December 13, 2024 • 40 mins
Today on The Panel, Tim Beveridge is joined by Pete Wolfkamp and Mark Crysell to discuss the biggest stories from the week that was.
New ferries announced for the Cook Strait, greyhound racing to be banned, new alcohol rules come in for Auckland, Donald Trump named as Time's Person of the Year, mystery drones in New Jersey, and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
You're listening to the Weekend Collective podcast from Youth Talks
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Welcome to Christmas.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Christmas job mine seems.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
And very good afternoon too. I'm Tim Beverage. Welcome to
the show. This is the fourteenth of December, the Weekend Collective.
Looking forward to your feedback right throughout the show, but
of course in a moment I've introducing my panelists and
you can text your feedback on there. But my esteemed
panelists as I like to describe them. Looking a little
further ahead to the show, the one roof property are
we're joined by Helen O'Sullivan of Velocity. We're going to
(01:30):
ask the question are you best to spend as much
money as you can on an investment property? Given that,
if we're talking about percentages and growth, ten percent of
two million is a lot more than ten percent of
half a million, So are you should you spend as
much as possible? Have a chat about apartments as well.
In five o'clock for the Parents Squad, Doogalo Sutherland is
joining us to talk about something we're going to touch
on in our panel.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
Actually the dos and the the good and the.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Bad on prize givings, and also dealing with perfectionist children
when they just obsessed with getting everything right and how
to handle that. And Google Google, not a Sutherland. Google
Sutherland joins us. And that'll be at five o'clock. And
for those two hours, of course, you take your calls
on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. You can text
on nine two nine two, but for this hour you
can just text your hate mail on nine two nine
(02:15):
to two. An anticipation of the Christmas spirit and my look,
I'm just going to give a straight up introduction. No
bells and whistles, because you know and you love both
my panelists here and the first you know him because
he's very familiar news talks. He'd be audiences. And he
is also known as the resident Builder, and his name
is Pete wolf Camp. Merry Christmas, hello Pete.
Speaker 6 (02:36):
And Merry Christmas to you too.
Speaker 5 (02:38):
To how are you very well?
Speaker 6 (02:39):
Thank you.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
It's a beautiful day to day, isn't it?
Speaker 6 (02:42):
Spectacular?
Speaker 5 (02:43):
Spectacular?
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Absolutely good to have you.
Speaker 6 (02:45):
I was going to be in the garden, but I
don't know other things out in the way.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
I didn't see the Christmas do last night. I was
happening to get invited.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Mate, open moment.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
It's fine, taken with my muster, okay, lautist, Oh.
Speaker 5 (03:05):
We'll talk rather than anyway anyway joining me.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
I don't think he has been to any Christmas.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
He may have been to some Christmas.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Parties already because he's he's a seasoned old journo and
any chance to get stuck into it.
Speaker 7 (03:18):
Typically, man's not a camel to him. You know, yes,
well it's hot.
Speaker 8 (03:28):
I'm good. I'm better than James Brown.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
Well, what you mean James Brown? The you know, I
feel good.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
James Brown is dead, so.
Speaker 8 (03:36):
Yeah, obviously James Brown.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Yeah, I missed the musical reference. I feel good, Dan.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
I don't know if he does.
Speaker 7 (03:44):
I wonder if he did any Christmas albums change, No doubt, Tyler,
no doubt.
Speaker 8 (03:50):
I would guarantee that he was around for so long.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Yeah, that was not John, by the way, and you
know it, Peter and I were just discussing this.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
What was playing.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
I think it's that's a young Elton John, only because
he's singing up back in his old high sort of
high baritone tenor register and Pete's thinking that might be
more recent.
Speaker 6 (04:07):
No, I'm thinking like I've just started trolling back through
Elton John albums from like, you know, nineteen seventies and
that sort of thing, and listening to the entire albums
that's not on them.
Speaker 7 (04:16):
Can I just say though, Actually, on our list of
topics we're going to talk about today is a photo
of a young to beverage.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
That's no, that's me just a couple of years ago.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Ye.
Speaker 8 (04:26):
Well, and you're looking like you've just like walked down
of a dry band.
Speaker 6 (04:33):
It's a lovely photo.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Okay. It's from my Christmas album and my producer Tire
said you should put that at the top of the list,
just to provoke the guys into having a crack at Ye.
Speaker 7 (04:41):
I can't work out you've got the vest on. I
can't work out with the you're going for the snooker
player look or the jockey.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
I don't know what I was looking for. It's not
it's actually not my greatest photo, but it's you know,
it's Christmas and it's from my Christmas album.
Speaker 8 (04:52):
Hey, can you still buy it? Can you still get it?
Speaker 5 (04:54):
Oh? On Spotify?
Speaker 4 (04:56):
Yeah, this is actually pays for it pays for my
Christmas shopping. Every year one song and sorry listeners, if
you've heard this before. Normally you at the end of
the each year you get I get a statement's like, oh,
we are your seventeen dollars or something. And then one
year the chick came over two and a half thousand
dollars because I'd had one song in the States. It
(05:16):
had over two and a half million plays and it
was White Christmas and it's got a bit of country
in it, bit of a steel guitar, and I was actually.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
Like, it was funny.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
I was expecting seventeen dollars and I was like, it said,
please send us an invoice file how much?
Speaker 8 (05:31):
So if we play that today during the show.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
You'd have to play it about three million times.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
Let's not do that.
Speaker 6 (05:38):
Do we get a cut.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
Out of Yeah?
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Well no, I'm just wondering if you can get my
New Zealand playlift list up. I think the only person
who plays my other in New Zealand to me anyway, Hey,
good to have you in the Good to have you
in the studio. Guys, Now let's get into it. New
Fairies have cooked straight. The price hasn't been revealed and
Nikola Willis. Here's the story was, she said, we've got
a big announcement on the fairies, and you know what,
(06:02):
it was an old goal they could have the where
I was expecting. I woke up thinking I can't wait
to hear we're going to find buying and instead the
big announcement, maybe it was a big announcement, was that
we have a new Minister of Rail and it's old
Winnie Peter's Peter wolf Camp.
Speaker 6 (06:18):
I was disappointed too, because it does you know that
it's triggering almost that whole thing about, you know, an
announcement about an announcement. So in that sense, yes, it's
an olden goal. What I did do is read the
Stephen Joyce article editorial in the Herald today talking a
bit because you know, former Transport minister, former finance minister.
It was on his plate back in sort of twenty
(06:40):
seventeen and obviously unresolved, but very very insightful piece of writing,
as always from Stephen Joyce, so it's worth.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
Can you play it now?
Speaker 6 (06:49):
Essentially that certainly the gold plated idea of a rail
enabled faery is in his opinion anyway, unaffordable.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
So we could talk in rail compatible then yeah, so on,
roll off, but leave the engines.
Speaker 6 (07:03):
There is this notion that somehow you have these enormous
ferries where the train literally goes right on and then
takes off on the other end, Whereas in the article
he talks about the fact that most countries over the
around the world go you bring the container to the
port on the rail, it gets offloaded onto a dolly.
The dolly goes onto the ferry and across to the
(07:23):
other side. So let's accept that that's actually standard practice
around the world and embrace that.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
Yeah, okay, and do you think that here we go?
Speaker 8 (07:30):
Mark?
Speaker 5 (07:31):
Do you I actually think you know what I've gone?
So one ad?
Speaker 4 (07:35):
As I've mentioned, you know, when Winston was campaigning, he
wasn't my favorite politician by long shork.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
But he can Winston do the deal?
Speaker 4 (07:43):
And I suspect there is a deal as a backup already,
Mark Chrhysl, what do you know?
Speaker 8 (07:47):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (07:47):
I mean this is this looks to me like a
little bit and we're seeing a little bit of this
play out around this politically wise. Looks to me like
a little bit like the coalition partners are starting to
flex their muscles a little bit around.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
This, Winston's flexed his muscle and David Seymour as well.
Speaker 7 (08:03):
Apparently it was hold up for so long because David
Seymour didn't want any public money going into it, and
whereas on the other hand, Winston, being an economic nationalist,
is all for rail, and I think you have to
look at rail as being in many ways in our
future as we seek to bring down carbon emissions and
(08:23):
those sorts of things. Rail is a much cleaner way
of doing it than just clogging our roads with trucks.
Speaker 8 (08:29):
So I feel it.
Speaker 7 (08:31):
Was shots fired a little bit from Winston saying I'm
not going to be rolled over this. He's got to
march to come up with something that doesn't give my
opponents much time, does it. It's pretty quick, So I
don't know, I just can see. I'm just been looking
at the polls this week, you know, Winston at the
moment with the polling, you know, taken across they're all
(08:53):
quite different, but there's some trends in there, and the
trends are that they will be holding the balance of
power quite likely come the next election. So yeah, I
know what You've just made me think that if I
made you think first, you have yes.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
I mean I don't often challenge me, but that's just
a little bit of Christmas.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
You know.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
I love you Mark.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
No.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
If I was.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
Luxome, I think that when Seymour becomes Deputy PM, I
think it actually would be and that'll be halfway through
the term. If I was him, I would get I
would try and have another summit with the leaders to
get everyone back and have a bit of a system's reset,
and the same way that he drew them together to
Seymour and Winston to sort of work together. I almost
(09:40):
think it's going to need that come in a few
months time, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
What do you think, Pete?
Speaker 6 (09:45):
From what you're saying, it sounds like are the minor
parties ACT and New Zealand First going to think that
they've become strong enough that they have influence outside of
their scope, let's say, and what or are they better
off saying actually will will make the coalition work in
order to get re elected or do they feel they've
got a bigger chance to get rid of Those are
(10:06):
good questions.
Speaker 7 (10:06):
I think it's quite different when you're sitting down negotiating
at the end of an elections as to opposed to
halfway through, and I think, you know, conventional wisdom is
that Christopher Luction got rolled in those negotiations, that they
got a lot more than they were, you know, than
they than their support probably warranted. So that'll be very
(10:29):
interesting to see how that plays out. And as you
get closer to the election, third parties or smaller parties
often suffer if they're part of a coalition, they get overlooked.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
Yeah, so they're trying to find that balance between flex
and their muscles survival for them.
Speaker 5 (10:43):
Although the polls I think they're doing all right.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Act in New Zealand first, So.
Speaker 7 (10:46):
Yeah, with the pears there are up at also up
are up at seven, you know, which is high. And
you know, you could see if it came down to
negotiation at the end, and you know, Labor had the
choice of going with New Zealand First or to party Maty,
I mean, which may be more.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
Palat he's ruling out in New Zealand First, or a
ready cris up guns.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
But yeah, they all say yeah, yeah, oh well, anyway,
there we go.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
So hopefully we'll get a new I reckon. You know,
I'm not optimistic that.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
We'll have a decent announcement in a few months time
in Winston now.
Speaker 6 (11:17):
But it would have been good if it was this week.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
Absolutely absolute political fail on Negola Willis's but also.
Speaker 7 (11:24):
A political fail on expecting councils to do any upgrades
to it. Whatever happens, whatever faries they get, you're going
to have to upgrade. That is not fair for the
people Wellington or Melbourne, Nelson's. They have to pay for
that out there.
Speaker 8 (11:37):
That is part of our.
Speaker 7 (11:38):
Basically our state highway system. So that's for all the
people of New Zealand benefit from that. So that should
be coming from the central.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
Absolutely well, that's why I think they'll be doing a
bit of work in between now and when we actually
hear something further fingers crossed. Look, there's been a lot
of talk about this the greyhound racing band.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
I was actually surprised because I just guess.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
As racing minister, I thought Winston Peters would be for
any form of racing sort of thing. But anyway, they've
and I had a few calls from people who loved
the greyhound, who actually do care about the dogs themselves,
and they were saying that we've improved a lot and
all that sort of thing. But it just seems that
the appetite for what we see happens to dogs when
it goes wrong is not there, so they're going to
be phasing it out. Mark, what do you reckon? Look?
Speaker 7 (12:17):
I did a story on this Sunday, the Dearly Departed
Sunday program a few years ago, and we had a
deep dive and look at it, and there are a
lot of dogs dying. It's bad for them physically going
around the corners, they splinter the bones.
Speaker 8 (12:31):
You know those sorts of things.
Speaker 7 (12:33):
They tried to change it in Australia where they just
ran straight Yeah, just a straight out sprint, but you.
Speaker 8 (12:38):
Know all sorts of allegations.
Speaker 7 (12:40):
You know, dogs with meth and phetamine, dogs being euthanased
if they weren't running fast enough.
Speaker 8 (12:46):
Look, I think it's time that it's gone.
Speaker 7 (12:49):
And good on Winston, who actually I think loves dogs
more than they loves dog raceste.
Speaker 6 (12:55):
I look quite surprised in the since I remember a conversation.
And you know, I'll put my hand up. In all
of my life, I've never been to a dog race,
nor even to a horse race. Right, it's just not
my thing. But I know someone who owned dogs and
ran dogs and prior to the election was you know,
there's been rumblings about them banning grey round racing for
a while and his opinion was very much, oh well,
(13:17):
when Winston's and then it's guaranteed to stay. So I
think they're quite surprised at the decision.
Speaker 8 (13:22):
I know they work really hard.
Speaker 7 (13:23):
I mean upgraded a lot of tracks, that they have
an amazing rehoming facility which I visited, and everybody I
know that owns a gy a greyhound and Alte loves
them unless you've got a cat. And then in the
bleak of an eye, I'll tell you what. They're fast.
Oh my god, they're fast. If you see them out,
(13:45):
they just that they are just lightning fast and quick.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
Ass. Yes, well as Tony do will a test when
he tried to catch us when it got out of
his carr and it led him on a run around
mission day for three and a half kilometers. I've told
that talk. Well, I won't tell the whole thing again,
but he told me about how his dog got af
leition and it just ran and ran around and I
didn't I didn't know what it was, and I just said,
what sort of dog is it? By the way, And
he goes it's a greyhound, and which I thought was
(14:09):
very funny.
Speaker 5 (14:10):
Why would you start chasing?
Speaker 7 (14:11):
Apparently they only need one run a day and then
they just come back and they have ever kept there.
Speaker 8 (14:16):
Fine. Good on them, Yeah, very nice natured, good dogs.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
Yeah, there we go? Right, what about all this is
not good news for journalists?
Speaker 9 (14:24):
Is it a new alcohol?
Speaker 8 (14:27):
You?
Speaker 5 (14:29):
Sorry?
Speaker 8 (14:30):
Good thing?
Speaker 5 (14:31):
I'm not a tell tell you what. We'll have a
cup of t in a lie down. We'll come back
on this.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
News talk because it'd be This is the panel. Mark
Krysl and Pete wolf Cap are my guests. It's twenty
coming up to twenty one past three.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
It's been a.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Long long time. I just said that you were.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Here's that.
Speaker 6 (14:58):
Married?
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Read?
Speaker 4 (15:06):
Well, there it is, says Mark Kreis. All my guests
on the panel, along with Pete Wolfcamp. I'm Tim Beverage.
By the way, he said he's better than James Brown.
We talked about did James Brand have a Christmas album?
And here it is?
Speaker 8 (15:16):
How good is that?
Speaker 5 (15:17):
There we go?
Speaker 8 (15:18):
This is something I put on. This is great exactly
after I played Jewels.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Ye did I have an expression on my face?
Speaker 5 (15:25):
There?
Speaker 8 (15:26):
She was the one you put on when you want
people to go home as.
Speaker 6 (15:29):
The evenings, want to clear it out.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
You want you can't find the pool.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
Funny thing is you know why you are right with
that because our very own friend this is before I
joined radio, may have very own or was it during
I can't remember, but very un Francisca Rudkin reviewed the
album this before I really knew her, and and she said,
she said, I don't know how to describe this, but
it's actually quite a romantic album. And I thought, maybe
you know, so it is the album when you want,
(15:54):
you want to go home and canoodle, you just put
on a bit of it. Have yours?
Speaker 8 (16:00):
Oh my god? Okay, fill my beating heart?
Speaker 4 (16:04):
Yes, anyway, booze awesome new alcohol rules of coming for Auckland.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
To be honest, I didn't realize you.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
Could buy alcohol at a bottle store, dairy or supermarket
after nine pm, but you certainly can't on Monday those
foot rules come into force. It's actually not such a startling.
It just means that if you've been on the booze,
you've been at the pub, and you suddenly go, let's
go down to the supermarket eleven o'clock, you can't actually
get any more, so you better make sure you stuck
(16:31):
up Pete.
Speaker 6 (16:32):
To me, it feels just like sensible legislation because in
the end, if you're let's say you've I don't know,
you've got friends coming around, suddenly you realize you don't
have enough agree or whatever. And at seven o'clock and
you end up down right, that's great. But at nine
o'clock realistic nobody.
Speaker 7 (16:48):
Yeah, I mean this is the time you start Putts
album on, send them all off a canodle.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
Yeah, that's right. You put on tim beverage. You don't early, Well,
it's last Monday.
Speaker 6 (16:59):
I think it was great.
Speaker 8 (17:00):
Look anything that limits it, in my eyes, it's good.
Speaker 7 (17:03):
I mean, I don't want to go back to the
six o'clock close and you know, you can't drink on
Sundays and stuff. But I have been out with the
police on a Friday night in Central Auckland and it's
an absolute zoo out there.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
It is.
Speaker 8 (17:16):
It's such a waste of our precious resources.
Speaker 7 (17:20):
You know, you've got people, you know, the cops locking people,
are people ending up in the ed with you know,
horrendous injuries and things like that. So anything that you
know slows that down a little bit as it gets
a tick from me.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
People say they don't think it's going to cause making
any difference to alcohol related harm, but I think it
might stop a few people trashing themselves in a week.
Speaker 6 (17:41):
Where I think it's sensible is you know, arguably for us,
it's not going to have a big impact, right, we
can plan ahead, we can we probably when you boost
it in the fridge. But what it does do is
captures those people for whom it might be a problem.
So in that sense it's sensible.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
Actually, when you are out as a normal punter on
the town in Auckland is one thing. But you when
you were out mark with the police, did it give
you a completely different impression of Auckland. Of course they
responding to they're basically responding to all the negative stuff.
Speaker 8 (18:10):
So my god, one hundred percent.
Speaker 7 (18:12):
And particularly it was down it was around k Road
and down Queen Street as well. And the police say,
I think a lot of people say this, nothing good ever,
nothing good ever happens after three a mines.
Speaker 8 (18:23):
That is so true. It is it is, it is, yeah.
Speaker 7 (18:27):
But I think the other thing though to realize is
that drinking is falling away, particularly the younger generation aren't
drinking as much as they were before. And like when
I did, it would have been around ten years or
so ago, and the binge drinking culture was at a
real height at that stage, and you know all the
nonsense that went with that.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
I would like to think it's not because they're they're
taking more meth amphetamine, cocaine and MDMA, Because this is
the thing. I still science amazes me what they can do.
But they test the waste water to show how much
meth cocaine and in DMA the population are you and yeah,
(19:07):
so where there's been a major increase in the amount
of twenty two percent of MDMA compared with the previous
four quarters with an eight I don't know what this
means an estimated eight and a half kilos of the
drug used weekly. I guess when you're talking about infinitesimal's
bit of bits of a gram.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
But but they can extrapolate back. It's amazing, isn't.
Speaker 6 (19:28):
Essentially they're back engineering the numbers to try and figure
out if this is what we're detecting, how much of
people consuming.
Speaker 8 (19:33):
I mean, look at that cocaine uses up by eighty
six percent.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
I have never encountered cocaine use ever in New Zealand.
But that just shows what a sheltered, sheltered life I lead.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
Have you you guys, ever encountered it? You know at
any time?
Speaker 7 (19:48):
You know, seen it in a social Really think I'm
going I'm silly enough to say, yes, this is a trap,
isn't that?
Speaker 8 (19:56):
I know what you're doing.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
That's why you're a big fan of I'm dreaming of
a White Christmas.
Speaker 8 (20:03):
I prefer the movie to look. I think.
Speaker 7 (20:06):
I think a lot of this is down to probably availability.
There's probably a hell of a lot more coming in.
I know the biking gangs are.
Speaker 8 (20:15):
Allegedly responsible for a lot of this.
Speaker 7 (20:17):
They have connections with the Mexicans, you know, the cartels,
that sort of thing. So I you know, and I
think particularly I've heard that New Zealand is a very
attractive destination for drug smugglers because we pay more, do Yeah,
we pay a higher price for our drugs and much else.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
Such an onjourn on this, Peter, you are are you
really innocent? I don't ask about you.
Speaker 6 (20:42):
I'm not talking no, no, no, But even in terms
of you know, would I expect to encounter it in
my life? No, I probably wouldn't do. I know people
are involved, Yeah, I probably do. I mean there's every
now and then there's story is about you know, laborers
and people on construction sites taking drugs just to get
through the day. But then it's also increasingly my Surge
(21:07):
of course did some work for him back in the day.
That's another story. But anyway, yeah, so, I mean, but
you know, drug testing in the workplace is kind of well,
put a stop to that to some degree. And the
other thing that people talk about is, you know, is
it more common, let's say among professional classes as well,
the sort.
Speaker 7 (21:27):
Of yeah, I mean they call meth and fettermine the
poor man's cocaine, and you know that has there are
regions of New Zealand they're absolutely.
Speaker 8 (21:36):
Wrecked by myth.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
It's tragedy.
Speaker 7 (21:38):
We're not seeing the same sort of damage with cocaine,
which appears to be sort of used recreationally that sort
of thing, but meth has absolutely you know, there's some
areas of New Zealand, poorer areas, isolated areas where it's
just come in and it's just hollowed people out, and
that's pretty pretty scary, and it's a very difficult addiction to.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
Break You should get your teenagers to watch Breaking Bad,
because there's not a single user of meth in that
show who looks anything but absolutely trashed. It's got to
be the best advertisement for not using drugs. That doesn't
great show. Something you just said I thought was interesting.
Speaker 8 (22:15):
Just that's that's amazing. So I've challenged you and I've
said something, what's the trifect?
Speaker 4 (22:21):
No, it was it was just your cute way of
referring to the gangs as the biking gangs. It sounds
so sort of the biking gangs makes it sound like
they're riding around on choppers and sort of people call
them bikis anymore. I just call them gangs or the filth. No,
that's sorry, I just call them gangs. But it's just
a cute little adjective together front which makes them sound less.
Speaker 8 (22:41):
So what the police also call them the outlaw bike gangs.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
That's right.
Speaker 7 (22:45):
That was the other one, you know, And and a
lot of those ones that came over with the five
O ones and set up shop here have really taken
the drug smuggling drug selling to another level.
Speaker 8 (22:57):
Well.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
Also, as I made of mind and the police said,
he said, you should he said, the ones have come over,
the Aussie bassed gangs have come here. He said. They
may make our local local gangs look like you know,
look soft ass pretty tough.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
Anyway.
Speaker 6 (23:11):
The first time I ever rode on a motorcycle on
the back of a bike was on the back of
the Bikings motorbike. Really yeah, funny story now. A guy
came round to buy a motorbike from a brother and
he was in a gang. This was a long long
time ago, and then my brother thought it'd be funny
if he popped me onto the back while this guy
would protest ripes. It was, I don't put me off
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only a motorbike.
Speaker 8 (23:34):
But there you go.
Speaker 5 (23:36):
I don't know what to say that. It's all anyway,
I'm still talking to each other.
Speaker 6 (23:40):
It was South Auckland.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
Yeah. Well, just onto another topic, which is seventy five
percent of school leavers say that the sex education they've
received at school.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
Is insufficient, which which raises the question that surprises that weird.
Speaker 8 (24:00):
I can't imagine.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
Any teenager going I haven't left who would admit they
hadn't learned.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
Enough about it. But are you expecting to learn it
all at school?
Speaker 6 (24:08):
At school, you'd probably come away with that opinion. But
you know, having a son who's at high school now,
and for those of us who've got kids going through
the secondary school, typically it's fairly comprehensive.
Speaker 8 (24:20):
Yeah, it's quite different when I was growing exactly. It's
very out there.
Speaker 7 (24:24):
And the other thing is it's quite much easier to
talk to your parents about it now than it was
when we were growing up.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
I remember my last thing, my dad's sitting down. We
had some encyclopedias, and my dad sat me down one
day because I was teasing him about not doing it,
and he felt the pressure and show me, if you buy,
show me a few diagrams and something. And I came
away with it knowing nothing. And then my oldest no
I won't say which brother, an older brother one day
(24:52):
showed me a men's magazine and gave me some very
blunt advice. But i'll tell you what, I learned more
in about five seconds from that brother than I did
from poor old dad's twenty minute sort of academic scientific
chat about rep production of the birds and the bees.
Speaker 7 (25:07):
But it is a hilarious time when you're a kid
and you go through that, you know, it's like a
Benny Hill skit or something.
Speaker 5 (25:14):
I mean, where did you guys learn most about it?
Was it just sort of is.
Speaker 8 (25:17):
This another trap? No, it's not.
Speaker 5 (25:20):
No, it's not a trap.
Speaker 8 (25:21):
But no one else is listening to this, right.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
No, no, no, between us one hundred thousand plus or something.
Speaker 5 (25:27):
I don't know, actually, I mean, but when did you
because the thing.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
For me I wish I had probably learn more about
because I didn't have sisters, was just about probably relationships. Yeah,
and because girls were a big mystery? Did you go
to an all boys school only when I was eleven
or twelve? But then I was at Western Nights High
School and Ruder Earth, so that was all co Eden.
Speaker 6 (25:45):
It was a square cry if you go to single
sex school.
Speaker 8 (25:48):
Yeah, So do you think that was made a difference?
Speaker 6 (25:51):
Yeah, but gosh I left school in my last year
at high school was nine to eighty four. Right, so
we're talking about six head in the early eighties and
a single six Catholic boys school.
Speaker 8 (26:02):
Okay, pretty Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
Actually, the thing that has come out is that one
of the things that came out in this, in the
reports around this, is that there hasn't been enough teaching
about consent and that people need to be taught about that.
But see, I think that that tells us something about
if the issue of consent is something that is a
mystery to kids, then there's something wrong with just their
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education about life in general, because you know, the issue
of consent and treating people with respect shouldn't be the
one only that comes up when it comes to sex.
It should be something that you've learned years ago just
about the way you treat people. So but I think
one of the issues is, and it's pointed out around
this article, is the amount of pornography that kids have
access to outside of school, and that's a completely different world.
(26:50):
That's not going to teach you anything about sex, probably
teach you how not to do it, how not to
treat people.
Speaker 8 (26:55):
And that is that is massive.
Speaker 7 (26:57):
The amount of porn that kids are watching now on
their phones or their iPads and devices is that's the
scary thing. So that's where schools maybe need to be
picking up their game have bit to counter that. I
don't know how you do that, but that that's a
real issue. You might have borrowed your brother's magazine, Well
multiply that time is about forty thousand, and that's what
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they're getting those.
Speaker 8 (27:19):
He showed that.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
He showed it to me.
Speaker 6 (27:21):
You wouldn't list to borrow it?
Speaker 5 (27:22):
No, I just.
Speaker 8 (27:25):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
I left my any brother with this conversation. Oh I
needed a cup of tea to lie down.
Speaker 8 (27:30):
And it is what is it?
Speaker 5 (27:32):
Twenty three minutes to four. My guests on the studio,
we're watching you.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
I can't get a word in any way, at least
get anyway. It is the esteemed Mark krysl and Pete
wolf Camp. I'm Tim Beverage. We'll go back in just
a moment discussing a whole lot of other stuff and
the Times Person of the Year, unsurprising winner.
Speaker 8 (27:51):
Of that award.
Speaker 5 (27:51):
Back in a tack.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
It's twenty two minutes to four.
Speaker 9 (28:22):
And welcome back to the Weekend Collective.
Speaker 5 (28:23):
I do like this one for just a lot. Like
you tell that's twisted, sister, I've got a crystal funny thing.
Is this is almost the same as.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
When I'm gone to take it. No, we're not gonna
it's almost come all you faithful. In fact, I think
they might have ripped off. Come all you faithful if
we're not going to take it. But anyway, there we go. People,
you should look up it's a very twisted Christmas. It's
been around for a while. If you want to shock
people when they come around for your Christmas tipple, then
twisted sisters are very twisted Christmas. Anyway. Look, I don't
(28:53):
know the look, there wasn't much of a surprise. I
would have picked Trump for Times Person of the Year,
wouldn't you have Mark Kreisel? Well, yes, of course, you know.
Hitler got it once.
Speaker 6 (29:04):
I was gonna Stalin got it twice.
Speaker 8 (29:06):
Yeah. So I mean it's you know, does it that great?
Speaker 5 (29:08):
Anyway?
Speaker 7 (29:09):
You know, Donald Trump is well known for printing out
for years before he became a politician, fake Man of
the Year, Time Man of the Year covers and putting
them up at his golf courses.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
And now he's got two of them.
Speaker 8 (29:21):
Now he's got the real one.
Speaker 5 (29:23):
Look, it's what do they say, It's it's the individual
for who, for better or worsted the most to shaped
the world and the headlines over the past twelve months.
I mean that years.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
You could have given it to Putin too. In fact,
maybe they're a year ahead of them. Maybe it was
a year early for him. Pete, I mean, you got nothing.
Speaker 6 (29:42):
It's no surprise and it's there because he has and
undoubtedly will make a dramatic impact on the planet.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
Actually, the thing that worries Wenesday, I'm surprised at how
much I've just tuned out of American politics. Now it's over,
and I've sort of gone, oh, well, this is what
you've done that, this is what you voted for, then
go to it. But some of his cabinet choices, I'm sorry,
and I know for all of those who are trumping
nouns or whatever, but some of his cabinet choices are
(30:12):
barking mad. It's almost, let's find someone who's sort of
going to be sort of commentator, who is a sort
of willing egg neoramus who knows a little bit about
and bugger all at the same time, and.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
It's like, oh, you're qualified. Look RFK.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
The one point I can argue for him is he
wants to get processed food. He wants to regulate that
more and maybe you know, has.
Speaker 8 (30:34):
Found out a hundred.
Speaker 6 (30:36):
He runs into big business who are the other side
of the cabinet and so on, who want more and
more of whatever they're selling to be on the shelf.
Speaker 5 (30:43):
So it'll be Pete Higgsseth of Secretive of Defense I
mean Fox News sort of. I mean I mean sorry,
And whether you like that Pete Higgseth as a as
a commentator or not, come on, seriously, it needs serious people.
Speaker 7 (30:57):
I mean they there's something actually Winston Peters is always
fond of talking about. But they definitely a lot of
them fail the character test.
Speaker 8 (31:08):
They really are, they really do.
Speaker 7 (31:10):
It'll be interesting to see how much they fall in
line the senators when they have to confirm these people.
That'll be really interesting whether they push back or not,
and also be interesting to see how long they last
in those roles.
Speaker 5 (31:23):
Actually, I'll tell you something interesting.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
I've noticed.
Speaker 5 (31:25):
This is just and when I mentioned it to.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
A colleague, this is just an aesthetic thing. But and
all the pr things I've seen Trump, and he's ditched
the red tie and he's now gone back to gold
or gone he's got to He's just changed his tiger,
and I was.
Speaker 5 (31:38):
Like, something's different about him. Something, Well, the tires differ
because there was always a red times and now he's
got the gold, which is possibly.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
His favorite color. I think anyway, they could do the region,
they could redo Goldfinger with a sort of Trump Day. Anyway,
there we go nothing more to say, kids, He've gone
all quiet. Now, Okay, let's move on because.
Speaker 8 (31:58):
There's been enough set about Donald. Let's live.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
Let's live the mystery Jones drones over New g I've
only really caught this story on the periphery, but the
more you dig into it, it's quite bizarre about the
number of flying objects and now that the politicians are
furious and they want to answers from the FBI and
the security of Defense Force and things. Have you followed
the story much, guys.
Speaker 6 (32:21):
But it links into a whole lot of other stories around,
like some American Air Force baces in the UK which
have had drones flying around. And that's the thing. And
whether it's you know, a curious plane spotter who wants
to see a B fifty two sitting on the runway,
or potentially given that you know, something the size of
suitcase is able to travel hundreds of kilometers, record information
(32:42):
and then retreat and you don't know where it's come from.
Speaker 7 (32:45):
These are these are actually like six feet across, which
is which I see the defense people are saying that
they're actually manned aircraft.
Speaker 8 (32:54):
But you know, I predict that we are.
Speaker 7 (32:57):
Going to see a lot of mysterious drones buzzing about
over Christmas from people who get them in their stockings. Yes,
and I also predict that ninety percent of them will
be used once because they're flown into a tree and
people can't get them down.
Speaker 8 (33:13):
Yeah. Of all the.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
Countries in the world that loves UFOs the most as well,
it's America, I would say, so.
Speaker 8 (33:20):
What's the only place UFOs go? They're not interested in the.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
Rest of the world pretty much, it does seem.
Speaker 6 (33:26):
There was a famous UFO siky Yeah.
Speaker 8 (33:28):
Yeah, yeah, that was famous. It was on one News.
Speaker 5 (33:31):
Did you cover that or something?
Speaker 8 (33:32):
Was that? No? No, I was still in.
Speaker 5 (33:33):
School school sorry, Mark.
Speaker 8 (33:37):
You're not sorry? No, sorry, you're sorry when you're not sorry?
Speaker 4 (33:40):
Sorry not so no I am I am, I am,
I am. Hey, Now the school prize givings and we're
going to talk about this in the in the parents squad.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
And there's there's I mean, it's.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
Almost like one of those grinchy sort of stories where
it's just inviting a gut reaction from people strongly one
way or the other. Yes, but research showing that given
giving awards to children, awards or rewards, even just in
rewarding them for doing something well at home, or something
can be more harmful than helpful. I don't know. I
(34:14):
get way to go with.
Speaker 5 (34:14):
Us, but.
Speaker 8 (34:19):
This information seems to change every year.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
I just start to think, well, okay, for instance, my
daughter did quite well, but she didn't get at her
new school. But she saw some girls getting better awards.
And I was sitting next to my wife and I said,
I bet you such and such seas to us, And
I bet you. She says later on, Daddy, I think
I'm going to try working a bit harder because she's
got a sight set on those, and you know what.
(34:42):
We're driving along and she goes, Dad, I think I'm
going to work harder next year, and I was like,
why is that?
Speaker 5 (34:49):
You know, I just think I might.
Speaker 8 (34:53):
Anyway, I saw this morning and she was really nice.
Speaker 7 (34:56):
My daughter's cricket team. They are a bunch of eleven
year olds and they are their last game of the
season and we handed out the just we do a
player of the Day every week and that can kind
of get shared around a bit, but they are so
enthusiastic in supporting the girl that wins.
Speaker 8 (35:11):
And it's very genuine as well. And that's I love seeing.
Speaker 4 (35:15):
That, and I think, you know, obviously, don't turn ordinary
day activities into a competition where you have to reward everything.
But in terms of prize givings, Pete, what do you reckon?
Speaker 3 (35:23):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (35:23):
Look, I heard the story and I listened to the headline,
and I was infuriated, and then I thought, actually, maybe
I should read the article.
Speaker 8 (35:32):
Having like a millennial there. Yeah, I just.
Speaker 6 (35:34):
Felt that I should approach this with an even handed manner.
And I still disagree with I kind of understand what
they're saying in terms of if you want to build
a fully rounded human being, then it's not about the reward, right.
It needs to be intrinsic. You need to do things
because there is an intrinsic value in doing well. But
(35:55):
having been to four prize givings at the end of
this year, so I went to the Music Prize Giving
or Music Awards the pacifica Night, the Senior Prize Giving,
and a year nine and ten Prize Giving. Not because
I've got that many kids or anything like that. It's
just I happen to be a board member and it's
good that we go along, and my son's involved in
a couple of those things. Overwhelmingly there is a sense
(36:16):
of celebration congratulation to those students in those case boys
who have been given an award. And you go to
any academic prize giving nowadays, and the first round of
awards certainly is at Rosmondy College. Is these are for
basically effort, right, This is a commitment to learning award.
If your teachers have recognized that you've applied yourself, regardless
(36:40):
of the outcome, you will get an award.
Speaker 7 (36:42):
Actually, that's a Bolsily Primary where my daughter was just
about to finish that they have an award, and I
think it's one of the highest awards in the school
every year to the kid that is basically the kindest
and it's a lovely you know, and the ones that
don't win are always kind about who got chosen, but
you know, but it's a lovely award and the people
(37:05):
when then the kids that are finalists for it, you know.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
I think the nugget of useful information in this is
it's about, don't you know. It's about where kids can
get intrinsic satisfaction from things like making your bed, doing
things around the house that shouldn't be stuff that's subject
or a reward that should just be like, guess how
good it feels to cook a mealf for your family.
Let the intrinsic satisfaction. Don't reward everything. So I think
there's a place, you know, school for excellence and effort
(37:31):
and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 5 (37:31):
Great, but I think it's.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
Just the warning, don't reward kids for doing something that
they should really learn to do for their own self esteem.
That sounds about right to me.
Speaker 6 (37:40):
And the other thing is that like recognizing excellence and
if it is really really important.
Speaker 5 (37:46):
It's inspiring to the kids too.
Speaker 6 (37:48):
You see, the kids already know right now they're doing
their prize giving. The kid ready they know. And I mean,
I look, it was a fantastic thing at the senior
prize giving the other day. Typically you announced the ducks
at the end of the year right now. They did
all the metrics and they couldn't decide between six students
who could all have been named ducks. So they said
that the pros giving. I'm really sorry, folks, We're not
(38:11):
going to award it. The only way that we feel
that we can do it fair is to wait for
the NCAA results. That's how close last cohort of students
are and they say who the students were. Yeah, they
all come up recognized as being the top six academic
students at the school, and one of them is going
to They're all going to be invited back next year
special assembly.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
Fantastic celebrate success. Hey, well we need to quick break.
We'll be back in just a moment. This is the
weekend collect of my panelist Mark cries On Pete wolf Camp.
It is coming up to eight minutes to four News
Talks ed B. Yes, welcome back News Talks HEEDB. Just
but quickly before we say goodbye. I know Pete warlf
Camp in particular loves the story about they Might Have
ten worker who there was a ute driver who had
(38:52):
obviously parked in the wrong spot, and so the and the.
Speaker 5 (38:54):
And the falkless driver from Might Have ten.
Speaker 4 (38:56):
He was rocked up and he was going to literally
lift the thing up with the hell.
Speaker 6 (39:03):
And look, I can understand that might ten maybe slightly embarrassed,
and it's probably not the sort of behavior you want
from your workers.
Speaker 5 (39:10):
But no one's going to say back there now, that's.
Speaker 6 (39:12):
Right, And given the liberties that trades take with parking
the four wheel drives, which I have as well, wherever
the like. Maybe it's a good lesson for that guy.
Speaker 8 (39:20):
I love the language.
Speaker 6 (39:22):
I think it's great.
Speaker 8 (39:22):
I love the language.
Speaker 7 (39:23):
In the article, spokesperson said they're very disappointed, and then
somebody else said, you heard the customer having words with
the staff.
Speaker 6 (39:37):
Trade. He turns up, demands something, yells at somebody, and
the fook truck driver probably goes, Actually, here's a lesson
in humility.
Speaker 4 (39:45):
And I would say it was delivered. Hey, guys, thank
you so much for being on our panel this year.
Speaker 8 (39:50):
Pleasure.
Speaker 5 (39:51):
And you're going away for Christmas.
Speaker 8 (39:53):
Mark when we'll be around Auckland and then we're heading
we'll be going off grid up north on the back
roads of Russell.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
Excellent.
Speaker 5 (40:00):
Oh good stuff. And Pete, you're having a bit of
time off.
Speaker 6 (40:04):
Off, will stick around doing some stuff here?
Speaker 8 (40:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (40:06):
I might. Actually no, nothing more than Sundays. Oh, good
stuff Sundays. Oh and Christmas Day. There you go, Christmas.
I'm here on Christmas Day.
Speaker 4 (40:13):
Hate wolf camp on Christmas Day?
Speaker 5 (40:16):
Any better, guys, don't ask any building.
Speaker 7 (40:19):
Have a wonderful Christmas guys, and are the same to
all the listeners out there.
Speaker 8 (40:23):
Nice and safe.
Speaker 7 (40:24):
Think about what's important in your life, going ahead to
next year and doing.
Speaker 5 (40:28):
A nice refreshing Sprits on Christmas Day.
Speaker 4 (40:31):
And we'll be back shortly Helen, Helen, Solomon and Solon
is with us back in the moment. You just talks.
Speaker 8 (40:37):
It'd be.
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Welcome to Christmas.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Christmas job mine seems.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
And very good afternoon too. I'm Tim Beverage. Welcome to
the show. This is the fourteenth of December, the Weekend Collective.
Looking forward to your feedback right throughout the show, but
of course in a moment I've introducing my panelists and
you can text your feedback on there. But my esteemed
panelists as I like to describe them. Looking a little
further ahead to the show, the one roof property are
we're joined by Helen O'Sullivan of Velocity. We're going to
(01:30):
ask the question are you best to spend as much
money as you can on an investment property? Given that,
if we're talking about percentages and growth, ten percent of
two million is a lot more than ten percent of
half a million, So are you should you spend as
much as possible? Have a chat about apartments as well.
In five o'clock for the Parents Squad, Doogalo Sutherland is
joining us to talk about something we're going to touch
on in our panel.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
Actually the dos and the the good and the.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Bad on prize givings, and also dealing with perfectionist children
when they just obsessed with getting everything right and how
to handle that. And Google Google, not a Sutherland. Google
Sutherland joins us. And that'll be at five o'clock. And
for those two hours, of course, you take your calls
on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. You can text
on nine two nine two, but for this hour you
can just text your hate mail on nine two nine
(02:15):
to two. An anticipation of the Christmas spirit and my look,
I'm just going to give a straight up introduction. No
bells and whistles, because you know and you love both
my panelists here and the first you know him because
he's very familiar news talks. He'd be audiences. And he
is also known as the resident Builder, and his name
is Pete wolf Camp. Merry Christmas, hello Pete.
Speaker 6 (02:36):
And Merry Christmas to you too.
Speaker 5 (02:38):
To how are you very well?
Speaker 6 (02:39):
Thank you.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
It's a beautiful day to day, isn't it?
Speaker 6 (02:42):
Spectacular?
Speaker 5 (02:43):
Spectacular?
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Absolutely good to have you.
Speaker 6 (02:45):
I was going to be in the garden, but I
don't know other things out in the way.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
I didn't see the Christmas do last night. I was
happening to get invited.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Mate, open moment.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
It's fine, taken with my muster, okay, lautist, Oh.
Speaker 5 (03:05):
We'll talk rather than anyway anyway joining me.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
I don't think he has been to any Christmas.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
He may have been to some Christmas.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Parties already because he's he's a seasoned old journo and
any chance to get stuck into it.
Speaker 7 (03:18):
Typically, man's not a camel to him. You know, yes,
well it's hot.
Speaker 8 (03:28):
I'm good. I'm better than James Brown.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
Well, what you mean James Brown? The you know, I
feel good.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
James Brown is dead, so.
Speaker 8 (03:36):
Yeah, obviously James Brown.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Yeah, I missed the musical reference. I feel good, Dan.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
I don't know if he does.
Speaker 7 (03:44):
I wonder if he did any Christmas albums change, No doubt, Tyler,
no doubt.
Speaker 8 (03:50):
I would guarantee that he was around for so long.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Yeah, that was not John, by the way, and you
know it, Peter and I were just discussing this.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
What was playing.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
I think it's that's a young Elton John, only because
he's singing up back in his old high sort of
high baritone tenor register and Pete's thinking that might be
more recent.
Speaker 6 (04:07):
No, I'm thinking like I've just started trolling back through
Elton John albums from like, you know, nineteen seventies and
that sort of thing, and listening to the entire albums
that's not on them.
Speaker 7 (04:16):
Can I just say though, Actually, on our list of
topics we're going to talk about today is a photo
of a young to beverage.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
That's no, that's me just a couple of years ago.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Ye.
Speaker 8 (04:26):
Well, and you're looking like you've just like walked down
of a dry band.
Speaker 6 (04:33):
It's a lovely photo.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Okay. It's from my Christmas album and my producer Tire
said you should put that at the top of the list,
just to provoke the guys into having a crack at Ye.
Speaker 7 (04:41):
I can't work out you've got the vest on. I
can't work out with the you're going for the snooker
player look or the jockey.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
I don't know what I was looking for. It's not
it's actually not my greatest photo, but it's you know,
it's Christmas and it's from my Christmas album.
Speaker 8 (04:52):
Hey, can you still buy it? Can you still get it?
Speaker 5 (04:54):
Oh? On Spotify?
Speaker 4 (04:56):
Yeah, this is actually pays for it pays for my
Christmas shopping. Every year one song and sorry listeners, if
you've heard this before. Normally you at the end of
the each year you get I get a statement's like, oh,
we are your seventeen dollars or something. And then one
year the chick came over two and a half thousand
dollars because I'd had one song in the States. It
(05:16):
had over two and a half million plays and it
was White Christmas and it's got a bit of country
in it, bit of a steel guitar, and I was actually.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
Like, it was funny.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
I was expecting seventeen dollars and I was like, it said,
please send us an invoice file how much?
Speaker 8 (05:31):
So if we play that today during the show.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
You'd have to play it about three million times.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
Let's not do that.
Speaker 6 (05:38):
Do we get a cut.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
Out of Yeah?
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Well no, I'm just wondering if you can get my
New Zealand playlift list up. I think the only person
who plays my other in New Zealand to me anyway, Hey,
good to have you in the Good to have you
in the studio. Guys, Now let's get into it. New
Fairies have cooked straight. The price hasn't been revealed and
Nikola Willis. Here's the story was, she said, we've got
a big announcement on the fairies, and you know what,
(06:02):
it was an old goal they could have the where
I was expecting. I woke up thinking I can't wait
to hear we're going to find buying and instead the
big announcement, maybe it was a big announcement, was that
we have a new Minister of Rail and it's old
Winnie Peter's Peter wolf Camp.
Speaker 6 (06:18):
I was disappointed too, because it does you know that
it's triggering almost that whole thing about, you know, an
announcement about an announcement. So in that sense, yes, it's
an olden goal. What I did do is read the
Stephen Joyce article editorial in the Herald today talking a
bit because you know, former Transport minister, former finance minister.
It was on his plate back in sort of twenty
(06:40):
seventeen and obviously unresolved, but very very insightful piece of writing,
as always from Stephen Joyce, so it's worth.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
Can you play it now?
Speaker 6 (06:49):
Essentially that certainly the gold plated idea of a rail
enabled faery is in his opinion anyway, unaffordable.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
So we could talk in rail compatible then yeah, so on,
roll off, but leave the engines.
Speaker 6 (07:03):
There is this notion that somehow you have these enormous
ferries where the train literally goes right on and then
takes off on the other end, Whereas in the article
he talks about the fact that most countries over the
around the world go you bring the container to the
port on the rail, it gets offloaded onto a dolly.
The dolly goes onto the ferry and across to the
(07:23):
other side. So let's accept that that's actually standard practice
around the world and embrace that.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
Yeah, okay, and do you think that here we go?
Speaker 8 (07:30):
Mark?
Speaker 5 (07:31):
Do you I actually think you know what I've gone?
So one ad?
Speaker 4 (07:35):
As I've mentioned, you know, when Winston was campaigning, he
wasn't my favorite politician by long shork.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
But he can Winston do the deal?
Speaker 4 (07:43):
And I suspect there is a deal as a backup already,
Mark Chrhysl, what do you know?
Speaker 8 (07:47):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (07:47):
I mean this is this looks to me like a
little bit and we're seeing a little bit of this
play out around this politically wise. Looks to me like
a little bit like the coalition partners are starting to
flex their muscles a little bit around.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
This, Winston's flexed his muscle and David Seymour as well.
Speaker 7 (08:03):
Apparently it was hold up for so long because David
Seymour didn't want any public money going into it, and
whereas on the other hand, Winston, being an economic nationalist,
is all for rail, and I think you have to
look at rail as being in many ways in our
future as we seek to bring down carbon emissions and
(08:23):
those sorts of things. Rail is a much cleaner way
of doing it than just clogging our roads with trucks.
Speaker 8 (08:29):
So I feel it.
Speaker 7 (08:31):
Was shots fired a little bit from Winston saying I'm
not going to be rolled over this. He's got to
march to come up with something that doesn't give my
opponents much time, does it. It's pretty quick, So I
don't know, I just can see. I'm just been looking
at the polls this week, you know, Winston at the
moment with the polling, you know, taken across they're all
(08:53):
quite different, but there's some trends in there, and the
trends are that they will be holding the balance of
power quite likely come the next election. So yeah, I
know what You've just made me think that if I
made you think first, you have yes.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
I mean I don't often challenge me, but that's just
a little bit of Christmas.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
You know.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
I love you Mark.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
No.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
If I was.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
Luxome, I think that when Seymour becomes Deputy PM, I
think it actually would be and that'll be halfway through
the term. If I was him, I would get I
would try and have another summit with the leaders to
get everyone back and have a bit of a system's reset,
and the same way that he drew them together to
Seymour and Winston to sort of work together. I almost
(09:40):
think it's going to need that come in a few
months time, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
What do you think, Pete?
Speaker 6 (09:45):
From what you're saying, it sounds like are the minor
parties ACT and New Zealand First going to think that
they've become strong enough that they have influence outside of
their scope, let's say, and what or are they better
off saying actually will will make the coalition work in
order to get re elected or do they feel they've
got a bigger chance to get rid of Those are
(10:06):
good questions.
Speaker 7 (10:06):
I think it's quite different when you're sitting down negotiating
at the end of an elections as to opposed to
halfway through, and I think, you know, conventional wisdom is
that Christopher Luction got rolled in those negotiations, that they
got a lot more than they were, you know, than
they than their support probably warranted. So that'll be very
(10:29):
interesting to see how that plays out. And as you
get closer to the election, third parties or smaller parties
often suffer if they're part of a coalition, they get overlooked.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
Yeah, so they're trying to find that balance between flex
and their muscles survival for them.
Speaker 5 (10:43):
Although the polls I think they're doing all right.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Act in New Zealand first, So.
Speaker 7 (10:46):
Yeah, with the pears there are up at also up
are up at seven, you know, which is high. And
you know, you could see if it came down to
negotiation at the end, and you know, Labor had the
choice of going with New Zealand First or to party Maty,
I mean, which may be more.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
Palat he's ruling out in New Zealand First, or a
ready cris up guns.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
But yeah, they all say yeah, yeah, oh well, anyway,
there we go.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
So hopefully we'll get a new I reckon. You know,
I'm not optimistic that.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
We'll have a decent announcement in a few months time
in Winston now.
Speaker 6 (11:17):
But it would have been good if it was this week.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
Absolutely absolute political fail on Negola Willis's but also.
Speaker 7 (11:24):
A political fail on expecting councils to do any upgrades
to it. Whatever happens, whatever faries they get, you're going
to have to upgrade. That is not fair for the
people Wellington or Melbourne, Nelson's. They have to pay for
that out there.
Speaker 8 (11:37):
That is part of our.
Speaker 7 (11:38):
Basically our state highway system. So that's for all the
people of New Zealand benefit from that. So that should
be coming from the central.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
Absolutely well, that's why I think they'll be doing a
bit of work in between now and when we actually
hear something further fingers crossed. Look, there's been a lot
of talk about this the greyhound racing band.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
I was actually surprised because I just guess.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
As racing minister, I thought Winston Peters would be for
any form of racing sort of thing. But anyway, they've
and I had a few calls from people who loved
the greyhound, who actually do care about the dogs themselves,
and they were saying that we've improved a lot and
all that sort of thing. But it just seems that
the appetite for what we see happens to dogs when
it goes wrong is not there, so they're going to
be phasing it out. Mark, what do you reckon? Look?
Speaker 7 (12:17):
I did a story on this Sunday, the Dearly Departed
Sunday program a few years ago, and we had a
deep dive and look at it, and there are a
lot of dogs dying. It's bad for them physically going
around the corners, they splinter the bones.
Speaker 8 (12:31):
You know those sorts of things.
Speaker 7 (12:33):
They tried to change it in Australia where they just
ran straight Yeah, just a straight out sprint, but you.
Speaker 8 (12:38):
Know all sorts of allegations.
Speaker 7 (12:40):
You know, dogs with meth and phetamine, dogs being euthanased
if they weren't running fast enough.
Speaker 8 (12:46):
Look, I think it's time that it's gone.
Speaker 7 (12:49):
And good on Winston, who actually I think loves dogs
more than they loves dog raceste.
Speaker 6 (12:55):
I look quite surprised in the since I remember a conversation.
And you know, I'll put my hand up. In all
of my life, I've never been to a dog race,
nor even to a horse race. Right, it's just not
my thing. But I know someone who owned dogs and
ran dogs and prior to the election was you know,
there's been rumblings about them banning grey round racing for
a while and his opinion was very much, oh well,
(13:17):
when Winston's and then it's guaranteed to stay. So I
think they're quite surprised at the decision.
Speaker 8 (13:22):
I know they work really hard.
Speaker 7 (13:23):
I mean upgraded a lot of tracks, that they have
an amazing rehoming facility which I visited, and everybody I
know that owns a gy a greyhound and Alte loves
them unless you've got a cat. And then in the
bleak of an eye, I'll tell you what. They're fast.
Oh my god, they're fast. If you see them out,
(13:45):
they just that they are just lightning fast and quick.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
Ass. Yes, well as Tony do will a test when
he tried to catch us when it got out of
his carr and it led him on a run around
mission day for three and a half kilometers. I've told
that talk. Well, I won't tell the whole thing again,
but he told me about how his dog got af
leition and it just ran and ran around and I
didn't I didn't know what it was, and I just said,
what sort of dog is it? By the way, And
he goes it's a greyhound, and which I thought was
(14:09):
very funny.
Speaker 5 (14:10):
Why would you start chasing?
Speaker 7 (14:11):
Apparently they only need one run a day and then
they just come back and they have ever kept there.
Speaker 8 (14:16):
Fine. Good on them, Yeah, very nice natured, good dogs.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
Yeah, there we go? Right, what about all this is
not good news for journalists?
Speaker 9 (14:24):
Is it a new alcohol?
Speaker 8 (14:27):
You?
Speaker 5 (14:29):
Sorry?
Speaker 8 (14:30):
Good thing?
Speaker 5 (14:31):
I'm not a tell tell you what. We'll have a
cup of t in a lie down. We'll come back
on this.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
News talk because it'd be This is the panel. Mark
Krysl and Pete wolf Cap are my guests. It's twenty
coming up to twenty one past three.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
It's been a.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Long long time. I just said that you were.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Here's that.
Speaker 6 (14:58):
Married?
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Read?
Speaker 4 (15:06):
Well, there it is, says Mark Kreis. All my guests
on the panel, along with Pete Wolfcamp. I'm Tim Beverage.
By the way, he said he's better than James Brown.
We talked about did James Brand have a Christmas album?
And here it is?
Speaker 8 (15:16):
How good is that?
Speaker 5 (15:17):
There we go?
Speaker 8 (15:18):
This is something I put on. This is great exactly
after I played Jewels.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Ye did I have an expression on my face?
Speaker 5 (15:25):
There?
Speaker 8 (15:26):
She was the one you put on when you want
people to go home as.
Speaker 6 (15:29):
The evenings, want to clear it out.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
You want you can't find the pool.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
Funny thing is you know why you are right with
that because our very own friend this is before I
joined radio, may have very own or was it during
I can't remember, but very un Francisca Rudkin reviewed the
album this before I really knew her, and and she said,
she said, I don't know how to describe this, but
it's actually quite a romantic album. And I thought, maybe
you know, so it is the album when you want,
(15:54):
you want to go home and canoodle, you just put
on a bit of it. Have yours?
Speaker 8 (16:00):
Oh my god? Okay, fill my beating heart?
Speaker 4 (16:04):
Yes, anyway, booze awesome new alcohol rules of coming for Auckland.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
To be honest, I didn't realize you.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
Could buy alcohol at a bottle store, dairy or supermarket
after nine pm, but you certainly can't on Monday those
foot rules come into force. It's actually not such a startling.
It just means that if you've been on the booze,
you've been at the pub, and you suddenly go, let's
go down to the supermarket eleven o'clock, you can't actually
get any more, so you better make sure you stuck
(16:31):
up Pete.
Speaker 6 (16:32):
To me, it feels just like sensible legislation because in
the end, if you're let's say you've I don't know,
you've got friends coming around, suddenly you realize you don't
have enough agree or whatever. And at seven o'clock and
you end up down right, that's great. But at nine
o'clock realistic nobody.
Speaker 7 (16:48):
Yeah, I mean this is the time you start Putts
album on, send them all off a canodle.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
Yeah, that's right. You put on tim beverage. You don't early, Well,
it's last Monday.
Speaker 6 (16:59):
I think it was great.
Speaker 8 (17:00):
Look anything that limits it, in my eyes, it's good.
Speaker 7 (17:03):
I mean, I don't want to go back to the
six o'clock close and you know, you can't drink on
Sundays and stuff. But I have been out with the
police on a Friday night in Central Auckland and it's
an absolute zoo out there.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
It is.
Speaker 8 (17:16):
It's such a waste of our precious resources.
Speaker 7 (17:20):
You know, you've got people, you know, the cops locking people,
are people ending up in the ed with you know,
horrendous injuries and things like that. So anything that you
know slows that down a little bit as it gets
a tick from me.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
People say they don't think it's going to cause making
any difference to alcohol related harm, but I think it
might stop a few people trashing themselves in a week.
Speaker 6 (17:41):
Where I think it's sensible is you know, arguably for us,
it's not going to have a big impact, right, we
can plan ahead, we can we probably when you boost
it in the fridge. But what it does do is
captures those people for whom it might be a problem.
So in that sense it's sensible.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
Actually, when you are out as a normal punter on
the town in Auckland is one thing. But you when
you were out mark with the police, did it give
you a completely different impression of Auckland. Of course they
responding to they're basically responding to all the negative stuff.
Speaker 8 (18:10):
So my god, one hundred percent.
Speaker 7 (18:12):
And particularly it was down it was around k Road
and down Queen Street as well. And the police say,
I think a lot of people say this, nothing good ever,
nothing good ever happens after three a mines.
Speaker 8 (18:23):
That is so true. It is it is, it is, yeah.
Speaker 7 (18:27):
But I think the other thing though to realize is
that drinking is falling away, particularly the younger generation aren't
drinking as much as they were before. And like when
I did, it would have been around ten years or
so ago, and the binge drinking culture was at a
real height at that stage, and you know all the
nonsense that went with that.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
I would like to think it's not because they're they're
taking more meth amphetamine, cocaine and MDMA, Because this is
the thing. I still science amazes me what they can do.
But they test the waste water to show how much
meth cocaine and in DMA the population are you and yeah,
(19:07):
so where there's been a major increase in the amount
of twenty two percent of MDMA compared with the previous
four quarters with an eight I don't know what this
means an estimated eight and a half kilos of the
drug used weekly. I guess when you're talking about infinitesimal's
bit of bits of a gram.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
But but they can extrapolate back. It's amazing, isn't.
Speaker 6 (19:28):
Essentially they're back engineering the numbers to try and figure
out if this is what we're detecting, how much of
people consuming.
Speaker 8 (19:33):
I mean, look at that cocaine uses up by eighty
six percent.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
I have never encountered cocaine use ever in New Zealand.
But that just shows what a sheltered, sheltered life I lead.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
Have you you guys, ever encountered it? You know at
any time?
Speaker 7 (19:48):
You know, seen it in a social Really think I'm
going I'm silly enough to say, yes, this is a trap,
isn't that?
Speaker 8 (19:56):
I know what you're doing.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
That's why you're a big fan of I'm dreaming of
a White Christmas.
Speaker 8 (20:03):
I prefer the movie to look. I think.
Speaker 7 (20:06):
I think a lot of this is down to probably availability.
There's probably a hell of a lot more coming in.
I know the biking gangs are.
Speaker 8 (20:15):
Allegedly responsible for a lot of this.
Speaker 7 (20:17):
They have connections with the Mexicans, you know, the cartels,
that sort of thing. So I you know, and I
think particularly I've heard that New Zealand is a very
attractive destination for drug smugglers because we pay more, do Yeah,
we pay a higher price for our drugs and much else.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
Such an onjourn on this, Peter, you are are you
really innocent? I don't ask about you.
Speaker 6 (20:42):
I'm not talking no, no, no, But even in terms
of you know, would I expect to encounter it in
my life? No, I probably wouldn't do. I know people
are involved, Yeah, I probably do. I mean there's every
now and then there's story is about you know, laborers
and people on construction sites taking drugs just to get
through the day. But then it's also increasingly my Surge
(21:07):
of course did some work for him back in the day.
That's another story. But anyway, yeah, so, I mean, but
you know, drug testing in the workplace is kind of well,
put a stop to that to some degree. And the
other thing that people talk about is, you know, is
it more common, let's say among professional classes as well,
the sort.
Speaker 7 (21:27):
Of yeah, I mean they call meth and fettermine the
poor man's cocaine, and you know that has there are
regions of New Zealand they're absolutely.
Speaker 8 (21:36):
Wrecked by myth.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
It's tragedy.
Speaker 7 (21:38):
We're not seeing the same sort of damage with cocaine,
which appears to be sort of used recreationally that sort
of thing, but meth has absolutely you know, there's some
areas of New Zealand, poorer areas, isolated areas where it's
just come in and it's just hollowed people out, and
that's pretty pretty scary, and it's a very difficult addiction to.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
Break You should get your teenagers to watch Breaking Bad,
because there's not a single user of meth in that
show who looks anything but absolutely trashed. It's got to
be the best advertisement for not using drugs. That doesn't
great show. Something you just said I thought was interesting.
Speaker 8 (22:15):
Just that's that's amazing. So I've challenged you and I've
said something, what's the trifect?
Speaker 4 (22:21):
No, it was it was just your cute way of
referring to the gangs as the biking gangs. It sounds
so sort of the biking gangs makes it sound like
they're riding around on choppers and sort of people call
them bikis anymore. I just call them gangs or the filth. No,
that's sorry, I just call them gangs. But it's just
a cute little adjective together front which makes them sound less.
Speaker 8 (22:41):
So what the police also call them the outlaw bike gangs.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
That's right.
Speaker 7 (22:45):
That was the other one, you know, And and a
lot of those ones that came over with the five
O ones and set up shop here have really taken
the drug smuggling drug selling to another level.
Speaker 8 (22:57):
Well.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
Also, as I made of mind and the police said,
he said, you should he said, the ones have come over,
the Aussie bassed gangs have come here. He said. They
may make our local local gangs look like you know,
look soft ass pretty tough.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
Anyway.
Speaker 6 (23:11):
The first time I ever rode on a motorcycle on
the back of a bike was on the back of
the Bikings motorbike. Really yeah, funny story now. A guy
came round to buy a motorbike from a brother and
he was in a gang. This was a long long
time ago, and then my brother thought it'd be funny
if he popped me onto the back while this guy
would protest ripes. It was, I don't put me off
(23:34):
only a motorbike.
Speaker 8 (23:34):
But there you go.
Speaker 5 (23:36):
I don't know what to say that. It's all anyway,
I'm still talking to each other.
Speaker 6 (23:40):
It was South Auckland.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
Yeah. Well, just onto another topic, which is seventy five
percent of school leavers say that the sex education they've
received at school.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
Is insufficient, which which raises the question that surprises that weird.
Speaker 8 (24:00):
I can't imagine.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
Any teenager going I haven't left who would admit they
hadn't learned.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
Enough about it. But are you expecting to learn it
all at school?
Speaker 6 (24:08):
At school, you'd probably come away with that opinion. But
you know, having a son who's at high school now,
and for those of us who've got kids going through
the secondary school, typically it's fairly comprehensive.
Speaker 8 (24:20):
Yeah, it's quite different when I was growing exactly. It's
very out there.
Speaker 7 (24:24):
And the other thing is it's quite much easier to
talk to your parents about it now than it was
when we were growing up.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
I remember my last thing, my dad's sitting down. We
had some encyclopedias, and my dad sat me down one
day because I was teasing him about not doing it,
and he felt the pressure and show me, if you buy,
show me a few diagrams and something. And I came
away with it knowing nothing. And then my oldest no
I won't say which brother, an older brother one day
(24:52):
showed me a men's magazine and gave me some very
blunt advice. But i'll tell you what, I learned more
in about five seconds from that brother than I did
from poor old dad's twenty minute sort of academic scientific
chat about rep production of the birds and the bees.
Speaker 7 (25:07):
But it is a hilarious time when you're a kid
and you go through that, you know, it's like a
Benny Hill skit or something.
Speaker 5 (25:14):
I mean, where did you guys learn most about it?
Was it just sort of is.
Speaker 8 (25:17):
This another trap? No, it's not.
Speaker 5 (25:20):
No, it's not a trap.
Speaker 8 (25:21):
But no one else is listening to this, right.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
No, no, no, between us one hundred thousand plus or something.
Speaker 5 (25:27):
I don't know, actually, I mean, but when did you
because the thing.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
For me I wish I had probably learn more about
because I didn't have sisters, was just about probably relationships. Yeah,
and because girls were a big mystery? Did you go
to an all boys school only when I was eleven
or twelve? But then I was at Western Nights High
School and Ruder Earth, so that was all co Eden.
Speaker 6 (25:45):
It was a square cry if you go to single
sex school.
Speaker 8 (25:48):
Yeah, So do you think that was made a difference?
Speaker 6 (25:51):
Yeah, but gosh I left school in my last year
at high school was nine to eighty four. Right, so
we're talking about six head in the early eighties and
a single six Catholic boys school.
Speaker 8 (26:02):
Okay, pretty Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
Actually, the thing that has come out is that one
of the things that came out in this, in the
reports around this, is that there hasn't been enough teaching
about consent and that people need to be taught about that.
But see, I think that that tells us something about
if the issue of consent is something that is a
mystery to kids, then there's something wrong with just their
(26:28):
education about life in general, because you know, the issue
of consent and treating people with respect shouldn't be the
one only that comes up when it comes to sex.
It should be something that you've learned years ago just
about the way you treat people. So but I think
one of the issues is, and it's pointed out around
this article, is the amount of pornography that kids have
access to outside of school, and that's a completely different world.
(26:50):
That's not going to teach you anything about sex, probably
teach you how not to do it, how not to
treat people.
Speaker 8 (26:55):
And that is that is massive.
Speaker 7 (26:57):
The amount of porn that kids are watching now on
their phones or their iPads and devices is that's the
scary thing. So that's where schools maybe need to be
picking up their game have bit to counter that. I
don't know how you do that, but that that's a
real issue. You might have borrowed your brother's magazine, Well
multiply that time is about forty thousand, and that's what
(27:18):
they're getting those.
Speaker 8 (27:19):
He showed that.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
He showed it to me.
Speaker 6 (27:21):
You wouldn't list to borrow it?
Speaker 5 (27:22):
No, I just.
Speaker 8 (27:25):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
I left my any brother with this conversation. Oh I
needed a cup of tea to lie down.
Speaker 8 (27:30):
And it is what is it?
Speaker 5 (27:32):
Twenty three minutes to four. My guests on the studio,
we're watching you.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
I can't get a word in any way, at least
get anyway. It is the esteemed Mark krysl and Pete
wolf Camp. I'm Tim Beverage. We'll go back in just
a moment discussing a whole lot of other stuff and
the Times Person of the Year, unsurprising winner.
Speaker 8 (27:51):
Of that award.
Speaker 5 (27:51):
Back in a tack.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
It's twenty two minutes to four.
Speaker 9 (28:22):
And welcome back to the Weekend Collective.
Speaker 5 (28:23):
I do like this one for just a lot. Like
you tell that's twisted, sister, I've got a crystal funny thing.
Is this is almost the same as.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
When I'm gone to take it. No, we're not gonna
it's almost come all you faithful. In fact, I think
they might have ripped off. Come all you faithful if
we're not going to take it. But anyway, there we go. People,
you should look up it's a very twisted Christmas. It's
been around for a while. If you want to shock
people when they come around for your Christmas tipple, then
twisted sisters are very twisted Christmas. Anyway. Look, I don't
(28:53):
know the look, there wasn't much of a surprise. I
would have picked Trump for Times Person of the Year,
wouldn't you have Mark Kreisel? Well, yes, of course, you know.
Hitler got it once.
Speaker 6 (29:04):
I was gonna Stalin got it twice.
Speaker 8 (29:06):
Yeah. So I mean it's you know, does it that great?
Speaker 5 (29:08):
Anyway?
Speaker 7 (29:09):
You know, Donald Trump is well known for printing out
for years before he became a politician, fake Man of
the Year, Time Man of the Year covers and putting
them up at his golf courses.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
And now he's got two of them.
Speaker 8 (29:21):
Now he's got the real one.
Speaker 5 (29:23):
Look, it's what do they say, It's it's the individual
for who, for better or worsted the most to shaped
the world and the headlines over the past twelve months.
I mean that years.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
You could have given it to Putin too. In fact,
maybe they're a year ahead of them. Maybe it was
a year early for him. Pete, I mean, you got nothing.
Speaker 6 (29:42):
It's no surprise and it's there because he has and
undoubtedly will make a dramatic impact on the planet.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
Actually, the thing that worries Wenesday, I'm surprised at how
much I've just tuned out of American politics. Now it's over,
and I've sort of gone, oh, well, this is what
you've done that, this is what you voted for, then
go to it. But some of his cabinet choices, I'm sorry,
and I know for all of those who are trumping
nouns or whatever, but some of his cabinet choices are
(30:12):
barking mad. It's almost, let's find someone who's sort of
going to be sort of commentator, who is a sort
of willing egg neoramus who knows a little bit about
and bugger all at the same time, and.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
It's like, oh, you're qualified. Look RFK.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
The one point I can argue for him is he
wants to get processed food. He wants to regulate that
more and maybe you know, has.
Speaker 8 (30:34):
Found out a hundred.
Speaker 6 (30:36):
He runs into big business who are the other side
of the cabinet and so on, who want more and
more of whatever they're selling to be on the shelf.
Speaker 5 (30:43):
So it'll be Pete Higgsseth of Secretive of Defense I
mean Fox News sort of. I mean I mean sorry,
And whether you like that Pete Higgseth as a as
a commentator or not, come on, seriously, it needs serious people.
Speaker 7 (30:57):
I mean they there's something actually Winston Peters is always
fond of talking about. But they definitely a lot of
them fail the character test.
Speaker 8 (31:08):
They really are, they really do.
Speaker 7 (31:10):
It'll be interesting to see how much they fall in
line the senators when they have to confirm these people.
That'll be really interesting whether they push back or not,
and also be interesting to see how long they last
in those roles.
Speaker 5 (31:23):
Actually, I'll tell you something interesting.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
I've noticed.
Speaker 5 (31:25):
This is just and when I mentioned it to.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
A colleague, this is just an aesthetic thing. But and
all the pr things I've seen Trump, and he's ditched
the red tie and he's now gone back to gold
or gone he's got to He's just changed his tiger,
and I was.
Speaker 5 (31:38):
Like, something's different about him. Something, Well, the tires differ
because there was always a red times and now he's
got the gold, which is possibly.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
His favorite color. I think anyway, they could do the region,
they could redo Goldfinger with a sort of Trump Day. Anyway,
there we go nothing more to say, kids, He've gone
all quiet. Now, Okay, let's move on because.
Speaker 8 (31:58):
There's been enough set about Donald. Let's live.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
Let's live the mystery Jones drones over New g I've
only really caught this story on the periphery, but the
more you dig into it, it's quite bizarre about the
number of flying objects and now that the politicians are
furious and they want to answers from the FBI and
the security of Defense Force and things. Have you followed
the story much, guys.
Speaker 6 (32:21):
But it links into a whole lot of other stories around,
like some American Air Force baces in the UK which
have had drones flying around. And that's the thing. And
whether it's you know, a curious plane spotter who wants
to see a B fifty two sitting on the runway,
or potentially given that you know, something the size of
suitcase is able to travel hundreds of kilometers, record information
(32:42):
and then retreat and you don't know where it's come from.
Speaker 7 (32:45):
These are these are actually like six feet across, which
is which I see the defense people are saying that
they're actually manned aircraft.
Speaker 8 (32:54):
But you know, I predict that we are.
Speaker 7 (32:57):
Going to see a lot of mysterious drones buzzing about
over Christmas from people who get them in their stockings. Yes,
and I also predict that ninety percent of them will
be used once because they're flown into a tree and
people can't get them down.
Speaker 8 (33:13):
Yeah. Of all the.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
Countries in the world that loves UFOs the most as well,
it's America, I would say, so.
Speaker 8 (33:20):
What's the only place UFOs go? They're not interested in the.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
Rest of the world pretty much, it does seem.
Speaker 6 (33:26):
There was a famous UFO siky Yeah.
Speaker 8 (33:28):
Yeah, yeah, that was famous. It was on one News.
Speaker 5 (33:31):
Did you cover that or something?
Speaker 8 (33:32):
Was that? No? No, I was still in.
Speaker 5 (33:33):
School school sorry, Mark.
Speaker 8 (33:37):
You're not sorry? No, sorry, you're sorry when you're not sorry?
Speaker 4 (33:40):
Sorry not so no I am I am, I am,
I am. Hey, Now the school prize givings and we're
going to talk about this in the in the parents squad.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
And there's there's I mean, it's.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
Almost like one of those grinchy sort of stories where
it's just inviting a gut reaction from people strongly one
way or the other. Yes, but research showing that given
giving awards to children, awards or rewards, even just in
rewarding them for doing something well at home, or something
can be more harmful than helpful. I don't know. I
(34:14):
get way to go with.
Speaker 5 (34:14):
Us, but.
Speaker 8 (34:19):
This information seems to change every year.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
I just start to think, well, okay, for instance, my
daughter did quite well, but she didn't get at her
new school. But she saw some girls getting better awards.
And I was sitting next to my wife and I said,
I bet you such and such seas to us, And
I bet you. She says later on, Daddy, I think
I'm going to try working a bit harder because she's
got a sight set on those, and you know what.
(34:42):
We're driving along and she goes, Dad, I think I'm
going to work harder next year, and I was like,
why is that?
Speaker 5 (34:49):
You know, I just think I might.
Speaker 8 (34:53):
Anyway, I saw this morning and she was really nice.
Speaker 7 (34:56):
My daughter's cricket team. They are a bunch of eleven
year olds and they are their last game of the
season and we handed out the just we do a
player of the Day every week and that can kind
of get shared around a bit, but they are so
enthusiastic in supporting the girl that wins.
Speaker 8 (35:11):
And it's very genuine as well. And that's I love seeing.
Speaker 4 (35:15):
That, and I think, you know, obviously, don't turn ordinary
day activities into a competition where you have to reward everything.
But in terms of prize givings, Pete, what do you reckon?
Speaker 3 (35:23):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (35:23):
Look, I heard the story and I listened to the headline,
and I was infuriated, and then I thought, actually, maybe
I should read the article.
Speaker 8 (35:32):
Having like a millennial there. Yeah, I just.
Speaker 6 (35:34):
Felt that I should approach this with an even handed manner.
And I still disagree with I kind of understand what
they're saying in terms of if you want to build
a fully rounded human being, then it's not about the reward, right.
It needs to be intrinsic. You need to do things
because there is an intrinsic value in doing well. But
(35:55):
having been to four prize givings at the end of
this year, so I went to the Music Prize Giving
or Music Awards the pacifica Night, the Senior Prize Giving,
and a year nine and ten Prize Giving. Not because
I've got that many kids or anything like that. It's
just I happen to be a board member and it's
good that we go along, and my son's involved in
a couple of those things. Overwhelmingly there is a sense
(36:16):
of celebration congratulation to those students in those case boys
who have been given an award. And you go to
any academic prize giving nowadays, and the first round of
awards certainly is at Rosmondy College. Is these are for
basically effort, right, This is a commitment to learning award.
If your teachers have recognized that you've applied yourself, regardless
(36:40):
of the outcome, you will get an award.
Speaker 7 (36:42):
Actually, that's a Bolsily Primary where my daughter was just
about to finish that they have an award, and I
think it's one of the highest awards in the school
every year to the kid that is basically the kindest
and it's a lovely you know, and the ones that
don't win are always kind about who got chosen, but
you know, but it's a lovely award and the people
(37:05):
when then the kids that are finalists for it, you know.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
I think the nugget of useful information in this is
it's about, don't you know. It's about where kids can
get intrinsic satisfaction from things like making your bed, doing
things around the house that shouldn't be stuff that's subject
or a reward that should just be like, guess how
good it feels to cook a mealf for your family.
Let the intrinsic satisfaction. Don't reward everything. So I think
there's a place, you know, school for excellence and effort
(37:31):
and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 5 (37:31):
Great, but I think it's.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
Just the warning, don't reward kids for doing something that
they should really learn to do for their own self esteem.
That sounds about right to me.
Speaker 6 (37:40):
And the other thing is that like recognizing excellence and
if it is really really important.
Speaker 5 (37:46):
It's inspiring to the kids too.
Speaker 6 (37:48):
You see, the kids already know right now they're doing
their prize giving. The kid ready they know. And I mean,
I look, it was a fantastic thing at the senior
prize giving the other day. Typically you announced the ducks
at the end of the year right now. They did
all the metrics and they couldn't decide between six students
who could all have been named ducks. So they said
that the pros giving. I'm really sorry, folks, We're not
(38:11):
going to award it. The only way that we feel
that we can do it fair is to wait for
the NCAA results. That's how close last cohort of students
are and they say who the students were. Yeah, they
all come up recognized as being the top six academic
students at the school, and one of them is going
to They're all going to be invited back next year
special assembly.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
Fantastic celebrate success. Hey, well we need to quick break.
We'll be back in just a moment. This is the
weekend collect of my panelist Mark cries On Pete wolf Camp.
It is coming up to eight minutes to four News
Talks ed B. Yes, welcome back News Talks HEEDB. Just
but quickly before we say goodbye. I know Pete warlf
Camp in particular loves the story about they Might Have
ten worker who there was a ute driver who had
(38:52):
obviously parked in the wrong spot, and so the and the.
Speaker 5 (38:54):
And the falkless driver from Might Have ten.
Speaker 4 (38:56):
He was rocked up and he was going to literally
lift the thing up with the hell.
Speaker 6 (39:03):
And look, I can understand that might ten maybe slightly embarrassed,
and it's probably not the sort of behavior you want
from your workers.
Speaker 5 (39:10):
But no one's going to say back there now, that's.
Speaker 6 (39:12):
Right, And given the liberties that trades take with parking
the four wheel drives, which I have as well, wherever
the like. Maybe it's a good lesson for that guy.
Speaker 8 (39:20):
I love the language.
Speaker 6 (39:22):
I think it's great.
Speaker 8 (39:22):
I love the language.
Speaker 7 (39:23):
In the article, spokesperson said they're very disappointed, and then
somebody else said, you heard the customer having words with
the staff.
Speaker 6 (39:37):
Trade. He turns up, demands something, yells at somebody, and
the fook truck driver probably goes, Actually, here's a lesson
in humility.
Speaker 4 (39:45):
And I would say it was delivered. Hey, guys, thank
you so much for being on our panel this year.
Speaker 8 (39:50):
Pleasure.
Speaker 5 (39:51):
And you're going away for Christmas.
Speaker 8 (39:53):
Mark when we'll be around Auckland and then we're heading
we'll be going off grid up north on the back
roads of Russell.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
Excellent.
Speaker 5 (40:00):
Oh good stuff. And Pete, you're having a bit of
time off.
Speaker 6 (40:04):
Off, will stick around doing some stuff here?
Speaker 8 (40:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (40:06):
I might. Actually no, nothing more than Sundays. Oh, good
stuff Sundays. Oh and Christmas Day. There you go, Christmas.
I'm here on Christmas Day.
Speaker 4 (40:13):
Hate wolf camp on Christmas Day?
Speaker 5 (40:16):
Any better, guys, don't ask any building.
Speaker 7 (40:19):
Have a wonderful Christmas guys, and are the same to
all the listeners out there.
Speaker 8 (40:23):
Nice and safe.
Speaker 7 (40:24):
Think about what's important in your life, going ahead to
next year and doing.
Speaker 5 (40:28):
A nice refreshing Sprits on Christmas Day.
Speaker 4 (40:31):
And we'll be back shortly Helen, Helen, Solomon and Solon
is with us back in the moment. You just talks.
Speaker 8 (40:37):
It'd be.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
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