August 16, 2025 • 41 mins
This week on The Panel, Tim Beveridge is joined by psychotherapist Kyle MacDonald, and Waitakere Councillor Shane Henderson, to discuss the biggest stories from the week that was.
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on today's show and just a moment our illustrious panelists
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little further ahead to when we will be taking your
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buying and selling in the same market, but the whole
the machinations around you know, you're selling to buy and
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buy and how you time it, and we also have
been means a bit of a chat in this market,
what the best way of selling your household methods of
your house is, methods of sale, whether it be you know, auction, price,
by negotiation, my personal non favorite the tender, but sometimes
there's a time for that as well. So we're talking
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calls after five Parents Squad. Nathan Wallace is with us.
(02:08):
He's a neuroscience educator. I'm talking about the early years
and early attachment and you know just what we can
learn about that and with forming and how important it
is to form an attachment with your child in the
early years. But also if we got time, we'll talk
about coping with failure in sports, because you know, we
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can all see it with the kids. They work hard
and they have a couple of bad games, maybe three
or four games, and then they get down. So we
might do a little bit of sports psychology for your
kids as well. And the sports rap will be joined
by Superman him South Christopher Reeve lots to cover off
their Auckland Taranaki Hawks, Bay North Harbor Warriors and Raiders,
and actually he's been doing some great reporting about the
America's Cup changes. So I'm gonna succumb to the temptation
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to talk to him a little bit about that if
we get the time, lots to get and too welcome
for the Weekend Collective it is coming up to nine
minutes past three.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Insightful, entertaining and always old points. Tim Beveridge on the
Weekend Collective News Talks.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
B Yes, some time to introduce my illustrious panelists, the
self described couple of rancid lefties. I don't know anyway, Hey, look,
first off the block, he's well known to your because
the hosts works on the Nutterers Club, host of the
Nutders Club, and his name is and his guest on.
He's been on, he's been on our Health Hub. We've
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probably got to get him on the Parents Quad. Then
we'll probably get him on property. Who knows he's here?
Resplendent and I love this because if I was going
to get back into rugby, it would be for the NPC.
He's wearing an old school Auckland NPC jersey. It's Carl
McDonald get a car.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Yeah, cure representing the blue and white hoops.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Yes, yes, And it is something I like the retro feel,
and I wonder if you know the NPC's looks like
it's been getting some fair bit of interest from people
in their respective provinces, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Yeah, look it's great. It's it's the heart end of
rugby these days, is it, with sort of the flashiness
of super rugby.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
So yeah, and come on the Bay. And when I
say they, I mean Bay have plenty. I haven't seen
the score lately for oh cannabaries up on them at
fourteen to seven. Hey, I love the fact that you've
got an old school jersey, but I'm kind of disappointed
you've got a big white panel on the back with
no number.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Well I never actually paid for Auckland, I.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Mean no, no, But if you're going to have a
white patch on the back, that's the place to put
the number. What number? Well, you could put number sixteen
or something like I.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Could I mean I did play. I did play for
the technogram first fifteen at lock, so you probably need
to be number four or five.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Okay, Well what's the reserve lock position? Then for Auckland
you could go that number twenty one? Yeah, nineteen. We
were remembiniscing about that the old days of Junior Advisory
Board Rugby JBAH back when you turn up at the
first game of the day and rode a rual with us.
It was the Kahakura Wetters, which we liked the fact
we were named after a fairly ugly insect. Frosty days
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kicking that water logged rugby ball. Sometimes we go at
least five minuts pre boots yep, pre boots.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Yeah, I remember those days in Parmaston, North It was
probably wasn't quite as cold, it was bad.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Enough were scoring. One of my uncle was a former
headmaster of Auckland Grammer. He was a great enthusiast for
coming to watch us play rugby anytime he could. And
it was just down road room and he came in.
He used to cheer really loudly. And I had the
ball and I was running away and I heard this
come on tim sort of thing, and I looked over
to him and I tripped over and went splat. But
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I didn't realize I already crossed the line. I think
it was like Forrest Gump put the ball anyway. I'm
not sure if he's going to share some similar stories
with us on probably a bit younger than us, I
suspect he's counselor for White Tarkeety and his name is
Shane Henderson. Hey Shane, how are you going? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (05:44):
You get a fantastic mate. Great to be here.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Give me for get along to watch the Saturday morning
sport or anything or what's your what's your guilty pleasure?
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Absolutely so I've got kids in that ball in rugby league,
so Saturday morning is my time.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
I love it. What age of yours ten and six?
Isn't it a great isn't it a great age? It's
such a great age.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
There's so much joy around it, and it's sort of
less that sort of fearsome competitian stuff and more kind
of just having fun and enjoying the game.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
And that's the kids, obviously not necessarily the adults all
the time. Hopefully the adults made We had an interesting
one in our game because the coach of the other
side didn't approve of the umpire and went onto the
pitch and there was a bit of an argument and
I was like, come on, pull you ahead in but
it was like, you know, the kids having great time anyway.
So I won't mention any more about that because I'll
probably at tempted to name the club, but I won't.
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I won't. I'll keep it to myself. Anyway. Hey, let's
get on with the big stuff, shall we, Trump, Putin
the meeting. Look, we don't know what's really going to
come out of it. Trump looks like he was happy
with it. Putin looks delighted to be there. And I
can't help but think that, you know, if nothing comes
of it, it'll just be a win for Putin because
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he's managed to have time in front of the cameras
after being sort of exiled that he's been spending some
quality time with the president. Kyle, what do you think.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
I'd love to be a fly on the wall. Do
you think this? Do you think this small talk? Do
you think they get along? I mean, I'm a bit
of a history nerd, right, so I sort of read
about the Malta Conference and you know, those great meeting
of minds around World War Two, which sounded like we're
quite tricky at times, but also kind of Roosevelt in
church Will kind of ready got along and enjoyed sort
of sharing a drink. Can you imagine Trump doesn't drink,
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but you imagine sitting having a cocoa at the end
of the night and talking about the kids and no, no,
it'd be kind of weird.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Well, I still remember that. Remember when they had the
one on one with no one around and Trump tore
up the interpreter's notes. No one was allowed to see them,
and that's when everyone's I mean, you know, we should
be concerned about that. But I'm rooting for Trump to
do a deal. I mean, go Trump, be absolutely yeah.
I mean, it's been harassing Norway apparently for a peace price,
so he might actually have to do something to get one,
rather than just radomly calling Norwigian members of parliament. Yeah,
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what do you make of it? Shane?
Speaker 4 (07:53):
Yeah, and that's a good point. Maybe that is all
part of it, the peace prize push, because we're seeing
that alone all over the place. He's really lobbying for that.
But you know, this isn't Pudin's first go around around
the Mountaine. He's been in power nearly twenty five years,
so he knows exactly what's going on and getting some
good propaganda wins for him probably.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Actually funny thing is, I don't really think Trump is
any more likely nor less likely to do a deal
on it, really, because the war has been dragging on.
It has not been great for the Russian people either,
regardless of how the Russians might deny the loss of
life of Russian soldiers at Ukraine, and it just can't
keep dragging on. And look, I'd love to see Trump
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get a win with this.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Well, I mean, I'm all for peace. I don't really
care how you get there, right, But I think the
troubling thing is that Ukraine are just sort of at
this point and Europe more or less of being ignored. Right,
They're not at the table, So who knows where there
are a deal that the two of them are able
to come up to will be palaceable to everybody else.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
I think my biggest fear of it was we look,
and we do know Trump's one of Trump's Trump's foibles,
as he is susceptible to being complimented, and you can
see the way everyone deals with them. They polishes apple,
you know, almost with an industrial polisher, and Putin would
be great at playing that game. And I just worry
that old Volodimia Zelensky is going to end up becoming
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the whipping boy when he doesn't agree to the terms.
But I don't know, maybe Trump has had a little
bit of a reality check on Putin, do you think, Shane.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Yeah, potentially, And you know, Zelensky has been quite public
around the summit and saying, look, we should be invited,
Europe should be in the room. And the feeling of exclusion.
I think that really amplifies that when you're looking at
Trump loves to be complimented, he loves to have his
shoes polished, and you know that's what the environment's going
to be like.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Potentially, I reckon they should just they should both meet
and be they should have to have the meeting and
with the Auckland Council and they'd want to wrap it
up pretty quickly and Wayne to just say, come on,
you guys, stop messing around, just get a deal.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
And my experience had to make the meeting longer.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Not sure, well, okay, fair enough now on look and
well it's obviously it's a feast that's going to keep moving.
We'll be covering it probably tomorrow for our politics show.
The upshot of it all. Now, Chloe Swarbrick barred from Parliament.
I guess I mean the comics she made. I mean
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I must say that it's the shouting that gets to
me a little bit. But the comics she made about
spinalists technically was not something she should have said. I've
seen plenty of people make comments where the Speaker has objected,
and I've thought, oh, that's not a big deal, but
they go out withdraw and apologize, sit down and carry on.
But of course she didn't withdraw and apologize, so then
she was evicted. She obviously got under Jerry's skin a
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little bit as well. So I gather she was expelled
for not withdrawing and apologized as asked to do. When
you've just simply go out withdraw and apologize and you've left,
I mean, the sounds of what you've just said are
still reverberating around the chamber. Anyway, what do you reckon, Carle?
Speaker 3 (10:46):
I think it was a very, if I can be
a political wonk for a moment, it was an incredibly
poor performance by the Speaker. Actually, he didn't follow standing
orders and he's set some pretty awkward sort of precedents
around how you actually deal with and something that Parliament
objects to. Because and I'll tell you the interesting tell right,
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the thing that told you that he was way, of course,
was Winston Peters was actually supporting Chloe Swabrek. He said,
I don't agree with what she said, but I do
not think the members should have been removed from the House.
And I'll tell you what, when Winston's swinging over to
support one of the Greens, you know that the speaker's
way off tracked.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Yeah, although she could have just withdrawn and apologize and
actual people go, oh, john Key got away with it.
I mean I heard David Carter talking about he said, well,
I probably should have thrown him out, and he should.
I mean the fact that there's been a poor precedent before,
doesn't I mean that happened before under a different speaker,
how many years ago. It's like, I mean, David Carter
made the point that as speaker there are things that
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slipped past you all the time. Jerry clearly has fought mistake.
She got under his skin, didn't it. Yeah?
Speaker 4 (11:48):
Yeah, And it was interesting that Winston Peter's comment backing
up Chloe because he's the king of the one liners, right,
he doesn't want a precedent set where people are getting
barred from the House for things that actually I've heard
a lot worse in Parliament. And as you say, you
have the withdraw and apologize. That's usually in the most
acidic tone that the speaker can possibly do, so that
might have been a well.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Often the withdrawing and apologizing from the person who's withdrawing
and apologizing is done and quite an eye withdrawal apologize
as I'm like, they just say the words. But and
then it became all about Chloe unfortunately.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
I guess well, I mean, I think what it did
do though, was it it really shone the light unfortunately
internationally on New Zealand because it was a story that
was actually covered all the way from the PBS and
the US all the way through the Middle East media
around the outcome being that New Zealand has not actually
made a statement of support for Palestine or actually officially
condemned Israel's actions in Gaza City, which most Western nations,
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including Australia now have done.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
So.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
One of the things about a lot of these theatrics
in politics is that it really actually takes away from
the substance of the issue, which is that New Zealand
really needs to take a stand alongside its allies and
condemn what's happening in Gaza.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Yeah, which they have time to do to be fair
they do Australia France though, no, no, no, But here's
the thing. Australia, France and the other countries that are
going to haven't formed done it yet. It's going to
happen in September and in leaders week, so we have
time to make a decision on what we do. And
I don't have a problem with that, because I mean,
that's some of the speechers like we've got to do
something as terrible things happening, as if this will make
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a blind bit of difference to the actual problems that
we're seeing right now. Ironically, the most effective thing that
was said, I thought was Luxon saying that who's lost
the plot? Which I sort of cheered for Shane.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Yeah, and it was a great New Zealanders and isn't
it You sort of hear at a rugby game, Oh
guys lost the plot mate, you know sort of thing.
So I really enjoyed that. It's look, we enjoyed that.
The Green Party. I think I think there'll be frustrations
about a sort of perceived lack of independent foreign policy,
which we pride ourselves on as a country, going back
to the nuclear free moments and things like that, and
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so I think there's a desire to follow that precedent
that we've sort of set in our own minds.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Yeah, sorry, I didn't you have to explain that to
me again.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
Sorry, Yeah, yeah, So you know, I think that the
New Zealanders think we have an independent foreign policy and
we stand up for what's right and it doesn't really
matter whether Australia join US, UK join US, et cetera,
et cetera. And we're being followers in the situation, not leaders.
And I think that's where frustration is occurring.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
With respect. We are doing exactly what we want to
do and we are being independix. We're not just jumping
on the bandwagon and going I mean the opposite point
can make can be made. England are doing it, France
are doing it. We're taking our time and we probably
will do it. I guess what do you think?
Speaker 3 (14:31):
I think I think this is a really easy fix. Actually,
I think and Prime Minister de lux And just needs
to submit to a full body X ray and we'll
find out whether he does indeed have a spine. There
might be a couple of vertebrains.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
I told you a couple of ransom lefties on the
panel I wouldn't want you to disappoint me, but I mean,
here's the thing, though it is okay, would you support
a Palestinian state acknowledging a Palestinian state with Hamas at
the head of it, because that is one of the
mind you most of them are saying it relies. So
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here's here's the catch. I think Australia and a couple
of the other ones have said we support a separate
Palestinian state with demilitarization and Maas removed. And the fact
is those are a couple of big prayer because its
aren't they.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Well, I think we actually have to come back to
what's happening right now. I think what we need to
be focused on is that right now there are innocent
people trying to access aid who are being killed in
the process. It's horrendous excess food. Those bigger solutions are
you know, we've there's been decades of trying to figure
that out, and of course there needs to be more
work done on it, but right now I think it's
time to actually say, you know, Israel needs to back
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off and actually let people access the food and aid
and let the food and aid into Gaza.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
See that you know what. You're right, You've brought it
back to what the issue is, because a lot of
this stuff is I mean, someone could say virtue signal
all this stuff, it's not even any effect as long
unless there are meaningful sanctions against Israel that make them
stop and think. But I don't think Netan Yahu. Here's
the thing I've written ages ago about. You know, when
they say free Palestine, they need to Palestine from Hamas,
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and I think absolute that needs to happen. But Hamas
don't care about the Palestinian people. I don't believe because
they would have handled the hostages back. And Netanyah clearly
doesn't care about the hostages because saying you're going to
have a full scale invasion of Gaza is pretty much
signing their death warrant, doesn't it.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
Shane, Yeah, yeah, And I think Cole's wright it's you know,
leading on that humanitarian element and just really sharply focusing
on that, because if you zoom out into some of
these other issues, it can be an excuse to not
make statements and to sort of stay on the sidelines.
That can be a challenge.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Ah, you are a politician, aren't you Listen?
Speaker 4 (16:37):
This election time as well.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Oh that's right, so you're gonna be playing at knives
and say, we've been not talking about Auckland council politics.
I think because we were within the we're within the cycle,
so we had to stick away, keep well away from
that stuff. That sounds good, ah, very good idea. Gosh. Oh,
by the way, just before we go to the break,
I sort of much as I it was irritated by
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the Israeli minister who had a crack at him Luxan
for saying, you know, letting out his last the plot.
I still sort of laughed when she said the most
dangerous thing we've got here is possums, and I thought,
thank goodness for that. But what was any take on
the follow up to that.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
I don't think possums are that dangerous.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
Well, it was possums and cats, possims. I heard Gareth
Morgan nodding from somewhere.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Dangerous a possum or an angry cat? It depends we
have to define.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
I think I'd rather tackle a cat than a possum. Really, yeah, what.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Depends if we narrow the definition of cat to your
domestic maggie, Because so I wouldn't take on a tiger.
But anyway, I'm just shifting the goalposts in the middle
of that conversation before we take a break. It is
twenty three and a half past past three. We've got
lots to talk about, and up next we'll be having
a chat about well, there's some new laws around protesting
and guidelines for hospitals. But of course there's talk about
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whether the former members of the cabinet should be fronting
in forms of Duran Hipkins, et cetera. Get these guys
take on that and just a moment twenty four past
three News Talks, he'd be there is the Weekend Collective.
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I'm Tim Beverdge. My panelists are car MacDonald and Shane Henderson. Now, guys,
the obviously the Royal Commission has a bit of a
bit of a lot of chat about that. Today the
Royal Commission has asked Sindra Durn, Chris Hopkins, Robertson and
Verel to appear at a public hearing and they've declined
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to a peer. There was a poll I think that
showed that most people think they should have appeared. And
which side of it are you on?
Speaker 4 (18:40):
The Shane, Oh yeah, probably, yeah, definitely they've they've put
on so much information. Apparently even the chair of the
Royal Commission Inquiry have said, look, they've thrown all the
information in. So you know, personally, I'm thinking, well, what
do they actually need to do in terms of appearing.
I think they've they've sorted it, haven't they.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Well they've been asked to a peer, and I guess
if they've been asked to a peer, the Commission would
like to have them a peer, and so I think
they a peer. What do you reckon?
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Car?
Speaker 2 (19:07):
I know it's complex in terms of a whole bunch
of things.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
But look, I think there's two things for me. The
first one is that there's actually a precedent that politicians
don't appear publicly at Royal commissions. As I understand it,
there's been a few exceptions where people have volunteered to
do that differently. But I think, you know what came
to mind for me was you know we I mean,
and I've had conversations with a couple of people who
are actually in the previous government about this. It was
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actually quite a terrifying time around the parliament protests, and
I can really understand for whether it be for their
safety or for the safety of their family that they
would much prefer to honestly and you know, simply give
their testimony, which they did to the Commission's satisfaction. Privately
and frankly, this sort of it all smells a bit
of a political beat up to me. You know, the
information's being given. I think the argument of the Royal
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Commission was that it would give some public confidence if
they appeared publicly. But given that the focus has been
around the vaccines, I think it could actually be quite
dangerous for the people to appear.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
I don't know if there's any different level of danger
to them though. I mean, Ja Sindra Dun's made public
appearances promoting a book and stuff, and if people wanted
to cut up stuff from that. You know, they're worried
about people using the online stuff and like I guess
I've got I've got a bit of a personal straw,
which is without necessarily an extra grind. But during Level
four my mum died and until the humanity of the
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people in the care home kicked in my brother. I've
got a photo of my brother and my sister in
law outside the window as Mum's slipping away because we
weren't allowed to go in even though we'd been locked
down for however many weeks and things and you know,
so that was a very difficult time for our family.
And now I'm not grinding an axe on that. I
know they had some very difficult things to go through.
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But for the sake of me and thousands others who
went through very difficult times, you couldn't be with loved ones,
they should front up, and I think it's appalling that
they don't. So from that point of view, I have
a very condemn nature view of their you know, the
most open and transparent government ever ever, I'm sorry, and
you know Robertson could front their financial questions about the
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budget and things like that. I just you know, the
line that Chris Hipkins gave on Hoskin's show was like
I'm here with you right now. It's like, no, no,
you're not on oath, you're not presenting evidence publicly. And
I just think from the point of view of confidence,
I just think from I don't necessarily need to see them.
I mean, there might be some people are there doing
a favor because they'll be so triggered by it. I mean,
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you know, maybe those who don't like that the decisions
are made. Can just you know, maybe they've been done
a favor, but I just think that they've been asked to.
To me, it's simple, raw Commission have asked you to
peer in public, you should. And the other thing that
mildly stinks. I wish Chris Hipkins had been asked that
if it was just him being asked to a peer,
would he appear? And I think he would have. But
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it looks like they have got advice and the four
of them have colluded into crowding, into stonewalling any final appearance.
And that's politics too, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Yeah, Although I mean I think it's important to be
clear because I think the reporting has been a bit
emotion around some of it. To be frank that the
first Royal Commission covered the first lockdown, which.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Is no I'm just talking. I'm just talking about it.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
And this has actually been in an add on which
I mean, I actually quite like Jack tames take on
it this morning on news Talks. He'd be where he
put out that actually the root problem with this second
part of the Royal Commission is that it's been it
was overly politicized from the start, and that it was
a part of the coalition agreement with news In on
First and Act, and it was there to serve their
interests of their voters around the vaccine mandates.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
But the upside, the opportunity was only there because the
terms of reference of the first one were so narrowly defined,
so everyone was playing politics, and I just think the
one person who's not playing politics is ailing with the
guy who's running it. And I just sort of think, well,
does he come across as political to you? Doesn't to me?
Speaker 3 (22:50):
He's quite reasonable in his statements. I thought, In fact,
he wasn't. Didn't seem particularly phased about them choosing not to.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Maybe it's just sharpening his pencils. Anyway, Look, we all
make our minds up on that, but there we go.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
And it's amazing how emotional all still, isn't it. I mean,
it was such a traumatic and distressing time for us
as a country, and I think I do hope, honestly,
I genuinely hope despite what I've just said, that the
Royal Commission outcomes of both reports is that we can
actually put some kind of line under it and move
forward and figure out how to come back together around
To be honest, you.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Know, what I think. I did a bit of talkback
on this the other night, and a couple of years
ago would have been all night angry calls and all
that sort of thing didn't really register. People have actually
moved on, which is another reason I think they should.
You know, I don't think we are. We can talk
about it now with a degree of passion, but I
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just feel that we have actually moved on up to
a point. I mean the other you know, people have
got a certain position, but you know, we just sort
of get on with our lives now, don't we. Thank God?
Speaker 4 (23:52):
Exhaustion as well, isn't it Looking back at it was
a really tough time for people. They don't want to
relive it.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Yeah. Hey, on that theme, So there's a new law
being introduced that targets would have been described as disruptive
pro test outside the people's homes. So, you know, reports
of disruptive demonstrations out private outside private residences, particularly the
homes of MP's judges and other public officials, and they're
(24:17):
going to the legislations intend to stop that sort of behavior.
I'm one hundred percent with it. I agree. Leave them
alone at their private residence.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Car Yeah, so am I in principle. I'm not sure
why it's needed specifically because there are already laws around
disorderly behavior in public, which, of course, if you're outside
the footpath of somebody's house, you are actually contraventing the
law of your behaving disorderly. But I agree with you.
I think, you know, I mean, we talk a lot
about dosing public officials, you know, releasing public information about
their addresses and so on. I think, like I was
(24:48):
just saying about the Royal Commission, people should be free
to do with that that they do their job, even
if we disagree with how they're doing their job, without
fearing for their life or the safety of their family.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Yeah. Yeah, I think that what it's going to make
a difference is that you're just not there's still an
argument to be had legally about disorderly behavior, but now
it is if you're going to be protesting, bye bye,
don't do it. What do you reckon, Shane?
Speaker 4 (25:08):
Yeah, yeah, it clarifies the law because the rights protest
is protected under the Bill of Rights Act, so the
government would have to make, you know, the statement that
it's it's a justified limitation of that riot. And I
completely support it because it's part part of its signaling
as well, to say, look, where as public officials, like
every public official that I've ever spoken to about this
has stories about being threatened or abused or you know, worse,
(25:31):
and so it's about time that we have a bit
of a strong statement on that, and this law is
part of that statement. I think.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Complete consensus on that one.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
To look at that. I agree with a couple of
ransom leftist.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
I'd like to clarify for the record that I believe
the word rancid might be yours. I said, no, I'm
actually I've actually used it before.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
I worked with someone back on musical theater days and
if she was in a good mood, i'd say, hey, Nikki,
hey yeah, and she's going I am a rancid, and
it usually meant she was in a good mood. And
it's just a name that I've become one of my words. Anyway,
so it's a badge of honor. But you've left. Maybe
we should put an R on the back of you
at that rugby jersey you're wearing instead of a number.
Just anyway, Hey, look we'll have a cap of Tina
(26:22):
lie down back in a ticket's twenty four minutes to four. Yes,
welcome back. This is the Weekend Collective and my panelists
car MacDonald and Shane Henderson. I have got some love
(26:45):
mail for you on the text machine, Dallas says, I'm
loving these rancid lefties. No thanks, Dallis Dallas has slightly
for ransoid left himself. But no, I'm just kidding. I
think we've used that joke up now. It's definitely gone. Actually,
have you ever had rancid butter? I don't know, because
that's why. But it does go rancid, but I've never experienced.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
It like you're supposed to eat it.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
No, No, you're not supposed to it's gone ransom right
blue dots. I think, yeah, you're supposed to digest. That's
generally that's ransoid anyway. Hey, speaking of food and butter
and sweet treats, So if you want a sweet treat
at your next hospital trip, and you want some thick
(27:27):
icing or a largest gone, you're probably going to be
out of luck because hospital cafes they're basically the boating it.
The latest food policy a healthy food policy known as
the National Food and Drink Policy. It's been rolled around,
rolled out for all food and drink sold at Health
New Zealand, and it basically means you can't have the
big big jam done it with cream on the top.
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Kyle go.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Yeah, it's interesting, isn't it. I mean, I I well intentioned,
but comes off of that, how doesn't it? I mean,
I can understand there's a line there somewhere right like
no alcohol. Fine, of course you wouldn't want to be
able to buy a pack of sigis in the hospital.
That wouldn't make any sense.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
And I kind of you can understand them.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
I can understand that. How it gets understand the full
sugar soft drink. Although I have been guilty of looking
for a full sugar coke in the hospital from time
to time and then before I realized I couldn't find one.
But this feels a bit over the top, doesn't it.
I mean, well, only I do actually have to prefer
a potato top pie, so that's okay.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
But but they are only small ones. You can only
have a they have to be less than two hundred and.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Six of them done.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Actually, that is the solution sex of them. Shane. It's bonkers,
isn't it. I mean it is it's paternalistic sort of
health policy gone too far, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
Yeah, Look, honestly, I think people should be allowed to
make their own choices here or that. I mean, we
can handle this with labeling, can't we, Right, because they
have a traffic light system already, which is which is green,
amber and red on. This one's good, this one isn't.
We could at least put stickers or something on these
foods that people know what they're buying. Maybe that's an alternative.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
The thing, there's an argument when you're sick, right, And
I mean this has always been my rash. Now when
you're sick, actually, sometimes you just need some fairy, greasy
food and it might be the only thing that you
can actually sort of really get that food. You know,
last time I was in hospital, my family brought me
in a big dirty feed of macas and I was
just I was loving it.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
We almost need to charge them for that little comic.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
But you know what I mean, Like it's it's kind
of like sometimes when you're sick, you just need a
little bit of comfort food, don't you.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Oh. Absolutely, And look, people when they're in hospital, especially
the loved ones who are visiting someone who's in hospital.
You're not in hospital because everything's hunky dory, there's something
and sometimes you're stressed, you know what, You might just
want a little bit of a treat. And yeah, I
wonder if do you think this is going to be
wound back or are they going to stick with it?
Because it does seem pretty silly.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
It makes me think that maybe some wise food truck
venders need to be start parking out out the front
of Auckland Hospital with doughnuts and full sugar coke and
big meat pies.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
Well, it doesn't apply if you deliver the food, so
uber Eats could make a killing on this one as well.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Oh well, actually, I love the idea of a food
truck and I'm already trying to think of the name
or the slogan outside of it. And you're going to
get great care in here, but this food can kill you.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Get hold of an old ambulance.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Oh that's great, old ambulance. Cut the side in it.
It's like, you know, if this jam donuts get stuck
halfway down and we can help you out anyway, there
we go. It's a little bit of fun. By the way,
I did want to mention this just as a nice
pick me up of a story. And it's not something
to really for a discussion, but I saw and unless
(30:38):
we're going to be talking about this dolphin, and if
you are at the end of this hour, you know,
when we get to the end of this conversation, because
we want you to stay tuned with us, it's just
that's Did you see the story about that dolphin in
England joining a family on a morning swim And I
sort of saw the headline. I thought, oh, probably just
something where you see a you know, a thin pop
up and a tail or slap a couple of times
(31:00):
and this dolphin's literally playing with them and coming up
and it's like it's laughing, joking with him. So what
was you not nice feel good stories to like a
cream doughnut and a dolphin.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Perfect. Yeah, it's pretty cool. I mean, dolphins are pretty
amazing creatures, aren't they. I Mean there's all sorts of
stories of them trying to communicate with humans to help
other dolphins get rescued, and all sorts of cool stuff
once you go looking for it.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Yeah, I just mentioned it because we've talked about some
you know, nice swimming with the dolphins.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
Okay, oh yeah, cold and rainy like it is in
Auckland here where you go and check out this video.
It'll perk you right out.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Yeah, exactly, Now onto the I'm not sure if you
guys have now Kyle, you're a rugby fan obviously, especially
in an NPC man. This next story is a sports
story and you may not be into it. But the
America's Cup have made some changes and so they've introduced
things like they're going to have it's going to be
(31:54):
compulsory to have a female in the team. I love
the sixth seat where they can have either sponsors or
influencers just sitting there being part of the race. I
think it's a genius move. It's going to be they're
getting rid of the CYC laws, so there's going to
be more of a focus on sailing because it's going
to be charged by batteries and the challenges are all
going to form a partnership to help administer the event.
(32:16):
And to me, it feels like even if Grant Dalton
had to be drag kicking screening for a couple of
these things or not, I don't know, because he rated
it at about a seven and a half out of ten
in terms of how happy he was. I think what's
to complain about, Kyle, What do you reckon?
Speaker 4 (32:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Look, I actually I had a chat with it with
a mate who knows quite a bit about this actually,
and it sounds incredibly positive and specifically for New Zealand.
What they've done is effectively shifted the power away from
the big billionaires and said, let's all the teams come together,
let's share the costs, set the tournaments up properly, the
(32:53):
regattas sorry, properly, and share the profits in some way,
which actually keeps the America's Cup going. But the thing
that is really exciting is that if all the other
teams can have you know, two or three sailors from
another nation, where do you think they're going to come from.
They're going to come from New Zealand. Yeah, and obviously
the second sailors are incredibly talented. So it's incredibly good,
(33:13):
not just for New Zealand because actually, you know, Team
New Zealand's never had the billionaires, right, We've never had
the stack of cash behind us, so at levels of
playing field, I think it's going to be a bit
of a legacy for Grantdalton.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Actually I agree, and he seemed pretty happy. Tony Shane.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
Yeah, absolutely, of course he did. I mean they're in
a marketplace now then they're competing with other sports for attention, right,
and other sports are modernizing and becoming more sort of
glamorous and entertaining. Americas can't need to look at you know,
how can they make it a more entertaining, accessible product
for the public. Things like influencers that can do that.
It's kind of cool.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
I mean it can be anyone. I mean it's there.
So influencers have got millions and millions of followers. I mean,
imagine if they said to Taylor Swift, you know, come
out for a ride on. I mean, how many followers
has she got? And She's like, I can't believe I'm
on this yacht. Real timing on Instagram as long as
they have you know, they don't drop their phones somewhere.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
With the content, mister beasts broad casting it live on TikTok.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Actually, the other win is the spending cap. I can't
remember how much the spending cap is to one hundred
and fifty millions something.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
But the other part of it, which is the sort
of some of the details as well as the youth
regatta and the women's regatta which again is just going
to grow the sport in a way that can only
be good for New Zealand because we've never had the money.
We've become one of the best nations in the world
with carbon fiber and actually producing a lot of the componentory.
But we have incredible sailors here.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Yeah, and innovators technology. I mean, there's a reason we
keep winning. Of course, we've got some really bright people
on the technology. So I think the only thing that well,
if there was one thing that Grant dot might not
have been thrilled about, it was allowing a second person
from addicitionent different nationality, which means Peter Burling may be
doing a Russell Kotz, although not necessary with the level
(34:55):
of hatred that Courts got. But as I mean, I'd
love it if we want it again with these rules,
I think it's good news.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
So yeah, it's great for us. We've got the brains
and not necessarily the money. That's the story of our country,
and you know we're poised to really succeed here.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Yeah. And if anyone from the America's Cup team New
Zealanders listening, I'm happy. If you really have a struggle
to fill that sixth place for one of the races.
I'll go on there and I'll be I'll be giving
you the Love's very good at you.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
You could sing them around.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
The course to I think i'd be required to be quiet.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
I suspect you could see seah goodness.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
Now that's entertaining. That's great.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Ah, thank you, Kyle. I don't think I've ever sung
a sea shanty in my life, but you know, but
never know that. Roy. We're going to take a moment.
We'll be back in just to tech. We're with Shane
Henderson and Carle MacDonald. This is News Talk, said b
It's twelve minutes to four. Yes, welcome back. This is
the panel Tim Beverage with car MacDonald and Shane Henderson.
Now finally, look, the Kii Rail has settled with Hyundai
(35:59):
four one hundred and forty four million dollar final payment
following the cancelation of the project I. Rexes Winston's been
critical obviously of well the deal which was wasn't so
much about the fairies, it was about the infrastructure that
went with them. So we're spending something, hopefully to save something,
and the proof of the pudding will be in the
(36:19):
eating chain, won't it when the deal finally gets announced.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
Yeah, sure, Well but a really really rough headline for
the government one hundred and forty four million dollars to
not get fairies. That's pretty tough, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (36:30):
I guess? But they I guess that it's the choice
of the headline writer, isn't it, because you could say,
spen z one hundred and forty four million to save
three billion. I'm not sure Kyle that it feels like
we're halfway through the story still and it could still
be a win or a lose for the government.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
Two microphone on two thirds of a billion and counting
in no boats so far is the other way to
look at it. Of course, Look it's a bit like
Dnedan hospital, isn't it. I mean, it seems to me
that actually this is a wider problem of actually politicized
funding that you know, one party starts something, the other
party wants to turn it around, and then in the
midst of all of that actually is and taxpayers money
(37:06):
that's sort of going down the toilet. I think labor
and National probably both have have you know, actually some
blame here, But the problem is is that we still
don't have any ferries and none in sight, right, and
you know I hate to think what happens when New
Zealand can't actually New Zealanders can't get from one island
to the other because we get to the point where
none of the fairies are working.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
Fingers crossed is my motto? How hopeful? Actually that would be.
There would be a good motto, Tim Beverbridge, for such
and such. What's your motto? Fingers crossed? Optimist?
Speaker 3 (37:37):
It'll be fine, it's optimistic, it's great.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
Actually, we should mention that this is just for your
amusement before we wrap it up. I need a couple
of minutes to go. My producer Tira just drew to
my attention that the Opportunities Party TOP are looking for
a new leader and they're advertising on seek political party
leader to lead TOP into the future because kiwis deserve
(38:00):
better location anywhere in our tower, but be ready to
travel type full time.
Speaker 5 (38:07):
It seems could this be a serious listing or is
it that they were hoping it gets noticed by someone
like my producer and me, who let everyone know that
we're looking for a new leader for the Opportunity's Party,
but advertising on Sikh Kyle you wanted to get back
into politics at some station in you or not.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
Yeah, there's a bit of a pipeline of people who
get frustrated with the Green Party, which is not me.
I would have to say, sort of migrating across the top.
I have known. Just to be clear, I have no interest.
I think it's interesting they need to advertise. That's all
I'll say.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Did they still poll? Do they still get a point
or something?
Speaker 3 (38:44):
And again, to be fair to them, they actually have
some pretty great policies, particularly around housing and housing affordability,
but they have struggled to get traction, haven't they. I mean, unfortunately,
I think whenever you say topped to with people who've
been around politics for a while, all you can think
of is now they don't like the cats they.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
That's actually how we ended up finding it because Gareth
Morgan's came up. Name came up because we're talking about
possums and can it's and I think ty gone onto
the Google and just this thing popped up top of
looking for a new party.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
Yeah, well that's exactly it. It's so hard to change
that public perception, right, Look, it's it's got to.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Be a stunt. Surely are they can we all.
Speaker 4 (39:19):
Apply or what's going on?
Speaker 2 (39:20):
Well, you can apply if you like. Well, I'm spoken all,
but there'll be people you might not be in a
month or two. Sorry, Oh that's a fair six.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
I think it's crossed. I bus crossed.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Introduces new motto for the party.
Speaker 5 (39:40):
What is it?
Speaker 2 (39:41):
Fingers crossed?
Speaker 3 (39:41):
Fingers cross We still hate cats?
Speaker 5 (39:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (39:46):
What have you gotten the nutt Club? Anything interesting coming
up this week? It's always interesting of course in Nutters Club,
isn't it? Yeah it is.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
We do have a guest and it's my materially slept
my mind who it is. I'm very sorry to say,
but we do have a guest this week, So tune
in and you will find out who it is tomorrow night, Sunday.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
Excellent and I thanks so much. Good to see and Shane,
Shane Henderson and car McDonald. That concludes our panel. By
the way, I would say that was that was a
lot of fun. And if you joined halfway and you thought, god,
that sound like fun. What else they talk about? Well
you can go and check it out on our podcast.
You can go the news talk zb website and just
look for the Weekend Collective and we get the hour
(40:23):
up pretty quickly because my producer Tyra moves like the wind,
so I'm guessing it will just be a matter of
two or three minutes. No pressure, Tyra. Anyway, We'll be
back with the One Roof Radio Show. How should you
sell your house? Auction, private sale, whatever, but also timing
if you're selling and buying, how do you get that
timing you what do you have to get right and
(40:44):
where can you go wrong. We'll be exploring that with
Martin Cooper and just a moment for the One Roof
Radio Show. It is three and a half minutes to four.
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That a very good afternoon. I'm too on Tim Beverage,
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Looking forward to company over the next three hours. I
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(01:25):
who I'll be introducing shortly, but we'll just look a
little further ahead to when we will be taking your
calls on eight hundred and eighty ten and eighty four
the one roof Radio show. Martin Cooper. He's a managing
director of Cooper and Co Harcotz. I think is the
name of the company that we're going to talk about
buying and selling in the same market, but the whole
the machinations around you know, you're selling to buy and
(01:46):
buy and how you time it, and we also have
been means a bit of a chat in this market,
what the best way of selling your household methods of
your house is, methods of sale, whether it be you know, auction, price,
by negotiation, my personal non favorite the tender, but sometimes
there's a time for that as well. So we're talking
about that for the one roof radio show taking your
calls after five Parents Squad. Nathan Wallace is with us.
(02:08):
He's a neuroscience educator. I'm talking about the early years
and early attachment and you know just what we can
learn about that and with forming and how important it
is to form an attachment with your child in the
early years. But also if we got time, we'll talk
about coping with failure in sports, because you know, we
(02:29):
can all see it with the kids. They work hard
and they have a couple of bad games, maybe three
or four games, and then they get down. So we
might do a little bit of sports psychology for your
kids as well. And the sports rap will be joined
by Superman him South Christopher Reeve lots to cover off
their Auckland Taranaki Hawks, Bay North Harbor Warriors and Raiders,
and actually he's been doing some great reporting about the
America's Cup changes. So I'm gonna succumb to the temptation
(02:51):
to talk to him a little bit about that if
we get the time, lots to get and too welcome
for the Weekend Collective it is coming up to nine
minutes past three.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Insightful, entertaining and always old points. Tim Beveridge on the
Weekend Collective News Talks.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
B Yes, some time to introduce my illustrious panelists, the
self described couple of rancid lefties. I don't know anyway, Hey, look,
first off the block, he's well known to your because
the hosts works on the Nutterers Club, host of the
Nutders Club, and his name is and his guest on.
He's been on, he's been on our Health Hub. We've
(03:25):
probably got to get him on the Parents Quad. Then
we'll probably get him on property. Who knows he's here?
Resplendent and I love this because if I was going
to get back into rugby, it would be for the NPC.
He's wearing an old school Auckland NPC jersey. It's Carl
McDonald get a car.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Yeah, cure representing the blue and white hoops.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Yes, yes, And it is something I like the retro feel,
and I wonder if you know the NPC's looks like
it's been getting some fair bit of interest from people
in their respective provinces, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Yeah, look it's great. It's it's the heart end of
rugby these days, is it, with sort of the flashiness
of super rugby.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
So yeah, and come on the Bay. And when I
say they, I mean Bay have plenty. I haven't seen
the score lately for oh cannabaries up on them at
fourteen to seven. Hey, I love the fact that you've
got an old school jersey, but I'm kind of disappointed
you've got a big white panel on the back with
no number.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Well I never actually paid for Auckland, I.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Mean no, no, But if you're going to have a
white patch on the back, that's the place to put
the number. What number? Well, you could put number sixteen
or something like I.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Could I mean I did play. I did play for
the technogram first fifteen at lock, so you probably need
to be number four or five.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Okay, Well what's the reserve lock position? Then for Auckland
you could go that number twenty one? Yeah, nineteen. We
were remembiniscing about that the old days of Junior Advisory
Board Rugby JBAH back when you turn up at the
first game of the day and rode a rual with us.
It was the Kahakura Wetters, which we liked the fact
we were named after a fairly ugly insect. Frosty days
(04:55):
kicking that water logged rugby ball. Sometimes we go at
least five minuts pre boots yep, pre boots.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Yeah, I remember those days in Parmaston, North It was
probably wasn't quite as cold, it was bad.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Enough were scoring. One of my uncle was a former
headmaster of Auckland Grammer. He was a great enthusiast for
coming to watch us play rugby anytime he could. And
it was just down road room and he came in.
He used to cheer really loudly. And I had the
ball and I was running away and I heard this
come on tim sort of thing, and I looked over
to him and I tripped over and went splat. But
(05:25):
I didn't realize I already crossed the line. I think
it was like Forrest Gump put the ball anyway. I'm
not sure if he's going to share some similar stories
with us on probably a bit younger than us, I
suspect he's counselor for White Tarkeety and his name is
Shane Henderson. Hey Shane, how are you going? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (05:44):
You get a fantastic mate. Great to be here.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Give me for get along to watch the Saturday morning
sport or anything or what's your what's your guilty pleasure?
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Absolutely so I've got kids in that ball in rugby league,
so Saturday morning is my time.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
I love it. What age of yours ten and six?
Isn't it a great isn't it a great age? It's
such a great age.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
There's so much joy around it, and it's sort of
less that sort of fearsome competitian stuff and more kind
of just having fun and enjoying the game.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
And that's the kids, obviously not necessarily the adults all
the time. Hopefully the adults made We had an interesting
one in our game because the coach of the other
side didn't approve of the umpire and went onto the
pitch and there was a bit of an argument and
I was like, come on, pull you ahead in but
it was like, you know, the kids having great time anyway.
So I won't mention any more about that because I'll
probably at tempted to name the club, but I won't.
(06:29):
I won't. I'll keep it to myself. Anyway. Hey, let's
get on with the big stuff, shall we, Trump, Putin
the meeting. Look, we don't know what's really going to
come out of it. Trump looks like he was happy
with it. Putin looks delighted to be there. And I
can't help but think that, you know, if nothing comes
of it, it'll just be a win for Putin because
(06:50):
he's managed to have time in front of the cameras
after being sort of exiled that he's been spending some
quality time with the president. Kyle, what do you think.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
I'd love to be a fly on the wall. Do
you think this? Do you think this small talk? Do
you think they get along? I mean, I'm a bit
of a history nerd, right, so I sort of read
about the Malta Conference and you know, those great meeting
of minds around World War Two, which sounded like we're
quite tricky at times, but also kind of Roosevelt in
church Will kind of ready got along and enjoyed sort
of sharing a drink. Can you imagine Trump doesn't drink,
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but you imagine sitting having a cocoa at the end
of the night and talking about the kids and no, no,
it'd be kind of weird.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Well, I still remember that. Remember when they had the
one on one with no one around and Trump tore
up the interpreter's notes. No one was allowed to see them,
and that's when everyone's I mean, you know, we should
be concerned about that. But I'm rooting for Trump to
do a deal. I mean, go Trump, be absolutely yeah.
I mean, it's been harassing Norway apparently for a peace price,
so he might actually have to do something to get one,
rather than just radomly calling Norwigian members of parliament. Yeah,
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what do you make of it? Shane?
Speaker 4 (07:53):
Yeah, and that's a good point. Maybe that is all
part of it, the peace prize push, because we're seeing
that alone all over the place. He's really lobbying for that.
But you know, this isn't Pudin's first go around around
the Mountaine. He's been in power nearly twenty five years,
so he knows exactly what's going on and getting some
good propaganda wins for him probably.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Actually funny thing is, I don't really think Trump is
any more likely nor less likely to do a deal
on it, really, because the war has been dragging on.
It has not been great for the Russian people either,
regardless of how the Russians might deny the loss of
life of Russian soldiers at Ukraine, and it just can't
keep dragging on. And look, I'd love to see Trump
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get a win with this.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Well, I mean, I'm all for peace. I don't really
care how you get there, right, But I think the
troubling thing is that Ukraine are just sort of at
this point and Europe more or less of being ignored. Right,
They're not at the table, So who knows where there
are a deal that the two of them are able
to come up to will be palaceable to everybody else.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
I think my biggest fear of it was we look,
and we do know Trump's one of Trump's Trump's foibles,
as he is susceptible to being complimented, and you can
see the way everyone deals with them. They polishes apple,
you know, almost with an industrial polisher, and Putin would
be great at playing that game. And I just worry
that old Volodimia Zelensky is going to end up becoming
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the whipping boy when he doesn't agree to the terms.
But I don't know, maybe Trump has had a little
bit of a reality check on Putin, do you think, Shane.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Yeah, potentially, And you know, Zelensky has been quite public
around the summit and saying, look, we should be invited,
Europe should be in the room. And the feeling of exclusion.
I think that really amplifies that when you're looking at
Trump loves to be complimented, he loves to have his
shoes polished, and you know that's what the environment's going
to be like.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Potentially, I reckon they should just they should both meet
and be they should have to have the meeting and
with the Auckland Council and they'd want to wrap it
up pretty quickly and Wayne to just say, come on,
you guys, stop messing around, just get a deal.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
And my experience had to make the meeting longer.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Not sure, well, okay, fair enough now on look and
well it's obviously it's a feast that's going to keep moving.
We'll be covering it probably tomorrow for our politics show.
The upshot of it all. Now, Chloe Swarbrick barred from Parliament.
I guess I mean the comics she made. I mean
(10:11):
I must say that it's the shouting that gets to
me a little bit. But the comics she made about
spinalists technically was not something she should have said. I've
seen plenty of people make comments where the Speaker has objected,
and I've thought, oh, that's not a big deal, but
they go out withdraw and apologize, sit down and carry on.
But of course she didn't withdraw and apologize, so then
she was evicted. She obviously got under Jerry's skin a
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little bit as well. So I gather she was expelled
for not withdrawing and apologized as asked to do. When
you've just simply go out withdraw and apologize and you've left,
I mean, the sounds of what you've just said are
still reverberating around the chamber. Anyway, what do you reckon, Carle?
Speaker 3 (10:46):
I think it was a very, if I can be
a political wonk for a moment, it was an incredibly
poor performance by the Speaker. Actually, he didn't follow standing
orders and he's set some pretty awkward sort of precedents
around how you actually deal with and something that Parliament
objects to. Because and I'll tell you the interesting tell right,
(11:08):
the thing that told you that he was way, of course,
was Winston Peters was actually supporting Chloe Swabrek. He said,
I don't agree with what she said, but I do
not think the members should have been removed from the House.
And I'll tell you what, when Winston's swinging over to
support one of the Greens, you know that the speaker's
way off tracked.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Yeah, although she could have just withdrawn and apologize and
actual people go, oh, john Key got away with it.
I mean I heard David Carter talking about he said, well,
I probably should have thrown him out, and he should.
I mean the fact that there's been a poor precedent before,
doesn't I mean that happened before under a different speaker,
how many years ago. It's like, I mean, David Carter
made the point that as speaker there are things that
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slipped past you all the time. Jerry clearly has fought mistake.
She got under his skin, didn't it. Yeah?
Speaker 4 (11:48):
Yeah, And it was interesting that Winston Peter's comment backing
up Chloe because he's the king of the one liners, right,
he doesn't want a precedent set where people are getting
barred from the House for things that actually I've heard
a lot worse in Parliament. And as you say, you
have the withdraw and apologize. That's usually in the most
acidic tone that the speaker can possibly do, so that
might have been a well.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Often the withdrawing and apologizing from the person who's withdrawing
and apologizing is done and quite an eye withdrawal apologize
as I'm like, they just say the words. But and
then it became all about Chloe unfortunately.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
I guess well, I mean, I think what it did
do though, was it it really shone the light unfortunately
internationally on New Zealand because it was a story that
was actually covered all the way from the PBS and
the US all the way through the Middle East media
around the outcome being that New Zealand has not actually
made a statement of support for Palestine or actually officially
condemned Israel's actions in Gaza City, which most Western nations,
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including Australia now have done.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
So.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
One of the things about a lot of these theatrics
in politics is that it really actually takes away from
the substance of the issue, which is that New Zealand
really needs to take a stand alongside its allies and
condemn what's happening in Gaza.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Yeah, which they have time to do to be fair
they do Australia France though, no, no, no, But here's
the thing. Australia, France and the other countries that are
going to haven't formed done it yet. It's going to
happen in September and in leaders week, so we have
time to make a decision on what we do. And
I don't have a problem with that, because I mean,
that's some of the speechers like we've got to do
something as terrible things happening, as if this will make
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a blind bit of difference to the actual problems that
we're seeing right now. Ironically, the most effective thing that
was said, I thought was Luxon saying that who's lost
the plot? Which I sort of cheered for Shane.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Yeah, and it was a great New Zealanders and isn't
it You sort of hear at a rugby game, Oh
guys lost the plot mate, you know sort of thing.
So I really enjoyed that. It's look, we enjoyed that.
The Green Party. I think I think there'll be frustrations
about a sort of perceived lack of independent foreign policy,
which we pride ourselves on as a country, going back
to the nuclear free moments and things like that, and
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so I think there's a desire to follow that precedent
that we've sort of set in our own minds.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Yeah, sorry, I didn't you have to explain that to
me again.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
Sorry, Yeah, yeah, So you know, I think that the
New Zealanders think we have an independent foreign policy and
we stand up for what's right and it doesn't really
matter whether Australia join US, UK join US, et cetera,
et cetera. And we're being followers in the situation, not leaders.
And I think that's where frustration is occurring.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
With respect. We are doing exactly what we want to
do and we are being independix. We're not just jumping
on the bandwagon and going I mean the opposite point
can make can be made. England are doing it, France
are doing it. We're taking our time and we probably
will do it. I guess what do you think?
Speaker 3 (14:31):
I think I think this is a really easy fix. Actually,
I think and Prime Minister de lux And just needs
to submit to a full body X ray and we'll
find out whether he does indeed have a spine. There
might be a couple of vertebrains.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
I told you a couple of ransom lefties on the
panel I wouldn't want you to disappoint me, but I mean,
here's the thing, though it is okay, would you support
a Palestinian state acknowledging a Palestinian state with Hamas at
the head of it, because that is one of the
mind you most of them are saying it relies. So
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here's here's the catch. I think Australia and a couple
of the other ones have said we support a separate
Palestinian state with demilitarization and Maas removed. And the fact
is those are a couple of big prayer because its
aren't they.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Well, I think we actually have to come back to
what's happening right now. I think what we need to
be focused on is that right now there are innocent
people trying to access aid who are being killed in
the process. It's horrendous excess food. Those bigger solutions are
you know, we've there's been decades of trying to figure
that out, and of course there needs to be more
work done on it, but right now I think it's
time to actually say, you know, Israel needs to back
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off and actually let people access the food and aid
and let the food and aid into Gaza.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
See that you know what. You're right, You've brought it
back to what the issue is, because a lot of
this stuff is I mean, someone could say virtue signal
all this stuff, it's not even any effect as long
unless there are meaningful sanctions against Israel that make them
stop and think. But I don't think Netan Yahu. Here's
the thing I've written ages ago about. You know, when
they say free Palestine, they need to Palestine from Hamas,
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and I think absolute that needs to happen. But Hamas
don't care about the Palestinian people. I don't believe because
they would have handled the hostages back. And Netanyah clearly
doesn't care about the hostages because saying you're going to
have a full scale invasion of Gaza is pretty much
signing their death warrant, doesn't it.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
Shane, Yeah, yeah, And I think Cole's wright it's you know,
leading on that humanitarian element and just really sharply focusing
on that, because if you zoom out into some of
these other issues, it can be an excuse to not
make statements and to sort of stay on the sidelines.
That can be a challenge.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Ah, you are a politician, aren't you Listen?
Speaker 4 (16:37):
This election time as well.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Oh that's right, so you're gonna be playing at knives
and say, we've been not talking about Auckland council politics.
I think because we were within the we're within the cycle,
so we had to stick away, keep well away from
that stuff. That sounds good, ah, very good idea. Gosh. Oh,
by the way, just before we go to the break,
I sort of much as I it was irritated by
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the Israeli minister who had a crack at him Luxan
for saying, you know, letting out his last the plot.
I still sort of laughed when she said the most
dangerous thing we've got here is possums, and I thought,
thank goodness for that. But what was any take on
the follow up to that.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
I don't think possums are that dangerous.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
Well, it was possums and cats, possims. I heard Gareth
Morgan nodding from somewhere.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Dangerous a possum or an angry cat? It depends we
have to define.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
I think I'd rather tackle a cat than a possum. Really, yeah, what.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Depends if we narrow the definition of cat to your
domestic maggie, Because so I wouldn't take on a tiger.
But anyway, I'm just shifting the goalposts in the middle
of that conversation before we take a break. It is
twenty three and a half past past three. We've got
lots to talk about, and up next we'll be having
a chat about well, there's some new laws around protesting
and guidelines for hospitals. But of course there's talk about
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whether the former members of the cabinet should be fronting
in forms of Duran Hipkins, et cetera. Get these guys
take on that and just a moment twenty four past
three News Talks, he'd be there is the Weekend Collective.
(18:13):
I'm Tim Beverdge. My panelists are car MacDonald and Shane Henderson. Now, guys,
the obviously the Royal Commission has a bit of a
bit of a lot of chat about that. Today the
Royal Commission has asked Sindra Durn, Chris Hopkins, Robertson and
Verel to appear at a public hearing and they've declined
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to a peer. There was a poll I think that
showed that most people think they should have appeared. And
which side of it are you on?
Speaker 4 (18:40):
The Shane, Oh yeah, probably, yeah, definitely they've they've put
on so much information. Apparently even the chair of the
Royal Commission Inquiry have said, look, they've thrown all the
information in. So you know, personally, I'm thinking, well, what
do they actually need to do in terms of appearing.
I think they've they've sorted it, haven't they.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Well they've been asked to a peer, and I guess
if they've been asked to a peer, the Commission would
like to have them a peer, and so I think
they a peer. What do you reckon?
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Car?
Speaker 2 (19:07):
I know it's complex in terms of a whole bunch
of things.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
But look, I think there's two things for me. The
first one is that there's actually a precedent that politicians
don't appear publicly at Royal commissions. As I understand it,
there's been a few exceptions where people have volunteered to
do that differently. But I think, you know what came
to mind for me was you know we I mean,
and I've had conversations with a couple of people who
are actually in the previous government about this. It was
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actually quite a terrifying time around the parliament protests, and
I can really understand for whether it be for their
safety or for the safety of their family that they
would much prefer to honestly and you know, simply give
their testimony, which they did to the Commission's satisfaction. Privately
and frankly, this sort of it all smells a bit
of a political beat up to me. You know, the
information's being given. I think the argument of the Royal
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Commission was that it would give some public confidence if
they appeared publicly. But given that the focus has been
around the vaccines, I think it could actually be quite
dangerous for the people to appear.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
I don't know if there's any different level of danger
to them though. I mean, Ja Sindra Dun's made public
appearances promoting a book and stuff, and if people wanted
to cut up stuff from that. You know, they're worried
about people using the online stuff and like I guess
I've got I've got a bit of a personal straw,
which is without necessarily an extra grind. But during Level
four my mum died and until the humanity of the
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people in the care home kicked in my brother. I've
got a photo of my brother and my sister in
law outside the window as Mum's slipping away because we
weren't allowed to go in even though we'd been locked
down for however many weeks and things and you know,
so that was a very difficult time for our family.
And now I'm not grinding an axe on that. I
know they had some very difficult things to go through.
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But for the sake of me and thousands others who
went through very difficult times, you couldn't be with loved ones,
they should front up, and I think it's appalling that
they don't. So from that point of view, I have
a very condemn nature view of their you know, the
most open and transparent government ever ever, I'm sorry, and
you know Robertson could front their financial questions about the
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budget and things like that. I just you know, the
line that Chris Hipkins gave on Hoskin's show was like
I'm here with you right now. It's like, no, no,
you're not on oath, you're not presenting evidence publicly. And
I just think from the point of view of confidence,
I just think from I don't necessarily need to see them.
I mean, there might be some people are there doing
a favor because they'll be so triggered by it. I mean,
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you know, maybe those who don't like that the decisions
are made. Can just you know, maybe they've been done
a favor, but I just think that they've been asked to.
To me, it's simple, raw Commission have asked you to
peer in public, you should. And the other thing that
mildly stinks. I wish Chris Hipkins had been asked that
if it was just him being asked to a peer,
would he appear? And I think he would have. But
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it looks like they have got advice and the four
of them have colluded into crowding, into stonewalling any final appearance.
And that's politics too, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Yeah, Although I mean I think it's important to be
clear because I think the reporting has been a bit
emotion around some of it. To be frank that the
first Royal Commission covered the first lockdown, which.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Is no I'm just talking. I'm just talking about it.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
And this has actually been in an add on which
I mean, I actually quite like Jack tames take on
it this morning on news Talks. He'd be where he
put out that actually the root problem with this second
part of the Royal Commission is that it's been it
was overly politicized from the start, and that it was
a part of the coalition agreement with news In on
First and Act, and it was there to serve their
interests of their voters around the vaccine mandates.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
But the upside, the opportunity was only there because the
terms of reference of the first one were so narrowly defined,
so everyone was playing politics, and I just think the
one person who's not playing politics is ailing with the
guy who's running it. And I just sort of think, well,
does he come across as political to you? Doesn't to me?
Speaker 3 (22:50):
He's quite reasonable in his statements. I thought, In fact,
he wasn't. Didn't seem particularly phased about them choosing not to.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Maybe it's just sharpening his pencils. Anyway, Look, we all
make our minds up on that, but there we go.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
And it's amazing how emotional all still, isn't it. I mean,
it was such a traumatic and distressing time for us
as a country, and I think I do hope, honestly,
I genuinely hope despite what I've just said, that the
Royal Commission outcomes of both reports is that we can
actually put some kind of line under it and move
forward and figure out how to come back together around
To be honest, you.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Know, what I think. I did a bit of talkback
on this the other night, and a couple of years
ago would have been all night angry calls and all
that sort of thing didn't really register. People have actually
moved on, which is another reason I think they should.
You know, I don't think we are. We can talk
about it now with a degree of passion, but I
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just feel that we have actually moved on up to
a point. I mean the other you know, people have
got a certain position, but you know, we just sort
of get on with our lives now, don't we. Thank God?
Speaker 4 (23:52):
Exhaustion as well, isn't it Looking back at it was
a really tough time for people. They don't want to
relive it.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Yeah. Hey, on that theme, So there's a new law
being introduced that targets would have been described as disruptive
pro test outside the people's homes. So, you know, reports
of disruptive demonstrations out private outside private residences, particularly the
homes of MP's judges and other public officials, and they're
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going to the legislations intend to stop that sort of behavior.
I'm one hundred percent with it. I agree. Leave them
alone at their private residence.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Car Yeah, so am I in principle. I'm not sure
why it's needed specifically because there are already laws around
disorderly behavior in public, which, of course, if you're outside
the footpath of somebody's house, you are actually contraventing the
law of your behaving disorderly. But I agree with you.
I think, you know, I mean, we talk a lot
about dosing public officials, you know, releasing public information about
their addresses and so on. I think, like I was
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just saying about the Royal Commission, people should be free
to do with that that they do their job, even
if we disagree with how they're doing their job, without
fearing for their life or the safety of their family.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Yeah. Yeah, I think that what it's going to make
a difference is that you're just not there's still an
argument to be had legally about disorderly behavior, but now
it is if you're going to be protesting, bye bye,
don't do it. What do you reckon, Shane?
Speaker 4 (25:08):
Yeah, yeah, it clarifies the law because the rights protest
is protected under the Bill of Rights Act, so the
government would have to make, you know, the statement that
it's it's a justified limitation of that riot. And I
completely support it because it's part part of its signaling
as well, to say, look, where as public officials, like
every public official that I've ever spoken to about this
has stories about being threatened or abused or you know, worse,
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and so it's about time that we have a bit
of a strong statement on that, and this law is
part of that statement. I think.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Complete consensus on that one.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
To look at that. I agree with a couple of
ransom leftist.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
I'd like to clarify for the record that I believe
the word rancid might be yours. I said, no, I'm
actually I've actually used it before.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
I worked with someone back on musical theater days and
if she was in a good mood, i'd say, hey, Nikki,
hey yeah, and she's going I am a rancid, and
it usually meant she was in a good mood. And
it's just a name that I've become one of my words. Anyway,
so it's a badge of honor. But you've left. Maybe
we should put an R on the back of you
at that rugby jersey you're wearing instead of a number.
Just anyway, Hey, look we'll have a cap of Tina
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lie down back in a ticket's twenty four minutes to four. Yes,
welcome back. This is the Weekend Collective and my panelists
car MacDonald and Shane Henderson. I have got some love
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mail for you on the text machine, Dallas says, I'm
loving these rancid lefties. No thanks, Dallis Dallas has slightly
for ransoid left himself. But no, I'm just kidding. I
think we've used that joke up now. It's definitely gone. Actually,
have you ever had rancid butter? I don't know, because
that's why. But it does go rancid, but I've never experienced.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
It like you're supposed to eat it.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
No, No, you're not supposed to it's gone ransom right
blue dots. I think, yeah, you're supposed to digest. That's
generally that's ransoid anyway. Hey, speaking of food and butter
and sweet treats, So if you want a sweet treat
at your next hospital trip, and you want some thick
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icing or a largest gone, you're probably going to be
out of luck because hospital cafes they're basically the boating it.
The latest food policy a healthy food policy known as
the National Food and Drink Policy. It's been rolled around,
rolled out for all food and drink sold at Health
New Zealand, and it basically means you can't have the
big big jam done it with cream on the top.
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Kyle go.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Yeah, it's interesting, isn't it. I mean, I I well intentioned,
but comes off of that, how doesn't it? I mean,
I can understand there's a line there somewhere right like
no alcohol. Fine, of course you wouldn't want to be
able to buy a pack of sigis in the hospital.
That wouldn't make any sense.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
And I kind of you can understand them.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
I can understand that. How it gets understand the full
sugar soft drink. Although I have been guilty of looking
for a full sugar coke in the hospital from time
to time and then before I realized I couldn't find one.
But this feels a bit over the top, doesn't it.
I mean, well, only I do actually have to prefer
a potato top pie, so that's okay.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
But but they are only small ones. You can only
have a they have to be less than two hundred and.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Six of them done.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Actually, that is the solution sex of them. Shane. It's bonkers,
isn't it. I mean it is it's paternalistic sort of
health policy gone too far, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
Yeah, Look, honestly, I think people should be allowed to
make their own choices here or that. I mean, we
can handle this with labeling, can't we, Right, because they
have a traffic light system already, which is which is green,
amber and red on. This one's good, this one isn't.
We could at least put stickers or something on these
foods that people know what they're buying. Maybe that's an alternative.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
The thing, there's an argument when you're sick, right, And
I mean this has always been my rash. Now when
you're sick, actually, sometimes you just need some fairy, greasy
food and it might be the only thing that you
can actually sort of really get that food. You know,
last time I was in hospital, my family brought me
in a big dirty feed of macas and I was
just I was loving it.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
We almost need to charge them for that little comic.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
But you know what I mean, Like it's it's kind
of like sometimes when you're sick, you just need a
little bit of comfort food, don't you.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Oh. Absolutely, And look, people when they're in hospital, especially
the loved ones who are visiting someone who's in hospital.
You're not in hospital because everything's hunky dory, there's something
and sometimes you're stressed, you know what, You might just
want a little bit of a treat. And yeah, I
wonder if do you think this is going to be
wound back or are they going to stick with it?
Because it does seem pretty silly.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
It makes me think that maybe some wise food truck
venders need to be start parking out out the front
of Auckland Hospital with doughnuts and full sugar coke and
big meat pies.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
Well, it doesn't apply if you deliver the food, so
uber Eats could make a killing on this one as well.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Oh well, actually, I love the idea of a food
truck and I'm already trying to think of the name
or the slogan outside of it. And you're going to
get great care in here, but this food can kill you.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Get hold of an old ambulance.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Oh that's great, old ambulance. Cut the side in it.
It's like, you know, if this jam donuts get stuck
halfway down and we can help you out anyway, there
we go. It's a little bit of fun. By the way,
I did want to mention this just as a nice
pick me up of a story. And it's not something
to really for a discussion, but I saw and unless
(30:38):
we're going to be talking about this dolphin, and if
you are at the end of this hour, you know,
when we get to the end of this conversation, because
we want you to stay tuned with us, it's just
that's Did you see the story about that dolphin in
England joining a family on a morning swim And I
sort of saw the headline. I thought, oh, probably just
something where you see a you know, a thin pop
up and a tail or slap a couple of times
(31:00):
and this dolphin's literally playing with them and coming up
and it's like it's laughing, joking with him. So what
was you not nice feel good stories to like a
cream doughnut and a dolphin.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Perfect. Yeah, it's pretty cool. I mean, dolphins are pretty
amazing creatures, aren't they. I Mean there's all sorts of
stories of them trying to communicate with humans to help
other dolphins get rescued, and all sorts of cool stuff
once you go looking for it.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Yeah, I just mentioned it because we've talked about some
you know, nice swimming with the dolphins.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
Okay, oh yeah, cold and rainy like it is in
Auckland here where you go and check out this video.
It'll perk you right out.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Yeah, exactly, Now onto the I'm not sure if you
guys have now Kyle, you're a rugby fan obviously, especially
in an NPC man. This next story is a sports
story and you may not be into it. But the
America's Cup have made some changes and so they've introduced
things like they're going to have it's going to be
(31:54):
compulsory to have a female in the team. I love
the sixth seat where they can have either sponsors or
influencers just sitting there being part of the race. I
think it's a genius move. It's going to be they're
getting rid of the CYC laws, so there's going to
be more of a focus on sailing because it's going
to be charged by batteries and the challenges are all
going to form a partnership to help administer the event.
(32:16):
And to me, it feels like even if Grant Dalton
had to be drag kicking screening for a couple of
these things or not, I don't know, because he rated
it at about a seven and a half out of ten
in terms of how happy he was. I think what's
to complain about, Kyle, What do you reckon?
Speaker 4 (32:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Look, I actually I had a chat with it with
a mate who knows quite a bit about this actually,
and it sounds incredibly positive and specifically for New Zealand.
What they've done is effectively shifted the power away from
the big billionaires and said, let's all the teams come together,
let's share the costs, set the tournaments up properly, the
(32:53):
regattas sorry, properly, and share the profits in some way,
which actually keeps the America's Cup going. But the thing
that is really exciting is that if all the other
teams can have you know, two or three sailors from
another nation, where do you think they're going to come from.
They're going to come from New Zealand. Yeah, and obviously
the second sailors are incredibly talented. So it's incredibly good,
(33:13):
not just for New Zealand because actually, you know, Team
New Zealand's never had the billionaires, right, We've never had
the stack of cash behind us, so at levels of
playing field, I think it's going to be a bit
of a legacy for Grantdalton.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Actually I agree, and he seemed pretty happy. Tony Shane.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
Yeah, absolutely, of course he did. I mean they're in
a marketplace now then they're competing with other sports for attention, right,
and other sports are modernizing and becoming more sort of
glamorous and entertaining. Americas can't need to look at you know,
how can they make it a more entertaining, accessible product
for the public. Things like influencers that can do that.
It's kind of cool.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
I mean it can be anyone. I mean it's there.
So influencers have got millions and millions of followers. I mean,
imagine if they said to Taylor Swift, you know, come
out for a ride on. I mean, how many followers
has she got? And She's like, I can't believe I'm
on this yacht. Real timing on Instagram as long as
they have you know, they don't drop their phones somewhere.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
With the content, mister beasts broad casting it live on TikTok.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Actually, the other win is the spending cap. I can't
remember how much the spending cap is to one hundred
and fifty millions something.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
But the other part of it, which is the sort
of some of the details as well as the youth
regatta and the women's regatta which again is just going
to grow the sport in a way that can only
be good for New Zealand because we've never had the money.
We've become one of the best nations in the world
with carbon fiber and actually producing a lot of the componentory.
But we have incredible sailors here.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Yeah, and innovators technology. I mean, there's a reason we
keep winning. Of course, we've got some really bright people
on the technology. So I think the only thing that well,
if there was one thing that Grant dot might not
have been thrilled about, it was allowing a second person
from addicitionent different nationality, which means Peter Burling may be
doing a Russell Kotz, although not necessary with the level
(34:55):
of hatred that Courts got. But as I mean, I'd
love it if we want it again with these rules,
I think it's good news.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
So yeah, it's great for us. We've got the brains
and not necessarily the money. That's the story of our country,
and you know we're poised to really succeed here.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Yeah. And if anyone from the America's Cup team New
Zealanders listening, I'm happy. If you really have a struggle
to fill that sixth place for one of the races.
I'll go on there and I'll be I'll be giving
you the Love's very good at you.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
You could sing them around.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
The course to I think i'd be required to be quiet.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
I suspect you could see seah goodness.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
Now that's entertaining. That's great.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Ah, thank you, Kyle. I don't think I've ever sung
a sea shanty in my life, but you know, but
never know that. Roy. We're going to take a moment.
We'll be back in just to tech. We're with Shane
Henderson and Carle MacDonald. This is News Talk, said b
It's twelve minutes to four. Yes, welcome back. This is
the panel Tim Beverage with car MacDonald and Shane Henderson.
Now finally, look, the Kii Rail has settled with Hyundai
(35:59):
four one hundred and forty four million dollar final payment
following the cancelation of the project I. Rexes Winston's been
critical obviously of well the deal which was wasn't so
much about the fairies, it was about the infrastructure that
went with them. So we're spending something, hopefully to save something,
and the proof of the pudding will be in the
(36:19):
eating chain, won't it when the deal finally gets announced.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
Yeah, sure, Well but a really really rough headline for
the government one hundred and forty four million dollars to
not get fairies. That's pretty tough, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (36:30):
I guess? But they I guess that it's the choice
of the headline writer, isn't it, because you could say,
spen z one hundred and forty four million to save
three billion. I'm not sure Kyle that it feels like
we're halfway through the story still and it could still
be a win or a lose for the government.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
Two microphone on two thirds of a billion and counting
in no boats so far is the other way to
look at it. Of course, Look it's a bit like
Dnedan hospital, isn't it. I mean, it seems to me
that actually this is a wider problem of actually politicized
funding that you know, one party starts something, the other
party wants to turn it around, and then in the
midst of all of that actually is and taxpayers money
(37:06):
that's sort of going down the toilet. I think labor
and National probably both have have you know, actually some
blame here, But the problem is is that we still
don't have any ferries and none in sight, right, and
you know I hate to think what happens when New
Zealand can't actually New Zealanders can't get from one island
to the other because we get to the point where
none of the fairies are working.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
Fingers crossed is my motto? How hopeful? Actually that would be.
There would be a good motto, Tim Beverbridge, for such
and such. What's your motto? Fingers crossed? Optimist?
Speaker 3 (37:37):
It'll be fine, it's optimistic, it's great.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
Actually, we should mention that this is just for your
amusement before we wrap it up. I need a couple
of minutes to go. My producer Tira just drew to
my attention that the Opportunities Party TOP are looking for
a new leader and they're advertising on seek political party
leader to lead TOP into the future because kiwis deserve
(38:00):
better location anywhere in our tower, but be ready to
travel type full time.
Speaker 5 (38:07):
It seems could this be a serious listing or is
it that they were hoping it gets noticed by someone
like my producer and me, who let everyone know that
we're looking for a new leader for the Opportunity's Party,
but advertising on Sikh Kyle you wanted to get back
into politics at some station in you or not.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
Yeah, there's a bit of a pipeline of people who
get frustrated with the Green Party, which is not me.
I would have to say, sort of migrating across the top.
I have known. Just to be clear, I have no interest.
I think it's interesting they need to advertise. That's all
I'll say.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Did they still poll? Do they still get a point
or something?
Speaker 3 (38:44):
And again, to be fair to them, they actually have
some pretty great policies, particularly around housing and housing affordability,
but they have struggled to get traction, haven't they. I mean, unfortunately,
I think whenever you say topped to with people who've
been around politics for a while, all you can think
of is now they don't like the cats they.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
That's actually how we ended up finding it because Gareth
Morgan's came up. Name came up because we're talking about
possums and can it's and I think ty gone onto
the Google and just this thing popped up top of
looking for a new party.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
Yeah, well that's exactly it. It's so hard to change
that public perception, right, Look, it's it's got to.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Be a stunt. Surely are they can we all.
Speaker 4 (39:19):
Apply or what's going on?
Speaker 2 (39:20):
Well, you can apply if you like. Well, I'm spoken all,
but there'll be people you might not be in a
month or two. Sorry, Oh that's a fair six.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
I think it's crossed. I bus crossed.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Introduces new motto for the party.
Speaker 5 (39:40):
What is it?
Speaker 2 (39:41):
Fingers crossed?
Speaker 3 (39:41):
Fingers cross We still hate cats?
Speaker 5 (39:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (39:46):
What have you gotten the nutt Club? Anything interesting coming
up this week? It's always interesting of course in Nutters Club,
isn't it? Yeah it is.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
We do have a guest and it's my materially slept
my mind who it is. I'm very sorry to say,
but we do have a guest this week, So tune
in and you will find out who it is tomorrow night, Sunday.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
Excellent and I thanks so much. Good to see and Shane,
Shane Henderson and car McDonald. That concludes our panel. By
the way, I would say that was that was a
lot of fun. And if you joined halfway and you thought, god,
that sound like fun. What else they talk about? Well
you can go and check it out on our podcast.
You can go the news talk zb website and just
look for the Weekend Collective and we get the hour
(40:23):
up pretty quickly because my producer Tyra moves like the wind,
so I'm guessing it will just be a matter of
two or three minutes. No pressure, Tyra. Anyway, We'll be
back with the One Roof Radio Show. How should you
sell your house? Auction, private sale, whatever, but also timing
if you're selling and buying, how do you get that
timing you what do you have to get right and
(40:44):
where can you go wrong. We'll be exploring that with
Martin Cooper and just a moment for the One Roof
Radio Show. It is three and a half minutes to four.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
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