February 7, 2025 • 40 mins
Today on The Panel, Tim Beveridge is joined by Kyle MacDonald and Wilhelmina Shrimpton to discuss the biggest stories from the week that was.
David Seymour clashes with Guy Williams, unemployment rate hits 5.1%, Margie Apa resigns, Cook Islands to sign a deal with China, and more!
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And a very good afternoon to you. I'm Tim Beverage.
Welcome to the Weekend Collective the Saturday, the eighth of February.
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a little bit because it's a little bit of Bruce
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a moment, the panel with my as always esteemed and
respected panelists. And after four for the one roof radio show,
we've got Debi Roberts from the property Apprendice, and we're
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going to talk about landlords and tenants and how landlords
are five times more likely to take tenants to the
tribunal than the other way around, and what are the
ways to avoid this, what are the best ways to
preserve good relationships with either your landlord or, depending on
which side you're on, your tenants. And also we might
have a look at a few rules about choosing your
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first investment property as well. After five with the Parents
Squad with Katherin Burkeertt, who's actually going to be with
us in the studio for the first time actually because
we're normally down the line having a chat about neuro divergency.
Because I think if your parents once to look at
their child and think, well, there's a little quirk here,
a little quirk there, but when should you actually seek
a little bit more advice about your child if you're
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concerned about where they sit on the neuro divergence spectrum. Gosh,
I had a bit of a trouble saying to that. Anyway,
Welcome to the Weekend Collective. It is nine minutes past
three and time to introduce our panel. And again last
week it was aged before beauty, and I think we're
going to go age before beauty now. I think it's
a bold call. He's gritting his teeth. He's like, oh,
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I'm first am I he's known as psychotherapist. He's a
resident psychologist. Should I say on the Nutters Club? And
it is Carl McDonald, Oi, Kyle, how are you?
Speaker 3 (03:02):
I'm very well.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Thank you Now as I was saying psycho therapist and
then I said, psychologists, you got it right the first time.
I got it right the first time, not the second time.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
But it's an easy But it starts with psycho, that's right.
I took my dad years to get it right. So
you're fine.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yeah, starts with psycho, ends with psycho. There'd be a
good sort of start with your for a Twitter profile, wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
It, given the way Twitter has gone now, yes, it
would be.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Indeed, Sorry, Tinder was the one. I was thinking about
mixing them up, and she's been very well behaved there
sitting in because I know she's dying to chip in.
The last time, I think I caught up with our
next panelist, she was sort of how would we just
describe her obnoxiously in love and freshly engaged? Broadcaster and
journalist Wilhelmina Shrimpton, Good morning, Sorry.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Still still obnoxiously in love and engaged or the other
way around.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
Oh that's nice that you seid age before beauty, But Kyle,
it was just you've bring in the beauty to the table.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Thank you. Fresh yeah, yeah, freshly shave, fresh star for summer,
got a look good for Radioti.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Actually funny now, I was watching well, I mean I
was watching a little bit of England and Ireland.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Ah, you watched him. I did too.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
It changes my whole perspective though, because I'm watching it,
I'm thinking, all good tackle, go Ben Ben O'Keefe.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
You know the way that I watch those games, it's
literally just me watching him run around the field. I'm like, oh, yeah,
there he is. There is It's worse when I'm in
the when I'm actually in the stadium and I don't
think he does. He does, he does see me. He's
been like, I've been quite distracted.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
What about when there's a what about then when there's
a video ref moment and he's trying to describe decide
whether it's a try, does he look up at you
and you go, no, no, it's not.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
I can't say I have that much sway, But hey,
put your request. I don't know how far it'll go, though.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
I hate good to see you guys. Did you have
you had a nice summer week? Carl, You and I
were just talking before we went on here.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
You went up north Yeah, far North Cable bay Keeper's Beach.
Gorgeous part it is, isn't it That.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Little lagoon as a swimming beach. It's tied. It doesn't
matter whether it's lower high Tike just slopes away, so
consistently going there at low time.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
And Cooper's Beach has all those beautiful Berhoda cars that
hang over the back of the beach, so there's always
a bit of show.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
It's lovely, isn't it. Well? Did you have a nice summer?
Speaker 4 (05:12):
I did? I actually went international and went to Thailand
three days in Perquette six days in kosm we I.
It was the first time I've been. I have never
seen water so crystal clear. I went to the beach
where the beach was filmed. It was amazing. It was
just a phenomenal love it way more than Barley. You've
got beaches and all the restaurants and everything was Balley's
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just a bit the beaches, Yuki.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
So you're showing your generational difference to me because there
are beaches in Thailand where the James Bond Islands I
think are in Oh yeah, I think really, I think
it's from gold Man with the Golden Gun or something.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Because there's all these tours.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
You are it's where the beach was filmed. Excuse me,
it's where Jane's Bond was shot.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
Well, there's two tours. It's like the Beach Tour and
then the James Bond Thailand Tour. And we picked the
beach one, did you and we watched the beach while
we were over there, so it was kind of yeah, good,
a little tragic.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
I mean, be there Bond for Scionado, I am?
Speaker 2 (06:10):
I am? Yes. Well, actually, because you've invited me to
a party I can't do on the March first because
I'm I've got my bond constant Hamilton.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
I know, I'm devastated our engagement party.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
I know, so sad to well, you know what, thank
you for. I've just got other things to do.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
If you've got the Eston, you could probably get back
from Hamilton pretty quickly. They couldn't.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Yah, don't come after the Toyota Florin anyway. Hey look,
white tongue. He has done and dusted. Guys. Look, let's
not I don't want to get overly political about whether
we love or you know, like white tangy day. What
it means is a national I think there's been lots
of opinions about that, but I would say that I
think the encounter that I enjoyed the most was Guy
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Williams and David Seymour butting heads. What did you make
of it, Carl?
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Oh, Look, I thought it was hilarious. Really, I mean,
it's kind of It's kind of nice to break the
break the monotony of political interviews sometimes, isn't it. I mean,
Guy probably went a bit over the top, but I
know there's lots of people applauding him for actually giving
David a bit of sticker. I mean, I think he
was probably pretty lucky not to get it by an
Eron Dildell up there, so I thought we were.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
I'm sorry it was changing topics, of course, but that
was that was seven Joyce?
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Was it great great moments in great moments?
Speaker 4 (07:20):
Here was it again?
Speaker 3 (07:22):
It was Steven Joyce. So it was John Key government,
so yeah, good fifteen.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Years ago, long ago. Yeah, I remember that he did
encounter as something of a dickhead Guy Williams. I thought that.
Actually I did genuinely laugh at the encounter, not because
I thought Guy Williams was funny, but the moment that
I really did, like, as you're watching in real time
and when he turns to Sam Wilson and goes anyway,
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Simon Wilson, Oh gosh, it's got bad, isn't it. I'm
turning to Simon Wilson for a question.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
I did think especially, I thought the much funnier moment
was when David was speaking on the on the out
the front of the meeting house and his guy came
up and wanted and took the microphone away. What made
that funny? Was it how incredibly casual the guy who
came up and took the microp.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Well, it was casually replaced as well, so it was
just back and forth. Yeah, there wasn't a golden moment
for me.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
It never cracked though, right when you're on stage, just
you just push on, you just keep going.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
So I give him that you've only just caught up
with it encounter between Guy.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
Well, I'd seen all the push navigations and and I
actually properly sit down and watched it. But it is
it is entertaining. I I will give it that. I'd
love to know the duration of the whole media stand
up because I just watched the minute forty back to
back compilation. It seems as though Guy Williams just monopolized
the entire thing, So I hope that wasn't the case
for that entire media standards.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Actually, well, this is the thing. Actually I watched it
because act put a video out and it popped up
on the YouTube feed or something, and it's the full
half hour stand up.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Half an hour.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Actually. The thing that struck me is it's just a
gorgeous afternoon. Everyone's standing there and he's just answering questions
and then Guy Williams does coming off a long time
very hot, and it comes in very hot I'm not
sure you could say reading the room, but I love
the bit in the background they're asking you question about
Mary sovereignty and the Navy band. This is only that
I noticed it started playing Rule Britannia.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
As I was watching it, as well as like, oh
the music of the background is But I.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Thought of anyway, noticing the irony here. Maybe it's the
Navy band having their point. It's like, by hey, let's
bust out ryal Britannia. That'll really roll and but of
course no one.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
The thing is well that I really noticed was that
David Seamoor. I mean, we all knew this, I think
about him, but he has got a bit of sass,
a bit of clap back. I mean take text back
to that. I'm just thinking about the SaaS from the
Dancing with the Stars day when he did the twerk,
and he just I feel like he definitely knows how
to feed into the not so much the entertainment factor,
but you know, the drama.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Yeah, anyway, it was, it was fun and it was
a beautiful day up there. We took away from it
and the sun was shining and yeah, the grass was
I wonder where the birdies is and all that. Yeah,
did you enjoy? Did you enjoy? You ain't anywhere near
White Tangy were No.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
I did go to the to the Treaty grounds while
we were up north, and I hadn' actually been sure
all the new museum and all the new complexes.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Which are apparently it's amazing.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Yeah, but no, I wasn't up there for the day itself.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
But I look.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
I like the theater. I think actually the thing about
is it reflects the reality of where we're at, and
you know, I think everyone gets to have their say,
whether you like what they're saying or not.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Yeah, we were going to go to the White Tangy
Treaty Grounds when we went to Russell, but the weather
was just so appalling that about the day and a
half that we got we decided we go out actually
and see the islands. Otherwise we would have because I've
heard so many good things about it.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
It's always the actual day itself, right, that's the really
beautiful part. It's the days and the lead up that
always come with the drama. So I haven't covered a
White Tongue Day myself, but I remember all of my
colleagues just saying I love the actual day you get
up for the dawn service. You just enjoy food and
have fun, and you know, all the politics and stuff
are kind of out.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Of the way.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Yeah, very much off to the side when you're up there.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Yeah, hey, you've got something in common with David Seymour.
Of course. Oh oh, he's engaged.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Honestly, you just every time I'm on with you that
she's a girl.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
She's even right now, aren't you almost ring in my face?
I don't know. I haven't even asked yet. So long
as it's not March the.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
First, you know, Oh yeah, well, if you're not going,
we just wanted.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
He promised to retire from politics if you've found the
right woman. Yeah, there's a woman's day story a couple.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Of years ago. Really, Oh my god, Well, of.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Course it does the rounds now. Of course everyone goes, hey, David,
he might have changed his mind, would seem so.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Yes, anyway, it's not it's nice. You know he's in
love and is that great? It's nice. I love a
good love story.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Everyone deserves to find love exactly, regardless of which political
party you're in, what your views are on that.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
It's funny. I don't know why I mentioned this, but
for some reason, I found myself. I saw an old
Hugh Grant, a recent Hugh Grant interview where he's watching
some of his old films and commenting on different scenes.
But I decided to go and watch Four Weddings and
a Funeral again. I forgot how many years ago it was.
I'd forgotten most of it.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
I love all the movies from that from that time.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
He's so good sort of stuff. You've got mail that's
Tom Hanks and me, wasn't it?
Speaker 4 (12:04):
But like movie from that same kind of yes, yes, yes, yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Probably not my favorite. But that's not what we're here
for now onto more. Well, they're not so happy. I
guess the unemployment rate hits five point one percent anyway. Look, actually,
the thing is, there's a lot of politics going on
with this, and there always is. But to me, with
the unemployment rate, it's generally a result of the reserve
banks policy, isn't it. They've rose. They dropped the cash
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rates so quickly and for so long that they had
to sort of do something to get on top of it,
and generating some unemployment was part of it. But it's
not great, is it? Five point one percent?
Speaker 4 (12:40):
Car?
Speaker 2 (12:40):
What do you reckon?
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Yeah, it's not. And I think it's always really important
to remember there's you know, real people and real families
behind this. I mean, I think the sad thing is
when you know, you sort of see the numbers, and
you know, the places like the Retirement Commission trot out
the numbers in terms of much how much saving people
have got. Most people in New Zealand are only sort
of a few weeks or a month away from actually
being on the breadline if they lost their job. So
I hope they're getting the help that they need and
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getting supported to find their way back into the work.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
You've touched on something actually that kind of grinds my
gears about the language of economics. When not well, it's
usually the Reserve Bank governor or something. We'll say, oh,
we're going to do this, well, there will be a
little bit of pain out there, and it makes it
sound like you've got a sprained thumb. It's like, oh,
but for pain for many people is losing their jobs
and massive financial insecurity about paying the mortgage. And it's
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bloody horrendous, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
Well, I totally agree with you. But their job is
to deal with the numbers, right Their job is not
to counsel people through it, even though I have so
much empathy. I've lost multiple jobs myself. But obviously their
job is to think about the wider picture in the
economy as a whole. Yes, the thing is is this
obviously to be expected, and the thing that's sad is
that it's only going to get worse because there's always
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a lag from when the OCR is up high and
then it's cut down. It takes a while for the
effect actually come through because everyone's got to wait to
refix their mortgages. So the next time that these figures
come out, I think they are expecting it to go
up to five point five percent. But the number that
I find really interesting as well as actually scrolling down
those stats and Z releases and looking at it all
the data and looking at the participation rate, so looking
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at the number of people who actually participate in the
workforce and so the ones that decide to leave the workforce,
and it's that effect of going actually, I've given up.
There's not enough jobs out there, so I'm either going
to a retire or b I'm going to go back
to study. That number went up, so I think it
was up eleven thousand more people were no longer counted
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as unemployed, they were not participating in the workforce.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Wet figure. What's your reaction to that figure?
Speaker 4 (14:39):
Is it just well, it's it's it's the participation rate
I think is lower than what it was last quarter.
So less and less sorry, more and more people sorry,
less and les people losing heart people hundred percent. And
I know they've been interviews with with HR specialists and
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seeking you know, all those types of jolalisting websites that
are sort of saying people are really disheartened, hiding the
problem in Yeah, they've put in hundreds of job applications
and they're going, I'm not hearing anything back. I'm not
getting interviews. Why didn't I go back and study or oh,
I'm close to retirement age, why don't I just call
it now? Because it's just not worth it. I'm probably
not going to get a job anyway. And that affects that.
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So if they had actually been participating in the workforce,
that number would probably be far higher.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Could you afford to retire? Do you think will you
be able to afford to retire at the age of
sixty five? Car?
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Yeah? Probably, But I was also lucky enough to buy
a house in two thousand and two.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
In Auckland, back when new lash job.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Still the pricesses seem absurd when you look back at well,
the prices we were looking at back then. But yeah,
I think so. But it's tricky, Tim, And I mean
the thing is, I also feel fortunate because you know,
my job is one of those ones I can probably
do gradually part time into retirement. So I'm not sure
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that actually just stopping work is something that I will.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
So even if you lose your mental faculties, if you
just sit there with your lips purse looking thoughtful.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
You're fine.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
They're not just look wise.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
I feel like you look pretty wise already. What was
the figure? I saw notification pop up today and I
think it was an opinion piece and it was like,
do we really need one point four to five million
dollars to comfortably retire? And that's the figure, right, it's
and for people round number isn't. Yeah, I mean, I'm
obviously further away from retirement age then then both of you,
not by.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Far, obviously, what an outrageous presumption.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
I obviously know, Oh yeah, yeah, that's what I mean. Obviously,
not by your lot because you're very youthful obviously. But
my fear is getting to the retirement eight and there's
there's going to be no pension, and it is solely
reliant on how much I built up in my kiwisaber,
which I've drained recently for you know, house pits and things.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
So it's it's well, there's the people I feel sorry for.
Is it when you know, when you start your working
life knowing you can rely on the soup, but then
that gradually drains away over life and you actually haven't
had the opportunity to make plans.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
And the supersup is actually not even that good.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
No, it's actually almost impossible to live on Serna in Aukland.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Well, on that happy note, we're going to go have
a cup of tea and a lie down and we'll
be back in just a moment. This is the Weekend
Collector of the panel. I'm Tim Beverage. My guests the
Wilhelmina Shrimpton and car McDonald. It is twenty four past three.
Back in the take fine.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
Because you.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Fin yes, welcome back to the Weekend Collective. This is
the panel. By the way, if you think that the
musical choices of my show are reflection of my musical taste.
Well they're sort of over lap sometimes, but they are
actually a reflection I think of more of my producer,
Tire Roberts with two bees her taste, and which is
remarkable given that she's I think she's probably the younger
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side of twenty five. I can't remember, actually, but anyway,
yes she is. She's looking at me going, yes, I am,
you're idiot. Anyway. My panelists are Wilhelmina Shrimpton and Carle MacDonald. Hey, guys,
another police officer hit after a vehicle was driven at
a patrol car in a Huntley. And I do wonder
if I don't know what's going on, but it does
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feel like the police. I don't want to say they're fair.
You know that too many people see these things as
fair game. And of course we remember the tragic death
of Lynn Fleming. But I don't know. I don't really
know what to say about this, but it's just I
wonder if we do need to have fences that specifically
catered for having a crack at police that frightened the
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frightened the Jesus out of people from doing stupid things.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
What do you think, Kyle, I think if we go
back about a year, when you think about the ram raids,
I think that one of the things is also a
bit of a copycait effect that tends to happen right
once something's happened, then other people sort of get a
bit of an idea in the head. But I agree
it's awfully tragic. I mean, we need the police to
be safe out there. I'm not sure that stronger sentences
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actually work as a deterrent in the moment, but I
take your point.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Yeah, and we can't exactly go all El Salvador on it. No,
that would instantly change the topics. Will Amana, what do
you reckon?
Speaker 4 (19:28):
I can't imagine how those on the frontline feel at
the moment. Imagine going to work every day seeing what's
happening to some of your colleagues and imagining that that
could happen to you. And I mean this has been
happening for a number of years as well. I remember
doing a piece around the decline of street safety in
some of our major CBDs, particularly Auckland after the COVID pandemic,
and how the demographics changed, and I remember interviewing this
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police officer when I was doing a ride along and
he's like, a lot of us are really fairfoot. We
don't know what's happening. We don't know what's coming around
the corner. Same thing when I did a piece on
ram raids, and I think there is a real lack
of fear, fear of consequences and also fear of dealing
with police people who are committing these crimes and who
are actually doing these brazen acts, right you know, older,
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older offenders right down to young offenders. And again I'm
drawing on some of these interviews that did a few
years ago, but it did a piece on ram raids
and I remember speaking to I think he must have
been a twelve year old ram raider and he said,
I'm actually not afraid of police. He's like, I'm afraid
of the dogs because they can rip a limb off
or bite you or rip your face off, and I'm
afraid of yj our youth justice facility. But now I'm
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not afraid of police. And I think there's a real
lack of that fear of the immediate consequences person to person.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Ah is that because why would why would they not
be afraid of police? Is it because there are no
consequences experience that make them think they need to worry
about it. They're more worried about a police dog, which,
as he said, could I don't know.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
Well, they're not They're not armed, right, they tasers, they
don't want to get tasers. They're not armed. They're not
going to get shot really unless they are armed themselves.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
So oh well, anyway, hopefully there's not another tragedy just
around it.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Want to know what the police would think they would
need to be more safe. Yeah, I don't think it's
as simple as just arming them, but they'd probably have
some ideas themselves.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
To just quickly on the on the health. Seeing Marjorie
Appa has resigned, it's not the sort of thing that
calls for a lot of opinion on that. But I
don't think it's particularly surprising that now there's a new
minister with Simi and Brown, she's only got four months
to go in a contract. I think the question that
comes out of it, who would want the job of
being theous, isn't it? Well, it's just it's an endless,
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endless challenge for anyone, no matter what political party you are,
you are what who's the Minister, because we're never going
to have the resources we need for a flawless health system,
are we that? Because that's just the nature of life.
It's just perpetually understrained, don't you think, Well, Amina, it's a.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
Very it would be a very thankless role, and you'd
be whatever wins you did have would be outweighed by
the lack of resources, the wait times in emergency rooms,
you know, potential situation for people have died because of
those weight times, because people are so overstretched. I just
feel like it would be a really high pressure situation
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and no matter how many wins you got on the board,
maybe you got two, be outnumbered by the fifteen pieces
of criticism that came out that day. I definitely would
not want to put myself in that role.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
And I don't want to put the rose tinted glasses
on things. But I had a chat with a friend
of mine who was just talking about how when you
are in the health system being cared for, how absolutely
fantastic the care you get from the people is. And
his point was that there are certain departments which seem
to be more understraining. Orthopedics is one. I think there
was a story about carliology. But with once you are
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getting the care that you need, we actually have His
observation from friends and people who knew who were getting
careful was that the health actually does a wonderful job.
It's just that the headlines are unrelentingly negative. And I
don't know what where the truth lies.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
But what do you think, kah Oh, Look, I think
the frustration is, and I mean, you know I spent
a number of years working in HB mental health services,
is that there's this ongoing narrative that you know, I
mean you said it yourself right, that there's never enough,
that you know, But actually the reality is there is
there is actually a finite amount of health need in
the internet. It's not infinite, and it's not as simple
(23:19):
as just throwing more money at the problem. But it
is true that we do underfund health and when we
start to have big debates about things like tax and
how we actually fund these things, we don't connect them
to the services we want. We want to pay less tax,
and we want the health system to work perfectly, and
we want it we want it when we want it. Right,
But yeah, I think you're right. What you what your
friend is describing is that actually, despite being at a
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huge pressure, we still have some wonderful health clinicians in
this country who turn up to work every day and
do a hell of a lot more than is asked
of them. Actually, at the moment, most of the time, I.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Was thinking when us somebody sent me through the stats
on basically just how unhealthy we are in terms of
obesity and stuff like that. Imagine if we were a
much healthier country as well, and we ate and exercised
a bit better as well, how much stress that would
take off the health system. Of course, that's a that's
a long story.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
But that comes back like the preventative thing, the ambulance
at the bottom of the cliff versus. But I think
I feel like a lot of the issues come from
a departmental level, and like you say, the frontline people
are great, and the same thing goes at ordering a tambadeki.
You know, a lot of social workers on the front
line are really great, but there's so many issues higher
up the management chain which make it really hard for
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them to do their job, even though they are often
doing a really great job for families in need.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Hey, the Cook Islands story with Mark Brown looking like
he's about to do some deal with China and things,
and he's he's made some strange claims that somehow the
financial equation is that the Cook Islands provides a billion
dollars of value to New Zealand and gets sixty million
in return, which Winston Peters said sounded fairly extraordinary. I must.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
One.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Barbara Drivea did a great job on this on One News,
by the way, but it does seem that the Cook
Island's people themselves are not particularly enamored with what Mark
Brown's up to and didn't really know about it much
at all. Are you concerned about the sort of stuff
with China buying its influence in the South Pacific and
politicians willing to play ball on that front?
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Car what's already happening. I mean, I've spent a little
bit of time in the Cork Islands over the years.
In fact, we're going back there this year. We were
there a couple of years ago, and there's this gorgeous
new piece of it stands out because the roads and
Ravatong are the roads essentially one circle road are pretty
run down. Understandably, there's one gorgeous piece of road from
the Ring Road which turns out to be going to
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the power station brand new taur seal and as I
understand it funded by the Chinese, so there's already support coming.
And I think one of the questions in New Zealand
at has to ask itself is why the Cork Island's
actually needing more support, probably because they feel like they're
not getting enough from us as well.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Then again, I mean, you can never compete with the
checkbook of China, can you, Because if they want to
exert more influence and buy more influence, they're always going
to have a bigger checkbook than us, aren't they.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
Wasn't it the case, like what we were saying before,
there's always going to be a need for something. They
will be enough resource And I don't know, I feel
like the relationship that we have with the Cook Islands
is really important, and like any relationship, right, any friendship,
you don't like it when someone goes behind your back
and isn't transparent and open and honest with what you're doing,
particularly if there's a formal agreement on the table where
they have to let us know what they're doing. And
(26:23):
I think there's some concern, particularly around the fact that
they're not really being very forthcoming with what is in
the supposed deal, even though they've ruled out it's got
nothing to do with security. It's concerning seeing what's happening
with the Solomon Islands there. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
I just.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
Is there some underlying tension going on. There was an
issue around passportssports and passports. They did they did, but
it's because I.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Think he has to remain Prime Minister, probably because I
imagine that would be incredibly unpopular if suddenly people had
to choose, well, what are you going to have in
New Zealand passport or Cook Island's one. If that limits
the access that Cook Island is after New Zealand. I
actually I think the next chapter in this is going
to be the reaction of the public in the Cook
Islands to what. They don't know much about it.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
And they are very proud. I mean, one of the
things that's still very much the case is that you
can't actually buy land in the Cook Islands. It has
to be held by citizens of the Cook Islands. So
they'll put grant you leases to operate businesses and so forth.
But it's still very much a proud notion.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
It seems like a big enough thing that they should
be seeking some kind of opinion from the public, you know,
a referendum or some sorts to try and decide. But
I did wander that when I read that is.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
What do the people actually know? Yeah, I think that
there's going to be a lot more to come in
this story. So we'll keep an eye on it, and
we'll keep an eye on it for you. Of course,
we'll be back. We've got lots more to talk about.
I think the next topic just to change it a bit,
because it's been we've had some fairly heavy topics and
the next one on the slate it was even heavier.
So I think we're going to switch it up and
going to have a chat about what we thought about
the Grammys and that outfit of Connie West partner whose
(28:01):
name for some unsurprisingly I can't remember. I just remember
the outfit or the lack of it, and the Grammys
in general, and we'll be taking we'll be having a
bit more chat about that. And just to set this
is the panel on the Weekend Collective. It's twenty two
minutes to four. Oh yes, welcome back to the show.
(28:33):
A little bit of Bruce to ease us into it,
again Carle McDonald and Willielm and Shrimpton. I guess I'm
Tom Beverage on the Weekend Collective. This is the panel now, guys,
I mean it's a few days ago. But the Grammys
I couldn't tell you. I could tell you of who
won a couple of awards. I think Sabrina Carpenter and
Beyonce got awards. But of course one of the one
of the talking points was Carne West turning up with
(28:53):
his wife with Biancha Sensory basically naked. I think she
was wearing us a dress that was made of stocking
material and pante hoose pantyhose pants what they're called, right,
is it? I don't know.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
I thought I was what's the nude the nude colored?
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Yes, it did look like that, and I just looked
at you know, I just sort of thought, I'm so
over this. I don't know, I'm over the Kanye West nonsense.
But this the red carpet thing of celebrities turning up
and what outfit are you wearing? In the endless pouting
and parading? And I thought, you know what, I thought,
I thought, you know what, The Grammys need to be
hosted by Ricky Gervais. Just get Ricky out there to
(29:39):
put them in their place and tell us how utterly
irrelevant they all are. They need to get over themselves,
come up except your award and f off, which is
pretty much actually what he did say at the last
Golden Globes what do you reckon?
Speaker 3 (29:50):
Call? I actually have felt a bit sorry for some
of the artists who were actually there for the right reason,
and and Wana Woods because I sort of overshadded it,
didn't it really? I mean, I think it was probably
the point. I mean, I think it's a bit sad
what's happened to Kanye. I mean I was actually quite
a fan of some of early stuff. But he really
has lost the plot.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Isn't he?
Speaker 3 (30:08):
And then it's all attention grabbing stuff.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Well, I still remember when he got up and made
a dick of himself with the Taylor once she won
got it and he says, oh, you know, I don't know,
he's always been a dickhead. Yeah he really had sorry
technical expression. Actually, I think that's one.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
It's a clinical it's a clinical talk.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
He's more and more gone off the rails. And my
guilty pleasure is watching Justugh cuff a little bit of
keeping up the Kardashians and it's my guilty pleasure. And
it almost it seemed like he was in an emotionally
he was emotionally abusing, and the flowid effect that that
had on her was really bad. He was really coercive
(30:46):
and really controlling, and I don't know, you could see
it in his now wife's eyes. And then then there
were was lip breeders.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Trying to work out what he was saying.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
To I googled it just before, and he was saying
things like make a scene. I'll say, it'll make so
much sense. Drop it, like telling her to drop her
coat because she had that big fur coat, I think
on over the top, drop it behind you and then
turn I got you, all right, let's go, like telling her,
ordering her and telling her what to do.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
I think the impression that I got was that, basically
I don't My guess was that it was all his
idea marketing and this is how you're going to turn up.
And she didn't look like someone who was in charge
of her own destiny in a way. I mean, endless
pots don't tell you very much, but.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
All her own body. It's the same thing. Again, I'd
hate to bring it back to Kim, but he basically
told her what to wear, told her what to do,
told her what to say. Yeah, I think he's very controlling.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
I'm sort of yearning for the for the days of
Yesteryear's form sort of glamour where actually it's what you
conceal that's more interesting in what you get out. Isn't
that your That'll be the way you'd go to a
red carpet, wouldn't it.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
You'd be well, absolutely, And I mean I've got a
fourteen year old and eleven year old girl in my house.
So they were much more focused on trying to figure
out the exact meaning of the tea on the thigh
chain of Taylor's leg. I don't know if you called
that story a much more interesting story about the Grammys.
So she was wearing a beautiful red Kansas City Taylor
(32:15):
Swift Swift, and she was wearing a thigh chain with
it which had a tea, a diamond and crusted tea.
And there was debates with the teasted for Taylor or
for Travis, because apparently one of his song lyrics was
right he wrote his name on my upper thigh or something.
It was all sorts of swifty conversations about.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Oh gosh, they're really.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Gorgeous and she was not in a pantyhstries.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
No, no, good, No, I love the red carpet moments.
To be fair, that's probably what I'm I'm a bit
of a fashion goal and which I'm constantly.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
What would you wear to the red carpet if you
were turning out with your man Ben, he'd be in
the fir cope and you would have it drop away
here just.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
Now, I got you, I've got your.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
No.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
I feel like I love a bit of like dramatic,
like big sleeve situation, Like I feel like it would
be bold and kind of like an architectural style. Just yeah,
bougie and diamonds.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Do you agree? Would you like to see Ricky Gervas
e a crack at the Grammys? It'd be a fish
out of water, wouldn't it. He sort of fitted slightly
with the Golden Globes, even if he sort of went
there to sort of not to offend everyone.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
But did he do it twice?
Speaker 2 (33:33):
It would be five times?
Speaker 3 (33:34):
Did they keep having him back?
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Well, the last time was actually five years ago, and
it's one on one of those things on my YouTube
feed where it keeps popping up and I never get tired.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
He really does go there, doesn't he like? Way past
the line?
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Oh the bit where he talks about Judy Dench plopping
herself down on the carpet and pretending to be a cat.
I won't even go on and say what it was,
because I don't know. I just get the sense that
the ZB audience might not be quite primed for their line.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
Especially in this day and age, the delicate dance have
still been able to be funny and take the piss
and but not overly offend anyone in this day and
age that we live in. It's quite a skill, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
It is?
Speaker 4 (34:10):
I feel broke. Don't fix it, bring him back exactly.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
I'll tell you what. We might just take a quick
break and come back. And second, it's twelve and a
half minutes to form. My panelists Wilhelmina Shrimpton and Carl McDonald.
This is News Talk, said B twelve to four. Welcome
(34:44):
back to news Talks. There's a weekend collective. Hey, well,
this is a Grammy Award winner here, isn't it, Serena Carpenter.
I don't know that because I knew it off just
myself and somebody had to tell me. My panelists are
car McDonald and Wilhelmina Shrimpton.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
Hey, I love this.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
I was quite interesting intrigued with the story. In the UK,
families are getting fined for taking their kids out of
school to go well, for instance, to go skiing because
the holidays are so short, and there's a record four
hundred and forty three thousand school holiday fines issued in
England last year for people taking the kids out of school,
and I I wonder if i'd be one of them.
(35:23):
Would I don't do it now because my wife's a teacher,
But if we thought we wanted an extra week somewhere
because we're going to go overseas, because if you go
from New Zealand to Europe, maybe you won't want an
extra week. Would you take your kids out of school
for an edifying sort of holiday in Europe Austria, Germany, France, whatever,
planning to oh naughty boy?
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Actually, I mean I think some boy. There's a slightly
more nuanced dancer, which is my eldest is at high
school now, so we're a bit more careful because there
is some attendance requirements for INCA and so on. But
I think at primary school you learn more from being
on a trip than you do from a week at school.
I also think that if you are quite apart from
the feed of how much you get pained for actually
(36:03):
trying to fly during school holidays by all of the airlines.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
That is one of my absolute bug bears is that
you know, it's not only expensive to have kids, but unfortunately,
because of the way the holidays work, everyone pings you
more because you've got a family. It's a tax. It's
a tax on a tax. Basically Air New Zealand, quantas whoever,
they all charge more on the school holidays. Same with Airbnb.
Everyone screws families.
Speaker 4 (36:27):
Basically, you're very passionate about this. You've definitely overpaid on
a trip, haven't you.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Well, look, you plan for it, I guess, don't you.
But I would take them out of school, and if
I had to pay a fine for it, I probably
would still do it.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
But I'd probably be less in the difference in the airfares, Yes,
it would.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
I think it would be cheaper.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
What about you, Wills, I sit here obviously I don't
have kids, but and I sit here going I probably
wouldn't take them out, but when the time came, I'm
sure that I actually would. But I was one of
those really weirdly annoying students at school that had the
perfect attendance record. I was that girl. I was that girl,
and I prided myself on the fact that I didn't
take a single sick day a whole duration of high school.
(37:06):
And I actually saw that there was a news story
about some girl and I can't remember where it was,
and one of the regions who hadn't taken a single
day off, And I was like, oh, I didn't get
a blooming yarn.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Were you one of the cool kids as well? Because
did you manage to combine one hundred percent attendants record?
Speaker 4 (37:24):
I was head girl?
Speaker 2 (37:25):
Ah? Really?
Speaker 4 (37:28):
I liked that well, I know I definitely wasn't Which
school was this North Kirk College.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Quirt College, North Kirk College head girl, will the man
of Shrimpton. I need to build that into your introduction.
I think she's former head girl.
Speaker 4 (37:39):
I should add to my email signature. People need to know.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
You should still got on your LinkedIn profile former head girl.
I reckon Actually there, I'm going to go check it out.
Were you were you a prefectorial in the operational ones
of your school, so herarchy.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
I was the student rap on the board of trustees.
Speaker 4 (37:55):
Nice, that is feel elected as well?
Speaker 3 (37:59):
Yes, there was an elected position into the pnogrammar in
nineteen ninety three. That is that is super nerdy though
I'm our chair of my kids school board, so that's
even thanks the circle, well done, look at you.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Well, hell beats the hell out of standing for parliament
or something, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
I certainly didn't have one hundred percent attendance record, I
think at one point to figure out what the minimum
number of classes I needed to go to to pass
things was.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
So you know you, well, did you get degrees? Yeah,
it's not the first time I've heard that on the show.
I think good or through that line at me, I
see in economics seas get degrees. I said, did you
go to a Tiger university or something? Because yes I did. Hey,
Peak coffee days, Peak coffee Day Thursday for you, Peak
coffe Day for Auckland CBD has been revealed. Apparently it's
(38:43):
Thursday between eleven am and twelve pm. Isn't that an
interesting Why would it be eleven a late morning Thursday?
Is just getting towards the end of the week. God,
I need a coffee.
Speaker 4 (38:53):
People probably have coffees at home, lots of people having
espressos and all those types of things. So they have
one home and they get up and then they get
into town. They have their first couple of meetings, a
little whip meeting in the morning, and they're like, oh,
I have a little break and go out and get one.
But to be honest, it's be fair coffee days every day.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
But no, that's what it says. It says Monday and
Tuesdays are quieter, Wednesdays and Fridays weren't far behind. But
it's Thursday. Are people working from home Monday Tuesday and
they've finally got a guar into the office home street.
Speaker 4 (39:21):
You're at the end of the week, you're feeling tired,
you're feeling run down. You've got to get that caffeine.
Both just put an ivy in.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
You know how many how many coffees a day you
are Wilhemina, do you know what?
Speaker 4 (39:30):
I've actually just started drinking decaf as of about a
month and a half ago, just because it gives me
really bad anxiety. Sometimes what decaf does no like coffee.
So I've actually I'm cutting caffeine at the moment.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Do you notice the difference? Yes, when taste?
Speaker 4 (39:47):
No, okay, no, can I have a little on the
spress at hes.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
I have a boogie machine at home, so I have
two blong blacks before I leave the house.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
What's a bougie machine like I've got machine? Oh okay,
Well that's good because if you ever invite me around
for coffee, I will accept because you should until you
can tell me you've got a boogie machine. The invitation
for coffee is just not happening.
Speaker 4 (40:06):
Coffee art as well as you need to practice.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
Yeah, no, I'm too far. I'm far too gone in
the morning.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
That music secue. We got to wrap it up.
Speaker 4 (40:14):
What a tree? What?
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (40:16):
You too?
Speaker 1 (40:17):
Thanks.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
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Welcome to the Weekend Collective the Saturday, the eighth of February.
I just had to let the boss roll on for
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you resist it? So you apologize maybe in eight bars
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of the Bruce Springsteen? We could turn that into a
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respected panelists. And after four for the one roof radio show,
we've got Debi Roberts from the property Apprendice, and we're
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going to talk about landlords and tenants and how landlords
are five times more likely to take tenants to the
tribunal than the other way around, and what are the
ways to avoid this, what are the best ways to
preserve good relationships with either your landlord or, depending on
which side you're on, your tenants. And also we might
have a look at a few rules about choosing your
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first investment property as well. After five with the Parents
Squad with Katherin Burkeertt, who's actually going to be with
us in the studio for the first time actually because
we're normally down the line having a chat about neuro divergency.
Because I think if your parents once to look at
their child and think, well, there's a little quirk here,
a little quirk there, but when should you actually seek
a little bit more advice about your child if you're
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concerned about where they sit on the neuro divergence spectrum. Gosh,
I had a bit of a trouble saying to that. Anyway,
Welcome to the Weekend Collective. It is nine minutes past
three and time to introduce our panel. And again last
week it was aged before beauty, and I think we're
going to go age before beauty now. I think it's
a bold call. He's gritting his teeth. He's like, oh,
(02:51):
I'm first am I he's known as psychotherapist. He's a
resident psychologist. Should I say on the Nutters Club? And
it is Carl McDonald, Oi, Kyle, how are you?
Speaker 3 (03:02):
I'm very well.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Thank you Now as I was saying psycho therapist and
then I said, psychologists, you got it right the first time.
I got it right the first time, not the second time.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
But it's an easy But it starts with psycho, that's right.
I took my dad years to get it right. So
you're fine.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yeah, starts with psycho, ends with psycho. There'd be a
good sort of start with your for a Twitter profile, wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
It, given the way Twitter has gone now, yes, it
would be.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Indeed, Sorry, Tinder was the one. I was thinking about
mixing them up, and she's been very well behaved there
sitting in because I know she's dying to chip in.
The last time, I think I caught up with our
next panelist, she was sort of how would we just
describe her obnoxiously in love and freshly engaged? Broadcaster and
journalist Wilhelmina Shrimpton, Good morning, Sorry.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Still still obnoxiously in love and engaged or the other
way around.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
Oh that's nice that you seid age before beauty, But Kyle,
it was just you've bring in the beauty to the table.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Thank you. Fresh yeah, yeah, freshly shave, fresh star for summer,
got a look good for Radioti.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Actually funny now, I was watching well, I mean I
was watching a little bit of England and Ireland.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Ah, you watched him. I did too.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
It changes my whole perspective though, because I'm watching it,
I'm thinking, all good tackle, go Ben Ben O'Keefe.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
You know the way that I watch those games, it's
literally just me watching him run around the field. I'm like, oh, yeah,
there he is. There is It's worse when I'm in
the when I'm actually in the stadium and I don't
think he does. He does, he does see me. He's
been like, I've been quite distracted.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
What about when there's a what about then when there's
a video ref moment and he's trying to describe decide
whether it's a try, does he look up at you
and you go, no, no, it's not.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
I can't say I have that much sway, But hey,
put your request. I don't know how far it'll go, though.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
I hate good to see you guys. Did you have
you had a nice summer week? Carl, You and I
were just talking before we went on here.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
You went up north Yeah, far North Cable bay Keeper's Beach.
Gorgeous part it is, isn't it That.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Little lagoon as a swimming beach. It's tied. It doesn't
matter whether it's lower high Tike just slopes away, so
consistently going there at low time.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
And Cooper's Beach has all those beautiful Berhoda cars that
hang over the back of the beach, so there's always
a bit of show.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
It's lovely, isn't it. Well? Did you have a nice summer?
Speaker 4 (05:12):
I did? I actually went international and went to Thailand
three days in Perquette six days in kosm we I.
It was the first time I've been. I have never
seen water so crystal clear. I went to the beach
where the beach was filmed. It was amazing. It was
just a phenomenal love it way more than Barley. You've
got beaches and all the restaurants and everything was Balley's
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just a bit the beaches, Yuki.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
So you're showing your generational difference to me because there
are beaches in Thailand where the James Bond Islands I
think are in Oh yeah, I think really, I think
it's from gold Man with the Golden Gun or something.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Because there's all these tours.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
You are it's where the beach was filmed. Excuse me,
it's where Jane's Bond was shot.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
Well, there's two tours. It's like the Beach Tour and
then the James Bond Thailand Tour. And we picked the
beach one, did you and we watched the beach while
we were over there, so it was kind of yeah, good,
a little tragic.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
I mean, be there Bond for Scionado, I am?
Speaker 2 (06:10):
I am? Yes. Well, actually, because you've invited me to
a party I can't do on the March first because
I'm I've got my bond constant Hamilton.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
I know, I'm devastated our engagement party.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
I know, so sad to well, you know what, thank
you for. I've just got other things to do.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
If you've got the Eston, you could probably get back
from Hamilton pretty quickly. They couldn't.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Yah, don't come after the Toyota Florin anyway. Hey look,
white tongue. He has done and dusted. Guys. Look, let's
not I don't want to get overly political about whether
we love or you know, like white tangy day. What
it means is a national I think there's been lots
of opinions about that, but I would say that I
think the encounter that I enjoyed the most was Guy
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Williams and David Seymour butting heads. What did you make
of it, Carl?
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Oh, Look, I thought it was hilarious. Really, I mean,
it's kind of It's kind of nice to break the
break the monotony of political interviews sometimes, isn't it. I mean,
Guy probably went a bit over the top, but I
know there's lots of people applauding him for actually giving
David a bit of sticker. I mean, I think he
was probably pretty lucky not to get it by an
Eron Dildell up there, so I thought we were.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
I'm sorry it was changing topics, of course, but that
was that was seven Joyce?
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Was it great great moments in great moments?
Speaker 4 (07:20):
Here was it again?
Speaker 3 (07:22):
It was Steven Joyce. So it was John Key government,
so yeah, good fifteen.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Years ago, long ago. Yeah, I remember that he did
encounter as something of a dickhead Guy Williams. I thought that.
Actually I did genuinely laugh at the encounter, not because
I thought Guy Williams was funny, but the moment that
I really did, like, as you're watching in real time
and when he turns to Sam Wilson and goes anyway,
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Simon Wilson, Oh gosh, it's got bad, isn't it. I'm
turning to Simon Wilson for a question.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
I did think especially, I thought the much funnier moment
was when David was speaking on the on the out
the front of the meeting house and his guy came
up and wanted and took the microphone away. What made
that funny? Was it how incredibly casual the guy who
came up and took the microp.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Well, it was casually replaced as well, so it was
just back and forth. Yeah, there wasn't a golden moment
for me.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
It never cracked though, right when you're on stage, just
you just push on, you just keep going.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
So I give him that you've only just caught up
with it encounter between Guy.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
Well, I'd seen all the push navigations and and I
actually properly sit down and watched it. But it is
it is entertaining. I I will give it that. I'd
love to know the duration of the whole media stand
up because I just watched the minute forty back to
back compilation. It seems as though Guy Williams just monopolized
the entire thing, So I hope that wasn't the case
for that entire media standards.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Actually, well, this is the thing. Actually I watched it
because act put a video out and it popped up
on the YouTube feed or something, and it's the full
half hour stand up.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Half an hour.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Actually. The thing that struck me is it's just a
gorgeous afternoon. Everyone's standing there and he's just answering questions
and then Guy Williams does coming off a long time
very hot, and it comes in very hot I'm not
sure you could say reading the room, but I love
the bit in the background they're asking you question about
Mary sovereignty and the Navy band. This is only that
I noticed it started playing Rule Britannia.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
As I was watching it, as well as like, oh
the music of the background is But I.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Thought of anyway, noticing the irony here. Maybe it's the
Navy band having their point. It's like, by hey, let's
bust out ryal Britannia. That'll really roll and but of
course no one.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
The thing is well that I really noticed was that
David Seamoor. I mean, we all knew this, I think
about him, but he has got a bit of sass,
a bit of clap back. I mean take text back
to that. I'm just thinking about the SaaS from the
Dancing with the Stars day when he did the twerk,
and he just I feel like he definitely knows how
to feed into the not so much the entertainment factor,
but you know, the drama.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Yeah, anyway, it was, it was fun and it was
a beautiful day up there. We took away from it
and the sun was shining and yeah, the grass was
I wonder where the birdies is and all that. Yeah,
did you enjoy? Did you enjoy? You ain't anywhere near
White Tangy were No.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
I did go to the to the Treaty grounds while
we were up north, and I hadn' actually been sure
all the new museum and all the new complexes.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Which are apparently it's amazing.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Yeah, but no, I wasn't up there for the day itself.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
But I look.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
I like the theater. I think actually the thing about
is it reflects the reality of where we're at, and
you know, I think everyone gets to have their say,
whether you like what they're saying or not.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Yeah, we were going to go to the White Tangy
Treaty Grounds when we went to Russell, but the weather
was just so appalling that about the day and a
half that we got we decided we go out actually
and see the islands. Otherwise we would have because I've
heard so many good things about it.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
It's always the actual day itself, right, that's the really
beautiful part. It's the days and the lead up that
always come with the drama. So I haven't covered a
White Tongue Day myself, but I remember all of my
colleagues just saying I love the actual day you get
up for the dawn service. You just enjoy food and
have fun, and you know, all the politics and stuff
are kind of out.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Of the way.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Yeah, very much off to the side when you're up there.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Yeah, hey, you've got something in common with David Seymour.
Of course. Oh oh, he's engaged.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Honestly, you just every time I'm on with you that
she's a girl.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
She's even right now, aren't you almost ring in my face?
I don't know. I haven't even asked yet. So long
as it's not March the.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
First, you know, Oh yeah, well, if you're not going,
we just wanted.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
He promised to retire from politics if you've found the
right woman. Yeah, there's a woman's day story a couple.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Of years ago. Really, Oh my god, Well, of.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Course it does the rounds now. Of course everyone goes, hey, David,
he might have changed his mind, would seem so.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Yes, anyway, it's not it's nice. You know he's in
love and is that great? It's nice. I love a
good love story.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Everyone deserves to find love exactly, regardless of which political
party you're in, what your views are on that.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
It's funny. I don't know why I mentioned this, but
for some reason, I found myself. I saw an old
Hugh Grant, a recent Hugh Grant interview where he's watching
some of his old films and commenting on different scenes.
But I decided to go and watch Four Weddings and
a Funeral again. I forgot how many years ago it was.
I'd forgotten most of it.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
I love all the movies from that from that time.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
He's so good sort of stuff. You've got mail that's
Tom Hanks and me, wasn't it?
Speaker 4 (12:04):
But like movie from that same kind of yes, yes, yes, yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Probably not my favorite. But that's not what we're here
for now onto more. Well, they're not so happy. I
guess the unemployment rate hits five point one percent anyway. Look, actually,
the thing is, there's a lot of politics going on
with this, and there always is. But to me, with
the unemployment rate, it's generally a result of the reserve
banks policy, isn't it. They've rose. They dropped the cash
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rates so quickly and for so long that they had
to sort of do something to get on top of it,
and generating some unemployment was part of it. But it's
not great, is it? Five point one percent?
Speaker 4 (12:40):
Car?
Speaker 2 (12:40):
What do you reckon?
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Yeah, it's not. And I think it's always really important
to remember there's you know, real people and real families
behind this. I mean, I think the sad thing is
when you know, you sort of see the numbers, and
you know, the places like the Retirement Commission trot out
the numbers in terms of much how much saving people
have got. Most people in New Zealand are only sort
of a few weeks or a month away from actually
being on the breadline if they lost their job. So
I hope they're getting the help that they need and
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getting supported to find their way back into the work.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
You've touched on something actually that kind of grinds my
gears about the language of economics. When not well, it's
usually the Reserve Bank governor or something. We'll say, oh,
we're going to do this, well, there will be a
little bit of pain out there, and it makes it
sound like you've got a sprained thumb. It's like, oh,
but for pain for many people is losing their jobs
and massive financial insecurity about paying the mortgage. And it's
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bloody horrendous, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
Well, I totally agree with you. But their job is
to deal with the numbers, right Their job is not
to counsel people through it, even though I have so
much empathy. I've lost multiple jobs myself. But obviously their
job is to think about the wider picture in the
economy as a whole. Yes, the thing is is this
obviously to be expected, and the thing that's sad is
that it's only going to get worse because there's always
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a lag from when the OCR is up high and
then it's cut down. It takes a while for the
effect actually come through because everyone's got to wait to
refix their mortgages. So the next time that these figures
come out, I think they are expecting it to go
up to five point five percent. But the number that
I find really interesting as well as actually scrolling down
those stats and Z releases and looking at it all
the data and looking at the participation rate, so looking
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at the number of people who actually participate in the
workforce and so the ones that decide to leave the workforce,
and it's that effect of going actually, I've given up.
There's not enough jobs out there, so I'm either going
to a retire or b I'm going to go back
to study. That number went up, so I think it
was up eleven thousand more people were no longer counted
(14:33):
as unemployed, they were not participating in the workforce.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Wet figure. What's your reaction to that figure?
Speaker 4 (14:39):
Is it just well, it's it's it's the participation rate
I think is lower than what it was last quarter.
So less and less sorry, more and more people sorry,
less and les people losing heart people hundred percent. And
I know they've been interviews with with HR specialists and
(14:59):
seeking you know, all those types of jolalisting websites that
are sort of saying people are really disheartened, hiding the
problem in Yeah, they've put in hundreds of job applications
and they're going, I'm not hearing anything back. I'm not
getting interviews. Why didn't I go back and study or oh,
I'm close to retirement age, why don't I just call
it now? Because it's just not worth it. I'm probably
not going to get a job anyway. And that affects that.
(15:20):
So if they had actually been participating in the workforce,
that number would probably be far higher.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Could you afford to retire? Do you think will you
be able to afford to retire at the age of
sixty five? Car?
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Yeah? Probably, But I was also lucky enough to buy
a house in two thousand and two.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
In Auckland, back when new lash job.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Still the pricesses seem absurd when you look back at well,
the prices we were looking at back then. But yeah,
I think so. But it's tricky, Tim, And I mean
the thing is, I also feel fortunate because you know,
my job is one of those ones I can probably
do gradually part time into retirement. So I'm not sure
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that actually just stopping work is something that I will.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
So even if you lose your mental faculties, if you
just sit there with your lips purse looking thoughtful.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
You're fine.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
They're not just look wise.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
I feel like you look pretty wise already. What was
the figure? I saw notification pop up today and I
think it was an opinion piece and it was like,
do we really need one point four to five million
dollars to comfortably retire? And that's the figure, right, it's
and for people round number isn't. Yeah, I mean, I'm
obviously further away from retirement age then then both of you,
not by.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Far, obviously, what an outrageous presumption.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
I obviously know, Oh yeah, yeah, that's what I mean. Obviously,
not by your lot because you're very youthful obviously. But
my fear is getting to the retirement eight and there's
there's going to be no pension, and it is solely
reliant on how much I built up in my kiwisaber,
which I've drained recently for you know, house pits and things.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
So it's it's well, there's the people I feel sorry for.
Is it when you know, when you start your working
life knowing you can rely on the soup, but then
that gradually drains away over life and you actually haven't
had the opportunity to make plans.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
And the supersup is actually not even that good.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
No, it's actually almost impossible to live on Serna in Aukland.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Well, on that happy note, we're going to go have
a cup of tea and a lie down and we'll
be back in just a moment. This is the Weekend
Collector of the panel. I'm Tim Beverage. My guests the
Wilhelmina Shrimpton and car McDonald. It is twenty four past three.
Back in the take fine.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
Because you.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Fin yes, welcome back to the Weekend Collective. This is
the panel. By the way, if you think that the
musical choices of my show are reflection of my musical taste.
Well they're sort of over lap sometimes, but they are
actually a reflection I think of more of my producer,
Tire Roberts with two bees her taste, and which is
remarkable given that she's I think she's probably the younger
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side of twenty five. I can't remember, actually, but anyway,
yes she is. She's looking at me going, yes, I am,
you're idiot. Anyway. My panelists are Wilhelmina Shrimpton and Carle MacDonald. Hey, guys,
another police officer hit after a vehicle was driven at
a patrol car in a Huntley. And I do wonder
if I don't know what's going on, but it does
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feel like the police. I don't want to say they're fair.
You know that too many people see these things as
fair game. And of course we remember the tragic death
of Lynn Fleming. But I don't know. I don't really
know what to say about this, but it's just I
wonder if we do need to have fences that specifically
catered for having a crack at police that frightened the
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frightened the Jesus out of people from doing stupid things.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
What do you think, Kyle, I think if we go
back about a year, when you think about the ram raids,
I think that one of the things is also a
bit of a copycait effect that tends to happen right
once something's happened, then other people sort of get a
bit of an idea in the head. But I agree
it's awfully tragic. I mean, we need the police to
be safe out there. I'm not sure that stronger sentences
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actually work as a deterrent in the moment, but I
take your point.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Yeah, and we can't exactly go all El Salvador on it. No,
that would instantly change the topics. Will Amana, what do
you reckon?
Speaker 4 (19:28):
I can't imagine how those on the frontline feel at
the moment. Imagine going to work every day seeing what's
happening to some of your colleagues and imagining that that
could happen to you. And I mean this has been
happening for a number of years as well. I remember
doing a piece around the decline of street safety in
some of our major CBDs, particularly Auckland after the COVID pandemic,
and how the demographics changed, and I remember interviewing this
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police officer when I was doing a ride along and
he's like, a lot of us are really fairfoot. We
don't know what's happening. We don't know what's coming around
the corner. Same thing when I did a piece on
ram raids, and I think there is a real lack
of fear, fear of consequences and also fear of dealing
with police people who are committing these crimes and who
are actually doing these brazen acts, right you know, older,
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older offenders right down to young offenders. And again I'm
drawing on some of these interviews that did a few
years ago, but it did a piece on ram raids
and I remember speaking to I think he must have
been a twelve year old ram raider and he said,
I'm actually not afraid of police. He's like, I'm afraid
of the dogs because they can rip a limb off
or bite you or rip your face off, and I'm
afraid of yj our youth justice facility. But now I'm
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not afraid of police. And I think there's a real
lack of that fear of the immediate consequences person to person.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Ah is that because why would why would they not
be afraid of police? Is it because there are no
consequences experience that make them think they need to worry
about it. They're more worried about a police dog, which,
as he said, could I don't know.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
Well, they're not They're not armed, right, they tasers, they
don't want to get tasers. They're not armed. They're not
going to get shot really unless they are armed themselves.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
So oh well, anyway, hopefully there's not another tragedy just
around it.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Want to know what the police would think they would
need to be more safe. Yeah, I don't think it's
as simple as just arming them, but they'd probably have
some ideas themselves.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
To just quickly on the on the health. Seeing Marjorie
Appa has resigned, it's not the sort of thing that
calls for a lot of opinion on that. But I
don't think it's particularly surprising that now there's a new
minister with Simi and Brown, she's only got four months
to go in a contract. I think the question that
comes out of it, who would want the job of
being theous, isn't it? Well, it's just it's an endless,
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endless challenge for anyone, no matter what political party you are,
you are what who's the Minister, because we're never going
to have the resources we need for a flawless health system,
are we that? Because that's just the nature of life.
It's just perpetually understrained, don't you think, Well, Amina, it's a.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
Very it would be a very thankless role, and you'd
be whatever wins you did have would be outweighed by
the lack of resources, the wait times in emergency rooms,
you know, potential situation for people have died because of
those weight times, because people are so overstretched. I just
feel like it would be a really high pressure situation
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and no matter how many wins you got on the board,
maybe you got two, be outnumbered by the fifteen pieces
of criticism that came out that day. I definitely would
not want to put myself in that role.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
And I don't want to put the rose tinted glasses
on things. But I had a chat with a friend
of mine who was just talking about how when you
are in the health system being cared for, how absolutely
fantastic the care you get from the people is. And
his point was that there are certain departments which seem
to be more understraining. Orthopedics is one. I think there
was a story about carliology. But with once you are
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getting the care that you need, we actually have His
observation from friends and people who knew who were getting
careful was that the health actually does a wonderful job.
It's just that the headlines are unrelentingly negative. And I
don't know what where the truth lies.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
But what do you think, kah Oh, Look, I think
the frustration is, and I mean, you know I spent
a number of years working in HB mental health services,
is that there's this ongoing narrative that you know, I
mean you said it yourself right, that there's never enough,
that you know, But actually the reality is there is
there is actually a finite amount of health need in
the internet. It's not infinite, and it's not as simple
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as just throwing more money at the problem. But it
is true that we do underfund health and when we
start to have big debates about things like tax and
how we actually fund these things, we don't connect them
to the services we want. We want to pay less tax,
and we want the health system to work perfectly, and
we want it we want it when we want it. Right,
But yeah, I think you're right. What you what your
friend is describing is that actually, despite being at a
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huge pressure, we still have some wonderful health clinicians in
this country who turn up to work every day and
do a hell of a lot more than is asked
of them. Actually, at the moment, most of the time, I.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Was thinking when us somebody sent me through the stats
on basically just how unhealthy we are in terms of
obesity and stuff like that. Imagine if we were a
much healthier country as well, and we ate and exercised
a bit better as well, how much stress that would
take off the health system. Of course, that's a that's
a long story.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
But that comes back like the preventative thing, the ambulance
at the bottom of the cliff versus. But I think
I feel like a lot of the issues come from
a departmental level, and like you say, the frontline people
are great, and the same thing goes at ordering a tambadeki.
You know, a lot of social workers on the front
line are really great, but there's so many issues higher
up the management chain which make it really hard for
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them to do their job, even though they are often
doing a really great job for families in need.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Hey, the Cook Islands story with Mark Brown looking like
he's about to do some deal with China and things,
and he's he's made some strange claims that somehow the
financial equation is that the Cook Islands provides a billion
dollars of value to New Zealand and gets sixty million
in return, which Winston Peters said sounded fairly extraordinary. I must.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
One.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Barbara Drivea did a great job on this on One News,
by the way, but it does seem that the Cook
Island's people themselves are not particularly enamored with what Mark
Brown's up to and didn't really know about it much
at all. Are you concerned about the sort of stuff
with China buying its influence in the South Pacific and
politicians willing to play ball on that front?
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Car what's already happening. I mean, I've spent a little
bit of time in the Cork Islands over the years.
In fact, we're going back there this year. We were
there a couple of years ago, and there's this gorgeous
new piece of it stands out because the roads and
Ravatong are the roads essentially one circle road are pretty
run down. Understandably, there's one gorgeous piece of road from
the Ring Road which turns out to be going to
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the power station brand new taur seal and as I
understand it funded by the Chinese, so there's already support coming.
And I think one of the questions in New Zealand
at has to ask itself is why the Cork Island's
actually needing more support, probably because they feel like they're
not getting enough from us as well.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Then again, I mean, you can never compete with the
checkbook of China, can you, Because if they want to
exert more influence and buy more influence, they're always going
to have a bigger checkbook than us, aren't they.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
Wasn't it the case, like what we were saying before,
there's always going to be a need for something. They
will be enough resource And I don't know, I feel
like the relationship that we have with the Cook Islands
is really important, and like any relationship, right, any friendship,
you don't like it when someone goes behind your back
and isn't transparent and open and honest with what you're doing,
particularly if there's a formal agreement on the table where
they have to let us know what they're doing. And
(26:23):
I think there's some concern, particularly around the fact that
they're not really being very forthcoming with what is in
the supposed deal, even though they've ruled out it's got
nothing to do with security. It's concerning seeing what's happening
with the Solomon Islands there. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
I just.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
Is there some underlying tension going on. There was an
issue around passportssports and passports. They did they did, but
it's because I.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Think he has to remain Prime Minister, probably because I
imagine that would be incredibly unpopular if suddenly people had
to choose, well, what are you going to have in
New Zealand passport or Cook Island's one. If that limits
the access that Cook Island is after New Zealand. I
actually I think the next chapter in this is going
to be the reaction of the public in the Cook
Islands to what. They don't know much about it.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
And they are very proud. I mean, one of the
things that's still very much the case is that you
can't actually buy land in the Cook Islands. It has
to be held by citizens of the Cook Islands. So
they'll put grant you leases to operate businesses and so forth.
But it's still very much a proud notion.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
It seems like a big enough thing that they should
be seeking some kind of opinion from the public, you know,
a referendum or some sorts to try and decide. But
I did wander that when I read that is.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
What do the people actually know? Yeah, I think that
there's going to be a lot more to come in
this story. So we'll keep an eye on it, and
we'll keep an eye on it for you. Of course,
we'll be back. We've got lots more to talk about.
I think the next topic just to change it a bit,
because it's been we've had some fairly heavy topics and
the next one on the slate it was even heavier.
So I think we're going to switch it up and
going to have a chat about what we thought about
the Grammys and that outfit of Connie West partner whose
(28:01):
name for some unsurprisingly I can't remember. I just remember
the outfit or the lack of it, and the Grammys
in general, and we'll be taking we'll be having a
bit more chat about that. And just to set this
is the panel on the Weekend Collective. It's twenty two
minutes to four. Oh yes, welcome back to the show.
(28:33):
A little bit of Bruce to ease us into it,
again Carle McDonald and Willielm and Shrimpton. I guess I'm
Tom Beverage on the Weekend Collective. This is the panel now, guys,
I mean it's a few days ago. But the Grammys
I couldn't tell you. I could tell you of who
won a couple of awards. I think Sabrina Carpenter and
Beyonce got awards. But of course one of the one
of the talking points was Carne West turning up with
(28:53):
his wife with Biancha Sensory basically naked. I think she
was wearing us a dress that was made of stocking
material and pante hoose pantyhose pants what they're called, right,
is it? I don't know.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
I thought I was what's the nude the nude colored?
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Yes, it did look like that, and I just looked
at you know, I just sort of thought, I'm so
over this. I don't know, I'm over the Kanye West nonsense.
But this the red carpet thing of celebrities turning up
and what outfit are you wearing? In the endless pouting
and parading? And I thought, you know what, I thought,
I thought, you know what, The Grammys need to be
hosted by Ricky Gervais. Just get Ricky out there to
(29:39):
put them in their place and tell us how utterly
irrelevant they all are. They need to get over themselves,
come up except your award and f off, which is
pretty much actually what he did say at the last
Golden Globes what do you reckon?
Speaker 3 (29:50):
Call? I actually have felt a bit sorry for some
of the artists who were actually there for the right reason,
and and Wana Woods because I sort of overshadded it,
didn't it really? I mean, I think it was probably
the point. I mean, I think it's a bit sad
what's happened to Kanye. I mean I was actually quite
a fan of some of early stuff. But he really
has lost the plot.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Isn't he?
Speaker 3 (30:08):
And then it's all attention grabbing stuff.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Well, I still remember when he got up and made
a dick of himself with the Taylor once she won
got it and he says, oh, you know, I don't know,
he's always been a dickhead. Yeah he really had sorry
technical expression. Actually, I think that's one.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
It's a clinical it's a clinical talk.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
He's more and more gone off the rails. And my
guilty pleasure is watching Justugh cuff a little bit of
keeping up the Kardashians and it's my guilty pleasure. And
it almost it seemed like he was in an emotionally
he was emotionally abusing, and the flowid effect that that
had on her was really bad. He was really coercive
(30:46):
and really controlling, and I don't know, you could see
it in his now wife's eyes. And then then there
were was lip breeders.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Trying to work out what he was saying.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
To I googled it just before, and he was saying
things like make a scene. I'll say, it'll make so
much sense. Drop it, like telling her to drop her
coat because she had that big fur coat, I think
on over the top, drop it behind you and then
turn I got you, all right, let's go, like telling her,
ordering her and telling her what to do.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
I think the impression that I got was that, basically
I don't My guess was that it was all his
idea marketing and this is how you're going to turn up.
And she didn't look like someone who was in charge
of her own destiny in a way. I mean, endless
pots don't tell you very much, but.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
All her own body. It's the same thing. Again, I'd
hate to bring it back to Kim, but he basically
told her what to wear, told her what to do,
told her what to say. Yeah, I think he's very controlling.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
I'm sort of yearning for the for the days of
Yesteryear's form sort of glamour where actually it's what you
conceal that's more interesting in what you get out. Isn't
that your That'll be the way you'd go to a
red carpet, wouldn't it.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
You'd be well, absolutely, And I mean I've got a
fourteen year old and eleven year old girl in my house.
So they were much more focused on trying to figure
out the exact meaning of the tea on the thigh
chain of Taylor's leg. I don't know if you called
that story a much more interesting story about the Grammys.
So she was wearing a beautiful red Kansas City Taylor
(32:15):
Swift Swift, and she was wearing a thigh chain with
it which had a tea, a diamond and crusted tea.
And there was debates with the teasted for Taylor or
for Travis, because apparently one of his song lyrics was
right he wrote his name on my upper thigh or something.
It was all sorts of swifty conversations about.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Oh gosh, they're really.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Gorgeous and she was not in a pantyhstries.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
No, no, good, No, I love the red carpet moments.
To be fair, that's probably what I'm I'm a bit
of a fashion goal and which I'm constantly.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
What would you wear to the red carpet if you
were turning out with your man Ben, he'd be in
the fir cope and you would have it drop away
here just.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
Now, I got you, I've got your.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
No.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
I feel like I love a bit of like dramatic,
like big sleeve situation, Like I feel like it would
be bold and kind of like an architectural style. Just yeah,
bougie and diamonds.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Do you agree? Would you like to see Ricky Gervas
e a crack at the Grammys? It'd be a fish
out of water, wouldn't it. He sort of fitted slightly
with the Golden Globes, even if he sort of went
there to sort of not to offend everyone.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
But did he do it twice?
Speaker 2 (33:33):
It would be five times?
Speaker 3 (33:34):
Did they keep having him back?
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Well, the last time was actually five years ago, and
it's one on one of those things on my YouTube
feed where it keeps popping up and I never get tired.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
He really does go there, doesn't he like? Way past
the line?
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Oh the bit where he talks about Judy Dench plopping
herself down on the carpet and pretending to be a cat.
I won't even go on and say what it was,
because I don't know. I just get the sense that
the ZB audience might not be quite primed for their line.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
Especially in this day and age, the delicate dance have
still been able to be funny and take the piss
and but not overly offend anyone in this day and
age that we live in. It's quite a skill, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
It is?
Speaker 4 (34:10):
I feel broke. Don't fix it, bring him back exactly.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
I'll tell you what. We might just take a quick
break and come back. And second, it's twelve and a
half minutes to form. My panelists Wilhelmina Shrimpton and Carl McDonald.
This is News Talk, said B twelve to four. Welcome
(34:44):
back to news Talks. There's a weekend collective. Hey, well,
this is a Grammy Award winner here, isn't it, Serena Carpenter.
I don't know that because I knew it off just
myself and somebody had to tell me. My panelists are
car McDonald and Wilhelmina Shrimpton.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
Hey, I love this.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
I was quite interesting intrigued with the story. In the UK,
families are getting fined for taking their kids out of
school to go well, for instance, to go skiing because
the holidays are so short, and there's a record four
hundred and forty three thousand school holiday fines issued in
England last year for people taking the kids out of school,
and I I wonder if i'd be one of them.
(35:23):
Would I don't do it now because my wife's a teacher,
But if we thought we wanted an extra week somewhere
because we're going to go overseas, because if you go
from New Zealand to Europe, maybe you won't want an
extra week. Would you take your kids out of school
for an edifying sort of holiday in Europe Austria, Germany, France, whatever,
planning to oh naughty boy?
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Actually, I mean I think some boy. There's a slightly
more nuanced dancer, which is my eldest is at high
school now, so we're a bit more careful because there
is some attendance requirements for INCA and so on. But
I think at primary school you learn more from being
on a trip than you do from a week at school.
I also think that if you are quite apart from
the feed of how much you get pained for actually
(36:03):
trying to fly during school holidays by all of the airlines.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
That is one of my absolute bug bears is that
you know, it's not only expensive to have kids, but unfortunately,
because of the way the holidays work, everyone pings you
more because you've got a family. It's a tax. It's
a tax on a tax. Basically Air New Zealand, quantas whoever,
they all charge more on the school holidays. Same with Airbnb.
Everyone screws families.
Speaker 4 (36:27):
Basically, you're very passionate about this. You've definitely overpaid on
a trip, haven't you.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Well, look, you plan for it, I guess, don't you.
But I would take them out of school, and if
I had to pay a fine for it, I probably
would still do it.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
But I'd probably be less in the difference in the airfares, Yes,
it would.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
I think it would be cheaper.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
What about you, Wills, I sit here obviously I don't
have kids, but and I sit here going I probably
wouldn't take them out, but when the time came, I'm
sure that I actually would. But I was one of
those really weirdly annoying students at school that had the
perfect attendance record. I was that girl. I was that girl,
and I prided myself on the fact that I didn't
take a single sick day a whole duration of high school.
(37:06):
And I actually saw that there was a news story
about some girl and I can't remember where it was,
and one of the regions who hadn't taken a single
day off, And I was like, oh, I didn't get
a blooming yarn.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Were you one of the cool kids as well? Because
did you manage to combine one hundred percent attendants record?
Speaker 4 (37:24):
I was head girl?
Speaker 2 (37:25):
Ah? Really?
Speaker 4 (37:28):
I liked that well, I know I definitely wasn't Which
school was this North Kirk College.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Quirt College, North Kirk College head girl, will the man
of Shrimpton. I need to build that into your introduction.
I think she's former head girl.
Speaker 4 (37:39):
I should add to my email signature. People need to know.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
You should still got on your LinkedIn profile former head girl.
I reckon Actually there, I'm going to go check it out.
Were you were you a prefectorial in the operational ones
of your school, so herarchy.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
I was the student rap on the board of trustees.
Speaker 4 (37:55):
Nice, that is feel elected as well?
Speaker 3 (37:59):
Yes, there was an elected position into the pnogrammar in
nineteen ninety three. That is that is super nerdy though
I'm our chair of my kids school board, so that's
even thanks the circle, well done, look at you.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Well, hell beats the hell out of standing for parliament
or something, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
I certainly didn't have one hundred percent attendance record, I
think at one point to figure out what the minimum
number of classes I needed to go to to pass
things was.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
So you know you, well, did you get degrees? Yeah,
it's not the first time I've heard that on the show.
I think good or through that line at me, I
see in economics seas get degrees. I said, did you
go to a Tiger university or something? Because yes I did. Hey,
Peak coffee days, Peak coffee Day Thursday for you, Peak
coffe Day for Auckland CBD has been revealed. Apparently it's
(38:43):
Thursday between eleven am and twelve pm. Isn't that an
interesting Why would it be eleven a late morning Thursday?
Is just getting towards the end of the week. God,
I need a coffee.
Speaker 4 (38:53):
People probably have coffees at home, lots of people having
espressos and all those types of things. So they have
one home and they get up and then they get
into town. They have their first couple of meetings, a
little whip meeting in the morning, and they're like, oh,
I have a little break and go out and get one.
But to be honest, it's be fair coffee days every day.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
But no, that's what it says. It says Monday and
Tuesdays are quieter, Wednesdays and Fridays weren't far behind. But
it's Thursday. Are people working from home Monday Tuesday and
they've finally got a guar into the office home street.
Speaker 4 (39:21):
You're at the end of the week, you're feeling tired,
you're feeling run down. You've got to get that caffeine.
Both just put an ivy in.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
You know how many how many coffees a day you
are Wilhemina, do you know what?
Speaker 4 (39:30):
I've actually just started drinking decaf as of about a
month and a half ago, just because it gives me
really bad anxiety. Sometimes what decaf does no like coffee.
So I've actually I'm cutting caffeine at the moment.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Do you notice the difference? Yes, when taste?
Speaker 4 (39:47):
No, okay, no, can I have a little on the
spress at hes.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
I have a boogie machine at home, so I have
two blong blacks before I leave the house.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
What's a bougie machine like I've got machine? Oh okay,
Well that's good because if you ever invite me around
for coffee, I will accept because you should until you
can tell me you've got a boogie machine. The invitation
for coffee is just not happening.
Speaker 4 (40:06):
Coffee art as well as you need to practice.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
Yeah, no, I'm too far. I'm far too gone in
the morning.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
That music secue. We got to wrap it up.
Speaker 4 (40:14):
What a tree? What?
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (40:16):
You too?
Speaker 1 (40:17):
Thanks.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
We'll be back at the one ROF Radio show as
next News Talks by.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
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