October 24, 2025 • 40 mins
This week on The Panel, Tim Beveridge is joined by Resident Builder Pete Wolfkamp and journalist Wilhelmina Shrimpton, to discuss the biggest stories from the week that was.
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should you have made more effort to stay together? Or
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So we're going to dig into those big questions on
news talks. He'd be for the Parent Squad after five.
Sports wrapped shortly before six with Nathan Limb looking forward
to some soccer match that's coming up. I think bit
of a giveaway on that because one of our journals
came in resplendent in the full Auckland f C uniform
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even but yeah, that's it's all happening, so we'll be
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Speaker 1 (02:22):
Insightful, entertaining and always a point. Tim Beveridge on the
Weekend Collective News Talks, I'd.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
Be yes and introducing my panelists who I was gonna
call them, but so they're both w's really but here
he is. It's Pete wolf Camp, the Wolf, the resident Builder,
all round good guy, surprisingly opinionated as well. Pete wolf Camp, Llo,
how are you greeting?
Speaker 5 (02:44):
It's nice to see you, he will, Yeah, very well,
you've been well.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
And another thing, you've been water blasting today.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
And doesn't that make everybody happy? Like you can do?
Speaker 1 (02:53):
No?
Speaker 5 (02:53):
Seriously, does anyone ever do water blasting and then go gee,
I wish I hadn't done that.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Only if they get too close to the asphalt, timber
or yes to anything. So yes, always to be done
at a certain distance and pressure correctly.
Speaker 5 (03:06):
It's restraint.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Yeah, and if you've got any questions about that, you
can call them on the Resident Builder. At what time
is that?
Speaker 5 (03:11):
Let's start at six?
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Okay? God, yes, what do you get what time you
get up about quarter to six. Anyway, enjoining me, she
has come today resplendent. I think she's dressed as of
vanilla smoothie because she is so well color coordinated. There
was not going to be she's she's wearing a sort
of lovely sort of creamy vanilla sort of thing with
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a slightly she's like a butterscotch sort of smoothie peraps
because there's a bit of a butterscotch flavor to the
to the what's that thing you've got on top of
yashi beverage? And that's the last time. I think we're
going to know her as Wilhelmina Shrimpton, because yes, I.
Speaker 6 (03:55):
Was so she came to that realization when I came in,
I thought this might be my last paddle before our
wedding in December. On December thirteenth. Then I'm going to
change my surname on air as well.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
O'Keefe.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
When you said you were going to change your name
on air, I thought you were going to make the
announcement on it, which.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Yeah, well that's true. There we go.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Actually, that's well, I like the I like the rhythm
of Wilhelmine or o'keef, Thank you, Wilhelmina Shrimpton's got a
lot of consonants in it, and it's but it's distinctive.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
It's a lot, it's a lot.
Speaker 6 (04:25):
But you know, if you want to shorten Willowmina Okaife,
it's wock because Ben O'Keefe is boxed. So we're walking back,
walking back, I feel like to start a range of
surfriy sauces or something.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
The walk and brock steriarchy, you know, stir fry.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Yeah, what made you decide to change the name.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Because haven't we talked about this?
Speaker 4 (04:46):
She's that we have Indeed, she is very much love.
In fact, we're just chatting with Ben before. Who's who's
in Japan? I think he is? And he was bragging
this off to an oasis.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
He managed to snag himself a last minute isis ticket
that doesn't cast the world three hundred bucks he got. Yeah,
how good?
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Yeah, he sort of sid asked. He mention it to
me to ask from jealous. I was like, not really
to musical theater anyway, Hey, welcome to the show, guys.
I thought that we would start with a nice positive
news story today for the politics, and it's it's got
a positive thing and it's got a negative thing, which
I'll bring on in a moment. But so the government,
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in fact, it almost you almost want when you read
these headlines, you see some good news and you go,
are my eyes deceiving me? Because normally political news is
all bad and strikes and all that. But the government
has already achieved its goal of a fifteen percent reduction
in serious and persistent youth offenders four years early. I mean,
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so it does just what can I believe my ears?
But anyway, so Children's Minister Karen Shaw says it's partially
down to young people believing they can't they can't avoid
accountability for their actions. But a nice positive headline peak
do you reckon?
Speaker 5 (05:59):
And I did hear Hosking talking with Karen Schure about
this in the sense that did you just set a
really really low target and therefore achieving it seemingly four
years early is easy? It doesn't. Well, the claim, of
course is no we didn't. But you know it cast
your mind back what eighteen months, two years ago you
couldn't wake up on a Sunday morning without hearing about
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a RAM raid. Now they are somewhat diminished these days,
so something has changed.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
Yeah, well I may, yeah.
Speaker 6 (06:26):
One hundred percent. I first heard it and thought, what's
the catch? And I mean, like you said, that was
what Hoskin's first question was, was are we sure about this?
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Is there some little blip in the data, But it's great.
Speaker 6 (06:39):
I mean how often did they actually achieve a target
on time, let alone early? And I remember I did
like a big deep dive on ram Raiders about three
years ago and interviewed a couple of ram raiders. One
was thirteen, one was fifteen, and both of them had said,
I'm not afraid of police.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
I don't. It's not something that jars me when I
see them.
Speaker 6 (07:02):
We're afraid of the dogs because they're afraid about getting
mauled by the dogs, and they're afraid of prison, but
they're not afraid of police. And obviously, thinking that far
ahead to being put into a youth justice facility, that's
quite far out, but the immediate threat of police and
seeing frontline offices just wasn't something that they were jarred by.
So that's interesting to hear, and I wonder if that's
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the case.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Well, here's the thing, and here's the negative thing coming in.
Is I looked for the story in other media outlets
and I thought, oh, well, one news will have covered it.
And one News a year ago talked about how the
government was at risk of missing one of its two
of its public service targets for violent crime and student achievement,
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and so it was mentioning how it was about that
goal that the government had and how it was at
risk of missing it. And here we have the good
news of the government actually reaching its target, and it's
nowhere to be seen. And I wonder, is it because
one News don't like any positive stories about the government,
because I'm starting to feel it that way. Did it
I don't know, because why do we not hear about
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it and some of the other major news outlets.
Speaker 6 (08:08):
As a journalist, I think if you cover something from
the get go, you should cover any follow up that
comes through. I can't sit here and say I know
what their news day look like, I know what their
resources look like. But I feel like, as a journalist,
having worked on six o'clock for a number of years,
if I followed something from the beginning and did something
or revealed various data, I feel like I have a
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moral obligation to cover something that was a follow up
or an update on that.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Yeah. And actually the reason it's because I suddenly thought
maybe we just conditioned, even with the storylet this, we
conditioned to not expecting good news because we just get
the fed this diet of negativity, and I don't know,
it makes me very cynical about, you know, whether how
broad a picture we're getting of New Zealand news stories sometimes.
But anyway, it was on news talks, he'd be so
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maybe that's.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
All I was going to go. I'm going to say it.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
I was going to about it. But anyway, I'll move on.
I'll build a bridge and I'll build it.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
That wasn't big.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
No, No, I'll build a bridge and and move on.
But anyway, good news there. Hey, look, okay, I'm not
sure what to make of this. So Mahama Davidson of
the Greens has apologized after missing a member's bill speaking slot.
So she had this bill ac called the Right to
Repair Bill, which would have required manufacturers to repair rather
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than simply replace products. It was likely to have been
voted down, but she basically missed being in the chamber
to present the bill, so that the bill was dead
on arrival, which seems like a fundamental balls up on
her part, But on the other side it seems that
she wasn't that late. But it's like sorry, times up,
move on? What do you reckon? Willhelmina.
Speaker 6 (09:45):
It's so tricky, right because if it really is twenty seconds.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
That's a bit harsh.
Speaker 6 (09:50):
But there are rules for a reason, and I know
there have been a lot of chat about that in
Parliament at the moment, about rules being broken and when
you know, parliamentary remembers needing to stick to those rules.
And I just feel like as soon as you're lenient
for someone the first time you set the president for
been lenient further down the track and you have to
just draw a line in the sand. You can't keep
pushing the line out. But twenty seconds is a bit harsh.
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And also, if you knew you were going to speak,
wouldn't you be there twenty minutes half an hour early.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
It's like turning up for a job interview. You get
there just on time.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Like I know, especially if you've got your bill which
has been drawn out of the biscuit tin and there
are lots of bills people want to present. It's your baby,
why would you not be But it is interesting just
to read. How I mean, she should have been there
full stop, right, but Parliament TV showed that she wasn't
in A speaker in his seat sorry. When Assistant Speaker
more I in Peugh called on the next door of business,
there was a pause. National MP Tom Rather to jump
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to his feet, says I was expecting the Member in
charge of the legislation to stand up and take the
first call on this bill, but she hasn't turned up.
Then the camera would return to a wide shot of
the chamber with Davidson there attempting to speak, but Pew
said the moment to speak had passed.
Speaker 5 (10:59):
Politics from Davidson, isn't it. You know, you spot the gap,
you exploit the gap and go, but you're not here.
I'm going to jump up right now, and then the
Speaker is going to have to overrule me and tell
me that, oh, well they deserve another chance or something
like that. So it's a fantastic piece of politics. To
be fair, I'm actually a little bit disappointed that that
bill didn't get through. I think the Right to Repair
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would have been a really good piece of legislation.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
Although yeah, it's an interesting one. I don't think it
would have passed because talking about the substance of it,
because there are some goods which are produced and the
reason that we can buy cheap appliances is probably because
they're not required to have to repair them. I don't know,
but I'm not sure, but I imagine there are things that
are easier to manufacture mass market because from scratch, yeah,
(11:46):
fair enough, from scratch. Did I say scratch? Then did
I do it now? My fat? But I imagine that
the high high volume manufacturing means that it probably is
cheaper to just give them a new one rather than
have to get someone to open it up and go
and the old one go.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
Well, that's the point, yeah, exactly, So it goes to landfill, right,
and it just contributes.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
I must have I do what I do think about
the landfill because we've got a few things we had
missed the inorganic collection, right, went bang on about it,
so sure I'd finished filled out the form properly, and
the council said, we've don't have any record of it.
But I was thinking, it does seem a shame when
you think, I mean clothing and stuff as well.
Speaker 6 (12:26):
Mount fashion industry, the amount of clothes that go to landfill.
I do think about it too. It sounds like a
funny thing to say. I often think about the landfill.
But where does it all go? You know, It's just
just it's so there's so much, there's so much wastage.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
I don't think you need to worry about your outfits
going into landfill, because I think that they will end
up in your own museum. The will and a mean
of Shrimpton.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Mortalized Forever Athletic Game, Caramel vanilla shrine. No caramel?
Speaker 4 (12:56):
Did you say caramel?
Speaker 7 (12:57):
Did you say cats heard camel or something? Oh my god, caramel.
My hair is going anyway. But you could have your
own music. I don't think i've ever seen you tune
up without a distinctive alamode fashion.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Look about you?
Speaker 6 (13:12):
You ask?
Speaker 2 (13:13):
You're still flattery today?
Speaker 4 (13:15):
I am something um anyway, Right, let's move on now.
I don't know how excited to get this about this,
but Auckland Transports got Athol the pothole promotion, and they've
basically said, I, if you report your pothole, they're undertaking
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to get someone out to fill it and make it
safe within twenty four hours if it's on a busy
main roadway. For all other sealed roads, a little bit roads,
it'll be five days. I quite like the fact that
they've said a target for themselves, don't.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
You think it's great? Absolutely? Maybe they've gone out and
bought one of those big pothole machines you see those.
They've got like a hydraulic arm out the front that
comes up, parks itself in front of the pothole, makes
a really neat little square with one part of the machine.
Then another attachment comes out vacuums up all of that
material and then on board is the ashhelt for the
replacement as well, and a compactor job. Don't drive on
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to the next job.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
I love it. Where have you seen these in the UK?
Speaker 5 (14:18):
But I think someone in New Zealand's bought one. I'm
pretty sure.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
That actually wouldn't be a bad business, would it, just
to buy one of those machines and rock up to
talk and transport and say you want your man or woman. Indeed,
actually I do have a question just for you guys,
and it's based on having a chat with a friend
of mine who was talking about there's a new pedestrian
crossing which they've shoved in the middle of down in
Koe and it literally took them. It's a pedestrian crossing
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on a non busy road, and they literally closed that
part of the road down for a couple of weeks
to stick in a pedestrian crossing, because of course they
all get raised. They're all a raised pedestrian crossing. I
just wonder, one, how does it take two weeks? But two?
Whatever happened to just painting a bit estrian crossing on
a road and moving on? Do we all have do
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they all have to be raised? Pete?
Speaker 5 (15:12):
Because it just seems no. I'm genuinely conflicted here because
they've been doing the same thing where I live right.
So at one stage they came through Devenport and they
had this proposal to put in like six raised crossings
from the roundabout at the end of Lake Road to
the bottom of the village basically, and there was a
fair amount of local discussion about it, and they put
them in as traffic charming. I've never seen people more upset,
(15:34):
but anyway, and they ended up putting in I'm just
trying to think one, two, three, four, maybe four or
five of them, you know, to reduce the traffic to
thirty kilometers an hour through the village, and I'm like,
that's aspirational getting to thirty kilometers an hour. So I
don't know. I mean it does feel safer from a
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pedestrian point of view. I think if you step off
the curb and onto a raised crossing, it does feel
like you are more likely not I was going to say,
more likely to be seen. I think it just it
does set up an expectation for drivers to slow down,
whereas a lot of drivers will just ignore pedestrian crossings
painted on the road.
Speaker 6 (16:13):
And even when there's no pedestrians there, it's it acts
as a speed bump right just along that wider stretch
of roads, so I suppose it's doubling.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
Well, apparently this for us is a raised one, which
is actually in an intersection where you're slowing down anyway,
So you sort of wonder what the point is.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
Annoy those ones annoy me that are like smack, being
in the middle of an intersection, yeah, and.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
A tea intersection and you're trying to yeah anyway, isn't it?
But it just it just makes you feel like it
just takes forever to get anything done. It's because while
everything's sort of over the comment, I could be it,
don't tell me how, No, somewhere.
Speaker 5 (16:48):
Between two hundred and fifteen and three hundred grand each.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
I actually would have thought it'd be much more than that. Really,
I thought, for some reason, two hundred and thirty thousand bucks.
We got a quote for retail for resealing our driveway
for about twenty odd grand for asphalt, and it's thirty
meters with a speed no speed hump, so you see
there's the speed hump.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
Yeah, we'll take speed hump.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
So need to save this other couple hundred grand.
Speaker 6 (17:11):
Yeah, on the on the potholes, though, I would have
thought that within twenty four hours. If it's in a
main thoroughf you're in a maze road that they're talking
about like this is reinventing the world.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
This is this huge, big deal. It's wow, we're going
to do it in twenty four hours. You'd think that
they'd respond pretty quickly.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (17:26):
Anyway, if it is a main road, so I don't know,
it's just yeah, are they making a song and dance
about swimming that should be happening already.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
Possibly. I just had to mention it and get it
off my chest, because you know it. Auck can transport
huge fans of the show's twenty four past three news
talk z B. Yes, welcome back to the show. Wilhelmina
Shrimpton and Pete wolf Camp I panelists today and now guys,
just looking back on the week that was the mega
strike with the thousands walking for the job, I've got
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to say it was sort of overshadowed a little bit
by the horrendous weather that much of a New Zealand
experience with those wins. When should I say wi INDs, Willhelmina,
what do you reckon about? Where you can come in
on the winds if you like. But the strike with
thousands walking off the job, do you think it was
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a bit of a job in the government or do
you think it was something where good on your for
striking or is there some middle ground there?
Speaker 2 (18:23):
I feel like I feel a bit middle ground about it.
Speaker 6 (18:25):
I know that these are key roles and they're really
important roles within our society, you know, people teaching our
future generations. These are people who are in our healthcare
system and they should be getting the pay and the
resources that they need. But I feel like it's such
an ongoing thing and it's getting to a really pointy end.
Of the year, particularly from the education side of things.
I couldn't help but think of a lot of the
students who are going into exams. It's really really tough
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on them, and they need their teachers there to prepare
for those exams. You know, they've just come out of
a period of COVID where they're trying to get their
heads back in the game and around the curriculum, and
then to have all these days off over and over again,
that's really really tough. I also think it's when you
compare it to pay rises within the private sector. I
think some of the deals that have been offered are
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not that bad in comparison to private sector workers. So
I think it's a bit of a balancing act. And
I think as long as it's the true intent is
about the fact that we need more resources to do
our job.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
It's not just about money. And I know that they
say that it's about resources to do their job, but
cost of living is biding.
Speaker 6 (19:26):
I know it's also there's a high level of importance
put on the monetary value as well.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
I think the point you make about the private sector,
I mean people within the private sector being told for
a long time there's not much money. Because times are tough,
it seems that the public sector side of things are
a little bit tone deaf to that side of things.
But what do you recompete?
Speaker 5 (19:43):
I'm a touch conflicted on it as well. You know,
I'm a board of trustees member right at a school,
So it was something that we discussed the other day.
And we've got a year thirteen student at home, right
So at this point the end of the year, for
those senior students going into exams, missing a day and
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then another day and another day of instruction at this
end of the year, I can't help but say it
feels a bit tone deaf in terms of saying, hey,
this is about better opportunities for the kids. But at
the same time, I recognize the right to strike, and
do I want to see teachers paid more? Yeah? Absolutely,
I do you know, on top of what has been
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fairly significant pay rises for teachers over the last few years,
is you know one scene or something like that just
part of where we're at right now.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
I got to say it's I don't feel that the
unions were really I think they are really dying to
strike and they weren't dying to negotiate. That's the impression
I got and the interview Chris Abercrombie last weekend and
it was went around the time where it was revealed
that the top item of the agenda they put and
was let's talk about Palestine. And asked me, I said,
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I do not care about Palestine kids being educated. I
was like, can I come and get real? This is
about a strike and about kids. You know, the teachers
at school. I stand to benefit. My wife's a teacher.
But so it's not like I'm speaking out the other
side of my mouth, you know.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
I mean, we're all invested in it.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
We are all invested in it, but I just can't
get I don't trust the unions to be dealing in
good faith. And I sort of understand why the public
service felt like they wanted to stick a stick the
odd social media message out there. To the massive budget
of a couple.
Speaker 6 (21:28):
Hundred bucks, there's just so many things to consider as well,
and I feel like when it comes to negotiating things
like this, it is about compromise.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
You know.
Speaker 6 (21:36):
I know that you can sit here and think about
the industry and isolation, but we've also got to look
at the bigger picture. And like you say, there's a
cost of living crisis at the moment, and the government's
trying to deal with a massive deficit, and GDP is
all fault. There's so many factors at play, and sometimes
you have to put aside. You're well, not put aside,
but compromise in your own head about what you need
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versus the entire population as well, and try and meet
and find a middle ground so that sides are happy.
And like I said before, private sector workers probably aren't
getting much.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
I'm always a little as suspicious when a strike it
proceeds a teacher only day which precedes labor Day, and
I would have got a text to the show saying
it's not a strike, it's a five day weekend. YEA
from there, I don't know. If I was a teacher,
maybe that's the way I'd plan it. Actually, I mean
it did sort of get overshadowed a bit in the news.
I mean I still got covered, of course, unlike the
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fifteen percent reduction in youth crime by One News. But
of course, those terrible, terrible winters. I must say, I
don't think I wasn't there to experience it directly, but
some of the footage and the stuff that I saw
even just on the on the app that I used
to look at weather and winds and stuff was extreme, unbelievable.
Speaker 6 (22:54):
So I still can't get over that video of that
I think was a woman blowing out into the middle
of the street in Wellington. I watched that about ten
times and I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
At first.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
I didn't see the caption.
Speaker 6 (23:04):
As well, and I didn't realize it was a weather
related What is this woman doing?
Speaker 2 (23:08):
What is going on? But they're that strong? Can you imagine?
It was so close? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (23:14):
Is the other thing that actually is surprising me just
at this time of year because what end of October
is the graph that you see on the one News
weather with Dan the snow level again creeping. They're getting
snow lower parts of the country again down to one
thousand meters orthing?
Speaker 5 (23:30):
Is this because you're wearing a more blonde T shirt today?
Speaker 2 (23:33):
It's my Sunday T shirt?
Speaker 4 (23:36):
Until it fades out and people go, what'd you get
that from? I got it from France anyway, Right, let's
move on. Oh now, goodness me. The Louverra Lo louverra heist.
It is incredible, that story that literally they just rocked
up with one of those cranes you see them all
over Paris. Of course, on the back of a truck.
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That's how you know, three or four story apartments and
crank the ladder up and nobody stopped to think. I mean,
it's just brazen. People think we just must look like
we're official, even though we're wearing balat lavas.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
You know, your garden variety in New Zealand, burglar isn't
averse to putting on a Hiver's and wandering around because
people go, oh, hivers must be working.
Speaker 6 (24:17):
If you if you do it with confidence and conviction,
people won't question you. It is it's giving oceans eight,
isn't it though? Oceans eleven?
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Sorry? What one of those?
Speaker 5 (24:26):
This could be fourteen?
Speaker 4 (24:27):
It's not a not a good luck though.
Speaker 5 (24:31):
It's appalling. I mean, you know this is obviously massive
historical value and it's that that loss of history.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
Right.
Speaker 5 (24:38):
These are enormously precious items. What are they going to do?
Melt them down? I don't know, sell them for drugs?
I got no idea.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
I think I think they stolen to order. I mean,
would you.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Be and how? But how would you on sell that?
Speaker 5 (24:52):
Because it's it's like someone will take it as collateral
on a loan for drugs or whatever it seems to
be how this stuff works, or it just gets melted down,
which seems like such a shame.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
I think I love the there's an advert this is
a report and see and then you can go look
at it. That the company that makes those particular lift
slash cranes, it's called Burker's with an omlap b O
c k e R. They've got an instagram out there
and it says it's basically a photo of that crane
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at the louver in place saying ven's malve de schnell
gan moos, which means when things have to go quickly.
I mean, I think there's no such thing as bad
publicity for that crane.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
He worked for them.
Speaker 6 (25:42):
All the memes that come out though from something like
this just always make me chuckle a little bit. I
think there was a picture and it was of the
scene and there was a man walking past, very well
dressed man in some kind of three pieced vest situation
with a fedora, and someone was saying, gosh, I can't
wait for this dapper dressed young man to solve the mystery,
you know, to do that to come up from behind.
Speaker 5 (26:03):
It just saw that somewhere today. What's that about? Who's
this guy?
Speaker 1 (26:06):
I think he was?
Speaker 2 (26:08):
I think he was just.
Speaker 5 (26:09):
Just wandering by.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
He I thought he was just wondering on by it was.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
Who was he dressing?
Speaker 2 (26:16):
This is even more funny.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
Sort of waistcoat and very if you're going to be
if you're going to attract that sort of attention, you
better well bloody solve it, haven't you?
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Well?
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Do it?
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Dressed well? Can relate?
Speaker 4 (26:32):
Speaking of vandalism, Speaking vandalism, I don't get too excited
about it. But the but the images about vandalism, No,
I don't get too excited about this particular thing. I'm
about to mention. Yeah, okay, just in the middle of
my sentence, and you'll have to work on that.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
We're just so keen to hear what you've got.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
Just I was going to ask you first, Pete, what
you make of the before and after photos of what
they've done with the white at the White House demolished.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
I mean, again, it just beggars belief, doesn't it.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
It's quite dramatic.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
It's just staggering, especially the blatant lying, and you can
only describe it as that Oh, we might have to
touch a little bit of it, but it will generally
be okay, and the whole thing's gone. Yeah, the entire
whist wing now is gone.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
Which is something. But I think the thing they're going
to put up, I mean, I just sort of think,
oh God, what's going to because he loves gold, doesn't
he Trump doesn't the guilt.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Tacky gold, sort of like Versailles level.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
Yeah, he leans actually leans in that direction. Anyway. Have
you seen the images of the before and after?
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Yeah, it is. It is rather dramatic.
Speaker 6 (27:47):
And I don't know how you get away with demolishing
that much without a proper sign.
Speaker 5 (27:52):
Of lockdown because you've sent all the government workers hard.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
True, when no one's watching, we're all having to social distance.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
It will be quite some ballroom anyway.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
It better be Versailles level. Marie Antoinette.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
Yeah, I can't. I'm searching for adjectives, but I'll save
them till we go to the break anyway. But I
do feel getting back to the Louver though. I just
think it's just so tragic when I mean, I know
it's not something that affects our daily lives or anything,
but I just hate the idea of these antiquities disappearing anyway.
We'll be back in just a moment. We're with a
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Willelmina Shrimpton and Pete wolf Camp. This is the panel
News Talk said b it is?
Speaker 5 (28:33):
What is it?
Speaker 4 (28:34):
Twenty two minutes to four. Yes, and welcome back my panelists,
Wilhelmina Shrimpton and Pete wolf Camp, soon to be Wilhelmina O'Keefe.
We're going to take it take a while again, could
get used to it. It could take me a while
because Willelmina Shrimpton is quite an iconic sort of name,
so't as iconic. It will become iconic. Yes, I'm sure
(28:54):
you will. Now this is a curious story. In the
proposed high school curriculum, home economics would cease to be
a standalone subject and instead be taught within So look
at home economics. It's now the teaching of food and
nutrition has been taught in New Zealand since nineteen eleven,
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and it's going to be removed as a standalone subject.
It's an interesting one, isn't it. You didn't do homemade.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
I so confused by this.
Speaker 6 (29:23):
I read this and thought, I don't remember there ever
been an offering of home economics at my high school.
I remember doing a cooking class subject at intermediate because
I remember we had a cake baking challenge and I
will never forget My.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Cake was awful. It was so bad.
Speaker 6 (29:40):
So I'll never forget that cool memory. But I don't
remember this in high school. I remember health classes, but
I don't remember being towards nutrition or baking or anything
like that. But I guess it was absorbed within the
health and physical education PEACE.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
But yeah, I'm confused.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
Food and nutrition. I mean, I think you know that
the school's teaching the basics of literacy and maths and
all that it's important. What do you think of that, Pete.
I mean, it's still going to be something in there.
Speaker 5 (30:12):
It's something that's come to the end of the road
in the sense that if you're doing it to instruct
young people about how to live their lives and how
to enter into adulthood, so you want to give them
some sort of foundational stuff around food and so on.
You know, anyone that's really interested in it's already doing
food tech right now. Do lots of hospitality and food
related subjects. You can do academic pe if you're really
(30:36):
into the health side of it, and then within health
in general you can pick up some of those life
skills as well.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
And let's be honest, probably there was a time in
home economics. I don't want to use this cliche, but
it was a sort of reinforcement agender stereotypes that all
the girls would be doing home ak and the guys
would be off doing woodwork and metalwork or something.
Speaker 6 (30:53):
Or I mean, it's far more useful as actual economics
and learning how to do taxes, and I know that's
going to be implemented down the track, But how I
would have loved to have learned that at school.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
My parents didn't really teach me about accounting.
Speaker 6 (31:07):
They were all on a payroll, you know, someone else
did that for them, and I would have loved school.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
Actually, I do think it's really important for kids to
understand the value of good nutrition because of the outcome
for people long term. And actually I didn't have a
clue about nutrition. I just ate what Mum put on
the table, basically, and I like bacon eggs and never
gave it a second thought until I was at my
first year at university and I discovered that the cafe
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did sausages chips and gravy, and I had a sense
I shouldn't do it. Every day I walked past and
I'd be like, it was about two dollars twelve or
something and for two sausages, and I knew I shouldn't
do it. But if I'd known a bit more about nutrition,
I definitely wouldn't.
Speaker 6 (31:53):
Have gravy and chips though. Man that kicks tomatoes the curb.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
Oh sausages, gravy and chips, Oh my god, it was
so gravy.
Speaker 5 (32:06):
A discussion with the teacher about it the other day.
Getting rid of art history. I don't get that because
this is part of the same idea. So removing art
history from the curriculum, that's nonsense.
Speaker 6 (32:17):
I would love to see a focus around entrepreneurship in schools.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
I know that sounds of it like left field and
a bit of a well.
Speaker 6 (32:26):
I think there there are foundations and basics that you
can probably teach someone about starting a business, running a business.
Speaker 5 (32:33):
You can do business studies at school.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
Yeah, but the art history, now that that's been got
rid off as well.
Speaker 5 (32:40):
It's a proposal. I really hope it doesn't happen. I
just don't see why you would give that up right, Like,
is it taking up that much time in the curriculum
and impacting people's lives to such a degree that you
want to remove it from the curriculum.
Speaker 6 (32:54):
Well, if it's a choice subject, right, so you choose
whether you take it or not. If it's not, as
long as it's not a compulsory.
Speaker 5 (33:02):
You've my understanding that's an optional it's they're going to
remove it.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
You're going to remove it.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
It seems to lead to remove an optional subject.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
I think, yeah, it's going to be something well, I
guess it'll be incorporated in something else in the visual arts,
but it's yeah, I do. It's that fine line between
you know, you want people to get the basic you know,
strong literacy, as I say, maths and all that sort
of thing. But I don't want to see our schools
and the optional subjects reduced to something that must have
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a really strong business sort of core to it or
otherwise it has no value. Then, you know, I feel
that a little bit at play with the acting of
the art history.
Speaker 6 (33:42):
Each individual school picks which subjects they deliver as well. Right,
so you can have this on a list on the curriculum,
and then you've got to go through the process of
each individual school, because I know they was talking about
the the.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
AI focused classes within the.
Speaker 6 (33:57):
New Zealand curriculum being introduced, and I was dealing with
some senior execs from an Auckland bas school and they
just said, look, we know that's a big, fresh new subject,
but it's probably not something that we're going to offer.
So you've got to pack the curriculum subjects and then
the school dwindles that down as well, so you've got
two layers of packing what's available too.
Speaker 5 (34:17):
Yeah, so there is curriculum subjects that are available as
in this you can have as part of NCAA, and
then schools. Obviously some schools won't offer all of those
curriculum subjects and I'm aware of that at the college
that I'm involved with. But at the same time, you know,
your comment about schools having a focus on the three
hours and at that sort of thing, some of that
(34:39):
is actually the attitude of the individual schools, because you know,
you look at high schools, there's quite a wide variance
in terms of what they make compulsory and for how long.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
Yeah, do you remember what you do? You remember the
choices you had to make at school and how you chose?
Did you really have any idea? Just when I do that,
I'll do X, Y and Z and did you do?
And did you do?
Speaker 5 (35:00):
Wouldwork wasn't available? I could do woodwork and Form one
and Form two back in the day, and that was it.
There was no options for that at high school where
I went at that time.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
What about you, Willemina.
Speaker 6 (35:10):
There was a time when I wanted to be a doctor,
and so I took all the sciences. But I was
also a bit of a thespian as well, So I
took all the sciences, and I loved drama, and I
took media studies, since that's probably why I'm here today.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
Well, I mean, logic would dictate that you'd be the
star of the next greatest Anatomy or something. Do you
know I was Anatomy?
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Do you know? I was obsessted with that show when
I was when I was at UNI.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
But well, I mean, it's it's got to be a
staple of TV viewing, is that there's got to be
a good legal and a good medical drama and maybe
a good political one.
Speaker 6 (35:39):
Do you know Boston Legal was really good?
Speaker 4 (35:43):
How long ago was that? Because it was appointment viewing
James Spader and the guy from Star Trek. Yeah, I've
met William There we go, We got there in the air, Boston, Boston.
That was a good one, brilliant show. It's actually just
(36:03):
popped up on my feet Netflix.
Speaker 5 (36:05):
I wonder if it's there might be time around.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
There, it might be time to start doing a bit of.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
That.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
And Back to the Future popped up as well, and
I was thinking I started watching it, I thought, gosh,
this is a fun movie. Might anyway, this has got
nothing to do with what we're supposed to be talking about.
So we're gonna have a quick cup of tea, a
lie down and we'll be back. And that sounds dodgy.
Were back in just a short while. It is ten
to four. Yes, welcome back to the panel. Wilhelmina Shrimpton
and Pete wolf Camp my guests, Lucky last Ah. It's
(36:37):
worth checking the story out just because of the photo
of the possum on the and the story and they
are so unattractive. But Greater Wellington Council wants to people
to stop adopting possums as pets. They've become aware of
a small number of people taking possums into their homes
and attempting to domesticate them. I mean seriously, Well, I
(36:59):
would have thought anywhere, but I'm surprised it's Wellington. I
would have thought there'd be big on going down to
their local SPCA and getting an unwonted.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Pet, little kitten, something cute that doesn't look like.
Speaker 4 (37:11):
It's melting, that's been micro chipped and checked out for
worms and all that sort of stuff, as opposed to, oh,
look a cute little possum, you know, rescuing rogue kill.
Speaker 6 (37:20):
As you know, I keep asking you to pass that
article over because that picture of that possum just looks ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
It looks like he's melting and it's giving.
Speaker 6 (37:28):
There's a page that I follow on on Instagram called
bad Taxidermy, and it just it's just this plethora of
images of really bad taxidermy. You know, it matches the
name on the tin and the I don't know, it's
just just nothing cute or appealing about a possum at all.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
And they has it he as well, Oh awful, just
aggressive and nasty.
Speaker 4 (37:50):
Well I had it. I had a caller the other
night was talking about, Oh, we're talking about the Westmere
Butchery winning sausages this year. For I should mention it's
beef parmesan a truffer, right, yeah, okay, so it's nothing
to do with possums. But he was talking about how
he made his own sausages out of possum, and I
just one. I was like, because he has his own
minsa at home, turn the handle on the counters sort
(38:11):
of thing mixed at him with a bit of I think.
He said he put a bit of gorse in there
as well, and some other cup and but of garlic,
and he said it was really really delicious. But he
said it was much tastier than hedgehog. And I'm like, gosh,
I'm not sure. I said, make sure if we ever
meet you, never invite you around for dinner. But have
you eaten possum?
Speaker 5 (38:31):
No? No, no, thanks.
Speaker 4 (38:33):
What's the weirdest thing you've eaten? Pete pok oh nice,
nice and tender.
Speaker 5 (38:39):
No, with respect to the person that spent a lot
of time cooking it, it didn't make much.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
It's such a beautiful bird, it doesn't taste very good.
Speaker 5 (38:48):
Until they were eating the little baby dumplings.
Speaker 4 (38:51):
Yeah, they're not. They're not particularly nice birds either. They've
got some great colors, like the taka here.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
But I've had cricket flower to tears before, so it's
the ground up crickets. It was actually quite tasty and.
Speaker 4 (39:03):
Nutty, nutty. I keep thinking they'd be nutty for some reason.
Speaker 5 (39:06):
Maybe the energy content to the food is enormous or something.
Isn't there some sort of thing about no wonder?
Speaker 2 (39:13):
I was that night.
Speaker 5 (39:14):
If we all start eating crickets, there will be a
bit of place.
Speaker 4 (39:17):
I think I've told this before. I had wild boar once,
roast wild boar, and it was pretty old and gamey,
and I thought, well, I'll swamp it with the gravy
so that doesn't taste so bad. But the gravy being
made with wild boar fat. And when my friend's mum
noticed me really struggling, she said, would you like me
to just fry your a steak? And I was almost
in tears when I said, yes, good things. I was
(39:37):
yearning for the sausages, chips and gravy. But anyway, Hey,
Wilhelmina Shrimpton soon to be Wilhelmina O'Keefe and Pete wolf Camp,
thanks very much.
Speaker 5 (39:49):
I'll stay with people say.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
With when's the winning decemb thirteenth? Is it somewhere Flash
down at Aburn and at.
Speaker 4 (39:57):
Okay, so we've got how Flash you were fabulous. I
can't wait to see the day of your life. I'm
sensing myself. I'm saying some very naughty and mischievous things.
So you know what we're gonna do. We're just gonna
move on and we'll be back with the One Roof
Radio Show, which is next News Talk Set B.
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and we're actually we're going to take a chat about
how much should you actually borrow? Because many people will
tell you the story about when the bank told them
how much they could borrow, and they're like, oh my god,
but how much should you borrow? And how should you
(01:28):
work it out for yourself rather than just say, well,
the bank says we can borrow a million, let's do that.
So that's at four o'clock for the one Roof radio
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sake of the kids, otherwise phrased as if you're splitting up,
(01:48):
should you have made more effort to stay together? Or
should you have actually split up a long time ago?
So we're going to dig into those big questions on
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Sports wrapped shortly before six with Nathan Limb looking forward
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came in resplendent in the full Auckland f C uniform
(02:09):
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even but yeah, that's it's all happening, so we'll be
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Speaker 1 (02:22):
Insightful, entertaining and always a point. Tim Beveridge on the
Weekend Collective News Talks, I'd.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
Be yes and introducing my panelists who I was gonna
call them, but so they're both w's really but here
he is. It's Pete wolf Camp, the Wolf, the resident Builder,
all round good guy, surprisingly opinionated as well. Pete wolf Camp, Llo,
how are you greeting?
Speaker 5 (02:44):
It's nice to see you, he will, Yeah, very well,
you've been well.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
And another thing, you've been water blasting today.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
And doesn't that make everybody happy? Like you can do?
Speaker 1 (02:53):
No?
Speaker 5 (02:53):
Seriously, does anyone ever do water blasting and then go gee,
I wish I hadn't done that.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Only if they get too close to the asphalt, timber
or yes to anything. So yes, always to be done
at a certain distance and pressure correctly.
Speaker 5 (03:06):
It's restraint.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Yeah, and if you've got any questions about that, you
can call them on the Resident Builder. At what time
is that?
Speaker 5 (03:11):
Let's start at six?
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Okay? God, yes, what do you get what time you
get up about quarter to six. Anyway, enjoining me, she
has come today resplendent. I think she's dressed as of
vanilla smoothie because she is so well color coordinated. There
was not going to be she's she's wearing a sort
of lovely sort of creamy vanilla sort of thing with
(03:34):
a slightly she's like a butterscotch sort of smoothie peraps
because there's a bit of a butterscotch flavor to the
to the what's that thing you've got on top of
yashi beverage? And that's the last time. I think we're
going to know her as Wilhelmina Shrimpton, because yes, I.
Speaker 6 (03:55):
Was so she came to that realization when I came in,
I thought this might be my last paddle before our
wedding in December. On December thirteenth. Then I'm going to
change my surname on air as well.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
O'Keefe.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
When you said you were going to change your name
on air, I thought you were going to make the
announcement on it, which.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Yeah, well that's true. There we go.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Actually, that's well, I like the I like the rhythm
of Wilhelmine or o'keef, Thank you, Wilhelmina Shrimpton's got a
lot of consonants in it, and it's but it's distinctive.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
It's a lot, it's a lot.
Speaker 6 (04:25):
But you know, if you want to shorten Willowmina Okaife,
it's wock because Ben O'Keefe is boxed. So we're walking back,
walking back, I feel like to start a range of
surfriy sauces or something.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
The walk and brock steriarchy, you know, stir fry.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Yeah, what made you decide to change the name.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Because haven't we talked about this?
Speaker 4 (04:46):
She's that we have Indeed, she is very much love.
In fact, we're just chatting with Ben before. Who's who's
in Japan? I think he is? And he was bragging
this off to an oasis.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
He managed to snag himself a last minute isis ticket
that doesn't cast the world three hundred bucks he got. Yeah,
how good?
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Yeah, he sort of sid asked. He mention it to
me to ask from jealous. I was like, not really
to musical theater anyway, Hey, welcome to the show, guys.
I thought that we would start with a nice positive
news story today for the politics, and it's it's got
a positive thing and it's got a negative thing, which
I'll bring on in a moment. But so the government,
(05:24):
in fact, it almost you almost want when you read
these headlines, you see some good news and you go,
are my eyes deceiving me? Because normally political news is
all bad and strikes and all that. But the government
has already achieved its goal of a fifteen percent reduction
in serious and persistent youth offenders four years early. I mean,
(05:44):
so it does just what can I believe my ears?
But anyway, so Children's Minister Karen Shaw says it's partially
down to young people believing they can't they can't avoid
accountability for their actions. But a nice positive headline peak
do you reckon?
Speaker 5 (05:59):
And I did hear Hosking talking with Karen Schure about
this in the sense that did you just set a
really really low target and therefore achieving it seemingly four
years early is easy? It doesn't. Well, the claim, of
course is no we didn't. But you know it cast
your mind back what eighteen months, two years ago you
couldn't wake up on a Sunday morning without hearing about
(06:20):
a RAM raid. Now they are somewhat diminished these days,
so something has changed.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
Yeah, well I may, yeah.
Speaker 6 (06:26):
One hundred percent. I first heard it and thought, what's
the catch? And I mean, like you said, that was
what Hoskin's first question was, was are we sure about this?
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Is there some little blip in the data, But it's great.
Speaker 6 (06:39):
I mean how often did they actually achieve a target
on time, let alone early? And I remember I did
like a big deep dive on ram Raiders about three
years ago and interviewed a couple of ram raiders. One
was thirteen, one was fifteen, and both of them had said,
I'm not afraid of police.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
I don't. It's not something that jars me when I
see them.
Speaker 6 (07:02):
We're afraid of the dogs because they're afraid about getting
mauled by the dogs, and they're afraid of prison, but
they're not afraid of police. And obviously, thinking that far
ahead to being put into a youth justice facility, that's
quite far out, but the immediate threat of police and
seeing frontline offices just wasn't something that they were jarred by.
So that's interesting to hear, and I wonder if that's
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the case.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Well, here's the thing, and here's the negative thing coming in.
Is I looked for the story in other media outlets
and I thought, oh, well, one news will have covered it.
And one News a year ago talked about how the
government was at risk of missing one of its two
of its public service targets for violent crime and student achievement,
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and so it was mentioning how it was about that
goal that the government had and how it was at
risk of missing it. And here we have the good
news of the government actually reaching its target, and it's
nowhere to be seen. And I wonder, is it because
one News don't like any positive stories about the government,
because I'm starting to feel it that way. Did it
I don't know, because why do we not hear about
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it and some of the other major news outlets.
Speaker 6 (08:08):
As a journalist, I think if you cover something from
the get go, you should cover any follow up that
comes through. I can't sit here and say I know
what their news day look like, I know what their
resources look like. But I feel like, as a journalist,
having worked on six o'clock for a number of years,
if I followed something from the beginning and did something
or revealed various data, I feel like I have a
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moral obligation to cover something that was a follow up
or an update on that.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Yeah. And actually the reason it's because I suddenly thought
maybe we just conditioned, even with the storylet this, we
conditioned to not expecting good news because we just get
the fed this diet of negativity, and I don't know,
it makes me very cynical about, you know, whether how
broad a picture we're getting of New Zealand news stories sometimes.
But anyway, it was on news talks, he'd be so
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maybe that's.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
All I was going to go. I'm going to say it.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
I was going to about it. But anyway, I'll move on.
I'll build a bridge and I'll build it.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
That wasn't big.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
No, No, I'll build a bridge and and move on.
But anyway, good news there. Hey, look, okay, I'm not
sure what to make of this. So Mahama Davidson of
the Greens has apologized after missing a member's bill speaking slot.
So she had this bill ac called the Right to
Repair Bill, which would have required manufacturers to repair rather
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than simply replace products. It was likely to have been
voted down, but she basically missed being in the chamber
to present the bill, so that the bill was dead
on arrival, which seems like a fundamental balls up on
her part, But on the other side it seems that
she wasn't that late. But it's like sorry, times up,
move on? What do you reckon? Willhelmina.
Speaker 6 (09:45):
It's so tricky, right because if it really is twenty seconds.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
That's a bit harsh.
Speaker 6 (09:50):
But there are rules for a reason, and I know
there have been a lot of chat about that in
Parliament at the moment, about rules being broken and when
you know, parliamentary remembers needing to stick to those rules.
And I just feel like as soon as you're lenient
for someone the first time you set the president for
been lenient further down the track and you have to
just draw a line in the sand. You can't keep
pushing the line out. But twenty seconds is a bit harsh.
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And also, if you knew you were going to speak,
wouldn't you be there twenty minutes half an hour early.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
It's like turning up for a job interview. You get
there just on time.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Like I know, especially if you've got your bill which
has been drawn out of the biscuit tin and there
are lots of bills people want to present. It's your baby,
why would you not be But it is interesting just
to read. How I mean, she should have been there
full stop, right, but Parliament TV showed that she wasn't
in A speaker in his seat sorry. When Assistant Speaker
more I in Peugh called on the next door of business,
there was a pause. National MP Tom Rather to jump
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to his feet, says I was expecting the Member in
charge of the legislation to stand up and take the
first call on this bill, but she hasn't turned up.
Then the camera would return to a wide shot of
the chamber with Davidson there attempting to speak, but Pew
said the moment to speak had passed.
Speaker 5 (10:59):
Politics from Davidson, isn't it. You know, you spot the gap,
you exploit the gap and go, but you're not here.
I'm going to jump up right now, and then the
Speaker is going to have to overrule me and tell
me that, oh, well they deserve another chance or something
like that. So it's a fantastic piece of politics. To
be fair, I'm actually a little bit disappointed that that
bill didn't get through. I think the Right to Repair
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would have been a really good piece of legislation.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
Although yeah, it's an interesting one. I don't think it
would have passed because talking about the substance of it,
because there are some goods which are produced and the
reason that we can buy cheap appliances is probably because
they're not required to have to repair them. I don't know,
but I'm not sure, but I imagine there are things that
are easier to manufacture mass market because from scratch, yeah,
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fair enough, from scratch. Did I say scratch? Then did
I do it now? My fat? But I imagine that
the high high volume manufacturing means that it probably is
cheaper to just give them a new one rather than
have to get someone to open it up and go
and the old one go.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
Well, that's the point, yeah, exactly, So it goes to landfill, right,
and it just contributes.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
I must have I do what I do think about
the landfill because we've got a few things we had
missed the inorganic collection, right, went bang on about it,
so sure I'd finished filled out the form properly, and
the council said, we've don't have any record of it.
But I was thinking, it does seem a shame when
you think, I mean clothing and stuff as well.
Speaker 6 (12:26):
Mount fashion industry, the amount of clothes that go to landfill.
I do think about it too. It sounds like a
funny thing to say. I often think about the landfill.
But where does it all go? You know, It's just
just it's so there's so much, there's so much wastage.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
I don't think you need to worry about your outfits
going into landfill, because I think that they will end
up in your own museum. The will and a mean
of Shrimpton.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Mortalized Forever Athletic Game, Caramel vanilla shrine. No caramel?
Speaker 4 (12:56):
Did you say caramel?
Speaker 7 (12:57):
Did you say cats heard camel or something? Oh my god, caramel.
My hair is going anyway. But you could have your
own music. I don't think i've ever seen you tune
up without a distinctive alamode fashion.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Look about you?
Speaker 6 (13:12):
You ask?
Speaker 2 (13:13):
You're still flattery today?
Speaker 4 (13:15):
I am something um anyway, Right, let's move on now.
I don't know how excited to get this about this,
but Auckland Transports got Athol the pothole promotion, and they've
basically said, I, if you report your pothole, they're undertaking
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to get someone out to fill it and make it
safe within twenty four hours if it's on a busy
main roadway. For all other sealed roads, a little bit roads,
it'll be five days. I quite like the fact that
they've said a target for themselves, don't.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
You think it's great? Absolutely? Maybe they've gone out and
bought one of those big pothole machines you see those.
They've got like a hydraulic arm out the front that
comes up, parks itself in front of the pothole, makes
a really neat little square with one part of the machine.
Then another attachment comes out vacuums up all of that
material and then on board is the ashhelt for the
replacement as well, and a compactor job. Don't drive on
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to the next job.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
I love it. Where have you seen these in the UK?
Speaker 5 (14:18):
But I think someone in New Zealand's bought one. I'm
pretty sure.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
That actually wouldn't be a bad business, would it, just
to buy one of those machines and rock up to
talk and transport and say you want your man or woman. Indeed,
actually I do have a question just for you guys,
and it's based on having a chat with a friend
of mine who was talking about there's a new pedestrian
crossing which they've shoved in the middle of down in
Koe and it literally took them. It's a pedestrian crossing
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on a non busy road, and they literally closed that
part of the road down for a couple of weeks
to stick in a pedestrian crossing, because of course they
all get raised. They're all a raised pedestrian crossing. I
just wonder, one, how does it take two weeks? But two?
Whatever happened to just painting a bit estrian crossing on
a road and moving on? Do we all have do
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they all have to be raised? Pete?
Speaker 5 (15:12):
Because it just seems no. I'm genuinely conflicted here because
they've been doing the same thing where I live right.
So at one stage they came through Devenport and they
had this proposal to put in like six raised crossings
from the roundabout at the end of Lake Road to
the bottom of the village basically, and there was a
fair amount of local discussion about it, and they put
them in as traffic charming. I've never seen people more upset,
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but anyway, and they ended up putting in I'm just
trying to think one, two, three, four, maybe four or
five of them, you know, to reduce the traffic to
thirty kilometers an hour through the village, and I'm like,
that's aspirational getting to thirty kilometers an hour. So I
don't know. I mean it does feel safer from a
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pedestrian point of view. I think if you step off
the curb and onto a raised crossing, it does feel
like you are more likely not I was going to say,
more likely to be seen. I think it just it
does set up an expectation for drivers to slow down,
whereas a lot of drivers will just ignore pedestrian crossings
painted on the road.
Speaker 6 (16:13):
And even when there's no pedestrians there, it's it acts
as a speed bump right just along that wider stretch
of roads, so I suppose it's doubling.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
Well, apparently this for us is a raised one, which
is actually in an intersection where you're slowing down anyway,
So you sort of wonder what the point is.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
Annoy those ones annoy me that are like smack, being
in the middle of an intersection, yeah, and.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
A tea intersection and you're trying to yeah anyway, isn't it?
But it just it just makes you feel like it
just takes forever to get anything done. It's because while
everything's sort of over the comment, I could be it,
don't tell me how, No, somewhere.
Speaker 5 (16:48):
Between two hundred and fifteen and three hundred grand each.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
I actually would have thought it'd be much more than that. Really,
I thought, for some reason, two hundred and thirty thousand bucks.
We got a quote for retail for resealing our driveway
for about twenty odd grand for asphalt, and it's thirty
meters with a speed no speed hump, so you see
there's the speed hump.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
Yeah, we'll take speed hump.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
So need to save this other couple hundred grand.
Speaker 6 (17:11):
Yeah, on the on the potholes, though, I would have
thought that within twenty four hours. If it's in a
main thoroughf you're in a maze road that they're talking
about like this is reinventing the world.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
This is this huge, big deal. It's wow, we're going
to do it in twenty four hours. You'd think that
they'd respond pretty quickly.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (17:26):
Anyway, if it is a main road, so I don't know,
it's just yeah, are they making a song and dance
about swimming that should be happening already.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
Possibly. I just had to mention it and get it
off my chest, because you know it. Auck can transport
huge fans of the show's twenty four past three news
talk z B. Yes, welcome back to the show. Wilhelmina
Shrimpton and Pete wolf Camp I panelists today and now guys,
just looking back on the week that was the mega
strike with the thousands walking for the job, I've got
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to say it was sort of overshadowed a little bit
by the horrendous weather that much of a New Zealand
experience with those wins. When should I say wi INDs, Willhelmina,
what do you reckon about? Where you can come in
on the winds if you like. But the strike with
thousands walking off the job, do you think it was
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a bit of a job in the government or do
you think it was something where good on your for
striking or is there some middle ground there?
Speaker 2 (18:23):
I feel like I feel a bit middle ground about it.
Speaker 6 (18:25):
I know that these are key roles and they're really
important roles within our society, you know, people teaching our
future generations. These are people who are in our healthcare
system and they should be getting the pay and the
resources that they need. But I feel like it's such
an ongoing thing and it's getting to a really pointy end.
Of the year, particularly from the education side of things.
I couldn't help but think of a lot of the
students who are going into exams. It's really really tough
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on them, and they need their teachers there to prepare
for those exams. You know, they've just come out of
a period of COVID where they're trying to get their
heads back in the game and around the curriculum, and
then to have all these days off over and over again,
that's really really tough. I also think it's when you
compare it to pay rises within the private sector. I
think some of the deals that have been offered are
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not that bad in comparison to private sector workers. So
I think it's a bit of a balancing act. And
I think as long as it's the true intent is
about the fact that we need more resources to do
our job.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
It's not just about money. And I know that they
say that it's about resources to do their job, but
cost of living is biding.
Speaker 6 (19:26):
I know it's also there's a high level of importance
put on the monetary value as well.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
I think the point you make about the private sector,
I mean people within the private sector being told for
a long time there's not much money. Because times are tough,
it seems that the public sector side of things are
a little bit tone deaf to that side of things.
But what do you recompete?
Speaker 5 (19:43):
I'm a touch conflicted on it as well. You know,
I'm a board of trustees member right at a school,
So it was something that we discussed the other day.
And we've got a year thirteen student at home, right
So at this point the end of the year, for
those senior students going into exams, missing a day and
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then another day and another day of instruction at this
end of the year, I can't help but say it
feels a bit tone deaf in terms of saying, hey,
this is about better opportunities for the kids. But at
the same time, I recognize the right to strike, and
do I want to see teachers paid more? Yeah? Absolutely,
I do you know, on top of what has been
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fairly significant pay rises for teachers over the last few years,
is you know one scene or something like that just
part of where we're at right now.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
I got to say it's I don't feel that the
unions were really I think they are really dying to
strike and they weren't dying to negotiate. That's the impression
I got and the interview Chris Abercrombie last weekend and
it was went around the time where it was revealed
that the top item of the agenda they put and
was let's talk about Palestine. And asked me, I said,
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I do not care about Palestine kids being educated. I
was like, can I come and get real? This is
about a strike and about kids. You know, the teachers
at school. I stand to benefit. My wife's a teacher.
But so it's not like I'm speaking out the other
side of my mouth, you know.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
I mean, we're all invested in it.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
We are all invested in it, but I just can't
get I don't trust the unions to be dealing in
good faith. And I sort of understand why the public
service felt like they wanted to stick a stick the
odd social media message out there. To the massive budget
of a couple.
Speaker 6 (21:28):
Hundred bucks, there's just so many things to consider as well,
and I feel like when it comes to negotiating things
like this, it is about compromise.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
You know.
Speaker 6 (21:36):
I know that you can sit here and think about
the industry and isolation, but we've also got to look
at the bigger picture. And like you say, there's a
cost of living crisis at the moment, and the government's
trying to deal with a massive deficit, and GDP is
all fault. There's so many factors at play, and sometimes
you have to put aside. You're well, not put aside,
but compromise in your own head about what you need
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versus the entire population as well, and try and meet
and find a middle ground so that sides are happy.
And like I said before, private sector workers probably aren't
getting much.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
I'm always a little as suspicious when a strike it
proceeds a teacher only day which precedes labor Day, and
I would have got a text to the show saying
it's not a strike, it's a five day weekend. YEA
from there, I don't know. If I was a teacher,
maybe that's the way I'd plan it. Actually, I mean
it did sort of get overshadowed a bit in the news.
I mean I still got covered, of course, unlike the
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fifteen percent reduction in youth crime by One News. But
of course, those terrible, terrible winters. I must say, I
don't think I wasn't there to experience it directly, but
some of the footage and the stuff that I saw
even just on the on the app that I used
to look at weather and winds and stuff was extreme, unbelievable.
Speaker 6 (22:54):
So I still can't get over that video of that
I think was a woman blowing out into the middle
of the street in Wellington. I watched that about ten
times and I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
At first.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
I didn't see the caption.
Speaker 6 (23:04):
As well, and I didn't realize it was a weather
related What is this woman doing?
Speaker 2 (23:08):
What is going on? But they're that strong? Can you imagine?
It was so close? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (23:14):
Is the other thing that actually is surprising me just
at this time of year because what end of October
is the graph that you see on the one News
weather with Dan the snow level again creeping. They're getting
snow lower parts of the country again down to one
thousand meters orthing?
Speaker 5 (23:30):
Is this because you're wearing a more blonde T shirt today?
Speaker 2 (23:33):
It's my Sunday T shirt?
Speaker 4 (23:36):
Until it fades out and people go, what'd you get
that from? I got it from France anyway, Right, let's
move on. Oh now, goodness me. The Louverra Lo louverra heist.
It is incredible, that story that literally they just rocked
up with one of those cranes you see them all
over Paris. Of course, on the back of a truck.
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That's how you know, three or four story apartments and
crank the ladder up and nobody stopped to think. I mean,
it's just brazen. People think we just must look like
we're official, even though we're wearing balat lavas.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
You know, your garden variety in New Zealand, burglar isn't
averse to putting on a Hiver's and wandering around because
people go, oh, hivers must be working.
Speaker 6 (24:17):
If you if you do it with confidence and conviction,
people won't question you. It is it's giving oceans eight,
isn't it though? Oceans eleven?
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Sorry? What one of those?
Speaker 5 (24:26):
This could be fourteen?
Speaker 4 (24:27):
It's not a not a good luck though.
Speaker 5 (24:31):
It's appalling. I mean, you know this is obviously massive
historical value and it's that that loss of history.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
Right.
Speaker 5 (24:38):
These are enormously precious items. What are they going to do?
Melt them down? I don't know, sell them for drugs?
I got no idea.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
I think I think they stolen to order. I mean,
would you.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Be and how? But how would you on sell that?
Speaker 5 (24:52):
Because it's it's like someone will take it as collateral
on a loan for drugs or whatever it seems to
be how this stuff works, or it just gets melted down,
which seems like such a shame.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
I think I love the there's an advert this is
a report and see and then you can go look
at it. That the company that makes those particular lift
slash cranes, it's called Burker's with an omlap b O
c k e R. They've got an instagram out there
and it says it's basically a photo of that crane
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at the louver in place saying ven's malve de schnell
gan moos, which means when things have to go quickly.
I mean, I think there's no such thing as bad
publicity for that crane.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
He worked for them.
Speaker 6 (25:42):
All the memes that come out though from something like
this just always make me chuckle a little bit. I
think there was a picture and it was of the
scene and there was a man walking past, very well
dressed man in some kind of three pieced vest situation
with a fedora, and someone was saying, gosh, I can't
wait for this dapper dressed young man to solve the mystery,
you know, to do that to come up from behind.
Speaker 5 (26:03):
It just saw that somewhere today. What's that about? Who's
this guy?
Speaker 1 (26:06):
I think he was?
Speaker 2 (26:08):
I think he was just.
Speaker 5 (26:09):
Just wandering by.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
He I thought he was just wondering on by it was.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
Who was he dressing?
Speaker 2 (26:16):
This is even more funny.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
Sort of waistcoat and very if you're going to be
if you're going to attract that sort of attention, you
better well bloody solve it, haven't you?
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Well?
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Do it?
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Dressed well? Can relate?
Speaker 4 (26:32):
Speaking of vandalism, Speaking vandalism, I don't get too excited
about it. But the but the images about vandalism, No,
I don't get too excited about this particular thing. I'm
about to mention. Yeah, okay, just in the middle of
my sentence, and you'll have to work on that.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
We're just so keen to hear what you've got.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
Just I was going to ask you first, Pete, what
you make of the before and after photos of what
they've done with the white at the White House demolished.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
I mean, again, it just beggars belief, doesn't it.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
It's quite dramatic.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
It's just staggering, especially the blatant lying, and you can
only describe it as that Oh, we might have to
touch a little bit of it, but it will generally
be okay, and the whole thing's gone. Yeah, the entire
whist wing now is gone.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
Which is something. But I think the thing they're going
to put up, I mean, I just sort of think,
oh God, what's going to because he loves gold, doesn't
he Trump doesn't the guilt.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Tacky gold, sort of like Versailles level.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
Yeah, he leans actually leans in that direction. Anyway. Have
you seen the images of the before and after?
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Yeah, it is. It is rather dramatic.
Speaker 6 (27:47):
And I don't know how you get away with demolishing
that much without a proper sign.
Speaker 5 (27:52):
Of lockdown because you've sent all the government workers hard.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
True, when no one's watching, we're all having to social distance.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
It will be quite some ballroom anyway.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
It better be Versailles level. Marie Antoinette.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
Yeah, I can't. I'm searching for adjectives, but I'll save
them till we go to the break anyway. But I
do feel getting back to the Louver though. I just
think it's just so tragic when I mean, I know
it's not something that affects our daily lives or anything,
but I just hate the idea of these antiquities disappearing anyway.
We'll be back in just a moment. We're with a
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Willelmina Shrimpton and Pete wolf Camp. This is the panel
News Talk said b it is?
Speaker 5 (28:33):
What is it?
Speaker 4 (28:34):
Twenty two minutes to four. Yes, and welcome back my panelists,
Wilhelmina Shrimpton and Pete wolf Camp, soon to be Wilhelmina O'Keefe.
We're going to take it take a while again, could
get used to it. It could take me a while
because Willelmina Shrimpton is quite an iconic sort of name,
so't as iconic. It will become iconic. Yes, I'm sure
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you will. Now this is a curious story. In the
proposed high school curriculum, home economics would cease to be
a standalone subject and instead be taught within So look
at home economics. It's now the teaching of food and
nutrition has been taught in New Zealand since nineteen eleven,
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and it's going to be removed as a standalone subject.
It's an interesting one, isn't it. You didn't do homemade.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
I so confused by this.
Speaker 6 (29:23):
I read this and thought, I don't remember there ever
been an offering of home economics at my high school.
I remember doing a cooking class subject at intermediate because
I remember we had a cake baking challenge and I
will never forget My.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Cake was awful. It was so bad.
Speaker 6 (29:40):
So I'll never forget that cool memory. But I don't
remember this in high school. I remember health classes, but
I don't remember being towards nutrition or baking or anything
like that. But I guess it was absorbed within the
health and physical education PEACE.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
But yeah, I'm confused.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
Food and nutrition. I mean, I think you know that
the school's teaching the basics of literacy and maths and
all that it's important. What do you think of that, Pete.
I mean, it's still going to be something in there.
Speaker 5 (30:12):
It's something that's come to the end of the road
in the sense that if you're doing it to instruct
young people about how to live their lives and how
to enter into adulthood, so you want to give them
some sort of foundational stuff around food and so on.
You know, anyone that's really interested in it's already doing
food tech right now. Do lots of hospitality and food
related subjects. You can do academic pe if you're really
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into the health side of it, and then within health
in general you can pick up some of those life
skills as well.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
And let's be honest, probably there was a time in
home economics. I don't want to use this cliche, but
it was a sort of reinforcement agender stereotypes that all
the girls would be doing home ak and the guys
would be off doing woodwork and metalwork or something.
Speaker 6 (30:53):
Or I mean, it's far more useful as actual economics
and learning how to do taxes, and I know that's
going to be implemented down the track, But how I
would have loved to have learned that at school.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
My parents didn't really teach me about accounting.
Speaker 6 (31:07):
They were all on a payroll, you know, someone else
did that for them, and I would have loved school.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
Actually, I do think it's really important for kids to
understand the value of good nutrition because of the outcome
for people long term. And actually I didn't have a
clue about nutrition. I just ate what Mum put on
the table, basically, and I like bacon eggs and never
gave it a second thought until I was at my
first year at university and I discovered that the cafe
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did sausages chips and gravy, and I had a sense
I shouldn't do it. Every day I walked past and
I'd be like, it was about two dollars twelve or
something and for two sausages, and I knew I shouldn't
do it. But if I'd known a bit more about nutrition,
I definitely wouldn't.
Speaker 6 (31:53):
Have gravy and chips though. Man that kicks tomatoes the curb.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
Oh sausages, gravy and chips, Oh my god, it was
so gravy.
Speaker 5 (32:06):
A discussion with the teacher about it the other day.
Getting rid of art history. I don't get that because
this is part of the same idea. So removing art
history from the curriculum, that's nonsense.
Speaker 6 (32:17):
I would love to see a focus around entrepreneurship in schools.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
I know that sounds of it like left field and
a bit of a well.
Speaker 6 (32:26):
I think there there are foundations and basics that you
can probably teach someone about starting a business, running a business.
Speaker 5 (32:33):
You can do business studies at school.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
Yeah, but the art history, now that that's been got
rid off as well.
Speaker 5 (32:40):
It's a proposal. I really hope it doesn't happen. I
just don't see why you would give that up right, Like,
is it taking up that much time in the curriculum
and impacting people's lives to such a degree that you
want to remove it from the curriculum.
Speaker 6 (32:54):
Well, if it's a choice subject, right, so you choose
whether you take it or not. If it's not, as
long as it's not a compulsory.
Speaker 5 (33:02):
You've my understanding that's an optional it's they're going to
remove it.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
You're going to remove it.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
It seems to lead to remove an optional subject.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
I think, yeah, it's going to be something well, I
guess it'll be incorporated in something else in the visual arts,
but it's yeah, I do. It's that fine line between
you know, you want people to get the basic you know,
strong literacy, as I say, maths and all that sort
of thing. But I don't want to see our schools
and the optional subjects reduced to something that must have
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a really strong business sort of core to it or
otherwise it has no value. Then, you know, I feel
that a little bit at play with the acting of
the art history.
Speaker 6 (33:42):
Each individual school picks which subjects they deliver as well. Right,
so you can have this on a list on the curriculum,
and then you've got to go through the process of
each individual school, because I know they was talking about
the the.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
AI focused classes within the.
Speaker 6 (33:57):
New Zealand curriculum being introduced, and I was dealing with
some senior execs from an Auckland bas school and they
just said, look, we know that's a big, fresh new subject,
but it's probably not something that we're going to offer.
So you've got to pack the curriculum subjects and then
the school dwindles that down as well, so you've got
two layers of packing what's available too.
Speaker 5 (34:17):
Yeah, so there is curriculum subjects that are available as
in this you can have as part of NCAA, and
then schools. Obviously some schools won't offer all of those
curriculum subjects and I'm aware of that at the college
that I'm involved with. But at the same time, you know,
your comment about schools having a focus on the three
hours and at that sort of thing, some of that
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is actually the attitude of the individual schools, because you know,
you look at high schools, there's quite a wide variance
in terms of what they make compulsory and for how long.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
Yeah, do you remember what you do? You remember the
choices you had to make at school and how you chose?
Did you really have any idea? Just when I do that,
I'll do X, Y and Z and did you do?
And did you do?
Speaker 5 (35:00):
Wouldwork wasn't available? I could do woodwork and Form one
and Form two back in the day, and that was it.
There was no options for that at high school where
I went at that time.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
What about you, Willemina.
Speaker 6 (35:10):
There was a time when I wanted to be a doctor,
and so I took all the sciences. But I was
also a bit of a thespian as well, So I
took all the sciences, and I loved drama, and I
took media studies, since that's probably why I'm here today.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
Well, I mean, logic would dictate that you'd be the
star of the next greatest Anatomy or something. Do you
know I was Anatomy?
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Do you know? I was obsessted with that show when
I was when I was at UNI.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
But well, I mean, it's it's got to be a
staple of TV viewing, is that there's got to be
a good legal and a good medical drama and maybe
a good political one.
Speaker 6 (35:39):
Do you know Boston Legal was really good?
Speaker 4 (35:43):
How long ago was that? Because it was appointment viewing
James Spader and the guy from Star Trek. Yeah, I've
met William There we go, We got there in the air, Boston, Boston.
That was a good one, brilliant show. It's actually just
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popped up on my feet Netflix.
Speaker 5 (36:05):
I wonder if it's there might be time around.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
There, it might be time to start doing a bit of.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
That.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
And Back to the Future popped up as well, and
I was thinking I started watching it, I thought, gosh,
this is a fun movie. Might anyway, this has got
nothing to do with what we're supposed to be talking about.
So we're gonna have a quick cup of tea, a
lie down and we'll be back. And that sounds dodgy.
Were back in just a short while. It is ten
to four. Yes, welcome back to the panel. Wilhelmina Shrimpton
and Pete wolf Camp my guests, Lucky last Ah. It's
(36:37):
worth checking the story out just because of the photo
of the possum on the and the story and they
are so unattractive. But Greater Wellington Council wants to people
to stop adopting possums as pets. They've become aware of
a small number of people taking possums into their homes
and attempting to domesticate them. I mean seriously, Well, I
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would have thought anywhere, but I'm surprised it's Wellington. I
would have thought there'd be big on going down to
their local SPCA and getting an unwonted.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Pet, little kitten, something cute that doesn't look like.
Speaker 4 (37:11):
It's melting, that's been micro chipped and checked out for
worms and all that sort of stuff, as opposed to, oh,
look a cute little possum, you know, rescuing rogue kill.
Speaker 6 (37:20):
As you know, I keep asking you to pass that
article over because that picture of that possum just looks ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
It looks like he's melting and it's giving.
Speaker 6 (37:28):
There's a page that I follow on on Instagram called
bad Taxidermy, and it just it's just this plethora of
images of really bad taxidermy. You know, it matches the
name on the tin and the I don't know, it's
just just nothing cute or appealing about a possum at all.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
And they has it he as well, Oh awful, just
aggressive and nasty.
Speaker 4 (37:50):
Well I had it. I had a caller the other
night was talking about, Oh, we're talking about the Westmere
Butchery winning sausages this year. For I should mention it's
beef parmesan a truffer, right, yeah, okay, so it's nothing
to do with possums. But he was talking about how
he made his own sausages out of possum, and I
just one. I was like, because he has his own
minsa at home, turn the handle on the counters sort
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of thing mixed at him with a bit of I think.
He said he put a bit of gorse in there
as well, and some other cup and but of garlic,
and he said it was really really delicious. But he
said it was much tastier than hedgehog. And I'm like, gosh,
I'm not sure. I said, make sure if we ever
meet you, never invite you around for dinner. But have
you eaten possum?
Speaker 5 (38:31):
No? No, no, thanks.
Speaker 4 (38:33):
What's the weirdest thing you've eaten? Pete pok oh nice,
nice and tender.
Speaker 5 (38:39):
No, with respect to the person that spent a lot
of time cooking it, it didn't make much.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
It's such a beautiful bird, it doesn't taste very good.
Speaker 5 (38:48):
Until they were eating the little baby dumplings.
Speaker 4 (38:51):
Yeah, they're not. They're not particularly nice birds either. They've
got some great colors, like the taka here.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
But I've had cricket flower to tears before, so it's
the ground up crickets. It was actually quite tasty and.
Speaker 4 (39:03):
Nutty, nutty. I keep thinking they'd be nutty for some reason.
Speaker 5 (39:06):
Maybe the energy content to the food is enormous or something.
Isn't there some sort of thing about no wonder?
Speaker 2 (39:13):
I was that night.
Speaker 5 (39:14):
If we all start eating crickets, there will be a
bit of place.
Speaker 4 (39:17):
I think I've told this before. I had wild boar once,
roast wild boar, and it was pretty old and gamey,
and I thought, well, I'll swamp it with the gravy
so that doesn't taste so bad. But the gravy being
made with wild boar fat. And when my friend's mum
noticed me really struggling, she said, would you like me
to just fry your a steak? And I was almost
in tears when I said, yes, good things. I was
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yearning for the sausages, chips and gravy. But anyway, Hey,
Wilhelmina Shrimpton soon to be Wilhelmina O'Keefe and Pete wolf Camp,
thanks very much.
Speaker 5 (39:49):
I'll stay with people say.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
With when's the winning decemb thirteenth? Is it somewhere Flash
down at Aburn and at.
Speaker 4 (39:57):
Okay, so we've got how Flash you were fabulous. I
can't wait to see the day of your life. I'm
sensing myself. I'm saying some very naughty and mischievous things.
So you know what we're gonna do. We're just gonna
move on and we'll be back with the One Roof
Radio Show, which is next News Talk Set B.
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