August 30, 2025 • 40 mins
This week on The Panel, Tim Beveridge is joined by Resident Builder Pete Wolfkamp, and Senior Consultant for Iron Duke Madison Burgess-Smith, to discuss the biggest stories from the week that was.
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Of April August.
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Because a time as time is rushing, Bison don't always
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on today's show in just a moment our panel and
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I've got a new panelist, so I'm looking forward to
introducing you to in just a moment, but looking a
little further forward to when we'll also be taking your
calls for the one roof radio show. Nicole Lewis joins us,
and we're going to discuss just who's got the right
attitude on the property at the moment or the right
feel about it. When we've got luxon who wants steady growth,
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Chris Bishop, who wants the pricing drop. What's better for
what's better for everyone? I guess it depends whether you're
about to buy or about to sell. Anyway, housing is
apparently also the most affordable since twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
When will we feel it, see it feel It'll.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Be talking about that with the cole Lewis after four,
taking your calls of course on o E one hundred
and eighty, ten and eighty, which we will also be
doing for the Parents squad. Sarah Chatwin is with us,
and we're talking about parenting issues in the modern world.
And I had this thought when we're getting ready for
our show that I was wondering, actually, we're going to
discuss this is raising kids easier or harder than it
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was in the past, because I have a suspicion that
it's harder, probably just for one reason social media and everything,
and also how do you get your kids to see
through things like advertising spin and how do you teach
in the critical thinking where they don't just see whatever's
in their news feed and go I must do that,
I must think that. So we'll be talking about that
with Sarah Chatwin after five, and of course not long
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before six Superman himself Christopher Reeve is with us discussing
the world. We're looking forward to the Warriors, Women and Dragons,
Northland and Hawks, Bay and Tasman versus Attaga, so lots
to get our heads around. On the Weekend Collective. It
is now nine minutes past three.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Tim Beveridge on the weekend collective called eight hundred eight
News Talks.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
B By the way, just before I introduced my panelists,
I am in quite a good mood today because my
daughter's hockey team was in the final of their division today,
buried in eight A, and they had a win against
the team that they'd lost to Auckland University Hockey the
week before. And I have to say I think I
enjoyed it more than any sort of international success the
All Blacks or the All Whites might have had my
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level of my level of euphoria.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
And it was a great game. They played really well.
God it was it was. It was right up there.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
So I might even have a chat with Christopher Reeve
about that the sports rap. But anyway, before let's get
into it and introduced first, He's no, he's no stranger
News Talks. Heb audiences he's the resident builder and he's
Pete wolf Camp.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
Get a Pete greetings. Nice to see you.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
How are you do very well?
Speaker 4 (03:56):
Thank you?
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Of course you were to. We're going to preview a
little bit the Amess Games as well. Looking ahead. But
if there's another there's all sorts of events for kids
at the moment. The big scene you were telling me.
Speaker 5 (04:03):
About, yeah, Big Things on which is down in Dunedin
this year. It's something that I've only just sort of
been the last couple of years, been introduced to. But
I went along to the concert here in Auckland with
some of the secondary schools competing, and I mean it's
just fabulous. And here's me is musical illiterate sitting there
just loving it absolutely lovely.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Well we're comparing notes. I mentioned that my daughter had
been in math X, right, and if you haven't ever
been to math X it's a maths competition, you think, well,
how exciting can that be?
Speaker 2 (04:30):
What they have?
Speaker 3 (04:31):
It's very exciting with the runner, you know, they've got
a runner there and they's a kid who's fast getting
the equations back and forth and there my goodness.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
But you know, I think these things also speak to
young people doing fantastic stuff, right, and so much of
the media is about kids off the rails and vaping
and all the rest of it. Go out there and
look at big saying, look at ames games, look at
math X.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah, it's not all bade fantastic. And joining me.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Is she's a new guest on the on the panel today,
which I'm very excited about and we've got very very
very high hopes because she also comes highly recommended by
one another of our panelists. But of course she is
a senior consultant at Iron Duke Partners and her name
is Madison Burgers Smith Kaday Madison, how are you going?
Speaker 6 (05:14):
Good day? Hey?
Speaker 7 (05:14):
Look, if I was to introduce myself in any way,
I was a mathics kid, but I was the runner.
Everyone knows that is the worst person at math and
your team you let them be the person that runs
the answers back and forth.
Speaker 6 (05:27):
So that's me.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
It is actually, but it's quite amazing. As I know,
Mathex happens all around the country. And I described to
my mother in law, who thought it was just a
few kids running around in a gym, and then I
sent her the video of the I think it must
have been I worked out. It had to have been
three hundred kids right in the one competition.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
How did you guys go, Madison?
Speaker 6 (05:47):
We actually did okay.
Speaker 7 (05:48):
So you're in a team of four and regularly there
are three of you hard at work at a desk
and one person who might as well just be from
the track and field team actually getting the answer to
and from the front.
Speaker 6 (05:58):
That doesn't really matter if they can count or not.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Were you in the track and field team?
Speaker 7 (06:02):
I was closer to that than I was deserving of
my place in the athletics team, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Oh good stuff. Hey, nice to have you on the panel.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Come to us here, yeah, coming to us from Wellington
Piztezon Studio with me now. Just a quick mention and
I it's the Cancer Society, of course, is supporting one
in three New Zealanders who get cancer in their lifetime.
It's a frightening statistic. Anyway, It is daffod All Day
being held this Friday and Saturday, and I just thought
it would give that a bit of a shout out because.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
A great cause.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
I'm not sure if there's much comment we need to
make on it, but it's a frightening statistic, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Pete.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
But when you think about it, you know, you and
I could both sit here and reel off a whole
list of people that we know who have been through
that process of whatever type of cancer happens to afflict them.
So yes, it does touch the lives of lots and
lots of Kiwis.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Right, Let's get into it, showy, Madison. I will start
with you first. So the government launching the sweeping set
of reforms aimed at boosting competition and making it easier
for businesses to open and expand in New Zealand's grocery sector,
announcement by Nikola Willis, and it was actually greeted by
our current did youopoly with a degree of enthusiasm, which
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did sort of worry me. But Madison, I must admit,
when I saw Nicola making the announcement and getting the
column inches and the news and all that, I just went, ah, whatever,
nothing's going to happen.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Is it really?
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Is this meaningful or is it just another announcement of
an announcement of an announcement.
Speaker 6 (07:28):
I feel like it's the latter. You know, how many
of these have we had, now, how many times we've
been through reviews or requests for informations, and then we've
got a commissioner, and then we've got rules and guidelines,
and look, nothing seems to be shifting the dial.
Speaker 7 (07:39):
This isn't an easy fix. If it was an easy fix,
it would be fixed by now. My take on is
it nothing changes the fact that we're five million people
at the bottom of the world. You know, this is
a tough market to incentivize other people to join.
Speaker 6 (07:53):
What are your thoughts, Pete?
Speaker 5 (07:54):
Look, well, I tend to slightly disagree with you in
the sense that I think that there is a practicality
of this proposed solution, right, which is, if we want
someone else to come and break up that duopoly, then
you need to provide some practical steps for them to
be able to achieve that. And if that means that
it makes it a bit easier to get consenting for
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a new supermarket, or reduce the amount of time it
takes to go through the red tape, that is actually
a practical solution to providing a pathway for another company
to arrive here, because otherwise they're going to look at
it and go, okay, so we're going to take tens
of millions of dollars into this, But it's going to
take us five years before we can open the door.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
We're going to walk away.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
The thing is, there's nothing to disagree with. I mean, great,
you're going to try and create a situation where it's
easier for people to come in. It's easy to get consent.
So I'm not actually objecting to it. I just wonder, actually,
I'm kind of wondering what my problem is with it,
because yeah, sure it's a good announcement. Maybe it was
the fact that Geopoly was so enthusiastic about.
Speaker 5 (08:58):
It, along the lines of that stuff that you know,
like talking about infrastructure can be deadly boring to a
lot of people, but it's absolutely critical. So this is
the underlying foundation for the opportunity for someone to come
and open up a new range of stores if you
provide them with the infrastructure. I either planning in order
to do that. Not terribly exciting at first glance, but
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necessary practical.
Speaker 6 (09:22):
Yeah, totally right, Pete.
Speaker 7 (09:23):
It's the less sexy stuff, right, and this will be
a real incremental, long term fix. I think the only
thing that would get people shouting from the rooftops is
if the government came in and said, look, we're going
to launch you a new supermarket ourselves and everything will
be just about free. So you know, like, how are
they actually supposed to fix us in the next eighteen
months before an election as well, so that Keywis feel
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like they've done something.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Actually, I would it's interesting what announcement would excite you,
And you mentioned I think somewhat satirically there matters centificking,
but I would imagine that the sort of announcement that
would get us excited would be if Nichola Willis stepped
up and said, I've got a very exciting announcement, and
she was standing there with the CEO of saying, this
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is the announcement we're making. Aldi are coming into the market.
We're going to change some laws which may mean that
they can get express consent on these locations. And I'm
delighted to be standing here with the CEO of ALDI
and I or some other that would do it for me.
Speaker 6 (10:21):
You're right, that's exactly what it looks like.
Speaker 7 (10:23):
It looks like a guarantee that there's another player and
they're going to push everyone else's costs down.
Speaker 5 (10:27):
At Costco in every main center. Have you been to
Costco not New Zealand?
Speaker 4 (10:32):
No?
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Why did you go overseas, just have a lock.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
Well did you get that? Did you get that?
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Did you get that metal free stapler from Costco?
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Or no?
Speaker 4 (10:42):
I don't think so we'll talk about that later. No, no, no.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
When we travel, because my wife was with the New Zealand,
the New Zealand crew would often have their own Costco
card overseas, so we'd go up to la for example,
and then you'd hop on the van, go down to
Costco and use the car. I don't know if I
should be saying this, but anyway, that's how it worked.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Why why shouldn't you be saying it? You're giving them
some advertars own card. Ah, apparently we'll hang on enough
the police court not to worry.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
It was a long time ago.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
It would be great. They're good. Have you been to
Costco Madison?
Speaker 4 (11:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (11:12):
I have.
Speaker 7 (11:12):
I love it And look maybe that's why they're not
expanding it more. They know us key Wese are such
thrifty savers that we're just going to share our cards
around and they won't make enough money on us.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
There's Wellington?
Speaker 6 (11:22):
Is there no? This one up in Auckland though.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
So you actually when you come to Aukland you made
a special trip to Costco.
Speaker 6 (11:27):
I have a proper supermarket tourist. I love it.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
How did you get in? If you don't have a card,
you're allowed in.
Speaker 6 (11:34):
You're asking me to incriminate myself live on air.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
Oh okay, enough said.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Yeah, borrow someone else's card.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
There we go.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Talking about free.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Advertising for Costco. Well, they're welcome to it. Look this story,
I gosh, I have a massive level of frustration over this.
You know, the update on Tom Phillips. So it's coming
up at the end of the year, four years I
think since he disappeared with his three children. He was
spotted again allegedly, I guess, allegedly breaking into let's just
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say everything's allegedly, but breaking to a super et in
a rural Waikato town.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
I think was pupy, wasn't it.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
And it does seem to be ridiculous, I think, Madison,
I'll throw this one at you. One of the things
that caught my attention in the news article was that
they weren't going to be sending in you know, specialist
army sas or anyone to try and find them, because
they're one worried about the well being of the children.
And I'll be honest. In the lounge, I sitting there going, Oh,
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they're worried about the well being of the children. Why
don't they worry about the fact that the well being
of these children has been already severely impacted by the
fact that they haven't found this guy and I just
send him in.
Speaker 7 (12:43):
They've been in the bush for four years. That's going
to have an impact on well being. Yeah, absolutely, But
on the other hand, you've got it. You've got to
give it to the guy. I'm not saying that he's
done is right, but four years in the bush were
three kids under the age of thirteen. He's blimming good
at whatever he's doing.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Right, although may be in someone's house at various times,
I'm guessing.
Speaker 7 (13:02):
There's all sorts that could be going on. Absolutely wonder
if the reason that they haven't sent anyone and is
not so much about the well being of the children,
but the embarrassment that this guy is really good at
hiding in the bush or to your point, people's garden chids,
whatever it may be, and they could expend a lot
more resource on it.
Speaker 6 (13:17):
But if I was that kid's mum, this is really dragged.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
On heartbreaking, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (13:22):
What do you think would be incredibly difficult for the mum,
wouldn't it?
Speaker 7 (13:25):
You know?
Speaker 3 (13:26):
I mean, do you think they need to be pouring
more resources into this? And I don't mean the essays
with rifles and stuff. I mean the essay is with
night vision and sort of their bush, you know, survival
skills and tracking someone down.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
What do you reckon?
Speaker 5 (13:37):
I wonder whether if the alleged criminality increases that they
might be forced to do that, the police might be
forced to be proactive, more proactive than they have been.
But at the same time, you can understand them taking
a sort of softly softly approach to this in the
hope that you know, confronting the situation doesn't provoke an
outcome that you knows tragic.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
I'm actually eventually, I mean, he has to resurface itally,
something has something, and I just hope that we're not
treated to a spectacle of him being treated like a
celebrity by media who are just so delighted to I
don't know, I'm biting my tongue here on certain incidents
from the past where I might have had a strong
opinion about things.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
I'll tell you what shall we We might just take
a little break, we'll come back and have a chat
about RFK.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
One good thing about him, I guess, possibly with the
full fat milk, and we'll be continue the conversation with
our panelists in just a moment. It is Madison Burgess
Smith and Pete wolf Camp. We'll be back in just
the ticket. It's twenty one past three.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Shake gun course and welcome back to the panel. I'm
sorry the Weekend Collective. Should I say this is the panel?
Speaker 3 (15:03):
I'm Tim Beverage, Pete wolf Camp and Madison Burgess Smith
and we're doing a bit of a country thing today.
I think that might it might have to blame Madison
and might producer Tyra for a mutual sort of love
of the artists we're playing today, Is that you, Madison?
Speaker 6 (15:16):
But about it was a bit of a request from me.
Absolutely thanks Tyra.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Appreciate the country gal.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Now, I'm not sure if he likes country, because I
was trying to segue into our FK Junior.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
I have a suspicions he probably does, actually.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
But the so our FK Junior look, he's responsible for
a lot of things that I think we should all
be very worried about. But one of the things he
has been about is he's anti sort of processed meals
and food and all that sort of stuff. But he's
he wants to bring back the full fat dairy products,
and it's reversing a stance that Americans should consume low
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fat milk and cheese to reduce their risk of heart
disease diabetes.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
I'm going to go with you first on this one, Pete.
Are you a full fat or a trim milk guy,
and what's your take on this?
Speaker 5 (16:02):
To be fair, typically I'm a trim milk or whatever
it is.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
The yellow top one that I come by.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Are calci trim. There's yellow top, it's the extra calcium.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
Article.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
And thought, actually, I just wonder, whether you know, for
Americans and for American school students or people that might
have obesity, is it about the milk that they're drinking
or the vast quantities of carbonated drinks that people probably
hoover up in fast food available on every corner. Shouldn't
they be focusing on that well?
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Getting rid of the sugar? Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
I think actually most most of the time, when you
see someone who's maybe got an issue health wise with
weight and things, and you think maybe because they're having
few too many sausages and chips or.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Something, but it's usually I think sugar is the major culprit.
Are you.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
I don't know if you're a milk or you're a
soy or we haven't got to know each other yet,
Madison fat.
Speaker 6 (16:57):
I'm still in the dairy.
Speaker 7 (16:59):
Haven't transitioned to you know, almond drink or oat water.
You know they're not real milks, are they. But I
think there are three big fads in life, fashion, fitness,
and food, and it seems like fat is back. Fat
is back in a big way. It's trending again. Avocado
is a good few, Olive oil is good for you.
And sure enough RFK Jr. Bringing back at the blue
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top milk, the milk from down the road. I think
this is good for New Zealand. Right we're growing cows
that are making fatty milk.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Well, actually, of course there would still be the tariffs
and on our milk.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
Oat yes, legal, by the way, but apparently it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Actually, we were going to get onto that, but it's
funny that sorry, no, that's fine.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
You can see way maybe in a minute or two.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
But actually I remember the time when we were all
being told to consume margarine and we shouldn't touch butter,
and then all of a sudden, butter was okay.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
And I think there was just a point I just went.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
I mean, it gets into a sensitive topic about how
much we pay for our butter, but I just I
just generally go with the all things in moderation.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
I'm just thinking back and sorry, it's just brought back
a very happy memory from the childhood, getting a bottle
of milk, like a glow Us bottle from the milkman
who dropped it off once you put the tokens out,
and then peeling the little metal cat back or the
aluminium cat back, and the top to it is going
back to Imperial was just solid cream.
Speaker 6 (18:18):
You probably what did you do with it? This is
this is an absurd concept to me. What did you
do with that cream?
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (18:24):
I think, well sometimes you just shake it up and
it would just go back into the milk bottle, so
you'd have an egen creamier bottle of milk.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
I remember thinking I was amazed homogenized.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
You can't remember.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
I remember sticking coins out back on the days where
you could literally stick coins out at the gate where
I grew up, mate, And I remember that the fittest
kid at school was the boy who pushed the trolley
with the bottles around, and I remember thinking that was
a good way to get fit.
Speaker 6 (18:50):
And now they're the person that runs the math question
to the front of the horse.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
That actually earliest milk. So what I mean, memories, I'm
not talking about breast milk, but I mean what were
cartons around? Well you, I mean because Madison, you you
are slightly younger than Peter.
Speaker 6 (19:12):
Slightly significantly.
Speaker 7 (19:13):
No, And when I think about glass milk bottles, that's
got to be some of the most expensive milk in
the supermarket now right like.
Speaker 6 (19:19):
That is with it?
Speaker 7 (19:19):
That is the premium Ugey exactly, farrow More Wilson's for us,
well and Tonian's.
Speaker 6 (19:25):
That's your good stuff.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
Yeah, you've got to go out and look for it,
don't you. It's not well, it isn't the supermarkets.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Its actually even now.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
And again I buy one of those bottles of slightly
posh and milk because it's a dollar more because and I.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Just and I don't know if it actually does. In
my mind, I think it tastes better, but I'm just
not sure.
Speaker 6 (19:41):
Do you keep the bottle and then just top it
up with your meadow fish.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Now that thought about so your gifts, you.
Speaker 7 (19:47):
Know when they come around soap, A yeah, I get
a good bottle of soap and then just top it
up with the stuff.
Speaker 6 (19:55):
Totally do it with your milk, with all sorts.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
God, the potential is unlimited.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
I think I could turn that into five hours of
talk back radio, but we won't do it right now, Hey,
just quickly on the well not necessarily quickly. I had
forgotten that. So the big news from the States, I
don't know. You hear these headlines come out and you think, well,
the Appeals Court has made a finance going for the
Supreme Court. But I had forgotten that. The tariffs that
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Trump has been issuing, broadly speaking, you might be able
to creep me on this medicine. They are based on
him exercising sort of emergency powers, aren't they. They're not
something where it's just run of the mill de rigueur.
This is what a president does. N't forgotten that, and
he's been overturned for the time being on the tariffs.
Speaker 6 (20:43):
Kind of like him using our equivalents of urgency, except
to the Hill, right, it's ten times more powerful. When
he just signs these sorts of declarations and some of
the math that he's using, he's basically doing just a
calculation who trades more with us than we trade with
them and then just slapping a wafty tariff on them.
And look, sure they may be illegal, but right now
it feels like it's Trump's world and the rest of
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us are just living in it.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
I mean it's not.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
He does have a mildly friendly Supreme Court, but you know,
they are still lawyers and judges, and if the law
goes against I mean, what if he fails to win
the case in the Supreme Court? Do you have you,
I mean, this sort of your ballpark to sort of
analyze what might happen here at Madison.
Speaker 7 (21:27):
Yeah, I have no idea, but it just means consistent
global uncertainty across the markets everywhere, markets for everything basically,
And so the challenge a lot of countries will face is,
you know, how do they plan for their trade with
Trump and with the US and for US, you know,
also with China based on a lot of what's going
on right now. And it could be a long time
before we've got an answer, because he'll appeal and appeal
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and appeal.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Yeah, although once it goes Supreme Court, I tend to
think that and hopefully is the end of the road.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
But the fascinating thing about this, which was almost.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
We covered this in politics last week and at the
time I hadn't really got my head around how big
an issue this was. But because of the tariffs, and
they've got rid of the deminimous rule where nothing that
goes in that's of a value of more than a
few cents can get through without being subject to tariff.
So that's how most people send stuff. You send grammar,
a pair of slippers, you don't have to worry about
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it being held up in the post because the dominamous
rule applies because it's only worth you know, one hundred
bucks or fifty bucks or whatever. But they've got rid
of that and New Zealand Post we're among a lot
of countries who are not sending anything to the States
except for letters. And this is all linked to the
tariffs things. It's quite remarkable.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
Because I saw that story as well as going to
comment on that that suddenly New Zealand Post is going
we're not sending anything to the States. Yeah, and then
but we're not alone so it's.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
France, Australia, UK. Have you followed that one, Madison, Yeah.
Speaker 7 (22:53):
I mean it's tough, right because we're just everyday people
kind of trying to go about sending gifts to people
or getting gifts from people, and you're caught up in
this big global phenomenon that.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Is I reckon.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Look, if you've got a few relatives or friends in
the States that you feel obliged to buy a presence
for that, you can't be bothered. Just say, look, I'm
so sorry, but I would we wanted to, but this
deminimous rule.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
I don't know what to do with it. But of
course you know you can use that for a while
well possibly yeah. Hey, Now, speaking of the big news,
I have to declare that it doesn't really rip.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Monickers in terms of announcements, but I do love I
also quite like the fact that there's a few aspects
to this story about Taylor Swift getting engaged Travis Kelcey. Firstly,
I think the ring cost about six hundred and fifty
thousand dollars US, so a million New Zealand dollars. That's
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slightly pricey. It's a little more than I spent on
the ring for my wife?
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Were you I'm going to go to up?
Speaker 7 (23:56):
Now?
Speaker 4 (23:57):
What can I go to your truck up? Because I
know where you're going and where am I going?
Speaker 2 (24:00):
I don't know where am I going? Are you no? No?
Now we'll get onto that.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
But were you excited about Taylor swift getting and are
you a swifty No? Okay, right, I'm yeah, because there
are a few people in this firm who are swifties
or I was surprised.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
By imagine there'd be a truckload.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Yeah? Are you a swifty.
Speaker 7 (24:19):
Madison, I'm a young woman in my late twenties, absolutely
a swifty And going to the point on how much
the ring cost. I read somewhere that that amount of
money is the equivalent of her going up for breakfast,
or for him, it's the equivalent of a week's rent.
Speaker 6 (24:35):
So that number for mere mortals like ourselves is huge.
So he was the celebrities like this, He forfeited the
equivalent of a week's rent, Chris ring.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
It's supposed to be I believe, well, that's a modern thing.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
That's bonkers.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
I understood it. The generally long term rules A month's
salary a month. I still spend on it. Which depending
on this. Back when I was a freelance singer, I
said to my wife, depends what sort of month ahead
might be just a tab off, a backet of off
counter cola or something or something.
Speaker 6 (25:06):
I think you'd pick your monk quite deliberately around to
ask that question.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
That's actually it's actually very long.
Speaker 6 (25:13):
I'm excited.
Speaker 7 (25:14):
I think she's bringing marriage back in a way. You know,
everything Swift does kind of turns to gold. Everything's so
exciting about her, and marriage is on the massive decline.
I mean, I'm in my late twenties. I don't have
too many friends that are engaged, and to be honest,
coming back to a month's rent or i'm sorry, a
month's salary, I don't think too many of them would
want to be having that sort of money spent on
them in the sort of economy either.
Speaker 6 (25:33):
So hopefully she starts a bit of a trend on
this front. So I've got a few more weddings to
go to.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Thought for a minute you were going to advertise on
air saying I'm in my late twenties and I haven't
had a proposal from someone yet and putting some pressure
on someone suddenly here's the interesting thing. I think so
lux And said, look, you couldn't help himself, and I think,
what harm? But he said, he basically put it out
there that they should come to New Zealand for their honeymoon,
(25:59):
and he knows someone who knows Travis kelce But apparently
the comic from Travis Kelsey came back that maybe we'd
think about it if they were going to throw citizenship
in a passport in And I'm going to say it
right here, I'm not in favor of generally giving anyone
a shortcut to passports and citizenship of New Zealand. But
if Travis Kelcey and Taylor Swift want to become Kiwi's
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give it to them yesterday.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
What do you think madisone that.
Speaker 7 (26:25):
Is phenomenal marketing. He did really well then, and to
get a bit of a response as well, I think, yeah,
good on him.
Speaker 6 (26:31):
Shoot your shot to.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
Get the investador in the car off to Kelsey's place.
Right now with the application form, I think.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
We should fill it out for him.
Speaker 7 (26:41):
I think I can see Chris Luxon going out and
getting his celebrant certificate just to be all the day
man in the middle.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Well, who would he be fighting off for that. What
other politicians would like.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
To he could host them in his place in Wahiki.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Yeah, yeah, I look, I think funny. Wouldn't that be hilarious?
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Imagine if Taylor Swift decided, along with Travis Kelcey, that
she was going to settle for dual citizenship in New Zealand.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
Look, I'd be okay with that, even I'd become a Swift.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Would you? Are you swifty to the extent you do
the friendship bracelets? Madison?
Speaker 6 (27:09):
No, And I've never been to a concert, but she
writes good music.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Okay, well, okay, I.
Speaker 6 (27:17):
Agree to disagree anyway.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Hey, look we're going to take it.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
But anyway, look it's always lovely to you know, lovely
to have a little bit of good.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
News to celebrate in a very happy couple.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
So good on them. We'll be back in just a moment.
It is twenty three minutes to four news Talk said
b disagree, Yes, Welcome back to the Weekend Collective. This
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is the panel with Madison, Virgins, Smith, Burgess Smith and
People wolf.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Camp on Tim Beverage. Actually, just before we move on,
I was.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Actually just briefly reflecting on that Taylor the Taylor and
Travis announcement, and I was actually thinking, you know what,
it's easy to be fickle about this, but can you
imagine the publicity for New Zealand tourism if Taylor Swift
did come here. I think actually LUXM was bang on
with with that little encouragement, it would become you know,
(28:18):
oh yeah, I mean even if they just came here
for a cup of tea.
Speaker 6 (28:21):
I mean, seriously, the kettle on, I say, put the.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Kettle on, yeah, into full milk.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Yeah, I'll bake some bake them some crosso They can
come round to my place if they like anyway. Now, look,
let's the story about Auckland UNI. That the grades are
up and the number of people getting a's has This
is in this since two thousand and six, the number
of people of using getting A plus, A or A
minus has increased from twenty two percent to thirty five
(28:51):
percent since two thousand and six.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
There wasn't it.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
There was a dramatic rise during COVID nineteen. I think
we all lost the plot then, didn't we a bit
of a fall and then a rebound. In other words,
it looks like are we smarter or are they just
giving out more. I'm thinking I'm going to go to
the younger person of the younger person of our trio here, Madison,
what do you reckon?
Speaker 7 (29:13):
I think we should be quite alarmed by this. Yeah,
it's thirty five percent of all students getting an A.
This is actually a trend globally at the moment in
terms of what they're calling great inflation. And a lot
of it is to do with how we fund universities. Right, So,
university is a kind of funded per student. So a
lecturer or a tutor, or whoever it may be, is
incentivized to keep kids in their class by giving them
(29:35):
good grades. And you know, if you hear, you know,
professor Tim, he gives out lots of a's, Well I'll
sign up to his class and you know, skirt my way.
Speaker 6 (29:42):
Through pretty easy.
Speaker 7 (29:43):
But a lot of this is also you know, we're
actually letting kids down by not allowing them.
Speaker 6 (29:49):
To fail, you know, or build a bit of resilience. Well,
everyone thinks they're amazing all of a sudden.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
I remember when I was at law school at a
tigo and you almost knew the people who got a's
by name, because they were hard to come by, scarce,
and if you got and I remember one of the
lecturers saying, if you're getting a B or a B plus,
you are really doing well because they marked things really
hard and it does seem actually, I probably do have
(30:15):
to check which university did you go to?
Speaker 7 (30:16):
Madison Victoria, University of Wellington and look, I think there
was a bit of this happening there as well.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Did you get a few a's.
Speaker 6 (30:23):
Ah, a few more than I probably deserved.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
That's modesty, isn't it?
Speaker 4 (30:27):
You know?
Speaker 3 (30:27):
You?
Speaker 2 (30:29):
What about you, Pete? What do you reckon?
Speaker 3 (30:31):
What do you think are they basically making excellence a
bit average?
Speaker 5 (30:36):
As someone with someone in the household who's looking at
starting university next year, as a parent about to be
a university student, you kind of go, you know, does
this undermine something of the confidence that we have that
universities are about learning? Are you know that it's somehow
impartial or objective or that there's a standard whereas this
(30:59):
is kind of saying that to your point, medicine that
well as a marketing tool will encourage you lots of
a's and then we'll have lots of students and that's
good for business.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
The thing is, where do we go from here? Madison.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
I mean, we've got this ridiculous number of people passing.
This is Auckland. I should say, I don't know what
the other universities are doing, but there we go.
Speaker 7 (31:16):
A lot of them are quite similar. And I mean,
I look at this from an employer's perspective, how are
you supposed to know if a graduate coming through the
doors any good? If you've got interviewing ten of them
and they're all A grade students. I think we need
to see a system where you send someone else out
to mark your student's work. It's not done by you
as a tutor. It's done by someone else externally. That's
what we see with NCAA exams, for example, and that
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seems to work pretty well.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
This is since two thousand and six, so this is
almost twenty years worth of practice going. I mean, it's
sort of an It's ingrained in a little bit, isn't it.
Because if you're a lecturer, if you've been a lecturer
in the last ten or fifteen years, your idea of
what an a is is quite different to what it
was thirty years ago. I mean, how do you turn
that around or do you have to start scaling and
(31:59):
just saying Okay, well we're only going to allow twenty
percent of people to have a's full stop.
Speaker 7 (32:03):
Yeah, And I think that's how it should be, right.
Everyone should fall on a bell curve. And to your point,
you know, a B to B plus is pretty good,
a C smack bang in the middle. And then there
are people who are genuinely failing, because what we're starting
to see is this kind of education inflation where we've
got a lot of people who are way overqualified, but
it's become so easy to get a degree, and so
then people need to get a master's degree and a PhD.
(32:25):
And we're just all spending all this time at university.
That's probably fruitless.
Speaker 5 (32:29):
Pete, I tend to agree to be fair. I mean,
it's you know, it's a genuine concern because if you're
standing outside the universities, you're looking at the universities going,
you know, it's a bastion of learning. It's somewhere that
should celebrate excellence, and if excellence is easily achieved, then
it's less meaningful.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
That's a concern.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Yeah, I am resisting because I'm now dying to see
a copy of Madison's academic record, which I think be
quite good. But I'm resisting. I'm resisting mentioning it. I'm
not saying a word. I'm not saying a word. Let's
move on, shall we other things that are up. I
can't get my head around this that insurance apparently has
had the largest price rise of any item tracked in
(33:10):
the Consumer Price Index since two thousand. Unfortunately I couldn't
find a director comparison with Australia, but the gist I
got was theirs is a lot less. But insurance has
gone up nine hundred and sixteen percent in the last
twenty five years. This is ahead of cigarettes and tobacco,
they're up six hundred percent. We know we've been taxing
(33:30):
now out of them. Pete, you have done a bit of.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Dig into this.
Speaker 5 (33:34):
I saw the story and I went back through. I
love spreadsheets, right, so I got household expenses in the spreadsheet,
and I can go back and look at what my
insurance costs were last year, year before, etc. Then I
could go back to two thousand and eight to look
at what my let's say, monthly invoice for house insurance
was calculated that between now or between let's say September
(33:57):
two thousand and eight to the last one that I
paid on the twenty fifth of August. It's gone up
sixty three percent from two thousand and eight toy.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
So that would match I guess since two thousand might
have gone U nine hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
I mean.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
Since two thousand and eight.
Speaker 6 (34:16):
You're an Auckland Pete.
Speaker 7 (34:17):
Yep, Yeah, So Valentonians are now paying twice the premium
of what Auckland Auckland was, so different pockets of the
country have risen at different rates.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Yeah, Madison, what are your thoughts about it?
Speaker 7 (34:29):
Well, it makes you think, you know, we should probably
not sweat the price of butter. Should Where where our
household budgets are actually being drained is in these really
large expenses, our rates and our insurance. And for a
lot of people, they're starting to make quite risky decisions.
And I was reading the story as well, Pete, about
the number of people who, as soon as they go
mortgage free, they think, well, look, you know, if the
(34:50):
worst case happened, I don't have any debt on this house,
so I'm going to stop paying my insurance. And if
worst came to worse and I lost the whole lot,
I guess I'd just go live in a caravan somewhere.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
I saw that one, which is it's quite frightening, and
actually it does make you wonder that, regardless of what's
happening with dairy product prices and inflation, that the government
might say we're getting inflation under control and all that
sort of thing, and the economy is turning around, it
seems that there are some sort of anchors around our
feet that are still making us feel down and the
(35:21):
dumps about money, and it's probably that's one of them,
insurance rates. I don't know what the other things are
at the top of my head. You mentioned something else
their medicine, but that's.
Speaker 7 (35:31):
Your mortgage is starting to come down. But it doesn't
matter if your rates, which is you know, for a
lot of people are six to eight thousand dollars bill
in some places is going up fifteen percent year on year.
Insurance is the same. Yeah, it's it's a real challenge
for people because you have to make hard choices. These
aren't things that you can really afford.
Speaker 6 (35:49):
To go without.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
What's the vibe with you and your business in terms
of because apparently the signs of economy wise that we
are starting to maybe turn around, and I'm always curious
to know when we'll feel it now you how's things
going with you there, Peepe.
Speaker 5 (36:02):
In terms of construction and that there are just very tiny,
tiny green shoots. I think there's the beginning of there
seems to be an uptick in renovations. So people are
obviously deciding that now is not the time to sell,
and so they'll tip a bit more money into the house.
Interest rates have a tremendous impact on that. Just on
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the insurance, I think what I find fascinating about this
is that it's it's a much more nuanced than just
saying it's up nine hundred percent, because that's obviously not
true for everyone, but for people in risky areas. I
think the insurers are getting a lot more focused on
property as well. This is an area that we're not
going to insure anymore.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Hey Madison, how's the vibe in Wellington?
Speaker 7 (36:46):
I think that vibe Wellington's pretty good. You know, you've
had pockets, for example, government employers that's been pretty down,
but on the whole, you know, we've had a lot
of bigger events start to return to the city, which
has been exciting, but there are a lot of people
who are still doing it really tough. But to Pete's point,
those green shoots are starting to come through someone like
me who's on at a bigger mortgage here on a
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fault line.
Speaker 6 (37:09):
Your insurance is huge.
Speaker 7 (37:10):
Do you put in your making, Pete, And you're about
to come off that high seven percent mortgage there to
something closer.
Speaker 6 (37:16):
To a four and a half. That's a lot of
breathing room.
Speaker 7 (37:19):
That's about to come about over the summer, and that's
a lot of choice for you.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
Hey, look we're going to take a quick moment come
back with my panelist Matison Burgess Smith and Pete Wolfcamp.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
This is the Weekend Collective panel. It's ten to four.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
Yes, welcome back my panelists Madison Burgess Smith and Pete
wolf Camp.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
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That sounds really interesting with those guys, then you can
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As soon as we say goodbye, Boofer, she's processing it,
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it's not, I've just put a lot of pressure on
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Tira to get that done. So good on You're Tyra
now lucky. Last guys, I do love the technology, which
seems it's so important with the number of terrible headlines
around former players and brain injuries and all that sort
of thing. But the new flashing LED mouthguards.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
I quite like it. It's almost entertaining.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
So if you get if you get a they contain
accelerometers and gyroscopes in your mouthguard that detect significant head
collisions and an embedded red LED like to flash, so
literally your teeth start flashing if you've had a bit
of a bit of a wobble. I mean, this is
entertaining and necessary medicine.
Speaker 6 (38:37):
This is epic. This is so awesome. I am wondering
about how this is going to enter the play.
Speaker 7 (38:42):
You know, is the riff going to ask you, hey,
give me a grin, let me see that mouth out
of yours. Like, I don't actually know how it's going
to play out, but given you know the issues we've
seen with CTE and how many high profile deaths they've
been lately, look, I think Rugby's facing a social license
issue without the sort of technology.
Speaker 6 (38:59):
It's awesome to see.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
Yeah, I actually like the idea that maybe it could
bluetooth up to some sort of audio signal and the
and will have a.
Speaker 5 (39:07):
Like we did a takeaway and they give you a
little disc, you know, when your orders done.
Speaker 7 (39:11):
Yeah, and you're all looking around for whose mouth is
lining up like a Christmas tree.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
Actually, I wonder if they I mean, would be a
flashing thing.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
But you could probably give the ref something that would
vibrate in his pocket and you go, oh, I'm getting
a bit of a buzz here.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
Who's taken a bit of a knock.
Speaker 5 (39:23):
I have a recollection that in a game in the
last couple of weeks they called a player off because
the alert had gone off. It turned out to be
the wrong player. So maybe they'd swap mouthguards or something.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
That would be a weird one, considering that you'd have
to have the same set of teeth too, wouldn't you.
Speaker 7 (39:39):
But I have seen some negative feedback around this slowing
down play and people that have that view of it,
you're reading the game all wrong. Head injury assessments are
one of the most important parts of rugby right now.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
Yeah, and I do think I mean we have seen
some terrible headlines and a tragedy and mental health issues
that people have suffered from as a result of the
head knocks. And I don't know where it goes from here,
but whatever tools can give those players the best information
about how they're doing.
Speaker 7 (40:05):
The better A yeah totalas or another technology that's like
a sticker behind the ear. Lots of people are thinking
about really innovative ways to keep people playing.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
Hey, look, we're gonna have to leave it there, Pete.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
Thanks so good to see you again as always and
love having on the packing.
Speaker 5 (40:20):
Medisone good stuff to meet you both.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Yeah, yeah, we'll have to. Well, we'll look forward to
next time.
Speaker 6 (40:25):
Thanks for the fun.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
There we go. That wasn't a yes, wasn't.
Speaker 6 (40:30):
It's really fine and I thank you great.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
Thanks anyway, we'll be back. What are we back when? Oh,
we've got the one radio show. Do we want property
prices to go up?
Speaker 2 (40:41):
All down?
Speaker 3 (40:41):
We can get you to stick around for this one.
But Nicole Lewis is with us in the studio.
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what's better for everyone? I guess it depends whether you're
about to buy or about to sell. Anyway, housing is
apparently also the most affordable since twenty nineteen.
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And I had this thought when we're getting ready for
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discuss this is raising kids easier or harder than it
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it's harder, probably just for one reason social media and everything,
and also how do you get your kids to see
through things like advertising spin and how do you teach
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I must think that. So we'll be talking about that
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Speaker 1 (03:05):
Tim Beveridge on the weekend collective called eight hundred eight
News Talks.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
B By the way, just before I introduced my panelists,
I am in quite a good mood today because my
daughter's hockey team was in the final of their division today,
buried in eight A, and they had a win against
the team that they'd lost to Auckland University Hockey the
week before. And I have to say I think I
enjoyed it more than any sort of international success the
All Blacks or the All Whites might have had my
(03:32):
level of my level of euphoria.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
And it was a great game. They played really well.
God it was it was. It was right up there.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
So I might even have a chat with Christopher Reeve
about that the sports rap. But anyway, before let's get
into it and introduced first, He's no, he's no stranger
News Talks. Heb audiences he's the resident builder and he's
Pete wolf Camp.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
Get a Pete greetings. Nice to see you.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
How are you do very well?
Speaker 4 (03:56):
Thank you?
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Of course you were to. We're going to preview a
little bit the Amess Games as well. Looking ahead. But
if there's another there's all sorts of events for kids
at the moment. The big scene you were telling me.
Speaker 5 (04:03):
About, yeah, Big Things on which is down in Dunedin
this year. It's something that I've only just sort of
been the last couple of years, been introduced to. But
I went along to the concert here in Auckland with
some of the secondary schools competing, and I mean it's
just fabulous. And here's me is musical illiterate sitting there
just loving it absolutely lovely.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Well we're comparing notes. I mentioned that my daughter had
been in math X, right, and if you haven't ever
been to math X it's a maths competition, you think, well,
how exciting can that be?
Speaker 2 (04:30):
What they have?
Speaker 3 (04:31):
It's very exciting with the runner, you know, they've got
a runner there and they's a kid who's fast getting
the equations back and forth and there my goodness.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
But you know, I think these things also speak to
young people doing fantastic stuff, right, and so much of
the media is about kids off the rails and vaping
and all the rest of it. Go out there and
look at big saying, look at ames games, look at
math X.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah, it's not all bade fantastic. And joining me.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Is she's a new guest on the on the panel today,
which I'm very excited about and we've got very very
very high hopes because she also comes highly recommended by
one another of our panelists. But of course she is
a senior consultant at Iron Duke Partners and her name
is Madison Burgers Smith Kaday Madison, how are you going?
Speaker 6 (05:14):
Good day? Hey?
Speaker 7 (05:14):
Look, if I was to introduce myself in any way,
I was a mathics kid, but I was the runner.
Everyone knows that is the worst person at math and
your team you let them be the person that runs
the answers back and forth.
Speaker 6 (05:27):
So that's me.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
It is actually, but it's quite amazing. As I know,
Mathex happens all around the country. And I described to
my mother in law, who thought it was just a
few kids running around in a gym, and then I
sent her the video of the I think it must
have been I worked out. It had to have been
three hundred kids right in the one competition.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
How did you guys go, Madison?
Speaker 6 (05:47):
We actually did okay.
Speaker 7 (05:48):
So you're in a team of four and regularly there
are three of you hard at work at a desk
and one person who might as well just be from
the track and field team actually getting the answer to
and from the front.
Speaker 6 (05:58):
That doesn't really matter if they can count or not.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Were you in the track and field team?
Speaker 7 (06:02):
I was closer to that than I was deserving of
my place in the athletics team, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Oh good stuff. Hey, nice to have you on the panel.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Come to us here, yeah, coming to us from Wellington
Piztezon Studio with me now. Just a quick mention and
I it's the Cancer Society, of course, is supporting one
in three New Zealanders who get cancer in their lifetime.
It's a frightening statistic. Anyway, It is daffod All Day
being held this Friday and Saturday, and I just thought
it would give that a bit of a shout out because.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
A great cause.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
I'm not sure if there's much comment we need to
make on it, but it's a frightening statistic, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Pete.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
But when you think about it, you know, you and
I could both sit here and reel off a whole
list of people that we know who have been through
that process of whatever type of cancer happens to afflict them.
So yes, it does touch the lives of lots and
lots of Kiwis.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Right, Let's get into it, showy, Madison. I will start
with you first. So the government launching the sweeping set
of reforms aimed at boosting competition and making it easier
for businesses to open and expand in New Zealand's grocery sector,
announcement by Nikola Willis, and it was actually greeted by
our current did youopoly with a degree of enthusiasm, which
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did sort of worry me. But Madison, I must admit,
when I saw Nicola making the announcement and getting the
column inches and the news and all that, I just went, ah, whatever,
nothing's going to happen.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Is it really?
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Is this meaningful or is it just another announcement of
an announcement of an announcement.
Speaker 6 (07:28):
I feel like it's the latter. You know, how many
of these have we had, now, how many times we've
been through reviews or requests for informations, and then we've
got a commissioner, and then we've got rules and guidelines,
and look, nothing seems to be shifting the dial.
Speaker 7 (07:39):
This isn't an easy fix. If it was an easy fix,
it would be fixed by now. My take on is
it nothing changes the fact that we're five million people
at the bottom of the world. You know, this is
a tough market to incentivize other people to join.
Speaker 6 (07:53):
What are your thoughts, Pete?
Speaker 5 (07:54):
Look, well, I tend to slightly disagree with you in
the sense that I think that there is a practicality
of this proposed solution, right, which is, if we want
someone else to come and break up that duopoly, then
you need to provide some practical steps for them to
be able to achieve that. And if that means that
it makes it a bit easier to get consenting for
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a new supermarket, or reduce the amount of time it
takes to go through the red tape, that is actually
a practical solution to providing a pathway for another company
to arrive here, because otherwise they're going to look at
it and go, okay, so we're going to take tens
of millions of dollars into this, But it's going to
take us five years before we can open the door.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
We're going to walk away.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
The thing is, there's nothing to disagree with. I mean, great,
you're going to try and create a situation where it's
easier for people to come in. It's easy to get consent.
So I'm not actually objecting to it. I just wonder, actually,
I'm kind of wondering what my problem is with it,
because yeah, sure it's a good announcement. Maybe it was
the fact that Geopoly was so enthusiastic about.
Speaker 5 (08:58):
It, along the lines of that stuff that you know,
like talking about infrastructure can be deadly boring to a
lot of people, but it's absolutely critical. So this is
the underlying foundation for the opportunity for someone to come
and open up a new range of stores if you
provide them with the infrastructure. I either planning in order
to do that. Not terribly exciting at first glance, but
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necessary practical.
Speaker 6 (09:22):
Yeah, totally right, Pete.
Speaker 7 (09:23):
It's the less sexy stuff, right, and this will be
a real incremental, long term fix. I think the only
thing that would get people shouting from the rooftops is
if the government came in and said, look, we're going
to launch you a new supermarket ourselves and everything will
be just about free. So you know, like, how are
they actually supposed to fix us in the next eighteen
months before an election as well, so that Keywis feel
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like they've done something.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Actually, I would it's interesting what announcement would excite you,
And you mentioned I think somewhat satirically there matters centificking,
but I would imagine that the sort of announcement that
would get us excited would be if Nichola Willis stepped
up and said, I've got a very exciting announcement, and
she was standing there with the CEO of saying, this
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is the announcement we're making. Aldi are coming into the market.
We're going to change some laws which may mean that
they can get express consent on these locations. And I'm
delighted to be standing here with the CEO of ALDI
and I or some other that would do it for me.
Speaker 6 (10:21):
You're right, that's exactly what it looks like.
Speaker 7 (10:23):
It looks like a guarantee that there's another player and
they're going to push everyone else's costs down.
Speaker 5 (10:27):
At Costco in every main center. Have you been to
Costco not New Zealand?
Speaker 4 (10:32):
No?
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Why did you go overseas, just have a lock.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
Well did you get that? Did you get that?
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Did you get that metal free stapler from Costco?
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Or no?
Speaker 4 (10:42):
I don't think so we'll talk about that later. No, no, no.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
When we travel, because my wife was with the New Zealand,
the New Zealand crew would often have their own Costco
card overseas, so we'd go up to la for example,
and then you'd hop on the van, go down to
Costco and use the car. I don't know if I
should be saying this, but anyway, that's how it worked.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Why why shouldn't you be saying it? You're giving them
some advertars own card. Ah, apparently we'll hang on enough
the police court not to worry.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
It was a long time ago.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
It would be great. They're good. Have you been to
Costco Madison?
Speaker 4 (11:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (11:12):
I have.
Speaker 7 (11:12):
I love it And look maybe that's why they're not
expanding it more. They know us key Wese are such
thrifty savers that we're just going to share our cards
around and they won't make enough money on us.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
There's Wellington?
Speaker 6 (11:22):
Is there no? This one up in Auckland though.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
So you actually when you come to Aukland you made
a special trip to Costco.
Speaker 6 (11:27):
I have a proper supermarket tourist. I love it.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
How did you get in? If you don't have a card,
you're allowed in.
Speaker 6 (11:34):
You're asking me to incriminate myself live on air.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
Oh okay, enough said.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Yeah, borrow someone else's card.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
There we go.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Talking about free.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Advertising for Costco. Well, they're welcome to it. Look this story,
I gosh, I have a massive level of frustration over this.
You know, the update on Tom Phillips. So it's coming
up at the end of the year, four years I
think since he disappeared with his three children. He was
spotted again allegedly, I guess, allegedly breaking into let's just
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say everything's allegedly, but breaking to a super et in
a rural Waikato town.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
I think was pupy, wasn't it.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
And it does seem to be ridiculous, I think, Madison,
I'll throw this one at you. One of the things
that caught my attention in the news article was that
they weren't going to be sending in you know, specialist
army sas or anyone to try and find them, because
they're one worried about the well being of the children.
And I'll be honest. In the lounge, I sitting there going, Oh,
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they're worried about the well being of the children. Why
don't they worry about the fact that the well being
of these children has been already severely impacted by the
fact that they haven't found this guy and I just
send him in.
Speaker 7 (12:43):
They've been in the bush for four years. That's going
to have an impact on well being. Yeah, absolutely, But
on the other hand, you've got it. You've got to
give it to the guy. I'm not saying that he's
done is right, but four years in the bush were
three kids under the age of thirteen. He's blimming good
at whatever he's doing.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Right, although may be in someone's house at various times,
I'm guessing.
Speaker 7 (13:02):
There's all sorts that could be going on. Absolutely wonder
if the reason that they haven't sent anyone and is
not so much about the well being of the children,
but the embarrassment that this guy is really good at
hiding in the bush or to your point, people's garden chids,
whatever it may be, and they could expend a lot
more resource on it.
Speaker 6 (13:17):
But if I was that kid's mum, this is really dragged.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
On heartbreaking, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (13:22):
What do you think would be incredibly difficult for the mum,
wouldn't it?
Speaker 7 (13:25):
You know?
Speaker 3 (13:26):
I mean, do you think they need to be pouring
more resources into this? And I don't mean the essays
with rifles and stuff. I mean the essay is with
night vision and sort of their bush, you know, survival
skills and tracking someone down.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
What do you reckon?
Speaker 5 (13:37):
I wonder whether if the alleged criminality increases that they
might be forced to do that, the police might be
forced to be proactive, more proactive than they have been.
But at the same time, you can understand them taking
a sort of softly softly approach to this in the
hope that you know, confronting the situation doesn't provoke an
outcome that you knows tragic.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
I'm actually eventually, I mean, he has to resurface itally,
something has something, and I just hope that we're not
treated to a spectacle of him being treated like a
celebrity by media who are just so delighted to I
don't know, I'm biting my tongue here on certain incidents
from the past where I might have had a strong
opinion about things.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
I'll tell you what shall we We might just take
a little break, we'll come back and have a chat
about RFK.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
One good thing about him, I guess, possibly with the
full fat milk, and we'll be continue the conversation with
our panelists in just a moment. It is Madison Burgess
Smith and Pete wolf Camp. We'll be back in just
the ticket. It's twenty one past three.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Shake gun course and welcome back to the panel. I'm
sorry the Weekend Collective. Should I say this is the panel?
Speaker 3 (15:03):
I'm Tim Beverage, Pete wolf Camp and Madison Burgess Smith
and we're doing a bit of a country thing today.
I think that might it might have to blame Madison
and might producer Tyra for a mutual sort of love
of the artists we're playing today, Is that you, Madison?
Speaker 6 (15:16):
But about it was a bit of a request from me.
Absolutely thanks Tyra.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Appreciate the country gal.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Now, I'm not sure if he likes country, because I
was trying to segue into our FK Junior.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
I have a suspicions he probably does, actually.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
But the so our FK Junior look, he's responsible for
a lot of things that I think we should all
be very worried about. But one of the things he
has been about is he's anti sort of processed meals
and food and all that sort of stuff. But he's
he wants to bring back the full fat dairy products,
and it's reversing a stance that Americans should consume low
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fat milk and cheese to reduce their risk of heart
disease diabetes.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
I'm going to go with you first on this one, Pete.
Are you a full fat or a trim milk guy,
and what's your take on this?
Speaker 5 (16:02):
To be fair, typically I'm a trim milk or whatever
it is.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
The yellow top one that I come by.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Are calci trim. There's yellow top, it's the extra calcium.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
Article.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
And thought, actually, I just wonder, whether you know, for
Americans and for American school students or people that might
have obesity, is it about the milk that they're drinking
or the vast quantities of carbonated drinks that people probably
hoover up in fast food available on every corner. Shouldn't
they be focusing on that well?
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Getting rid of the sugar? Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
I think actually most most of the time, when you
see someone who's maybe got an issue health wise with
weight and things, and you think maybe because they're having
few too many sausages and chips or.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Something, but it's usually I think sugar is the major culprit.
Are you.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
I don't know if you're a milk or you're a
soy or we haven't got to know each other yet,
Madison fat.
Speaker 6 (16:57):
I'm still in the dairy.
Speaker 7 (16:59):
Haven't transitioned to you know, almond drink or oat water.
You know they're not real milks, are they. But I
think there are three big fads in life, fashion, fitness,
and food, and it seems like fat is back. Fat
is back in a big way. It's trending again. Avocado
is a good few, Olive oil is good for you.
And sure enough RFK Jr. Bringing back at the blue
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top milk, the milk from down the road. I think
this is good for New Zealand. Right we're growing cows
that are making fatty milk.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Well, actually, of course there would still be the tariffs
and on our milk.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
Oat yes, legal, by the way, but apparently it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Actually, we were going to get onto that, but it's
funny that sorry, no, that's fine.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
You can see way maybe in a minute or two.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
But actually I remember the time when we were all
being told to consume margarine and we shouldn't touch butter,
and then all of a sudden, butter was okay.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
And I think there was just a point I just went.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
I mean, it gets into a sensitive topic about how
much we pay for our butter, but I just I
just generally go with the all things in moderation.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
I'm just thinking back and sorry, it's just brought back
a very happy memory from the childhood, getting a bottle
of milk, like a glow Us bottle from the milkman
who dropped it off once you put the tokens out,
and then peeling the little metal cat back or the
aluminium cat back, and the top to it is going
back to Imperial was just solid cream.
Speaker 6 (18:18):
You probably what did you do with it? This is
this is an absurd concept to me. What did you
do with that cream?
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (18:24):
I think, well sometimes you just shake it up and
it would just go back into the milk bottle, so
you'd have an egen creamier bottle of milk.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
I remember thinking I was amazed homogenized.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
You can't remember.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
I remember sticking coins out back on the days where
you could literally stick coins out at the gate where
I grew up, mate, And I remember that the fittest
kid at school was the boy who pushed the trolley
with the bottles around, and I remember thinking that was
a good way to get fit.
Speaker 6 (18:50):
And now they're the person that runs the math question
to the front of the horse.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
That actually earliest milk. So what I mean, memories, I'm
not talking about breast milk, but I mean what were
cartons around? Well you, I mean because Madison, you you
are slightly younger than Peter.
Speaker 6 (19:12):
Slightly significantly.
Speaker 7 (19:13):
No, And when I think about glass milk bottles, that's
got to be some of the most expensive milk in
the supermarket now right like.
Speaker 6 (19:19):
That is with it?
Speaker 7 (19:19):
That is the premium Ugey exactly, farrow More Wilson's for us,
well and Tonian's.
Speaker 6 (19:25):
That's your good stuff.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
Yeah, you've got to go out and look for it,
don't you. It's not well, it isn't the supermarkets.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Its actually even now.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
And again I buy one of those bottles of slightly
posh and milk because it's a dollar more because and I.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Just and I don't know if it actually does. In
my mind, I think it tastes better, but I'm just
not sure.
Speaker 6 (19:41):
Do you keep the bottle and then just top it
up with your meadow fish.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Now that thought about so your gifts, you.
Speaker 7 (19:47):
Know when they come around soap, A yeah, I get
a good bottle of soap and then just top it
up with the stuff.
Speaker 6 (19:55):
Totally do it with your milk, with all sorts.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
God, the potential is unlimited.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
I think I could turn that into five hours of
talk back radio, but we won't do it right now, Hey,
just quickly on the well not necessarily quickly. I had
forgotten that. So the big news from the States, I
don't know. You hear these headlines come out and you think, well,
the Appeals Court has made a finance going for the
Supreme Court. But I had forgotten that. The tariffs that
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Trump has been issuing, broadly speaking, you might be able
to creep me on this medicine. They are based on
him exercising sort of emergency powers, aren't they. They're not
something where it's just run of the mill de rigueur.
This is what a president does. N't forgotten that, and
he's been overturned for the time being on the tariffs.
Speaker 6 (20:43):
Kind of like him using our equivalents of urgency, except
to the Hill, right, it's ten times more powerful. When
he just signs these sorts of declarations and some of
the math that he's using, he's basically doing just a
calculation who trades more with us than we trade with
them and then just slapping a wafty tariff on them.
And look, sure they may be illegal, but right now
it feels like it's Trump's world and the rest of
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us are just living in it.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
I mean it's not.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
He does have a mildly friendly Supreme Court, but you know,
they are still lawyers and judges, and if the law
goes against I mean, what if he fails to win
the case in the Supreme Court? Do you have you,
I mean, this sort of your ballpark to sort of
analyze what might happen here at Madison.
Speaker 7 (21:27):
Yeah, I have no idea, but it just means consistent
global uncertainty across the markets everywhere, markets for everything basically,
And so the challenge a lot of countries will face is,
you know, how do they plan for their trade with
Trump and with the US and for US, you know,
also with China based on a lot of what's going
on right now. And it could be a long time
before we've got an answer, because he'll appeal and appeal
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and appeal.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Yeah, although once it goes Supreme Court, I tend to
think that and hopefully is the end of the road.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
But the fascinating thing about this, which was almost.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
We covered this in politics last week and at the
time I hadn't really got my head around how big
an issue this was. But because of the tariffs, and
they've got rid of the deminimous rule where nothing that
goes in that's of a value of more than a
few cents can get through without being subject to tariff.
So that's how most people send stuff. You send grammar,
a pair of slippers, you don't have to worry about
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it being held up in the post because the dominamous
rule applies because it's only worth you know, one hundred
bucks or fifty bucks or whatever. But they've got rid
of that and New Zealand Post we're among a lot
of countries who are not sending anything to the States
except for letters. And this is all linked to the
tariffs things. It's quite remarkable.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
Because I saw that story as well as going to
comment on that that suddenly New Zealand Post is going
we're not sending anything to the States. Yeah, and then
but we're not alone so it's.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
France, Australia, UK. Have you followed that one, Madison, Yeah.
Speaker 7 (22:53):
I mean it's tough, right because we're just everyday people
kind of trying to go about sending gifts to people
or getting gifts from people, and you're caught up in
this big global phenomenon that.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Is I reckon.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Look, if you've got a few relatives or friends in
the States that you feel obliged to buy a presence
for that, you can't be bothered. Just say, look, I'm
so sorry, but I would we wanted to, but this
deminimous rule.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
I don't know what to do with it. But of
course you know you can use that for a while
well possibly yeah. Hey, Now, speaking of the big news,
I have to declare that it doesn't really rip.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Monickers in terms of announcements, but I do love I
also quite like the fact that there's a few aspects
to this story about Taylor Swift getting engaged Travis Kelcey. Firstly,
I think the ring cost about six hundred and fifty
thousand dollars US, so a million New Zealand dollars. That's
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slightly pricey. It's a little more than I spent on
the ring for my wife?
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Were you I'm going to go to up?
Speaker 7 (23:56):
Now?
Speaker 4 (23:57):
What can I go to your truck up? Because I
know where you're going and where am I going?
Speaker 2 (24:00):
I don't know where am I going? Are you no? No?
Now we'll get onto that.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
But were you excited about Taylor swift getting and are
you a swifty No? Okay, right, I'm yeah, because there
are a few people in this firm who are swifties
or I was surprised.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
By imagine there'd be a truckload.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Yeah? Are you a swifty.
Speaker 7 (24:19):
Madison, I'm a young woman in my late twenties, absolutely
a swifty And going to the point on how much
the ring cost. I read somewhere that that amount of
money is the equivalent of her going up for breakfast,
or for him, it's the equivalent of a week's rent.
Speaker 6 (24:35):
So that number for mere mortals like ourselves is huge.
So he was the celebrities like this, He forfeited the
equivalent of a week's rent, Chris ring.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
It's supposed to be I believe, well, that's a modern thing.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
That's bonkers.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
I understood it. The generally long term rules A month's
salary a month. I still spend on it. Which depending
on this. Back when I was a freelance singer, I
said to my wife, depends what sort of month ahead
might be just a tab off, a backet of off
counter cola or something or something.
Speaker 6 (25:06):
I think you'd pick your monk quite deliberately around to
ask that question.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
That's actually it's actually very long.
Speaker 6 (25:13):
I'm excited.
Speaker 7 (25:14):
I think she's bringing marriage back in a way. You know,
everything Swift does kind of turns to gold. Everything's so
exciting about her, and marriage is on the massive decline.
I mean, I'm in my late twenties. I don't have
too many friends that are engaged, and to be honest,
coming back to a month's rent or i'm sorry, a
month's salary, I don't think too many of them would
want to be having that sort of money spent on
them in the sort of economy either.
Speaker 6 (25:33):
So hopefully she starts a bit of a trend on
this front. So I've got a few more weddings to
go to.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Thought for a minute you were going to advertise on
air saying I'm in my late twenties and I haven't
had a proposal from someone yet and putting some pressure
on someone suddenly here's the interesting thing. I think so
lux And said, look, you couldn't help himself, and I think,
what harm? But he said, he basically put it out
there that they should come to New Zealand for their honeymoon,
(25:59):
and he knows someone who knows Travis kelce But apparently
the comic from Travis Kelsey came back that maybe we'd
think about it if they were going to throw citizenship
in a passport in And I'm going to say it
right here, I'm not in favor of generally giving anyone
a shortcut to passports and citizenship of New Zealand. But
if Travis Kelcey and Taylor Swift want to become Kiwi's
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give it to them yesterday.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
What do you think madisone that.
Speaker 7 (26:25):
Is phenomenal marketing. He did really well then, and to
get a bit of a response as well, I think, yeah,
good on him.
Speaker 6 (26:31):
Shoot your shot to.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
Get the investador in the car off to Kelsey's place.
Right now with the application form, I think.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
We should fill it out for him.
Speaker 7 (26:41):
I think I can see Chris Luxon going out and
getting his celebrant certificate just to be all the day
man in the middle.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Well, who would he be fighting off for that. What
other politicians would like.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
To he could host them in his place in Wahiki.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Yeah, yeah, I look, I think funny. Wouldn't that be hilarious?
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Imagine if Taylor Swift decided, along with Travis Kelcey, that
she was going to settle for dual citizenship in New Zealand.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
Look, I'd be okay with that, even I'd become a Swift.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Would you? Are you swifty to the extent you do
the friendship bracelets? Madison?
Speaker 6 (27:09):
No, And I've never been to a concert, but she
writes good music.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Okay, well, okay, I.
Speaker 6 (27:17):
Agree to disagree anyway.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Hey, look we're going to take it.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
But anyway, look it's always lovely to you know, lovely
to have a little bit of good.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
News to celebrate in a very happy couple.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
So good on them. We'll be back in just a moment.
It is twenty three minutes to four news Talk said
b disagree, Yes, Welcome back to the Weekend Collective. This
(27:51):
is the panel with Madison, Virgins, Smith, Burgess Smith and
People wolf.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Camp on Tim Beverage. Actually, just before we move on,
I was.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Actually just briefly reflecting on that Taylor the Taylor and
Travis announcement, and I was actually thinking, you know what,
it's easy to be fickle about this, but can you
imagine the publicity for New Zealand tourism if Taylor Swift
did come here. I think actually LUXM was bang on
with with that little encouragement, it would become you know,
(28:18):
oh yeah, I mean even if they just came here
for a cup of tea.
Speaker 6 (28:21):
I mean, seriously, the kettle on, I say, put the.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Kettle on, yeah, into full milk.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Yeah, I'll bake some bake them some crosso They can
come round to my place if they like anyway. Now, look,
let's the story about Auckland UNI. That the grades are
up and the number of people getting a's has This
is in this since two thousand and six, the number
of people of using getting A plus, A or A
minus has increased from twenty two percent to thirty five
(28:51):
percent since two thousand and six.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
There wasn't it.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
There was a dramatic rise during COVID nineteen. I think
we all lost the plot then, didn't we a bit
of a fall and then a rebound. In other words,
it looks like are we smarter or are they just
giving out more. I'm thinking I'm going to go to
the younger person of the younger person of our trio here, Madison,
what do you reckon?
Speaker 7 (29:13):
I think we should be quite alarmed by this. Yeah,
it's thirty five percent of all students getting an A.
This is actually a trend globally at the moment in
terms of what they're calling great inflation. And a lot
of it is to do with how we fund universities. Right, So,
university is a kind of funded per student. So a
lecturer or a tutor, or whoever it may be, is
incentivized to keep kids in their class by giving them
(29:35):
good grades. And you know, if you hear, you know,
professor Tim, he gives out lots of a's, Well I'll
sign up to his class and you know, skirt my way.
Speaker 6 (29:42):
Through pretty easy.
Speaker 7 (29:43):
But a lot of this is also you know, we're
actually letting kids down by not allowing them.
Speaker 6 (29:49):
To fail, you know, or build a bit of resilience. Well,
everyone thinks they're amazing all of a sudden.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
I remember when I was at law school at a
tigo and you almost knew the people who got a's
by name, because they were hard to come by, scarce,
and if you got and I remember one of the
lecturers saying, if you're getting a B or a B plus,
you are really doing well because they marked things really
hard and it does seem actually, I probably do have
(30:15):
to check which university did you go to?
Speaker 7 (30:16):
Madison Victoria, University of Wellington and look, I think there
was a bit of this happening there as well.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Did you get a few a's.
Speaker 6 (30:23):
Ah, a few more than I probably deserved.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
That's modesty, isn't it?
Speaker 4 (30:27):
You know?
Speaker 3 (30:27):
You?
Speaker 2 (30:29):
What about you, Pete? What do you reckon?
Speaker 3 (30:31):
What do you think are they basically making excellence a
bit average?
Speaker 5 (30:36):
As someone with someone in the household who's looking at
starting university next year, as a parent about to be
a university student, you kind of go, you know, does
this undermine something of the confidence that we have that
universities are about learning? Are you know that it's somehow
impartial or objective or that there's a standard whereas this
(30:59):
is kind of saying that to your point, medicine that
well as a marketing tool will encourage you lots of
a's and then we'll have lots of students and that's
good for business.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
The thing is, where do we go from here? Madison.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
I mean, we've got this ridiculous number of people passing.
This is Auckland. I should say, I don't know what
the other universities are doing, but there we go.
Speaker 7 (31:16):
A lot of them are quite similar. And I mean,
I look at this from an employer's perspective, how are
you supposed to know if a graduate coming through the
doors any good? If you've got interviewing ten of them
and they're all A grade students. I think we need
to see a system where you send someone else out
to mark your student's work. It's not done by you
as a tutor. It's done by someone else externally. That's
what we see with NCAA exams, for example, and that
(31:36):
seems to work pretty well.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
This is since two thousand and six, so this is
almost twenty years worth of practice going. I mean, it's
sort of an It's ingrained in a little bit, isn't it.
Because if you're a lecturer, if you've been a lecturer
in the last ten or fifteen years, your idea of
what an a is is quite different to what it
was thirty years ago. I mean, how do you turn
that around or do you have to start scaling and
(31:59):
just saying Okay, well we're only going to allow twenty
percent of people to have a's full stop.
Speaker 7 (32:03):
Yeah, And I think that's how it should be, right.
Everyone should fall on a bell curve. And to your point,
you know, a B to B plus is pretty good,
a C smack bang in the middle. And then there
are people who are genuinely failing, because what we're starting
to see is this kind of education inflation where we've
got a lot of people who are way overqualified, but
it's become so easy to get a degree, and so
then people need to get a master's degree and a PhD.
(32:25):
And we're just all spending all this time at university.
That's probably fruitless.
Speaker 5 (32:29):
Pete, I tend to agree to be fair. I mean,
it's you know, it's a genuine concern because if you're
standing outside the universities, you're looking at the universities going,
you know, it's a bastion of learning. It's somewhere that
should celebrate excellence, and if excellence is easily achieved, then
it's less meaningful.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
That's a concern.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Yeah, I am resisting because I'm now dying to see
a copy of Madison's academic record, which I think be
quite good. But I'm resisting. I'm resisting mentioning it. I'm
not saying a word. I'm not saying a word. Let's
move on, shall we other things that are up. I
can't get my head around this that insurance apparently has
had the largest price rise of any item tracked in
(33:10):
the Consumer Price Index since two thousand. Unfortunately I couldn't
find a director comparison with Australia, but the gist I
got was theirs is a lot less. But insurance has
gone up nine hundred and sixteen percent in the last
twenty five years. This is ahead of cigarettes and tobacco,
they're up six hundred percent. We know we've been taxing
(33:30):
now out of them. Pete, you have done a bit of.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Dig into this.
Speaker 5 (33:34):
I saw the story and I went back through. I
love spreadsheets, right, so I got household expenses in the spreadsheet,
and I can go back and look at what my
insurance costs were last year, year before, etc. Then I
could go back to two thousand and eight to look
at what my let's say, monthly invoice for house insurance
was calculated that between now or between let's say September
(33:57):
two thousand and eight to the last one that I
paid on the twenty fifth of August. It's gone up
sixty three percent from two thousand and eight toy.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
So that would match I guess since two thousand might
have gone U nine hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
I mean.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
Since two thousand and eight.
Speaker 6 (34:16):
You're an Auckland Pete.
Speaker 7 (34:17):
Yep, Yeah, So Valentonians are now paying twice the premium
of what Auckland Auckland was, so different pockets of the
country have risen at different rates.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Yeah, Madison, what are your thoughts about it?
Speaker 7 (34:29):
Well, it makes you think, you know, we should probably
not sweat the price of butter. Should Where where our
household budgets are actually being drained is in these really
large expenses, our rates and our insurance. And for a
lot of people, they're starting to make quite risky decisions.
And I was reading the story as well, Pete, about
the number of people who, as soon as they go
mortgage free, they think, well, look, you know, if the
(34:50):
worst case happened, I don't have any debt on this house,
so I'm going to stop paying my insurance. And if
worst came to worse and I lost the whole lot,
I guess I'd just go live in a caravan somewhere.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
I saw that one, which is it's quite frightening, and
actually it does make you wonder that, regardless of what's
happening with dairy product prices and inflation, that the government
might say we're getting inflation under control and all that
sort of thing, and the economy is turning around, it
seems that there are some sort of anchors around our
feet that are still making us feel down and the
(35:21):
dumps about money, and it's probably that's one of them,
insurance rates. I don't know what the other things are
at the top of my head. You mentioned something else
their medicine, but that's.
Speaker 7 (35:31):
Your mortgage is starting to come down. But it doesn't
matter if your rates, which is you know, for a
lot of people are six to eight thousand dollars bill
in some places is going up fifteen percent year on year.
Insurance is the same. Yeah, it's it's a real challenge
for people because you have to make hard choices. These
aren't things that you can really afford.
Speaker 6 (35:49):
To go without.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
What's the vibe with you and your business in terms
of because apparently the signs of economy wise that we
are starting to maybe turn around, and I'm always curious
to know when we'll feel it now you how's things
going with you there, Peepe.
Speaker 5 (36:02):
In terms of construction and that there are just very tiny,
tiny green shoots. I think there's the beginning of there
seems to be an uptick in renovations. So people are
obviously deciding that now is not the time to sell,
and so they'll tip a bit more money into the house.
Interest rates have a tremendous impact on that. Just on
(36:23):
the insurance, I think what I find fascinating about this
is that it's it's a much more nuanced than just
saying it's up nine hundred percent, because that's obviously not
true for everyone, but for people in risky areas. I
think the insurers are getting a lot more focused on
property as well. This is an area that we're not
going to insure anymore.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Hey Madison, how's the vibe in Wellington?
Speaker 7 (36:46):
I think that vibe Wellington's pretty good. You know, you've
had pockets, for example, government employers that's been pretty down,
but on the whole, you know, we've had a lot
of bigger events start to return to the city, which
has been exciting, but there are a lot of people
who are still doing it really tough. But to Pete's point,
those green shoots are starting to come through someone like
me who's on at a bigger mortgage here on a
(37:08):
fault line.
Speaker 6 (37:09):
Your insurance is huge.
Speaker 7 (37:10):
Do you put in your making, Pete, And you're about
to come off that high seven percent mortgage there to
something closer.
Speaker 6 (37:16):
To a four and a half. That's a lot of
breathing room.
Speaker 7 (37:19):
That's about to come about over the summer, and that's
a lot of choice for you.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
Hey, look we're going to take a quick moment come
back with my panelist Matison Burgess Smith and Pete Wolfcamp.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
This is the Weekend Collective panel. It's ten to four.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
Yes, welcome back my panelists Madison Burgess Smith and Pete
wolf Camp.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
By the way, if you're tuning in and you go, hell.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
That sounds really interesting with those guys, then you can
go check out our podcast news Talk, saidb dot co
dot nz. I just look for the Weekend Collective and
my producer tyre Ward is lightning at getting the audio up.
As soon as we say goodbye, Boofer, she's processing it,
so probably before Sandy starts speaking for the news, that
hour will be up and locked and loaded. And if
it's not, I've just put a lot of pressure on
(37:58):
Tira to get that done. So good on You're Tyra
now lucky. Last guys, I do love the technology, which
seems it's so important with the number of terrible headlines
around former players and brain injuries and all that sort
of thing. But the new flashing LED mouthguards.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
I quite like it. It's almost entertaining.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
So if you get if you get a they contain
accelerometers and gyroscopes in your mouthguard that detect significant head
collisions and an embedded red LED like to flash, so
literally your teeth start flashing if you've had a bit
of a bit of a wobble. I mean, this is
entertaining and necessary medicine.
Speaker 6 (38:37):
This is epic. This is so awesome. I am wondering
about how this is going to enter the play.
Speaker 7 (38:42):
You know, is the riff going to ask you, hey,
give me a grin, let me see that mouth out
of yours. Like, I don't actually know how it's going
to play out, but given you know the issues we've
seen with CTE and how many high profile deaths they've
been lately, look, I think Rugby's facing a social license
issue without the sort of technology.
Speaker 6 (38:59):
It's awesome to see.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
Yeah, I actually like the idea that maybe it could
bluetooth up to some sort of audio signal and the
and will have a.
Speaker 5 (39:07):
Like we did a takeaway and they give you a
little disc, you know, when your orders done.
Speaker 7 (39:11):
Yeah, and you're all looking around for whose mouth is
lining up like a Christmas tree.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
Actually, I wonder if they I mean, would be a
flashing thing.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
But you could probably give the ref something that would
vibrate in his pocket and you go, oh, I'm getting
a bit of a buzz here.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
Who's taken a bit of a knock.
Speaker 5 (39:23):
I have a recollection that in a game in the
last couple of weeks they called a player off because
the alert had gone off. It turned out to be
the wrong player. So maybe they'd swap mouthguards or something.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
That would be a weird one, considering that you'd have
to have the same set of teeth too, wouldn't you.
Speaker 7 (39:39):
But I have seen some negative feedback around this slowing
down play and people that have that view of it,
you're reading the game all wrong. Head injury assessments are
one of the most important parts of rugby right now.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
Yeah, and I do think I mean we have seen
some terrible headlines and a tragedy and mental health issues
that people have suffered from as a result of the
head knocks. And I don't know where it goes from here,
but whatever tools can give those players the best information
about how they're doing.
Speaker 7 (40:05):
The better A yeah totalas or another technology that's like
a sticker behind the ear. Lots of people are thinking
about really innovative ways to keep people playing.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
Hey, look, we're gonna have to leave it there, Pete.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
Thanks so good to see you again as always and
love having on the packing.
Speaker 5 (40:20):
Medisone good stuff to meet you both.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Yeah, yeah, we'll have to. Well, we'll look forward to
next time.
Speaker 6 (40:25):
Thanks for the fun.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
There we go. That wasn't a yes, wasn't.
Speaker 6 (40:30):
It's really fine and I thank you great.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
Thanks anyway, we'll be back. What are we back when? Oh,
we've got the one radio show. Do we want property
prices to go up?
Speaker 2 (40:41):
All down?
Speaker 3 (40:41):
We can get you to stick around for this one.
But Nicole Lewis is with us in the studio.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
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