October 18, 2024 • 40 mins
Today on The Panel, Tim Beveridge is joined by Shane Te Pou and Irene Gardiner to discuss the biggest stories from the week that was.
The Greens vote to waka-jump Darleen Tana, the number of people on the Jobseeker benefit is up, hospital staff are being told to only speak English, TMZ publishes photos of Liam Payne's body before the ambulance had taken him away, and more!
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Again. It's a very good afternoon to you. I'm Tim Beveridge.
Welcome to the Weekend Collective. I just had to let
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What is that song? And I was thinking this is
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Blackouts are good to think of the title anyway, it's
of course I love rock and roll.
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Ah, there we go. Welcome to the show.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
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the helicopter And we're going to have a chat about
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can look forward to overnight. Of course the Auckland FC
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it is right now, it's nine minutes pass three. Time
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to introduce my panelist, as always, a couple of esteemed individuals.
My first is A is A. Well, how do I
describe him? He's a He's a rampant lefty from cowed O.
Originally an old political hack from over the years. I
think it's self described. He writes for The New Zealand Herald,
and he's actually he's a pretty good guy.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
It's Shane to Poe. Get a Shane game.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Nice to see you, And I'll have to be more
polite because because my next guest is just so lovely.
But she is a television producer with some experience and
also a journalist, and she's been an executive. She's just
been that hang around the scene of entertainment TV film
for a little while. And it's Irene Gardener. Hello, Irene,
Hello there, how are you.
Speaker 5 (03:03):
I'm very well. I'm pleased that you describe Shane is
an old heck, but not me.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Ah well, you just picked your ties, had picked that
I might. I might just get you to get a
little closer to Mike's guys and just to point them
towards you.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
There drop.
Speaker 6 (03:20):
No, I don't mind being described as a heck. In fact,
I've got a half a sort of book sort of
drafted the Life of a Party heck.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Really.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Yeah, So I've just given you a bit of an
arts promotion telling some stuff.
Speaker 6 (03:30):
I don't know if anyone's being recent and publishing it,
but just sort of telling some stories about my sort
of time in and around politics.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Because I think there's there are some sort of insults
which really can be can be dished out, which are
really endearing.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
That's what it was meant to be.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
You know, there are some things that you say and
there's just no getting around it.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
It's not good.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
But I think that's a playful sort of little you know,
you can tell me later on.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
I love it. You'll ask me to step out, Well,
we'll make like who was it? Winston and toe henray
and and Trevor.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Yes, yeah, anyway, and how are you doing a keeping?
Speaker 5 (04:05):
Yeah, I'm very well. I'm not planning to fight anybody.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Okay, that's good.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
At this time.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
You've got to watch out for the small ones. They
can be quite vicious.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Anyway, Right, let's get into the politics talking about speaking
of viciousness, viciousness, the Greens have finally voted to Wacker
jump Darlene Tana. I've just found this incredibly entertaining show.
For a while there I thought she had to go.
Then I thought the longer she hangs around, it's just
it's just great.
Speaker 6 (04:34):
Yeah, Okay, if you're not if you're not a Green supporter,
I just think that the Greens have been particularly particularly
emerish over this whole issue. You know, they've been politically immature.
I think the Waker Jumping Bill is a good bill.
I think if you're elected as particularly if you're Listing P,
you know, and you elected as a list m P,
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and you fall out of favor with your party, you
know you should no longer be around. And I just
think that the Green Party approached the Wacker Jumping Bill
was immature and it has come back to bite their
bottom well.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Also, it is if something you might not like a law,
but as soon as it is a law, it is
a law that we all have to live on, whether
it does you a favor or not. It's like it's
like you might not agree with the taxation rates, but
we all obey the law. I mean, I don't think
do you think that they were standing on their principles
a bit too long?
Speaker 5 (05:24):
The I ring I felt a little bit more sorry
for them than either of you two, obviously. I mean,
they've had a hell of a year for a few reasons,
some of their own making, some not. And I did
feel a bit for them because it is a tricky
one when you've got a point of principle and then
you have to break your own point of principle for
pragmatic reasons, which is exactly what they had to do.
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They have now done it. I think everyone's agreed they
had to do it. It was interesting because I've always
thought about with the Greens. They have a lot of
philosophy and a lot of ideology that we all like
and agree with, particularly the environmental side of things. But
I sometimes think about if something had something strange happened
and they became the government, they would then leave the
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land of ideology and get into the horrible world of
all the pragmatic decisions you have to make. And this
is a minor version of that very very thing, because
it would be really interesting to see a party who
are so ideologically based in the actual real world of
cut and thrust politics and all the compromises that you have.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
That is a massive earth, isn't it in terms of
because they do. I think that's a very good point.
They do live in this land of ideological not in
a way where you know, I'm not sure.
Speaker 6 (06:35):
If the rubber ever hits the road, Yeah, well, try
to find I think it's actually quite remarkable if you
consider all the issues they've had throughout the year. Just
before the election, Elizabeth Cutter cut and then you had
Gorrez sadly official passed away, and now you've got this
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and they're still holding you know, they're still holding their
ground pretty much in a lot of senses, and a
lot with most beligbal parties who would have done them
some reputes, take damage that would have flicked onto the polls.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Is there something I was thinking about that Maybe that's
because there's such an ideological party. It's not about the
competence of the members.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
It's just who they represent.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
And they could be represented by Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck
and the rest of the Doesney probably not. But but
as long as the ideas were the.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Same that I think that's the thing.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
It's it's it's their philosophy. You know, a lot of
us agree with, you know, the pure parts of it
we agree with, but it's just, you know, how does
that work?
Speaker 6 (07:39):
Ye knows no secret that the last couple of elections
I've gone in terms of party vote of gone green.
But you know, there is a time, there is a
time that you've got to be practical, You've got to
be pragmatic, and you have to be disciplined. And I
don't think the Greens have been particularly disciplined over this issue.
You know what they need to They need the backside kicker,
they need that. Yeah, I would do that.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
Really, it's a no, no.
Speaker 6 (08:04):
They need a chief of staff that will look would
have looked Darling in the eye and said, Darling, you've
got to go and this is how we're going to
do it.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
I'm just gonna have to call a crash kit for
my producer who just almost fainted. I think when you
said you've had a green ah, No, I'm just kidding,
And now you got to say she's got front, you've
got to have a pretty I mean, is it just
that she's a typical politician and looks she sees things
her way and has convinced herself of this narrative and
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just has because she's stuck around. I mean a lot
of more shrinking violets might have, you know, quietly crept
into the you know, off the side of the road.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
Irene, Well, my experience of employing people just people to
get rid of are always the ones who aren't actually
terribly good and useful. I mean, you know, if someone
wanted to get rid of me from something, I'd be
gone the second I even sort of faintly, you know,
felt that I, oh you don't want me, I'm out
of here. But oh my goodness, I've had some people
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hang in like you would not believe.
Speaker 6 (09:05):
Well, yeah, no, that's right. And you know, I've seen
over the years how totally unrealistic individual politicians can be.
The weather guy from Totonga who was Brendan, who was
married at one time with Winston Peters. He had convinced
himself and he tried to convince me that he was
going to win the next election, that it was his
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personal brand and not the party brand that got him
elected in the first.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
We Well, look, you may have heard of this. It's
one of my favorite statistical sort of bell curves. It's
called the Dunning Kruger. Have you heard of the Dunning
Kruger curve. I just love that for those who I've
mentioned this plenty on talkback. But basically it start your
confidence on the Dunning Kruger syndrome or whatever it is.
Your confidence is maximum when you know nothing, and then
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and when you learn a little bit, your confidence plummets,
and then it gradually grows with experience. And that's un
in Kruger. And I think that sums up a lot
of politicians in the early days. It's like I've got
the answer to the world's problems anyway onitics Now, Look,
Andrew Bailey is in hot water for basically I think
not reading the reading the room very well, not reading
his audience. Apparently he was bantering, I would say, would
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be a generous way of looking at it, telling a
person who was still working at the warehouse that he
was a loser and apparently telling him to f off,
or that he does.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
He does dispute that he apologized straight away. How can
did someone get it so wrong? Ireen? Or is it
this just a bit of banter that's been.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
Well, you know, I'm a bit torn on this one.
People have really been hard on him and sort of
thought that he's been incredibly rude and so on and
so forth, and you know he has apologized and yes,
definitely read the room badly, but.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
You know, readless person before.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
I am not a horrible.
Speaker 5 (10:45):
Person, but I could imagine as a joke in a
situation where there was one worker left jokingly saying, you know,
haven't you got a.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Home to go to?
Speaker 5 (10:56):
Why don't you go home? You know, your big loser
still at work when everybody else has gone, take a
bottle and go. You know, I could imagine saying that
in a joking manner. Now, whether I definitely would say
it in a joking manner to a friend, whether I
would say it to a stranger, and whether I would
say it or I'm a politician, probably, I'm not sure,
but I definitely can believe that I don't think he's
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lying when he says it was lighthearted banter that got
taken rong.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
And we haven't heard from anyone else about it either,
So it's just this.
Speaker 6 (11:25):
But it's hard to read tone have we no But
I think that the full story will come out. But hey, look,
I'm not the most politically correct person in the world.
I would hardly desire and al those Sometimes people say
that I'm woke, but you know I would. I would
never have that conversation with people that I know in
a work environment, let alone people that I don't know
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in a work environment. And I think the I think
the benchmark four minister is higher then somebody else that
works works in a warehouse sort of situation. He did
totally misread the room. But I don't think this story
is over.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Oh, I think you're just what you're saying is I
don't want the story to be of a because there's more,
there's more fun that we had with it.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
No, look, I.
Speaker 6 (12:09):
Wondered why the guy if the words weren't said, whether
they were said in gest or whatever, why would the
guy make up a story.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
I don't think he's made up a story.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
I think he's just a disagreement.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
He's got a different sensibility. I think he was genuinely
hurt and offended, and I think he made but I don't.
Speaker 6 (12:30):
Look, I try to have a sense of humor. But
why would you call someone a loser?
Speaker 2 (12:36):
I would? I would.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
I can imagine someone saying having to do the overnight.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
Yeah, I see, I would say that as a joke,
and I'd get away with it, but probably wouldn't if
I was a politician, because and certainly not to someone
I didn't know. So no, I look, I have a
little bit of sympathy for him because I think in
a lot of situations it probably would have been water
off for ducks back. But I think he's read this
person in this situation badly, and he's hurt the person.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
But he's also, to his credit, an apology. It seemed
it was an honest apology. You know what, the worst
thing anyone can do is go, I don't know what
the guy's problem is. He's risk messing me.
Speaker 6 (13:14):
Now.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
Of course I'm not apologizing. I was joking.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
That would have been you know, you just say, look,
I was joking, but it didn't land, and I feel terrible.
I've upset this person.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
Um, okay, well he'll be thrilled. We're talking about him now.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
The number now, number of people on job seeker benefit
up twelve percent in the year to September. Sounds it
sounds so a little less harmless when you talk about
the number of people on the job seeker benefit. But
let's interpret of that is it's unemployed basically, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
Yeah, what do you make of a Shane?
Speaker 6 (13:45):
Oh, the numbers are increasing. You know, we're probably going
to see about it pan out at about five point
ninety six percent. But here's the thing to that that's
across that's average across the country. What it means is
that mlory unemployment likely to ten to eleven percent, youth
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unemployment at at twenty three to twenty four percent. And
what I do know is from my experience in the
eighties and nineties is when unemployment gets it high, becomes
entrenched and it becomes generational and you see whole towns
closed down and it takes years to get it back.
And you know, we're going to talk a little bit
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in a minute about what's happening in Timuru. You know
that's only a small community. Five hundred jobs gone and
a small community is devastating. You know, I'm from Colda,
I've seen that before, and it just means generational unemployment
and poverty.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
I hope that with Irene, with inflation having been and
now down to two point two, that was that was
quite a big drop. Then hopefully the sting has come
out of the bad news from now on.
Speaker 5 (14:51):
I don't know, well a social development employment and Sir
Louis Upston tried to say that that it's you know,
it's on the turn. I don't know. I mean it
was no great surprise. I mean we all know the
economy is terrible and then it's a kind of a
global post pandemic thing really, but yeah, all of the
things that Shane said are right. It's horrible for you know,
social situations and you know, small communities, everything really so yeah,
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I don't know this. Look, I am not an economist.
I can't stop thinking about the fact that when this
government came in, I know that you could definitely have
mounted an argument that as things should have been tightening
up after the necessary pandemic spending, the previous government had
perhaps been a bit loose around the edges with money.
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But this government just kept saying, over and over and
over gone again, how terrible everything was, terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible.
And doesn't that then become a self fulfilling prophecy. Didn't
they actually make it worse by saying talking it down?
Speaker 3 (15:55):
I don't think so much. I think, in fact, I
think the politicians. The blame and the credit on politicians
is less attributable to them than it is Adrian Or
went through and actually the world inflation. The government pumped
money out there and inflation, and he's tried to bring
it back. He pumped a lot of cheap money out there,
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and then he's he's basically acted too late a couple
of times. I think he acted too late in terms
of dolling out the cheap money in a property market,
going through the roof and everything.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
And then he sat on it. It basically just yeah,
I mean, all of that would.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
Have happened anyway, Whatever would have happened in the economy,
would have happen anyway. But I just I just think
they went I mean, all governments get in and blame
the other one for everything, but I just think they
went overboard with painting that real gloom picture.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (16:45):
But also, you know, we do have to look at
some facts outside of that spending period, which was COVID,
and we're going to argue whether or not our Dons
government was too slow, not reacted enough, whether lockdown's sort
of ended sooner, and all that sort of thing. But
if you have the pure facts, the lending ratio under
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this government, if you just exclude that point in terms
of COVID, is more than the last government. And I
think there's been some fundamental sort of missteps here. You know,
borrowing seventeen billion dollars for tax cuts is like pain
is like paying your mortgage on your credit card. It
just doesn't make sense.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Well, yeah, I mean I was all for shifting the
tax brackets. I think they were a high time for that,
but actually on that we hadn't slaid it. For conversation,
but just doing god a dame hood. I sort of
thought to myself that maybe she should have got it here,
but I'm not particularly interested, to be honest, Irene, I.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
Was just taken with the fact that Prince William really
suits that beard. He's great, he looks really handsome.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
I think you're a beard person because you told me
off almost for shaving mine eye.
Speaker 5 (17:50):
He looks really good with that beard, So that's what
I was thinking. But I was also thinking how lovely
it was. So no, it didn't worry me that it
didn't happen here.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
Excellent. Right, We're going to come back.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
We've got lots more things to cover, and we will
touch on the Timoru Meatworks closure and stories around that,
but also touch on Trump's playlist as well during the
course of the panel. This is the panel on News Talks.
It'd be I'm Tim Beveridge and I'm with Irene Gardener
and Shane to Poe. Will be back in a moment.
It's twenty five past three. Sure's good time, bad squad.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
It's all boats.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Moving up that.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
Moving.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Hey, welcome back to the panel. I'm Tim Beveridge. This
is the Weekend Collective. My guests are Irene Gardner and
Shane to Poe. Now we continue with a little bit
of the politic political stories. The sad news of the
Timaru Meat works, the confirmation of the closure. And I'm
not I mean this is bad and good news. It's
bad news for Timroo, but good news for the workers
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that have lost their jobs at the recruiters. The recruiters
from Australia have moved in to capture a few of
the staff who are going to be made redundant.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
Shane, what's your reaction to that.
Speaker 6 (19:06):
Yeah, it is very it is very sad news for Tomato.
You know, the loss of six hundred jobs in a
small community. I think, as I've said already on the
show today, is generational and I am really concerned about
our talent flight to Australia. Just last week we lost
eighteen hundred New Zealanders, the week before just under two thousand,
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averaging in about two thousand, and it just seems to
meet them that they're perhaps the brightest and the best.
And when I think the economy will turn a corner.
But when it does turn a corner, I don't think
we're going to have the workforce to fulfill some of
our basic obligations such as infrastructural growth.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
I guess is this something that's always happening? Irene that
if you look back over the decades, there are always
headlines about, you know, the last person leaving new Zeum
and turn out the lights? Is this me or are
you particularly worried about this? That means another bloody Australian
the headline?
Speaker 4 (19:58):
Isn't it that? Even coming over any things?
Speaker 5 (20:01):
Do you feel? You know, pretty tough at the moment,
but you I've lived a long time. There's been other
tough times, I guess. I mean, and you know, industries
move and change and things like this happened. But you know,
as Shane said, in a tiny place like Timurrow, it's
pretty devastating. It's going to make a huge difference to
the fabric of that place.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
You know.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
It's that sort of can't I mean, it's hard to
be too angry at the Aussies because for those people
who have lost their jobs, who've got an opportunity, it's good.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
I mean, it's actually good for those young people to
have that opportunity. It's just as Shane said, if things
turn and we.
Speaker 6 (20:34):
Need them back, well yeah, and I think the other
issue is this that if I was half the ag
I was now and I was out without employment, I
would look seriously going to Australia. I would look at
going to a place where you're not playing the outrageous
prices for rent and housing as you are in here
in tom Wickey Makoto. And the other thing is that
they have a bloody good superannuation program. I think it's
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up at twelve percent now that they're useful with trillions
of dollars that they use for investment, and I just
think they get some of those fundamentals right and we
New Zealand have not.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Now, look that's why can't I and Pumston North Hospital.
The discussions around telling staff to only speak English, I
sort of I struggle with this in many respects because
I don't really have a problem. I think that what
worries me is that I wonder if the genesis of
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the story is some xenophobia. And that's what worries me
because I think that when it comes to common sense,
if I was in the hospital, I wouldn't want the
staff discussing my case in a different language. But then again,
I'd be quite happy for them to associate with each
other at the what's the station they go to, or
even if as long as I don't know, I just
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wonder if there's a little bit of xenophobia sitting behind
this which makes it have a bit of a stench.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
That it's I had exactly the same thought, the basic
thing of you know, when you're in the public areas
where the patients can hear you, English is our common language.
It's just common sense. I don't think there's necessarily anything
awful about clarifying that. I don't think they were saying
you can't talk in another language, you know, when you're
just talking to your friends or whatever. And in fact,
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I would assume that if you have a patient of
the same language, there would be a logic in talking
to them in their language. So but yeah, I just
wonder where it came from, and was it some well
racist ish people going I don't like hearing that language
around member.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
I think that that's the problem with it, because it just.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
It ended up feeling really heavy handed about something that
probably should just be left to find its own way.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
I also wonder whether these things should be dealt with.
I know it's a large hospital and things, but as
soon as you commit a statement like that on email,
it's open to interpretation any respect as a post to
someone going around individually talking to team leaders and saying, listen,
can we in this context just please be careful that
you're not excluding the.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
Paine, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
It makes it bigger than it is committing it to emails.
Speaker 6 (23:07):
Look, I've just in parallel with this this year. Unfortunately,
I've spent too much time in and around hospitals lately
with the sick phun I remember, and I'll tell you what,
the man Mirgrant. Nurses rock.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
Yeah, it wasn't.
Speaker 6 (23:19):
If it wasn't for the nurses, we would have we
would really struggle. They're committed, they're hard working, They've come
here to make a better life for them and their families,
and let's just give them a little break.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
Folks.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
You've just reminded me when my parents were both in
sort of hospital care during COVID and they died quite
close to one another in terms of a couple of
months apart. And I've just remembered the fantastic staff there,
and I'm sure my memory is that outside of the rooms,
they were all speaking a different language, and I never
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gave it a second thought because they were looking after
my mum and my dad, and they did it beautifully,
and they are compassionate, warm hearted people and and that's
why these stories.
Speaker 5 (24:03):
And I'm sure that those people get get some racism
in their day.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Yeah, so you know, I did see.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
An interesting reference just which triggered a slightly satirical side
of the story. Was I think arian Zed might have
talked about somebody made a comment about the official languages
you can communicate with. I would be very nervous if
the nursing staff were discussing my medication and signing.
Speaker 5 (24:25):
But it is an official language.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
Sure, it's the one that's designed to if they.
Speaker 5 (24:31):
Started sort of going slit across your throat, yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
Going I'm not good flag.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
There we go.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
We had to add some levity now.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Speaking of Leberty Trump dancing Donald Trump's town hall. So
there are a couple of medical events, a couple of
people fainted, but he played basically, he just stopped taking
questions and played music for forty minutes.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
And funnily enough, I had a couple of songs on
the playlist. What did you make of it?
Speaker 5 (25:11):
Weird?
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Weird?
Speaker 6 (25:12):
I just I just can't get over the fact that
he could well win the election. At beast, it's going
to be pretty close from my perspective. Having said that, Tim,
I'm actually quite excited. I'm going to a Trump rally.
I'm off to Pennsylvania and New York and DC and
Virginia on Thursday, and I want to see the theater
of it.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Actually, it's almost like, if you go to New York,
you've got to go to Broadway. If you go somewhere
where Trump's having a rally, you've got to go check
it out. You'd go, wouldn't you, Ira.
Speaker 5 (25:39):
No, Okay, I couldn't stand it. I can't stand the
sound of his voice.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Now.
Speaker 5 (25:45):
I do hope you're going to learn the Trump.
Speaker 6 (25:47):
Dance before you go to the We're not going to
be dancing with.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
It, because it seems to involve like a very still
body and then arms and hands that sort of It's
an interesting maneuver. So yeah, the Trump keeps it.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
I won't share on air the description of what he
looks like he's doing because it's a little bit naughty.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
But I do love a bit of Y M c A.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Because that was one of the ones on their playlist.
I think I can't remember what else.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
There was another one, yeah, and Rufus Wainwright was terribly
upset because it was his version.
Speaker 6 (26:16):
Well, this happens all the time, stop and desisted, which
you know a little bit about tim from artists is huge.
I remember Ronald Reagan. Ronald Reagan used to play Born
in the USA, and the boss said, no, you're going
to stop this and also listen to the words.
Speaker 5 (26:33):
And Tom Petty, who was on my T shirt today,
his family, his estate, and not keen on Donald using
I won't back down because.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Actually I think I don't think they've got so much
of a complaint that if he just put on some
music during the course, if he used it as a campaign,
you know, I mean, it's like saying he can't players.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
I mean, he can play what he wants.
Speaker 5 (26:54):
There was stoush about my Way, and I remember Nancy
Sinatra saying, has he not listened to the first two
lines of the song?
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Now it's the final kid, I've forgotten about that.
Speaker 6 (27:07):
Yeah, And when he was and at one concert he
finished off with a huge rendition of the song from Titanic,
the song from the.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Titanic, Oh yeah, my Heart will go on. But of
course you know the Titanic did sink. Hey, it does
look like it's going to be very close. Shane, you
are going to be there. You are quite a follow
of this. Yes, I've I've sort of tuned out for
the last two or three weeks.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
It's just been quite nice.
Speaker 6 (27:32):
Yeah, no, I get that. I tune out just to
sort of save my sanity. But yeah, all the polls,
this is going to be one or lost in six
or seven swing states. But those polls are close. And remember, folks,
at the last election, Joe Biden only actually won the
election by forty one thousand votes.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
That was it.
Speaker 6 (27:53):
That's amazing between being in the White House and not
in the White House. And I just think it shows
the real deep divisions that lurk within the American society
at the moment.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
Yeah, what do you reckon? You're going to call it?
Speaker 5 (28:07):
I think the Democrats are going to win. They'll certainly
when the popular vote. The electoral college system is so weird.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
It's so weird sometimes, can anyone understand it?
Speaker 3 (28:19):
Somewhere has started voting now, and there's been in North Carolina,
and their early turnout has been quite quite a big deal.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
I don't know what that means.
Speaker 6 (28:27):
But it's a big deal because it's normally younger people,
people who tend to vote to the left. They get
out early, and it's all about turnout, So I think
that's important. Yeah, that's going down to North Carolina at
the moment. But yeah, we'll just have to see. And
I think the next two or three weeks as we
lead up the election are going to be critical and
I can't wait to be there and see what's happening
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and learn.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
The dark I'd laton for punishment. Right, We're going to
take a quick break.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
My guests, I'm Tim Beverage, Shane to Poe and Irene Gardner,
and I guess this is the this is our panel
on the Weekend Collective News Talks. He'd be it's twenty
one minutes to four, and welcome back to the Weekend Collective.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
Gosh. I still think that the song doesn't.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
Really sound like a normal Queen song because it's just
sort of so sort of old school rock and roll.
But anyway, there it is once described to me by
an esteemed colleague who knows quite a bit about music,
Our Queen.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
They're a bit of a novelty band, aren't they. Okay, anyway,
welcome back to the Weekend Collective. This is the panel.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Shane to Poe and Irene Gardner are my guests and panelists.
Should I say we won't linger on this too much
because i' I'm not sure I like the facts of
some of the procedures that were performed without consent, but
medical students performing procedures without consent at north Shore Hospital.
Apparently there's been a complaint from a nurse who is
concerned over the services being provided to patients. I must
(29:55):
say I've always just assumed probably there was a time
when nobody signed for consent.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
These days it's pretty important, isn't it, Irene?
Speaker 2 (30:02):
It is?
Speaker 5 (30:03):
And you know these these were intimate examinations, and it
was dunior medical staff who didn't you know, who hadn't
got the consent. So interesting that it was nurses who
blew the whistle. Isn't it always the nurses who come
in and save.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Everybody, Which tells me that it does seem a bit
iffy that people.
Speaker 5 (30:28):
Working just the nurses. I suspect this is one of
those things that in a busy health system, busy hospitals.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
No harm was meant.
Speaker 5 (30:37):
It was probably just being a little bit loose around
the edges. But actually when you tryn't sort of talking
about very personal and medical stuff like that.
Speaker 6 (30:46):
You just have to be a bit careful.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
I think.
Speaker 6 (30:48):
I think consents are very fundamental issue when one was
in hospital. And again, I've had some experience about this
that I wouldn't want anyone else to have to go through, actually,
and I just think that this was a systemic issue
and it should have been identified early. And yeah, good
on nurseful saying what she said, and I bet she
(31:09):
did raise it internally, and I bet she did try
to deal with it, and obviously it hasn't been I.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Had a procedure on a slightly related matter. But of
course it's important for young doctors to get experience with
this thing. And I did have a procedure one, so
I can't I think it might have been can't be
aboard which one it was, because I've had a couple recently.
But the specialist actually said, look, this is my colleague.
I would like to be able to have them perform
(31:35):
the procedure with your permission, and I'll be looking right
over the shoulder, And.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
It was the way he sort of said it.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
I was like, okay, you sure, but of course that's
how you get that's how that's how you get experience.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
I don't think.
Speaker 6 (31:51):
I don't think if content was followed, you know that
people would have at least that they had that that
that at least they could have made that decision. And
informed content I think is important.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Hey, just moving on to slightly lighter matters, the fresco
dining fees. So these new outdoor street dining charges, there's
been labels of disrespectful and piling more miserable misery on
struggling hospitality businesses. So changes to Auckland City Council rules.
I think it's about one hundred and sixty bucks one
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hundred and fifty dollars per square meter of street used
and half that from Ount Central.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
Per year, per year.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
I'm not sure I'm as outraged about this when you're here,
because per year, because if you buy premises that are
large inside, you are paying for the size of the
premises as well. I guess it's just a matter of
making it so it's not totally unaffordable.
Speaker 6 (32:47):
Shane, Well, first of all, I wish we would make
more use of outdoor dining spaces and here at all.
But I suppose that whether it is so changeable, no,
I just think that these fundamental postpos doing it tough there,
tough at the moment, and just a little bit of
a break, you know, because this is an just about
this issue for them. It's about the downturn of customers.
(33:10):
It's about the fact that even if they're getting customers
and they're spending less and so you know, I do feel,
I do feel for our hospitality providers. As I say,
it's not about just simply about this issue. It's about
the clean cumulative issues and who would one run a
restaurant a cafe in twenty twenty four. It's just such
a tough game.
Speaker 5 (33:30):
I rang, I didn't actually know that you did pay
in a lot of places already. I didn't realize in
Auckland they pay, but it isn't a lot. It's just
an annual fee and it's.
Speaker 6 (33:38):
Not a lot.
Speaker 5 (33:39):
So yeah, I mean, I didn't think it was such
a huge amount of money that would make a huge difference.
But I do take Shamee's point. Things are very tough.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
I saw some images of it, and I guess in
places like Auckland people don't use much of the footpaths,
so they're paying for maybe.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
What I don't know.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
I'm to take a guess, eight twelve square meters, whereas
some of the ones outside Tara are and their photos
are locked. I thought, God, that's going to be forty
square meters easily forty to fifty square meters, which would
add up to I don't know, yes, but a nine.
Speaker 6 (34:07):
In terms of in terms of todo. Their CBD needs
all the help it can get in terms of getting
people in then a little bit of vibrancy and getting
people dining out, particularly on a beautiful bay a plenty days,
I think is a good thing to do, and they
shouldn't try and encourage it as best they can, particularly
in this environment.
Speaker 5 (34:26):
You'll be ending up Mayor of todong A, so you're
giving all these things.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
Do you like to set out? I mean it depends
on the weather. I guess. Are you in our fresco
sort of chap I do.
Speaker 6 (34:37):
I'd like our fresco dining, particularly in the in the
late afternoon, if it's a beautiful day, having a having
a weather depends irene very weather depends.
Speaker 5 (34:45):
I'm probably a little bit more indoorsy person.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
I should have canvassed my local cafe because they have
sort of our fresco. But I think it's under the
eves and I'm sure that that's part of their lease
because if they will trust me around and around that
part of the neck of the woods, if you encroached
onto people's pavement, you'll be getting them of the thing you.
Speaker 5 (35:03):
Said, Tim about how the air there is probably quite
a bit bigger. So actually it probably does end up
being quite a bit annually. So yeah, I'm changing my mind.
I'm going to shape.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
Okay, we've changed Irene's mind. That's there.
Speaker 6 (35:14):
We go.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
Job done.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
We've been back in just a moment. It's eleven and
a half minutes to four new stalks hed b and
(35:36):
welcome back to the Weekend Collective. This is the panel
with Shane to Poe and Irene Gardner. I'm Tim Beverage.
A couple more things, guys, we've got time to squeeze it. Oh,
the tragedy around Liam Payne, member of One Direction, which
I did live many of the news bulletins, cover of
the paper and all that sort of thing. I guess
(35:57):
just I did think it was funny that it led
the when we actually managed to the head of hamas
have been killed as well, But I mean that's an
editorial decision as to what's going to get the most flexed.
But a real tragedy and just another young life wasted fame, drugs,
rock and roll.
Speaker 5 (36:14):
So sad, I really worry about that level of fame
at that age in the era of social media. It
just takes such a toll on people. And we don't
know exactly what happened. It sounds like there was some
fairly distressing things happen in his life and he got
drunk and take took drugs and presumably it was an accident.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
But of course we're talking about it because TMZ published.
Speaker 5 (36:38):
His body, which is horrible. I hate that. I mean
TMZ are pretty on the edge anyway, but I think
I think that crossed the line even for them, and
I think they got that message.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
I think that that was not the way I got
the message.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
Does it mean that they will do anything differently or
is it probably not?
Speaker 6 (36:55):
Well, as we know, is all about clickbait, and you know,
this is this is their gig, this is how they
sort of act. I'm not I'm not justifying for one, no, no,
So for the poor fun that and his loved ones
that even even.
Speaker 5 (37:11):
Actually just through young fans, because he had very obvious
tattoos that people know because that's you know, fans know
that sort of stuff.
Speaker 6 (37:19):
And just I was just horrible. Around fourteen years ago,
One Direction was the biggest thing in our household. Our
kids loved One Direction. And my daughter, who now is
how old is she seventeen? She was only three or
four when she was content, and it was One Direction.
Speaker 4 (37:35):
There was Simon cow Creation.
Speaker 6 (37:36):
That's yes, as I understand it, they were individuals and
he said no, no, no, you need to form a group.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
And without without the slick moves, they were just a
bit more sort of ordinary, I guess in terms of
the way they you know, not overly choreographed. I couldn't
tell you a single song. So I'm flying blind on
this one certain age. Speaking of music, I was thinking
(38:02):
that people who do this stuff, who promote these sorts
of fair sestivals, have got big kahones. But Bay Dreams
has been canceled. They know big name artists. I'm strugging
to sell tickets together. And so that's you know, that's
a was once the country's biggest music festival is not
going ahead next year.
Speaker 4 (38:19):
Irene.
Speaker 5 (38:20):
I think it is really tough for concert Land at
the moment. A lot of shows are not selling well,
not selling as well as people might expect, you know,
disposable income. As we've been talking about a lot today.
In this particular instance, it does sound like it was
to do with losing their headline artists Kendrick Lamar and
you can't do a thing like that without a big
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name person.
Speaker 6 (38:42):
Like that, and that is an issue of a lot
of these sort of concerts. There was one out in
Westalkland just a week, just this week, and I don't
know who they the artists, where if even if I
saw their name on the paper. I've never heard of them.
But I would be disturbed if two out of the
four headline acts turn up. And I think that they
made the right call earlier, that this was dicey. They
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want to be respect full of the of the audience
and don't the call. But you know, probably there's a
lot of other great things happening in the bay I'm
looking forward to the roots. Yeah, this love coming across
and roll bands of our era.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
I supported Dion Warwick at bay Fair when she came over.
I don't know how many years ago. It's more than five.
Speaker 4 (39:26):
Actually, they were a lovely audience. It was quite quite would.
Speaker 5 (39:30):
Have a lovely audience.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
She's lovely.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
It was funny because it's near my hometown. And somebody
yelled out in the middle I was introducing something. I
might have been in the middle of something in the
middle of the song, and I think it was someone
who went to school with.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
Very key.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
Anyway, Hey, guys, thank you so much for coming. And
you've got something nice planning for the rest of the day.
Speaker 5 (39:53):
I've got to go to the supermarket there. That's exciting.
Speaker 4 (39:58):
And what about you, it's not exciting.
Speaker 6 (40:02):
Plenty boys to Bair Plenty playing Cannabry in the semi finals,
mpcer excited.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
Oh yes, come on the Bane on the bab exactly.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
I'll be watching the America's.
Speaker 5 (40:12):
Question made something out.
Speaker 4 (40:15):
We'll work on that for next time.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
Anyway, Hey, we'll be back thanks to my panelists there.
We'll be back in just a moment with the one
REEF Radio Sharishy Church joins us. It is three and
a half minutes to four. News Talks edb
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Speaker 2 (00:30):
About the rest a bit about seventy from telling it
would belong with me, damn me, and I could tell
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it would belong with me.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Again. It's a very good afternoon to you. I'm Tim Beveridge.
Welcome to the Weekend Collective. I just had to let
that song roll because we had to get to the
chorus of that because from minute I's going, what is
that actual?
Speaker 4 (01:07):
What is that song? And I was thinking this is
Jon Jet and the.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Blackouts are good to think of the title anyway, it's
of course I love rock and roll.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Ah, there we go. Welcome to the show.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Just looking ahead to the next couple to the subsequent
hours four o'clock for the one roof radio show, we're
joined by Ashley Church. We have to look at that
inflation numbers released this week and how do they impact
property because people will be anticipating lower and lower interest
rates as they go and actually how have they impacted
property just in the last few days and it's now
the time to buy, So we're going to be having
(01:37):
a chat with Ashley Church about that and at that's
at four o'clock and we'll be taking your calls. So
one hundred and eighty ten eighty text nine nine two
and from five o'clock for the parents squad, Nathan Wallace
is a neuroscience educator, is joining us to actually the
simple question are we making parenting harder than it should
be or needs to be? Are we are parents sometimes
complicating things because we're all sort of hovering around like
(01:59):
the helicopter And we're going to have a chat about
helicopter parenting in particular as well, and sport. A few
things to talk about in sport looking forward that we
can look forward to overnight. Of course the Auckland FC
is playing at five o'clock too. That's exciting anyway, right
it is right now, it's nine minutes pass three. Time
(02:20):
to introduce my panelist, as always, a couple of esteemed individuals.
My first is A is A. Well, how do I
describe him? He's a He's a rampant lefty from cowed O.
Originally an old political hack from over the years. I
think it's self described. He writes for The New Zealand Herald,
and he's actually he's a pretty good guy.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
It's Shane to Poe. Get a Shane game.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Nice to see you, And I'll have to be more
polite because because my next guest is just so lovely.
But she is a television producer with some experience and
also a journalist, and she's been an executive. She's just
been that hang around the scene of entertainment TV film
for a little while. And it's Irene Gardener. Hello, Irene,
Hello there, how are you.
Speaker 5 (03:03):
I'm very well. I'm pleased that you describe Shane is
an old heck, but not me.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Ah well, you just picked your ties, had picked that
I might. I might just get you to get a
little closer to Mike's guys and just to point them
towards you.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
There drop.
Speaker 6 (03:20):
No, I don't mind being described as a heck. In fact,
I've got a half a sort of book sort of
drafted the Life of a Party heck.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Really.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Yeah, So I've just given you a bit of an
arts promotion telling some stuff.
Speaker 6 (03:30):
I don't know if anyone's being recent and publishing it,
but just sort of telling some stories about my sort
of time in and around politics.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Because I think there's there are some sort of insults
which really can be can be dished out, which are
really endearing.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
That's what it was meant to be.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
You know, there are some things that you say and
there's just no getting around it.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
It's not good.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
But I think that's a playful sort of little you know,
you can tell me later on.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
I love it. You'll ask me to step out, Well,
we'll make like who was it? Winston and toe henray
and and Trevor.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Yes, yeah, anyway, and how are you doing a keeping?
Speaker 5 (04:05):
Yeah, I'm very well. I'm not planning to fight anybody.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Okay, that's good.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
At this time.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
You've got to watch out for the small ones. They
can be quite vicious.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Anyway, Right, let's get into the politics talking about speaking
of viciousness, viciousness, the Greens have finally voted to Wacker
jump Darlene Tana. I've just found this incredibly entertaining show.
For a while there I thought she had to go.
Then I thought the longer she hangs around, it's just
it's just great.
Speaker 6 (04:34):
Yeah, Okay, if you're not if you're not a Green supporter,
I just think that the Greens have been particularly particularly
emerish over this whole issue. You know, they've been politically immature.
I think the Waker Jumping Bill is a good bill.
I think if you're elected as particularly if you're Listing P,
you know, and you elected as a list m P,
(04:54):
and you fall out of favor with your party, you
know you should no longer be around. And I just
think that the Green Party approached the Wacker Jumping Bill
was immature and it has come back to bite their
bottom well.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Also, it is if something you might not like a law,
but as soon as it is a law, it is
a law that we all have to live on, whether
it does you a favor or not. It's like it's
like you might not agree with the taxation rates, but
we all obey the law. I mean, I don't think
do you think that they were standing on their principles
a bit too long?
Speaker 5 (05:24):
The I ring I felt a little bit more sorry
for them than either of you two, obviously. I mean,
they've had a hell of a year for a few reasons,
some of their own making, some not. And I did
feel a bit for them because it is a tricky
one when you've got a point of principle and then
you have to break your own point of principle for
pragmatic reasons, which is exactly what they had to do.
(05:44):
They have now done it. I think everyone's agreed they
had to do it. It was interesting because I've always
thought about with the Greens. They have a lot of
philosophy and a lot of ideology that we all like
and agree with, particularly the environmental side of things. But
I sometimes think about if something had something strange happened
and they became the government, they would then leave the
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land of ideology and get into the horrible world of
all the pragmatic decisions you have to make. And this
is a minor version of that very very thing, because
it would be really interesting to see a party who
are so ideologically based in the actual real world of
cut and thrust politics and all the compromises that you have.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
That is a massive earth, isn't it in terms of
because they do. I think that's a very good point.
They do live in this land of ideological not in
a way where you know, I'm not sure.
Speaker 6 (06:35):
If the rubber ever hits the road, Yeah, well, try
to find I think it's actually quite remarkable if you
consider all the issues they've had throughout the year. Just
before the election, Elizabeth Cutter cut and then you had
Gorrez sadly official passed away, and now you've got this
(06:56):
and they're still holding you know, they're still holding their
ground pretty much in a lot of senses, and a
lot with most beligbal parties who would have done them
some reputes, take damage that would have flicked onto the polls.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Is there something I was thinking about that Maybe that's
because there's such an ideological party. It's not about the
competence of the members.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
It's just who they represent.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
And they could be represented by Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck
and the rest of the Doesney probably not. But but
as long as the ideas were the.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Same that I think that's the thing.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
It's it's it's their philosophy. You know, a lot of
us agree with, you know, the pure parts of it
we agree with, but it's just, you know, how does
that work?
Speaker 6 (07:39):
Ye knows no secret that the last couple of elections
I've gone in terms of party vote of gone green.
But you know, there is a time, there is a
time that you've got to be practical, You've got to
be pragmatic, and you have to be disciplined. And I
don't think the Greens have been particularly disciplined over this issue.
You know what they need to They need the backside kicker,
they need that. Yeah, I would do that.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
Really, it's a no, no.
Speaker 6 (08:04):
They need a chief of staff that will look would
have looked Darling in the eye and said, Darling, you've
got to go and this is how we're going to
do it.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
I'm just gonna have to call a crash kit for
my producer who just almost fainted. I think when you
said you've had a green ah, No, I'm just kidding,
And now you got to say she's got front, you've
got to have a pretty I mean, is it just
that she's a typical politician and looks she sees things
her way and has convinced herself of this narrative and
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just has because she's stuck around. I mean a lot
of more shrinking violets might have, you know, quietly crept
into the you know, off the side of the road.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
Irene, Well, my experience of employing people just people to
get rid of are always the ones who aren't actually
terribly good and useful. I mean, you know, if someone
wanted to get rid of me from something, I'd be
gone the second I even sort of faintly, you know,
felt that I, oh you don't want me, I'm out
of here. But oh my goodness, I've had some people
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hang in like you would not believe.
Speaker 6 (09:05):
Well, yeah, no, that's right. And you know, I've seen
over the years how totally unrealistic individual politicians can be.
The weather guy from Totonga who was Brendan, who was
married at one time with Winston Peters. He had convinced
himself and he tried to convince me that he was
going to win the next election, that it was his
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personal brand and not the party brand that got him
elected in the first.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
We Well, look, you may have heard of this. It's
one of my favorite statistical sort of bell curves. It's
called the Dunning Kruger. Have you heard of the Dunning
Kruger curve. I just love that for those who I've
mentioned this plenty on talkback. But basically it start your
confidence on the Dunning Kruger syndrome or whatever it is.
Your confidence is maximum when you know nothing, and then
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and when you learn a little bit, your confidence plummets,
and then it gradually grows with experience. And that's un
in Kruger. And I think that sums up a lot
of politicians in the early days. It's like I've got
the answer to the world's problems anyway onitics Now, Look,
Andrew Bailey is in hot water for basically I think
not reading the reading the room very well, not reading
his audience. Apparently he was bantering, I would say, would
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be a generous way of looking at it, telling a
person who was still working at the warehouse that he
was a loser and apparently telling him to f off,
or that he does.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
He does dispute that he apologized straight away. How can
did someone get it so wrong? Ireen? Or is it
this just a bit of banter that's been.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
Well, you know, I'm a bit torn on this one.
People have really been hard on him and sort of
thought that he's been incredibly rude and so on and
so forth, and you know he has apologized and yes,
definitely read the room badly, but.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
You know, readless person before.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
I am not a horrible.
Speaker 5 (10:45):
Person, but I could imagine as a joke in a
situation where there was one worker left jokingly saying, you know,
haven't you got a.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Home to go to?
Speaker 5 (10:56):
Why don't you go home? You know, your big loser
still at work when everybody else has gone, take a
bottle and go. You know, I could imagine saying that
in a joking manner. Now, whether I definitely would say
it in a joking manner to a friend, whether I
would say it to a stranger, and whether I would
say it or I'm a politician, probably, I'm not sure,
but I definitely can believe that I don't think he's
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lying when he says it was lighthearted banter that got
taken rong.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
And we haven't heard from anyone else about it either,
So it's just this.
Speaker 6 (11:25):
But it's hard to read tone have we no But
I think that the full story will come out. But hey, look,
I'm not the most politically correct person in the world.
I would hardly desire and al those Sometimes people say
that I'm woke, but you know I would. I would
never have that conversation with people that I know in
a work environment, let alone people that I don't know
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in a work environment. And I think the I think
the benchmark four minister is higher then somebody else that
works works in a warehouse sort of situation. He did
totally misread the room. But I don't think this story
is over.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Oh, I think you're just what you're saying is I
don't want the story to be of a because there's more,
there's more fun that we had with it.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
No, look, I.
Speaker 6 (12:09):
Wondered why the guy if the words weren't said, whether
they were said in gest or whatever, why would the
guy make up a story.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
I don't think he's made up a story.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
I think he's just a disagreement.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
He's got a different sensibility. I think he was genuinely
hurt and offended, and I think he made but I don't.
Speaker 6 (12:30):
Look, I try to have a sense of humor. But
why would you call someone a loser?
Speaker 2 (12:36):
I would? I would.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
I can imagine someone saying having to do the overnight.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
Yeah, I see, I would say that as a joke,
and I'd get away with it, but probably wouldn't if
I was a politician, because and certainly not to someone
I didn't know. So no, I look, I have a
little bit of sympathy for him because I think in
a lot of situations it probably would have been water
off for ducks back. But I think he's read this
person in this situation badly, and he's hurt the person.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
But he's also, to his credit, an apology. It seemed
it was an honest apology. You know what, the worst
thing anyone can do is go, I don't know what
the guy's problem is. He's risk messing me.
Speaker 6 (13:14):
Now.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
Of course I'm not apologizing. I was joking.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
That would have been you know, you just say, look,
I was joking, but it didn't land, and I feel terrible.
I've upset this person.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
Um, okay, well he'll be thrilled. We're talking about him now.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
The number now, number of people on job seeker benefit
up twelve percent in the year to September. Sounds it
sounds so a little less harmless when you talk about
the number of people on the job seeker benefit. But
let's interpret of that is it's unemployed basically, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
Yeah, what do you make of a Shane?
Speaker 6 (13:45):
Oh, the numbers are increasing. You know, we're probably going
to see about it pan out at about five point
ninety six percent. But here's the thing to that that's
across that's average across the country. What it means is
that mlory unemployment likely to ten to eleven percent, youth
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unemployment at at twenty three to twenty four percent. And
what I do know is from my experience in the
eighties and nineties is when unemployment gets it high, becomes
entrenched and it becomes generational and you see whole towns
closed down and it takes years to get it back.
And you know, we're going to talk a little bit
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in a minute about what's happening in Timuru. You know
that's only a small community. Five hundred jobs gone and
a small community is devastating. You know, I'm from Colda,
I've seen that before, and it just means generational unemployment
and poverty.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
I hope that with Irene, with inflation having been and
now down to two point two, that was that was
quite a big drop. Then hopefully the sting has come
out of the bad news from now on.
Speaker 5 (14:51):
I don't know, well a social development employment and Sir
Louis Upston tried to say that that it's you know,
it's on the turn. I don't know. I mean it
was no great surprise. I mean we all know the
economy is terrible and then it's a kind of a
global post pandemic thing really, but yeah, all of the
things that Shane said are right. It's horrible for you know,
social situations and you know, small communities, everything really so yeah,
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I don't know this. Look, I am not an economist.
I can't stop thinking about the fact that when this
government came in, I know that you could definitely have
mounted an argument that as things should have been tightening
up after the necessary pandemic spending, the previous government had
perhaps been a bit loose around the edges with money.
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But this government just kept saying, over and over and
over gone again, how terrible everything was, terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible.
And doesn't that then become a self fulfilling prophecy. Didn't
they actually make it worse by saying talking it down?
Speaker 3 (15:55):
I don't think so much. I think, in fact, I
think the politicians. The blame and the credit on politicians
is less attributable to them than it is Adrian Or
went through and actually the world inflation. The government pumped
money out there and inflation, and he's tried to bring
it back. He pumped a lot of cheap money out there,
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and then he's he's basically acted too late a couple
of times. I think he acted too late in terms
of dolling out the cheap money in a property market,
going through the roof and everything.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
And then he sat on it. It basically just yeah,
I mean, all of that would.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
Have happened anyway, Whatever would have happened in the economy,
would have happen anyway. But I just I just think
they went I mean, all governments get in and blame
the other one for everything, but I just think they
went overboard with painting that real gloom picture.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (16:45):
But also, you know, we do have to look at
some facts outside of that spending period, which was COVID,
and we're going to argue whether or not our Dons
government was too slow, not reacted enough, whether lockdown's sort
of ended sooner, and all that sort of thing. But
if you have the pure facts, the lending ratio under
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this government, if you just exclude that point in terms
of COVID, is more than the last government. And I
think there's been some fundamental sort of missteps here. You know,
borrowing seventeen billion dollars for tax cuts is like pain
is like paying your mortgage on your credit card. It
just doesn't make sense.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Well, yeah, I mean I was all for shifting the
tax brackets. I think they were a high time for that,
but actually on that we hadn't slaid it. For conversation,
but just doing god a dame hood. I sort of
thought to myself that maybe she should have got it here,
but I'm not particularly interested, to be honest, Irene, I.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
Was just taken with the fact that Prince William really
suits that beard. He's great, he looks really handsome.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
I think you're a beard person because you told me
off almost for shaving mine eye.
Speaker 5 (17:50):
He looks really good with that beard, So that's what
I was thinking. But I was also thinking how lovely
it was. So no, it didn't worry me that it
didn't happen here.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
Excellent. Right, We're going to come back.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
We've got lots more things to cover, and we will
touch on the Timoru Meatworks closure and stories around that,
but also touch on Trump's playlist as well during the
course of the panel. This is the panel on News Talks.
It'd be I'm Tim Beveridge and I'm with Irene Gardener
and Shane to Poe. Will be back in a moment.
It's twenty five past three. Sure's good time, bad squad.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
It's all boats.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Moving up that.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
Moving.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Hey, welcome back to the panel. I'm Tim Beveridge. This
is the Weekend Collective. My guests are Irene Gardner and
Shane to Poe. Now we continue with a little bit
of the politic political stories. The sad news of the
Timaru Meat works, the confirmation of the closure. And I'm
not I mean this is bad and good news. It's
bad news for Timroo, but good news for the workers
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that have lost their jobs at the recruiters. The recruiters
from Australia have moved in to capture a few of
the staff who are going to be made redundant.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
Shane, what's your reaction to that.
Speaker 6 (19:06):
Yeah, it is very it is very sad news for Tomato.
You know, the loss of six hundred jobs in a
small community. I think, as I've said already on the
show today, is generational and I am really concerned about
our talent flight to Australia. Just last week we lost
eighteen hundred New Zealanders, the week before just under two thousand,
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averaging in about two thousand, and it just seems to
meet them that they're perhaps the brightest and the best.
And when I think the economy will turn a corner.
But when it does turn a corner, I don't think
we're going to have the workforce to fulfill some of
our basic obligations such as infrastructural growth.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
I guess is this something that's always happening? Irene that
if you look back over the decades, there are always
headlines about, you know, the last person leaving new Zeum
and turn out the lights? Is this me or are
you particularly worried about this? That means another bloody Australian
the headline?
Speaker 4 (19:58):
Isn't it that? Even coming over any things?
Speaker 5 (20:01):
Do you feel? You know, pretty tough at the moment,
but you I've lived a long time. There's been other
tough times, I guess. I mean, and you know, industries
move and change and things like this happened. But you know,
as Shane said, in a tiny place like Timurrow, it's
pretty devastating. It's going to make a huge difference to
the fabric of that place.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
You know.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
It's that sort of can't I mean, it's hard to
be too angry at the Aussies because for those people
who have lost their jobs, who've got an opportunity, it's good.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
I mean, it's actually good for those young people to
have that opportunity. It's just as Shane said, if things
turn and we.
Speaker 6 (20:34):
Need them back, well yeah, and I think the other
issue is this that if I was half the ag
I was now and I was out without employment, I
would look seriously going to Australia. I would look at
going to a place where you're not playing the outrageous
prices for rent and housing as you are in here
in tom Wickey Makoto. And the other thing is that
they have a bloody good superannuation program. I think it's
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up at twelve percent now that they're useful with trillions
of dollars that they use for investment, and I just
think they get some of those fundamentals right and we
New Zealand have not.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Now, look that's why can't I and Pumston North Hospital.
The discussions around telling staff to only speak English, I
sort of I struggle with this in many respects because
I don't really have a problem. I think that what
worries me is that I wonder if the genesis of
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the story is some xenophobia. And that's what worries me
because I think that when it comes to common sense,
if I was in the hospital, I wouldn't want the
staff discussing my case in a different language. But then again,
I'd be quite happy for them to associate with each
other at the what's the station they go to, or
even if as long as I don't know, I just
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wonder if there's a little bit of xenophobia sitting behind
this which makes it have a bit of a stench.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
That it's I had exactly the same thought, the basic
thing of you know, when you're in the public areas
where the patients can hear you, English is our common language.
It's just common sense. I don't think there's necessarily anything
awful about clarifying that. I don't think they were saying
you can't talk in another language, you know, when you're
just talking to your friends or whatever. And in fact,
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I would assume that if you have a patient of
the same language, there would be a logic in talking
to them in their language. So but yeah, I just
wonder where it came from, and was it some well
racist ish people going I don't like hearing that language
around member.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
I think that that's the problem with it, because it just.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
It ended up feeling really heavy handed about something that
probably should just be left to find its own way.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
I also wonder whether these things should be dealt with.
I know it's a large hospital and things, but as
soon as you commit a statement like that on email,
it's open to interpretation any respect as a post to
someone going around individually talking to team leaders and saying, listen,
can we in this context just please be careful that
you're not excluding the.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
Paine, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
It makes it bigger than it is committing it to emails.
Speaker 6 (23:07):
Look, I've just in parallel with this this year. Unfortunately,
I've spent too much time in and around hospitals lately
with the sick phun I remember, and I'll tell you what,
the man Mirgrant. Nurses rock.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
Yeah, it wasn't.
Speaker 6 (23:19):
If it wasn't for the nurses, we would have we
would really struggle. They're committed, they're hard working, They've come
here to make a better life for them and their families,
and let's just give them a little break.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
Folks.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
You've just reminded me when my parents were both in
sort of hospital care during COVID and they died quite
close to one another in terms of a couple of
months apart. And I've just remembered the fantastic staff there,
and I'm sure my memory is that outside of the rooms,
they were all speaking a different language, and I never
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gave it a second thought because they were looking after
my mum and my dad, and they did it beautifully,
and they are compassionate, warm hearted people and and that's
why these stories.
Speaker 5 (24:03):
And I'm sure that those people get get some racism
in their day.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Yeah, so you know, I did see.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
An interesting reference just which triggered a slightly satirical side
of the story. Was I think arian Zed might have
talked about somebody made a comment about the official languages
you can communicate with. I would be very nervous if
the nursing staff were discussing my medication and signing.
Speaker 5 (24:25):
But it is an official language.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
Sure, it's the one that's designed to if they.
Speaker 5 (24:31):
Started sort of going slit across your throat, yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
Going I'm not good flag.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
There we go.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
We had to add some levity now.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Speaking of Leberty Trump dancing Donald Trump's town hall. So
there are a couple of medical events, a couple of
people fainted, but he played basically, he just stopped taking
questions and played music for forty minutes.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
And funnily enough, I had a couple of songs on
the playlist. What did you make of it?
Speaker 5 (25:11):
Weird?
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Weird?
Speaker 6 (25:12):
I just I just can't get over the fact that
he could well win the election. At beast, it's going
to be pretty close from my perspective. Having said that, Tim,
I'm actually quite excited. I'm going to a Trump rally.
I'm off to Pennsylvania and New York and DC and
Virginia on Thursday, and I want to see the theater
of it.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Actually, it's almost like, if you go to New York,
you've got to go to Broadway. If you go somewhere
where Trump's having a rally, you've got to go check
it out. You'd go, wouldn't you, Ira.
Speaker 5 (25:39):
No, Okay, I couldn't stand it. I can't stand the
sound of his voice.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Now.
Speaker 5 (25:45):
I do hope you're going to learn the Trump.
Speaker 6 (25:47):
Dance before you go to the We're not going to
be dancing with.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
It, because it seems to involve like a very still
body and then arms and hands that sort of It's
an interesting maneuver. So yeah, the Trump keeps it.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
I won't share on air the description of what he
looks like he's doing because it's a little bit naughty.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
But I do love a bit of Y M c A.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Because that was one of the ones on their playlist.
I think I can't remember what else.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
There was another one, yeah, and Rufus Wainwright was terribly
upset because it was his version.
Speaker 6 (26:16):
Well, this happens all the time, stop and desisted, which
you know a little bit about tim from artists is huge.
I remember Ronald Reagan. Ronald Reagan used to play Born
in the USA, and the boss said, no, you're going
to stop this and also listen to the words.
Speaker 5 (26:33):
And Tom Petty, who was on my T shirt today,
his family, his estate, and not keen on Donald using
I won't back down because.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Actually I think I don't think they've got so much
of a complaint that if he just put on some
music during the course, if he used it as a campaign,
you know, I mean, it's like saying he can't players.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
I mean, he can play what he wants.
Speaker 5 (26:54):
There was stoush about my Way, and I remember Nancy
Sinatra saying, has he not listened to the first two
lines of the song?
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Now it's the final kid, I've forgotten about that.
Speaker 6 (27:07):
Yeah, And when he was and at one concert he
finished off with a huge rendition of the song from Titanic,
the song from the.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Titanic, Oh yeah, my Heart will go on. But of
course you know the Titanic did sink. Hey, it does
look like it's going to be very close. Shane, you
are going to be there. You are quite a follow
of this. Yes, I've I've sort of tuned out for
the last two or three weeks.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
It's just been quite nice.
Speaker 6 (27:32):
Yeah, no, I get that. I tune out just to
sort of save my sanity. But yeah, all the polls,
this is going to be one or lost in six
or seven swing states. But those polls are close. And remember, folks,
at the last election, Joe Biden only actually won the
election by forty one thousand votes.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
That was it.
Speaker 6 (27:53):
That's amazing between being in the White House and not
in the White House. And I just think it shows
the real deep divisions that lurk within the American society
at the moment.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
Yeah, what do you reckon? You're going to call it?
Speaker 5 (28:07):
I think the Democrats are going to win. They'll certainly
when the popular vote. The electoral college system is so weird.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
It's so weird sometimes, can anyone understand it?
Speaker 3 (28:19):
Somewhere has started voting now, and there's been in North Carolina,
and their early turnout has been quite quite a big deal.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
I don't know what that means.
Speaker 6 (28:27):
But it's a big deal because it's normally younger people,
people who tend to vote to the left. They get
out early, and it's all about turnout, So I think
that's important. Yeah, that's going down to North Carolina at
the moment. But yeah, we'll just have to see. And
I think the next two or three weeks as we
lead up the election are going to be critical and
I can't wait to be there and see what's happening
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and learn.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
The dark I'd laton for punishment. Right, We're going to
take a quick break.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
My guests, I'm Tim Beverage, Shane to Poe and Irene Gardner,
and I guess this is the this is our panel
on the Weekend Collective News Talks. He'd be it's twenty
one minutes to four, and welcome back to the Weekend Collective.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
Gosh. I still think that the song doesn't.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
Really sound like a normal Queen song because it's just
sort of so sort of old school rock and roll.
But anyway, there it is once described to me by
an esteemed colleague who knows quite a bit about music,
Our Queen.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
They're a bit of a novelty band, aren't they. Okay, anyway,
welcome back to the Weekend Collective. This is the panel.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Shane to Poe and Irene Gardner are my guests and panelists.
Should I say we won't linger on this too much
because i' I'm not sure I like the facts of
some of the procedures that were performed without consent, but
medical students performing procedures without consent at north Shore Hospital.
Apparently there's been a complaint from a nurse who is
concerned over the services being provided to patients. I must
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say I've always just assumed probably there was a time
when nobody signed for consent.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
These days it's pretty important, isn't it, Irene?
Speaker 2 (30:02):
It is?
Speaker 5 (30:03):
And you know these these were intimate examinations, and it
was dunior medical staff who didn't you know, who hadn't
got the consent. So interesting that it was nurses who
blew the whistle. Isn't it always the nurses who come
in and save.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Everybody, Which tells me that it does seem a bit
iffy that people.
Speaker 5 (30:28):
Working just the nurses. I suspect this is one of
those things that in a busy health system, busy hospitals.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
No harm was meant.
Speaker 5 (30:37):
It was probably just being a little bit loose around
the edges. But actually when you tryn't sort of talking
about very personal and medical stuff like that.
Speaker 6 (30:46):
You just have to be a bit careful.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
I think.
Speaker 6 (30:48):
I think consents are very fundamental issue when one was
in hospital. And again, I've had some experience about this
that I wouldn't want anyone else to have to go through, actually,
and I just think that this was a systemic issue
and it should have been identified early. And yeah, good
on nurseful saying what she said, and I bet she
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did raise it internally, and I bet she did try
to deal with it, and obviously it hasn't been I.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Had a procedure on a slightly related matter. But of
course it's important for young doctors to get experience with
this thing. And I did have a procedure one, so
I can't I think it might have been can't be
aboard which one it was, because I've had a couple recently.
But the specialist actually said, look, this is my colleague.
I would like to be able to have them perform
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the procedure with your permission, and I'll be looking right
over the shoulder, And.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
It was the way he sort of said it.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
I was like, okay, you sure, but of course that's
how you get that's how that's how you get experience.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
I don't think.
Speaker 6 (31:51):
I don't think if content was followed, you know that
people would have at least that they had that that
that at least they could have made that decision. And
informed content I think is important.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Hey, just moving on to slightly lighter matters, the fresco
dining fees. So these new outdoor street dining charges, there's
been labels of disrespectful and piling more miserable misery on
struggling hospitality businesses. So changes to Auckland City Council rules.
I think it's about one hundred and sixty bucks one
(32:21):
hundred and fifty dollars per square meter of street used
and half that from Ount Central.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
Per year, per year.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
I'm not sure I'm as outraged about this when you're here,
because per year, because if you buy premises that are
large inside, you are paying for the size of the
premises as well. I guess it's just a matter of
making it so it's not totally unaffordable.
Speaker 6 (32:47):
Shane, Well, first of all, I wish we would make
more use of outdoor dining spaces and here at all.
But I suppose that whether it is so changeable, no,
I just think that these fundamental postpos doing it tough there,
tough at the moment, and just a little bit of
a break, you know, because this is an just about
this issue for them. It's about the downturn of customers.
(33:10):
It's about the fact that even if they're getting customers
and they're spending less and so you know, I do feel,
I do feel for our hospitality providers. As I say,
it's not about just simply about this issue. It's about
the clean cumulative issues and who would one run a
restaurant a cafe in twenty twenty four. It's just such
a tough game.
Speaker 5 (33:30):
I rang, I didn't actually know that you did pay
in a lot of places already. I didn't realize in
Auckland they pay, but it isn't a lot. It's just
an annual fee and it's.
Speaker 6 (33:38):
Not a lot.
Speaker 5 (33:39):
So yeah, I mean, I didn't think it was such
a huge amount of money that would make a huge difference.
But I do take Shamee's point. Things are very tough.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
I saw some images of it, and I guess in
places like Auckland people don't use much of the footpaths,
so they're paying for maybe.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
What I don't know.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
I'm to take a guess, eight twelve square meters, whereas
some of the ones outside Tara are and their photos
are locked. I thought, God, that's going to be forty
square meters easily forty to fifty square meters, which would
add up to I don't know, yes, but a nine.
Speaker 6 (34:07):
In terms of in terms of todo. Their CBD needs
all the help it can get in terms of getting
people in then a little bit of vibrancy and getting
people dining out, particularly on a beautiful bay a plenty days,
I think is a good thing to do, and they
shouldn't try and encourage it as best they can, particularly
in this environment.
Speaker 5 (34:26):
You'll be ending up Mayor of todong A, so you're
giving all these things.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
Do you like to set out? I mean it depends
on the weather. I guess. Are you in our fresco
sort of chap I do.
Speaker 6 (34:37):
I'd like our fresco dining, particularly in the in the
late afternoon, if it's a beautiful day, having a having
a weather depends irene very weather depends.
Speaker 5 (34:45):
I'm probably a little bit more indoorsy person.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
I should have canvassed my local cafe because they have
sort of our fresco. But I think it's under the
eves and I'm sure that that's part of their lease
because if they will trust me around and around that
part of the neck of the woods, if you encroached
onto people's pavement, you'll be getting them of the thing you.
Speaker 5 (35:03):
Said, Tim about how the air there is probably quite
a bit bigger. So actually it probably does end up
being quite a bit annually. So yeah, I'm changing my mind.
I'm going to shape.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
Okay, we've changed Irene's mind. That's there.
Speaker 6 (35:14):
We go.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
Job done.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
We've been back in just a moment. It's eleven and
a half minutes to four new stalks hed b and
(35:36):
welcome back to the Weekend Collective. This is the panel
with Shane to Poe and Irene Gardner. I'm Tim Beverage.
A couple more things, guys, we've got time to squeeze it. Oh,
the tragedy around Liam Payne, member of One Direction, which
I did live many of the news bulletins, cover of
the paper and all that sort of thing. I guess
(35:57):
just I did think it was funny that it led
the when we actually managed to the head of hamas
have been killed as well, But I mean that's an
editorial decision as to what's going to get the most flexed.
But a real tragedy and just another young life wasted fame, drugs,
rock and roll.
Speaker 5 (36:14):
So sad, I really worry about that level of fame
at that age in the era of social media. It
just takes such a toll on people. And we don't
know exactly what happened. It sounds like there was some
fairly distressing things happen in his life and he got
drunk and take took drugs and presumably it was an accident.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
But of course we're talking about it because TMZ published.
Speaker 5 (36:38):
His body, which is horrible. I hate that. I mean
TMZ are pretty on the edge anyway, but I think
I think that crossed the line even for them, and
I think they got that message.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
I think that that was not the way I got
the message.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
Does it mean that they will do anything differently or
is it probably not?
Speaker 6 (36:55):
Well, as we know, is all about clickbait, and you know,
this is this is their gig, this is how they
sort of act. I'm not I'm not justifying for one, no, no,
So for the poor fun that and his loved ones
that even even.
Speaker 5 (37:11):
Actually just through young fans, because he had very obvious
tattoos that people know because that's you know, fans know
that sort of stuff.
Speaker 6 (37:19):
And just I was just horrible. Around fourteen years ago,
One Direction was the biggest thing in our household. Our
kids loved One Direction. And my daughter, who now is
how old is she seventeen? She was only three or
four when she was content, and it was One Direction.
Speaker 4 (37:35):
There was Simon cow Creation.
Speaker 6 (37:36):
That's yes, as I understand it, they were individuals and
he said no, no, no, you need to form a group.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
And without without the slick moves, they were just a
bit more sort of ordinary, I guess in terms of
the way they you know, not overly choreographed. I couldn't
tell you a single song. So I'm flying blind on
this one certain age. Speaking of music, I was thinking
(38:02):
that people who do this stuff, who promote these sorts
of fair sestivals, have got big kahones. But Bay Dreams
has been canceled. They know big name artists. I'm strugging
to sell tickets together. And so that's you know, that's
a was once the country's biggest music festival is not
going ahead next year.
Speaker 4 (38:19):
Irene.
Speaker 5 (38:20):
I think it is really tough for concert Land at
the moment. A lot of shows are not selling well,
not selling as well as people might expect, you know,
disposable income. As we've been talking about a lot today.
In this particular instance, it does sound like it was
to do with losing their headline artists Kendrick Lamar and
you can't do a thing like that without a big
(38:41):
name person.
Speaker 6 (38:42):
Like that, and that is an issue of a lot
of these sort of concerts. There was one out in
Westalkland just a week, just this week, and I don't
know who they the artists, where if even if I
saw their name on the paper. I've never heard of them.
But I would be disturbed if two out of the
four headline acts turn up. And I think that they
made the right call earlier, that this was dicey. They
(39:04):
want to be respect full of the of the audience
and don't the call. But you know, probably there's a
lot of other great things happening in the bay I'm
looking forward to the roots. Yeah, this love coming across
and roll bands of our era.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
I supported Dion Warwick at bay Fair when she came over.
I don't know how many years ago. It's more than five.
Speaker 4 (39:26):
Actually, they were a lovely audience. It was quite quite would.
Speaker 5 (39:30):
Have a lovely audience.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
She's lovely.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
It was funny because it's near my hometown. And somebody
yelled out in the middle I was introducing something. I
might have been in the middle of something in the
middle of the song, and I think it was someone
who went to school with.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
Very key.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
Anyway, Hey, guys, thank you so much for coming. And
you've got something nice planning for the rest of the day.
Speaker 5 (39:53):
I've got to go to the supermarket there. That's exciting.
Speaker 4 (39:58):
And what about you, it's not exciting.
Speaker 6 (40:02):
Plenty boys to Bair Plenty playing Cannabry in the semi finals,
mpcer excited.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
Oh yes, come on the Bane on the bab exactly.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
I'll be watching the America's.
Speaker 5 (40:12):
Question made something out.
Speaker 4 (40:15):
We'll work on that for next time.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
Anyway, Hey, we'll be back thanks to my panelists there.
We'll be back in just a moment with the one
REEF Radio Sharishy Church joins us. It is three and
a half minutes to four. News Talks edb
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