
ten weeks, it's probably going to be start to finish.
How many people can you actually find that can do
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jury service for that long? And you know, so what
does that do in terms of skewing the kinds of
people are we predominantly old, predominant those not in paid work.
I mean, I just sort of think judges are trained
to actually make these determinations.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
I think if I was guilty, i'd want a jury
because I think they can be I could think I
think they can beat it. Yeah. Well, I can think
of some high profile trials which I probably won't mention
right now. Frank, what would you go for? What would
you be charged with? Frank, I don't know what I
would be change for me in a loose moment, I think.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
We've removed those laws now, haven't we.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Maybe that's why I'm making it up as I go along.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
But if I was doing if I'd committed the crime,
I think i'd want a jury because I'm a classic
guy who thinks he can do anything, and so I
think I could manipulate a jury in a way that
I couldn't manipulate a judge. So I'd want a jury.
But but then there's the flip side of this, where,
according to the article that we're that you fired through,
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it takes way longer to go through a trial that
involves a jury. So if you choose a jury, everything's
going to take a whole lot longer. So if you
want to get through it fairly quickly and you're fairly
certain of your innocence, you might as well go a judge.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Also, if you look like a sweet sort of innocent guy,
you don't have to give evidence. All you do is
you sit there looking like Frank Ritchie and everyone's going
to be I just can't believe he would have done
such a terrible thing. Not guilty. I can think of
a case where I think that was probably the predominant
decision evolving and I didn't crime back into Neden days.
But anyway, there we go four year terms. Just quickly, guys,
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four year terms. Luxin's open to a four year term.
I'm open to a four year term when I like
the government, and I'm open to a two year term
when I don't.
Speaker 5 (13:40):
I think everyone is open to a four year term
when they're in governments. Yeah, that's surprise that Lackson's all
for it. No, but look, in all seriousness, I think
it's probably not such a bad idea that the three
year term is really frustrating for longer term projects like infrastructure,
like you know, making significant changes to the health system.
We've already seen that. And I think what we're seeing
with this government, regardless of whether you agree or disagree
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with the direction they're taking, there's this sense that of
flip flopping backward and forwards to putting something in place
or just starting to get something underway, and then the
next lot comes in and takes it away, and then
it sort of feels like we don't get anywhere.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
I think the problem is, Frank, is that people wouldn't
vote in a I don't mean this in a judgmental
way on people because I'd be one of them. But
I think you would vote not based on whether you
like a three or four year term, but whether you
want three or four more years of this particular government.
You know, if you think it's if you think you're
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going to be on the losing side, you're going to go, oh,
I want a three year term. Yeah, And so no
one's ever going to really philosophically, honestly sit back and go, Okay,
let's pretend that we have just the perfect government for
the next few years. How you know, you know what
I mean to remove their own.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
And whoever's in government is going to is going to
play quite heavily on the emotions if it goes to
a referendum. I think the bigger issue here is the
inability of our major parties in particular to come up
with cross party agreement on some big thing so that
the flip flopping stops. So I think we need some
long term agreement around health, we need long term agreement
around an education, and we need long term agreement around infrastructure.
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If we could agree long term for some long term
things on those things, so that no matter who comes in,
we know where we're going, We're not going to get
the flip flop. I think this issue becomes less of
an issue.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
What we need there is a great big I mean,
you know, but that's the problem with politics is that
we all want the same I think we all generally
want the same outcomes that politics comes in because we
all have different philosophies on how to get there, don't
you think.
Speaker 5 (15:42):
Kyle, apart from cycle Ways.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Let's not go there.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
No, But I mean I say that and yes, but
actually I think one of the problems at the moment
is the so called kind of culture war, you know,
bullet point sort of talking points. I mean, cycle Ways
one example. We could probably think of it another few
which would provoke as much of a response. But I
agree with Frank. I think, actually, how do we get politicians.
What's the incentive for working across the center Island? I mean,
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the whole Westminster system's kind of set up to just
lob insults at each other and question time, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
But actually that's great for that.
Speaker 5 (16:17):
You know, some big overarching targets that everybody has to
work towards would be fantastic.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Yeah, Okay, we better take a break. I think we'll
come back. We've got so much to talk about in
this in this panel, so stick around. My guests are
Cal McDonald and Frank Ritchie. We'll be back in time. Actually,
I'm just reveling in the idea that if you were
to ever appear on charges, Frank, if we just bring
back those blasphemy roles, would be like did you hear
the latest Frank Ritchie? Who would have thought it done?
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For he blasphemed?
Speaker 6 (16:48):
He?
Speaker 3 (16:48):
I mean, it wouldn't have been so bad if he
hadn't been in the pulpit at the time. Anyway, Gosh,
my imaginations are running right on me at the moment
twenty three and a half past three, back in just
a Moment's about me? Two ways, a Plan, the Red
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Wine and the Way to the Chief.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Can at you Saturday Sun.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
And welcome back to the show. This is the Wee
Can Collective. My panel for the afternoon. I'm t beverage,
by the way. My panel lists are the Reverend, Frank,
Richie and the non Reverend Car McDonald. I don't know,
I just sort of feel I've got to have some
sort of title in there. What should we call you?
If we're going to give you a title, Carl, what
would we give you.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
A psychotherapist works.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Oh yeah, but we can't say hi, it's like Sir
Kyle or mister Kyle or Reverend Kyle.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
Or I mean, Frank might disagree with this, but some
people have described psychotherapists as a secular priest.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
So yeah, no, that fits.
Speaker 6 (18:06):
I think.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
I think, yeah, I think our psychologists, our mental health
workers do an amazing week. So I'd go with that.
But there's another option. On our show on a Sunday
evening at six pm, I'm known as the Reverend and
my co host Jacks is the reprobate, so I can
know that.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
Works for me.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Reprobate. That's actually if you genuinely reprobate, what is what
is that? To me? It's it's pretty bad.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
A naughty person. I just hear a naughty person.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Yeah, okay, well we're going to be talking about a
naughty person later on. By the way. Now, on the
international front, I'll tell you what I think. If there
was one organization you do not want to get on
the wrong side of, it would probably be Mossad. The
patre attack on the members of his BOLLA and the
planning it must have gone into it and then a
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day later for exploding walkie talkies. Of course, there are
always unfortunately tragic collateral damage as well, but blimey, it's
I mean, I have to say it's sort of pretty
impressive in terms of a plan, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
Kyle, Yeah, it's it's terrifying. Actually. I think, you know,
someone needs to de escalate what's going on in the Middleast.
It seems the only mover is to anti up. I
did see an interesting editorial actually, when someone pointed out
that that, you know, it's really interesting how you can
miss the way we bias these things in the West
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and see them through a particular ends. You know, if
you travel internationally, a lot of countries are still requiring
you to take your shoes off because of some crazy
shoe bombing. And they pointed it. I wonder if they're
going to be stopping people taking pages and walkie talkies
and other mobile devices on planes now. Um, And they
won't be, will they.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
I don't know who takes a pager or a walkie
talkie anywhere. When was the last time. I mean, you've
got probably a pager just connecting you with things that
are a bit more subliminal. I guess Frank.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
Sorry, A page to the divine?
Speaker 6 (20:00):
Yeah, I have one of these.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Give me Jesus on the line. But that's another song
I'm thinking, but I can't think of it right now.
But anyway, have you ever had a page?
Speaker 6 (20:11):
No?
Speaker 1 (20:11):
No?
Speaker 4 (20:12):
I came into the tech world in terms of age
a little after pages are a big thing, so mobile phones.
Speaker 6 (20:19):
I came into the mobile phone world.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
But this operation, when you think about it, because the
reports are that the explosive devices were attached to the
phones or placed in the phones before they made their
way into Lebanon, So they managed to get those into
Lebanon undetected and into people's hands. Like as an operation,
that's phenomenal. I think this is Mossa to trying to
remind people that it's going to get you wherever and whenever.
Speaker 6 (20:43):
But I'm with Kyle.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
If this thing keeps escalating like it's all sitting on
a tinder box at the moment, and if Israel keeps
pushing his blah, it's going to have to fight a
war on two fronts in Gaza against his BLA. It's
got Yemen firing missiles in as well. It's a dangerous,
dangerous situation.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
I wonder what would happen if a mass actually handed
back all the hostages. I wonder what would happen. Do
you think that would call an end to it? Because
that's what that's what it originates from.
Speaker 5 (21:09):
I'm not sure you could unbomb Gaza though, could you?
Speaker 1 (21:12):
No?
Speaker 3 (21:12):
But I mean, but what would what would happen as
a result of that?
Speaker 4 (21:15):
Yeah, I think Israel would be Nettaya, who in particular
would be in a really tricky political situation then, because
he's made statements about the capabilities of Hamas that he wants.
Speaker 6 (21:26):
To deal to.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
But if the with all the protests that have been
happening in Israel, if all those hostages just got handed back,
the pressure would be on him to just stop.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Well, I know that's why I think it'd be a
great idea if maybe hand the hostages back and see
what happens. That wouldn't that be amazing just to see
if what would happen, Because you know, there's all this
took about ceasefars and stuff. It's like, well, howd the
hostage is back? And maybe I'd love to see that
pressure switch in the other direction, because I think Netanyahu,
who strikes me as being well he was under corruption
charges before this all blew up. Sorry Liz, sorry for
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the metaphor there.
Speaker 5 (21:59):
Yeah, no, look, I guess the cynical views, I'd actually
think it would make most difference. I think Israel has
continued to use these attacks on it as an excuse
to expand this territory. I mean, they were expanding territory
into the Westbank prior to the events of October last year.
So you know, certainly it's escalated, but you know, their
policy has been pretty clear.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Although if I was going to add the counter to that,
the leaders of Hezbal are worth billions. They've taken money
from Iran. They've enriched themselves. Instead of building us a
state where they could where they might build something some prosperity,
They're literally they've built an underground world based on attacking Israel,
which is more complex than the London underground. Imagine if
they'd use that money to try and build a prosperous state.
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But I think I actually believe their hatred for Israel
is greater than the love of their own people. I
just think it's all tied up with religion and centuries
old animosities, and it's I'm just laud i don't live there.
It would be there not just.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
Said I agree with you when it comes to Hamas.
Hamas are thugs and they do no good for their
own people. The difficulty with what Israel is doing right
now is it's for entering another generation who are just
going to see that the only way that they can
do anything is by picking up a gun. I've spent
time in the West Bank, I've spent time in Israel.
I've spent time helping to educate young people in Palestine
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and how they can raise their voice without picking up
a gun. This sort of thing completely undoes that sort
of work, and it's really sad to watch it play out.
Speaker 6 (23:26):
That's dreadful.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Absolutely. Hey, I was going to say on too happier things,
but it's not happier things. It's different stuff. And look,
given it. It is three point thirty three in the afternoon,
and we have been talking about some heavy stuff with
his baller, of course, but p did he the charges
that have been laid out. He has been refused bail
and when he offered fifty million dollars, and he's up
(23:49):
against some he's up on some pretty well. He's up
on some pretty serious charges. I think this is going
to get worse and worse. But here's the fact that
I just I just thought we'd seize upon to see
if I could find a lighter angle to this. Is
there an innocent, sort of harm harmless explanation for why
you would have a massed more than a thousand bottles
of baby oil in your home? Is there a positive
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use for that baby oil that we can think of? Kyle?
Speaker 5 (24:15):
It's hard not to see it as a smoking gun,
isn't it.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
I mean, or a libricated gun.
Speaker 5 (24:21):
It's a horrific story, and I think, unfortunately, you know
everything that I understand of you know, sort of big
characters in the music industry through this twentieth century, it's
on form. I mean, there's so much exploitation in that industry.
But you're right, it's kind of you can't really argue
any innocent use for that much baby oil. I think
he's for a swimming pool.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
I mean, I don't know, a thousand bottles.
Speaker 7 (24:43):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
I was just trying to find some way where we
could avoid talking about how horrendous it is the charges
he's facing them. Seriously, he has the package he was
proposing to let him out of jail was fifty million
dollars bond signed by him, his mother and other family members,
as well as home detention, surrender of his passport, weekly
drug tests, and a visitor log that would be submitted
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to pre trial services. And the judge said, no, not enough.
He's in deep duds, isn't he, Frank.
Speaker 6 (25:10):
He is, very much so.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
And it's really interesting reading the defense and their arguments
and the things that they're saying in order to kind
of skirt some stuff, Like there was a line in
there about how they there was no coercion, which says
that a lot of this stuff probably went on. It's
just the question of whether it was consensual or not.
I mean, I remember reading up to the eyeballs, yeah,
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I mean I remember reading years ago, and this was
never denied him having parties where if you turned up
at the party, you had to be able to prove
that you had groomed your nether regions in a particular manner,
otherwise you're not going to make it in. I mean,
that sort of stuff that makes it out into the
public says that there's probably a whole lot of other
stuff going on that we can't see. So I think
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he's in big trouble.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
This is where Frank tells us he's had some great
parties that he did, but he doesn't.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
That's apolo.
Speaker 5 (26:06):
There's a lot where the blasphemin.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
I apologize.
Speaker 6 (26:10):
I apologize, lads.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Kyle, you were going to add I was just going
to say.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
It's a bit like Weinstein, isn't it. I mean when
they talk about exploitation versus you know, consent and so on.
I think when when you have young people who are
vulnerable and are wanting to enter a particular kind of industry,
does it implied exploitation as soon as you step through
the door, isn't there?
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Yeah? I think it's well, he's in deep trouble and
if he's guilty of what he's been charged of, then
I've got zero sympathy from maybe he's a keen cyclist.
I mean, there we go, I found an innocent You
go for a cycle ride and you need a bottle
of baby oil to get rid of that chafing.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
But it doesn't just just show the danger of power
and fame where you get into a world where you've
got such a bubble that you think you can do
anything and just end up damaging people's lives.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Well who, I don't know who said it. Power corrupts
and absolute power corrupts. Absolutely. I can't tell you many
times that expression pops into my head when you see
someone in a very powerful, influential situation.
Speaker 5 (27:07):
And completely that for rails the data back there up Actually,
to Mamey, what we see is that whatever level of
narcissism somebody starts at, which might be quite low, it
might be quite high. Generally, fame and wealth tends to
increase that fairly exponentially. And the more fame and wealth,
the more narcissism it tends to create.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Yeah, indeed, look, we're going to take quick break just
to sort of have a cup of teen to lie
down after that one, and we'll be back in just
a moment. It's so twenty two minutes, two four news talks.
Speaker 6 (27:34):
He'd be.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Hello, right, something happened there? I think Tyra got so
excited about getting into that. Was that abba there? That
was really abrupt? I thought we'd gone off here for
a second. Hi, this is the weekend collective. Just check
that that's still working. Hit that button just for three
seconds so we can hear that tune there, Tara, Ah,
there we go. Eh, we go. Oh, when I kissed
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the teacher? Ah, there we go. That's why it's a thing,
because Tyra loves the themes tune. And I'm absolutely going
through a really tragic aber phase right now. I don't
know why, but I'm really I've been flogging abber for
weeks and I just don't get sick of it anyway.
But the reason we're talking about when I kissed the
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teacher is not because of another headline I've read recently,
but the number of the students who are studying to teachers.
By the way, I should say, we've just come back
from the break. I forgot to reintroduce my guests. It's
car MacDonald and Frank Ritchie as my panelist today. But
the Teaching Council of our toa Roha, New Zealand says
half as many Kiwis are signing out to become teachers
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than they were in twenty ten. And a part of
me is not surprised because teachers are the permanent bloody
whipping boys and girls of talkback for one and the media.
And Kyle, you're the chair of the board at your
school children's school. What do you know?
Speaker 5 (29:06):
Look, well, the first thing I would say is I
actually think teaching is I didn't really realize this until
I got involved in my kids called it is an
extremely difficult job, not only in terms of the hours worked,
but in terms of the emotional load. We expect teachers
to be sports coached on top of teaching right now,
sports coaches, social workers, you know, administrators, principals are CEOs
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of large organizations effectively, so it's an incredibly tough job.
And you're right. I think one of the unfortunate things
is that once something becomes a political football, like education
has for the last few years, then it inevitably drains
and takes an emotional toll on teachers. When you're just
constantly hearing in the media, you know more or less
you're not doing a good enough job, and we need
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to tell you how, as politicians, how to do your job.
So it doesn't surprise me. In fact, one of the
things that I've heard, and I'm not one hundred percent
sure of this, but heard a rumor that actually the
three year teaching program here in Auckland doesn't have any
enrollments for next year, so they're not going to be
running a year of training next year, and you can
still be a teacher by doing the one year ploma.
But I know from our school we really struggle to
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find relievers and struggle to find staff. And this is
a good Discil nine disulteen school with great resources, and
we're struggling to find staff.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Well, my wife is a deputy principal and she's back
in the class because they can't find someone to go
into the overflow classes. They recruit, not recruit. As they
enroll more youngsters who turn five or and are about
to start school, they couldn't find anyone. So she's doing
two jobs at the moment. But the only thing I'd
tell people who are doing talkback, whoever call talkback in
one of a good crack at the teachers. The reason
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you don't hear teachers calling up to defend themselves is
because they're too busy.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
Frank, Yeah, I find this really really sad. I mean,
there are a number of holes we need to climb
out of as a country. The only way we can
be successful is with education. And if you think about
those of us who have achieved anything in the world,
we can probably point back and point to teachers who
have led us up to some aspect of life in
the world that we otherwise wouldn't have had if it
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wasn't for our teachers. And to know that now having
to deal with things like anxiety, broken families, all that
sort of stuff over and above just trying to light
their kids up to education. I think our teachers are
worth their weight in gold. And again, if we want
to go anywhere as a nation, we desperately need good teachers.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Yeah, I don't know what to do. I don't know
what we're going to do about this, because at some
stage we're going to have to turn and maybe has
it always been that case that teachers have been There's
been always negative publicity that would turn people up becoming teachers,
But was it Do we really need to radically change
something about that profession where people think, oh, I I'd
love to do that sounds amazing.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
I don't think there has been. I think it comes
back to the statistics. Like a lot of the ways
in which the data is thrown out there, like the
attendance data, for instance, was I think at times willfully
misrepresented by politicians to suggest that actually we had a
much larger problem that we did. And I think similarly
some of the achievement data. You know, we're still very
squarely in the top sort of ten for most achievement datas.
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But of course what we're seeing around the world is
a slide in these things. And it's not just New Zealand.
That's the other thing, you know, it's not just us
who's struggling with how to shift our education models into
the future.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Sorry, Frank, I didn't have a mic on there you go.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
I'd say we've got to be mindful of the COVID
bulge as well in health and education, but in education
in particular, there's a whole cohort now of young people
whose education was disrupted for a couple of years. I
think about my own daughter's high school experience. There was
not one high school year for her because she started
in the year that COVID hit. There wasn't one high
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school year that wasn't hasn't been disrupted that's going to
have an impact. Thankfully, she's a diligent, self motivated learner,
but a lot of kids aren't, so we're going to
be dealing with that now. I think for there's a
whole generation that's going to move through our system that
have been impacted by that and the teachers are currently
having to be at the brunt of that.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
And I constantly remind myself as well not to disengage
ever from my kids. Learning is keep in touch with them.
What are you doing today? And what did you do
if you're go on your homework, and just keeping in
touch with them and not taking it for granted that
everything's covered because I think, you know, that's what we
should do anyway.
Speaker 5 (33:15):
It's the other danger I think with the education becoming
a political footballers, I think increasing and I kind of
get it. You know, parents are really really busy and
stressed out themselves, but I think a lot of the
pressure on teachers these days often comes from parents feeling
like it's all on teachers. One of the you know,
really encouraging data points when it comes to being a
parent is that one of the strongest predictors of your
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child's literacy is reading to them for half an hour
every day from the age of three. So absolutely, you
know that's not in teacher's hands.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
No, exactly. Hey, by the way, chair of the board,
how long have you been involved as a board member.
Speaker 5 (33:52):
I've I think twenty eighteen I started on the board.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
And when did you become chair a couple of years ago.
Good stuff and what made you want to be on
the board.
Speaker 5 (34:01):
Oh look, I mean I'm always keen to sort of
find way to give a little bet you. It's a
voluntary roll, I mean there's a small payment. But I
also think it's important to support the institutions like schools
that are actually doing great work.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
Good on you because I must. I mean I wouldn't
be probably because my wife's actually a staff member. That
would look a bit but weird. Probably, But anyone who
takes time out to spend to contribute to try and
drive initiatives for new buildings and fundraising and stuff. Board
members of schools, you know the ones who are doing
great job? They rock man, Hey, Frank.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
Yeah, which is why I think we need to move
Kyle from being the reprobate to the sat Saint Kyle.
Speaker 5 (34:41):
Like coming from you, Frank, that really does mean something.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Anyway, tell you what We'll come back by the next
topic in just a moment. It is twelve minutes for
this is News Talk z B.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Crisis.
Speaker 6 (35:00):
I need to be.
Speaker 7 (35:02):
Felt welcome back. This is a week in collective.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
Coming towards the end of the panel, my panelists Carle
MacDonald and the Reverend Frank Ritchie, the Reprobate Carmic. I
can't say that. I can't say that about Reprobate.
Speaker 5 (35:24):
Saint Kyle McDonald's Saint Kyle Stkyle.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
I'm gonna come up with some of the I know
there's another title there. I've just got to work out
what it is. Anyway, Hey, just quickly on Instagram the
changes that are being rolled out in other countries around ages.
Instagram's introducing ten accounts with automatic protections for young people
under sixteen. Australia, we're looking at doing a legal age
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for this, and I'd be honest, I love it because
the one thing I want to be able to say
to my daughters is like, honey, you can't have that
account now, and because it'll be breaking the law. I
just love that. Back up, Frank, what do you think?
Speaker 4 (35:58):
Yeah, I'm in total agreement. All the research shows that
the increase in anxiety and depression among young people tends
to track with the creation of social media. So I
think the more we can get there self esteem detached
from social media, the better.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
Then go Kyle.
Speaker 5 (36:14):
Yeah, I like the I like the nuance of this.
I have to say it's a step in the right direction.
I'm not one hundred percent convinced. I'm probably about ninety
percent convinced on the banning with a certain age because
I think that there is still some benefit and there's
some nuance. And I'm still not sure which ones they
would ban exactly, because I think it's also true that
there is possible to use them in healthy ways. But
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I agree that the research is starting to show pretty
clearly that the younger you start, the worse the effects
tend to be. And one of the things that threw
me in favor of a band was someone pointed out
the other day that it becomes easier to be the
hold out that the struggle. And I think we'll probably
be in this role because my kids don't have any
social media yet, as being the holdout parents, as being
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the only ones who won't love kids haven't.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
Because almost is socially isolating. We did it with it.
Speaker 5 (37:03):
There's a negative impact of that.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Yeah, I like it good on Instagram at least for
having their teen accounts where they have automatic posts a
private There's a few things they're doing too, and my.
Speaker 5 (37:14):
Facebook messenger has a Facebook message of kids, for instance,
which shuts a whole bunch of things down, which is
quite useful.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
Of course, it might make it very uncool, of course,
and unpopular, and then some other player comes in and
we're away again.
Speaker 4 (37:25):
But it's interesting though. I was just talking to a
friend this morning whose child is at high school and
doesn't have any social media, didn't have a smartphone, ended
up with a smartphone because apparents didn't need to be
able to get in touch. But it was really noticeable,
and it'd be interesting to know if there's a correlation.
But going around doing their staff teacher interviews, that every
single teacher noted how this young lady's attention span was
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so much better than anybody else in the classroom. Now,
of course it's only anecdotal that that's related to social
media use. But when you think about scrolling through Instagram, reels, TikTok, etc.
We only have to focus for a very little while,
it seems to make sense.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Hey, just one last thing. Pizza Hut's got its fiftieth
anniversary and they've launched an unlimited basically a buffet all
you can eat unlimited chips, garlic, bread, and soft drinks
are back on the menu. I can't think of something
that sounds more disgusting to me. You guys nostalgic for
the old pizza sort of.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
We need to point out we need to point out
here that it's only in one place, City Works Depot
in Auckland, only for a few days, and it'll cost
your thirty bucks. So it's not the old school cheap
all you can eat. But I can't eat like a
teenager anymore. Buffets just don't work for me now if
I try it. If I tried that, I'd probably spend
a week recovering from it.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
I'm also deeply suspicious of chain pizzas I would only
ever go to a pizza place where they have their
own recipes and it's their own sort of ven. It's
the local guys set up his own.
Speaker 5 (38:48):
You want the bougie pizza, Yeah, I want your your
chardonnay socialist.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
Sort of pizza.
Speaker 5 (38:54):
I have very very fond student memories of the old ones.
I think it was like seven ninety five or something.
It was really cheaper all you could eat on a
Tuesday night. And sometimes you'd skip the pizza and just
go straight to the dessert.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
But sometimes the pizza straight to the chunder. Was there
beer involved with these events? I think there might have
been a little bit of preloading. Yeah, that's preloading is
a generational thing. I totally isn't it. Yeah, anyway, let's
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not discuss generational things, should we, guys? Hey, thanks so
much for your time, chaps.
Speaker 5 (39:33):
Pleasure.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
Of course, Kyle, you'll be You're both back on here tomorrow.
It's our Sunday guys.
Speaker 5 (39:39):
It's Touchy Philly Sunday Night on the Sunday specials on
a Saturday.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
Yeah, so the Nutters Club from PM tomorrow night you
and of course you've got Sunday at six Frank.
Speaker 4 (39:48):
Which happens to be at six funny there. Hey, and
how can I just say, always a pleasure to broadcast
with you, tom and this being the first time I've
been on the panel with Kyle as a lover of
Kyle's work, a real pleasure.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Cheers ring, Oh fantastic. Look can you feel the love tonight?
Should be the song we go out with, but it'll
be something. Hey, thanks so much. If you've missed any
of our panel, you can go and check it out.
Look for the Weekend Collective podcast Actually not where a podcasts,
Just go to iHeartRadio and sort of that. From then,
we'll be back with Nicole Lewis for the one roof
radio show This is News Talk z bar.
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
You remember September? Remember a very good afternoon?
Speaker 3 (01:12):
To you? Gosh, I felt like letting that tune just
roll on a bit of Earthwind and Father and my
producer Tyres really wanted to play that song because she
loves a themed tune, because it is, in fact, the
twenty first of September. And so there we go, and
even even my guest, who's I'm going about to introduce,
you'll be waiting with baited breath. Everyone's grooving in here.
It's just a bunch of people with questionable dance skills
(01:35):
grooving while we're sitting in a seat. So you have
to you can all get an idea for how bad
that would look. Anyway, Welcome to the show. This is
the week in Collective for Saturday, twenty first of September.
I'm Tim Beveridge and looking forward to your company over
the next three hours and just a moment, I'm introducing
my panelists and following that just looking ahead. By the way,
there is no parents Squad today. Because we're going to
(01:58):
be doing the rugby. Well I'm not. Luckily you don't
get beverage on sport commentating on the rugby. We actually
do have the voice of Rugby, otherwise known as the
voice of Karagate Chicken. I think it'll be Elliot Smith
commentating on the rugby and the build up from five o'clock.
But for four o'clock, Nicole Lewis is joining us. She's
a new Ish guest. He's been on the show once before,
and we're gonna just go have a chat about how
(02:19):
come New Zealand house price is so expensive compared to
the rest of the world, and is there a moment
where it'suddenly going to even out? And what does that
mean for us? All all the big questions on the
one Ruff Radio shirt four o'clock. But right now it
is nine minutes past three and time for the panel
of my panelist. I don't know how to introduce him
because he's a good friend to you all, but also
I would imagine he's quite a good friend of Jesus.
(02:41):
And his name is Frank Ritchie.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
I hope he and I are on really good terms.
And can I say, my friend, you you look good today?
I don't know if you've been exercising more or something,
but you look you're glowing.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
You look nice. It's just the zoom filter. Probably has
it given me more hair or something. Anyway, Hey, thank you. Actually,
Frank you yourself, by the way, Frank Ritchie by the way.
He is the sort of the sort of background on
his zoom because he's joining us on a very high
quality connection from his home office. But it's the sort
of home office you would gladly be on CNN or
(03:15):
you know. It's got the bookcase, it's got a few
select titles there, and he's looking good.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
So just for you, just for you, mate, just bruce
it up. You might be the only person who ever
sees it, but your compliments make it all worthwhile.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Nice to have you on the show, Frank and joining me.
I'm not sure if I could describe him as a
good friend of Jesus, because I haven't delved into that
aspect of his metaphysics. But he is a psychotherapist who
specializes in addictions and the effects of trauma anxiety. Wow,
that does sound quite heavy if I put it that way.
But he's also one of the hosts of the Nutters
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Club and his name is Carmic Donald.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
Hey you going cured. I thank you. I think it
might be the chair dancing that's given you that glow.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Frank was doing it too. Actually, yeah, there is something
about trying to dance when you're sitting in a swivel
chair that doesn't look so.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
Look it just means that as a middle aged white male,
I've got an excuse as to why it doesn't look good.
Speaker 6 (04:09):
It's because I'm sitting down.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
I mentioned this last week when I might have been
doing a few moves. And I loved that expression that
Robin Williams coin coined. I think it was in Good
Morning Vietnam or something. He says doing the white man's overbite,
which is, you know, when you're sort of grooving, you're
just chewing your bottom lip with your top teeth. Anyway, Hey, guys,
nice to heavy on the show. Look, let's get into it.
So on the politics front, I did think there were
(04:31):
some good headlines this week, and I loved the news
around the charging of just about everyone in the common
Cero's and the announcement that they're going to be charged.
Now they have been charged, and that was a nice
bit of good news there wasn't it, Frank.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Yeah, I agree that the Commoneros I think have been
a dangerous addition to our gang scene that has disrupted
things and made things significantly more violent. And the type
of lifestyle they convey I think needed to be It
needed to be stamped out to show it doesn't actually
pay to be part of the commonierro. So to see
the police all over them, I think is very welcome.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
What do you reckon, Kyle?
Speaker 5 (05:08):
Yeah, look, I harshly agree. I mean it's more complicated with,
of course the sort of historical New Zealand gangs when
we sort of look at their origins through the Royal
Commission and how we can sort of be more preventative.
But it does seem a lot more open and shut
with the common Cherias, doesn't it. It's just we don't
want people coming in and taking over that.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
So I've got a very good mate who's I actually
have described him as a superhero because he took a
couple of years off the police. He's a detective constable
I think, I hope I haven't demoted him, and you
know what he did with those two years, He became
an ambulance officer for two years now, he's still doing
a day every month and I sort of think, good,
you're amazing. You've taken years off the police to become
(05:48):
an ambulance officer. But anyway, the round trip to that
mention is that I remember years ago when the common
Cherios first were making in roads and I said, what
are these guys like, mate? And he said, they make
the mongrel mold look like a bunch of kittens. He said,
they are really really nasty, but work. So if you're
going to have any gang, have all their members arrested.
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Common Cero's top of the tree a frank.
Speaker 6 (06:11):
Yeah, yeah, I entirely agree.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
And there are other gangs that are much smaller than
them here in New Zealand that are of a similar elk.
Have all come about because of the five oh one
deportees from Australia. So hopefully we see the police putting
the same pressure on them. But I just want to
acknowledge what Kyle said too. When it comes to other gangs,
they are extremely complicated and we've got a lot to
reckon with there when it comes to the abuse and
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care inquiry and the part that it played in the
formation of those gangs.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Yeah, yeah, I mean actually, be honest, they are multifaceted.
You've got people are doing some really bad stuff, and
then you've got other people who are sort of like kittens.
I've got to use that word once, but I'm not
sure they'd thank me for that description. But actually on
that thing, we didn't have it slated for conversations so much.
But I'm not sure if you saw the news where
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luxem got a little bit annoyed because Benedict I keep
wanting to call the benefit another freaking numbers. It's not
about the freaking numbers, but actually they were. There's no
argument they're revising the list of gang members, and it
will mean that they're putting some people off the list,
so long as they don't make a big song, dance
and go, look, we've reduced the number of gang members
just by editing a list. But I mean, it's common
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sense that there are people. What do they say? It's
like that I saw Vano Sullivan's colin was getting on
the gang list. Was like, it's like the Hotel California.
You can check out, but you can never leave. Well,
apparently you can. I thought it was a great line
for a column.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
By the way, Kyle, Yeah, look, I mean, and also
I guess the other angle on this is it's going
to be a lot more effective than just banning patches,
isn't it. Actually just dealing with the actual serious criminal
end of any gang is going to be much more effective.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Actually, god, we didn't have that slate of a conversation
as well, But there's so much on the gang front,
the banning of the patches. But yeah, the editing of
the gang list, I mean, let's just have an updated list.
It's pretty much, let's be updated with your facts and figures,
and they should have a line where they can sign on,
go online and tell us which tribe you're part.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Of, do a survey and get yourself pack and save
a true or something on that though, I would say
to people watch it, watch those lists like a hawk,
because we hear those lists getting edited. But politicians, politicians
are sneaky when it comes to the editing lists, and
they're making it look like they've done something amazing by
reducing crime or getting people off benefits or getting people
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into work. All they're doing sometimes is just changing definitions.
So I'd say it's worth keeping an eye on.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
That, and that's probably why it was fair enough that.
I mean, it's good that we're discussing it, because I
don't think they are going to play that game, because
we know that they've edited the list simply to have
better up to date information. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
Anyway, how very uncynical of you, Tim, I can be
quite uncynical at times. Statistics, statistics and damnsty Yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Know you're right. Actually, I'm a little bit fifty to
fifty on the on the I'm sixty forty maybe on
the gang patch ban. I think I support the general
notion of banning the patches, but I think the one
of going even people's home was a really you know
that's good, a little bit too big brotherish. Even though
I don't like gangs, I actually still tend to err
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on the side of things that, for instance, hasn't if
you're a Nazi, then I want to know it, you
know what I mean, apart from the intimidation side.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Frank, Yeah, I guess there's there's the chance that some
of this stuff could be pushed underground. And I know
that people are really anti gangs, but we still need
to be really careful with human rights stuff as well.
Speaker 6 (09:30):
Even with the people that.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
We don't like human rights need to apply to everybody.
And I know there are some human rights discussions going
on around where the gang patch should be banned and
where it shouldn't be banned.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Yeah, and I think I actually agree with you much
as there will be probably texts come through and go
no whatever makes the gang's lives uncomfortable. I think, you know,
we have to have laws that are consistent and when
it comes to removing intimidation, then fine. But expression slippery slope.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
Oh, it's really slippery slope where you know tattoos jat
gang patches, you know, team.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Does it all that big bushy beard of yours that
labels you as a don pregne on socialist.
Speaker 5 (10:09):
Well, we might want to ban Wallaby jumpers today, so
maybe maybe with a canary yellow.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Actually, to be honest, I don't think we feel intimidated
by the Wallabies colors these days. But famous last words
guys are anyway, nah.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
Na, the All Blacks are gonna wipe that. We've just
done it with South Africa. We've been done by South Africa.
Australia is our chance to give a team a wallopping Yeah.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
I love your optimism. I'm terra wallabying. I'm a complete
Raby tragic, but I'm terrible at picking sports results. I'm
reverse psychology myself and picking the Wallabies by seven.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
And I you know what, I wish I'd put money
on some of the Warriors results this year because we
have the sports rap and then a couple of times
it's been like, hay, what what's happened? The Warriors have
lost the last couple Okay, and they're up against what
the best team in the in the competition. Well, they're
going to win, of course, and of course they do.
They usually do those. Anyway, there we go. Hey, the
government wants to reduce jury trials as one of the
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big delayers in our courts. Here's an interesting thing. If
you guys were charged with a crime, Kyle, Yeah, if
you were, let's say, actually, let's not care where you're
guilty or innocent.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
I'm just wondering what crabe you think of you?
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Oh, actually, let's not let's speculate on that. No, let's
not speculate, and then it'll just go down a slippery slope.
But actually, what would you rather you were charged with
a serious offense, Let's say your innocence, because you know,
you seem like you would be who would you rather decide?
A jury or a judge?
Speaker 5 (11:36):
Judge? Absolutely? Yeah, yeah, I mean I sort of like
the idea of jury trials and principle. It seems like
one of those sort of democratic cornerstones. But the principle
is a jury of your peers, and I sort of
wonder how that can happen. I mean, if you take
the Pockinghorn trial right like six eight weeks whatever it was,
ten weeks, it's probably going to be start to finish.
How many people can you actually find that can do
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jury service for that long? And you know, so what
does that do in terms of skewing the kinds of
people are we predominantly old, predominant those not in paid work.
I mean, I just sort of think judges are trained
to actually make these determinations.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
I think if I was guilty, i'd want a jury
because I think they can be I could think I
think they can beat it. Yeah. Well, I can think
of some high profile trials which I probably won't mention
right now. Frank, what would you go for? What would
you be charged with? Frank, I don't know what I
would be change for me in a loose moment, I think.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
We've removed those laws now, haven't we.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Maybe that's why I'm making it up as I go along.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
But if I was doing if I'd committed the crime,
I think i'd want a jury because I'm a classic
guy who thinks he can do anything, and so I
think I could manipulate a jury in a way that
I couldn't manipulate a judge. So I'd want a jury.
But but then there's the flip side of this, where,
according to the article that we're that you fired through,
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it takes way longer to go through a trial that
involves a jury. So if you choose a jury, everything's
going to take a whole lot longer. So if you
want to get through it fairly quickly and you're fairly
certain of your innocence, you might as well go a judge.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Also, if you look like a sweet sort of innocent guy,
you don't have to give evidence. All you do is
you sit there looking like Frank Ritchie and everyone's going
to be I just can't believe he would have done
such a terrible thing. Not guilty. I can think of
a case where I think that was probably the predominant
decision evolving and I didn't crime back into Neden days.
But anyway, there we go four year terms. Just quickly, guys,
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four year terms. Luxin's open to a four year term.
I'm open to a four year term when I like
the government, and I'm open to a two year term
when I don't.
Speaker 5 (13:40):
I think everyone is open to a four year term
when they're in governments. Yeah, that's surprise that Lackson's all
for it. No, but look, in all seriousness, I think
it's probably not such a bad idea that the three
year term is really frustrating for longer term projects like infrastructure,
like you know, making significant changes to the health system.
We've already seen that. And I think what we're seeing
with this government, regardless of whether you agree or disagree
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with the direction they're taking, there's this sense that of
flip flopping backward and forwards to putting something in place
or just starting to get something underway, and then the
next lot comes in and takes it away, and then
it sort of feels like we don't get anywhere.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
I think the problem is, Frank, is that people wouldn't
vote in a I don't mean this in a judgmental
way on people because I'd be one of them. But
I think you would vote not based on whether you
like a three or four year term, but whether you
want three or four more years of this particular government.
You know, if you think it's if you think you're
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going to be on the losing side, you're going to go, oh,
I want a three year term. Yeah, And so no
one's ever going to really philosophically, honestly sit back and go, Okay,
let's pretend that we have just the perfect government for
the next few years. How you know, you know what
I mean to remove their own.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
And whoever's in government is going to is going to
play quite heavily on the emotions if it goes to
a referendum. I think the bigger issue here is the
inability of our major parties in particular to come up
with cross party agreement on some big thing so that
the flip flopping stops. So I think we need some
long term agreement around health, we need long term agreement
around an education, and we need long term agreement around infrastructure.
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If we could agree long term for some long term
things on those things, so that no matter who comes in,
we know where we're going, We're not going to get
the flip flop. I think this issue becomes less of
an issue.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
What we need there is a great big I mean,
you know, but that's the problem with politics is that
we all want the same I think we all generally
want the same outcomes that politics comes in because we
all have different philosophies on how to get there, don't
you think.
Speaker 5 (15:42):
Kyle, apart from cycle Ways.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Let's not go there.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
No, But I mean I say that and yes, but
actually I think one of the problems at the moment
is the so called kind of culture war, you know,
bullet point sort of talking points. I mean, cycle Ways
one example. We could probably think of it another few
which would provoke as much of a response. But I
agree with Frank. I think, actually, how do we get politicians.
What's the incentive for working across the center Island? I mean,
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the whole Westminster system's kind of set up to just
lob insults at each other and question time, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
But actually that's great for that.
Speaker 5 (16:17):
You know, some big overarching targets that everybody has to
work towards would be fantastic.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Yeah, Okay, we better take a break. I think we'll
come back. We've got so much to talk about in
this in this panel, so stick around. My guests are
Cal McDonald and Frank Ritchie. We'll be back in time. Actually,
I'm just reveling in the idea that if you were
to ever appear on charges, Frank, if we just bring
back those blasphemy roles, would be like did you hear
the latest Frank Ritchie? Who would have thought it done?
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For he blasphemed?
Speaker 6 (16:48):
He?
Speaker 3 (16:48):
I mean, it wouldn't have been so bad if he
hadn't been in the pulpit at the time. Anyway, Gosh,
my imaginations are running right on me at the moment
twenty three and a half past three, back in just
a Moment's about me? Two ways, a Plan, the Red
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Wine and the Way to the Chief.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Can at you Saturday Sun.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
And welcome back to the show. This is the Wee
Can Collective. My panel for the afternoon. I'm t beverage,
by the way. My panel lists are the Reverend, Frank,
Richie and the non Reverend Car McDonald. I don't know,
I just sort of feel I've got to have some
sort of title in there. What should we call you?
If we're going to give you a title, Carl, what
would we give you.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
A psychotherapist works.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Oh yeah, but we can't say hi, it's like Sir
Kyle or mister Kyle or Reverend Kyle.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
Or I mean, Frank might disagree with this, but some
people have described psychotherapists as a secular priest.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
So yeah, no, that fits.
Speaker 6 (18:06):
I think.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
I think, yeah, I think our psychologists, our mental health
workers do an amazing week. So I'd go with that.
But there's another option. On our show on a Sunday
evening at six pm, I'm known as the Reverend and
my co host Jacks is the reprobate, so I can
know that.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
Works for me.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Reprobate. That's actually if you genuinely reprobate, what is what
is that? To me? It's it's pretty bad.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
A naughty person. I just hear a naughty person.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Yeah, okay, well we're going to be talking about a
naughty person later on. By the way. Now, on the
international front, I'll tell you what I think. If there
was one organization you do not want to get on
the wrong side of, it would probably be Mossad. The
patre attack on the members of his BOLLA and the
planning it must have gone into it and then a
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day later for exploding walkie talkies. Of course, there are
always unfortunately tragic collateral damage as well, but blimey, it's
I mean, I have to say it's sort of pretty
impressive in terms of a plan, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
Kyle, Yeah, it's it's terrifying. Actually. I think, you know,
someone needs to de escalate what's going on in the Middleast.
It seems the only mover is to anti up. I
did see an interesting editorial actually, when someone pointed out
that that, you know, it's really interesting how you can
miss the way we bias these things in the West
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and see them through a particular ends. You know, if
you travel internationally, a lot of countries are still requiring
you to take your shoes off because of some crazy
shoe bombing. And they pointed it. I wonder if they're
going to be stopping people taking pages and walkie talkies
and other mobile devices on planes now. Um, And they
won't be, will they.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
I don't know who takes a pager or a walkie
talkie anywhere. When was the last time. I mean, you've
got probably a pager just connecting you with things that
are a bit more subliminal. I guess Frank.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
Sorry, A page to the divine?
Speaker 6 (20:00):
Yeah, I have one of these.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Give me Jesus on the line. But that's another song
I'm thinking, but I can't think of it right now.
But anyway, have you ever had a page?
Speaker 6 (20:11):
No?
Speaker 1 (20:11):
No?
Speaker 4 (20:12):
I came into the tech world in terms of age
a little after pages are a big thing, so mobile phones.
Speaker 6 (20:19):
I came into the mobile phone world.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
But this operation, when you think about it, because the
reports are that the explosive devices were attached to the
phones or placed in the phones before they made their
way into Lebanon, So they managed to get those into
Lebanon undetected and into people's hands. Like as an operation,
that's phenomenal. I think this is Mossa to trying to
remind people that it's going to get you wherever and whenever.
Speaker 6 (20:43):
But I'm with Kyle.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
If this thing keeps escalating like it's all sitting on
a tinder box at the moment, and if Israel keeps
pushing his blah, it's going to have to fight a
war on two fronts in Gaza against his BLA. It's
got Yemen firing missiles in as well. It's a dangerous,
dangerous situation.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
I wonder what would happen if a mass actually handed
back all the hostages. I wonder what would happen. Do
you think that would call an end to it? Because
that's what that's what it originates from.
Speaker 5 (21:09):
I'm not sure you could unbomb Gaza though, could you?
Speaker 1 (21:12):
No?
Speaker 3 (21:12):
But I mean, but what would what would happen as
a result of that?
Speaker 4 (21:15):
Yeah, I think Israel would be Nettaya, who in particular
would be in a really tricky political situation then, because
he's made statements about the capabilities of Hamas that he wants.
Speaker 6 (21:26):
To deal to.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
But if the with all the protests that have been
happening in Israel, if all those hostages just got handed back,
the pressure would be on him to just stop.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Well, I know that's why I think it'd be a
great idea if maybe hand the hostages back and see
what happens. That wouldn't that be amazing just to see
if what would happen, Because you know, there's all this
took about ceasefars and stuff. It's like, well, howd the
hostage is back? And maybe I'd love to see that
pressure switch in the other direction, because I think Netanyahu,
who strikes me as being well he was under corruption
charges before this all blew up. Sorry Liz, sorry for
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the metaphor there.
Speaker 5 (21:59):
Yeah, no, look, I guess the cynical views, I'd actually
think it would make most difference. I think Israel has
continued to use these attacks on it as an excuse
to expand this territory. I mean, they were expanding territory
into the Westbank prior to the events of October last year.
So you know, certainly it's escalated, but you know, their
policy has been pretty clear.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Although if I was going to add the counter to that,
the leaders of Hezbal are worth billions. They've taken money
from Iran. They've enriched themselves. Instead of building us a
state where they could where they might build something some prosperity,
They're literally they've built an underground world based on attacking Israel,
which is more complex than the London underground. Imagine if
they'd use that money to try and build a prosperous state.
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But I think I actually believe their hatred for Israel
is greater than the love of their own people. I
just think it's all tied up with religion and centuries
old animosities, and it's I'm just laud i don't live there.
It would be there not just.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
Said I agree with you when it comes to Hamas.
Hamas are thugs and they do no good for their
own people. The difficulty with what Israel is doing right
now is it's for entering another generation who are just
going to see that the only way that they can
do anything is by picking up a gun. I've spent
time in the West Bank, I've spent time in Israel.
I've spent time helping to educate young people in Palestine
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and how they can raise their voice without picking up
a gun. This sort of thing completely undoes that sort
of work, and it's really sad to watch it play out.
Speaker 6 (23:26):
That's dreadful.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Absolutely. Hey, I was going to say on too happier things,
but it's not happier things. It's different stuff. And look,
given it. It is three point thirty three in the afternoon,
and we have been talking about some heavy stuff with
his baller, of course, but p did he the charges
that have been laid out. He has been refused bail
and when he offered fifty million dollars, and he's up
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against some he's up on some pretty well. He's up
on some pretty serious charges. I think this is going
to get worse and worse. But here's the fact that
I just I just thought we'd seize upon to see
if I could find a lighter angle to this. Is
there an innocent, sort of harm harmless explanation for why
you would have a massed more than a thousand bottles
of baby oil in your home? Is there a positive
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use for that baby oil that we can think of? Kyle?
Speaker 5 (24:15):
It's hard not to see it as a smoking gun,
isn't it.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
I mean, or a libricated gun.
Speaker 5 (24:21):
It's a horrific story, and I think, unfortunately, you know
everything that I understand of you know, sort of big
characters in the music industry through this twentieth century, it's
on form. I mean, there's so much exploitation in that industry.
But you're right, it's kind of you can't really argue
any innocent use for that much baby oil. I think
he's for a swimming pool.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
I mean, I don't know, a thousand bottles.
Speaker 7 (24:43):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
I was just trying to find some way where we
could avoid talking about how horrendous it is the charges
he's facing them. Seriously, he has the package he was
proposing to let him out of jail was fifty million
dollars bond signed by him, his mother and other family members,
as well as home detention, surrender of his passport, weekly
drug tests, and a visitor log that would be submitted
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to pre trial services. And the judge said, no, not enough.
He's in deep duds, isn't he, Frank.
Speaker 6 (25:10):
He is, very much so.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
And it's really interesting reading the defense and their arguments
and the things that they're saying in order to kind
of skirt some stuff, Like there was a line in
there about how they there was no coercion, which says
that a lot of this stuff probably went on. It's
just the question of whether it was consensual or not.
I mean, I remember reading up to the eyeballs, yeah,
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I mean I remember reading years ago, and this was
never denied him having parties where if you turned up
at the party, you had to be able to prove
that you had groomed your nether regions in a particular manner,
otherwise you're not going to make it in. I mean,
that sort of stuff that makes it out into the
public says that there's probably a whole lot of other
stuff going on that we can't see. So I think
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he's in big trouble.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
This is where Frank tells us he's had some great
parties that he did, but he doesn't.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
That's apolo.
Speaker 5 (26:06):
There's a lot where the blasphemin.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
I apologize.
Speaker 6 (26:10):
I apologize, lads.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Kyle, you were going to add I was just going
to say.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
It's a bit like Weinstein, isn't it. I mean when
they talk about exploitation versus you know, consent and so on.
I think when when you have young people who are
vulnerable and are wanting to enter a particular kind of industry,
does it implied exploitation as soon as you step through
the door, isn't there?
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Yeah? I think it's well, he's in deep trouble and
if he's guilty of what he's been charged of, then
I've got zero sympathy from maybe he's a keen cyclist.
I mean, there we go, I found an innocent You
go for a cycle ride and you need a bottle
of baby oil to get rid of that chafing.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
But it doesn't just just show the danger of power
and fame where you get into a world where you've
got such a bubble that you think you can do
anything and just end up damaging people's lives.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Well who, I don't know who said it. Power corrupts
and absolute power corrupts. Absolutely. I can't tell you many
times that expression pops into my head when you see
someone in a very powerful, influential situation.
Speaker 5 (27:07):
And completely that for rails the data back there up Actually,
to Mamey, what we see is that whatever level of
narcissism somebody starts at, which might be quite low, it
might be quite high. Generally, fame and wealth tends to
increase that fairly exponentially. And the more fame and wealth,
the more narcissism it tends to create.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Yeah, indeed, look, we're going to take quick break just
to sort of have a cup of teen to lie
down after that one, and we'll be back in just
a moment. It's so twenty two minutes, two four news talks.
Speaker 6 (27:34):
He'd be.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Hello, right, something happened there? I think Tyra got so
excited about getting into that. Was that abba there? That
was really abrupt? I thought we'd gone off here for
a second. Hi, this is the weekend collective. Just check
that that's still working. Hit that button just for three
seconds so we can hear that tune there, Tara, Ah,
there we go. Eh, we go. Oh, when I kissed
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the teacher? Ah, there we go. That's why it's a thing,
because Tyra loves the themes tune. And I'm absolutely going
through a really tragic aber phase right now. I don't
know why, but I'm really I've been flogging abber for
weeks and I just don't get sick of it anyway.
But the reason we're talking about when I kissed the
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teacher is not because of another headline I've read recently,
but the number of the students who are studying to teachers.
By the way, I should say, we've just come back
from the break. I forgot to reintroduce my guests. It's
car MacDonald and Frank Ritchie as my panelist today. But
the Teaching Council of our toa Roha, New Zealand says
half as many Kiwis are signing out to become teachers
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than they were in twenty ten. And a part of
me is not surprised because teachers are the permanent bloody
whipping boys and girls of talkback for one and the media.
And Kyle, you're the chair of the board at your
school children's school. What do you know?
Speaker 5 (29:06):
Look, well, the first thing I would say is I
actually think teaching is I didn't really realize this until
I got involved in my kids called it is an
extremely difficult job, not only in terms of the hours worked,
but in terms of the emotional load. We expect teachers
to be sports coached on top of teaching right now,
sports coaches, social workers, you know, administrators, principals are CEOs
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of large organizations effectively, so it's an incredibly tough job.
And you're right. I think one of the unfortunate things
is that once something becomes a political football, like education
has for the last few years, then it inevitably drains
and takes an emotional toll on teachers. When you're just
constantly hearing in the media, you know more or less
you're not doing a good enough job, and we need
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to tell you how, as politicians, how to do your job.
So it doesn't surprise me. In fact, one of the
things that I've heard, and I'm not one hundred percent
sure of this, but heard a rumor that actually the
three year teaching program here in Auckland doesn't have any
enrollments for next year, so they're not going to be
running a year of training next year, and you can
still be a teacher by doing the one year ploma.
But I know from our school we really struggle to
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find relievers and struggle to find staff. And this is
a good Discil nine disulteen school with great resources, and
we're struggling to find staff.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Well, my wife is a deputy principal and she's back
in the class because they can't find someone to go
into the overflow classes. They recruit, not recruit. As they
enroll more youngsters who turn five or and are about
to start school, they couldn't find anyone. So she's doing
two jobs at the moment. But the only thing I'd
tell people who are doing talkback, whoever call talkback in
one of a good crack at the teachers. The reason
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you don't hear teachers calling up to defend themselves is
because they're too busy.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
Frank, Yeah, I find this really really sad. I mean,
there are a number of holes we need to climb
out of as a country. The only way we can
be successful is with education. And if you think about
those of us who have achieved anything in the world,
we can probably point back and point to teachers who
have led us up to some aspect of life in
the world that we otherwise wouldn't have had if it
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wasn't for our teachers. And to know that now having
to deal with things like anxiety, broken families, all that
sort of stuff over and above just trying to light
their kids up to education. I think our teachers are
worth their weight in gold. And again, if we want
to go anywhere as a nation, we desperately need good teachers.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Yeah, I don't know what to do. I don't know
what we're going to do about this, because at some
stage we're going to have to turn and maybe has
it always been that case that teachers have been There's
been always negative publicity that would turn people up becoming teachers,
But was it Do we really need to radically change
something about that profession where people think, oh, I I'd
love to do that sounds amazing.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
I don't think there has been. I think it comes
back to the statistics. Like a lot of the ways
in which the data is thrown out there, like the
attendance data, for instance, was I think at times willfully
misrepresented by politicians to suggest that actually we had a
much larger problem that we did. And I think similarly
some of the achievement data. You know, we're still very
squarely in the top sort of ten for most achievement datas.
(32:05):
But of course what we're seeing around the world is
a slide in these things. And it's not just New Zealand.
That's the other thing, you know, it's not just us
who's struggling with how to shift our education models into
the future.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Sorry, Frank, I didn't have a mic on there you go.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
I'd say we've got to be mindful of the COVID
bulge as well in health and education, but in education
in particular, there's a whole cohort now of young people
whose education was disrupted for a couple of years. I
think about my own daughter's high school experience. There was
not one high school year for her because she started
in the year that COVID hit. There wasn't one high
(32:40):
school year that wasn't hasn't been disrupted that's going to
have an impact. Thankfully, she's a diligent, self motivated learner,
but a lot of kids aren't, so we're going to
be dealing with that now. I think for there's a
whole generation that's going to move through our system that
have been impacted by that and the teachers are currently
having to be at the brunt of that.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
And I constantly remind myself as well not to disengage
ever from my kids. Learning is keep in touch with them.
What are you doing today? And what did you do
if you're go on your homework, and just keeping in
touch with them and not taking it for granted that
everything's covered because I think, you know, that's what we
should do anyway.
Speaker 5 (33:15):
It's the other danger I think with the education becoming
a political footballers, I think increasing and I kind of
get it. You know, parents are really really busy and
stressed out themselves, but I think a lot of the
pressure on teachers these days often comes from parents feeling
like it's all on teachers. One of the you know,
really encouraging data points when it comes to being a
parent is that one of the strongest predictors of your
(33:37):
child's literacy is reading to them for half an hour
every day from the age of three. So absolutely, you
know that's not in teacher's hands.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
No, exactly. Hey, by the way, chair of the board,
how long have you been involved as a board member.
Speaker 5 (33:52):
I've I think twenty eighteen I started on the board.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
And when did you become chair a couple of years ago.
Good stuff and what made you want to be on
the board.
Speaker 5 (34:01):
Oh look, I mean I'm always keen to sort of
find way to give a little bet you. It's a
voluntary roll, I mean there's a small payment. But I
also think it's important to support the institutions like schools
that are actually doing great work.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
Good on you because I must. I mean I wouldn't
be probably because my wife's actually a staff member. That
would look a bit but weird. Probably, But anyone who
takes time out to spend to contribute to try and
drive initiatives for new buildings and fundraising and stuff. Board
members of schools, you know the ones who are doing
great job? They rock man, Hey, Frank.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
Yeah, which is why I think we need to move
Kyle from being the reprobate to the sat Saint Kyle.
Speaker 5 (34:41):
Like coming from you, Frank, that really does mean something.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Anyway, tell you what We'll come back by the next
topic in just a moment. It is twelve minutes for
this is News Talk z B.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Crisis.
Speaker 6 (35:00):
I need to be.
Speaker 7 (35:02):
Felt welcome back. This is a week in collective.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
Coming towards the end of the panel, my panelists Carle
MacDonald and the Reverend Frank Ritchie, the Reprobate Carmic. I
can't say that. I can't say that about Reprobate.
Speaker 5 (35:24):
Saint Kyle McDonald's Saint Kyle Stkyle.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
I'm gonna come up with some of the I know
there's another title there. I've just got to work out
what it is. Anyway, Hey, just quickly on Instagram the
changes that are being rolled out in other countries around ages.
Instagram's introducing ten accounts with automatic protections for young people
under sixteen. Australia, we're looking at doing a legal age
(35:46):
for this, and I'd be honest, I love it because
the one thing I want to be able to say
to my daughters is like, honey, you can't have that
account now, and because it'll be breaking the law. I
just love that. Back up, Frank, what do you think?
Speaker 4 (35:58):
Yeah, I'm in total agreement. All the research shows that
the increase in anxiety and depression among young people tends
to track with the creation of social media. So I
think the more we can get there self esteem detached
from social media, the better.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
Then go Kyle.
Speaker 5 (36:14):
Yeah, I like the I like the nuance of this.
I have to say it's a step in the right direction.
I'm not one hundred percent convinced. I'm probably about ninety
percent convinced on the banning with a certain age because
I think that there is still some benefit and there's
some nuance. And I'm still not sure which ones they
would ban exactly, because I think it's also true that
there is possible to use them in healthy ways. But
(36:36):
I agree that the research is starting to show pretty
clearly that the younger you start, the worse the effects
tend to be. And one of the things that threw
me in favor of a band was someone pointed out
the other day that it becomes easier to be the
hold out that the struggle. And I think we'll probably
be in this role because my kids don't have any
social media yet, as being the holdout parents, as being
(36:58):
the only ones who won't love kids haven't.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
Because almost is socially isolating. We did it with it.
Speaker 5 (37:03):
There's a negative impact of that.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Yeah, I like it good on Instagram at least for
having their teen accounts where they have automatic posts a
private There's a few things they're doing too, and my.
Speaker 5 (37:14):
Facebook messenger has a Facebook message of kids, for instance,
which shuts a whole bunch of things down, which is
quite useful.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
Of course, it might make it very uncool, of course,
and unpopular, and then some other player comes in and
we're away again.
Speaker 4 (37:25):
But it's interesting though. I was just talking to a
friend this morning whose child is at high school and
doesn't have any social media, didn't have a smartphone, ended
up with a smartphone because apparents didn't need to be
able to get in touch. But it was really noticeable,
and it'd be interesting to know if there's a correlation.
But going around doing their staff teacher interviews, that every
single teacher noted how this young lady's attention span was
(37:48):
so much better than anybody else in the classroom. Now,
of course it's only anecdotal that that's related to social
media use. But when you think about scrolling through Instagram, reels, TikTok, etc.
We only have to focus for a very little while,
it seems to make sense.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Hey, just one last thing. Pizza Hut's got its fiftieth
anniversary and they've launched an unlimited basically a buffet all
you can eat unlimited chips, garlic, bread, and soft drinks
are back on the menu. I can't think of something
that sounds more disgusting to me. You guys nostalgic for
the old pizza sort of.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
We need to point out we need to point out
here that it's only in one place, City Works Depot
in Auckland, only for a few days, and it'll cost
your thirty bucks. So it's not the old school cheap
all you can eat. But I can't eat like a
teenager anymore. Buffets just don't work for me now if
I try it. If I tried that, I'd probably spend
a week recovering from it.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
I'm also deeply suspicious of chain pizzas I would only
ever go to a pizza place where they have their
own recipes and it's their own sort of ven. It's
the local guys set up his own.
Speaker 5 (38:48):
You want the bougie pizza, Yeah, I want your your
chardonnay socialist.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
Sort of pizza.
Speaker 5 (38:54):
I have very very fond student memories of the old ones.
I think it was like seven ninety five or something.
It was really cheaper all you could eat on a
Tuesday night. And sometimes you'd skip the pizza and just
go straight to the dessert.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
But sometimes the pizza straight to the chunder. Was there
beer involved with these events? I think there might have
been a little bit of preloading. Yeah, that's preloading is
a generational thing. I totally isn't it. Yeah, anyway, let's
(39:28):
not discuss generational things, should we, guys? Hey, thanks so
much for your time, chaps.
Speaker 5 (39:33):
Pleasure.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
Of course, Kyle, you'll be You're both back on here tomorrow.
It's our Sunday guys.
Speaker 5 (39:39):
It's Touchy Philly Sunday Night on the Sunday specials on
a Saturday.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
Yeah, so the Nutters Club from PM tomorrow night you
and of course you've got Sunday at six Frank.
Speaker 4 (39:48):
Which happens to be at six funny there. Hey, and
how can I just say, always a pleasure to broadcast
with you, tom and this being the first time I've
been on the panel with Kyle as a lover of
Kyle's work, a real pleasure.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Cheers ring, Oh fantastic. Look can you feel the love tonight?
Should be the song we go out with, but it'll
be something. Hey, thanks so much. If you've missed any
of our panel, you can go and check it out.
Look for the Weekend Collective podcast Actually not where a podcasts,
Just go to iHeartRadio and sort of that. From then,
we'll be back with Nicole Lewis for the one roof
radio show This is News Talk z bar.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
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