July 26, 2025 • 40 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
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Speaker 2 (00:54):
I had a very good afternoon to you. That's I'm
Tim Beverage. Welcome to the Weekend Collective this Saturday, the
twenty sixth of July. Looking forward to the company right
through it or six o'clock you can get all. Also,
of course, it's audience participation in the subsequent hours after
four o'clock and just looking a little bit of further ahead.
I'll be introducing my panel in a tack but looking
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forward to after four for the one roof radio show.
Helen O. Sullivan joins us. She's CEO of real estate
at Velocity and rents have gone down for the first
time in sixteen years since two thousand and nine. What's
going on and does it And we also might if
we've got time to have a touch on that topic
about the potential return of foreign bars to the market,
depending on what's announced by in New Zealand first, but
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it looks like there's going to be some changes in there.
After five to four of the Parents Squad Sarah Chatwin's
with us and we're going to talk about it. How
do you handle the relationship when your kids have their
first relationships? How do you handle that stage? The public
displays of affection, the secret displays of affection, And if
we got time, we might talk about whether you can
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actually tell off someone else's child. I do love that one.
I can see my panelists one almost want to have
their say on that one. They've started whispering amongst themselves.
And shortly before sex will be wrapping Sport with Nathan
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might have a little bit of a chat about the
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It is eight minutes past.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Three, parenting, property, politics plus money, health and the week's debates.
It's all on the Weekend Collective with Tim Beveridge us
talk savvy.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
It is, indeed, and in no particular order. I'm just
scanning left to right. It has nothing to do with
silveriness or beards or facial hair or age or height
or anything or weight. Just scanning left to right sounds
like it's got everything to do with.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
All those things.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
That's part krysola.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Gooday, you're looking at the photo.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Weird How your your eyes stopped on me after all
those words.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Actually, no, no, no, they stopped on you because you
have I'm trying to remember the French expression, but it
means you do you do have a certain presence about
you you. Oh yeah, that's sick. Yeah, I think it's
maybe it's the eyebrows, which are you know, it looked
like they like a like a nice hoar frost and
twizel in the winter.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Better than a skid mark on a wrong way.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Oh my goodness, setting the standard where we're sorry with
the Eagles already and with us is I'm just going
to say, that's Pete wolf Camp, so I don't get
in any trouble.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Hi, Pete, how are you doing everything? It's lovely to
be with you. It's very nice to see you.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
But by the way, we were we're playing a little
bit of Black Sabbath, not Black Sabbath. That was Ozzy Osborne,
of course, and I thought we'd kick off with just
look he passed away as I don't know how he
had put it krks it or something. I was. He
was a bit of a character I'm not sure. From
a rock and roll point of view, I mean Black Sabbath,
(03:52):
he was the godfather of heavy metal. But of course
for many people he was known as being involved in
that early foray into reality TV, which is how a
lot of in fact that was probably persistent and asked
his fame. But I was surprised he lasted that long
because you know, drugs and alcohol and everything Parkinson's in
the last few years he was. You know, he does
(04:13):
his final few years pretty tough, didn't he, Mark, Yeah,
he did.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
He did a lot of cheating of death, I think
to get to this stage.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
Yea, The Prince of Darkness was at his name, that
was nicknamed the Prince of Darkness.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
You're an old met Ler Pete. No, No, I was joking.
I know you.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Anyway.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Look, it's just a great character. Yeah, a really great character.
Speaker 5 (04:37):
And I think the really from what I understand, he
did that concert what two and a half three weeks ago.
It's sort of the fifteen Days fifteen days ago. Yeah,
and then it raised one hundred and eighty million dollars.
There's some wow, staggering number.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
I think that's fjority, but that's The thing that amazes
me sometimes when someone's passed away and you I mean,
it's seriously, how was he doing. I know he was
sitting in an arm chair when he did it, but
he was letting it all rip by the clips that
I saw, and it does. It's still a amazes me
how you can see someone who still seems to have
so much sort of in it. I don't know, he
seemed to be so lively and to do a concert
(05:14):
that's not something you do a couple of weeks before
you pass away.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
I saw Prince here in Auckland two weeks before he died,
and I was so struck by how could somebody.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
So vital die?
Speaker 2 (05:27):
You know?
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Two weeks later it was incredible and he was, you know,
a lot younger than nausey when he died. So, you know,
I think there must be something, tim, you must know
something about this, like being on stage and just actually
how that must lift you in some way.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Ah oh yeah, I mean you can't sort of just
be Yeah, you're never going to feel when you walk
on stage if you've had a bad night's sleep. The
symptoms of that bad night's sleep will not be present
when you walk out on the stage, you know you
might be I feel so naked. I always used to
feel that nervous energy and my Phantom of the Opera
days when I was going on for the as the
Phantom during the afternoon, I would, in fact, my mum
(06:06):
would have told you. I used to call and say, God,
I don't feel very well. I feel sick. And it
was because I was conserving energy as well. And it
would be I couldn't control it. I literally feel like God,
I feel dreadful. And it wasn't and it wasn't nerves.
It was just something I was. My body would just
subconsciously make me shut down until seven thirty and all
of a sudden, I be.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
Like, whoa, and where we go?
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Anyway? I just remember we did a bit of talkback
on this on the wee Small Hours that he bit
the head of a bat yep twice, actually twice? What twice?
Because I didn't he think it was not the same
the second time.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
The first time I think he's completely out off his brain.
But the second time somebody threw.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
One on the stage.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
He thought it was fake, thought it was fake, and
bitt into it and then realized it was blood in
his mouth. Oh my God, I've just seen a meme
of Ossie arriving in head in Heaven holding a dove
and God is going.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
No, it's quite good. Actually, Actually somebody mentioned because he
had to have a rabies shot as a result, and
then we did a whole night of talk about well
not a whole night, but talking about him. How do
not try and avoid ever having to have a rabies shot,
because apparently it's very unpleasant.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Yeah, you've got to have a whole whole lot of them,
don't you? And your stomacher.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Actually you've been all sorts of things in your life.
You must have had a rabies shot at.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
But hey, it's the day is still young, okay?
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Anyway, r I p Ozzy Osborne and yeah.
Speaker 5 (07:41):
Interestingly enough, on the same day Chuck Mangioni died.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Come on, Chuck Mangi.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Jazz musician Flugelhorn Plan.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
I know the name. I couldn't have told you of some.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
Music, some music just going back to the stage thing
when he was like, you know how he performed just
before he died. It's interesting to read the bit columns
the number of famous people who die just after Christmas
in New Years, and I feel is something that people
will hang on a little bit longer, yes, just to
get over events and so everybody's together and things like that.
(08:20):
And then maybe maybe the exertion of that of going
on stage for Rossie was the final straw.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Well, you know, died with his boots on.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Yeah, that's that's the one. Yeah. Although I gather, I mean,
Parkinson's is a horrendous disease, and you know, I gather
the last few years from we're pretty pretty tough work.
So anyway, look, hey, how many times have you guys
talked about butter and your casual conversations in the last week, two, three, four, five, whatever.
Because we had Buttergate, we have have Nicola Willis Barron
(08:52):
to get at the bottom of it, which is ironic
considering she didn't she used to work for one, and
then she's told us that while the global market sets
the price, it's the lack of serious, serious supermarket competition.
Then we saw the I thought Myles Harrl being sort
of door stopped on his way to a meeting was
was not so it wasn't.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
T's finest was a fair I think the Finance Minister
made a target of him. She singled him out, She
created that. I mean, Mikey was probably just doing her job.
You know that you've got a lot of steps to
go through before you're allowed to do those things on TV.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
You can't just rock up and do them.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
She created this guy is like almost like a public enemy,
and it was like as pushing things away as this
government often does. It's not our fault at somebody else's,
but she set him up. He was doorstep by a
couple of people afterwards. In many ways, Myles Harrel and
Fonterra are heroes in New Zealand. They're keeping the country afloat.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Well, we are only.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
The off the backs of our farmers and our dairy sector.
At the moment, New Zealand is actually actually saying a
float yes, yes, and I got to be celebrated.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
I don't think I saw the subsequent appearance when he
was interviewed. He did a stand up about where everything,
how everything was going, and I don't think I was
quite completely neutral about him and thinking, oh, well, look
it's unfortunate we've got to pay this for butter and
it's become this sticking point. But I didn't think in
the clips that I saw of his interview it went
had a tinge of Marie Antoinette about it. It's like, well,
(10:24):
if the consumers, you know, people can't afford it, they
have to make more choices, maybe just buy less butter.
But we've got a little clip of them for your
listening pleasure.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
Do you actually.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
Understand what it's like for consumers to go to the
supermarket and face these prices?
Speaker 5 (10:38):
Absolutely? I was in the supermarket myself last night.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
What do you get paid?
Speaker 5 (10:42):
It's not about what I get paid, but what do
you get paid by you in your report which comes
out a few months time.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Just under six million dollars.
Speaker 5 (10:50):
It's about what.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
We can do to support the news on economy.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
I mean the way it's like by going to the
supermarket when you're on six million bucks a year is.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
Probably not the way he should have had. But it
doesn't matter what he earns. I mean, he's paid big bucks.
He's turned that company around and he's and they're doing
really well. And I think, you know, it's probably value
for money that shouldn't matter. If we're making money on
our dairy products overseas, that means everybody pays those prices.
They're playing the same prices as broad as we are here.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
I think people just feel I mean, I know what
your take on this is, Pete, and I understand all
those arguments, and I broadly agree with them, but it
does just seem to be. Look, it's great that farmers
are doing well and we're only five percent of the market.
He was asked, you know, and he said, look, it's
only five percent of the market, but it's not We're
not in the business of given discounts, and that's the
way it is. But we used to have subsidies for that.
(11:39):
I think it's just become but most of them come
I sort of post of anyway, Pete, what do you reckon?
Speaker 5 (11:44):
I mean, look, there's a fairly convincing argument to say
that if you know, we're paying what the world pays
for butter, and how butter is attractive to the rest
of the world and they want to pay high prices,
then we end up as well. And I'm not sure
what mechanism, what lever you could pull to sort of,
you know, take a couple of percent of what goes
overseas and keep it here and sell it at a lower price.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
You've got to be careful with that too, because, like
you know, we want to be free traders. We want
to sell into companies countries that don't have tariffs or
or special agreements so their own goods are cheaper than
everybody else's. I mean, this is the sort of thing
that could get your attention in the White House.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Why why is it? I mean, we pay more for
lots of things. I mean, obviously the expression it's just
bread and butter. I mean it's the simplest of staples
and many many people's minds. Why has butter become such
an emotional sticking point for New Zealanders.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
I wonder whether it's one of those things that we're
used to paying I don't know, five bucks a block
or something remembers, you know, and now we're paying twice
that and and then I suppose as these things get
drummed out in the media, it becomes a focus of attention.
I mean, in all honesty, do you look.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
At the price?
Speaker 5 (12:50):
I know, are you bake right so you.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Might use price?
Speaker 5 (12:54):
Yeah? Or do you just go it's what I need
and I'm going to have to pay for it?
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Isn't costing a lot of dough for you to bake?
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Now? I just know that it's you know, lots of
arguments being used on this is all for this is
all good for the economy, and when the property market
was going gangbusters, and people would say, oh, that's just
what the market's doing. And you know, you've got to
realize there is a bit of pushback. They talk about
it's going to it's great for you, for us all,
but if the average person who's struggling to make ends
meat sees, you know, Miles Harris saying, understand how what
(13:23):
a struggler is. His answer was basically, well, consumers will
have to make decisions accordingly. Maybe they'll just have to
buy less.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Well, how much do you use butter or you're a baker? No, actually,
I mean do you use it on your toast?
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Year?
Speaker 3 (13:38):
But they're cheaper alternatives.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
To be honest, if you're really worried about if you've
got a family of four, the price of milk going
up would be the thing you'd notice because you went
through that. You know, there's that block of butter. If
you're not baking, you just iminated on your toast probably
last year, you know, reasonable length of time. Anyway, Look,
we've talked about it again apparently, but the weird butter
was said in politics are a number of times last week.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Yeah, Look, everybody's hurting at the moment.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
You know, if you look at the latest polls, you
know the government's not doing very well, and then they're
looking around for ways to divert attention as well. I mean,
at some stage somebody has to take responsibility for this.
It was kicked down Miles Hurrell and Fonterra coopped it
and then it became about the supermarkets again. So in
a roundabout way, it was another way to give the
(14:22):
supermarkets a good Well, if.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
They really want to give us a break, they should
just bring back subsidies. But that's not the way we're on.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
That's what used to happen in some countries like Australia.
In European countries, basic goods pay far less GST or
none at all, So maybe they look at something like that,
but they have completely different Then.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
We've got to as well. We've got to change tax
and all that sort of thing. It's just the way.
Speaker 5 (14:43):
It does get phenomenally complicated though, doesn't it. Because if
you're then a takeaway bar owner and you buy your butter,
and your butter becomes part of a sandwich that you sell.
It's part of a commercial transaction. It's not domestic. And
then how do you separate that out mate?
Speaker 3 (14:56):
If the Aussies can do it, surely we.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Can do it anyway. We just had to have our
say on that. And look, it's good news that farmers
are doing well. I don't mind that at all.
Speaker 5 (15:06):
And the other thing too, is if there is genuinely
excessive profits to be made. Let's say, in the manufacturer
of butter, why aren't we seeing a small manufacturer go hey,
look I can make butter and I'll sell it for
thirty percent least.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Oh, there are smaller there are smaller companies that do
it as well. I don't know. Is it cheaper, well no,
why would they offer it cheaper when they can charge more.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
That's the thing.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
It's like, I'm going to set up a smaller company
and make less money. By the way, eight and a
half thousand farmers after you've divided twenty five billion, that's
three million a farm. Pretty good. I know. Farm is expensive.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
It's it's not good.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
It's tough, that's the thing. Yeah, And there'll be people
screaming at me, going, yeah, when things do get tough, then,
I don't know. Let's leave them alone. There we go,
pour up Miles, though I don't. I'm worried about how
he's going to pay for his baking six million and
twenty thousand dollars a week. How long do you have
to work to make hundred twenty third? No, don't answer that.
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None of my business. Twenty two past three will be
back in just a moment. Wow, there we go. This
is the music that Pete wolf Camp puts on when
he's in the mood. Lovers in the Air with Chuck
(16:21):
Mangioni and Pete wolf Camp. Welcome to the Weekend, Beautiful,
you've just joined us. Welcome to the weeknd Collective, Pete
wolf Camp, Mark Kreisl My guests today, Now, guys, are
the electoral law overhaul, which includes ending same day enrollment
and clarity, also on treats for voters. In other words,
don't have a sausage sissor outside or sell donuts and
(16:43):
say come in here and vote while you're wearing this
sort of out there. They're reinstating a total bound on
prisoner voting, and I gather that one of the reasons
is that it just takes too long to process all
the votes be honest, I didn't get too excited about this.
I think you're excited about voting, then just vote whatever
the deadline is, Mark.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
I think this is a.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Bad I think we need to encourage more people to vote,
not fewer. Okay, some people might take their time getting
ready and it take might take long to count the
votes and things like that, but beef up that part
of it. What's most important here is that most New
Zealanders have an opportunity to get out and vote. And
if they have to register on the day, then that's it.
I mean, they just didn't get their act together before.
(17:26):
It doesn't mean they're bad citizens whatever.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Well they've already been demonized.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
But I mean, you know we've got a problem in
this country and that people aren't actually contributing or taking
part in democracy enough, and now you're taking away another
pathway for them to do it.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Well, the thing is here, you go actually throwing Pete
Wolfcamp's got an amusing look on his face to me.
Speaker 5 (17:51):
I mean, I agree with you. We want more people
to participate in particularly with upcoming local body elections. And
what is thirty six percent of people voting in local body?
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Don't even think it's that even be that high.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
Right, So I want to see more and more people vote.
But at the same time, there should be an obligation
on us to get our act together and so knowing
you know, I mean, who know, who doesn't know that
a general elections coming? Who doesn't know that they need
if they are interested, they should register. And if you're
the sort of person that leaves it until the last day, really,
what's your excuse?
Speaker 4 (18:22):
I mean, well, there are excuses that that you know,
some people may be may have moved and they haven't
caught up with them. Maybe some people when you moved
the day before or no, you were moving, but it's
possible some people are transient. You know, there are a
bunch of people that that don't that that don't really
have their lives in order completely. And to me, it's
(18:44):
just taking away an option that should be there to
allow more people to vote. Why are we making it
harder for people to change?
Speaker 2 (18:51):
I don't think you're making it harder. You just no, no, no,
you're just just raise our people. But how many people
would sort their act out? For instance, if there was
a snap election, right, if somebody suddenly lux and says
I'm calling a snap election as an election of three weeks,
you would have to vote in three weeks time, even
though hang on a minute, this is going to be
earlier than I was planning for. So the elections in
(19:13):
three weeks or whatever. People would manage to do it
because there's simply a date to do something by, because otherwise,
you follow that argument. People who don't manage to enroll
and turn up on election day could argue, oh, look,
election day, I wasn't quite ready. Can you give me
another few days to vote? Just simply do a vote,
and if you can't manage it, then bugger off.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
You know what I do.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
For the one hundred and twenty people that you're talking about,
one hundred and twenty thousand that register on the day,
how many of those.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
People would would now they.
Speaker 5 (19:41):
Have not registered before, or are we talking about people
who are only newly eligible to vote who haven't been registered.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
It'll be all let pete. There could be a bunch
of them. There could be people voting for the first time.
There could be people who have pulled out of the
process for whatever reason. Look, I don't know the reasons.
All I know that that's a lot. I just think
they can taking those.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
People I just think you'd manage it if there was
a snap election. We've managed to turn up early, wouldn't we.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
Yeah, we would, But there are other people that wouldn't.
And there's still New Zealanders. They still have a vote,
they still have should have the opposite opportunity to everybody.
That's a beautiful thing about democracy. Everybody has the same power,
and we're taking the power. And the other reason that
that seems slightly fishy. They went across, they went against
all the advice that they got.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
And you know the last election, those late.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Votes that came in meant the Center Rights Coalition lost
two seats or National two seats, and Greens and Labor
picked on one each.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Well, those people just vote earlier. They can still cast
their votes and hopefully they're will I mean, that's I
mean anyway.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
Look to me, I guess what I'm taking out of
it is that you know, there is a desperate need
to start teaching civics.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
It's got one hundred percent.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
Yeah, So you know, in that way, citizenship comes with
responsibility as well as rights, and we've we're focused on
the rights as we often do, but we don't talk
a lot about the responsibilities. Of being a citizen and
being active.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Responsibility is to vote, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (21:07):
Yeah, yeah, it means that your responsibility is.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
I think to state is to make sure I mean
that the online registration, all those sorts of things, to
make it as easy as possible for people to do
things by whatever date it needs to be done. And
that was the most important thing.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
And I think the technology is there now. So I mean,
have you registered for real me for example? Yep, yeah,
you've probably have. I have, so you know, we've already.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Been asked my past word.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
There's already a facility that the government knows a great
deal about us, right, whether that's a good thing or
a bad thing, it's there, right, So why aren't we
making more use of that in order for people to
partake in democracy?
Speaker 4 (21:43):
I mean talking about the Aussies again, I do what
they do is just make it illegal not to vote,
the compulsory to vote.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Yeah, I mean, you get a far more stable government
have you do that.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
But I just I still just err on the side
of freedom of choice. If I don't want to vote,
you know, I mean, well, do you not want to roll?
Speaker 3 (22:00):
You have to enroll?
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Yeah, Now, that's the point that is a strange law.
It's you have to enroll, but you don't have to vote.
I mean, it's funny that there's compulsion around any of it.
And I do not understand the arguments the argument for that.
Do you any of you people you have to enroll?
Speaker 4 (22:17):
Why do you get out and vote everybody? I mean,
people fought hard for the right for everybody to vote.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Will you be voting in the local body elections, by
the way, you bitcher? You always do, do you? And
will you know much about the people you're voting for?
I mean we know a bit about Wayne Brown, of course.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
Well you always get a pack with all the information
about them and you read that before you vote.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
I always want that's the thing. If somebody's got a
good looking prospectus, it doesn't really tell you whether they've
got any brains, just tells you that you know that
chat GPT write a nice biography all the synthesis.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Out your local counselors.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
Do you know your local board representation?
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Yeah? Yeah, well I know Deasley because I've met her
as well.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
So what about local board name drop?
Speaker 2 (22:57):
I wouldn't have a clue, right, what what do you
want me to say?
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (23:04):
I do.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Warder it what.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Vaguely vaguely whatever one It says at the top of
the form.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Get your act together. You're a role model.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
I think it's Iraqi is it?
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Can someone please check?
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Yeah, I've got to check that. Oh, Tyra is looking
all offended just because you're so so electorally active, Tyra,
that's my producer, That's what I'm saying. Anyway, Hey, hey,
there's a letter from a bunch of healthcare workers, including
specialist GPS, nurses, paramedics, have sign an open letter to
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MPs asking them to waive private healthcare during their time
in office because they should have faith in the health system.
If they don't, they should basically improve it. They should
not allow themselves to insulate themselves against the consequences. Anyway, Look,
if I was a Minister of the Crown, I don't
care what job. Then if I can afford health insurance,
(24:03):
I'm keeping it. Whatever you wear, you guys with us.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
It's a little bit like asking Miles Harrel how much
he gets paid, isn't it You're insinuating that he because
he makes so much money, he doesn't understand what it's
like for people who have to buy butter. I mean,
this is possibly, as health workers are saying, if you're
getting private insurance, you don't understand how dire it is
for many in the public system.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
I think they understand. Actually, night, Actually here's the opposite
of that. I think they do understand how tough it is,
which is why they have the private healthcare.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Well that's not very good, is it?
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Well? I know, but it's just a fact of life.
The health system is always always going to be under stress.
Speaker 5 (24:38):
But isn't that you flip that around and go the
fact that some people either choose or are able, or
for whatever reason, have private medical insurance, which means that
they are relieving the public system of the stress of
looking after them in the event that they need medical attention.
Is there a downside to that?
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Don't know, Mark, I was looking for you to your wisdom.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
My wisdom just left the room. You got.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Well.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
Is there a flip side to it? It depends.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
I mean, in some ways it's a good position to
be in the moment, because we are starting the public
system is starting to use the private system.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
To catch up.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
But you don't really want to Tier New Zealand either,
you want you know, you know, it's the same argument
around private schools and public schools. You know, money that's
not as being diverted to those other areas doesn't help everybody,
It just helps a certain few.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
I must I would love the health system to be
rocking so much that we didn't need private health insurance.
But I've got to say it's costing more and more
for me, and at the moment, I'm sort of on that,
and I just think, oh, no, the time when you
get so expensive, it is probably the time when you
need it. So I'm a bit superstitious about that. What
about you, Pete?
Speaker 5 (25:52):
Yeah, I've taken a slight different approach, but I'm going
to here, But.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
That sounds like they would.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
But why do I just look at it?
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Go?
Speaker 5 (26:05):
You know, private individuals are taking responsibility for their own
healthcare by taking out their own health insurance and potentially
relieving the public system of the burden of looking after them.
Where's the downside?
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Oh? If that would be like you're hosting a it
sounds like we're inviting calls on that. Well, we'll get
a few texts on that, but guess what, We'll let
people sit down, have a cup of tea and reflect
on this while we take a quick moment to regroup
and come back with more scintillating, scintillating and informed opinion.
This is the Weekend Collective, Mark Kreisel and Pete wolf
Camp and my guess I'm Tim Beverage. It is twenty
(26:42):
three and a half minutes to four, back in a tick.
Just welcome back to the Weekend Collective. Yeah, that's a
little bit of oussie. I think that Black Sabbath Ozzy
(27:03):
Osbourne isn't it well from the Weekend Collective just joined us,
Pete wolf Camp and Mark krazelm. I guess I'm Tim Beverage.
And oh, just a quick one on this the rise
in acc gym related claims because people doing strength training,
heavier training, and there's been this discussion about whether people
should be covered or something by injuries at the gym
(27:25):
and things like that. But I mean, to me, I
just sort of think acc acc is acc and you
just can't meddle with it, can you, Mark.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Well, they meddle with it all the time. I mean
in terms of entitlement. You know, yeah, it's a sports.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
Injury, right, and you're actually there, you know, not intending
to injure yourself. So I assume. So, yeah, yeah, you
would have fucking around with it.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
You would have injured yourself a few times with a
bit of four B two swing in a normal direction. Oh,
I don't know how I put that.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Yeah, yeah, no, I have.
Speaker 5 (27:56):
What I find intriguing though, is if it's fifty million
dollars for fifty thousand gym injury claims falls from ladders,
guess how much?
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Oh how much? Oh that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
It's quite common.
Speaker 5 (28:08):
Last time I looked at it, it was seventy six
million dollars.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Oh. Do you know?
Speaker 4 (28:12):
The interesting thing with acc though, is most of the
money goes through about three percent of the claimants. It's
those long term injuries, like people who who need twenty
four hour tetraplegics, paraplegics, those sorts of things.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Is very intense. I actually think of that every time
because I've got a two story and I've got an
extension that no no, and I'm very very careful, but
my wife hates me ga up the ladder to get
on the roof, right. But I just I just tell
myself every rung to pay attention to, because it's because
it's just that moment where.
Speaker 5 (28:46):
You think the golden rule of being on a ladder,
tim don't fall off.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
No.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Three points of contact, three points of contact.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
And two feet.
Speaker 5 (28:56):
I think I'm going to put two hands on.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
I'm grapping onto that thing like you're a full point.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
To use your thighs to. You can't climb it that way.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
There anyway, I guess look at that. If you are
listening to this and you join it, and if you
are going to the gym and you're doing some strength training,
just don't do it to it. Listen and listen to
the Health Hub because we have some great people on
the show, including Alex Flint and Greg Payne, who will
just talk talk about easing into the workout. If you're
(29:27):
once we're a sporting legend, and you decide to go
back to the gym, don't go and try and lift
the weight you lifted ten years ago when you're at
your peak, which I think. I wonder how often it
must have silly middle aged people.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
Well they're great song by Little Feet, old Folks boogie
when your mind tells you something in your body says.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Is that a song?
Speaker 4 (29:48):
Yeah, great song, great title for the song, old folks boogie,
Hey on the phone.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
I quite like this. Next one, and it's sort of
the opposite of I won'der know if it's the opposite
of buttergate, but Parisian waiters who have it says long
been famous for be grumpy, and I'm not sure I
would necessarily agree with that. I think if anyway, an
investigation now that there were these journalists who went to
(30:14):
a cafe and they're both French, and one of them
dressed up like the cliche American tourist with the Eiffel
Tower T shirt put on, apparently an American accent.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
That's good, I love with a bit of a French to.
We still had a French to I loved.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
That anyway, and found that clearly French. Then and another
one went as a clearly French person whatever that looks like.
And I'm sure it didn't mean they had a bere aon,
but anyway, the clearly French customer was served a can
of coke for six fifty and offered a caraffe of
water with his dish. Meanwhile, the quote American was only
(30:48):
offered the large coke at a cost of nine euro fifty,
so fifty percent more, and received no caraffe and had
to fork out another six euro for a small bottle
of vittel. And basically so there's this seems to be
this contempt shown by French people, French waiters. For obviously Americans.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
May have brought it upon the look, I think, are
they French onto something?
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Here?
Speaker 4 (31:15):
There's a couple of things here. First, a can of coke.
The normal price is twelve.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
And a half dollars.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
That's insane.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Well, I guess in a cafe.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
You were in the American The American paid eighteen dollars.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Yeah, they were offered a lot. They weren't offer the
option of a smaller one, so they were still charged
the right price. They just weren't oh you can't have
a small It's just like, yes, here it is, and
they deliberately sold them the most expensive thing.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
So this happens all over over the world.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
I remember being in the on an island off the
coast of Bali called Nusulamboggan back in the eighties, and
it was a famous serf spot. You'd only get there
by like a sort of out rigger canoe. We were
staying over there, and there's one village where you stayed
and they had this big blackboard with the prices of.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
Everything on it.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
And one day the village elder was looking out his
binoculars he saw this boatload of Japanese surface turning up,
and he just ran over to the blackboard.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
And doubled them. He made a killing on that day.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Do we have it? Do we have it away here
where we would charge people? Should we charge American tourists
more just because they chose a stupid president? Good idea, Yeah,
there we go. I just said that because we.
Speaker 5 (32:34):
Had a similar thing. We were in France and went
into a little chocolate shop and you know, said and
then maybe order in English. Yes, that's fine. We bought
some hot chocolate, which was But then, you know, an
American tourist wanders in, doesn't acknowledge the fact that they're
in France at all and just start speaking loudly in
(32:55):
American to the to the shop staff who just looked
at them blankly and didn't take their order. He took
our order in English.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
Did you just describe his language as America?
Speaker 5 (33:05):
Yes, as opposed to English?
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Whether actually no, there is something in that, because I
mean I've had a couple of holidays, one with the
family and one with my wife to France, and you
hear stories about the French, and you know what, we
went and we made an effort wherever we went to
at least say bonjours or Commossava or something like that,
or speak a little bit if you we'd learned a bit.
(33:27):
And we never had anything other than delightful, friendly service
everywhere we went, even the most hackneyed tourist spots. You
make it, you connect, You look people in the eye,
and you make an attempt. And I think that's a
lesson to anyone wherever they go, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
French pretty fond of Kiwis. They do like us, even
though they blew up a boat now Harbor, but they still, well,
not the whole nation, well only the people representing them. Yes, yes,
hard to brush that one under the Actually, the.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Most tourist friendly destination you've been to, you reckon both
of you, guys, chaps.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Tourists friendly or traveler friendly, I.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Mean, okay, traveler friendly. I think the most mark krais
or friendly place.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
Gosh, I love them all, to be honest. I mean,
Islamic countries are very friendly. They're very welcoming. It's a
big part of the part of the culture to welcome
in travelers. And to look after them and then try
and sell them.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
A carpet Japan. I've heard it is excellent.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
A Japan's good.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
I wonder how people view New Zealanders when they come here.
She find us friendly.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
She I remember backpacking and ending up in some place
in Turkey, and there were guys hopping on the bus
trying to get us on the train as we went
into the station, and trying to get us to stay
in their hotels and things like that.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
We're bartering them down all the time, and they're just bloody.
Kiwi's always looking for.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Are you good at bartering? Yeah? God, I don't think
I'd be very good bartering because I like to be
agreeable and people say in certain countries you you just
got to off them. Half feel like I'm insulted.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
You know.
Speaker 4 (35:06):
The toughest travelers for bartering who Israeli's oh my god,
they're brutal.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
They are so tough and they're bartering.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Wow, let's not get onto Israel and right now I'm.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Not going there. But that's they're.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
Just yeah, I'll travel with a bunch. I mean they're
really good. We got great deals, but they know how
to do it right.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Hey, by the way, just quickly before we head to
the break that it's amazed that there's Paul Goldsmith, the
Justice Manager Ministers, talking about how outrageous it is that
class A drugs appear to be getting pedled on Facebook marketplace,
and he's going to be seeking an explanation. I mean
that mark magic mushrooms, cannabis. They look like a tab
(35:52):
of LSD tablets. I kind of get my head around
this book because I would.
Speaker 5 (35:56):
Have thought, I presume the listing doesn't say cocaine for sale.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
No, there's some code.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
It will show a photo of some and then it'll
encourage people to connect with them on this encrypted text
app Telegram for a full menu one full menu seen
by the Herald off for psychedelics, cannabis, cocaine, MDMA and ketamine.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
I guess I.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Would never if I was into buying drugs, I would
have thought the last place you'd look for it be
on Facebook, because he'd be waiting to put it to
be a sting or something.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
This is a bit of a while west the market,
these social media marketplaces. I mean there's a lot, a
hell of a lot of these banking scams originate from here,
and they're not that well regulated. You know, Goldsmith's talking
about doing something about it. But further on he talks
also about how difficult it is in what he calls
the global situation at the moment, which is anything that
(36:48):
seemed to be anti in American company can be seen
as as provocative in this tariff regime that we're living
in under at the moment. So yeah, I don't know
how far he's going to go with this.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
Bye.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
By the way, now you mentioned but Trump. Did you
see the South Park episode of Trump? Apparently he has gone
full nuclear. Having that that's the White House is not pleased,
and it bangs on about the insufficiency of one particular
part of his anatomy quite a lot, and the cgi
of him stagging through the desert in his underwear. It
(37:23):
looks real, except we know it's not.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
Of course.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Anyway, Hey, look, we better take a break. We'll be
back in just The ticket is ten minutes to four
news talk'd b Yes, welcome back to my panel on
Tim Bevery to Pete wolf Camp and Mark Kreisle with me, guys,
this story caught my attention for a couple of reasons.
So Lotto is beefing up regulations to avoid international on sale.
So they've blocked a global gambling syndicate from buying tickets
for big dollar Lotto powerball draws, which I thought was curious.
(37:48):
I mean, who's going to really get into the incredibly
long odds of winning lotto? But anyway, they banned that.
They banned international gambling syndicates from doing it. The thing
that stood out for me was the reminder that they're
going to that they're thinking of introducing another ball to
lot on and making the odds even longer. So you
have fine blocked the international gambling syndicates, But as for
(38:09):
making the odds longer, no thanks, it's hard enough as
it is.
Speaker 4 (38:12):
I mean, that's my retirement plans gone too, because I
know I'm going to win, Yes, eventually.
Speaker 5 (38:19):
Possibly tonight.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Well it's possible.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
I do you have to buy a ticket?
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Yeah? Meet us halfway, Pete, buy the ticket on my
way home. What do you make of this, Peete?
Speaker 5 (38:30):
I can't comprehend global gambling syndicates buying tickets in the
hope of winning and thinking that's in some way a
good investment.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
It just seems strange to me doing it.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
Yeah, actually, I think there are.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
Some lotteries where you can't buy overseas as well. There
are some really big lotteries the States. You have to
be a resident, and you have to be resident actually
to be honest, they want the money to stay in
New Zealand, and I'm sort of okay with that. I
just want to win.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
I mean, it's one.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
I mean, the great thing about lotto is what the
money the profits go to. I mean it is actually
like I never win, but I feel good that I've
actually maybe given some money to the arts or a donation.
Speaker 5 (39:10):
Every time I buy a ticket. It's just a donation.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
Well, that's a common sense.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
You're looking at a body.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
I mean, it's the common sense way of looking at it.
It's just a gift to your fellow New Zealanders. Because
if you think of it as an investment, then you
start why haven't I come on, do you know anyone
who's won? Yes, I know someone who's won twenty five mil?
Speaker 1 (39:30):
Wow?
Speaker 3 (39:31):
Yeah, you keep that. Why would they tell you?
Speaker 2 (39:35):
I don't know? I know well that this particular person.
No it wasn't, no, no, it was it was a
colleague of my wife's actually, and yeah, twenty five mil.
I don't think that this particular person felt they were
able to keep it secret because probably had to explain there.
Speaker 5 (39:51):
The ferrari.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Yoush, the fact they've given up and traveled the world.
I don't know, but yeah, worries me that I know someone.
It's like makes it even harder for me to win now,
because what are the odds that I would also win?
But the odds are the same for everyone every time.
Guys like voting, like voting, yes, yes, I mean, gosh,
you know we got to give can buy it? Staff
(40:13):
the politics sometimes, Mark Krasel, I reckon you do? I
reckon you'd hosen.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
You may have a vote to local body. Really, that's
what I want to say.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Watch the space ah, Mark Krazel, Who's he going to
be the next menace? What would he be? Minister of?
Speaker 3 (40:25):
Make all media great again?
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Good mate?
Speaker 5 (40:30):
Hey, thanks for the embroider to get a cap bakeer.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
Thanks so much. Guys. That wraps the panel. By the way,
if you missed any of it you want to go
and catch up with the fun, go and check out
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twenty sixth of July. Looking forward to the company right
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four o'clock and just looking a little bit of further ahead.
I'll be introducing my panel in a tack but looking
(01:15):
forward to after four for the one roof radio show.
Helen O. Sullivan joins us. She's CEO of real estate
at Velocity and rents have gone down for the first
time in sixteen years since two thousand and nine. What's
going on and does it And we also might if
we've got time to have a touch on that topic
about the potential return of foreign bars to the market,
depending on what's announced by in New Zealand first, but
(01:36):
it looks like there's going to be some changes in there.
After five to four of the Parents Squad Sarah Chatwin's
with us and we're going to talk about it. How
do you handle the relationship when your kids have their
first relationships? How do you handle that stage? The public
displays of affection, the secret displays of affection, And if
we got time, we might talk about whether you can
(01:57):
actually tell off someone else's child. I do love that one.
I can see my panelists one almost want to have
their say on that one. They've started whispering amongst themselves.
And shortly before sex will be wrapping Sport with Nathan
Limb because we've got the Warriors and Titans, and we
might have a little bit of a chat about the
upcoming Wallabies and Lions as well. Welcome to the Weekend Collective.
It is eight minutes past.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Three, parenting, property, politics plus money, health and the week's debates.
It's all on the Weekend Collective with Tim Beveridge us
talk savvy.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
It is, indeed, and in no particular order. I'm just
scanning left to right. It has nothing to do with
silveriness or beards or facial hair or age or height
or anything or weight. Just scanning left to right sounds
like it's got everything to do with.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
All those things.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
That's part krysola.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Gooday, you're looking at the photo.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Weird How your your eyes stopped on me after all
those words.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Actually, no, no, no, they stopped on you because you
have I'm trying to remember the French expression, but it
means you do you do have a certain presence about
you you. Oh yeah, that's sick. Yeah, I think it's
maybe it's the eyebrows, which are you know, it looked
like they like a like a nice hoar frost and
twizel in the winter.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Better than a skid mark on a wrong way.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Oh my goodness, setting the standard where we're sorry with
the Eagles already and with us is I'm just going
to say, that's Pete wolf Camp, so I don't get
in any trouble.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Hi, Pete, how are you doing everything? It's lovely to
be with you. It's very nice to see you.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
But by the way, we were we're playing a little
bit of Black Sabbath, not Black Sabbath. That was Ozzy Osborne,
of course, and I thought we'd kick off with just
look he passed away as I don't know how he
had put it krks it or something. I was. He
was a bit of a character I'm not sure. From
a rock and roll point of view, I mean Black Sabbath,
(03:52):
he was the godfather of heavy metal. But of course
for many people he was known as being involved in
that early foray into reality TV, which is how a
lot of in fact that was probably persistent and asked
his fame. But I was surprised he lasted that long
because you know, drugs and alcohol and everything Parkinson's in
the last few years he was. You know, he does
(04:13):
his final few years pretty tough, didn't he, Mark, Yeah,
he did.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
He did a lot of cheating of death, I think
to get to this stage.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
Yea, The Prince of Darkness was at his name, that
was nicknamed the Prince of Darkness.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
You're an old met Ler Pete. No, No, I was joking.
I know you.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Anyway.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Look, it's just a great character. Yeah, a really great character.
Speaker 5 (04:37):
And I think the really from what I understand, he
did that concert what two and a half three weeks ago.
It's sort of the fifteen Days fifteen days ago. Yeah,
and then it raised one hundred and eighty million dollars.
There's some wow, staggering number.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
I think that's fjority, but that's The thing that amazes
me sometimes when someone's passed away and you I mean,
it's seriously, how was he doing. I know he was
sitting in an arm chair when he did it, but
he was letting it all rip by the clips that
I saw, and it does. It's still a amazes me
how you can see someone who still seems to have
so much sort of in it. I don't know, he
seemed to be so lively and to do a concert
(05:14):
that's not something you do a couple of weeks before
you pass away.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
I saw Prince here in Auckland two weeks before he died,
and I was so struck by how could somebody.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
So vital die?
Speaker 2 (05:27):
You know?
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Two weeks later it was incredible and he was, you know,
a lot younger than nausey when he died. So, you know,
I think there must be something, tim, you must know
something about this, like being on stage and just actually
how that must lift you in some way.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Ah oh yeah, I mean you can't sort of just
be Yeah, you're never going to feel when you walk
on stage if you've had a bad night's sleep. The
symptoms of that bad night's sleep will not be present
when you walk out on the stage, you know you
might be I feel so naked. I always used to
feel that nervous energy and my Phantom of the Opera
days when I was going on for the as the
Phantom during the afternoon, I would, in fact, my mum
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would have told you. I used to call and say, God,
I don't feel very well. I feel sick. And it
was because I was conserving energy as well. And it
would be I couldn't control it. I literally feel like God,
I feel dreadful. And it wasn't and it wasn't nerves.
It was just something I was. My body would just
subconsciously make me shut down until seven thirty and all
of a sudden, I be.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
Like, whoa, and where we go?
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Anyway? I just remember we did a bit of talkback
on this on the wee Small Hours that he bit
the head of a bat yep twice, actually twice? What twice?
Because I didn't he think it was not the same
the second time.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
The first time I think he's completely out off his brain.
But the second time somebody threw.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
One on the stage.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
He thought it was fake, thought it was fake, and
bitt into it and then realized it was blood in
his mouth. Oh my God, I've just seen a meme
of Ossie arriving in head in Heaven holding a dove
and God is going.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
No, it's quite good. Actually, Actually somebody mentioned because he
had to have a rabies shot as a result, and
then we did a whole night of talk about well
not a whole night, but talking about him. How do
not try and avoid ever having to have a rabies shot,
because apparently it's very unpleasant.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Yeah, you've got to have a whole whole lot of them,
don't you? And your stomacher.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Actually you've been all sorts of things in your life.
You must have had a rabies shot at.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
But hey, it's the day is still young, okay?
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Anyway, r I p Ozzy Osborne and yeah.
Speaker 5 (07:41):
Interestingly enough, on the same day Chuck Mangioni died.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Come on, Chuck Mangi.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Jazz musician Flugelhorn Plan.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
I know the name. I couldn't have told you of some.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
Music, some music just going back to the stage thing
when he was like, you know how he performed just
before he died. It's interesting to read the bit columns
the number of famous people who die just after Christmas
in New Years, and I feel is something that people
will hang on a little bit longer, yes, just to
get over events and so everybody's together and things like that.
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And then maybe maybe the exertion of that of going
on stage for Rossie was the final straw.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Well, you know, died with his boots on.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Yeah, that's that's the one. Yeah. Although I gather, I mean,
Parkinson's is a horrendous disease, and you know, I gather
the last few years from we're pretty pretty tough work.
So anyway, look, hey, how many times have you guys
talked about butter and your casual conversations in the last week, two, three, four, five, whatever.
Because we had Buttergate, we have have Nicola Willis Barron
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to get at the bottom of it, which is ironic
considering she didn't she used to work for one, and
then she's told us that while the global market sets
the price, it's the lack of serious, serious supermarket competition.
Then we saw the I thought Myles Harrl being sort
of door stopped on his way to a meeting was
was not so it wasn't.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
T's finest was a fair I think the Finance Minister
made a target of him. She singled him out, She
created that. I mean, Mikey was probably just doing her job.
You know that you've got a lot of steps to
go through before you're allowed to do those things on TV.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
You can't just rock up and do them.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
She created this guy is like almost like a public enemy,
and it was like as pushing things away as this
government often does. It's not our fault at somebody else's,
but she set him up. He was doorstep by a
couple of people afterwards. In many ways, Myles Harrel and
Fonterra are heroes in New Zealand. They're keeping the country afloat.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Well, we are only.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
The off the backs of our farmers and our dairy sector.
At the moment, New Zealand is actually actually saying a
float yes, yes, and I got to be celebrated.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
I don't think I saw the subsequent appearance when he
was interviewed. He did a stand up about where everything,
how everything was going, and I don't think I was
quite completely neutral about him and thinking, oh, well, look
it's unfortunate we've got to pay this for butter and
it's become this sticking point. But I didn't think in
the clips that I saw of his interview it went
had a tinge of Marie Antoinette about it. It's like, well,
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if the consumers, you know, people can't afford it, they
have to make more choices, maybe just buy less butter.
But we've got a little clip of them for your
listening pleasure.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
Do you actually.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
Understand what it's like for consumers to go to the
supermarket and face these prices?
Speaker 5 (10:38):
Absolutely? I was in the supermarket myself last night.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
What do you get paid?
Speaker 5 (10:42):
It's not about what I get paid, but what do
you get paid by you in your report which comes
out a few months time.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Just under six million dollars.
Speaker 5 (10:50):
It's about what.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
We can do to support the news on economy.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
I mean the way it's like by going to the
supermarket when you're on six million bucks a year is.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
Probably not the way he should have had. But it
doesn't matter what he earns. I mean, he's paid big bucks.
He's turned that company around and he's and they're doing
really well. And I think, you know, it's probably value
for money that shouldn't matter. If we're making money on
our dairy products overseas, that means everybody pays those prices.
They're playing the same prices as broad as we are here.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
I think people just feel I mean, I know what
your take on this is, Pete, and I understand all
those arguments, and I broadly agree with them, but it
does just seem to be. Look, it's great that farmers
are doing well and we're only five percent of the market.
He was asked, you know, and he said, look, it's
only five percent of the market, but it's not We're
not in the business of given discounts, and that's the
way it is. But we used to have subsidies for that.
(11:39):
I think it's just become but most of them come
I sort of post of anyway, Pete, what do you reckon?
Speaker 5 (11:44):
I mean, look, there's a fairly convincing argument to say
that if you know, we're paying what the world pays
for butter, and how butter is attractive to the rest
of the world and they want to pay high prices,
then we end up as well. And I'm not sure
what mechanism, what lever you could pull to sort of,
you know, take a couple of percent of what goes
overseas and keep it here and sell it at a lower price.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
You've got to be careful with that too, because, like
you know, we want to be free traders. We want
to sell into companies countries that don't have tariffs or
or special agreements so their own goods are cheaper than
everybody else's. I mean, this is the sort of thing
that could get your attention in the White House.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Why why is it? I mean, we pay more for
lots of things. I mean, obviously the expression it's just
bread and butter. I mean it's the simplest of staples
and many many people's minds. Why has butter become such
an emotional sticking point for New Zealanders.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
I wonder whether it's one of those things that we're
used to paying I don't know, five bucks a block
or something remembers, you know, and now we're paying twice
that and and then I suppose as these things get
drummed out in the media, it becomes a focus of attention.
I mean, in all honesty, do you look.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
At the price?
Speaker 5 (12:50):
I know, are you bake right so you.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Might use price?
Speaker 5 (12:54):
Yeah? Or do you just go it's what I need
and I'm going to have to pay for it?
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Isn't costing a lot of dough for you to bake?
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Now? I just know that it's you know, lots of
arguments being used on this is all for this is
all good for the economy, and when the property market
was going gangbusters, and people would say, oh, that's just
what the market's doing. And you know, you've got to
realize there is a bit of pushback. They talk about
it's going to it's great for you, for us all,
but if the average person who's struggling to make ends
meat sees, you know, Miles Harris saying, understand how what
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a struggler is. His answer was basically, well, consumers will
have to make decisions accordingly. Maybe they'll just have to
buy less.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Well, how much do you use butter or you're a baker? No, actually,
I mean do you use it on your toast?
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Year?
Speaker 3 (13:38):
But they're cheaper alternatives.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
To be honest, if you're really worried about if you've
got a family of four, the price of milk going
up would be the thing you'd notice because you went
through that. You know, there's that block of butter. If
you're not baking, you just iminated on your toast probably
last year, you know, reasonable length of time. Anyway, Look,
we've talked about it again apparently, but the weird butter
was said in politics are a number of times last week.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Yeah, Look, everybody's hurting at the moment.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
You know, if you look at the latest polls, you
know the government's not doing very well, and then they're
looking around for ways to divert attention as well. I mean,
at some stage somebody has to take responsibility for this.
It was kicked down Miles Hurrell and Fonterra coopped it
and then it became about the supermarkets again. So in
a roundabout way, it was another way to give the
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supermarkets a good Well, if.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
They really want to give us a break, they should
just bring back subsidies. But that's not the way we're on.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
That's what used to happen in some countries like Australia.
In European countries, basic goods pay far less GST or
none at all, So maybe they look at something like that,
but they have completely different Then.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
We've got to as well. We've got to change tax
and all that sort of thing. It's just the way.
Speaker 5 (14:43):
It does get phenomenally complicated though, doesn't it. Because if
you're then a takeaway bar owner and you buy your butter,
and your butter becomes part of a sandwich that you sell.
It's part of a commercial transaction. It's not domestic. And
then how do you separate that out mate?
Speaker 3 (14:56):
If the Aussies can do it, surely we.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Can do it anyway. We just had to have our
say on that. And look, it's good news that farmers
are doing well. I don't mind that at all.
Speaker 5 (15:06):
And the other thing too, is if there is genuinely
excessive profits to be made. Let's say, in the manufacturer
of butter, why aren't we seeing a small manufacturer go hey,
look I can make butter and I'll sell it for
thirty percent least.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Oh, there are smaller there are smaller companies that do
it as well. I don't know. Is it cheaper, well no,
why would they offer it cheaper when they can charge more.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
That's the thing.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
It's like, I'm going to set up a smaller company
and make less money. By the way, eight and a
half thousand farmers after you've divided twenty five billion, that's
three million a farm. Pretty good. I know. Farm is expensive.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
It's it's not good.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
It's tough, that's the thing. Yeah, And there'll be people
screaming at me, going, yeah, when things do get tough, then,
I don't know. Let's leave them alone. There we go,
pour up Miles, though I don't. I'm worried about how
he's going to pay for his baking six million and
twenty thousand dollars a week. How long do you have
to work to make hundred twenty third? No, don't answer that.
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None of my business. Twenty two past three will be
back in just a moment. Wow, there we go. This
is the music that Pete wolf Camp puts on when
he's in the mood. Lovers in the Air with Chuck
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Mangioni and Pete wolf Camp. Welcome to the Weekend, Beautiful,
you've just joined us. Welcome to the weeknd Collective, Pete
wolf Camp, Mark Kreisl My guests today, Now, guys, are
the electoral law overhaul, which includes ending same day enrollment
and clarity, also on treats for voters. In other words,
don't have a sausage sissor outside or sell donuts and
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say come in here and vote while you're wearing this
sort of out there. They're reinstating a total bound on
prisoner voting, and I gather that one of the reasons
is that it just takes too long to process all
the votes be honest, I didn't get too excited about this.
I think you're excited about voting, then just vote whatever
the deadline is, Mark.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
I think this is a.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Bad I think we need to encourage more people to vote,
not fewer. Okay, some people might take their time getting
ready and it take might take long to count the
votes and things like that, but beef up that part
of it. What's most important here is that most New
Zealanders have an opportunity to get out and vote. And
if they have to register on the day, then that's it.
I mean, they just didn't get their act together before.
(17:26):
It doesn't mean they're bad citizens whatever.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Well they've already been demonized.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
But I mean, you know we've got a problem in
this country and that people aren't actually contributing or taking
part in democracy enough, and now you're taking away another
pathway for them to do it.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Well, the thing is here, you go actually throwing Pete
Wolfcamp's got an amusing look on his face to me.
Speaker 5 (17:51):
I mean, I agree with you. We want more people
to participate in particularly with upcoming local body elections. And
what is thirty six percent of people voting in local body?
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Don't even think it's that even be that high.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
Right, So I want to see more and more people vote.
But at the same time, there should be an obligation
on us to get our act together and so knowing
you know, I mean, who know, who doesn't know that
a general elections coming? Who doesn't know that they need
if they are interested, they should register. And if you're
the sort of person that leaves it until the last day, really,
what's your excuse?
Speaker 4 (18:22):
I mean, well, there are excuses that that you know,
some people may be may have moved and they haven't
caught up with them. Maybe some people when you moved
the day before or no, you were moving, but it's
possible some people are transient. You know, there are a
bunch of people that that don't that that don't really
have their lives in order completely. And to me, it's
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just taking away an option that should be there to
allow more people to vote. Why are we making it
harder for people to change?
Speaker 2 (18:51):
I don't think you're making it harder. You just no, no, no,
you're just just raise our people. But how many people
would sort their act out? For instance, if there was
a snap election, right, if somebody suddenly lux and says
I'm calling a snap election as an election of three weeks,
you would have to vote in three weeks time, even
though hang on a minute, this is going to be
earlier than I was planning for. So the elections in
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three weeks or whatever. People would manage to do it
because there's simply a date to do something by, because otherwise,
you follow that argument. People who don't manage to enroll
and turn up on election day could argue, oh, look,
election day, I wasn't quite ready. Can you give me
another few days to vote? Just simply do a vote,
and if you can't manage it, then bugger off.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
You know what I do.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
For the one hundred and twenty people that you're talking about,
one hundred and twenty thousand that register on the day,
how many of those.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
People would would now they.
Speaker 5 (19:41):
Have not registered before, or are we talking about people
who are only newly eligible to vote who haven't been registered.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
It'll be all let pete. There could be a bunch
of them. There could be people voting for the first time.
There could be people who have pulled out of the
process for whatever reason. Look, I don't know the reasons.
All I know that that's a lot. I just think
they can taking those.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
People I just think you'd manage it if there was
a snap election. We've managed to turn up early, wouldn't we.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
Yeah, we would, But there are other people that wouldn't.
And there's still New Zealanders. They still have a vote,
they still have should have the opposite opportunity to everybody.
That's a beautiful thing about democracy. Everybody has the same power,
and we're taking the power. And the other reason that
that seems slightly fishy. They went across, they went against
all the advice that they got.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
And you know the last election, those late.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Votes that came in meant the Center Rights Coalition lost
two seats or National two seats, and Greens and Labor
picked on one each.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Well, those people just vote earlier. They can still cast
their votes and hopefully they're will I mean, that's I
mean anyway.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
Look to me, I guess what I'm taking out of
it is that you know, there is a desperate need
to start teaching civics.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
It's got one hundred percent.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
Yeah, So you know, in that way, citizenship comes with
responsibility as well as rights, and we've we're focused on
the rights as we often do, but we don't talk
a lot about the responsibilities. Of being a citizen and
being active.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Responsibility is to vote, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (21:07):
Yeah, yeah, it means that your responsibility is.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
I think to state is to make sure I mean
that the online registration, all those sorts of things, to
make it as easy as possible for people to do
things by whatever date it needs to be done. And
that was the most important thing.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
And I think the technology is there now. So I mean,
have you registered for real me for example? Yep, yeah,
you've probably have. I have, so you know, we've already.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Been asked my past word.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
There's already a facility that the government knows a great
deal about us, right, whether that's a good thing or
a bad thing, it's there, right, So why aren't we
making more use of that in order for people to
partake in democracy?
Speaker 4 (21:43):
I mean talking about the Aussies again, I do what
they do is just make it illegal not to vote,
the compulsory to vote.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Yeah, I mean, you get a far more stable government
have you do that.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
But I just I still just err on the side
of freedom of choice. If I don't want to vote,
you know, I mean, well, do you not want to roll?
Speaker 3 (22:00):
You have to enroll?
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Yeah, Now, that's the point that is a strange law.
It's you have to enroll, but you don't have to vote.
I mean, it's funny that there's compulsion around any of it.
And I do not understand the arguments the argument for that.
Do you any of you people you have to enroll?
Speaker 4 (22:17):
Why do you get out and vote everybody? I mean,
people fought hard for the right for everybody to vote.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Will you be voting in the local body elections, by
the way, you bitcher? You always do, do you? And
will you know much about the people you're voting for?
I mean we know a bit about Wayne Brown, of course.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
Well you always get a pack with all the information
about them and you read that before you vote.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
I always want that's the thing. If somebody's got a
good looking prospectus, it doesn't really tell you whether they've
got any brains, just tells you that you know that
chat GPT write a nice biography all the synthesis.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Out your local counselors.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
Do you know your local board representation?
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Yeah? Yeah, well I know Deasley because I've met her
as well.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
So what about local board name drop?
Speaker 2 (22:57):
I wouldn't have a clue, right, what what do you
want me to say?
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (23:04):
I do.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Warder it what.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Vaguely vaguely whatever one It says at the top of
the form.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Get your act together. You're a role model.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
I think it's Iraqi is it?
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Can someone please check?
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Yeah, I've got to check that. Oh, Tyra is looking
all offended just because you're so so electorally active, Tyra,
that's my producer, That's what I'm saying. Anyway, Hey, hey,
there's a letter from a bunch of healthcare workers, including
specialist GPS, nurses, paramedics, have sign an open letter to
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MPs asking them to waive private healthcare during their time
in office because they should have faith in the health system.
If they don't, they should basically improve it. They should
not allow themselves to insulate themselves against the consequences. Anyway, Look,
if I was a Minister of the Crown, I don't
care what job. Then if I can afford health insurance,
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I'm keeping it. Whatever you wear, you guys with us.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
It's a little bit like asking Miles Harrel how much
he gets paid, isn't it You're insinuating that he because
he makes so much money, he doesn't understand what it's
like for people who have to buy butter. I mean,
this is possibly, as health workers are saying, if you're
getting private insurance, you don't understand how dire it is
for many in the public system.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
I think they understand. Actually, night, Actually here's the opposite
of that. I think they do understand how tough it is,
which is why they have the private healthcare.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Well that's not very good, is it?
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Well? I know, but it's just a fact of life.
The health system is always always going to be under stress.
Speaker 5 (24:38):
But isn't that you flip that around and go the
fact that some people either choose or are able, or
for whatever reason, have private medical insurance, which means that
they are relieving the public system of the stress of
looking after them in the event that they need medical attention.
Is there a downside to that?
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Don't know, Mark, I was looking for you to your wisdom.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
My wisdom just left the room. You got.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Well.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
Is there a flip side to it? It depends.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
I mean, in some ways it's a good position to
be in the moment, because we are starting the public
system is starting to use the private system.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
To catch up.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
But you don't really want to Tier New Zealand either,
you want you know, you know, it's the same argument
around private schools and public schools. You know, money that's
not as being diverted to those other areas doesn't help everybody,
It just helps a certain few.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
I must I would love the health system to be
rocking so much that we didn't need private health insurance.
But I've got to say it's costing more and more
for me, and at the moment, I'm sort of on that,
and I just think, oh, no, the time when you
get so expensive, it is probably the time when you
need it. So I'm a bit superstitious about that. What
about you, Pete?
Speaker 5 (25:52):
Yeah, I've taken a slight different approach, but I'm going
to here, But.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
That sounds like they would.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
But why do I just look at it?
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Go?
Speaker 5 (26:05):
You know, private individuals are taking responsibility for their own
healthcare by taking out their own health insurance and potentially
relieving the public system of the burden of looking after them.
Where's the downside?
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Oh? If that would be like you're hosting a it
sounds like we're inviting calls on that. Well, we'll get
a few texts on that, but guess what, We'll let
people sit down, have a cup of tea and reflect
on this while we take a quick moment to regroup
and come back with more scintillating, scintillating and informed opinion.
This is the Weekend Collective, Mark Kreisel and Pete wolf
Camp and my guess I'm Tim Beverage. It is twenty
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three and a half minutes to four, back in a tick.
Just welcome back to the Weekend Collective. Yeah, that's a
little bit of oussie. I think that Black Sabbath Ozzy
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Osbourne isn't it well from the Weekend Collective just joined us,
Pete wolf Camp and Mark krazelm. I guess I'm Tim Beverage.
And oh, just a quick one on this the rise
in acc gym related claims because people doing strength training,
heavier training, and there's been this discussion about whether people
should be covered or something by injuries at the gym
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and things like that. But I mean, to me, I
just sort of think acc acc is acc and you
just can't meddle with it, can you, Mark.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Well, they meddle with it all the time. I mean
in terms of entitlement. You know, yeah, it's a sports.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
Injury, right, and you're actually there, you know, not intending
to injure yourself. So I assume. So, yeah, yeah, you
would have fucking around with it.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
You would have injured yourself a few times with a
bit of four B two swing in a normal direction. Oh,
I don't know how I put that.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Yeah, yeah, no, I have.
Speaker 5 (27:56):
What I find intriguing though, is if it's fifty million
dollars for fifty thousand gym injury claims falls from ladders,
guess how much?
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Oh how much? Oh that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
It's quite common.
Speaker 5 (28:08):
Last time I looked at it, it was seventy six
million dollars.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Oh. Do you know?
Speaker 4 (28:12):
The interesting thing with acc though, is most of the
money goes through about three percent of the claimants. It's
those long term injuries, like people who who need twenty
four hour tetraplegics, paraplegics, those sorts of things.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Is very intense. I actually think of that every time
because I've got a two story and I've got an
extension that no no, and I'm very very careful, but
my wife hates me ga up the ladder to get
on the roof, right. But I just I just tell
myself every rung to pay attention to, because it's because
it's just that moment where.
Speaker 5 (28:46):
You think the golden rule of being on a ladder,
tim don't fall off.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
No.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Three points of contact, three points of contact.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
And two feet.
Speaker 5 (28:56):
I think I'm going to put two hands on.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
I'm grapping onto that thing like you're a full point.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
To use your thighs to. You can't climb it that way.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
There anyway, I guess look at that. If you are
listening to this and you join it, and if you
are going to the gym and you're doing some strength training,
just don't do it to it. Listen and listen to
the Health Hub because we have some great people on
the show, including Alex Flint and Greg Payne, who will
just talk talk about easing into the workout. If you're
(29:27):
once we're a sporting legend, and you decide to go
back to the gym, don't go and try and lift
the weight you lifted ten years ago when you're at
your peak, which I think. I wonder how often it
must have silly middle aged people.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
Well they're great song by Little Feet, old Folks boogie
when your mind tells you something in your body says.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Is that a song?
Speaker 4 (29:48):
Yeah, great song, great title for the song, old folks boogie,
Hey on the phone.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
I quite like this. Next one, and it's sort of
the opposite of I won'der know if it's the opposite
of buttergate, but Parisian waiters who have it says long
been famous for be grumpy, and I'm not sure I
would necessarily agree with that. I think if anyway, an
investigation now that there were these journalists who went to
(30:14):
a cafe and they're both French, and one of them
dressed up like the cliche American tourist with the Eiffel
Tower T shirt put on, apparently an American accent.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
That's good, I love with a bit of a French to.
We still had a French to I loved.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
That anyway, and found that clearly French. Then and another
one went as a clearly French person whatever that looks like.
And I'm sure it didn't mean they had a bere aon,
but anyway, the clearly French customer was served a can
of coke for six fifty and offered a caraffe of
water with his dish. Meanwhile, the quote American was only
(30:48):
offered the large coke at a cost of nine euro fifty,
so fifty percent more, and received no caraffe and had
to fork out another six euro for a small bottle
of vittel. And basically so there's this seems to be
this contempt shown by French people, French waiters. For obviously Americans.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
May have brought it upon the look, I think, are
they French onto something?
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Here?
Speaker 4 (31:15):
There's a couple of things here. First, a can of coke.
The normal price is twelve.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
And a half dollars.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
That's insane.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Well, I guess in a cafe.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
You were in the American The American paid eighteen dollars.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Yeah, they were offered a lot. They weren't offer the
option of a smaller one, so they were still charged
the right price. They just weren't oh you can't have
a small It's just like, yes, here it is, and
they deliberately sold them the most expensive thing.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
So this happens all over over the world.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
I remember being in the on an island off the
coast of Bali called Nusulamboggan back in the eighties, and
it was a famous serf spot. You'd only get there
by like a sort of out rigger canoe. We were
staying over there, and there's one village where you stayed
and they had this big blackboard with the prices of.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
Everything on it.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
And one day the village elder was looking out his
binoculars he saw this boatload of Japanese surface turning up,
and he just ran over to the blackboard.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
And doubled them. He made a killing on that day.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Do we have it? Do we have it away here
where we would charge people? Should we charge American tourists
more just because they chose a stupid president? Good idea, Yeah,
there we go. I just said that because we.
Speaker 5 (32:34):
Had a similar thing. We were in France and went
into a little chocolate shop and you know, said and
then maybe order in English. Yes, that's fine. We bought
some hot chocolate, which was But then, you know, an
American tourist wanders in, doesn't acknowledge the fact that they're
in France at all and just start speaking loudly in
(32:55):
American to the to the shop staff who just looked
at them blankly and didn't take their order. He took
our order in English.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
Did you just describe his language as America?
Speaker 5 (33:05):
Yes, as opposed to English?
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Whether actually no, there is something in that, because I
mean I've had a couple of holidays, one with the
family and one with my wife to France, and you
hear stories about the French, and you know what, we
went and we made an effort wherever we went to
at least say bonjours or Commossava or something like that,
or speak a little bit if you we'd learned a bit.
(33:27):
And we never had anything other than delightful, friendly service
everywhere we went, even the most hackneyed tourist spots. You
make it, you connect, You look people in the eye,
and you make an attempt. And I think that's a
lesson to anyone wherever they go, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
French pretty fond of Kiwis. They do like us, even
though they blew up a boat now Harbor, but they still, well,
not the whole nation, well only the people representing them. Yes, yes,
hard to brush that one under the Actually, the.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Most tourist friendly destination you've been to, you reckon both
of you, guys, chaps.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Tourists friendly or traveler friendly, I.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Mean, okay, traveler friendly. I think the most mark krais
or friendly place.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
Gosh, I love them all, to be honest. I mean,
Islamic countries are very friendly. They're very welcoming. It's a
big part of the part of the culture to welcome
in travelers. And to look after them and then try
and sell them.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
A carpet Japan. I've heard it is excellent.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
A Japan's good.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
I wonder how people view New Zealanders when they come here.
She find us friendly.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
She I remember backpacking and ending up in some place
in Turkey, and there were guys hopping on the bus
trying to get us on the train as we went
into the station, and trying to get us to stay
in their hotels and things like that.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
We're bartering them down all the time, and they're just bloody.
Kiwi's always looking for.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Are you good at bartering? Yeah? God, I don't think
I'd be very good bartering because I like to be
agreeable and people say in certain countries you you just
got to off them. Half feel like I'm insulted.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
You know.
Speaker 4 (35:06):
The toughest travelers for bartering who Israeli's oh my god,
they're brutal.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
They are so tough and they're bartering.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Wow, let's not get onto Israel and right now I'm.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Not going there. But that's they're.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
Just yeah, I'll travel with a bunch. I mean they're
really good. We got great deals, but they know how
to do it right.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Hey, by the way, just quickly before we head to
the break that it's amazed that there's Paul Goldsmith, the
Justice Manager Ministers, talking about how outrageous it is that
class A drugs appear to be getting pedled on Facebook marketplace,
and he's going to be seeking an explanation. I mean
that mark magic mushrooms, cannabis. They look like a tab
(35:52):
of LSD tablets. I kind of get my head around
this book because I would.
Speaker 5 (35:56):
Have thought, I presume the listing doesn't say cocaine for sale.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
No, there's some code.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
It will show a photo of some and then it'll
encourage people to connect with them on this encrypted text
app Telegram for a full menu one full menu seen
by the Herald off for psychedelics, cannabis, cocaine, MDMA and ketamine.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
I guess I.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Would never if I was into buying drugs, I would
have thought the last place you'd look for it be
on Facebook, because he'd be waiting to put it to
be a sting or something.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
This is a bit of a while west the market,
these social media marketplaces. I mean there's a lot, a
hell of a lot of these banking scams originate from here,
and they're not that well regulated. You know, Goldsmith's talking
about doing something about it. But further on he talks
also about how difficult it is in what he calls
the global situation at the moment, which is anything that
(36:48):
seemed to be anti in American company can be seen
as as provocative in this tariff regime that we're living
in under at the moment. So yeah, I don't know
how far he's going to go with this.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
Bye.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
By the way, now you mentioned but Trump. Did you
see the South Park episode of Trump? Apparently he has gone
full nuclear. Having that that's the White House is not pleased,
and it bangs on about the insufficiency of one particular
part of his anatomy quite a lot, and the cgi
of him stagging through the desert in his underwear. It
(37:23):
looks real, except we know it's not.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
Of course.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Anyway, Hey, look, we better take a break. We'll be
back in just The ticket is ten minutes to four
news talk'd b Yes, welcome back to my panel on
Tim Bevery to Pete wolf Camp and Mark Kreisle with me, guys,
this story caught my attention for a couple of reasons.
So Lotto is beefing up regulations to avoid international on sale.
So they've blocked a global gambling syndicate from buying tickets
for big dollar Lotto powerball draws, which I thought was curious.
(37:48):
I mean, who's going to really get into the incredibly
long odds of winning lotto? But anyway, they banned that.
They banned international gambling syndicates from doing it. The thing
that stood out for me was the reminder that they're
going to that they're thinking of introducing another ball to
lot on and making the odds even longer. So you
have fine blocked the international gambling syndicates, But as for
(38:09):
making the odds longer, no thanks, it's hard enough as
it is.
Speaker 4 (38:12):
I mean, that's my retirement plans gone too, because I
know I'm going to win, Yes, eventually.
Speaker 5 (38:19):
Possibly tonight.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Well it's possible.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
I do you have to buy a ticket?
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Yeah? Meet us halfway, Pete, buy the ticket on my
way home. What do you make of this, Peete?
Speaker 5 (38:30):
I can't comprehend global gambling syndicates buying tickets in the
hope of winning and thinking that's in some way a
good investment.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
It just seems strange to me doing it.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
Yeah, actually, I think there are.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
Some lotteries where you can't buy overseas as well. There
are some really big lotteries the States. You have to
be a resident, and you have to be resident actually
to be honest, they want the money to stay in
New Zealand, and I'm sort of okay with that. I
just want to win.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
I mean, it's one.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
I mean, the great thing about lotto is what the
money the profits go to. I mean it is actually
like I never win, but I feel good that I've
actually maybe given some money to the arts or a donation.
Speaker 5 (39:10):
Every time I buy a ticket. It's just a donation.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
Well, that's a common sense.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
You're looking at a body.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
I mean, it's the common sense way of looking at it.
It's just a gift to your fellow New Zealanders. Because
if you think of it as an investment, then you
start why haven't I come on, do you know anyone
who's won? Yes, I know someone who's won twenty five mil?
Speaker 1 (39:30):
Wow?
Speaker 3 (39:31):
Yeah, you keep that. Why would they tell you?
Speaker 2 (39:35):
I don't know? I know well that this particular person.
No it wasn't, no, no, it was it was a
colleague of my wife's actually, and yeah, twenty five mil.
I don't think that this particular person felt they were
able to keep it secret because probably had to explain there.
Speaker 5 (39:51):
The ferrari.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Yoush, the fact they've given up and traveled the world.
I don't know, but yeah, worries me that I know someone.
It's like makes it even harder for me to win now,
because what are the odds that I would also win?
But the odds are the same for everyone every time.
Guys like voting, like voting, yes, yes, I mean, gosh,
you know we got to give can buy it? Staff
(40:13):
the politics sometimes, Mark Krasel, I reckon you do? I
reckon you'd hosen.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
You may have a vote to local body. Really, that's
what I want to say.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Watch the space ah, Mark Krazel, Who's he going to
be the next menace? What would he be? Minister of?
Speaker 3 (40:25):
Make all media great again?
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Good mate?
Speaker 5 (40:30):
Hey, thanks for the embroider to get a cap bakeer.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
Thanks so much. Guys. That wraps the panel. By the way,
if you missed any of it you want to go
and catch up with the fun, go and check out
our podcast on News Talk said B or The Weekend
Collective or on iHeartRadio. Okay, we'll catch you soon. With
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