May 17, 2025 • 40 mins
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Of course, there's lots.
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Of places for left at the moment, so we might
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psychologist and we're going to it. There's been some stories
about weight issues with your kids and how do we
sort of address that those issues if your child does
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have a weight problem without actually stigmatizing them, do we
actually address it. I don't want to say the elephant
in the room because that's an unfortunate cliche, but how
do we address how do we address weight issues without
stigmatizing kids? But also are we also are kids losing
the art of manners? Before six will also talk to
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that game, so lots to look forward to. So this
is the Weekend Collective. Welcome, It is eight past three.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Tim Beveridge on the Weekend Collective called eight hundred eighty
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Speaker 4 (02:27):
Yes and welcome.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
This is the panel and in no particular order I'm
going on. I usually to use the line age before beauty,
but I'm not going to use it. Let's just randomly
go to the resident builder, Pete wolf Camp High Pete,
how are.
Speaker 5 (02:39):
You going eating? Very well? Thank you?
Speaker 4 (02:41):
Miss good good? Have you been keeping out of mischief?
Speaker 5 (02:45):
I'm probably about to make somep so you see what happens.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
You've seen the topics.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
We've gotten your own a fight, and you've got a
few and joining joining Pete with a few hot takes,
Editor of New Zealand Gardener magazine. By the way, a
beautiful looking issue with it is roses on the front,
isn't it. No, she's going to tell me I'm wrong
for may anyway, get you New Zealand Garden Magazine because
the editor's here and she's got a few hot takes prepared.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Joe McCarroll, Hello.
Speaker 6 (03:10):
Good morning. That is ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
As I looked at them, I thought those aren't roses.
Actually they're just flowers.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
I've seen pink and reds and gone.
Speaker 6 (03:19):
If you look next to them, there's the word ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Well yes, but there was also the word citrus next
to them as well, as.
Speaker 6 (03:26):
They are also so ridculous right at the top. Oh
there we gouliculous, very hot, very hot right now everyone
loves ridiculous. Yeah, amazing story about these plants women down
the line Ones and Taranaki, Ones and Blenham They bought
in these beautiful Italian and French ridiculous varieties and gorgeous
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cut flower variety. Amazing on one's all about them.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
I've been watching the new series which was made in France,
of Asterix and Ovelis, and I was thinking, riduculous sounds
like one of the characters that give to one of
the Romans, doesn't.
Speaker 6 (03:59):
It able to forget that.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
Hail vernunculous.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
By the way, it is fantastic if you haven't seen it.
It is good fun for those fans of that time
that cartoon. Actually the other thing I just sort of
share because I'm slightly flastic something can here as early
as i'd like, because I've got back into the sour
Dough and I wasn't sure if I could get it
going today, and of course it always takes more time
and rising, but so I'm not quite in the state
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of zen that I'm supposed to be as a result
of doing the sour dough bread. But let's let's see
if it all comes to fruition after six o'clock tonight.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Anyway, as part of zen as we get.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
For the show today because we've got a few meaty
topics to get into.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
So firstly, Tapati.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Mari MPs were suspended. Boy, it was a long time coming, this,
the hearing everything, the decision, and it still might be
a little bit longer coming because Jerry Brownlee wants to
have wants to have a debate about it, and so
the two leaders Rahwi Ytit and Debbie Naruwapacka were suspended.
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It is without pay for twenty one days. An MP
Hunter Rafferty Mighty Clark is going to face a seven
day suspension.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
Let's start with what do you reckon? Joe?
Speaker 6 (05:14):
Look, I I mean, I've got a few thoughts on this.
I mean, I do think those suspensions seem wildly more
extreme than any suspension ever handed down previously. And when
you think of some of the carry on that goes
on at Parliament, it seems surprising to me that the
previous longest suspension was three days, which I believe was
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for Muldoon. Yeah it was, but in those intervening years.
You know, there have been people have been punching people
in Parliament. You know, there's been drunken and there's been
so many.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
I don't think Trevor was censured for taking a swing
at to I think it was just off the.
Speaker 6 (05:50):
Record, you're driving up the steps in the lander. All
of these things have happened, and I'm like, it seems
surprising to me the scale of these standowns.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
I think, actually, just before you go to you Pete,
I'm okay with it, but I somebody said, what about
Julian gent who got in someone's face?
Speaker 4 (06:07):
Well she should have got more.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
I think the problem with the whole sanctioned thing in
Parliament is they, oh, you've been referred to the privilege
as committee and most people go, what are you going
to get a slap on the wrist? With the West,
I think that in the past they've been way too
soft with people. But perhaps Party Marray didn't help themselves
when they didn't engage with it. They didn't apologize that
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they were contemptuous of the process, and I mean, you've
got to They've got to have something, don't they.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
Well, given that the Privileges Committee is essentially being judged
by your peers, right, it's other parliamentarians that sit on
the committee. So the event happened, it was outside of
the norm for the House, and then come along and
explain why you did it, and then choose not to
arrive there so they didn't go. Then a whole series
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of comments about it's a silly little committee, I think
is the quote, followed by some social media posts going hey,
guess how many days we're going to get slept on
the hand, and it's kind of not surprising that the
committee has said, actually, it's not even about the original action.
It's about your attitude to the wards the committee that
has probably got them that longer.
Speaker 6 (07:16):
But then that leads me to my next point, which
is this just seems to me like everyone is involved
in some sort of political play acting exercise where they
pander to their base, and I'm like, our country faces
real issues, you know, I think this the coalition, the
coalition partners are using this to try and look really strong.
The T Party MARTI are looking, you know, look where,
you know, look at how we're sort of showing two
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fingers to the system, you know, And I just I
don't think in either case it is really leading to
a better outcome. It just feels like political theater.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
But you've got to have something. I mean, if you're
breaking the rules, there has to be some sort of consequence,
I think, and.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
It's to me.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
I mean, to be honest, I saw it Roywity waited.
They were getting all emotional about it. I'm sorry. They
love it. They absolutely love the suspension to part of
amer because it plays into their hands. He is the
carnival barker of Parliament. He loves a show. He loves
to play the victim card. And here's another chance to
preacher his base that oh look at the evil colonize
and how there being that they may a crocodile tear
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is for me? I mean, well, and look, you know, yeah, no,
I think they absolutely do love it. And they don't
turn up. He said, this might be my last speech
in Parliament for a while. You barely there anywhere. They've
got the worst attendant since since anyone. They don't turn up.
Speaker 6 (08:32):
Well, I mean, I you know, I think there's lots
you could talk about there. But and also I think
take your point, Pete, I think the suspension reflects a
lot more than But then I do think there has
to be a space for Tekunga within parliament. I don't
think you can just say we love the harker, let's
put it on before the rugby, but it doesn't have
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any other But.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
They do have it, and they have had harkers in parliament,
but people have stayed in their position. But you get
out and I think that you know, even the waving
of the pistol sort of gesture and all that it
was getting in people's faces, and which is why when
they say, well, Julian Jender didn't get that much, Julian
gender should should have got a week at least. And
this is I think this is my point about it
is that okay, yes this is a lot more, but
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I just think that this is what people should expect
when they break the rules of the House in a
contemptuous way. So it's not about me saying justifying the
ones of the past and saying this should be more serious.
It's just finally we've seen a verdict which people might
go and well maybe that.
Speaker 6 (09:31):
Is but of a deterrent, but it just I don't
know that you can just if they had made a
ruling and said we're going to hand down these you know,
we're taking a lot more seriously. Now, this is what
everyone can expect. But it seems like it's just out
of kilter with everything that has been handed down before.
Speaker 5 (09:47):
But I think the reason that it is is because
of the subsequent action. So the behavition, Yeah, the action happens,
and then an invitation to come declined or just absent again,
and then a series of posts that go, hey, look,
you know, we think the whole thing's rather ridiculous and
try and guess how many days we're going to get
just just continues to sort of undermine.
Speaker 6 (10:08):
But like I say, and like I think you said
to him, I think in both instances, I think Party
Marli's voters will be thinking yeah, right right on, and
I think Sure Act parties voters will be thinking yeah,
right on, Like everyone's just agreeing with themselves in a
vacuum with themselves. And I'd love for the same energy
and commitment and time to be put into dealing with
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the challenges that newsical places.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
What about Jerry Browne, how much is this of this
is on him? Because initially I thought, oh, Jerry's going
to be quite a good speaker, but then he's I
don't know, he just looks permanently unhappy and grumpy all
the time, which you would be if you're looking after
one hundred and twenty children.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
I mean, seriously, you would.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
You would eventually just be like, oh, shut up, everyone,
I'm having a bad day.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
Behave yourself.
Speaker 6 (10:56):
But he's going to allow us When are your parents coming?
Speaker 4 (10:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (10:59):
I mean an opening debate on this now? So they
have this privileges committee. I mean he's he's sort of
the boss, but he's not the boss. He's there because
he's appointed as the speaker. And now he's going to
allow this endless. I don't know what if you could,
they could filibuster this that it tramples over the budget.
What's I don't know. I think Jerry's lost the plot.
Speaker 6 (11:20):
Well, I don't think he's won the hearts of minds,
and I think and I think you would have to
bring everyone with you in a role like that. You
can't just rely on falling back on the rules.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Well, so you think he's right to throw it out
and for debate.
Speaker 6 (11:34):
I think he what he should have done is engage
with people before these problems arose, so that everybody was I.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
Would two for him. He's you know, if this is
the ruling that's come down from the Privileges Committee, he's
got to now deal with it. Every day that those
those particularly those three individuals are not in the house,
and people will go why they're not here? Well, because
this this terrible system.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
We know why they're not I know that.
Speaker 5 (12:02):
But it'll become an issue, right, and he's going to
have to deal. Yes, of course, someone will ask a
question every day, how come these people are not here
in the house or you know answered yeah, I know,
but every day they'll ask and every day, but it
just sits there is an issue over and over it.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
He's saying, there's a little bit of a scab here,
but let's open it right up. Everyone can have a
little knife and start scraping away.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Anyway.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
I think I think it's ridiculous committee to he needs
to put the motion to the Parliament to vote on
the Privilege's Committee and let's move on. They've been suspended.
Let's move on instead of he's created another process and
it's like he's picking the scab as Yeah, he's just
it's never gonna it needs to be lance the boil.
(12:47):
Let's you know, sorry for the analogy, but let's just
the decision has been made, Take your lumps and three
weeks time. We'll see you back from time to time.
But I hate you know.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Look, there's lots of things.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Shall we move Shall we move on to something let's
talk about.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Well, we're not going to.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Move on to something necessarily much easier, are we? Because
the other big story of the week is and I
found myself watching the movie Atonement again, which was two
thousand and seven, because it did use it had a
jarring use of this particular word. And now, as everyone
will know, we don't need much of an introduction for this,
but the Andrea Vance wrote a story where she employed
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the C word against women ministers from the National Act
et cetera, and Brook van Velden has repeated the word.
And for those of people who like to go see
dot dot dot, she said, well, this is what they
called us, and she used the words in parliament and
for some it's a bit much. Was it a bit
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much for you, Joe?
Speaker 6 (13:56):
Well, I think she had to work pretty hard to
use the word. I mean, when you look at Tanettie's question,
she really did force the segue in order to that
part of the Vance.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
Column were she raised the column.
Speaker 6 (14:11):
Yeah, she raised the column and obviously that's.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Which apparently she shouldn't have been able to do. Somebody said, I.
Speaker 6 (14:18):
Think she had. I think she had approached to ask
if the column could be raised. I think that had
been cleared. But it's more that I think what what
her using that word in parliament apparently for the first time,
I believe it. It's changed the conversation which should have
been about the pay equity legislation, which I heard called
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the coalition government's Wahina disaster. But I you know, instead
the conversation has become the Brooke has But Brooke van
Velden has been able to change the conversation and be like,
you know, oh well, you know I've been you know,
this is how I have been treated. This is not acceptable.
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This is not it's not acceptable for women to be
discriminated against on in a gendered waller this and I
just think it's a bit of a slight of hand,
That's what it is.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
Okay, Pete.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
In all my years, I can quite honestly say that
I have never used that word.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Right, and this is the resident builder.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
It's not and swearing to be blunt. But when I
saw that word being used in print in our public discourse.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
I was offended, Andrew Advance, Yes, so if.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
You start it, someone else is going to finish it, right,
So I think she demeaned her the entire point of
the article by using that word. I find it reprehensible.
I find it incredibly and I'm not here to fight
women's battles, right, you can do that for yourselves, but
as a man, I just I loathe it and detest it,
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and I think to use it in public discourse reduces
us all to a level that we shouldn't be playing
in that particular sandpit, right, you know, we should be
better than this.
Speaker 6 (16:11):
Given that, do you think they should have ignored that the.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
Editition never printed the article.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
No, I think I think that. I think that when
you use that as part of your rhetoric, and I
you know, as and it's a it's a misogynistic use
of that word. And I mean, Pete's got a point
that he's not here to fight women's battles for them.
But I think one some people said, oh, but Andrea
Answer is a very good journalist. It's like saying Richard
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mccaus won, if you won a World Cup. Therefore, next time,
if he happens to go and kick someone in the head.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
It's story a couple of months ago, or might have
been a year ago the Canterbury rugby coach who referred
to a journalist as a little upstart see you yeah,
that sort of thing. And what amazed me is all
of the discussion was it was about he shouldn't have
referred to the journalist in that way, or he got
caught with a hot mic. No one came up and said,
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why is it that men feel it's appropriate to use
that word to refer to someone else. I think he
should have been pillary just for using that word in public.
And I'm very strong on this. I think it's a
shocking word. It shouldn't be used in public. It is
incredibly demeaning. I think anyone who uses it just it's appalling.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
The thing is, what about see I didn't have a
problem with her using it because I think that it's
easy just to oh, let's let's let's just go.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
See dot dot dot.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Well, in fact, no, no, she's basically it's basically if
she had been hit with a weapon, she's holding the
weapon and go saying this is what I was hit
with and anyone's going, oh, that looks nasty, and it
is nasty. But the fact is I didn't have a
problem with her going this is the rhetoric that people
are using, and this is what was meant about me
and my colleagues. And yet disappointing that people on the
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other side can't bring themselves to condemn the use of
that word, Whereas imagine if if somebody had said that
about Jacinda, who had put up with their fair share
of misogyny, they would be reaching for the smelling salts
and apoplexy. Why is this a party line thing that
it's okay to use a revolting insult to someone just
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so long as they're there on the other side. And
I think that's where that's why Labor did lose the battle,
because they could have easily Jantonetti should not have referenced
that article. Technically it was really stupid, and Brooke van
Velden went that article that called me this here it is.
Speaker 6 (18:35):
I mean, I have to agree with you both that
this is you should not use this word about anyone
on any side. I think I think, I think it
lowers the bar at which we're operating.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
But actually, here's here's an argument.
Speaker 6 (18:52):
I do think it was a deliberate move to reframe
the pushback that was happening.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
But hold on, so you know that the timeline is
enjury advance uses that phrase, right, which I believe is appalling.
Then in a deliberate attempt to sort of write as
part of the debate, Jantinetti references the article, which everybody
has forgotten anything that was in that article bar that word, right. Yeah,
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to be blunt, the article is irrelevant. Now, it's just.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
Well Allen said, she was like, read, read, read, read what.
Speaker 5 (19:27):
I think Brooklyn Bellen all power to her for just going,
this is what you're saying, right, this is the language
you're using. I'm going to throw it right back at you.
So in that sense, I'm not actually upset that she
used the word in terms of fighting back good honor.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
I say, gosh it, you know, here's an argument that
I think, let's to put a positive spin on this
while while we look at it and think this is
a you know, especially from whatever the paper was and
Andrew Varnts while they were defending it in all this
sort of nonsense, I actually think that is I think, actually,
what's going to happen as a result of this is
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that it is it's going to result in a lot
of people re examining the sort of words they use,
because this has really been a touch paper for this discussion.
And I actually think maybe we'll see a slight improvement.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
In standards as a result. Don't help for an improvement
of standards in parliament.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
But you know what I mean, I think now that
somebody's gone, you know this, this has happened, what's been
called out, I tell you what I think.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
No journalist is going to go within a bull's roar
of that word.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
Tell me if I'm naive as well. But you know,
my expectation as a citizen, as a taxpayer, all the
rest of it is that somehow they're better than me, right,
that the people that I want in Parliament are smarter,
more articulate, more able than I am. And so when
I see this, I kind of go, gee, I'm not
being particularly well served.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Can I just say one I'm just going to say
one other thing people saying people defend it by going
it's free speech.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Look, no, no, no. The issue around.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Free speech is about what sort of speech we criminal lies.
You can go and say whatever you want and sell
pencils from a cup on the corner of Queen Street
or whatever, and you can say what you want without
being arrested. Generally, this is about the media and the
way we all interact with one another and what's decent.
And so people who say the free speech thing, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6 (21:23):
I mean I think people think free speech doesn't mean
you can say anything you want and it's not offensive. Yeah,
but it can still be absolutely offensive. It can be
the wrong thing to say. You shouldn't have seen it.
But yeah, I think that free speech, Yeah, I think
that is perhaps people use it in a way that
lets them say anything they want.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
Yeah, let's let me be, let me be a word
that I can't say.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Um.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
Anyway, Hey, look, let's take a moment. I'm going to go.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
I'm going to go and have a cup of tea
and a lie down for two and a half minutes
and well we'll be back in just a moment. My
panelists to Pete wolf Camp and Joey McCarroll. It is
twenty eight past three. Yes, welcome back to the Weekend
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Collective on Tien Beverage. Make panelists are Pete wolf Camp
and joe McCarroll and guys. A bit of a crackdown
going on down on student loans. There was a student
loan defaulter was a rest of the New Zealand border
which was a removed by the end and Revenue, And
it looks like they're cracking down on people who are
not keeping up with their payments. I don't know if
I'm actually that excited about this as a topic, because
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I'm like, well, if you have a student loan, keep
up with the repayments, and if you get in trouble
for it, then you should keep up with the repayments.
What do you think, Pete, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
It tends to work like this. You borrow money, you
pay it back.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Joe, especially especially when you borrowed money in order to
train in some sort of qualification that let's assume is
earning you your.
Speaker 6 (23:00):
Living, and then you take those girls away. You're not
benefiting New Zealand. Yeah, I mean, it's hard to have
much sympathy at all. I mean, I do think some
people have faced a very unlucky combination of loan conditions. Sure,
you know, they went overseas. The interest rates were fairly punitive,
they were, you know, so they borrowed. I don't know,
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let's say forty thousand dollars and then next thing you know,
it's one hundred thousand. And you know, it's just so
I think people faced a difficult chain of circumstances.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
If you stick your head in the sand and go
la la la la la la la. But I mean,
Craig Rennie from the sea to you, You've got to
pick your targets, Craig, he said, Well, there be some
people making the horrible decision about not seeing their family again.
Come on, I mean, get in touch with it and
let revenue and I'm sorry, I want to come home.
Speaker 6 (23:47):
Get on a payment plan. Yeah, they're not gonna they're
not going to come and you know, take a kidney.
They're just going to put you on mention.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Now that would get people paying their bills. It's like, well,
I'm sorry, we're going to either use you for medical
experiments or we're going to take a kidney.
Speaker 6 (24:02):
A lot of people, well, you do think to yourself,
is not some way that they you could track people down.
I mean like, and again this may in fact breach
people's human rights, but people must have to reapply for
a New Zealand passport, at which point you'd be like,
you're not paying your loan.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
You know.
Speaker 5 (24:18):
Well I was listening to Heather talking to someone about
this as well the other day, and so that I
think in Australia in particular, I id now have contracted
debt collectors to work in Australia on their behalf, which
again you borrow money, you pay, you borrow.
Speaker 6 (24:32):
Money in order to upskill yourself in order to give
yourself opportunities absolutely.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
Over season pursuing those other and you.
Speaker 6 (24:40):
Go overseas pursuing this, which is absolutely fine. I did
that when I was younger. It's a fun, brilliant thing
to do. Lots of people to it. But I just
think your sympathy, my sympathy is really not any sympathy
in the cup.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
I think.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
I think I think we should just compulsorily take a kidney.
It reminds me of that mighty Python skitch, like can
we have your liver?
Speaker 5 (25:01):
Then?
Speaker 4 (25:01):
And it's like I'm using it.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
It's like, come on, I've got your own good donor card.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
It's like, but I'm still alive. I played this library.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
That's the money Briton's the meaning of life anyway. Now
I'm too go. So the war that gosh, the Globe,
there's some pretty unsavory headlines from you know what, the
terrible headline news we see in Guadza as well. But
now Putin's not gone to a stunn bull. I think
(25:29):
it does worry me that he just wants to continue
the warpete.
Speaker 5 (25:33):
It would seem that his actions are exactly that, and
or his behavior would say that, yeah, he does want
to continue the war. What I find really fascinating about
this too is that obviously with Trump and the I'll
get this war stopped in a week in a day,
I think he saw, okay, I was given him a week,
so we were well past one hundred days, and then
(25:54):
sort of well, yeah, if I was going to go,
says Trump, then Putin was going to go. But now
I'm not going, so he's not going. I Meanwhile, Zelenski's
sitting just outside of his stand bul wait for both
of them to turn up, and then goes Awo's nothing
for me to do, as we'll go home.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
I'm sort of waiting for Trump to actually really get
irritated with Vladimir Putin because he seems to give a
pass after part way briefly, but then he's i don't know.
Do you think there'll be a time when he'll suddenly
go the penny will drop and and go. Vladimir Putin's
not a nice guy and we're gonna we're gonna throw
the book at him. I mean, he doesn't realize.
Speaker 6 (26:26):
I don't really know how much Putin cares about optics
outside of Russia. I don't think he cares at all.
I don't think he has any interest in any of
the war. And I don't think it'll end until he
has everything he wants or is dead.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Yeah, unless suddenly the USA, unless Trump's.
Speaker 5 (26:40):
Stage, the advancers have slowed right down. There's there's small
advances by the Russians at this stage, but the idea
of taking Kiev and all the rest of it, that's
way off the cards.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Now.
Speaker 6 (26:50):
He must know that, he does he I mean, does
he just think he'll keep going and going and going.
I mean, the Ukraine are vulnerable. Then it's amazing. The
job they've done defending themselves is incredible, and you know,
if phenomenal and you know you're you it's hard, you know,
you're very moved by the story, you know, But at
the same time, if there is this thirty d cs
(27:12):
far the Ukrainians will, it would be hard for them
to start up again, Like it's you know, they're just
they're just their resources are run.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Then if only, if only Zelensk, you can invite Trump
to Kiev and roll out a sort of a whole
bunch of camels and horses and parades and things. For
of course, he's now in love with the Qataris, who
when he was campaigning, was talking about how Biden was
corrupt for the administration taking money from Katar And all
(27:39):
of a sudden, you know, I can I'll have a
I'll have a jumpbo. Yet that's fine. I'd be silly
to say no.
Speaker 6 (27:45):
Well, I mean I think with what what's going to
happen with Putin and Trump. I mean what you sort
of worry about is that, you know, Trump and Putin
will meet, and I mean I think the loser there
is Zelenski. The loser there is Ukraine, you know, because
I do not think the decisions will made that a
best for their nation.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Hey, by the way, if Trump was to come to
New Zealand, how would we try and match the Katari's?
What would we roll out in terms of we can't
roll out the camels and the horses or even the
jets flying alongside. Well, how would we impress them on
his arrival? Do you think any idea that thing?
Speaker 4 (28:17):
We got much of? A couple of cessnas on the
on the wing tip.
Speaker 6 (28:24):
Get a hercules up.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
It's it's not television because Pete rolled his eyes and
the most effective comment without saying a word.
Speaker 6 (28:38):
Where I live is near motat So we could get
some of those planes up, you know, the old ones wards.
Speaker 5 (28:44):
That's that's what we do.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
That's that's what we do.
Speaker 6 (28:46):
I mean, they're delightful, always a thrill. I think there's
a you know, we could get all the old planes
that we have, you know, Peter Jackson's collection, We could
get them all up. This is a brand.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Idea, Peter. That's availables.
Speaker 5 (29:02):
Course here that's based at Ardmore and I think it's
flowing on to Omarka today and then maybe it was
going to fly across the American warship that's in town
at the moment.
Speaker 6 (29:11):
This is going to bring tourists to New Zealand, this
amazing air show of vintage planes.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
I'm going to talk about the warship in a moment, Pete,
but guess what it's that magic time for another cup
of Tina.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
Lie down, so we'll be back in just its twenty
one minutes to four, and you stillb.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
I got that, I got it, I got it.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
Time that suns.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
It's well, welcome back to the weekend collecting. I don't
like to interrupt Billy Joel when he's singing, because Billy
Joel's awesome. Is he still doing his is he stopped
doing his residence at Madison Square Gardens and he's doing
a giga month.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
And people would just fill it out. He did it
for quite a while.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
He'd just turn up and do one giga month Square Garden,
fill it up like it was just a pub gig.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
It just happened to have.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Ten or twelve, fifteen thousand people screaming. Again we love
Billy now just continuing the one of them. We touched
on military, our military MTE and water users being told
to keep clear of the US worship while it's in
Wellington Harbor. The US is Blue Ridge. It's about fifty
years old. But I'll tell you what it still looks
(30:31):
like quite a nice bit of kit, doesn't it. Do
you like like a nice warship?
Speaker 6 (30:34):
Joe well I actually think I've blown this wide open.
Uh oh, because do you remember last time I was
on the panel and we're talking about how we needed
new warships, and I said, next thing, you know, they're
going to slap a few torpedoes on one of the fairies, right,
but you know we also need fairies now. So I'm like,
they're not letting the bodies get too close because you
know they'll see their like, you know, painting out a
(30:56):
tere on the side, you know.
Speaker 5 (30:57):
Kimi Rail's on the other side, crossing out Blue Ridge
and writing.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
I was thinking, there's no danger of them having to
neither confirm nor know about nuclear weapons on.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
It's mind.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
You actually, it still looks like it still looks like
an impressive sort of vessel.
Speaker 6 (31:14):
Just wait till it's going from Picked into Wellington.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Yeah, the USS Blue Ridge. It's touring the Pacific. Actually,
I mean that's that's sort of their cheap kit. But
I think it probably I don't know how it compares
with our kit, but it did look quite a I mean,
you know, I don't know what do you what do
you make of the whole nuclear thing? By the way, Abauck,
the neither confirmed or deny because I'm thinking with Australia
having it, it doesn't really bother me these days, the
(31:40):
whole nuclear issue.
Speaker 6 (31:41):
I think that the I mean, I think the conversation
has become more nuanced.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
Would you want to go and have a close look
at it?
Speaker 6 (31:50):
Yes, that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
It's like I sort of feel like, why can we
not going to have a fifty five. It's not like it's.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
Truman or something.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
They're not doing public open days on this one.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
No, I don't think so.
Speaker 6 (32:03):
I'd like to go get on board walk all around
some of the New zeal On the news day the public.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Mind you one hundred meters, it says, don't go within
one hundred meters. Well, that'd be close enough for me anyway.
Wouldn't one hundred meters have a bit of a squizz?
Speaker 6 (32:15):
Oh No, you want to get amongst it, get into it,
getting to see the engine.
Speaker 5 (32:19):
So I've met out for a little while, but I
used to paddle sea kayak quite a bit, and so
I would on one occasion out from Devonport around north
Head Head into the Inner Harbor, up underneath the Harbor
bridge and back again right and it's got all the
signs outside the Devaport Naval Base. Do not approach, stay away,
Da da da da da. And it was kind of
a sow easterly, so I was getting blowing closer and
(32:39):
closer to the frigate tied up there, and I'm thinking
someone going to be water cannons.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Or I think apparently it is dangerous for small boats
to be near a boat that size as well. I
think there's a safety issue about sort of.
Speaker 5 (32:51):
It wasn't going anywhere, no.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
But I just think in terms of waves. I don't know,
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
It wasn't moving to him. Yeah, I know, the only
thing moving.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
Anyway actually on that thing.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
I have a caller who calls me about sometimes if
it's nice weather at three or four pm and I'm
at four am when I'm doing an overnight and you
hear the sloshing and he's he's calling me from the
middle of the not cycles. He paddles out to ring
potato one back and while he's on his way out,
he's listening to the radio and he gives me.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
A call from the middle of the gulf in the morning. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
I've actually met him too. I met him at a function.
He says, you know, such and such.
Speaker 6 (33:24):
Do you know what I was wondering the other day,
because you're you're a Devenport local, Pete, I wondered, does
anyone swim to work from Devenport?
Speaker 4 (33:32):
Wow?
Speaker 5 (33:33):
Because you could for a long time to a Devonport
to the city swim, but not to get to work,
not like a commute.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
That does sound quite extreme. It sounds dangerous at that
time in the morning. With fairies, you know, you just
take one caculation and all of a sudden it's like, oops,
what was that.
Speaker 5 (33:54):
Propeller to be fair that's happened.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
But anyway, okay, right, okay, let's move on.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Hey, just on the sailing thing. So, I mean, you
guys might not be into this, the America's cut to
be host in Italy doesn't. For some people that triggers
a bit of an emotional reaction they're doing that. But
I actually just still think that the fact that they
managed to get another challenge it's going in Naples this
time in twenty twenty seven, I think it's phenomenal that
we've still got the cup and we're going to be
(34:18):
putting it. There's going to be a huge event and
hopefully we'll win it again. Are you into the America's
Cup still, Joey you a little bit? Come see comsa.
Speaker 6 (34:24):
I'm not into it when it's not on, and then
when it's on, I'm completely completely compelled by it. In
an expert at SO and an absolute expert in all
things nautical.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
I think that we do see this pattern because you know,
while it's getting ready, you're like, oh, yeah, whatever whatever,
and then all of a sudden the boats at the
water and you're.
Speaker 6 (34:42):
Like, oh wow, they're on the wrong wind there.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
I mean, it will be amazing spectacle. I mean, and
in the end, it's an expensive sport. Now, it's like
if one Formula one and.
Speaker 5 (34:54):
Well their fun teams are invested in some of the
America's cupboats, So Mercedes are part of it, and inios
and that sort of thing. They've all got if one.
Speaker 6 (35:04):
If one on the water.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
Yeah, no, I'm all for Team New Zealand. Go them.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
I heard some people saying, oh, it's professional, they don't
care about New Zealand.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
It's like, well, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
If you look at the amount of Kiwiana and everything
they invested in the last Cup, with the and the
Mari input as well. I mean, I think they're working
hard to remind everyone they're in New Zealand team and
proud of it.
Speaker 6 (35:25):
And I think the reality is New Zealand is a
long way away. I mean, if this is going to
be a big event, holding it in Italy makes more sense.
You're going to have a lot more teams will be
able to compete in an event that is based out
of Italy.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
What a good excuse for a trip to Italy? What
do you think people should we see? I think we
should have a chat with management here and see Look,
I'll do them a panel. You probably have to do
it in the middle of the night to be fair.
Speaker 5 (35:47):
That's okay, I could live with it.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Let's have to go out to an Italian restaurant and
have a couple of lazy reds and then that'll be
a fun Oh my goodness, hopefully, Brook van Velden and
Andrew Mansa mean haven't been talking because I'm like, you know, anyway.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
Yeah, I don't know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
It's time to have another cup of teina, lie down,
or maybe we'll have one up this time. It's eleven
minutes to four news Talks. He'd b yes with I'm
Tim beverage with Pete wolf Camp and Joe McCarroll.
Speaker 4 (36:11):
Lucky.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Last topic, This is courtesy of you peaked actually but really, Yes,
I read the headline for this and I thought this
seemed a bit strange and I'm waiting for you to
mansplain it to me. Bilbis Planet the Auckland Mount Eden
villa owns this is the headline told that double glazed
windows violate heritage rules. Now I'm wondering if there's something
we're missing here, because.
Speaker 4 (36:35):
But yeah, so what's this? What is the story behind
this painte there he goes, he's winding up long run up.
Speaker 5 (36:42):
I just I despair to be fair. So I read
the article this morning online and thought, m that doesn't
sound right. Council have no problem with double glazing, right.
Let me be clear, and I've for thirty odd years
I've basically specialized in heritage work. There is nothing to
stop you doing double glazing in a villa or a
(37:04):
bunk below with double hung sash windows. What there is
is a problem of ripping out perfectly good timber sashes
and replacing them.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Amum, oh so that's missing, yes, and the headline anyway, it.
Speaker 5 (37:17):
Gets mentioned later on, so misleading, deceptive headline. There's a
lot more to the story. You know. The owners of
the house should have known better, as far as I'm concerned.
And the Resource Management Act, which protects in part heritage areas.
This is exactly why the Resource Management Act is there.
(37:40):
It's a good thing. If we're going to look after heritage,
we need to stop people doing that sort of thing.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
For the double glazed part, the unit that's the double
glazed unit doesn't just need to be surrounded. It doesn't
need to be surrounded by aluminium, does it.
Speaker 5 (37:53):
You can put it in new PVC, you can put
it in timber, you can put it in aluminum.
Speaker 6 (37:57):
I wonder, though, Pete, if you put it in timber,
which is completely permitted, would it be more expensive, because
it strikes me that the owner of that he just
did the cheapest job possible.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Well, you've got a heritage house, you know. When they're
so sign up, it's a bit like you know the rules, it's.
Speaker 5 (38:14):
I mean, I've seen it done and I've been part
of doing it. So you take a timber sash, you
deepen the reveals, you put in a double glazed unit,
and you put the timber sash back in and as
for Alex Wooden Hannah the lawyer acting for the family
who I happen to know, talking about double glazing being
environmentally best practice. Yes, true, the DJ unit does perform
better than a single glazed unit, but aluminium performs worse
(38:37):
than timber, So throwing out the timber and replacing it
with aluminium, if it's standard aluminum not thermly broken, will
mean that it performs worse than it did before virgo
putting in double glazing.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
And you can tell from this it does look a
little bit.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
It's got a touch of its touch of tack heads
to it, right.
Speaker 5 (38:54):
And what's not in the print article is the photographs
that are online which shows that the bottom is an
awning hung window.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
Right.
Speaker 5 (39:03):
So I just looked at that and thought, to be fair,
there's no excuse. It's it's terrible work done poorly.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Do you live an heritage, Yes, I think you've nailed that, Pete,
I don't think do you have anything contribute on that?
Speaker 5 (39:18):
Like I feel like I feel we might talk about
it tomorrow on the show. Well, I'm rather exercised about it.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
It's just one of those things where and I know
that you know, with the headlines and stuff. But it
was it's a headline designed to get you to read it,
I guess, because it leaves out the pertinent fact which
might have been going well, I agree with it, but
there we go.
Speaker 5 (39:36):
Except the problem with the headline is that if someone
reads the headline, reads the first two paragraphs, they'll think, oh,
I can't put double glazing into an old villa and
make it more energy efficient. The realities you can.
Speaker 6 (39:48):
Yeah, you can use double glazing to meet your healthy
home standards and you're beautiful.
Speaker 4 (39:52):
Just don't just don't have an rum, don't change the.
Speaker 5 (39:56):
Yeah, don't ruin the aesthetics of the appearance.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
What's the reveal, by the way, what's that reveal?
Speaker 4 (40:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (40:03):
Just anything. We're sit back, so beautiful. Thing about double
hunk sash windows is you've got the top one that
sits up and forward, and then the other one sits
behind it, right, So there's there's depth to the windows,
and what you look at there is this flat surface
with all of the joinery in line.
Speaker 4 (40:19):
Good on you, Thank you, Pete.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
So when you see that article, people don't get as
wound up as you want to be by the headline.
Hey Joe, and yes, Joe McCarroll and Pete Wolfkin. Lovely
to see you guys again, great great work today, some
tricky topics, stellar job guys.
Speaker 4 (40:36):
Nice to see you.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
Love to see you guys, and don't forget New Zealand
Gardener magazine out now Relunculous on the cover. We'll be
back shortly with the One roof radio show talking about renters,
landlords versus tenants.
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We're joined by Mike Atkinson. He's from a SPA property management,
talking about balancing the relationship between landlords and tenants and
actually what is the secret to a good tenant landlord relationship.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Of course, there's lots.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Of places for left at the moment, so we might
dig into actually how do you actually attract a tenant
when you really could do with one what's the best
way to set yourself apart from the crowd. After five
for the parents squad, Sarah Chapman joins us. She's a
psychologist and we're going to it. There's been some stories
about weight issues with your kids and how do we
sort of address that those issues if your child does
(01:44):
have a weight problem without actually stigmatizing them, do we
actually address it. I don't want to say the elephant
in the room because that's an unfortunate cliche, but how
do we address how do we address weight issues without
stigmatizing kids? But also are we also are kids losing
the art of manners? Before six will also talk to
Jason Pine to Rapsport Course Melbourne victory versus all Auckland
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versus the Dolphins which will be kicking off. We will
have kicked off actually, so we'll be part way through
that game, so lots to look forward to. So this
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Speaker 4 (02:27):
Yes and welcome.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
This is the panel and in no particular order I'm
going on. I usually to use the line age before beauty,
but I'm not going to use it. Let's just randomly
go to the resident builder, Pete wolf Camp High Pete,
how are.
Speaker 5 (02:39):
You going eating? Very well? Thank you?
Speaker 4 (02:41):
Miss good good? Have you been keeping out of mischief?
Speaker 5 (02:45):
I'm probably about to make somep so you see what happens.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
You've seen the topics.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
We've gotten your own a fight, and you've got a
few and joining joining Pete with a few hot takes,
Editor of New Zealand Gardener magazine. By the way, a
beautiful looking issue with it is roses on the front,
isn't it. No, she's going to tell me I'm wrong
for may anyway, get you New Zealand Garden Magazine because
the editor's here and she's got a few hot takes prepared.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Joe McCarroll, Hello.
Speaker 6 (03:10):
Good morning. That is ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
As I looked at them, I thought those aren't roses.
Actually they're just flowers.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
I've seen pink and reds and gone.
Speaker 6 (03:19):
If you look next to them, there's the word ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Well yes, but there was also the word citrus next
to them as well, as.
Speaker 6 (03:26):
They are also so ridculous right at the top. Oh
there we gouliculous, very hot, very hot right now everyone
loves ridiculous. Yeah, amazing story about these plants women down
the line Ones and Taranaki, Ones and Blenham They bought
in these beautiful Italian and French ridiculous varieties and gorgeous
(03:47):
cut flower variety. Amazing on one's all about them.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
I've been watching the new series which was made in France,
of Asterix and Ovelis, and I was thinking, riduculous sounds
like one of the characters that give to one of
the Romans, doesn't.
Speaker 6 (03:59):
It able to forget that.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
Hail vernunculous.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
By the way, it is fantastic if you haven't seen it.
It is good fun for those fans of that time
that cartoon. Actually the other thing I just sort of
share because I'm slightly flastic something can here as early
as i'd like, because I've got back into the sour
Dough and I wasn't sure if I could get it
going today, and of course it always takes more time
and rising, but so I'm not quite in the state
(04:28):
of zen that I'm supposed to be as a result
of doing the sour dough bread. But let's let's see
if it all comes to fruition after six o'clock tonight.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Anyway, as part of zen as we get.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
For the show today because we've got a few meaty
topics to get into.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
So firstly, Tapati.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Mari MPs were suspended. Boy, it was a long time coming, this,
the hearing everything, the decision, and it still might be
a little bit longer coming because Jerry Brownlee wants to
have wants to have a debate about it, and so
the two leaders Rahwi Ytit and Debbie Naruwapacka were suspended.
(05:04):
It is without pay for twenty one days. An MP
Hunter Rafferty Mighty Clark is going to face a seven
day suspension.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
Let's start with what do you reckon? Joe?
Speaker 6 (05:14):
Look, I I mean, I've got a few thoughts on this.
I mean, I do think those suspensions seem wildly more
extreme than any suspension ever handed down previously. And when
you think of some of the carry on that goes
on at Parliament, it seems surprising to me that the
previous longest suspension was three days, which I believe was
(05:36):
for Muldoon. Yeah it was, but in those intervening years.
You know, there have been people have been punching people
in Parliament. You know, there's been drunken and there's been
so many.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
I don't think Trevor was censured for taking a swing
at to I think it was just off the.
Speaker 6 (05:50):
Record, you're driving up the steps in the lander. All
of these things have happened, and I'm like, it seems
surprising to me the scale of these standowns.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
I think, actually, just before you go to you Pete,
I'm okay with it, but I somebody said, what about
Julian gent who got in someone's face?
Speaker 4 (06:07):
Well she should have got more.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
I think the problem with the whole sanctioned thing in
Parliament is they, oh, you've been referred to the privilege
as committee and most people go, what are you going
to get a slap on the wrist? With the West,
I think that in the past they've been way too
soft with people. But perhaps Party Marray didn't help themselves
when they didn't engage with it. They didn't apologize that
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they were contemptuous of the process, and I mean, you've
got to They've got to have something, don't they.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
Well, given that the Privileges Committee is essentially being judged
by your peers, right, it's other parliamentarians that sit on
the committee. So the event happened, it was outside of
the norm for the House, and then come along and
explain why you did it, and then choose not to
arrive there so they didn't go. Then a whole series
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of comments about it's a silly little committee, I think
is the quote, followed by some social media posts going hey,
guess how many days we're going to get slept on
the hand, and it's kind of not surprising that the
committee has said, actually, it's not even about the original action.
It's about your attitude to the wards the committee that
has probably got them that longer.
Speaker 6 (07:16):
But then that leads me to my next point, which
is this just seems to me like everyone is involved
in some sort of political play acting exercise where they
pander to their base, and I'm like, our country faces
real issues, you know, I think this the coalition, the
coalition partners are using this to try and look really strong.
The T Party MARTI are looking, you know, look where,
you know, look at how we're sort of showing two
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fingers to the system, you know, And I just I
don't think in either case it is really leading to
a better outcome. It just feels like political theater.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
But you've got to have something. I mean, if you're
breaking the rules, there has to be some sort of consequence,
I think, and.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
It's to me.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
I mean, to be honest, I saw it Roywity waited.
They were getting all emotional about it. I'm sorry. They
love it. They absolutely love the suspension to part of
amer because it plays into their hands. He is the
carnival barker of Parliament. He loves a show. He loves
to play the victim card. And here's another chance to
preacher his base that oh look at the evil colonize
and how there being that they may a crocodile tear
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is for me? I mean, well, and look, you know, yeah, no,
I think they absolutely do love it. And they don't
turn up. He said, this might be my last speech
in Parliament for a while. You barely there anywhere. They've
got the worst attendant since since anyone. They don't turn up.
Speaker 6 (08:32):
Well, I mean, I you know, I think there's lots
you could talk about there. But and also I think
take your point, Pete, I think the suspension reflects a
lot more than But then I do think there has
to be a space for Tekunga within parliament. I don't
think you can just say we love the harker, let's
put it on before the rugby, but it doesn't have
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any other But.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
They do have it, and they have had harkers in parliament,
but people have stayed in their position. But you get
out and I think that you know, even the waving
of the pistol sort of gesture and all that it
was getting in people's faces, and which is why when
they say, well, Julian Jender didn't get that much, Julian
gender should should have got a week at least. And
this is I think this is my point about it
is that okay, yes this is a lot more, but
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I just think that this is what people should expect
when they break the rules of the House in a
contemptuous way. So it's not about me saying justifying the
ones of the past and saying this should be more serious.
It's just finally we've seen a verdict which people might
go and well maybe that.
Speaker 6 (09:31):
Is but of a deterrent, but it just I don't
know that you can just if they had made a
ruling and said we're going to hand down these you know,
we're taking a lot more seriously. Now, this is what
everyone can expect. But it seems like it's just out
of kilter with everything that has been handed down before.
Speaker 5 (09:47):
But I think the reason that it is is because
of the subsequent action. So the behavition, Yeah, the action happens,
and then an invitation to come declined or just absent again,
and then a series of posts that go, hey, look,
you know, we think the whole thing's rather ridiculous and
try and guess how many days we're going to get
just just continues to sort of undermine.
Speaker 6 (10:08):
But like I say, and like I think you said
to him, I think in both instances, I think Party
Marli's voters will be thinking yeah, right right on, and
I think Sure Act parties voters will be thinking yeah,
right on, Like everyone's just agreeing with themselves in a
vacuum with themselves. And I'd love for the same energy
and commitment and time to be put into dealing with
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the challenges that newsical places.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
What about Jerry Browne, how much is this of this
is on him? Because initially I thought, oh, Jerry's going
to be quite a good speaker, but then he's I
don't know, he just looks permanently unhappy and grumpy all
the time, which you would be if you're looking after
one hundred and twenty children.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
I mean, seriously, you would.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
You would eventually just be like, oh, shut up, everyone,
I'm having a bad day.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
Behave yourself.
Speaker 6 (10:56):
But he's going to allow us When are your parents coming?
Speaker 4 (10:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (10:59):
I mean an opening debate on this now? So they
have this privileges committee. I mean he's he's sort of
the boss, but he's not the boss. He's there because
he's appointed as the speaker. And now he's going to
allow this endless. I don't know what if you could,
they could filibuster this that it tramples over the budget.
What's I don't know. I think Jerry's lost the plot.
Speaker 6 (11:20):
Well, I don't think he's won the hearts of minds,
and I think and I think you would have to
bring everyone with you in a role like that. You
can't just rely on falling back on the rules.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Well, so you think he's right to throw it out
and for debate.
Speaker 6 (11:34):
I think he what he should have done is engage
with people before these problems arose, so that everybody was I.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
Would two for him. He's you know, if this is
the ruling that's come down from the Privileges Committee, he's
got to now deal with it. Every day that those
those particularly those three individuals are not in the house,
and people will go why they're not here? Well, because
this this terrible system.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
We know why they're not I know that.
Speaker 5 (12:02):
But it'll become an issue, right, and he's going to
have to deal. Yes, of course, someone will ask a
question every day, how come these people are not here
in the house or you know answered yeah, I know,
but every day they'll ask and every day, but it
just sits there is an issue over and over it.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
He's saying, there's a little bit of a scab here,
but let's open it right up. Everyone can have a
little knife and start scraping away.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Anyway.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
I think I think it's ridiculous committee to he needs
to put the motion to the Parliament to vote on
the Privilege's Committee and let's move on. They've been suspended.
Let's move on instead of he's created another process and
it's like he's picking the scab as Yeah, he's just
it's never gonna it needs to be lance the boil.
(12:47):
Let's you know, sorry for the analogy, but let's just
the decision has been made, Take your lumps and three
weeks time. We'll see you back from time to time.
But I hate you know.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Look, there's lots of things.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Shall we move Shall we move on to something let's
talk about.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Well, we're not going to.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Move on to something necessarily much easier, are we? Because
the other big story of the week is and I
found myself watching the movie Atonement again, which was two
thousand and seven, because it did use it had a
jarring use of this particular word. And now, as everyone
will know, we don't need much of an introduction for this,
but the Andrea Vance wrote a story where she employed
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the C word against women ministers from the National Act
et cetera, and Brook van Velden has repeated the word.
And for those of people who like to go see
dot dot dot, she said, well, this is what they
called us, and she used the words in parliament and
for some it's a bit much. Was it a bit
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much for you, Joe?
Speaker 6 (13:56):
Well, I think she had to work pretty hard to
use the word. I mean, when you look at Tanettie's question,
she really did force the segue in order to that
part of the Vance.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
Column were she raised the column.
Speaker 6 (14:11):
Yeah, she raised the column and obviously that's.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Which apparently she shouldn't have been able to do. Somebody said, I.
Speaker 6 (14:18):
Think she had. I think she had approached to ask
if the column could be raised. I think that had
been cleared. But it's more that I think what what
her using that word in parliament apparently for the first time,
I believe it. It's changed the conversation which should have
been about the pay equity legislation, which I heard called
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the coalition government's Wahina disaster. But I you know, instead
the conversation has become the Brooke has But Brooke van
Velden has been able to change the conversation and be like,
you know, oh well, you know I've been you know,
this is how I have been treated. This is not acceptable.
(15:00):
This is not it's not acceptable for women to be
discriminated against on in a gendered waller this and I
just think it's a bit of a slight of hand,
That's what it is.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
Okay, Pete.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
In all my years, I can quite honestly say that
I have never used that word.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Right, and this is the resident builder.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
It's not and swearing to be blunt. But when I
saw that word being used in print in our public discourse.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
I was offended, Andrew Advance, Yes, so if.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
You start it, someone else is going to finish it, right,
So I think she demeaned her the entire point of
the article by using that word. I find it reprehensible.
I find it incredibly and I'm not here to fight
women's battles, right, you can do that for yourselves, but
as a man, I just I loathe it and detest it,
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and I think to use it in public discourse reduces
us all to a level that we shouldn't be playing
in that particular sandpit, right, you know, we should be
better than this.
Speaker 6 (16:11):
Given that, do you think they should have ignored that the.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
Editition never printed the article.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
No, I think I think that. I think that when
you use that as part of your rhetoric, and I
you know, as and it's a it's a misogynistic use
of that word. And I mean, Pete's got a point
that he's not here to fight women's battles for them.
But I think one some people said, oh, but Andrea
Answer is a very good journalist. It's like saying Richard
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mccaus won, if you won a World Cup. Therefore, next time,
if he happens to go and kick someone in the head.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
It's story a couple of months ago, or might have
been a year ago the Canterbury rugby coach who referred
to a journalist as a little upstart see you yeah,
that sort of thing. And what amazed me is all
of the discussion was it was about he shouldn't have
referred to the journalist in that way, or he got
caught with a hot mic. No one came up and said,
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why is it that men feel it's appropriate to use
that word to refer to someone else. I think he
should have been pillary just for using that word in public.
And I'm very strong on this. I think it's a
shocking word. It shouldn't be used in public. It is
incredibly demeaning. I think anyone who uses it just it's appalling.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
The thing is, what about see I didn't have a
problem with her using it because I think that it's
easy just to oh, let's let's let's just go.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
See dot dot dot.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Well, in fact, no, no, she's basically it's basically if
she had been hit with a weapon, she's holding the
weapon and go saying this is what I was hit
with and anyone's going, oh, that looks nasty, and it
is nasty. But the fact is I didn't have a
problem with her going this is the rhetoric that people
are using, and this is what was meant about me
and my colleagues. And yet disappointing that people on the
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other side can't bring themselves to condemn the use of
that word, Whereas imagine if if somebody had said that
about Jacinda, who had put up with their fair share
of misogyny, they would be reaching for the smelling salts
and apoplexy. Why is this a party line thing that
it's okay to use a revolting insult to someone just
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so long as they're there on the other side. And
I think that's where that's why Labor did lose the battle,
because they could have easily Jantonetti should not have referenced
that article. Technically it was really stupid, and Brooke van
Velden went that article that called me this here it is.
Speaker 6 (18:35):
I mean, I have to agree with you both that
this is you should not use this word about anyone
on any side. I think I think, I think it
lowers the bar at which we're operating.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
But actually, here's here's an argument.
Speaker 6 (18:52):
I do think it was a deliberate move to reframe
the pushback that was happening.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
But hold on, so you know that the timeline is
enjury advance uses that phrase, right, which I believe is appalling.
Then in a deliberate attempt to sort of write as
part of the debate, Jantinetti references the article, which everybody
has forgotten anything that was in that article bar that word, right. Yeah,
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to be blunt, the article is irrelevant. Now, it's just.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
Well Allen said, she was like, read, read, read, read what.
Speaker 5 (19:27):
I think Brooklyn Bellen all power to her for just going,
this is what you're saying, right, this is the language
you're using. I'm going to throw it right back at you.
So in that sense, I'm not actually upset that she
used the word in terms of fighting back good honor.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
I say, gosh it, you know, here's an argument that
I think, let's to put a positive spin on this
while while we look at it and think this is
a you know, especially from whatever the paper was and
Andrew Varnts while they were defending it in all this
sort of nonsense, I actually think that is I think, actually,
what's going to happen as a result of this is
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that it is it's going to result in a lot
of people re examining the sort of words they use,
because this has really been a touch paper for this discussion.
And I actually think maybe we'll see a slight improvement.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
In standards as a result. Don't help for an improvement
of standards in parliament.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
But you know what I mean, I think now that
somebody's gone, you know this, this has happened, what's been
called out, I tell you what I think.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
No journalist is going to go within a bull's roar
of that word.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
Tell me if I'm naive as well. But you know,
my expectation as a citizen, as a taxpayer, all the
rest of it is that somehow they're better than me, right,
that the people that I want in Parliament are smarter,
more articulate, more able than I am. And so when
I see this, I kind of go, gee, I'm not
being particularly well served.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Can I just say one I'm just going to say
one other thing people saying people defend it by going
it's free speech.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Look, no, no, no. The issue around.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Free speech is about what sort of speech we criminal lies.
You can go and say whatever you want and sell
pencils from a cup on the corner of Queen Street
or whatever, and you can say what you want without
being arrested. Generally, this is about the media and the
way we all interact with one another and what's decent.
And so people who say the free speech thing, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6 (21:23):
I mean I think people think free speech doesn't mean
you can say anything you want and it's not offensive. Yeah,
but it can still be absolutely offensive. It can be
the wrong thing to say. You shouldn't have seen it.
But yeah, I think that free speech, Yeah, I think
that is perhaps people use it in a way that
lets them say anything they want.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
Yeah, let's let me be, let me be a word
that I can't say.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Um.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
Anyway, Hey, look, let's take a moment. I'm going to go.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
I'm going to go and have a cup of tea
and a lie down for two and a half minutes
and well we'll be back in just a moment. My
panelists to Pete wolf Camp and Joey McCarroll. It is
twenty eight past three. Yes, welcome back to the Weekend
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Collective on Tien Beverage. Make panelists are Pete wolf Camp
and joe McCarroll and guys. A bit of a crackdown
going on down on student loans. There was a student
loan defaulter was a rest of the New Zealand border
which was a removed by the end and Revenue, And
it looks like they're cracking down on people who are
not keeping up with their payments. I don't know if
I'm actually that excited about this as a topic, because
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I'm like, well, if you have a student loan, keep
up with the repayments, and if you get in trouble
for it, then you should keep up with the repayments.
What do you think, Pete, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
It tends to work like this. You borrow money, you
pay it back.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Joe, especially especially when you borrowed money in order to
train in some sort of qualification that let's assume is
earning you your.
Speaker 6 (23:00):
Living, and then you take those girls away. You're not
benefiting New Zealand. Yeah, I mean, it's hard to have
much sympathy at all. I mean, I do think some
people have faced a very unlucky combination of loan conditions. Sure,
you know, they went overseas. The interest rates were fairly punitive,
they were, you know, so they borrowed. I don't know,
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let's say forty thousand dollars and then next thing you know,
it's one hundred thousand. And you know, it's just so
I think people faced a difficult chain of circumstances.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
If you stick your head in the sand and go
la la la la la la la. But I mean,
Craig Rennie from the sea to you, You've got to
pick your targets, Craig, he said, Well, there be some
people making the horrible decision about not seeing their family again.
Come on, I mean, get in touch with it and
let revenue and I'm sorry, I want to come home.
Speaker 6 (23:47):
Get on a payment plan. Yeah, they're not gonna they're
not going to come and you know, take a kidney.
They're just going to put you on mention.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Now that would get people paying their bills. It's like, well,
I'm sorry, we're going to either use you for medical
experiments or we're going to take a kidney.
Speaker 6 (24:02):
A lot of people, well, you do think to yourself,
is not some way that they you could track people down.
I mean like, and again this may in fact breach
people's human rights, but people must have to reapply for
a New Zealand passport, at which point you'd be like,
you're not paying your loan.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
You know.
Speaker 5 (24:18):
Well I was listening to Heather talking to someone about
this as well the other day, and so that I
think in Australia in particular, I id now have contracted
debt collectors to work in Australia on their behalf, which
again you borrow money, you pay, you borrow.
Speaker 6 (24:32):
Money in order to upskill yourself in order to give
yourself opportunities absolutely.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
Over season pursuing those other and you.
Speaker 6 (24:40):
Go overseas pursuing this, which is absolutely fine. I did
that when I was younger. It's a fun, brilliant thing
to do. Lots of people to it. But I just
think your sympathy, my sympathy is really not any sympathy
in the cup.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
I think.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
I think I think we should just compulsorily take a kidney.
It reminds me of that mighty Python skitch, like can
we have your liver?
Speaker 5 (25:01):
Then?
Speaker 4 (25:01):
And it's like I'm using it.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
It's like, come on, I've got your own good donor card.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
It's like, but I'm still alive. I played this library.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
That's the money Briton's the meaning of life anyway. Now
I'm too go. So the war that gosh, the Globe,
there's some pretty unsavory headlines from you know what, the
terrible headline news we see in Guadza as well. But
now Putin's not gone to a stunn bull. I think
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it does worry me that he just wants to continue
the warpete.
Speaker 5 (25:33):
It would seem that his actions are exactly that, and
or his behavior would say that, yeah, he does want
to continue the war. What I find really fascinating about
this too is that obviously with Trump and the I'll
get this war stopped in a week in a day,
I think he saw, okay, I was given him a week,
so we were well past one hundred days, and then
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sort of well, yeah, if I was going to go,
says Trump, then Putin was going to go. But now
I'm not going, so he's not going. I Meanwhile, Zelenski's
sitting just outside of his stand bul wait for both
of them to turn up, and then goes Awo's nothing
for me to do, as we'll go home.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
I'm sort of waiting for Trump to actually really get
irritated with Vladimir Putin because he seems to give a
pass after part way briefly, but then he's i don't know.
Do you think there'll be a time when he'll suddenly
go the penny will drop and and go. Vladimir Putin's
not a nice guy and we're gonna we're gonna throw
the book at him. I mean, he doesn't realize.
Speaker 6 (26:26):
I don't really know how much Putin cares about optics
outside of Russia. I don't think he cares at all.
I don't think he has any interest in any of
the war. And I don't think it'll end until he
has everything he wants or is dead.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Yeah, unless suddenly the USA, unless Trump's.
Speaker 5 (26:40):
Stage, the advancers have slowed right down. There's there's small
advances by the Russians at this stage, but the idea
of taking Kiev and all the rest of it, that's
way off the cards.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Now.
Speaker 6 (26:50):
He must know that, he does he I mean, does
he just think he'll keep going and going and going.
I mean, the Ukraine are vulnerable. Then it's amazing. The
job they've done defending themselves is incredible, and you know,
if phenomenal and you know you're you it's hard, you know,
you're very moved by the story, you know, But at
the same time, if there is this thirty d cs
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far the Ukrainians will, it would be hard for them
to start up again, Like it's you know, they're just
they're just their resources are run.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Then if only, if only Zelensk, you can invite Trump
to Kiev and roll out a sort of a whole
bunch of camels and horses and parades and things. For
of course, he's now in love with the Qataris, who
when he was campaigning, was talking about how Biden was
corrupt for the administration taking money from Katar And all
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of a sudden, you know, I can I'll have a
I'll have a jumpbo. Yet that's fine. I'd be silly
to say no.
Speaker 6 (27:45):
Well, I mean I think with what what's going to
happen with Putin and Trump. I mean what you sort
of worry about is that, you know, Trump and Putin
will meet, and I mean I think the loser there
is Zelenski. The loser there is Ukraine, you know, because
I do not think the decisions will made that a
best for their nation.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Hey, by the way, if Trump was to come to
New Zealand, how would we try and match the Katari's?
What would we roll out in terms of we can't
roll out the camels and the horses or even the
jets flying alongside. Well, how would we impress them on
his arrival? Do you think any idea that thing?
Speaker 4 (28:17):
We got much of? A couple of cessnas on the
on the wing tip.
Speaker 6 (28:24):
Get a hercules up.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
It's it's not television because Pete rolled his eyes and
the most effective comment without saying a word.
Speaker 6 (28:38):
Where I live is near motat So we could get
some of those planes up, you know, the old ones wards.
Speaker 5 (28:44):
That's that's what we do.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
That's that's what we do.
Speaker 6 (28:46):
I mean, they're delightful, always a thrill. I think there's
a you know, we could get all the old planes
that we have, you know, Peter Jackson's collection, We could
get them all up. This is a brand.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Idea, Peter. That's availables.
Speaker 5 (29:02):
Course here that's based at Ardmore and I think it's
flowing on to Omarka today and then maybe it was
going to fly across the American warship that's in town
at the moment.
Speaker 6 (29:11):
This is going to bring tourists to New Zealand, this
amazing air show of vintage planes.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
I'm going to talk about the warship in a moment, Pete,
but guess what it's that magic time for another cup
of Tina.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
Lie down, so we'll be back in just its twenty
one minutes to four, and you stillb.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
I got that, I got it, I got it.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
Time that suns.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
It's well, welcome back to the weekend collecting. I don't
like to interrupt Billy Joel when he's singing, because Billy
Joel's awesome. Is he still doing his is he stopped
doing his residence at Madison Square Gardens and he's doing
a giga month.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
And people would just fill it out. He did it
for quite a while.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
He'd just turn up and do one giga month Square Garden,
fill it up like it was just a pub gig.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
It just happened to have.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Ten or twelve, fifteen thousand people screaming. Again we love
Billy now just continuing the one of them. We touched
on military, our military MTE and water users being told
to keep clear of the US worship while it's in
Wellington Harbor. The US is Blue Ridge. It's about fifty
years old. But I'll tell you what it still looks
(30:31):
like quite a nice bit of kit, doesn't it. Do
you like like a nice warship?
Speaker 6 (30:34):
Joe well I actually think I've blown this wide open.
Uh oh, because do you remember last time I was
on the panel and we're talking about how we needed
new warships, and I said, next thing, you know, they're
going to slap a few torpedoes on one of the fairies, right,
but you know we also need fairies now. So I'm like,
they're not letting the bodies get too close because you
know they'll see their like, you know, painting out a
(30:56):
tere on the side, you know.
Speaker 5 (30:57):
Kimi Rail's on the other side, crossing out Blue Ridge
and writing.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
I was thinking, there's no danger of them having to
neither confirm nor know about nuclear weapons on.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
It's mind.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
You actually, it still looks like it still looks like
an impressive sort of vessel.
Speaker 6 (31:14):
Just wait till it's going from Picked into Wellington.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Yeah, the USS Blue Ridge. It's touring the Pacific. Actually,
I mean that's that's sort of their cheap kit. But
I think it probably I don't know how it compares
with our kit, but it did look quite a I mean,
you know, I don't know what do you what do
you make of the whole nuclear thing? By the way, Abauck,
the neither confirmed or deny because I'm thinking with Australia
having it, it doesn't really bother me these days, the
(31:40):
whole nuclear issue.
Speaker 6 (31:41):
I think that the I mean, I think the conversation
has become more nuanced.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
Would you want to go and have a close look
at it?
Speaker 6 (31:50):
Yes, that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
It's like I sort of feel like, why can we
not going to have a fifty five. It's not like it's.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
Truman or something.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
They're not doing public open days on this one.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
No, I don't think so.
Speaker 6 (32:03):
I'd like to go get on board walk all around
some of the New zeal On the news day the public.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Mind you one hundred meters, it says, don't go within
one hundred meters. Well, that'd be close enough for me anyway.
Wouldn't one hundred meters have a bit of a squizz?
Speaker 6 (32:15):
Oh No, you want to get amongst it, get into it,
getting to see the engine.
Speaker 5 (32:19):
So I've met out for a little while, but I
used to paddle sea kayak quite a bit, and so
I would on one occasion out from Devonport around north
Head Head into the Inner Harbor, up underneath the Harbor
bridge and back again right and it's got all the
signs outside the Devaport Naval Base. Do not approach, stay away,
Da da da da da. And it was kind of
a sow easterly, so I was getting blowing closer and
(32:39):
closer to the frigate tied up there, and I'm thinking
someone going to be water cannons.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Or I think apparently it is dangerous for small boats
to be near a boat that size as well. I
think there's a safety issue about sort of.
Speaker 5 (32:51):
It wasn't going anywhere, no.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
But I just think in terms of waves. I don't know,
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
It wasn't moving to him. Yeah, I know, the only
thing moving.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
Anyway actually on that thing.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
I have a caller who calls me about sometimes if
it's nice weather at three or four pm and I'm
at four am when I'm doing an overnight and you
hear the sloshing and he's he's calling me from the
middle of the not cycles. He paddles out to ring
potato one back and while he's on his way out,
he's listening to the radio and he gives me.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
A call from the middle of the gulf in the morning. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
I've actually met him too. I met him at a function.
He says, you know, such and such.
Speaker 6 (33:24):
Do you know what I was wondering the other day,
because you're you're a Devenport local, Pete, I wondered, does
anyone swim to work from Devenport?
Speaker 4 (33:32):
Wow?
Speaker 5 (33:33):
Because you could for a long time to a Devonport
to the city swim, but not to get to work,
not like a commute.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
That does sound quite extreme. It sounds dangerous at that
time in the morning. With fairies, you know, you just
take one caculation and all of a sudden it's like, oops,
what was that.
Speaker 5 (33:54):
Propeller to be fair that's happened.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
But anyway, okay, right, okay, let's move on.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Hey, just on the sailing thing. So, I mean, you
guys might not be into this, the America's cut to
be host in Italy doesn't. For some people that triggers
a bit of an emotional reaction they're doing that. But
I actually just still think that the fact that they
managed to get another challenge it's going in Naples this
time in twenty twenty seven, I think it's phenomenal that
we've still got the cup and we're going to be
(34:18):
putting it. There's going to be a huge event and
hopefully we'll win it again. Are you into the America's
Cup still, Joey you a little bit? Come see comsa.
Speaker 6 (34:24):
I'm not into it when it's not on, and then
when it's on, I'm completely completely compelled by it. In
an expert at SO and an absolute expert in all
things nautical.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
I think that we do see this pattern because you know,
while it's getting ready, you're like, oh, yeah, whatever whatever,
and then all of a sudden the boats at the
water and you're.
Speaker 6 (34:42):
Like, oh wow, they're on the wrong wind there.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
I mean, it will be amazing spectacle. I mean, and
in the end, it's an expensive sport. Now, it's like
if one Formula one and.
Speaker 5 (34:54):
Well their fun teams are invested in some of the
America's cupboats, So Mercedes are part of it, and inios
and that sort of thing. They've all got if one.
Speaker 6 (35:04):
If one on the water.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
Yeah, no, I'm all for Team New Zealand. Go them.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
I heard some people saying, oh, it's professional, they don't
care about New Zealand.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
It's like, well, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
If you look at the amount of Kiwiana and everything
they invested in the last Cup, with the and the
Mari input as well. I mean, I think they're working
hard to remind everyone they're in New Zealand team and
proud of it.
Speaker 6 (35:25):
And I think the reality is New Zealand is a
long way away. I mean, if this is going to
be a big event, holding it in Italy makes more sense.
You're going to have a lot more teams will be
able to compete in an event that is based out
of Italy.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
What a good excuse for a trip to Italy? What
do you think people should we see? I think we
should have a chat with management here and see Look,
I'll do them a panel. You probably have to do
it in the middle of the night to be fair.
Speaker 5 (35:47):
That's okay, I could live with it.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Let's have to go out to an Italian restaurant and
have a couple of lazy reds and then that'll be
a fun Oh my goodness, hopefully, Brook van Velden and
Andrew Mansa mean haven't been talking because I'm like, you know, anyway.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
Yeah, I don't know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
It's time to have another cup of teina, lie down,
or maybe we'll have one up this time. It's eleven
minutes to four news Talks. He'd b yes with I'm
Tim beverage with Pete wolf Camp and Joe McCarroll.
Speaker 4 (36:11):
Lucky.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Last topic, This is courtesy of you peaked actually but really, Yes,
I read the headline for this and I thought this
seemed a bit strange and I'm waiting for you to
mansplain it to me. Bilbis Planet the Auckland Mount Eden
villa owns this is the headline told that double glazed
windows violate heritage rules. Now I'm wondering if there's something
we're missing here, because.
Speaker 4 (36:35):
But yeah, so what's this? What is the story behind
this painte there he goes, he's winding up long run up.
Speaker 5 (36:42):
I just I despair to be fair. So I read
the article this morning online and thought, m that doesn't
sound right. Council have no problem with double glazing, right.
Let me be clear, and I've for thirty odd years
I've basically specialized in heritage work. There is nothing to
stop you doing double glazing in a villa or a
(37:04):
bunk below with double hung sash windows. What there is
is a problem of ripping out perfectly good timber sashes
and replacing them.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Amum, oh so that's missing, yes, and the headline anyway, it.
Speaker 5 (37:17):
Gets mentioned later on, so misleading, deceptive headline. There's a
lot more to the story. You know. The owners of
the house should have known better, as far as I'm concerned.
And the Resource Management Act, which protects in part heritage areas.
This is exactly why the Resource Management Act is there.
(37:40):
It's a good thing. If we're going to look after heritage,
we need to stop people doing that sort of thing.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
For the double glazed part, the unit that's the double
glazed unit doesn't just need to be surrounded. It doesn't
need to be surrounded by aluminium, does it.
Speaker 5 (37:53):
You can put it in new PVC, you can put
it in timber, you can put it in aluminum.
Speaker 6 (37:57):
I wonder, though, Pete, if you put it in timber,
which is completely permitted, would it be more expensive, because
it strikes me that the owner of that he just
did the cheapest job possible.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Well, you've got a heritage house, you know. When they're
so sign up, it's a bit like you know the rules, it's.
Speaker 5 (38:14):
I mean, I've seen it done and I've been part
of doing it. So you take a timber sash, you
deepen the reveals, you put in a double glazed unit,
and you put the timber sash back in and as
for Alex Wooden Hannah the lawyer acting for the family
who I happen to know, talking about double glazing being
environmentally best practice. Yes, true, the DJ unit does perform
better than a single glazed unit, but aluminium performs worse
(38:37):
than timber, So throwing out the timber and replacing it
with aluminium, if it's standard aluminum not thermly broken, will
mean that it performs worse than it did before virgo
putting in double glazing.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
And you can tell from this it does look a
little bit.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
It's got a touch of its touch of tack heads
to it, right.
Speaker 5 (38:54):
And what's not in the print article is the photographs
that are online which shows that the bottom is an
awning hung window.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
Right.
Speaker 5 (39:03):
So I just looked at that and thought, to be fair,
there's no excuse. It's it's terrible work done poorly.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Do you live an heritage, Yes, I think you've nailed that, Pete,
I don't think do you have anything contribute on that?
Speaker 5 (39:18):
Like I feel like I feel we might talk about
it tomorrow on the show. Well, I'm rather exercised about it.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
It's just one of those things where and I know
that you know, with the headlines and stuff. But it
was it's a headline designed to get you to read it,
I guess, because it leaves out the pertinent fact which
might have been going well, I agree with it, but
there we go.
Speaker 5 (39:36):
Except the problem with the headline is that if someone
reads the headline, reads the first two paragraphs, they'll think, oh,
I can't put double glazing into an old villa and
make it more energy efficient. The realities you can.
Speaker 6 (39:48):
Yeah, you can use double glazing to meet your healthy
home standards and you're beautiful.
Speaker 4 (39:52):
Just don't just don't have an rum, don't change the.
Speaker 5 (39:56):
Yeah, don't ruin the aesthetics of the appearance.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
What's the reveal, by the way, what's that reveal?
Speaker 4 (40:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (40:03):
Just anything. We're sit back, so beautiful. Thing about double
hunk sash windows is you've got the top one that
sits up and forward, and then the other one sits
behind it, right, So there's there's depth to the windows,
and what you look at there is this flat surface
with all of the joinery in line.
Speaker 4 (40:19):
Good on you, Thank you, Pete.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
So when you see that article, people don't get as
wound up as you want to be by the headline.
Hey Joe, and yes, Joe McCarroll and Pete Wolfkin. Lovely
to see you guys again, great great work today, some
tricky topics, stellar job guys.
Speaker 4 (40:36):
Nice to see you.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
Love to see you guys, and don't forget New Zealand
Gardener magazine out now Relunculous on the cover. We'll be
back shortly with the One roof radio show talking about renters,
landlords versus tenants.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
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