Today on The Panel, Tim Beveridge is joined by Irene Gardiner and Simon Wilson to discuss the biggest stories from the week that was.
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This lot sometimes not always.
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as I say, esteemed panelists. My first look, he's an
old hack for the New Zealand Herald. He's loved by
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his readers. He wasn't listening then, wasn't he?
Speaker 2 (02:38):
And I love them. It's Simon Wilson. Thank you, Tim,
Thank you. Listen Tim. You you were telling me just
before that you're going to be singing tonight on Christmas
carols and I've got a challenge for you. That was
Shane McGowan and Custom we were just listening to and
I reckon, you need to get out to the great
Christmas Tree at the bottom of Queen Street that's been
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put up there. Four day lights and all the rest
of the big budget one. Yeah, the big budget one
that rape Pas did pay for. But does it look good?
It It looks fantastic. The lights all go off. You
get out there, find yourself accoustic mcchole singing some songs
like that, and I'll come along and give money to
a charity of your You could come to my concert tonight.
I've even arrange your ticket for you. You're not singing POGs, No, No, it'd.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Be a bit short, short notice to rehearse with the
North Shore Brass. Actually, I'll tell you what quite the
sound of a brass band. I actually went to the
well obviously, I went to the rehearsal because it's quite
important and I got quite emotional listening because it's got us.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
I don't know, it's it's got a really beautiful timber
at times. The brass band. It's actually quite Yeah, it
was a lot more than Trump.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Anyway, I better introduce it because southwise she's going to
be left out and not be able to have her
shot from the sidelines. And she is well well, longtime
television producer, executive producer, and her name. I'm giving you
just a nice sort of esteemed member of the media
type of introduction. Irene Gardener, Hello, Irene, how are you.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
I'm very well, Thank you, Tim. I like Simon's image
of you busking down by the Christmas tree desperately trying
to get money in a hat.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Yeah, I have never busked.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Well, let's go.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
You never never bust and I never. I don't plan.
It wasn't your New Year's resolution at the beginning of
this year. Can you play new things? Can you play
the guitar or something?
Speaker 1 (04:20):
No?
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Oh, well, because I was going to say, if you
join me and you play play the guitar, you and
I will meet at the Christmas Tree and I could
bust a couple of.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Notes or something like that.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
I didn't realize you had a little bit of Cotney
any of there, Simon the spoon playing. Anyway, Welcome to
the show, guys, and look, we specially selected this topic
to start with for you, Simon, because probably actually I
probably shouldn't go to you, actually, because you'll have plenty
to say on this and arguably the final weird but anyway,
so we'll start with Irene and you can just sit
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there simmering quietly. Transport in our biggest city is facing
a major shake up. The government strips Auckland Transport of
an array of planning powers and basically they're giving back
the power on the local street to local boards into
the council. It's basically aimed at restoring dramatic democratic decision
making Irene popular with the voters, do you think, or
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with the drivers or drivers?
Speaker 4 (05:17):
Well, it's funny because Simon and I were joking before
we started about everything I know about this your issue
I read in his column, So that's.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Why I thought i'd give it to question. You can
plagiarize them to your heart.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Think I actually know enough to know for sure whether
Auckland Transport has been doing a good job, a bad job,
or a middling job. From reading Simon's excellent column, I'd
say sort of middling ish. Yeah, not as bad as
people maybe paint them. But I think my general comment
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on this, and we can get the specifics from Simon,
is I'm always slightly nervous about government taking over anything.
I think you're better to fix the thing than hand
it over. Ye, that would be my reservation.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
You're not big on government running things. You should be
voting for a well. I guess the only question before
we got.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
A Simon is you are a transport user of some
of some sort, whether you rely on public versus private.
But have you had moments where you curse Auckland Transport
because a confession I have.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Actually no, but to be fair, I work from home
and I don't need I almost never have to travel
and rush hour. I'm also a non driver, which is
quite unusual for US, but I catch a republic transport.
You know, I'm a great fan of the link bus
and I catch trains and things, and I actually find
it to be a good service and perfectly fine. I mean,
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I hate as a pedestrian that you know, half of
Auckland isn't accessible and I'm tripping over things and rode coones,
but you know that is kind of the nature of
having to build something. So hmm.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Okay, Simon, it's like it's like a little boy, can
I please my presence?
Speaker 2 (07:08):
It's actually not quite like that because I find these
guys brown and Brown, you know, Simeon and Wayne. They
live rent free in my head and it's doing their head.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
And frankly, do you go at night and when you're
trying to get to sleep you wake up at two
o'clock in the morning and Simeon and Wayne pop into
your head.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
And you're like, I'm going to I'm not going to
confess to it being that bad, okay. But I find
this one quite extraordinary because it's been built, as you said,
as a return to democracy, giving people bank power, local
boards get more power, Auckland Council gets power off Auckland Transport.
I don't read the moves like that at all, is
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it more Auckland Council has a say? Now, well, what
will happen is that the old CEO model where Auckland
Transport theoretically was guided in policy by Auckland Council, but
they had a bad habit of not always doing what
Auckland Council asked them to do, even though those things
are written down that policy and letters of intent on
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all of But the things they particularly didn't do that
Auckland Council instructed them to do are not necessarily the
things that people get upset about with Auckland Transport. For example,
there is an emissions reduction plan in this city which
Auckland Transport has no plan to meet, even though the
plan says transport emissions will significantly go down through this decade.
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So I don't know that that's where Simyon Brown's coming
from with his complaints. One of the big taels for
the whole thing is that instead of Auckland Transport having
an independent authority and being guided by Auckland Council, now
we're going to have government directly at the table, playing
a very important role in the direct decision making. Government
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controls a lot of the money, and Simeon Brown has
said is no way we're going to give up control.
Of the money that we have, so that he said,
for example, local boards are now going to be able
to make decisions for themselves in their areas about things
like speed limit and cycle ways and speed bumps and
all and car parks and shopping centers and so on.
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In fact, the Simi and Brown's own government policy statement
and the budget make it very clear that there is
no money to do any of those things. Mean, Brown
made it clear that he wouldn't be putting any money in.
So there's talk about it being more democratic, in reality,
it's not going to be. Actually also sort of look,
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I'm pleased that something's changing, and I don't know how
it's going to work.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
I'm not over it, and in the same way you are.
But I find have found over the course, as of
motorists and public transport user from time to time Auckland
Track some of the things they do just really frustrating,
and I formed a very very negative opinion.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
I'm not very good at es. Usually in the moment,
I don't keep a list. Sort of Okay, look, I
know what he's saying. Everybody, including me, has things they
really wish Auckland Transport would sort out and be better
at But here's an example of the kinds of problems
we're looking at. Everybody knows that the trains have been
unreliable this year. There have been lots of times when
they haven't run at all because of the work being
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done on the tracks, and sometimes they run late. That
is not Auckland Transport. That is KiwiRail, a government agency.
Auckland Transport has no ability to influence that, but people
blame Auckland. And another example is lots of people say
I would catch the bus if the bus didn't take
so long. But the reason buses take a long time
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in some parts of the city is that they get
stuck on arterial roads with cars parked where the bus
lane should be, and the attempts to remove those car
parks so that those buses can flow smoothly are intensely resisted.
So you might be in the camp that says, I
want the buses to go more quickly and therefore get
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the car parks off the arterials, or you might be
in the camp that says, leave the car parks. I
want that car park near my shop or whatever. You're
not ever going to get both of those two camps.
Do you like the do you like the changes at
all or do you not like No, I don't like
them at all. I like the idea that there's a
shake up. As you said yourself, I don't think the
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I don't think simply saying we're going to have Auckland
Council running things is a terrific way to go. And
I was at an Auckland Council meeting this week. There's
a Transport committee, which is all the councilors. They couldn't
start the meeting because not enough councilors or the mayor
bothered to turn up in time. These are the people
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who think they're ready for more governance responsibility and it
was really prettier.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Well, well, the proof of the pudding will be in
the eating, and of course returning the power to local boards.
Of course I couldn't even tell you. I can tell
you the name of one of my local board members,
and so I sometimes think, you know, even if you
are to restoring more democratic parents like well, okay, let's
see how that plays out, hopefully in a positive way.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Anyway.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
People can read Simon's piece when was it in the
Tuesday Good Stuff? Look on the other political side of things, Well,
the two youths have gone missing from a boot camp,
so which is obviously not great. But we've had obviously
things are not going to go smoothly. There's been the
tragic death of one young person as well, and so
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the opposition calling for boot camps to be abolished and
all that sort of thing. I think it's worth mentioning
before I throw to you guys that the Children's Commissioner,
I don't find that the word boot camp very helpful
at all is a description. In fact, I don't even
think it actually describes them at all. Even the Children's
Commissioner said, I went there, I didn't see anything vaguely militaristic.
And so to me, these are programs for young offenders
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that have got given this epithet to them. But does
the failure doesn't it an absconding or two? Does that
spell doom for u iren?
Speaker 4 (12:54):
I don't know. I find this all quite sad. I mean,
the whole boot camp and you know, it isn't really
hopefully thing. You know, it's one of those things that
say to attract a certain type of voter, you know,
it sounds like you're being tough on crime. And when
all of this was being talked about. It was highly
criticized because most you know, factual documation, documentation and research
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says that they don't really work. And of course we're
just coming out of the abuse and care inquiring and
all of that. So there was a lot of opposition
to this. And I remember talking about it when it
was about to start and I said, perhaps because there
has been so much opposition to it, they will be
so determined to make this program be positive and work
and be something good, that it will be something good.
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But to hear that you know a child and they
are children is dead, Okay, that's sort of one step
removed because it's a car accident and two have now
absconded after the Tangy. I don't know. It just all
doesn't feel very good, does it well?
Speaker 2 (13:58):
To me?
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Simon, it just shows that what it's actually highlighted. I
think it's been almost informative for the media, sorry for
the public, is how difficult it is and how really
these really are a program of last resort for some
kids who have really gone off the rails and you know,
outside of their age, would otherwise be deemed to be
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pretty serious criminals.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Look, I think what are in set is exactly right.
We're in this appalling situation where the term boot camp
is used for popularist reasons, funny enough, but not by
the people who by the people who are running it,
and Wisdom Peters said, what was it last week that
you know people go into the army. It's very good
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for them, and there's nothing wrong with the boot camps.
Boot camps not this isn't run by the army, doesn't
run on militaristic lines. What is good about those boot
camps is that they provide levels of health and welfare
and educational care that is wrap around intensive to those
children who are there. And those things are good. Should
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they be happening in a residential lock up facility or
should that be happening in another context? I don't know now.
But what is clear is that underneath the rhetoric, the
state is trying to find a yeah, not just a
human humane way to do this, but actually a productive
way to do it that gets good results. We want that, yes, exactly.
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And you see, if they succeed, let's be really pessimistic
and say they only reform thirty percent, which actually might
be a good result. That's probably quite a good.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
But given the the on flow effects of young people
who go on to become seasoned offenders. Even that's a
win to me. And I have to say when I
heard the opposition saying, oh, can the boot camps and
all that sort of things, It's like, you know what
this is.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
It's not a boot camp. You're using that word.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Simply to score political points, when in fact these programs
may make a difference for a small number of kids.
And if you know what, if they do, then I
would love that does a win for the program other
of you sort.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Of, I just think it's kind of hard to know
in fact, how well are they doing this? And look,
I don't know, you know.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
But I mean, you know, I mean you could say,
let's ban boarding scores because kids have gone from those
as well. I mean, I think everything's failed. Everything has
a failure rate in life. It's it's even let's ban
driving because we have a road toll. I mean, there's
plenty of examples.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
I was at a poverty conference in Wellington a couple
of weeks ago. A lot of impressive speakers there. One
of them was Ida Melosi, who is the Chief Youth
Court judge, and she made the comment that takes a
village to solve the problems that a village created, which
I think was a nice spin on the old saying.
But she she said, what we see. We see our
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job in the youth courts as taking people who are
have gone off the rails, behaving extremely badly, and we
try to work out what has caused that and how
we're going to help them fix that. And I thought,
that's where you start. Yeah, that's absolutely where you start.
And her comment about it takes a village to solve
the problems the village created recognizes that inside the village,
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the far now, the community, there are things that don't work.
So just the idea of these kids should be with
their community that will solve it, that's nonsense. There are
things that don't work. However, it has still has to
be the village that you help to make things work.
And it's complex, it's very complex, difficult. You're right, thirty
percent would be good. Perhaps taking the kids away, putting
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them in residential care might not be the best thing
to do, because we know from decades of experience in
this country what happens when that wow that the problem
is leave them at home as well. I mean That's
the thing.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
I think the thing about these camps is that it
sounds to me from the approach that's taken, is they
actually are trying to take a nuanced approach to each
each offender who's in.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
There, and that would be good.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Yeah, let's see how it goes to you wouldn't you
wouldn't can them? Would you? Would you? Can them?
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Not? In the middle of it?
Speaker 4 (18:10):
Okay, I think we really would need to know how
this one ultimately works. I mean this is a pilot.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Yeah, I want to know. I would want to know
more about how it being residential a secure residential facility
is valuable to it, or whether that the work they're
doing can be done in other ways well.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Not that secure obviously a couple of purpose gone it. Anyway, Hey,
look we're going to be back in just a moment.
My guests to Iron Gardner and Simon Wilson. This is
the panel on the Weekend Collective is twenty four past
three of yourself Unmarry Little Christmas.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Your heart Longe. Yes, well, I did ask my producer
Tire to play something of me just because we're doing
the Christmas concepts tonight with the prediction. Thank you Simon,
did you take lessons? No?
Speaker 3 (19:03):
No, But actually I'm a big believer addiction because a
lot of songs, I mean, the internet's full of mishurd
misheard lyrics. Yeah, and some very funny things about what
songs could be saying. And as soon as you get
that thought, you think, oh my goodness, that's terrible.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Not on this. My favorite is there ain't nothing that
one hundred men on mars could ever do. What is
the lyric? Oh, I don't know. Isn't that what it says?
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Okay, anyway, welcome back to the panel, my guests, Iron
Gardner and Simon Wilson. Now, look sign of the Times,
I guess, but people the story about people categorizing and
paying for expensive vegetables. So they're in a brown paper
bag and people are saying, Okay, that's so that's a
kilo of onions I've bought, when maybe they've actually bought
a couple of kilos of avocado or or kumera or
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whatever the brown it's called. That it's even got a name,
The brown onion hack sounds like a blues song, doesn't it.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
I'm doing the brown onion ha. Give if you're saying
it you'd get away with it. I will call attention
to but look, it is an increasing trick. Look, let's
be honest. It is theft. And I guess I wonder
if people feel it's not really because I'm still paying something.
It's just that i've, you know, iren even done the
brown onions.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
They shouldn't have reported this because I never thought.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
To do this. This is I'm looking forward to the
shot of you and the hair old you know form.
The TV commissioner arrested that the brown onion had.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
Just say everything because brown onions are cheap and all
the other things are expensive, to just say everything's brown
onions and your No, I haven't done it, but I
was quite amused people.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Might be a bit more subtle about it. Brown onions
is a giveaway, isn't it. Actually it's someone else buying
brown onions. I go to a local greengrocer and look,
you know, I just tell them what's in it as
a hand over the bag because they check it out.
But there was a young person who didn't know me
sort of thing, and it was there was an expensive
vegetable on there anyway, and I said, it's maybe it
was avocados or something, and they opened it. I was like,
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I'm not going to say it's not avocados. I'll say
it's onions or something. This is a bit of cellar beware, though,
isn't it. Markets have automatic checkouts because it saves them
money and they know that it increases the risk that
people will steal from them, so it is on them
to supervise those automatic check out checkouts properly. I am
not encouraging Irene or anyone else do it, but it's
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on the supermarket. You're you're not peeling off a lemonade
sticker and shoving and your charas, are you? I think
that would work. I possibly that I was looking.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
Can I confess to something that I've done? Might come
for me?
Speaker 2 (21:36):
No, that's all right.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
One day when I was at the supermarket and I
was doing the automatic checkout, and I had a like
a sliced, glad rapped piece of watermelon and it wouldn't scan,
and it was the last item and I couldn't get
it scanned, and our stuff it just would not scan.
And I looked around to get something to come and
help me, and there was not a living soul in sight,
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and so I tabled everything up through it on the
top and left. So I did steal that watermelon?
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Did it taste good?
Speaker 3 (22:10):
It's probably you know, I mean, it's not you know,
it's probably not the worst story I've heard.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
It's just nobody around and I just well.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
I don't know what to say. Simon passed judgment Irene
for she's a terrible person. Write a column on it.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
I'm not going to security cameras now, so you know
you wouldn't get away with it.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
It's what I said before. We're supposed to be someone
there to help you, and it wasn't and they're supposed
to be. Yeah, there we go. Well did that feel
good to get that off?
Speaker 4 (22:38):
If the police are out there afterwards?
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Assume my producers looking busy on the phone, she did
make a move to it, just as waiting for people.
But I never dumb themselves in. Well, yes, indeed, speaking
of naughty things, because I'm not sure that the pardon.
I will pardon you.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
But but hunter, but Biden's pardon. He's I've been pardoned
for his conviction where he basically federal crimes. Joe Biden's gone.
He said, I won't be pardoning him. I let law
follow and following its course. He was found guilty of
lying about his addiction to illegal drugs on a disclosure
form when he was purchasing a firearm, and there are
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some embarrassing revelations about and spending lavishly on drugs, sex workers,
and luxury items, and Joe Biden has pardoned him.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Simon your reaction, I think this is really really straightforward.
The man to creep and that's not a crime in itself.
But we want, we need our politicians to be to
be driven by integrity. We have real problems in the
world with politicians who are not driven by integrity, and
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all those who want to claim that they are need
to behave with it. Biden did have a good claim
to be being a politician of reasonably strong integrity. He's
blown it, and he's blown it not just for himself,
but he's also blown it for his party. He's blown
it for others who want to say I'm a decent
human being and also a politician. Because everyone now will know, well,
you know some of the guys who say that they
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might do this too. It's a terrible thing that he's done.
Is it understandable that he's done it? Because Trump's having
all the charges dropped, he's not going to face any consequences,
maybe even things he's been convicted of. And then there's
Joe Biden looking going, am I really you know, there's
my son there, and I'm going to stick to my
principles even though the newly elected president is going to
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get away with whatever, and he's thought, bugger it, I'm
pardoning him. Irene, I think happened.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
I think had he still been president, had the Democrats
got in, I don't think he would have done it.
I think he would have stuck to what he'd said.
But I think I think you're right. I'm actually I'm
a great admirer of Joe Biden, so that probably colors
what I think. I think he's an incredible human being.
I think he's a really decent man. He has been
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through incredible family and wife and daughter, and then okay,
so this guy, he's a former addict, and yes, he
did terrible things when he was an addict, well so
do a lot of other addicts. His dad has stood
by him through all of that. He wouldn't have been
treated this way in terms of how he was persecuted
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for his crimes if he were not Joe Biden's son.
And I just think Joe has just thought, Okay, I've
given my life to this thing. I've given the last
four years of my life to this thing. I did
a really good job. Nobody acknowledged it. The Democrats didn't
look out for me when I had one bad debate.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Screw Eye.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
We've now been voted out. I'm going to save my son.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
I think pretty much nailed it. I think I think
that's why he did it. But I also think it
still goes back to what Biden's fundamental responsibilities are. When
you said that Trump's going to get away with it,
Trump may not get away with it. He won't get
away with it in history, he won't get away with it.
Normal Hun opinion, normal Hunt. Biden's own standing is now
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diminished me. Whereas Trump is going to it's going to
be held to accounts. Sooner or later. He Trump could
still go to jail. He won't go to president, but
he can't.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
Still, I completely set from Joe's sake, because Trump, that's
Trump gets away with absolutely everything he always has, and
he's putting all these villains in with him, and it's
just appalling. And I find Joe I'm just.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Like, I just want to general Michelle. Obama's too late.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
It's too late that you can't. That's why the Democrats lost,
because they go HI, they've got to start playing dirty.
And good on.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Joe for looking after I think we just I just
want a Democrat party. I just want a Democrat party
and a Republican party who I both aim to straddle
the middle ground a little bit more, Probably don't we
all you? And I mean, here's the thing. If you're
in Joe's shoes, though, as I as a parent, I
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wouldn't you know, I'd do it.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
I'll do it. I'd be I'd be looking at who
is coming in and all that sort of thing. I'll
be thinking, screw this, I'm not having.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
What's the point of me being principal and my son's
suffering for us a few perks when all of these
people have no principles whatsoever and more than half the
population voted for that.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
You know, this is what turns some people religious. You've
got to know in yourself that you're doing the right thing. Actually,
I did enjoy the talk shows on religious but I
still believe that got to.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
Know, and I think Joe believes in but I think
he's just gone.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
I did like one of the talk shows that focused
on there was a very specific date between first of
January twenty fourteen. Obviously it's just the beginning of the year,
I guess, but I think it was Colbert or something
that Hunter was like a dad, can just make sure
it's that Particut starts then, because it might be some
other stuff coming up. Anyway, it's all done now and
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we just continue to watch for the next few years.
Don't we actually tell you what We'll be back in
just a moment. International students numbers are up, and we're
going to chat about the lack of good grammar or
accurate spelling. And Taylor Swift's photography book. I guess it's
a photography book. What are we expecting? As long as
the pictures are good. Back at the moment, it is
twenty two minutes to four news talks. It beats. I
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just love that jail person. We've broken from the playlist
because that one's for you, Irene for that watermelon offense. Yeah,
that's right. Somebody suggested boot camp for you. Welcome back.
(28:51):
This is the panel of the week. You got to
go to jail and Elvis Presley was there, it wouldn't
be that bad. But yeah, yeah, I don't know in
terms of the.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
Fuably enough. I've just started this very day. I've started
reading Pestley's.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
Book, Let's not talk about music. We're gonna say that
for later, Okay, stand by, but actually, look this might
be up all your allies in this one. I'm not
a Taylors with family music now.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
That's that's one about Taylor's with a photography book is
full of typos and it's been like instead of of course,
The eiress e R e e r a s Tour
Book has now been later labeled the Errors Tour Book
because apparently it's riddled with cut off text, low quality images,
and unnecessary commas. That's unnecessary comment that sounds like it's
(29:41):
That's an arguable point because I often when I'm writing
something formal, I think do I need a comma in
there or not? Or is it unnecessary? It is an issue.
If she was singing gibbersh it would be an issue
the book.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
Well, I want to see the book now to find
these unnecessary commas, because I quite like a.
Speaker 5 (29:58):
Comma, yes, but notary you don't like half the sentence
missing you know there is well, it actually does, look
at It does link to a story about the forty
five percent of NCEEA students who failed this year's online
literacy and numeracy tests.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
It does point out that most of the students who
attempted it were in year ten, which is not really
quite getting into NCAA territory. But do you worry about, Simon,
about just the standard of numeracy declining because I don't know,
what are we not reading enough? Not too much sort
of unpunctuated social media and abbreviations and slang and blah
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blah blah.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Yeah, right, that should have been more eloquent what you
said to him. So what you're trying to say there,
I gather is that you're sitting there as a middle
aged man complaining about young people not being able to
speak properly.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Yeah, and I deliberately through that, And just for the
irony at all.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Of course, you do I do? You know? I do? I?
I mean, A part of me recognizes that language changes
all the time, and social media has enormously changed our language,
and you know, the rest of us just have to
keep up. But a bigger part of me also knows
that there is a There is an important place for
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whole sentences, for people being able to construct ideas clearly
and unambiguously. And that's why we have grammar and rules
of language and all the rest of it. And those
things are the springboard off which people can riff and
write in social media language. If we didn't have that,
then we might be much bigger problems. It is a
worry that university academics tell us that there many of
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their students object to having to read a book, or
don't know how to read a whole book, or those
of things. Those things are are all a worry. And
you know, things are changing very fast, don't they. Is
it just the fault of each generation that we bemoan
the future, the future generations and their certain standards slipping,
or is this a real problem? I rne.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
I always feel slightly afraid that, you know, it does
end up sounding like that that you know, you just
don't understand that things are changing. But I was, weirdly,
I was thinking about it this morning. I was handwriting something,
and I was thinking about, in a way, how lucky
I am that I sort of had, you know, kind
of half my life in the old world of you know,
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handwriting and writing and grammar and knowing you times tables
and all the things. But then I've also had a
reasonable portion of my life with you know, Internet and
social media and all of those things, and so I
sort of feel like I've got a level of fluency
across those things. But you know, that's really changing. I mean,
maybe numerousy I was going to say that maybe numerousy
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didn't matter as much because of all calculators literacy, because
now AI is going to write everything. See I do
that thing. You know, AI is starting to pop up,
Like you go to write something on Facebook and AI
is offering to do it for you, and I dismiss
it because I can write. Please, you've got a brain quickly? Well,
I can write fast because I'm used to that, you know.
(33:10):
But I mean, I'm sure a lot of people are
just clicking the AI thing and it's writing stuff.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
So but why you've said that, what's seven times eight?
Speaker 4 (33:17):
Seven times eight and that's a tricky one.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Fifty six done better than the primary? Wasn't that? Wasn't
that the.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Questions I would sit down and we'd have a competition
of five timestables and see who could win.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
But that would be cruel. We had we had old
school stuff with the timestables.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
We had a letder in our primary school.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Yeah, and it was great fun. We all learned to
have everyone. I do regret that standards of literacy you
appear to be declining. My job is to write words,
and that's what I like doing, and I don't like
doing it in pictures instead of words. So I have
a vested interest in that. But I do know that
in other ways of communicating, if you look at the
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way stories are told on television and in film now,
they are told in much more complex ways than they
were generation and to go and certainly two generations to go,
and people don't have trouble following what they mean or
understanding them. So in the big media of the big medium,
people are more communicating, people are certainly keeping up more sophisticated.
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Interesting thought. Right. I didn't say that as a throwaway.
It sounded like who cares? But I actually genuinely meant
that signment one and three kiwis getting up from the
bank of Mum and Dad. Is that is a lot
for first time buys, isn't it? So?
Speaker 3 (34:36):
One in three first time bars in New Zealand have
received financial help, according to research from Kiwi Bank. Obviously,
it's probably unsurprising.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
It's over sixty percent. If you're talking about Gen X,
it's forty something. If it's millennials, it's hell, it's extraordinary.
It'll be stressing a lot of parents out who can
still paying their own mortgage off.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
What do you make of it, Irene, It doesn't surprise
me at all. I mean, you know, again getting into
talking about that generational thing, my generation, me and my friends,
we were so massively advance in terms of how much
easier it was to buy a first property and then
all of the benefit that then flows on from that.
And I don't have children, but I watch, you know,
my nephews and nieces trying to buy homes and things,
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and it's really really hard. And I think in a
lot of cases it would be impossible without the bank
of mum and dad. And maybe it's just at the
moment because that other generation was advantaged, you know, it's
almost like their duty to help. But that's not sustainable.
So I don't know what's going to happen in the longer.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
There are those two big things that are happening now
that we talk about how nobody does anything about. And
one of them is you can't buy a house unless
you've got the bank of mom and dad, or it's
really hard to And the other one is record levels
of immigration, particularly of young people. We are losing people
out of this country a faster rate than ever. If
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they're going to Australia, it's not necessarily that easy over there,
it's still that we're losing them. And there are no
government policy settings that were reverse either of those things.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Their argument would probably be, we have to build a
productive economy and have jobs worth staying for.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
I guess is there any suggestion that they're doing that well.
I think they would claim that that's their goal. I
mean I would argue that that's longer than I do.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
I always remember when we talk about immigration immigration. I
still remember seeing an old copy of the Listener. It
must be thirty or forty years ago my parents, and
I don't know why the cover stuck with me, but
it was. The headline was with the last person out
of New Zealand turn out the lights. And I think
that these issues are cyclical, and New Zealand always has
waves of kiwis leaving them.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
But I think that's an easy, comforting thing. But the
levels of immigration are a record now. It's not just
a cyclical thing. It is much worse now than it is.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
They did used to come back. Maybe they don't come
back anymore.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
Well you don't know, so they till they don't. And
when do you know that they don't come back? But
I don't know. Anyway, Look, we'll be back in.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Just a moment because I'm dying to talk about Christopher
Luck and Spotify playlist, because I've got my Spotify rapped
list as well, and it's it's I've.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Got I've got a real weird one. Anyway, it's ten
minutes to four News Talks b you and we'll have
to chop in a bit early on that one, a
little bit of Bonie m Christmas.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
I'm sorry to ruin my producer's fun there, but welcome
back to the Weekend Collective. Onton Beverage, Iron Gardner, Simon Wilson,
Lucky last story. Chris Luxon has released his Spotify rapped
He's He's listened to a lot of music Duwa Leaper
from post Belone to Jewel Leaper. He and both he
and his Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albernezi have been criticized
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for basically listening to music, saying you should be spending
time running your countries instead.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
He has listened to quite a lot, hasn't a simon?
He has According to the information we've been given, he's
listened over the last year to thirty seven thousand, four
hundred and sixty minutes of music. There is more than
one hundred minutes a day. I assume what Christopher Luxen
is doing is that maybe in the evening he's sitting down,
(38:16):
he's putting on the headphones, just listen to a bit
of Fleetwood Mac or put someone. He has a dinner,
goes to sleep, and it just plays through the night.
I can't imagine any other way. Can't work out how
he gets one hundred minutes a day. And if he
is listening to it for one hundred minutes a day,
well that would be good for his soul, but surely
bad for the country. I like these stories.
Speaker 4 (38:40):
It's fun to Yeah, I don't want to criticize either
of the pms for that they posted them or that
they listen to music, because you know, hey, we all
need some light in life. I wonder if that is
an incredibly high amount, because I'm just shy of fourteen thousand,
and I listen to a lot and I'm in the
big high percentile. So maybe you wonder if maybe that's
actually his family account and it's everybody.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
Well he's claiming his taking.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
Well, maybe he has it on quietly in the background
all day in the office when he's working.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
I don't even live with them, do they.
Speaker 4 (39:09):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
Their own Spotify accounts? Surely, yeah, what self respecting young
person would have their dad's account. I actually don't know
how many minutes I've got, but.
Speaker 4 (39:22):
My one mine's fourteen thousand, and I listen a lot.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
That's not true, So this is.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
I don't know. We don't know Simon.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
My favorite, my favorite, I haven't I've only listened to
three thousand and seven hundred.
Speaker 4 (39:36):
And all of those were your own.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
So that's actually my mind song A thousand thousand times
I have.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
I know, I have been flogging ever this this year,
and I didn't realize that I flogged them that they
listened to. Yeah, no, no, that's exactly That's what it is.
The ones that stood out for me. This is shows
how I cliptic mine are I've had Funnily enough, I
flogged the Book of Mormon's soundtrack. There's a weird one
but of Edith pr and Welcome to the Jungle.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
You're not really down with it, are you. I'm a
collector who is a Welcome to the Jungle.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
It's it's something for guns and roses I have, obviously,
it's my driving into workpiece.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
Sometimes guns and ros must be and then I flip
into a little bit of super Trooper by ever. So anyway,
hey guys, thank.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
You so much for joining the Merry Christmas Iron Garden.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
Yes, all of that too, thank you for that. And
I'm the Tree, Tim the Tree bringing guitar Simon. We'll
be back with the One Roof for Property One Roof
radio show. Nicole Lewis joins us next News Talk said Be.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
It be they got comes bigg As pass, they got
rivers of gold, but the windows right through you. It's
no place for the old. When you first in my
hand the cold Christmas Eve, you promise me, brom I
was waiting for me. You were pretty quiet on New
(00:38):
York City when in the bog for the stream there
swinging weeks and fans through the night, any co sing
and for Christmas, it wouldn't be Christmas?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
What it without a little bit of the POGs. Welcome,
good afternoon. This is the Weekend Collective set of the
seventh of December. Let me do my arithmetic. That means
it's two and a half weeks until Christmas. And the
happiest person in the building right now is my producer Tyra,
who is just so excited about the Christmas playlist. She's
jacked up throughout the course of the show. Anyway, glad
to have your company. In just a moment, the panel
(01:22):
and I'll be introducing my esteemed panelist, and actually I
think I can use the word esteemed for.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
This lot sometimes not always.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Anyway, Just kidding to all my wonderful panelists from throughout
the year, I love you all, and just looking a
little bit further forward. Four o'clock for the One Roof
Radio show, Nicole Lewis is going to have a chat
to us about alternative avenues to helping your children buy
their first home, because there's some stats out which we're
going to touch on the panel actually about the number
of first time buyers. We get a bit of help
(01:51):
from the Bank of Mum and Dad. And five o'clock
for the Parents Squad, Kim Harvey joins us on getting
your kids out of the house over summer and how
to deal with Christmas gifts and materialism and ah, you know,
the whole thing is like do I get this, but
then do we give them what they want? Or do
we make them suffer and not quite get all the
things that are on their list?
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Or do you spoil them rotten all that sort of stuff?
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Eight hundred eighty text nine two nine till we're taking
your calls in those two hours. You can text your
feedback anytime on nine two nine two, And right now
it is eight minutes past three, in time to introduce my,
as I say, esteemed panelists. My first look, he's an
old hack for the New Zealand Herald. He's loved by
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his readers. He wasn't listening then, wasn't he?
Speaker 2 (02:38):
And I love them. It's Simon Wilson. Thank you, Tim,
Thank you. Listen Tim. You you were telling me just
before that you're going to be singing tonight on Christmas
carols and I've got a challenge for you. That was
Shane McGowan and Custom we were just listening to and
I reckon, you need to get out to the great
Christmas Tree at the bottom of Queen Street that's been
(02:59):
put up there. Four day lights and all the rest
of the big budget one. Yeah, the big budget one
that rape Pas did pay for. But does it look good?
It It looks fantastic. The lights all go off. You
get out there, find yourself accoustic mcchole singing some songs
like that, and I'll come along and give money to
a charity of your You could come to my concert tonight.
I've even arrange your ticket for you. You're not singing POGs, No, No, it'd.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Be a bit short, short notice to rehearse with the
North Shore Brass. Actually, I'll tell you what quite the
sound of a brass band. I actually went to the
well obviously, I went to the rehearsal because it's quite
important and I got quite emotional listening because it's got us.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
I don't know, it's it's got a really beautiful timber
at times. The brass band. It's actually quite Yeah, it
was a lot more than Trump.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Anyway, I better introduce it because southwise she's going to
be left out and not be able to have her
shot from the sidelines. And she is well well, longtime
television producer, executive producer, and her name. I'm giving you
just a nice sort of esteemed member of the media
type of introduction. Irene Gardener, Hello, Irene, how are you.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
I'm very well, Thank you, Tim. I like Simon's image
of you busking down by the Christmas tree desperately trying
to get money in a hat.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Yeah, I have never busked.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Well, let's go.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
You never never bust and I never. I don't plan.
It wasn't your New Year's resolution at the beginning of
this year. Can you play new things? Can you play
the guitar or something?
Speaker 1 (04:20):
No?
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Oh, well, because I was going to say, if you
join me and you play play the guitar, you and
I will meet at the Christmas Tree and I could
bust a couple of.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Notes or something like that.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
I didn't realize you had a little bit of Cotney
any of there, Simon the spoon playing. Anyway, Welcome to
the show, guys, and look, we specially selected this topic
to start with for you, Simon, because probably actually I
probably shouldn't go to you, actually, because you'll have plenty
to say on this and arguably the final weird but anyway,
so we'll start with Irene and you can just sit
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there simmering quietly. Transport in our biggest city is facing
a major shake up. The government strips Auckland Transport of
an array of planning powers and basically they're giving back
the power on the local street to local boards into
the council. It's basically aimed at restoring dramatic democratic decision
making Irene popular with the voters, do you think, or
(05:15):
with the drivers or drivers?
Speaker 4 (05:17):
Well, it's funny because Simon and I were joking before
we started about everything I know about this your issue
I read in his column, So that's.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Why I thought i'd give it to question. You can
plagiarize them to your heart.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Think I actually know enough to know for sure whether
Auckland Transport has been doing a good job, a bad job,
or a middling job. From reading Simon's excellent column, I'd
say sort of middling ish. Yeah, not as bad as
people maybe paint them. But I think my general comment
(05:52):
on this, and we can get the specifics from Simon,
is I'm always slightly nervous about government taking over anything.
I think you're better to fix the thing than hand
it over. Ye, that would be my reservation.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
You're not big on government running things. You should be
voting for a well. I guess the only question before
we got.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
A Simon is you are a transport user of some
of some sort, whether you rely on public versus private.
But have you had moments where you curse Auckland Transport
because a confession I have.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Actually no, but to be fair, I work from home
and I don't need I almost never have to travel
and rush hour. I'm also a non driver, which is
quite unusual for US, but I catch a republic transport.
You know, I'm a great fan of the link bus
and I catch trains and things, and I actually find
it to be a good service and perfectly fine. I mean,
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I hate as a pedestrian that you know, half of
Auckland isn't accessible and I'm tripping over things and rode coones,
but you know that is kind of the nature of
having to build something. So hmm.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Okay, Simon, it's like it's like a little boy, can
I please my presence?
Speaker 2 (07:08):
It's actually not quite like that because I find these
guys brown and Brown, you know, Simeon and Wayne. They
live rent free in my head and it's doing their head.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
And frankly, do you go at night and when you're
trying to get to sleep you wake up at two
o'clock in the morning and Simeon and Wayne pop into
your head.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
And you're like, I'm going to I'm not going to
confess to it being that bad, okay. But I find
this one quite extraordinary because it's been built, as you said,
as a return to democracy, giving people bank power, local
boards get more power, Auckland Council gets power off Auckland Transport.
I don't read the moves like that at all, is
(07:43):
it more Auckland Council has a say? Now, well, what
will happen is that the old CEO model where Auckland
Transport theoretically was guided in policy by Auckland Council, but
they had a bad habit of not always doing what
Auckland Council asked them to do, even though those things
are written down that policy and letters of intent on
(08:04):
all of But the things they particularly didn't do that
Auckland Council instructed them to do are not necessarily the
things that people get upset about with Auckland Transport. For example,
there is an emissions reduction plan in this city which
Auckland Transport has no plan to meet, even though the
plan says transport emissions will significantly go down through this decade.
(08:27):
So I don't know that that's where Simyon Brown's coming
from with his complaints. One of the big taels for
the whole thing is that instead of Auckland Transport having
an independent authority and being guided by Auckland Council, now
we're going to have government directly at the table, playing
a very important role in the direct decision making. Government
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controls a lot of the money, and Simeon Brown has
said is no way we're going to give up control.
Of the money that we have, so that he said,
for example, local boards are now going to be able
to make decisions for themselves in their areas about things
like speed limit and cycle ways and speed bumps and
all and car parks and shopping centers and so on.
(09:11):
In fact, the Simi and Brown's own government policy statement
and the budget make it very clear that there is
no money to do any of those things. Mean, Brown
made it clear that he wouldn't be putting any money in.
So there's talk about it being more democratic, in reality,
it's not going to be. Actually also sort of look,
(09:32):
I'm pleased that something's changing, and I don't know how
it's going to work.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
I'm not over it, and in the same way you are.
But I find have found over the course, as of
motorists and public transport user from time to time Auckland
Track some of the things they do just really frustrating,
and I formed a very very negative opinion.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
I'm not very good at es. Usually in the moment,
I don't keep a list. Sort of Okay, look, I
know what he's saying. Everybody, including me, has things they
really wish Auckland Transport would sort out and be better
at But here's an example of the kinds of problems
we're looking at. Everybody knows that the trains have been
unreliable this year. There have been lots of times when
they haven't run at all because of the work being
(10:12):
done on the tracks, and sometimes they run late. That
is not Auckland Transport. That is KiwiRail, a government agency.
Auckland Transport has no ability to influence that, but people
blame Auckland. And another example is lots of people say
I would catch the bus if the bus didn't take
so long. But the reason buses take a long time
(10:34):
in some parts of the city is that they get
stuck on arterial roads with cars parked where the bus
lane should be, and the attempts to remove those car
parks so that those buses can flow smoothly are intensely resisted.
So you might be in the camp that says, I
want the buses to go more quickly and therefore get
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the car parks off the arterials, or you might be
in the camp that says, leave the car parks. I
want that car park near my shop or whatever. You're
not ever going to get both of those two camps.
Do you like the do you like the changes at
all or do you not like No, I don't like
them at all. I like the idea that there's a
shake up. As you said yourself, I don't think the
(11:17):
I don't think simply saying we're going to have Auckland
Council running things is a terrific way to go. And
I was at an Auckland Council meeting this week. There's
a Transport committee, which is all the councilors. They couldn't
start the meeting because not enough councilors or the mayor
bothered to turn up in time. These are the people
(11:37):
who think they're ready for more governance responsibility and it
was really prettier.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Well, well, the proof of the pudding will be in
the eating, and of course returning the power to local boards.
Of course I couldn't even tell you. I can tell
you the name of one of my local board members,
and so I sometimes think, you know, even if you
are to restoring more democratic parents like well, okay, let's
see how that plays out, hopefully in a positive way.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Anyway.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
People can read Simon's piece when was it in the
Tuesday Good Stuff? Look on the other political side of things, Well,
the two youths have gone missing from a boot camp,
so which is obviously not great. But we've had obviously
things are not going to go smoothly. There's been the
tragic death of one young person as well, and so
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the opposition calling for boot camps to be abolished and
all that sort of thing. I think it's worth mentioning
before I throw to you guys that the Children's Commissioner,
I don't find that the word boot camp very helpful
at all is a description. In fact, I don't even
think it actually describes them at all. Even the Children's
Commissioner said, I went there, I didn't see anything vaguely militaristic.
And so to me, these are programs for young offenders
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that have got given this epithet to them. But does
the failure doesn't it an absconding or two? Does that
spell doom for u iren?
Speaker 4 (12:54):
I don't know. I find this all quite sad. I mean,
the whole boot camp and you know, it isn't really
hopefully thing. You know, it's one of those things that
say to attract a certain type of voter, you know,
it sounds like you're being tough on crime. And when
all of this was being talked about. It was highly
criticized because most you know, factual documation, documentation and research
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says that they don't really work. And of course we're
just coming out of the abuse and care inquiring and
all of that. So there was a lot of opposition
to this. And I remember talking about it when it
was about to start and I said, perhaps because there
has been so much opposition to it, they will be
so determined to make this program be positive and work
and be something good, that it will be something good.
(13:42):
But to hear that you know a child and they
are children is dead, Okay, that's sort of one step
removed because it's a car accident and two have now
absconded after the Tangy. I don't know. It just all
doesn't feel very good, does it well?
Speaker 2 (13:58):
To me?
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Simon, it just shows that what it's actually highlighted. I
think it's been almost informative for the media, sorry for
the public, is how difficult it is and how really
these really are a program of last resort for some
kids who have really gone off the rails and you know,
outside of their age, would otherwise be deemed to be
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pretty serious criminals.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Look, I think what are in set is exactly right.
We're in this appalling situation where the term boot camp
is used for popularist reasons, funny enough, but not by
the people who by the people who are running it,
and Wisdom Peters said, what was it last week that
you know people go into the army. It's very good
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for them, and there's nothing wrong with the boot camps.
Boot camps not this isn't run by the army, doesn't
run on militaristic lines. What is good about those boot
camps is that they provide levels of health and welfare
and educational care that is wrap around intensive to those
children who are there. And those things are good. Should
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they be happening in a residential lock up facility or
should that be happening in another context? I don't know now.
But what is clear is that underneath the rhetoric, the
state is trying to find a yeah, not just a
human humane way to do this, but actually a productive
way to do it that gets good results. We want that, yes, exactly.
(15:25):
And you see, if they succeed, let's be really pessimistic
and say they only reform thirty percent, which actually might
be a good result. That's probably quite a good.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
But given the the on flow effects of young people
who go on to become seasoned offenders. Even that's a
win to me. And I have to say when I
heard the opposition saying, oh, can the boot camps and
all that sort of things, It's like, you know what
this is.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
It's not a boot camp. You're using that word.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Simply to score political points, when in fact these programs
may make a difference for a small number of kids.
And if you know what, if they do, then I
would love that does a win for the program other
of you sort.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Of, I just think it's kind of hard to know
in fact, how well are they doing this? And look,
I don't know, you know.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
But I mean, you know, I mean you could say,
let's ban boarding scores because kids have gone from those
as well. I mean, I think everything's failed. Everything has
a failure rate in life. It's it's even let's ban
driving because we have a road toll. I mean, there's
plenty of examples.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
I was at a poverty conference in Wellington a couple
of weeks ago. A lot of impressive speakers there. One
of them was Ida Melosi, who is the Chief Youth
Court judge, and she made the comment that takes a
village to solve the problems that a village created, which
I think was a nice spin on the old saying.
But she she said, what we see. We see our
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job in the youth courts as taking people who are
have gone off the rails, behaving extremely badly, and we
try to work out what has caused that and how
we're going to help them fix that. And I thought,
that's where you start. Yeah, that's absolutely where you start.
And her comment about it takes a village to solve
the problems the village created recognizes that inside the village,
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the far now, the community, there are things that don't work.
So just the idea of these kids should be with
their community that will solve it, that's nonsense. There are
things that don't work. However, it has still has to
be the village that you help to make things work.
And it's complex, it's very complex, difficult. You're right, thirty
percent would be good. Perhaps taking the kids away, putting
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them in residential care might not be the best thing
to do, because we know from decades of experience in
this country what happens when that wow that the problem
is leave them at home as well. I mean That's
the thing.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
I think the thing about these camps is that it
sounds to me from the approach that's taken, is they
actually are trying to take a nuanced approach to each
each offender who's in.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
There, and that would be good.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Yeah, let's see how it goes to you wouldn't you
wouldn't can them? Would you? Would you? Can them?
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Not? In the middle of it?
Speaker 4 (18:10):
Okay, I think we really would need to know how
this one ultimately works. I mean this is a pilot.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Yeah, I want to know. I would want to know
more about how it being residential a secure residential facility
is valuable to it, or whether that the work they're
doing can be done in other ways well.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Not that secure obviously a couple of purpose gone it. Anyway, Hey,
look we're going to be back in just a moment.
My guests to Iron Gardner and Simon Wilson. This is
the panel on the Weekend Collective is twenty four past
three of yourself Unmarry Little Christmas.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Your heart Longe. Yes, well, I did ask my producer
Tire to play something of me just because we're doing
the Christmas concepts tonight with the prediction. Thank you Simon,
did you take lessons? No?
Speaker 3 (19:03):
No, But actually I'm a big believer addiction because a
lot of songs, I mean, the internet's full of mishurd
misheard lyrics. Yeah, and some very funny things about what
songs could be saying. And as soon as you get
that thought, you think, oh my goodness, that's terrible.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Not on this. My favorite is there ain't nothing that
one hundred men on mars could ever do. What is
the lyric? Oh, I don't know. Isn't that what it says?
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Okay, anyway, welcome back to the panel, my guests, Iron
Gardner and Simon Wilson. Now, look sign of the Times,
I guess, but people the story about people categorizing and
paying for expensive vegetables. So they're in a brown paper
bag and people are saying, Okay, that's so that's a
kilo of onions I've bought, when maybe they've actually bought
a couple of kilos of avocado or or kumera or
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whatever the brown it's called. That it's even got a name,
The brown onion hack sounds like a blues song, doesn't it.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
I'm doing the brown onion ha. Give if you're saying
it you'd get away with it. I will call attention
to but look, it is an increasing trick. Look, let's
be honest. It is theft. And I guess I wonder
if people feel it's not really because I'm still paying something.
It's just that i've, you know, iren even done the
brown onions.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
They shouldn't have reported this because I never thought.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
To do this. This is I'm looking forward to the
shot of you and the hair old you know form.
The TV commissioner arrested that the brown onion had.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
Just say everything because brown onions are cheap and all
the other things are expensive, to just say everything's brown
onions and your No, I haven't done it, but I
was quite amused people.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Might be a bit more subtle about it. Brown onions
is a giveaway, isn't it. Actually it's someone else buying
brown onions. I go to a local greengrocer and look,
you know, I just tell them what's in it as
a hand over the bag because they check it out.
But there was a young person who didn't know me
sort of thing, and it was there was an expensive
vegetable on there anyway, and I said, it's maybe it
was avocados or something, and they opened it. I was like,
(20:58):
I'm not going to say it's not avocados. I'll say
it's onions or something. This is a bit of cellar beware, though,
isn't it. Markets have automatic checkouts because it saves them
money and they know that it increases the risk that
people will steal from them, so it is on them
to supervise those automatic check out checkouts properly. I am
not encouraging Irene or anyone else do it, but it's
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on the supermarket. You're you're not peeling off a lemonade
sticker and shoving and your charas, are you? I think
that would work. I possibly that I was looking.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
Can I confess to something that I've done? Might come
for me?
Speaker 2 (21:36):
No, that's all right.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
One day when I was at the supermarket and I
was doing the automatic checkout, and I had a like
a sliced, glad rapped piece of watermelon and it wouldn't scan,
and it was the last item and I couldn't get
it scanned, and our stuff it just would not scan.
And I looked around to get something to come and
help me, and there was not a living soul in sight,
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and so I tabled everything up through it on the
top and left. So I did steal that watermelon?
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Did it taste good?
Speaker 3 (22:10):
It's probably you know, I mean, it's not you know,
it's probably not the worst story I've heard.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
It's just nobody around and I just well.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
I don't know what to say. Simon passed judgment Irene
for she's a terrible person. Write a column on it.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
I'm not going to security cameras now, so you know
you wouldn't get away with it.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
It's what I said before. We're supposed to be someone
there to help you, and it wasn't and they're supposed
to be. Yeah, there we go. Well did that feel
good to get that off?
Speaker 4 (22:38):
If the police are out there afterwards?
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Assume my producers looking busy on the phone, she did
make a move to it, just as waiting for people.
But I never dumb themselves in. Well, yes, indeed, speaking
of naughty things, because I'm not sure that the pardon.
I will pardon you.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
But but hunter, but Biden's pardon. He's I've been pardoned
for his conviction where he basically federal crimes. Joe Biden's gone.
He said, I won't be pardoning him. I let law
follow and following its course. He was found guilty of
lying about his addiction to illegal drugs on a disclosure
form when he was purchasing a firearm, and there are
(23:23):
some embarrassing revelations about and spending lavishly on drugs, sex workers,
and luxury items, and Joe Biden has pardoned him.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Simon your reaction, I think this is really really straightforward.
The man to creep and that's not a crime in itself.
But we want, we need our politicians to be to
be driven by integrity. We have real problems in the
world with politicians who are not driven by integrity, and
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all those who want to claim that they are need
to behave with it. Biden did have a good claim
to be being a politician of reasonably strong integrity. He's
blown it, and he's blown it not just for himself,
but he's also blown it for his party. He's blown
it for others who want to say I'm a decent
human being and also a politician. Because everyone now will know, well,
you know some of the guys who say that they
(24:17):
might do this too. It's a terrible thing that he's done.
Is it understandable that he's done it? Because Trump's having
all the charges dropped, he's not going to face any consequences,
maybe even things he's been convicted of. And then there's
Joe Biden looking going, am I really you know, there's
my son there, and I'm going to stick to my
principles even though the newly elected president is going to
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get away with whatever, and he's thought, bugger it, I'm
pardoning him. Irene, I think happened.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
I think had he still been president, had the Democrats
got in, I don't think he would have done it.
I think he would have stuck to what he'd said.
But I think I think you're right. I'm actually I'm
a great admirer of Joe Biden, so that probably colors
what I think. I think he's an incredible human being.
I think he's a really decent man. He has been
(25:05):
through incredible family and wife and daughter, and then okay,
so this guy, he's a former addict, and yes, he
did terrible things when he was an addict, well so
do a lot of other addicts. His dad has stood
by him through all of that. He wouldn't have been
treated this way in terms of how he was persecuted
(25:28):
for his crimes if he were not Joe Biden's son.
And I just think Joe has just thought, Okay, I've
given my life to this thing. I've given the last
four years of my life to this thing. I did
a really good job. Nobody acknowledged it. The Democrats didn't
look out for me when I had one bad debate.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Screw Eye.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
We've now been voted out. I'm going to save my son.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
I think pretty much nailed it. I think I think
that's why he did it. But I also think it
still goes back to what Biden's fundamental responsibilities are. When
you said that Trump's going to get away with it,
Trump may not get away with it. He won't get
away with it in history, he won't get away with it.
Normal Hun opinion, normal Hunt. Biden's own standing is now
(26:13):
diminished me. Whereas Trump is going to it's going to
be held to accounts. Sooner or later. He Trump could
still go to jail. He won't go to president, but
he can't.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
Still, I completely set from Joe's sake, because Trump, that's
Trump gets away with absolutely everything he always has, and
he's putting all these villains in with him, and it's
just appalling. And I find Joe I'm just.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Like, I just want to general Michelle. Obama's too late.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
It's too late that you can't. That's why the Democrats lost,
because they go HI, they've got to start playing dirty.
And good on.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Joe for looking after I think we just I just
want a Democrat party. I just want a Democrat party
and a Republican party who I both aim to straddle
the middle ground a little bit more, Probably don't we
all you? And I mean, here's the thing. If you're
in Joe's shoes, though, as I as a parent, I
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wouldn't you know, I'd do it.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
I'll do it. I'd be I'd be looking at who
is coming in and all that sort of thing. I'll
be thinking, screw this, I'm not having.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
What's the point of me being principal and my son's
suffering for us a few perks when all of these
people have no principles whatsoever and more than half the
population voted for that.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
You know, this is what turns some people religious. You've
got to know in yourself that you're doing the right thing. Actually,
I did enjoy the talk shows on religious but I
still believe that got to.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
Know, and I think Joe believes in but I think
he's just gone.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
I did like one of the talk shows that focused
on there was a very specific date between first of
January twenty fourteen. Obviously it's just the beginning of the year,
I guess, but I think it was Colbert or something
that Hunter was like a dad, can just make sure
it's that Particut starts then, because it might be some
other stuff coming up. Anyway, it's all done now and
(28:09):
we just continue to watch for the next few years.
Don't we actually tell you what We'll be back in
just a moment. International students numbers are up, and we're
going to chat about the lack of good grammar or
accurate spelling. And Taylor Swift's photography book. I guess it's
a photography book. What are we expecting? As long as
the pictures are good. Back at the moment, it is
twenty two minutes to four news talks. It beats. I
(28:30):
just love that jail person. We've broken from the playlist
because that one's for you, Irene for that watermelon offense. Yeah,
that's right. Somebody suggested boot camp for you. Welcome back.
(28:51):
This is the panel of the week. You got to
go to jail and Elvis Presley was there, it wouldn't
be that bad. But yeah, yeah, I don't know in
terms of the.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
Fuably enough. I've just started this very day. I've started
reading Pestley's.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
Book, Let's not talk about music. We're gonna say that
for later, Okay, stand by, but actually, look this might
be up all your allies in this one. I'm not
a Taylors with family music now.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
That's that's one about Taylor's with a photography book is
full of typos and it's been like instead of of course,
The eiress e R e e r a s Tour
Book has now been later labeled the Errors Tour Book
because apparently it's riddled with cut off text, low quality images,
and unnecessary commas. That's unnecessary comment that sounds like it's
(29:41):
That's an arguable point because I often when I'm writing
something formal, I think do I need a comma in
there or not? Or is it unnecessary? It is an issue.
If she was singing gibbersh it would be an issue
the book.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
Well, I want to see the book now to find
these unnecessary commas, because I quite like a.
Speaker 5 (29:58):
Comma, yes, but notary you don't like half the sentence
missing you know there is well, it actually does, look
at It does link to a story about the forty
five percent of NCEEA students who failed this year's online
literacy and numeracy tests.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
It does point out that most of the students who
attempted it were in year ten, which is not really
quite getting into NCAA territory. But do you worry about, Simon,
about just the standard of numeracy declining because I don't know,
what are we not reading enough? Not too much sort
of unpunctuated social media and abbreviations and slang and blah
(30:37):
blah blah.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Yeah, right, that should have been more eloquent what you
said to him. So what you're trying to say there,
I gather is that you're sitting there as a middle
aged man complaining about young people not being able to
speak properly.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Yeah, and I deliberately through that, And just for the
irony at all.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Of course, you do I do? You know? I do? I?
I mean, A part of me recognizes that language changes
all the time, and social media has enormously changed our language,
and you know, the rest of us just have to
keep up. But a bigger part of me also knows
that there is a There is an important place for
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whole sentences, for people being able to construct ideas clearly
and unambiguously. And that's why we have grammar and rules
of language and all the rest of it. And those
things are the springboard off which people can riff and
write in social media language. If we didn't have that,
then we might be much bigger problems. It is a
worry that university academics tell us that there many of
(31:47):
their students object to having to read a book, or
don't know how to read a whole book, or those
of things. Those things are are all a worry. And
you know, things are changing very fast, don't they. Is
it just the fault of each generation that we bemoan
the future, the future generations and their certain standards slipping,
or is this a real problem? I rne.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
I always feel slightly afraid that, you know, it does
end up sounding like that that you know, you just
don't understand that things are changing. But I was, weirdly,
I was thinking about it this morning. I was handwriting something,
and I was thinking about, in a way, how lucky
I am that I sort of had, you know, kind
of half my life in the old world of you know,
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handwriting and writing and grammar and knowing you times tables
and all the things. But then I've also had a
reasonable portion of my life with you know, Internet and
social media and all of those things, and so I
sort of feel like I've got a level of fluency
across those things. But you know, that's really changing. I mean,
maybe numerousy I was going to say that maybe numerousy
(32:49):
didn't matter as much because of all calculators literacy, because
now AI is going to write everything. See I do
that thing. You know, AI is starting to pop up,
Like you go to write something on Facebook and AI
is offering to do it for you, and I dismiss
it because I can write. Please, you've got a brain quickly? Well,
I can write fast because I'm used to that, you know.
(33:10):
But I mean, I'm sure a lot of people are
just clicking the AI thing and it's writing stuff.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
So but why you've said that, what's seven times eight?
Speaker 4 (33:17):
Seven times eight and that's a tricky one.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Fifty six done better than the primary? Wasn't that? Wasn't
that the.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Questions I would sit down and we'd have a competition
of five timestables and see who could win.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
But that would be cruel. We had we had old
school stuff with the timestables.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
We had a letder in our primary school.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Yeah, and it was great fun. We all learned to
have everyone. I do regret that standards of literacy you
appear to be declining. My job is to write words,
and that's what I like doing, and I don't like
doing it in pictures instead of words. So I have
a vested interest in that. But I do know that
in other ways of communicating, if you look at the
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way stories are told on television and in film now,
they are told in much more complex ways than they
were generation and to go and certainly two generations to go,
and people don't have trouble following what they mean or
understanding them. So in the big media of the big medium,
people are more communicating, people are certainly keeping up more sophisticated.
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Interesting thought. Right. I didn't say that as a throwaway.
It sounded like who cares? But I actually genuinely meant
that signment one and three kiwis getting up from the
bank of Mum and Dad. Is that is a lot
for first time buys, isn't it? So?
Speaker 3 (34:36):
One in three first time bars in New Zealand have
received financial help, according to research from Kiwi Bank. Obviously,
it's probably unsurprising.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
It's over sixty percent. If you're talking about Gen X,
it's forty something. If it's millennials, it's hell, it's extraordinary.
It'll be stressing a lot of parents out who can
still paying their own mortgage off.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
What do you make of it, Irene, It doesn't surprise
me at all. I mean, you know, again getting into
talking about that generational thing, my generation, me and my friends,
we were so massively advance in terms of how much
easier it was to buy a first property and then
all of the benefit that then flows on from that.
And I don't have children, but I watch, you know,
my nephews and nieces trying to buy homes and things,
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and it's really really hard. And I think in a
lot of cases it would be impossible without the bank
of mum and dad. And maybe it's just at the
moment because that other generation was advantaged, you know, it's
almost like their duty to help. But that's not sustainable.
So I don't know what's going to happen in the longer.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
There are those two big things that are happening now
that we talk about how nobody does anything about. And
one of them is you can't buy a house unless
you've got the bank of mom and dad, or it's
really hard to And the other one is record levels
of immigration, particularly of young people. We are losing people
out of this country a faster rate than ever. If
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they're going to Australia, it's not necessarily that easy over there,
it's still that we're losing them. And there are no
government policy settings that were reverse either of those things.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Their argument would probably be, we have to build a
productive economy and have jobs worth staying for.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
I guess is there any suggestion that they're doing that well.
I think they would claim that that's their goal. I
mean I would argue that that's longer than I do.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
I always remember when we talk about immigration immigration. I
still remember seeing an old copy of the Listener. It
must be thirty or forty years ago my parents, and
I don't know why the cover stuck with me, but
it was. The headline was with the last person out
of New Zealand turn out the lights. And I think
that these issues are cyclical, and New Zealand always has
waves of kiwis leaving them.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
But I think that's an easy, comforting thing. But the
levels of immigration are a record now. It's not just
a cyclical thing. It is much worse now than it is.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
They did used to come back. Maybe they don't come
back anymore.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
Well you don't know, so they till they don't. And
when do you know that they don't come back? But
I don't know. Anyway, Look, we'll be back in.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Just a moment because I'm dying to talk about Christopher
Luck and Spotify playlist, because I've got my Spotify rapped
list as well, and it's it's I've.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Got I've got a real weird one. Anyway, it's ten
minutes to four News Talks b you and we'll have
to chop in a bit early on that one, a
little bit of Bonie m Christmas.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
I'm sorry to ruin my producer's fun there, but welcome
back to the Weekend Collective. Onton Beverage, Iron Gardner, Simon Wilson,
Lucky last story. Chris Luxon has released his Spotify rapped
He's He's listened to a lot of music Duwa Leaper
from post Belone to Jewel Leaper. He and both he
and his Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albernezi have been criticized
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for basically listening to music, saying you should be spending
time running your countries instead.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
He has listened to quite a lot, hasn't a simon?
He has According to the information we've been given, he's
listened over the last year to thirty seven thousand, four
hundred and sixty minutes of music. There is more than
one hundred minutes a day. I assume what Christopher Luxen
is doing is that maybe in the evening he's sitting down,
(38:16):
he's putting on the headphones, just listen to a bit
of Fleetwood Mac or put someone. He has a dinner,
goes to sleep, and it just plays through the night.
I can't imagine any other way. Can't work out how
he gets one hundred minutes a day. And if he
is listening to it for one hundred minutes a day,
well that would be good for his soul, but surely
bad for the country. I like these stories.
Speaker 4 (38:40):
It's fun to Yeah, I don't want to criticize either
of the pms for that they posted them or that
they listen to music, because you know, hey, we all
need some light in life. I wonder if that is
an incredibly high amount, because I'm just shy of fourteen thousand,
and I listen to a lot and I'm in the
big high percentile. So maybe you wonder if maybe that's
actually his family account and it's everybody.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
Well he's claiming his taking.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
Well, maybe he has it on quietly in the background
all day in the office when he's working.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
I don't even live with them, do they.
Speaker 4 (39:09):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
Their own Spotify accounts? Surely, yeah, what self respecting young
person would have their dad's account. I actually don't know
how many minutes I've got, but.
Speaker 4 (39:22):
My one mine's fourteen thousand, and I listen a lot.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
That's not true, So this is.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
I don't know. We don't know Simon.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
My favorite, my favorite, I haven't I've only listened to
three thousand and seven hundred.
Speaker 4 (39:36):
And all of those were your own.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
So that's actually my mind song A thousand thousand times
I have.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
I know, I have been flogging ever this this year,
and I didn't realize that I flogged them that they
listened to. Yeah, no, no, that's exactly That's what it is.
The ones that stood out for me. This is shows
how I cliptic mine are I've had Funnily enough, I
flogged the Book of Mormon's soundtrack. There's a weird one
but of Edith pr and Welcome to the Jungle.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
You're not really down with it, are you. I'm a
collector who is a Welcome to the Jungle.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
It's it's something for guns and roses I have, obviously,
it's my driving into workpiece.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
Sometimes guns and ros must be and then I flip
into a little bit of super Trooper by ever. So anyway,
hey guys, thank.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
You so much for joining the Merry Christmas Iron Garden.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
Yes, all of that too, thank you for that. And
I'm the Tree, Tim the Tree bringing guitar Simon. We'll
be back with the One Roof for Property One Roof
radio show. Nicole Lewis joins us next News Talk said Be.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
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