November 7, 2025 • 41 mins
This week on The Panel, Tim Beveridge is joined by National Fieldays Society Chief Executive Richard Lindroos, and presenter Mark Crysell, to discuss the biggest stories from the week that was.
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Had a very good afternoon to you. I'm Tim Beverage.
Welcome to the Weekend Collective. The Saturday, the eighth of November.
Gosh times marching on. Before you know it, we'll be
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Coming up on today's show, as always, look at what
we just We go from one star panel to the
next star panel and I'll be introducing them shortly, but
looking a little further forward to when we take your
calls as well. On O eight one hundred and eighty
ten to eighty for the one Rufradio show where with
Brian Thompson, he's from Hardcourts and we're basically gonna have
a chat about all the uncertainty around the positions politically
on tax and all that sort of thing. Do you
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have to take it into account, what effect does it
have on the market or if you just buy now
and live for now and then see what happens in
the years to come, or does it actually have an
unsettling effect on the market. And after five to four
the parents squad, Sarah chat ones with us it's exact
excuse me pick up, it's exam time and how do
you help your kids deal with the stress of exams,
maybe whether it's their first exams ever or some really
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important exams which might spell, you know, spell out what
they can can or can't do in terms of their futures.
And for the sports wrapped shortly before sex, we with
Kobe Marati. He's going to be chatting to us about
we've got the All Blacks match coming up as well
as Auckland f C and Wellington Phoenix, which I'm much
even though I didn't watch it a lot, I followed
it quite closely and well, you know it's going to
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be a great derby, isn't it. Auckland fus as Wellington Phoenix.
So all that this is the weekend collective. It is
eight minutes past three.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Insightful, entertaining and always mold points of tim Beveridge on
the weekend Collective News talk s b.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Yes, and our panelists today are well, I don't know
which order to go in age before beauty, but I'm
not going to go age before beauty because all of
a sudden, I'm making a comment, So let's just go.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
So.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
He's a TV presenter and journalist and he is the
silver Fox of sort of TV reporting in a way.
I mean he's he's not so much that's enough. What
are you doing that podcast? Mark? Mark and Gentlemen of
the Elephants?
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Why is playing on the Herald with my very good
friend Midia mccommell. And it's doing really well. We talked
about some things that people don't want to talk about.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
As of course you talk about the elephant in the room.
You got it. You have come to the right place.
That's what this panel is all about, Hope. So and
he's actually a little in fact, he doesn't like me
to mention this, but he was quite the athlete back
in his day. I think he got paid to run
even but he's now he's the shosh I haven't introduced yet.
He's the CEO of New Zealand Field Days and Richard Lindrews,
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how are you going? Yes, you can push that button. No,
not that one, the red one.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Okay, here we go, great intro for Mark silver Fox.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Here is the Silver Fox. Look at them?
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Did you cycle in here today? Haven't we got something
else to talk about? Well, we're rather than my bike.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
We're going to sing your praises.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Well, I'll take it for as long as they're like,
but I'm nervous.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
But you did used to do a bit of athletics. Yeah,
we've all got past life.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
I mean, so have you. I mean some of the
topics today we might go down that path with a
bit of bit.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Higher performance, but high performance. I just love it because
I do know. I do know Richard personally through a
bunch of connections. But one day, because he doesn't like
to talk about the fact that he used to run
a bit and his auto went up while we're having
dinner once and came down with a huge sack of
his trophies and he was like, oh, put it away,
put them away, and you're famous.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Yeah, this is how key we used to do it
to him. You need to get used to it, you know,
you score the try put your head down.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Exactly. That's how you do it? Okay, hey, look just quickly,
did did you guys do the fireworks? No? No, no,
it actually passed me by. I forgot to leave.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
It was a little bit noisy, but I'm like, oh yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
My son asked, and then I gave him a reality
check of I spent too much on that garden. You're
not going anywhere near it. And his girlfriend lives in
Poka Goey. So that tells you. You know, real New
Zealand is a big no for fireworks.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
So yeah, it's changed because when I was growing up,
it was something that swept the neighborhoods. Everyone used. We
used to build a guy. Sometimes we'd have a bonfire
and thunderbolts and double happies. Tom Thumb's one of those
things that used to run along the pavement almost you
know the ones that have no no, no, they're fireworks, the
jumping jacks or something. What are they called? No, there's
(05:13):
a wheel? What was that? That wheel? Some of your
listeners will tee somebody will text me anyway anyway, Winston
wants to ban them. God it's sailor private fireworks. I
do think think that it has changed. It used to
be mainstream. Now it's a fringe.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Well we reading the room again.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
He's right, we don't.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
We don't have the right to bear firearms. I mean
it's I mean fireworks. We don't have that either. But
you know, I think it's a it's a it's it's past,
it's used by date. Why should we put these in
the hands of idiots Like I love a good proper
professional display. I think they're incredible, but someone with some
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doubled happies and some skyrockets in the backyard.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
So I was driving to work for my overnight about
just after eleven, and there's a car in front of
me driving along and the guy was shooting fireworks at
people out of his car window.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
You that's a good reason to it straight away.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Here's the thing. New Zealand First leader Winston Peter says
that the party's bill to ban the public sale would
be a bottom line in any future coalition a gramment
and now it never brings bottom lines and this is yeah,
but surely, I mean, this is not the hell to
die on in terms of bottom lines or does he
think it's an easy bottom line to get across?
Speaker 4 (06:28):
I'd have other bottom lines, you know, I mean, I
just think he's he's made a right call. I like it,
and I think my majority of New Zealanders would. So
let's just do it, Okay, sometimes.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Go one hundred percent. I don't know if the government's
behind it. It sounds like they sound less keen. But yeah, they.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Don't want to be killed joys. I guess so that, but.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
They're not the public displays New Year's Eve. Yeah, I
mean the good old days of John Banks in two
thousand and five having a barge in or Harbor two
thousand and five boom.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Actually, I'm real those ones. I always thought that's great.
I must have. I thought always thought the fireworks became
a waste of time when they got rid of the
the skyrockets, which really did go several hundred feet in
the air. Now these days you've got something that sort
of goes pop, and there's.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Too too much that can go wrong. There's there's too
many downside pets and animals.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Okay, we've decided, Winston, we're on your side. Make them
a bottom line and away you go. Now just onto
other sort of possibly anti social things. Where are you
guys at with? So that there was a Paul Goldsmith
was on with Heather talking about, you know, the whisper
about whether the government's going to ban rough sleepers. Wayne Brown,
I think has come out and going for goodness say
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absolutely banned them.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Front page of the Hero.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
It's quite a funny story because he talks about anti
social behavior, how he sat next to a guy and
the guy told him to f off and he went right.
I took that advice. But of course I think that
the subtext behind it as people think that they're just
going to be bundled off somewhere anywhere but the CBD.
They've got to have somewhere to go. But since the
police having power to move people on, I would say
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I support it. Mark.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Yeah, it's it's one of these ambulance at the bottom
of the cliff things, isn't it. I mean, it's a
demonstration of lots of other social ills that we haven't solved,
like housing, mental health, addiction, and they're all ending up
on the streets. But it can be very edgy in
parts of the city.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
They're having the discussion and rather than you know it,
you know, it is kicking the can down the road
if you take that approach, but hopefully it's not. You know,
there was some good commentary around this, Let's get a solution.
There's definitely anti social, unruly behavior, and I think Brown
was saying he doesn't have the license to sort that out.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Yeah, but where do they go? Exactly?
Speaker 3 (08:43):
I mean, this is the problem. You know, we put
them down like a refugee camp down and somewhere in
the paddock in South Auckland or something.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
I don't know. I'm sure sleeping in the doorways and
setting the bar particularly high either though, it doesn't no.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
No, but I mean I don't think I mean, there
may be some who are, but I don't think most
are there by choice. Yeah. And you know, I've spent
some time with a charity called Orange Sky that go
down and.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
You know, it's a tough it's not.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
An easy life. And there are more women living on
the streets now as well, and they're a danger and
as member of the public, at times you feel danger.
I know my daughter doesn't like being around it. So yeah,
it's a tough way A Brown doesn't. No, But that's
the thing. The idea of moving them on is all
very well, But where do they go?
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Yeah? I think that the political argument always I find
it sometimes can be a little dishonest on this because
it's always implying that, oh, the police are just going
to be rounding them up and shoving them in a
cage somewhere, And it's not about that. It's but it
is about they of course everyone would, except they've got
to have somewhere. You can't just bundle them out. I
don't know what the imagery people think in the back
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of their mind is, but they have to have somewhere
to go.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Yeah, I mean it's I mean, some of that surely
as classified as antisocial behavior, though if you're taking a
dump in a doorway or.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Well, you've got to cut to the chaser boys to
go around other level. Yeah, it's sort of I guess
it's define got to talk around this issue in any
sort of sort of family friendly way anyway, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
I Mean, I've seen, like I've literally seen over the
past couple of weeks, open aired drug deals going on
where people are buying and selling drugs and taking them
and that kind of thing is not not cool. I mean,
but you'll find that in any major city in the world.
I just don't want to see it here, but it's
popping up in places all over New Zealand like New
Plymouth where I grew up. They've got homelessness now on
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much bigger levels. Tod you know, Wellington, It's all over
New Zealand. It's not just Auckland.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
It is going to become more. I mean, this is
going to become a bigger issue the closer the CRL
gets to opening as well, because what we want to
see with the CRL as people, you know, getting on
the trains, getting around and invigorating the city. And I
think it's it's an uncomfortable topic, but we have to
do something about it. Richard, I agree, what what? Oh yeah,
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well that's why that's why I'm not in politics. Well
I'm not the only reason, to be honest, anyway, Speaking
of other sort of I'm not sure what to do
with that, you know, the to party Mari and the
dysfunction that we're seeing going on, and there are divisions
that are getting deeper and deeper. And the only interesting
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thing I thought that I noticed was when raw was
talking about a couple of rebels and all the sort
of things, as if they were sort of a rebel
force that didn't have support, and they said, well, but
of course it's a democracy. So if the rebels win,
it'll be because they've got more support than the other lot.
But it's not a great look for to party, Mari
is it Mark? At the moment they do seem to
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be the dysfunctional sort of child at It's a mess.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
But you know, let's be honest, every political party goes
through this at some stage or remember Jamie Lee Ross,
Remember David Cunliffe, remember Materia to write. You know that
every political party at some stage or other tears itself
apart because people come with different points of view.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Charloff's problem, I'm sorry, not even just was he the
one that just Cinder even and and Grant Robinson the ones.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Anyone?
Speaker 3 (12:18):
Yeah, So I think it's a it's a it's a
thing that happens. But I found it very interesting the
way the EE leaders came together this week to try
and sort it all out. And I heard I heard
at the head of Nazi k On Heather talking about it,
and the way he talked about it, how Mary and
these these these eis are very powerful economically, really don't
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want this government around it much longer, and they see
this as a distraction and they want them gone, and
so I found it very interesting that they tied the
party colors to one party, but it's actually a broader.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Well, Heather asked if if the Mara Caucus and Labor
were having these problems, would the EWE be intervening, and
he was like, he wasn't so sure if he wouldn't.
It's like, well, that looks like you're very close Lyn
to one political party.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
They do have an awful lot of support though, you know,
particularly you look at you know, they got all all
the Marty seats, They've got a lot of young Mary
have grown up in Kura and things like that, so
they're kind of behind what they believe. It may not
work with middle New Zealand, but for their little area
that's working.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
What do you reckon, Richard, Well, they're making neitblele New
Zealand look good.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Loving this.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
Yeah, well it's a mess mark set at. You know,
you've got a seasoned campaigner, John tim here on one side.
You know he's not his first rodeo and that's a
compliment John, if you're listening, and then you've got a
bit of naivety I think on the other side. And
so but you know, you don't put your dirty washing
out on the line, John sort out. But what I
like is the marriage counselor that's going on by the
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em Why well, marriage counseling. You know, the council will
blame you and then will blame the other party, and
soon both you realize it's the marriage counselor's it's not me,
it's you.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Actually, the thing is I wonder if I'm like many
of men in New Zealanders, who I mean it comes
on the news, I'm actually just not that interested because
I'm only interested when they've got there at sorted out
and if they've announced a policy that I think is
good or bad. As opposed to these maschinations, it is
just sort of political wrangling and such, you know proverbial out.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
Guys where we are paying them, Oh that's right, you
can remember that we are paying them.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
They seem much sure they're representing me, but they're representing
so you know, they just it's a disservice to the
electric they represent. That's my view.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Yeah, and they do literally represent electorates, and they're much
more like Honey hardaware is mana party than the old
Mariti party with you know, Pitch Sharps, who actually achieved
a lot, you know, from government in government with the
National Party, and I just can't see this party with
anything to bring to the table politically. It's it's so
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much activism. Performative is exactly right, it's a movement. Well, no,
it is performative.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
I've always described. I've described plenty of times. I think
Rari whit tit is more like a carnival barker than
a serious politician. It's all step right up, step right up.
Here's some theatrics, but no willingness at all to engage
seriously with a party that's in government where they can
make a difference.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
Leaders Forum of the comment was made they want to
see policy, and this is.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Well, this is exactly it.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
And if they want to be serious about making changes
that impact on people's lives, then they need to be start,
you know, performing in that area.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Good point, right, guess what I accidentally switched my mic off?
Then silence. Maybe I was subconsciously thinking of switching yours off,
But anyway, I guess what We're game? No never, never,
Mark never. We will be back in just a moment.
There's lots to talk about, of course, there was there's
been some interesting updates on the Nolling Taru think which
is and Netball and New Zealand're gonna have a chat about
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that in just a moment twenty two minutes past three
News Talks EDB, News Talk's ed B. This is the
Weekend Collective and my guests Sir Richard Lyn Drew's and
Mark Kreisel and guys, look the it's talking about entertainment,
I guess, but I'm not sure in a good way.
But the whole Netball New Zealand Nolan Tarua thing has
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been well, I think it's been quite hard to watch
in a way. But there was a story. There's been
finally a bit of journalism done by a couple of people,
Nathan Limb from New Zealand Herald and Danna Johansson from
the aren Z because Noelean Taru had sort of been
getting a fairly easy run, I think because she's named
no Lean saying I wasn't notified and all this sort
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of stuff. And it subsequently it has come out that
actually she did know why she had been stood down,
that there were problems in seven players had made themselves
unavailable for the silver fans. I mean it's I think
one of the biggest problems with this is the public
interest is totally at odds with a private employment dispute.
I'll go to you first, Richard.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
Yeah, a great. I mean it's a broken it's a
broken relationship.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
And somehow your as your micros just checking your volume there.
Now that's all right on.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
We're broken relations relationship here. I mean for me, I
mean the events that actually occurred might be the lesser crime.
The process has been significantly damaging and deep from Neple
New Zealand, but all the stakeholders. So you know, I
think you know it's a lack of effective leadership, whether
that's at a CE or Cheer level or is it
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Nolan as you're just intimating to by some of those
recent journalistic articles.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Well, the thing that came out, it's come out, is
that she wasn't stood down for the complaints and players
are made against her. It was that she didn't she
wasn't interested in changing any of the way they were
doing things. By the look of it, if I could
sum it up crudely, Mark, what's your take on it?
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Well before I go, and you feel is this a
safe space? Probably not, I'll say no, Mark, I find
it really interesting observing from the outside the way the
narrative took off that you know, it was basically these
players were soft and they needed to harden up, and
it was became almost like a generational thing. But when really,
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you know, you have to look at these sorts of
things seriously, with what happened with Olivia podmore with cycling
New Zealand, that these are people and you would understand this, Richard,
far better than I. But you know, these are people
under serious pressure to succeed and to win, and the
way they're driven and at the end they're human beings.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
At the middle of there were.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
The coaches and your friend. Yeah, I mean, if you
know high performance culture, you're really driven for success. But
I mean the issue is in sport now it is
employment law that governs you, you know, your employee.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
The thing Mark's touched on. The thing that I found
the most objectionable was I think some of the media
coverage of this one, the sycophantic coverage of Dame Noe
Lene as if she could do no wrong. Everyone just
assumed that Netball and New Zealand had to be wrong,
and then find eventually finally someone's done some journalism on this.
I mean interesting that one news was all over this
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with praise Noline and unquestioning, quoting former players, and finally
a story breaks on a couple of other news outlets
I e US and r n Z and last night
what was on TV one Crickets, nothing on it apps,
nothing at all. But here's the major beef I have
is what you mentioned about Olivia Podmore. So we've we
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had that tragedy that unfolded, and everyone was thinking, We've
got to look after our high performance people. It's an
intense environment. We have to look after people. And a
couple of breaths later and everyone in the media and
talk aback going, oh, these players are soft, telling are
harden up. It's like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Which part
of the Olivia Podmore thing? Was that just something you
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covered for entertainment? But did it not sink in that
we have to take these issues seriously, and so for
the many voices in the media just to be writing
people off and saying that these players need to harden up.
And the other side of it is if you get
selected for the Silver Ferns, you're not getting plucked from
your local school team after a little bit of amateur action.
You've learned how to train and week your guts out
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and to perform at the highest level. So you get
they're not They're not somehow on Jenuse have just come
on like, oh, we weren't expecting this to be so hard.
Surely they've come through a process. So I think that
I think generally a lot of the comment around this
has been it's been waeful, if not a little bit,
there's another.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
Way it's guided.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
I mean shut down really hard.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
It was very and there are good journalists out there
who've been trying, like it's taken a long time, particularly
and and and high praise to DNA Johansson who's done
an incredible deep dive into this. And I would say,
in one user's defense, it's very difficult to report on
somebody else's reporting if it's all based on sources. Yeah,
so it's that's a hard one, hard one to cover
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off to be fear and balanced. But this just seemed
like an absolute mess, and that no one is coming
out of it with very good.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
It's extremely damaging to the sport has got depth to
you know, new zumers do have issues with honest and
open and difficult conversations. You know, you know we do
you know, we run for cover.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
So you know, yeah, look, the other the only thing
that's come out of the last couple of days is well,
I guess it's question Noline Taro as accounts of things.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
And your truth truth.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
I mean, that's the thing. My truth is. My truth
is that I was like, what.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Sort of truth is that some of this did not
sound truthful?
Speaker 2 (21:38):
You know that's kind of you know, like I don't
know why I wasn't stood down, and then it comes
out that actually you've got a letter telling you exactly why.
I mean, obviously it's difficult.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
She may have been confused about what she couldn't couldn't
talk about and was maybe talking and maybe I'm just
giving her too much incredibly will credit here, but yeah,
that was incredibly confused.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
And I'm sure it's been an incredibly difficult time for her,
but also.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
Need support to you. But so what happens now, Tim?
Speaker 2 (22:08):
What do you want me to have it my records? No? No,
I look, I'm not a sports guy, but I just
look at this and I look at what's come out,
and I'll be very surprised. She's coaching the team coming
in the Commonwealth Games. Okay, very surprised because there's there's
stuff that needs to be worked on, and it looks
like there was sort of an agreement, but she's not
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acknowledging that there was an agreement. I'm not sure what's
being acknowledged. But I'm not sure from what you read
in that story, I'm not sure that that's a coach
who's ever going to have the full confidence of her players.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Look at these stories as well, there's a there's very
good context in them in the terms that Netwill is
in a bit of trouble. You know, they're not getting
the big bucks out of the broadcasters anymore. They're struggling
to hold on to players. You know, more kids are
going off to play. There's there's just more choice now
there's basketball and you know, water polo and stuff.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
That's what gets lost in it though, the thousands and
thousands of kids who play and adults who plays sport.
And I just hope that, you know, nitball comes through
this and can carry on to some brighter, sort of
greener pastures.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Can I just say one thing, Kids go and play basketball.
It's a much better game.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Actually, I just don't even understand basketball. I still pre game,
I still don't.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
We just don't have enough stadiums around the host that
I mean, that's an issue for that.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Another Yeah, well that's a popularity thing as well. What
is their basketball?
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Well, yeah, they just got enough gyms for the amount
of kids who want to play.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Actually, funny enough, I'm not really into baseball, but I
found myself watching that baseball or the final. Yeah, I
myself watching a bit of this is quite entertaining. Obviously
it wasn't going to go to because Husking was telling
us how how much it costs just for a hot
dog or something and that ground.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
It's actually an incredible experience going to.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
A game and day.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
That's brilliant. They know how to entertain.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Yeah, take me back to the old ball perhaps.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Hey, speaking of another organization that's been having a hard time,
it's not a flash look for the BBC. Was it
accused of selectively editing the Trump clip from the day
of the capital attacks. So he he'd said, We're going
to walk down to the Capitol and I'll be there
with you, and then it sort of seemed to give
the impression that he said and we fight, we fight
(24:23):
like hell, when he actually had said those words later on,
they spliced them together and it did give the impression
that he really sort of that his rhetoric was slightly
more inflammatory earlier on, although later on it was inflammatory.
So I think it's quite as excited about this, but
they should just make sure it's clear that it's edited. Mark.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Yeah, I mean, like honestly, I mean, I worked obviously
as a TV journalist for a long time, and you
do select if the edit, but you don't, you're more
likely to take things out rather than but things out
up against it.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Yeah, you know, and on the face of it, this
is not a good.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
Look, not a good look. It's appalling, misleading, and you know,
it's a criminal child. I mean, this is no fake news.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
I mean, don't resemble those They didn't actually need to
do any selective editing because he had said some inflammatory stuff.
He was denying the election result. It's just they shouldn't
have spliced it with his comments. Well, let's go down
and fight like hell and then pretend that the Proud
Boys are all marching because he said it. They just
(25:34):
but they didn't, are they.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
There's a review going on, isn't there by I guess BBC,
you have appointed a high ranking for sure, as they
do or government has.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
It's just you know, the reason I'm angry about it
is because, look, you know why we've got to be able,
because we have to be able to rely on mainstream.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Media to make a really good point to him, because
this isn't a time where trust the media is at
an all time low, and there's there's often been the
thought that particularly with public broadcar is like the BBC
have have such strong standards of fairness and balance, and
that there be in a way in countries that have
(26:14):
do have strong public broadcasters, they have higher levels of trust.
So the bar is high. They need to they need
to live up to this. And it's not like Panorama
is a is a brilliant program.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
That's been good.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
The credibilities they on this and it could be far reaching,
you know, the trust and confidence message post COVID in
particular New Zealand's taking a dive.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
So look, I mean in the end, as I say,
they didn't need to do that editing because they had
said enough inflammatory things anyway, didn't didn't massively change the story,
but it was just a terrible look for it. Also,
you're right, why do it if you don't need to
do it well, because they I don't know, someone couldn't
help themselves, could they? Anyway?
Speaker 3 (26:53):
First time I've ever known of this to happen and Telivision.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
I know it's a bottom Mark truth. Mark's going to
have a cup of Tina lie down. I might even
as well, and it's we'll be back in just a moment.
It's twenty three minutes to for News Talks ZEDB. Yes,
welcome back to News Talk ZEDB. This is the panel
on the weekend, collecting my panelist the Richard lind Drews.
He's the CEO of National Field Days and Mark kris
(27:17):
Or TV presenter, journalist and presenter of The Elephant, which
is the podcast he's working on with Midia Web Series
web series.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
We call it Tim. It's like a TV show but podcast?
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Is that a poshwave? Same podcast? Or is it because
it's it's it's pictures as well.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
You got it, Tim, hooray.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
I feel like I've grown up. I give I'll be
the judge of that. It's no anyway. Hey maybe actually
before we get onto this the well, actually, let's discuss
this one first. The Filmmaking Rebate Criteria's changed. So basically,
we are offering increased rebates to filmmakers are going to
(27:56):
make their films here in New Zealand. It's news. It's
to stop New Zealand from missing out amid what's described
as an intensified global market. For a long I think
it's taken a while for New Zealanders to get their
heads around the fact that we literally have to for
sort of taxpayers have to allow these companies a break
because the economic benefits of having them make their multi
(28:18):
multimillion dollar movies here far out weighs the fact that
we have to give them some large s. I've moved
with that, and I sort of think it's just a
fact of life. We have to Richard.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
Yeah, good summary. I think the devil's in the detail
on these things. But it's market failure. I mean, you know,
the government hester intervene. I'm not a fan of protectionism,
but this sort of supporter is we don't want to
be isolated and we have to step up and deliver
for the industry to get the return.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Yeah, it's realistic. I mean, it's just they wouldn't come
here they weren't getting a rebate. It's as simple as that.
And it provides so many jobs. It's a clean industry,
it's smart. You know, it makes us feel good.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Promotion people here, Yeah, that kind of thing. Yeah, I reckon.
It'll be fascinating to watch to see the negotiations are
between the politicians and the film studios as to how
how much of a rebate's going to do the job
to get them here, because you know, New Zealand does
have some spectacular places to film, and we've got a
pretty good setup with the work that was done through
Peter Jackson, the Lord of the Rings and film Studios
(29:20):
and all that. Mark.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
I just don't think we realize like it's like Peter
Jackson in particular, he has created an incredible facility in
Wellington and James Cameron. I mean, those are two of
the biggest directors in the world. James Cameron, He's got
about three or four movies in the top ten grossing
movies of all time. And just to have that the
(29:42):
New Zealand is incredible.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
Aren't cheap for them?
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Ye? I mean, I don't we work hard cell phones,
so we've got all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Where are the Marvel movies made? We need to try
and get that Marvel franchise out.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
I think they're mostly made in studios. They're big studios,
that's what I mean.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
But we have good I mean Hawk's base got studios.
Hawk's got studios.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
I don't know Hawks, but there's a new undown in Queenstown.
I think what they have to do, I mean, just
segueing slightly, is that they need to look at the
amount of money that's being siphoned out of the New
Zealand film and television industry by the big tech guys,
and maybe they're paying very little in return in tax
for what they make, so they need to find a
(30:21):
way to get that money back and plout into New Zealand.
Australia's doing it. New Zealand's still very scared of America
and being seen as protectionism. But all our approaches isn't working.
Aren't working really anyway. We're still being hit with more
tariffs in it.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Of course, on that subject, it's a good time to
mention and acknowledge the death of Lee Tamihori and we
had a bit of Richard and I had a bit
of a chat with one of our colleagues about the
impact that once We're Warriors made as a movie and
it was. It was. I don't know how it was.
Struggled to describe the impact it had on New Zealand
(30:58):
society to have such a visceral depiction of domestic violence,
and that why or not is just captured. It perfect.
An amazing movie and Tim We're a Morrison, I mean,
what a phenomenal performance from him. Clive Curtis, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
Yeah, I knew, I knew Lee and he was a wonderful, smart, clever, brilliant,
creative New Zealander. I'm really sad that he's passed away,
but he left He's left us with an incredible legacy,
so I think we should be And I love the
way he's been celebrated at the end as well, and
(31:39):
I think we need to celebrate more people like this
in our culture.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Yeah. Arena Owen of course, is Beth Heckey the famous
scene cock your own bleeping eggs. Yeah, but I do
think that it's a must watch at some stage, whether
you be you know, our age or in your twenties
or something. I think everyone should see that film at
some stage. It's just an amazing piece of filmmaking. Richard, Sorry,
no age, No.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
And the sad thing is too still have very high
levels of domestic violence in New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
So yeah, I remember at the time, I can't remember
what year. What year was it actually released as nineteen
ninety four, well, gosh, nineteen ninety four, feeling.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
It was one of those small New Zealand moves that
had a huge impact internationally as well.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Because that was well writer. That wasn't long after I
because I practiced law and rote a UA And did
you get any good at it? No? No, really, but
in terms of what it depicted you as someone said, oh,
that's I'm not going to name the tavern, but someone's like,
it's just like it's like Friday night at the such
and such tavern.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Well, you see, that's where I see the book by
Ellen Ellen Duff who grew up in rout so a
lot of that is based.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Man, it was spot on and scary stuff. By the way,
while he had an illustrious career, it has to be
seid he did make one of the worst ever Bond films,
which was Tomorrow Never Dies with P. S. Brosnan only
probably not Lee's fault actually, but it was in the
days when we were still getting to grips with really
good CGI and there's this ridiculous scene of on surfing. Yeah,
(33:06):
it was like, come on, it's like, that's the worst
CG I ever. Maybe they could remake that movie. Not
remake it, but just go into those scenes, get the footage,
and redo it with decent CGI and we'd be on
a winner.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
T you know, you know it was a movie. Yeah,
but you know, suspend belief.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Well, but it's easier to suspend your disbelief when you're
not looking at something going there that's fake. I mean,
we know it's fake, but you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
Are you the guy that goes, like during a car
chase and someone gets a park right outside and gets out,
walks away without locking his car. You go that he
wouldn't get a park there.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
I have. I have that thought that from time to time,
But then I do let that one slide. Is that
what you do? Because you're Mark Krazor? You just used
to drive up to the gates of TV and C
and just park outside the pavement and walk in and
someone would catch your keys and go with would you
let me to park it wander into the.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
Palace of perk?
Speaker 2 (33:58):
No, those days are long gone. In fact, they never happened.
Sadly anyway, amazing career, and he forged the path for
so many directors, and I just think, you know, what
must it have been like? Actually, not wanting to bang
on about it too much, but the once we'll worry
is I wonder what that whole process is like when
(34:19):
you are an actor, a director and a writer to
create a film and to put it out there and
you know, as such a bold piece of work, and
then to see the reaction to it must be I mean,
just overwhelming in terms of satisfaction and that you've done
your job.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
Well, he dire it to produce the second.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
I don't think he did. Actually, I don't know that
my research.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
It terms looking to click at a time. So we'll
move on. And by the way, remember the fire Weeks discussion.
Yes a Catherine Wheel.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
Oh thank you?
Speaker 2 (34:53):
The answer is always out there in the text land.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
Sounds like it's someone I had in my fourth form
English class. Katherine Wheel? What are we wish she is?
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Now? That's the way you said that could be rephrased,
I think m Anyway, I'll leave that to listener to
tell me whether that sounded a little dodgy coming from
Mark kras Or. There. Hey, look, I'm not sure what
I think of this. I sort of like it and
don't like it. So the Michelin Guide is expanding to
New Zealand and they have already had. The government's paying
(35:21):
six million bucks or something to get Micheline inspectors inspectors.
Sounds good, doesn't it to go round our top restaurants
and to see if we can get a Michelin star
or two or maybe even three. It's costing six million bucks.
It does feel a little bit the money version of
Ivory tower Ish And I'm not sure. I haven't finished speking.
(35:43):
I'm just it's not a lot of money. But I'm
not sure how excited I am about the Michelin Stars.
And imagine could they come here and not give a
Michelin Star. Given having the fact that they're six million bucks,
they're going to have to hand some out.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
Well, it's from the rolls, all the good cheese rolls.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
They should They should go to the Custer Squares, Patrick
Lamb's Bakery and Taring are on the other pie of
the year. They should go and visit some of those.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
Just about the money, right, this is coming from the
International Visitor Fund. So this isn't coming, so it's not
that excited about it international that they're paying money. We're
using this money, so it's out. It's actually not taking
from other spend. It's international visitor money.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
So it's a smart use.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
And I congratulate the Minister Louis Upstin on this one.
I think it's great.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
Okay, it's a high end. I mean they want to
aim for the high end, don't they. They do, they
want the high end tourist.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
Come two tourism, food tourism, it's a thing.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Here's the thing though, you see, for it to be
genuine food tourism, we're going to have to get a
restaurant with three stars. Because one is one is you
should go to this restaurant. The two stars this is
the original guy. Two stars was it's worth going out
of your way to this restaurant, right, And three stars
(36:59):
is you should make a trip specifically to go to
this restaurant. So New Zealand, given that we are out
of the way, we're gonna have to get a lot
of three stars, so people literally make a trip so
they can go. And Josh reason, it's.
Speaker 4 (37:13):
Just another thing on the list. And that's particularly if
you know the one that I mentioned just before about
Emmonsfield and that will get a three, you know, But.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
Can I can I just quickly interrupt you, Timm, Are
you saying the word restaurant? You're not saying it the
proper way.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
You restaurant, friend, That's how I've always said it like that.
Oh god, I did this on talk About the other night.
I say Crossong too. I don't say, can I have
a croissant? What do you say?
Speaker 3 (37:36):
I say it correctly, restaurant?
Speaker 2 (37:39):
Oh you say the tea at the end? What a plub?
What about you? Richard?
Speaker 4 (37:42):
Oh my god?
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Then this is this is this is a safe place. Actually,
maybe I'm repeating the discussion. I'm the repeating the discussion
I had at probably two am because ages ago Tim
Roxbury used to joke with me. He said, oh, Crossong restaurant.
He said, do you say Perrie and I go yeah.
But anyway, that's a whole talkback thing, hasn't it as
(38:05):
to when you say restaurant? Anyway? Have you ever been
to Michelin Star restaurant?
Speaker 4 (38:11):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (38:12):
I have in London? Yeah? Yeah? Was it expensive? Were
you paying?
Speaker 3 (38:15):
I was paying? But I was earning good money. So
and it was amazing.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
It was how much standing?
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Yeah, in Windsor. And actually I'm going to drop a
name here. It was recommended to us by Sean Fitzpatrick
who lived just down the road. And it was really
it was just it was a great experience.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Have you ever been to a Michelin star restaurant?
Speaker 4 (38:36):
I can't remember. I've been to some great restaurants.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Oh my goodness, that it was. I've been to so
many amazing restaurants, but I can't remember which one them
had a star?
Speaker 4 (38:46):
No, probably not. Isn't the one in Copenhagen the one?
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (38:52):
Yeah, no, no, yeah?
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Have you been to that? You guys talk amongst your south.
We have to take a break. It's eight minutes to Ford.
News Talk said B. Yes, News Talk, said B. This
is a panel and guys they we've heard about the
house and crisis, but apparently there is burial one too,
where councilors have been warned to secure land before cemetery
states that space is run out. It's all of it more.
But isn't it, Richard? Have you got your plot reserved?
(39:17):
I haven't.
Speaker 4 (39:17):
We do have lots of crises in that country.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
Don't mean to well, that's the news people are like,
if you open the paper and it's all good news,
you'd be like, I don't care.
Speaker 4 (39:26):
Okay, So you've.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
Got to you got to wind them up. We've got
to find something to worry about.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
To be cremated anyway. So this is about imposta. That's
what I want to be composted, just a hot compost,
break me down in a few hours and fought me
into the roses.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
So this story is about running out of space. Getot
is it about running out.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
Of Oh god, he's running a hot old mark. All
I could think of the plot. All I could think
of was, you know, the practical solution they had to
find and when they created the catacombs and Paris. Speaking
of losing the plot, actually, have you been to the
catacombs in Paris? I have. It's incredible, that's amazing, unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
But there are churches all over Europe that are similar
that they just have piles of skulls and bones and
things where they stacked them up. I went to an
amazing one in Sicily as well.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
It reminds me of that Mighty Python Skirts where they
guy it's in the middle of the plague and the
guys saying, bring out your dead and he drops, Bring
out your dad, bring out your Deadney drops dead and
they just rot laid him onto the cart and wheel
him off.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
I'm going to live forever or die in the attempt.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
We should be playing queen right now because of the
I'm going to live forever anyway. Guess what time's up?
That's it, Richard Lindrew's, Mark krysl Thanks for having us.
Does life get any better than having you guys in
the panel?
Speaker 4 (40:34):
Good?
Speaker 2 (40:35):
And well, we'll find out some other people. Anyway. We'll
be back with the one Refradio show, and we're going
to be having a chat about political uncertainty and whether
we should worry about what the next government may or
may not do, among other things. This is News Talk Said.
Be back in the mow.
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Speaker 2 (00:38):
Had a very good afternoon to you. I'm Tim Beverage.
Welcome to the Weekend Collective. The Saturday, the eighth of November.
Gosh times marching on. Before you know it, we'll be
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Coming up on today's show, as always, look at what
we just We go from one star panel to the
next star panel and I'll be introducing them shortly, but
looking a little further forward to when we take your
calls as well. On O eight one hundred and eighty
ten to eighty for the one Rufradio show where with
Brian Thompson, he's from Hardcourts and we're basically gonna have
a chat about all the uncertainty around the positions politically
on tax and all that sort of thing. Do you
(01:20):
have to take it into account, what effect does it
have on the market or if you just buy now
and live for now and then see what happens in
the years to come, or does it actually have an
unsettling effect on the market. And after five to four
the parents squad, Sarah chat ones with us it's exact
excuse me pick up, it's exam time and how do
you help your kids deal with the stress of exams,
maybe whether it's their first exams ever or some really
(01:42):
important exams which might spell, you know, spell out what
they can can or can't do in terms of their futures.
And for the sports wrapped shortly before sex, we with
Kobe Marati. He's going to be chatting to us about
we've got the All Blacks match coming up as well
as Auckland f C and Wellington Phoenix, which I'm much
even though I didn't watch it a lot, I followed
it quite closely and well, you know it's going to
(02:04):
be a great derby, isn't it. Auckland fus as Wellington Phoenix.
So all that this is the weekend collective. It is
eight minutes past three.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Insightful, entertaining and always mold points of tim Beveridge on
the weekend Collective News talk s b.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Yes, and our panelists today are well, I don't know
which order to go in age before beauty, but I'm
not going to go age before beauty because all of
a sudden, I'm making a comment, So let's just go.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
So.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
He's a TV presenter and journalist and he is the
silver Fox of sort of TV reporting in a way.
I mean he's he's not so much that's enough. What
are you doing that podcast? Mark? Mark and Gentlemen of
the Elephants?
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Why is playing on the Herald with my very good
friend Midia mccommell. And it's doing really well. We talked
about some things that people don't want to talk about.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
As of course you talk about the elephant in the room.
You got it. You have come to the right place.
That's what this panel is all about, Hope. So and
he's actually a little in fact, he doesn't like me
to mention this, but he was quite the athlete back
in his day. I think he got paid to run
even but he's now he's the shosh I haven't introduced yet.
He's the CEO of New Zealand Field Days and Richard Lindrews,
(03:19):
how are you going? Yes, you can push that button. No,
not that one, the red one.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Okay, here we go, great intro for Mark silver Fox.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Here is the Silver Fox. Look at them?
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Did you cycle in here today? Haven't we got something
else to talk about? Well, we're rather than my bike.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
We're going to sing your praises.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Well, I'll take it for as long as they're like,
but I'm nervous.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
But you did used to do a bit of athletics. Yeah,
we've all got past life.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
I mean, so have you. I mean some of the
topics today we might go down that path with a
bit of bit.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Higher performance, but high performance. I just love it because
I do know. I do know Richard personally through a
bunch of connections. But one day, because he doesn't like
to talk about the fact that he used to run
a bit and his auto went up while we're having
dinner once and came down with a huge sack of
his trophies and he was like, oh, put it away,
put them away, and you're famous.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Yeah, this is how key we used to do it
to him. You need to get used to it, you know,
you score the try put your head down.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Exactly. That's how you do it? Okay, hey, look just quickly,
did did you guys do the fireworks? No? No, no,
it actually passed me by. I forgot to leave.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
It was a little bit noisy, but I'm like, oh yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
My son asked, and then I gave him a reality
check of I spent too much on that garden. You're
not going anywhere near it. And his girlfriend lives in
Poka Goey. So that tells you. You know, real New
Zealand is a big no for fireworks.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
So yeah, it's changed because when I was growing up,
it was something that swept the neighborhoods. Everyone used. We
used to build a guy. Sometimes we'd have a bonfire
and thunderbolts and double happies. Tom Thumb's one of those
things that used to run along the pavement almost you
know the ones that have no no, no, they're fireworks, the
jumping jacks or something. What are they called? No, there's
(05:13):
a wheel? What was that? That wheel? Some of your
listeners will tee somebody will text me anyway anyway, Winston
wants to ban them. God it's sailor private fireworks. I
do think think that it has changed. It used to
be mainstream. Now it's a fringe.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Well we reading the room again.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
He's right, we don't.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
We don't have the right to bear firearms. I mean
it's I mean fireworks. We don't have that either. But
you know, I think it's a it's a it's it's past,
it's used by date. Why should we put these in
the hands of idiots Like I love a good proper
professional display. I think they're incredible, but someone with some
(05:53):
doubled happies and some skyrockets in the backyard.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
So I was driving to work for my overnight about
just after eleven, and there's a car in front of
me driving along and the guy was shooting fireworks at
people out of his car window.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
You that's a good reason to it straight away.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Here's the thing. New Zealand First leader Winston Peter says
that the party's bill to ban the public sale would
be a bottom line in any future coalition a gramment
and now it never brings bottom lines and this is yeah,
but surely, I mean, this is not the hell to
die on in terms of bottom lines or does he
think it's an easy bottom line to get across?
Speaker 4 (06:28):
I'd have other bottom lines, you know, I mean, I
just think he's he's made a right call. I like it,
and I think my majority of New Zealanders would. So
let's just do it, Okay, sometimes.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Go one hundred percent. I don't know if the government's
behind it. It sounds like they sound less keen. But yeah, they.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Don't want to be killed joys. I guess so that, but.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
They're not the public displays New Year's Eve. Yeah, I
mean the good old days of John Banks in two
thousand and five having a barge in or Harbor two
thousand and five boom.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Actually, I'm real those ones. I always thought that's great.
I must have. I thought always thought the fireworks became
a waste of time when they got rid of the
the skyrockets, which really did go several hundred feet in
the air. Now these days you've got something that sort
of goes pop, and there's.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Too too much that can go wrong. There's there's too
many downside pets and animals.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Okay, we've decided, Winston, we're on your side. Make them
a bottom line and away you go. Now just onto
other sort of possibly anti social things. Where are you
guys at with? So that there was a Paul Goldsmith
was on with Heather talking about, you know, the whisper
about whether the government's going to ban rough sleepers. Wayne Brown,
I think has come out and going for goodness say
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absolutely banned them.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Front page of the Hero.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
It's quite a funny story because he talks about anti
social behavior, how he sat next to a guy and
the guy told him to f off and he went right.
I took that advice. But of course I think that
the subtext behind it as people think that they're just
going to be bundled off somewhere anywhere but the CBD.
They've got to have somewhere to go. But since the
police having power to move people on, I would say
(08:01):
I support it. Mark.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Yeah, it's it's one of these ambulance at the bottom
of the cliff things, isn't it. I mean, it's a
demonstration of lots of other social ills that we haven't solved,
like housing, mental health, addiction, and they're all ending up
on the streets. But it can be very edgy in
parts of the city.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
They're having the discussion and rather than you know it,
you know, it is kicking the can down the road
if you take that approach, but hopefully it's not. You know,
there was some good commentary around this, Let's get a solution.
There's definitely anti social, unruly behavior, and I think Brown
was saying he doesn't have the license to sort that out.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Yeah, but where do they go? Exactly?
Speaker 3 (08:43):
I mean, this is the problem. You know, we put
them down like a refugee camp down and somewhere in
the paddock in South Auckland or something.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
I don't know. I'm sure sleeping in the doorways and
setting the bar particularly high either though, it doesn't no.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
No, but I mean I don't think I mean, there
may be some who are, but I don't think most
are there by choice. Yeah. And you know, I've spent
some time with a charity called Orange Sky that go
down and.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
You know, it's a tough it's not.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
An easy life. And there are more women living on
the streets now as well, and they're a danger and
as member of the public, at times you feel danger.
I know my daughter doesn't like being around it. So yeah,
it's a tough way A Brown doesn't. No, But that's
the thing. The idea of moving them on is all
very well, But where do they go?
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Yeah? I think that the political argument always I find
it sometimes can be a little dishonest on this because
it's always implying that, oh, the police are just going
to be rounding them up and shoving them in a
cage somewhere, And it's not about that. It's but it
is about they of course everyone would, except they've got
to have somewhere. You can't just bundle them out. I
don't know what the imagery people think in the back
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of their mind is, but they have to have somewhere
to go.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Yeah, I mean it's I mean, some of that surely
as classified as antisocial behavior, though if you're taking a
dump in a doorway or.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Well, you've got to cut to the chaser boys to
go around other level. Yeah, it's sort of I guess
it's define got to talk around this issue in any
sort of sort of family friendly way anyway, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
I Mean, I've seen, like I've literally seen over the
past couple of weeks, open aired drug deals going on
where people are buying and selling drugs and taking them
and that kind of thing is not not cool. I mean,
but you'll find that in any major city in the world.
I just don't want to see it here, but it's
popping up in places all over New Zealand like New
Plymouth where I grew up. They've got homelessness now on
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much bigger levels. Tod you know, Wellington, It's all over
New Zealand. It's not just Auckland.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
It is going to become more. I mean, this is
going to become a bigger issue the closer the CRL
gets to opening as well, because what we want to
see with the CRL as people, you know, getting on
the trains, getting around and invigorating the city. And I
think it's it's an uncomfortable topic, but we have to
do something about it. Richard, I agree, what what? Oh yeah,
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well that's why that's why I'm not in politics. Well
I'm not the only reason, to be honest, anyway, Speaking
of other sort of I'm not sure what to do
with that, you know, the to party Mari and the
dysfunction that we're seeing going on, and there are divisions
that are getting deeper and deeper. And the only interesting
(11:23):
thing I thought that I noticed was when raw was
talking about a couple of rebels and all the sort
of things, as if they were sort of a rebel
force that didn't have support, and they said, well, but
of course it's a democracy. So if the rebels win,
it'll be because they've got more support than the other lot.
But it's not a great look for to party, Mari
is it Mark? At the moment they do seem to
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be the dysfunctional sort of child at It's a mess.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
But you know, let's be honest, every political party goes
through this at some stage or remember Jamie Lee Ross,
Remember David Cunliffe, remember Materia to write. You know that
every political party at some stage or other tears itself
apart because people come with different points of view.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Charloff's problem, I'm sorry, not even just was he the
one that just Cinder even and and Grant Robinson the ones.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Anyone?
Speaker 3 (12:18):
Yeah, So I think it's a it's a it's a
thing that happens. But I found it very interesting the
way the EE leaders came together this week to try
and sort it all out. And I heard I heard
at the head of Nazi k On Heather talking about it,
and the way he talked about it, how Mary and
these these these eis are very powerful economically, really don't
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want this government around it much longer, and they see
this as a distraction and they want them gone, and
so I found it very interesting that they tied the
party colors to one party, but it's actually a broader.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Well, Heather asked if if the Mara Caucus and Labor
were having these problems, would the EWE be intervening, and
he was like, he wasn't so sure if he wouldn't.
It's like, well, that looks like you're very close Lyn
to one political party.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
They do have an awful lot of support though, you know,
particularly you look at you know, they got all all
the Marty seats, They've got a lot of young Mary
have grown up in Kura and things like that, so
they're kind of behind what they believe. It may not
work with middle New Zealand, but for their little area
that's working.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
What do you reckon, Richard, Well, they're making neitblele New
Zealand look good.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Loving this.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
Yeah, well it's a mess mark set at. You know,
you've got a seasoned campaigner, John tim here on one side.
You know he's not his first rodeo and that's a
compliment John, if you're listening, and then you've got a
bit of naivety I think on the other side. And
so but you know, you don't put your dirty washing
out on the line, John sort out. But what I
like is the marriage counselor that's going on by the
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em Why well, marriage counseling. You know, the council will
blame you and then will blame the other party, and
soon both you realize it's the marriage counselor's it's not me,
it's you.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Actually, the thing is I wonder if I'm like many
of men in New Zealanders, who I mean it comes
on the news, I'm actually just not that interested because
I'm only interested when they've got there at sorted out
and if they've announced a policy that I think is
good or bad. As opposed to these maschinations, it is
just sort of political wrangling and such, you know proverbial out.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
Guys where we are paying them, Oh that's right, you
can remember that we are paying them.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
They seem much sure they're representing me, but they're representing
so you know, they just it's a disservice to the
electric they represent. That's my view.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Yeah, and they do literally represent electorates, and they're much
more like Honey hardaware is mana party than the old
Mariti party with you know, Pitch Sharps, who actually achieved
a lot, you know, from government in government with the
National Party, and I just can't see this party with
anything to bring to the table politically. It's it's so
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much activism. Performative is exactly right, it's a movement. Well, no,
it is performative.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
I've always described. I've described plenty of times. I think
Rari whit tit is more like a carnival barker than
a serious politician. It's all step right up, step right up.
Here's some theatrics, but no willingness at all to engage
seriously with a party that's in government where they can
make a difference.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
Leaders Forum of the comment was made they want to
see policy, and this is.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Well, this is exactly it.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
And if they want to be serious about making changes
that impact on people's lives, then they need to be start,
you know, performing in that area.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Good point, right, guess what I accidentally switched my mic off?
Then silence. Maybe I was subconsciously thinking of switching yours off,
But anyway, I guess what We're game? No never, never,
Mark never. We will be back in just a moment.
There's lots to talk about, of course, there was there's
been some interesting updates on the Nolling Taru think which
is and Netball and New Zealand're gonna have a chat about
(16:03):
that in just a moment twenty two minutes past three
News Talks EDB, News Talk's ed B. This is the
Weekend Collective and my guests Sir Richard Lyn Drew's and
Mark Kreisel and guys, look the it's talking about entertainment,
I guess, but I'm not sure in a good way.
But the whole Netball New Zealand Nolan Tarua thing has
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been well, I think it's been quite hard to watch
in a way. But there was a story. There's been
finally a bit of journalism done by a couple of people,
Nathan Limb from New Zealand Herald and Danna Johansson from
the aren Z because Noelean Taru had sort of been
getting a fairly easy run, I think because she's named
no Lean saying I wasn't notified and all this sort
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of stuff. And it subsequently it has come out that
actually she did know why she had been stood down,
that there were problems in seven players had made themselves
unavailable for the silver fans. I mean it's I think
one of the biggest problems with this is the public
interest is totally at odds with a private employment dispute.
I'll go to you first, Richard.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
Yeah, a great. I mean it's a broken it's a
broken relationship.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
And somehow your as your micros just checking your volume there.
Now that's all right on.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
We're broken relations relationship here. I mean for me, I
mean the events that actually occurred might be the lesser crime.
The process has been significantly damaging and deep from Neple
New Zealand, but all the stakeholders. So you know, I
think you know it's a lack of effective leadership, whether
that's at a CE or Cheer level or is it
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Nolan as you're just intimating to by some of those
recent journalistic articles.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Well, the thing that came out, it's come out, is
that she wasn't stood down for the complaints and players
are made against her. It was that she didn't she
wasn't interested in changing any of the way they were
doing things. By the look of it, if I could
sum it up crudely, Mark, what's your take on it?
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Well before I go, and you feel is this a
safe space? Probably not, I'll say no, Mark, I find
it really interesting observing from the outside the way the
narrative took off that you know, it was basically these
players were soft and they needed to harden up, and
it was became almost like a generational thing. But when really,
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you know, you have to look at these sorts of
things seriously, with what happened with Olivia podmore with cycling
New Zealand, that these are people and you would understand this, Richard,
far better than I. But you know, these are people
under serious pressure to succeed and to win, and the
way they're driven and at the end they're human beings.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
At the middle of there were.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
The coaches and your friend. Yeah, I mean, if you
know high performance culture, you're really driven for success. But
I mean the issue is in sport now it is
employment law that governs you, you know, your employee.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
The thing Mark's touched on. The thing that I found
the most objectionable was I think some of the media
coverage of this one, the sycophantic coverage of Dame Noe
Lene as if she could do no wrong. Everyone just
assumed that Netball and New Zealand had to be wrong,
and then find eventually finally someone's done some journalism on this.
I mean interesting that one news was all over this
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with praise Noline and unquestioning, quoting former players, and finally
a story breaks on a couple of other news outlets
I e US and r n Z and last night
what was on TV one Crickets, nothing on it apps,
nothing at all. But here's the major beef I have
is what you mentioned about Olivia Podmore. So we've we
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had that tragedy that unfolded, and everyone was thinking, We've
got to look after our high performance people. It's an
intense environment. We have to look after people. And a
couple of breaths later and everyone in the media and
talk aback going, oh, these players are soft, telling are
harden up. It's like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Which part
of the Olivia Podmore thing? Was that just something you
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covered for entertainment? But did it not sink in that
we have to take these issues seriously, and so for
the many voices in the media just to be writing
people off and saying that these players need to harden up.
And the other side of it is if you get
selected for the Silver Ferns, you're not getting plucked from
your local school team after a little bit of amateur action.
You've learned how to train and week your guts out
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and to perform at the highest level. So you get
they're not They're not somehow on Jenuse have just come
on like, oh, we weren't expecting this to be so hard.
Surely they've come through a process. So I think that
I think generally a lot of the comment around this
has been it's been waeful, if not a little bit,
there's another.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
Way it's guided.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
I mean shut down really hard.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
It was very and there are good journalists out there
who've been trying, like it's taken a long time, particularly
and and and high praise to DNA Johansson who's done
an incredible deep dive into this. And I would say,
in one user's defense, it's very difficult to report on
somebody else's reporting if it's all based on sources. Yeah,
so it's that's a hard one, hard one to cover
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off to be fear and balanced. But this just seemed
like an absolute mess, and that no one is coming
out of it with very good.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
It's extremely damaging to the sport has got depth to
you know, new zumers do have issues with honest and
open and difficult conversations. You know, you know we do
you know, we run for cover.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
So you know, yeah, look, the other the only thing
that's come out of the last couple of days is well,
I guess it's question Noline Taro as accounts of things.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
And your truth truth.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
I mean, that's the thing. My truth is. My truth
is that I was like, what.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Sort of truth is that some of this did not
sound truthful?
Speaker 2 (21:38):
You know that's kind of you know, like I don't
know why I wasn't stood down, and then it comes
out that actually you've got a letter telling you exactly why.
I mean, obviously it's difficult.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
She may have been confused about what she couldn't couldn't
talk about and was maybe talking and maybe I'm just
giving her too much incredibly will credit here, but yeah,
that was incredibly confused.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
And I'm sure it's been an incredibly difficult time for her,
but also.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
Need support to you. But so what happens now, Tim?
Speaker 2 (22:08):
What do you want me to have it my records? No? No,
I look, I'm not a sports guy, but I just
look at this and I look at what's come out,
and I'll be very surprised. She's coaching the team coming
in the Commonwealth Games. Okay, very surprised because there's there's
stuff that needs to be worked on, and it looks
like there was sort of an agreement, but she's not
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acknowledging that there was an agreement. I'm not sure what's
being acknowledged. But I'm not sure from what you read
in that story, I'm not sure that that's a coach
who's ever going to have the full confidence of her players.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Look at these stories as well, there's a there's very
good context in them in the terms that Netwill is
in a bit of trouble. You know, they're not getting
the big bucks out of the broadcasters anymore. They're struggling
to hold on to players. You know, more kids are
going off to play. There's there's just more choice now
there's basketball and you know, water polo and stuff.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
That's what gets lost in it though, the thousands and
thousands of kids who play and adults who plays sport.
And I just hope that, you know, nitball comes through
this and can carry on to some brighter, sort of
greener pastures.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Can I just say one thing, Kids go and play basketball.
It's a much better game.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Actually, I just don't even understand basketball. I still pre game,
I still don't.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
We just don't have enough stadiums around the host that
I mean, that's an issue for that.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Another Yeah, well that's a popularity thing as well. What
is their basketball?
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Well, yeah, they just got enough gyms for the amount
of kids who want to play.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Actually, funny enough, I'm not really into baseball, but I
found myself watching that baseball or the final. Yeah, I
myself watching a bit of this is quite entertaining. Obviously
it wasn't going to go to because Husking was telling
us how how much it costs just for a hot
dog or something and that ground.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
It's actually an incredible experience going to.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
A game and day.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
That's brilliant. They know how to entertain.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Yeah, take me back to the old ball perhaps.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Hey, speaking of another organization that's been having a hard time,
it's not a flash look for the BBC. Was it
accused of selectively editing the Trump clip from the day
of the capital attacks. So he he'd said, We're going
to walk down to the Capitol and I'll be there
with you, and then it sort of seemed to give
the impression that he said and we fight, we fight
(24:23):
like hell, when he actually had said those words later on,
they spliced them together and it did give the impression
that he really sort of that his rhetoric was slightly
more inflammatory earlier on, although later on it was inflammatory.
So I think it's quite as excited about this, but
they should just make sure it's clear that it's edited. Mark.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Yeah, I mean, like honestly, I mean, I worked obviously
as a TV journalist for a long time, and you
do select if the edit, but you don't, you're more
likely to take things out rather than but things out
up against it.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Yeah, you know, and on the face of it, this
is not a good.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
Look, not a good look. It's appalling, misleading, and you know,
it's a criminal child. I mean, this is no fake news.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
I mean, don't resemble those They didn't actually need to
do any selective editing because he had said some inflammatory stuff.
He was denying the election result. It's just they shouldn't
have spliced it with his comments. Well, let's go down
and fight like hell and then pretend that the Proud
Boys are all marching because he said it. They just
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but they didn't, are they.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
There's a review going on, isn't there by I guess BBC,
you have appointed a high ranking for sure, as they
do or government has.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
It's just you know, the reason I'm angry about it
is because, look, you know why we've got to be able,
because we have to be able to rely on mainstream.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Media to make a really good point to him, because
this isn't a time where trust the media is at
an all time low, and there's there's often been the
thought that particularly with public broadcar is like the BBC
have have such strong standards of fairness and balance, and
that there be in a way in countries that have
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do have strong public broadcasters, they have higher levels of trust.
So the bar is high. They need to they need
to live up to this. And it's not like Panorama
is a is a brilliant program.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
That's been good.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
The credibilities they on this and it could be far reaching,
you know, the trust and confidence message post COVID in
particular New Zealand's taking a dive.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
So look, I mean in the end, as I say,
they didn't need to do that editing because they had
said enough inflammatory things anyway, didn't didn't massively change the story,
but it was just a terrible look for it. Also,
you're right, why do it if you don't need to
do it well, because they I don't know, someone couldn't
help themselves, could they? Anyway?
Speaker 3 (26:53):
First time I've ever known of this to happen and Telivision.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
I know it's a bottom Mark truth. Mark's going to
have a cup of Tina lie down. I might even
as well, and it's we'll be back in just a moment.
It's twenty three minutes to for News Talks ZEDB. Yes,
welcome back to News Talk ZEDB. This is the panel
on the weekend, collecting my panelist the Richard lind Drews.
He's the CEO of National Field Days and Mark kris
(27:17):
Or TV presenter, journalist and presenter of The Elephant, which
is the podcast he's working on with Midia Web Series
web series.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
We call it Tim. It's like a TV show but podcast?
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Is that a poshwave? Same podcast? Or is it because
it's it's it's pictures as well.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
You got it, Tim, hooray.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
I feel like I've grown up. I give I'll be
the judge of that. It's no anyway. Hey maybe actually
before we get onto this the well, actually, let's discuss
this one first. The Filmmaking Rebate Criteria's changed. So basically,
we are offering increased rebates to filmmakers are going to
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make their films here in New Zealand. It's news. It's
to stop New Zealand from missing out amid what's described
as an intensified global market. For a long I think
it's taken a while for New Zealanders to get their
heads around the fact that we literally have to for
sort of taxpayers have to allow these companies a break
because the economic benefits of having them make their multi
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multimillion dollar movies here far out weighs the fact that
we have to give them some large s. I've moved
with that, and I sort of think it's just a
fact of life. We have to Richard.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
Yeah, good summary. I think the devil's in the detail
on these things. But it's market failure. I mean, you know,
the government hester intervene. I'm not a fan of protectionism,
but this sort of supporter is we don't want to
be isolated and we have to step up and deliver
for the industry to get the return.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Yeah, it's realistic. I mean, it's just they wouldn't come
here they weren't getting a rebate. It's as simple as that.
And it provides so many jobs. It's a clean industry,
it's smart. You know, it makes us feel good.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Promotion people here, Yeah, that kind of thing. Yeah, I reckon.
It'll be fascinating to watch to see the negotiations are
between the politicians and the film studios as to how
how much of a rebate's going to do the job
to get them here, because you know, New Zealand does
have some spectacular places to film, and we've got a
pretty good setup with the work that was done through
Peter Jackson, the Lord of the Rings and film Studios
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and all that. Mark.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
I just don't think we realize like it's like Peter
Jackson in particular, he has created an incredible facility in
Wellington and James Cameron. I mean, those are two of
the biggest directors in the world. James Cameron, He's got
about three or four movies in the top ten grossing
movies of all time. And just to have that the
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New Zealand is incredible.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
Aren't cheap for them?
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Ye? I mean, I don't we work hard cell phones,
so we've got all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Where are the Marvel movies made? We need to try
and get that Marvel franchise out.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
I think they're mostly made in studios. They're big studios,
that's what I mean.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
But we have good I mean Hawk's base got studios.
Hawk's got studios.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
I don't know Hawks, but there's a new undown in Queenstown.
I think what they have to do, I mean, just
segueing slightly, is that they need to look at the
amount of money that's being siphoned out of the New
Zealand film and television industry by the big tech guys,
and maybe they're paying very little in return in tax
for what they make, so they need to find a
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way to get that money back and plout into New Zealand.
Australia's doing it. New Zealand's still very scared of America
and being seen as protectionism. But all our approaches isn't working.
Aren't working really anyway. We're still being hit with more
tariffs in it.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Of course, on that subject, it's a good time to
mention and acknowledge the death of Lee Tamihori and we
had a bit of Richard and I had a bit
of a chat with one of our colleagues about the
impact that once We're Warriors made as a movie and
it was. It was. I don't know how it was.
Struggled to describe the impact it had on New Zealand
(30:58):
society to have such a visceral depiction of domestic violence,
and that why or not is just captured. It perfect.
An amazing movie and Tim We're a Morrison, I mean,
what a phenomenal performance from him. Clive Curtis, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
Yeah, I knew, I knew Lee and he was a wonderful, smart, clever, brilliant,
creative New Zealander. I'm really sad that he's passed away,
but he left He's left us with an incredible legacy,
so I think we should be And I love the
way he's been celebrated at the end as well, and
(31:39):
I think we need to celebrate more people like this
in our culture.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Yeah. Arena Owen of course, is Beth Heckey the famous
scene cock your own bleeping eggs. Yeah, but I do
think that it's a must watch at some stage, whether
you be you know, our age or in your twenties
or something. I think everyone should see that film at
some stage. It's just an amazing piece of filmmaking. Richard, Sorry,
no age, No.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
And the sad thing is too still have very high
levels of domestic violence in New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
So yeah, I remember at the time, I can't remember
what year. What year was it actually released as nineteen
ninety four, well, gosh, nineteen ninety four, feeling.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
It was one of those small New Zealand moves that
had a huge impact internationally as well.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Because that was well writer. That wasn't long after I
because I practiced law and rote a UA And did
you get any good at it? No? No, really, but
in terms of what it depicted you as someone said, oh,
that's I'm not going to name the tavern, but someone's like,
it's just like it's like Friday night at the such
and such tavern.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Well, you see, that's where I see the book by
Ellen Ellen Duff who grew up in rout so a
lot of that is based.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Man, it was spot on and scary stuff. By the way,
while he had an illustrious career, it has to be
seid he did make one of the worst ever Bond films,
which was Tomorrow Never Dies with P. S. Brosnan only
probably not Lee's fault actually, but it was in the
days when we were still getting to grips with really
good CGI and there's this ridiculous scene of on surfing. Yeah,
(33:06):
it was like, come on, it's like, that's the worst
CG I ever. Maybe they could remake that movie. Not
remake it, but just go into those scenes, get the footage,
and redo it with decent CGI and we'd be on
a winner.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
T you know, you know it was a movie. Yeah,
but you know, suspend belief.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Well, but it's easier to suspend your disbelief when you're
not looking at something going there that's fake. I mean,
we know it's fake, but you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
Are you the guy that goes, like during a car
chase and someone gets a park right outside and gets out,
walks away without locking his car. You go that he
wouldn't get a park there.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
I have. I have that thought that from time to time,
But then I do let that one slide. Is that
what you do? Because you're Mark Krazor? You just used
to drive up to the gates of TV and C
and just park outside the pavement and walk in and
someone would catch your keys and go with would you
let me to park it wander into the.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
Palace of perk?
Speaker 2 (33:58):
No, those days are long gone. In fact, they never happened.
Sadly anyway, amazing career, and he forged the path for
so many directors, and I just think, you know, what
must it have been like? Actually, not wanting to bang
on about it too much, but the once we'll worry
is I wonder what that whole process is like when
(34:19):
you are an actor, a director and a writer to
create a film and to put it out there and
you know, as such a bold piece of work, and
then to see the reaction to it must be I mean,
just overwhelming in terms of satisfaction and that you've done
your job.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
Well, he dire it to produce the second.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
I don't think he did. Actually, I don't know that
my research.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
It terms looking to click at a time. So we'll
move on. And by the way, remember the fire Weeks discussion.
Yes a Catherine Wheel.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
Oh thank you?
Speaker 2 (34:53):
The answer is always out there in the text land.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
Sounds like it's someone I had in my fourth form
English class. Katherine Wheel? What are we wish she is?
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Now? That's the way you said that could be rephrased,
I think m Anyway, I'll leave that to listener to
tell me whether that sounded a little dodgy coming from
Mark kras Or. There. Hey, look, I'm not sure what
I think of this. I sort of like it and
don't like it. So the Michelin Guide is expanding to
New Zealand and they have already had. The government's paying
(35:21):
six million bucks or something to get Micheline inspectors inspectors.
Sounds good, doesn't it to go round our top restaurants
and to see if we can get a Michelin star
or two or maybe even three. It's costing six million bucks.
It does feel a little bit the money version of
Ivory tower Ish And I'm not sure. I haven't finished speking.
(35:43):
I'm just it's not a lot of money. But I'm
not sure how excited I am about the Michelin Stars.
And imagine could they come here and not give a
Michelin Star. Given having the fact that they're six million bucks,
they're going to have to hand some out.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
Well, it's from the rolls, all the good cheese rolls.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
They should They should go to the Custer Squares, Patrick
Lamb's Bakery and Taring are on the other pie of
the year. They should go and visit some of those.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
Just about the money, right, this is coming from the
International Visitor Fund. So this isn't coming, so it's not
that excited about it international that they're paying money. We're
using this money, so it's out. It's actually not taking
from other spend. It's international visitor money.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
So it's a smart use.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
And I congratulate the Minister Louis Upstin on this one.
I think it's great.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
Okay, it's a high end. I mean they want to
aim for the high end, don't they. They do, they
want the high end tourist.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
Come two tourism, food tourism, it's a thing.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Here's the thing though, you see, for it to be
genuine food tourism, we're going to have to get a
restaurant with three stars. Because one is one is you
should go to this restaurant. The two stars this is
the original guy. Two stars was it's worth going out
of your way to this restaurant, right, And three stars
(36:59):
is you should make a trip specifically to go to
this restaurant. So New Zealand, given that we are out
of the way, we're gonna have to get a lot
of three stars, so people literally make a trip so
they can go. And Josh reason, it's.
Speaker 4 (37:13):
Just another thing on the list. And that's particularly if
you know the one that I mentioned just before about
Emmonsfield and that will get a three, you know, But.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
Can I can I just quickly interrupt you, Timm, Are
you saying the word restaurant? You're not saying it the
proper way.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
You restaurant, friend, That's how I've always said it like that.
Oh god, I did this on talk About the other night.
I say Crossong too. I don't say, can I have
a croissant? What do you say?
Speaker 3 (37:36):
I say it correctly, restaurant?
Speaker 2 (37:39):
Oh you say the tea at the end? What a plub?
What about you? Richard?
Speaker 4 (37:42):
Oh my god?
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Then this is this is this is a safe place. Actually,
maybe I'm repeating the discussion. I'm the repeating the discussion
I had at probably two am because ages ago Tim
Roxbury used to joke with me. He said, oh, Crossong restaurant.
He said, do you say Perrie and I go yeah.
But anyway, that's a whole talkback thing, hasn't it as
(38:05):
to when you say restaurant? Anyway? Have you ever been
to Michelin Star restaurant?
Speaker 4 (38:11):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (38:12):
I have in London? Yeah? Yeah? Was it expensive? Were
you paying?
Speaker 3 (38:15):
I was paying? But I was earning good money. So
and it was amazing.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
It was how much standing?
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Yeah, in Windsor. And actually I'm going to drop a
name here. It was recommended to us by Sean Fitzpatrick
who lived just down the road. And it was really
it was just it was a great experience.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Have you ever been to a Michelin star restaurant?
Speaker 4 (38:36):
I can't remember. I've been to some great restaurants.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Oh my goodness, that it was. I've been to so
many amazing restaurants, but I can't remember which one them
had a star?
Speaker 4 (38:46):
No, probably not. Isn't the one in Copenhagen the one?
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (38:52):
Yeah, no, no, yeah?
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Have you been to that? You guys talk amongst your south.
We have to take a break. It's eight minutes to Ford.
News Talk said B. Yes, News Talk, said B. This
is a panel and guys they we've heard about the
house and crisis, but apparently there is burial one too,
where councilors have been warned to secure land before cemetery
states that space is run out. It's all of it more.
But isn't it, Richard? Have you got your plot reserved?
(39:17):
I haven't.
Speaker 4 (39:17):
We do have lots of crises in that country.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
Don't mean to well, that's the news people are like,
if you open the paper and it's all good news,
you'd be like, I don't care.
Speaker 4 (39:26):
Okay, So you've.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
Got to you got to wind them up. We've got
to find something to worry about.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
To be cremated anyway. So this is about imposta. That's
what I want to be composted, just a hot compost,
break me down in a few hours and fought me
into the roses.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
So this story is about running out of space. Getot
is it about running out.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
Of Oh god, he's running a hot old mark. All
I could think of the plot. All I could think
of was, you know, the practical solution they had to
find and when they created the catacombs and Paris. Speaking
of losing the plot, actually, have you been to the
catacombs in Paris? I have. It's incredible, that's amazing, unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
But there are churches all over Europe that are similar
that they just have piles of skulls and bones and
things where they stacked them up. I went to an
amazing one in Sicily as well.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
It reminds me of that Mighty Python Skirts where they
guy it's in the middle of the plague and the
guys saying, bring out your dead and he drops, Bring
out your dad, bring out your Deadney drops dead and
they just rot laid him onto the cart and wheel
him off.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
I'm going to live forever or die in the attempt.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
We should be playing queen right now because of the
I'm going to live forever anyway. Guess what time's up?
That's it, Richard Lindrew's, Mark krysl Thanks for having us.
Does life get any better than having you guys in
the panel?
Speaker 4 (40:34):
Good?
Speaker 2 (40:35):
And well, we'll find out some other people. Anyway. We'll
be back with the one Refradio show, and we're going
to be having a chat about political uncertainty and whether
we should worry about what the next government may or
may not do, among other things. This is News Talk Said.
Be back in the mow.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
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