November 21, 2025 • 40 mins
This week on The Panel, Tim Beveridge is joined by Resident Builder Pete Wolfkamp and psychotherapist Kyle MacDonald, to discuss the biggest stories from the week that was.
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Speaker 1 (02:26):
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Speaker 3 (02:32):
Yes, and a couple of silver Foxes on our panel today.
I'm judging one by the hair on top and one
by the hair under the gin. First up it's psychotherapist
and it's car McDonald. Well you are I was thinking, yes,
you are a silver fox.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
It's fair enough. It's definitely gone gray around the muzzle.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Yeah, it's a distinguished it's kind of and I can
imagine you looking pretty good rocking out at the Metallica
concert You've just got. I can just see that working
for you.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
Were there, I was fron center, not quite in the
snake pit, but yeah, pretty close to the stage is fantastic.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
What happens in the snake pit.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
You pay a lot of money to get really close
to the band basically, and.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
You're standing Yeah, yeah, okay. Actually somebody Heather was talking
about in the seated section, there was someone who stood
up and was sort of waving and you know, first
bumping and doing the whole all the gestures and stuff.
But he was sort of on his own, and in
the end people just said sit down. And here this
tape was. You know, you're at a Metallica concert. Maybe
you know, you do what you want sort of thing.
(03:35):
But are the different rules seated versus the snake pit?
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Well probably the mosh pit was pretty tame, but certainly
I think go for your life. Yeah, it's a rock
and roll concert, it's not somethingy. How good was it?
It would be up there in my top five. I
have seen him three times before, but not in this
big of venue, so in Eden Park. I mean, it's
my first concert at Eden Park. I spent a lot
of time watching a rugby at Eden Park. But what
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a fantastic, incredibly well run event, really small, there's no
cuse for toilets, food, drinks, nothing. It was just a
pleasure to be there.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Fantastic and someone who I'm not sure if he would
have been there, but as he is, it does share
one thing comedy. He's a silver Fox and it's a
Pete wolf Camp. Hey, Pete, so not your thing? Metallica?
Speaker 5 (04:19):
No, I mean I appreciate it, but no, I'm not
going to fork out to go and see them.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
To be blunt. How loud was it? Kyle? What? Well?
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Actually, honestly, it wasn't too bad. They had the sound
mixed really well, so it didn't actually need to be
ridiculously loud.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Well, that's actually the whole point about volume, isn't it.
Usually if it feels loud, it's probably because something's out
of whack. But balance wise, Yeah, did was it? Okay?
You've seen Metallica three times before or two times before
plus this one? Whatever? Which which did you prefer?
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Look?
Speaker 4 (04:50):
The other time was ninety two and ninety eight. It
was a long time ago. They were nowhere near as
big then. This is certainly a much more polished show
and James het feels so. But this time that probably
helped a little too.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Yeah, that is that's always good anyway, Well, good stuff,
let's move on show we Yeah, if your love actually no, Pete,
I'll ask you what sort of concert would you go
to eden Park for? Do you think what would what
would be the thing you had done?
Speaker 5 (05:13):
I don't think I've actually been to a concert at
eden Park.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
I'm just trying to think what would you go to?
I mean I went to was.
Speaker 5 (05:22):
Silence as I haven't go back a wee. While I
do a lot of the driving and dropping off the concert.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Going, I haven't been to a lot of Actually the
last big concert I went, oh god, this is a
long time ago. I mean it was Elton John and
Billy Joel together, I think is the one I remember
the most, when they were both touring under the Together.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
No, the last time I tried to go to a
concert was Elton John after he came back after getting
crooked the first time on the day of the floods
in Auckland twenty twenty three. There you go. So I
was there, but it didn't last long.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
No fuma. Okay. Anyway, well I'm glad that the metallica
this time delivered for you. There, Kyle, so hey, let's
get into it now. Today the fishing protest, there were
more than five vehicles, many of them tying boats across
the Auckland Harbor and a protest against well, basically aspects
of the Haraki Gulf Marine Protection Act where there have
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been some existing marine reserves established. There's five seafloor protection zones.
But what people were really protesting about, if I'm to
read the blackcards on the boats, is that commercial ring
net fishing operators were granted exclusive use of two of
the areas in a late stage amendment, which does would
get my hackles up if I was a fisherman.
Speaker 5 (06:37):
Pete, Yeah, And I mean maybe it's the late stage
amendment that that got to them and the notion that
are part of that reserve is going to be exclusively
used for commercial fishes, whether that's a practical solution in
the sense that it's a fairly large area private or
you know, fisher people can go where they want and
let the commercial people work out there and maybe it's
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a way of managing that particular area. Certainly, the you know,
the convoy was impressive by all accounts. I'm not sure
that you know. I've read a couple of comments about
you know that it's sort of our writers locals to
go out and have a fish and bring home fish
for the family and that sort of thing. And I
see a late model range Rover towing about a six
meter boat with twin outboards, and I'm going you could
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probably take a little tinney off the local beach and
catch fish as well. So I'm not sure it's really
about providing fish for the family.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
No, No, I mean it's although you'd want to. If
you can fish, you wouldn't want to be paying commercial
prices for it. Either. You're offended that someone else. That's
where you can see there why they're offended if commercial
fishes are able to go in and do their thing.
What do you reckon, Kyle?
Speaker 5 (07:39):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Look, I'm not a big fisherman, but I've got a
couple of mates who very much and I do love
a good protest, So good on them, you know, getting
out there and expressing their view and making it KNOWNE
look made of mine, who I spoke to actually this
week about this, was saying that, you know, even and
he's sixty and even in his lifetime, he's seen the
effect of the availability of recreational fishing in the Gulf.
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You know, no cray fish. You know, fifteen years ago
they could bring home, you know, whatever the limit of
a crayfish was with a couple of divers. And it's
the commercial guys that are depleting and not the recreational guys.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
I think we can It does seem anachronistic, or if
it's the right word for to be a couple of
I haven't seen the reasons why they put those allowed
that particular couple of areas, which would grind my gears.
I guess, how is there a way of protesting where
you really win hearts and minds? Because I was cycling
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around Tommicky Drive. My wife and I went for a
bike ride this morning, and of course we're not phab
we're not inhibited in any respect because you're on a
bike and you can weaver around the vehicles. But I
did notice, I mean, it's a busy area, it's a
beautiful day, a lot of Aucklanders want to get out
and enjoy, and some of them were deliberately just driving
like walking pace, and if you wanted to get anywhere
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around there, you weren't going anywhere, And instantly I would
be completely switched off from being interested in your cause.
I'd just be thinking, Okay, protest, toot your horns, but
don't be dicks. What do you think?
Speaker 4 (09:08):
I think the whole point of a protest is to
be raising the profile and being creating some degree of
inconvenience or civil you know, civil disobedience. I mean, it's
a bit like saying that, you know, strikes should happen
on weekends. It's kind of pointless, isn't it. I mean,
the whole point of making a statement is to actually
garner some attention.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
But they were tooting their horns, they were driving this
impressive convoy. I don't I just wonder if that was enough,
That's all I'm saying. As I said, it made no
difference to my weekend. But I thought if I was
someone looking forward to coming out and exercising my freedom
as an Aucklander to go to the beach around the
bays there, I would have been I'm not sure if
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it would have won me over. In fact, I'm absolutely positive,
wouldn't it. I'd just be like, Ah, that's the I mean,
that's the thing, isn't it. You raise awareness, but do
you raise sympathy? What do you reckon? Pete?
Speaker 5 (09:59):
I'm not sure if it's about sympathy. And I mean
I agree with Kylon since that protests should be about disruption, right, that's.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Why protest pressing other people off to some.
Speaker 5 (10:08):
Well, if you're going to get attention, right, I mean
they could have driven at the speed limit and people
are just thinking they must be really good fishing down
the road and you're off to the same spot, right,
so so driving slowly and look the guys are all
driving it as.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Especially spot.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
At least we all knew, right. So I happen to
live on the shore. I had some rands to run
today and I'm thinking, Okay, I'm not going to try
and get across the city this morning because I know
it's going to be disruptive, so you plan around it.
So I just wonder that if you got stuck in it,
it's your own stupid fault.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
To be fair, Ah, that's a bad heart.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
It's not like people didn't know it was front page
of the Herald this morning when I woke up.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Glad to hear you out and I'm bike this morning, Tim.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Yes, it's what's my new thing.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
You know, that's the best way to avoid inconvenience and.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
And you know it almost makes makes me a greenie,
doesn't it.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
You know almost, But from the fact that I don't,
there's a little bit agreed on your share.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Sorry that stuff anyway, Actually, it's funny I did. One
of them did actually almost win me back to the cause,
because there there was one guy who was in his
driving slowly and it was just constantly on the horn,
and it actually was a really loud horn, and I thought,
as it got closer, I thought, this is actually not okay.
And I turned around and stuck one of my fingers
in my ear as a gesture like, hey, can you
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just give it a rest?
Speaker 2 (11:33):
And he did.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
He stopped and drove past and then carried on tooting.
But I thought, okay, I've softened my softened my stance
because one reasonable person there anyway, Well, actually, will it
makeing it? That's the thing, does it? What actually happens after.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
Is it's already law, right, So if you're going to protest.
Protest before it becomes legislation, not afterwards. It's hell of
a lot easier to change it.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
I do wonder if some of them we are driving around,
I saw a couple of boats sort of stop on
the way to Mission Bay and just do a U turn,
and I almost one of them turned around with an
urgency that it almost gave me the impression. He just like, oh,
bugger this, it's a gorgeous da I'm going to go fishing.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
Yeah, so it text from his mate.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
It's gone off where it makes a difference. We're on
the countdown to next year's.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Election, of course, so who's going to be in the
gun for this, well, because it's I think a lot
of the placards will having a crack at Shane Jones
was getting a real pasting. So yeah, I mean interesting
to see. Maybe Winston can do a one on this one.
After the like the REGI Regulate your Standards bill that
they all voted for and raved about in two days later,
(12:35):
he's like, I'm not doing it. Anything's possible, Winston there,
retail retail politician, God to love them not youre Hey, look,
this was an interesting report from Business New Zealand and
it talked about that New Zealand faces a labor shortage
of at least a quarter of a million people by
twenty forty five without policy reform. It's a long, long
(12:57):
term vision for the country. But the other one that
stood out for me, which I think is an easy
one to get your head around, is it reckoned that
New Zealand's needs to reach a population of ten million
people by around twenty sixty, which would and I had
to look at the stats, would involve quite an acceleration
about what our growth has been since nineteen fifty five
or whatever. What were your thoughts on at Kyle.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
Well, we're going to need a lot more houses and
trains and public transport and hospitals. I mean, that's the
thing that I think. You know, it's very easy to
start throwing immigration numbers around, but we have a huge
infrastructure dead so when you're going to need someone to
put these ten minute extra five million people, aren't we
So it's a long term plan, but I think in
the short term the worry is the number of young
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people leaving the country to go to Australia. I mean,
you know, when you look at that number of two
hundred and fifty thousand. How does that compare to just
the number that's left in the last couple of years
for us?
Speaker 3 (13:49):
What do you recompete?
Speaker 5 (13:52):
Again, I agree with Colin since around the infrastructure stuff.
But then there's a little bit of horse and cart
type thing. You know, do you build the infrastructure and
the hope that you'll fill the space up or do
you wait for the demand the revenue that's iterated from
the tax and the employment and the opportunity that comes
with having a larger population and then so you know,
(14:14):
you can invest, Yes, and we need to. One thing
is fantastic that someone's actually starting to think long term
because I think so often we tend to think very
short term. And I guess this is the three year
electoral term of local body politics, right, It's what do
I need to say to get elected and what can
I do in three years? Whereas we should be thinking
thirty years ahead, forty years fifty years ahead. And then
(14:35):
I you know, I'm sort of in discussions with people,
particularly around construction and manufacturing and so on, and one
of the things that is often an issue is there's
just not enough of us right to be a fully
modern society. People travel overseas and they go, why does
the subway work? Why is there this manufacturing? Why are
these they're these opportunities because there's lots of people.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Well there's a I mean, that's the thing with all
the big cities. You look and you're going to Sydney
or Melbourne or London or wherever, and you go look
at the wonderful Well there's a population of millions of
people supporting that infrastructure, which has made why the challenge
for Auckland and you know, even much bigger challenges for
much smaller cities to get that infrastructure, isn't it Kyle.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Yeah, it is. And of course the other thing about
that is when it comes to their public infrastructure is
tax take as well. I mean, you know, if you've
got more people, you're getting more tax take. But I mean,
I agree with you there needs to be much more
of a focus on the long term planning. I mean,
you know, I was saving this conversation with a couple
of people this week about even though you know, I'm
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pretty behind the idea that some of the things that
have been put in place in the last three years
are going to be repealed by the next government, it's
pretty frustrating if we're going to spend the next you know,
thirty years just going backwards and forwards between two extreme positions,
rather than settling on a direction for the country and
sticking with it.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
We weren't always flip flopping in two extreme positions. It
seemed that left and right were closer together in days gonepire.
Or is that me just having gold sort of I
mean raised into glasses.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
On Yeah, probably, But also you know, in a fizz
past the post situation where we had predominantly two parties
for the last fifty or sixty years post war, that's
what you had, whereas now there is the center, but
then there's the right and left, and the right and
left are much more entrenched.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
What's much more group think now, isn't there? And we
don't have that sense of people crossing the floor for things,
and it's all so tribal now, it's just and we've
got the walker jumping law and all those sorts of
things that just feel I don't know, I'm not sure
I'm particularly happy with the state of our electoral system
or politics at the moment, but there we go. That's
just a general grumble you can't really answer for anyway, Hey,
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zid B. Yes, welcome back to the Weekend collect to
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My guests are car McDonald's psychotherapist and host of the
Nutterers Club and some days something to look at your
cal and go you actually are that officially the host,
aren't you? That's right? And Pete wolf Camp resident builder.
I got that right, there didn't a psychotherapist and yes,
there we go. Anyway, Now, this is a tricky one
in a way because it's so political and there's so
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many entrenched positions on this. But the government halting new
prescriptions of puberty blockers for young people with gender dysphoria,
talking about a precautionary approach needed while evidence remains uncertain
and I'm not even going to name the well, I
name the drugs. Okay, they're known as GONE and no
I'm not going to I suddenly looked at it. But anyway,
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they will remain available for people who are using them
for gender dysphoria, as well as medical conditions like early
onset pubertal puberty, endometriasis, and prostate cancer. So anyway, lack
of scientific evidence on this and a need for clinical
trials to assess the results. Other countries have already gone
down this route before. Kyle, what do you reckon on
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this problematic issue.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
Yeah, I'm pretty concerned about this from the point of
view of the mental health impacts, or at least the
potential for them. I think a bit of information for
people really for this. Firstly, what these medications actually do
for people who are experiencing genders for is they actually
just pause puberty. They don't set a person on any
particular course. They pause the process, and often that enables
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people to get support and have some space and time
with the experts and with their family to figure out
what's actually going on. And there are certainly lots of
cases where people stop those drugs and continue on the
natural course of puberty. After sort of some intervention of
getting some thinking around that. I'm not so sure that
the evidence is uncertain. I mean, these drugs have been
used really safely for precocious puberty with kids since the eighties.
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We're kind of following the position of UK and a
couple of other countries around the world, whilst the majority
of Western countries are actually continuing to prescribe them. So
that's the specific but I mean I think the general bit,
which I think is important also to mention term is
it actually it's politicians intervening in a way with ideology
over healthyare experts. All of the leading medical bodies, the
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Psychological Society, the Psychotherapists Association, all have a clear position
on this, and the government's going against what a lot
of the credible experts are actually saying.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
I think there are other credible experts who are concerned
with the actual physical side effects of these drugs, though,
aren't they like osteoporosis and things like that.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
And I think when you actually look at the literature,
those have actually been overstated and they're actually really quite
straightforward to manage. They're also often not people aren't actually
on these for very long periods of time, So I think,
you know, like you said, it's divisive, but I'm concerned
about the fact that I actually think this will lead
to increased suicide and self harm rates again in this
population of kids who already have a really high self
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harm and suicide higher than any other minority.
Speaker 5 (20:12):
What do you Reconpete, Look, this is a long way
out of my wheelhouse. So I guess I speak as
a parent of a teenager, as someone who's involved in education,
I guess as a board member at a school. Right,
So these are the sorts of challenges that our young
people are facing. I guess that you can. I suppose
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I can sort of understand where the government's coming from
in the sense that is this something that's been driven
by populism, that it's become something that happens and then
more and more people have this issue where they might
not have done so in the past. But that's a
political thing, right, and that's an ideological thing. And so again,
not wanting to constantly agree with you, Carle, I do
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see where you're coming from in terms of you know,
what's is this a space that the government needs to
be in and are they actually protecting someone from harm
or is there a narrative that comes from people's lived
experience where there you know, I can't imagine the stress
and distress that comes from, you know, as a parent
to a child who comes to you and says, look,
(21:17):
I'm really not sure that I am who I am
and who I want to be and what can we
do about that? But obviously this is something that your
do you I think from time to time, and then.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
Yeah, I think there is space. I mean I think
you know, in this space when you think about what
does intervention look like?
Speaker 5 (21:33):
Sure?
Speaker 4 (21:35):
And I think I would hope. My hope is the
one thing that all sides could agree on that intervention
needs to involve support for the young person and space
to be able to think through what their experience is.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
I've got to be honest, I would be worried that
if there's some sort of genitus for you, that an
early thing is like, let's slam in the puberty blockers,
but when from the stuff? I mean, look, we'd have
to be a bunch of scientists arguing about this, couldn't
we But it doesn't seem to me that there is
certainty around whether there have been in a clinical trials
and whether they're safe. But you've got the psychological thing
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and the medical side. But I think I saw someone
on the news last night who said that it was
a political thing because the scientists haven't sorted it out.
That I can't remember. She almost wasn't like, she wasn't
criticizing the politicians for stepping in, But she's saying that
science hasn't worked out what's the right thing to do.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Is yet, Yeah, I mean that's true. I mean there
aren't There aren't clear studies that show that they are safe.
There's also not a lot of evidence that shows that
they aren't safe. And to give a sense of how
this works, I mean antidepressants the front lines. Antidepressants are
actually not clinically proven frado lescens but we prescribe them
all the time to teenagers with supervision because we know
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that they work and when we get desperate for any
other kind of alternative. So it's not that unusual in
the medical field for that evidence to be thin, but
for treatments to be used when they really really needed.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
I think the other thing is, and I can't remember
where I read this as well, is that puberty itself
not actually a disease, but it's part of the whole
genderuspharia issue. And I think that's whereas if you've got
a problem with depression or whatever, if there's a disease
you're trying to cure, but puberty itself isn't a disease.
And I think that's where it starts to get a
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bit blurry on what are we trying to fix here?
But you're not going to get the answers listening to me.
There are we but it is, I mean, but it's
a complex issue. So anyway, but it does lead into
it does lead into another topic, which which is on
that sort of side of the ledger the Breakers refusing
to wear the Pride jersey or logo and Pride Week
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next where next year in the NBL Pride round now,
I saw the former NRL player Ian Roberts, who has
to be one of the braver guys around who in
nineteen ninety five came out and he's really got stuck
into the Breakers and said it's cowardly, and you know,
basically he's got no time for any you think. So
if you're going to be a big at, just don't
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up that you're a bigot, and that I think.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
Not wearing applied flag doesn't make you a bigot.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
I'm not sure if I got the language right, but
he used some strong language around it. But the breakers
are doing because they don't want they don't they want
to act as a team, I guess. And maybe there
were going to be players who refused to wear it,
and I would have thought, of you don't want to
wear it, man, maybe you should have the courage of
your convictions not to do it rather than the whole team.
And anyway, what do you I'll go with you first, peak,
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So we went with Kyle first.
Speaker 5 (24:37):
It's just that notion. I mean, I need story, so
I just plus to be really clear.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
Sorry, this isn't.
Speaker 5 (24:45):
No in the sense that but does the team have
to wear one? You know there's a bit of group
think here as well that that suddenly every social body,
every sports organization, every community board, DA DA, DA, da
DA has to make a statement about every single social issue.
They're a sports team, why don't they just get on
play sport?
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Because it's the whole league, everyone's doing it, So what is.
Speaker 5 (25:09):
The league bothering?
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Well, it's not, I guess. Why does what does the
league have? Why do they have sponsors? Why do they
have any relationship with anyone. I guess would be the
thing sponsors bring up because they decide that pride to
you know, that's something they want to support. I guess
that because they're still within within sport. There's still a
stigma for some people about whether you're gay, straight, whatever.
L G B two Q I A. I've lost all
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the initials. Kyle. Before I throw to you, I got
to I looked at him just sort of thought, oh,
just it. I don't think it's a great look for
the team. I thought, just we're the badge for goodness sake.
I mean, you know, it's it's it's a movement that's
happening for one week next year.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Just do it?
Speaker 3 (25:49):
What do you reckon?
Speaker 5 (25:49):
Call?
Speaker 4 (25:51):
Look, I might be sounding like I'm contradicting myself here,
but actually I I think it's a free speech issue fundamentally,
I think, and I think if as a team they've
decided that that's how they wish to express themselves, then
I think they should be able to do that. The
thing they are, the thing that we often forget about
free speech is there's also consequences for that right. So
they can take that stance and they can express that
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and they can stand behind the team members who presumably
have strong personal convictions about not wanting to do that,
which they're entitled to have. The tricky thing is, then,
is what does that mean for things like sponsorship for
you know, for members of the Pride community that may
or may not be breakers, fans or wanting to take,
you know, to take their support away from that team.
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So I think, you know, fair enough they can do that,
and then I guess they can live with whatever happens
as a consequence.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Actually, that is I'm glad you made that point, because
when people are criticized for something, they're going, are you
telling me I can't have free speech? It's like, no, no,
I'm just exercising my free speech and telling you that
I disagree with you.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
I do wonder sometimes, though, as well, how much how
effective the rainbow tick and the sort of the corporate
side of Pride endorsement actually is. I mean, you could
make an argument too that well, at least these people
are taking a principlal stance rather than that you're doing
the hollow version to rather than just sort of wearing
it anyway and shutting up.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Yeah, although principal stance would be actually just the individual
saying I'm not going to wear it and exercising their
free speech rather than the team going will safety in
numbers we do I want you to be.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Look i've did found what Actually I do know. I
think it's a bad look for them, and I just
think that why why wouldn't they unless they've got some
It just makes you worry about what attitudes that a
little thing with a three millimeter border of a rainbow
around you, that's literally what it is. I think is
suddenly a.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
Progress they're trying to stop. What happened to is Ralph
Filau right, which was that he got some good out
sort of globally for not participating in the sum So.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Yeah, Ian Roberts, who was the person I was quoting before,
who was the guy who came out in nine to
nine five NRL play for the Manly Sea Eagles. He's
he says, their absolute cards. Yes he did. He said,
call it for what it is. This is homophobia. It's
bigotree at least had the carriage and standard and say, yeah,
I'm against this. I'm not for same sex people being
same sex attracted. I'm totally post then and I won't
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wear the badge, and he talks about the consequences can
be catastrophic kids who are dealing with their sexuality, and
you've got dickheads like this who want to jump up
and wave their religious book or culture or culture.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
So he.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Didn't.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
He didn't, He didn't. You don't die wondering.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
It's funny.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
I remember when he came around the time he came out,
I sat, I think, in a seat just in front
of him on a plane back in Australia, and I
just remember thinking, mate, no one is going to tangle
with you. No matter what he was. He was a
big unit anyway. Be and Zied said, the chief sponsor
for them have said they're not happy with them, But
I guess I don't know what it means. We thrash
(28:44):
it out and we move on and we will form
our opinions. And we've discussed it in Hallelujah, Pete, he
got this look on you.
Speaker 5 (28:53):
It's not a fully formed opinion on my part. It's
just that, well, we have come to the right place.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (28:59):
Does every single organization need to support every single worthy cause?
Did they just get on with being who they are,
which is a sports team playing sport for people's entertainment.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Yeah, I guess it's the decision the League made and
the way we go. And they don't have to by
the way, so we just as they say, they're not
being made to wear it, so everyone wins for possibly. Anyway,
tell you what, we have thrashed that out for quite
a while, so we've got to come back and with
our next topic, which is Old Trump pushing a deal
on Ukraine to do a deal with Russia for a ceasefire.
(29:33):
Is it? What do you reckon about that? We'll be
talking about that in just the tickets twenty one minutes
before Yes News talks there be. This is the panel
with cal MacDonald and Pete wolf Camp. Now Trump's trying
to push this Ukraine to do a deal with Russia.
In fact, I think he's given them till Thanksgiving, which
is five days away to do it. But anyway, European
(29:54):
leaders in the UN are calling for greater involvement from
Ukraine because this was a deal worked out by the
US and Russia without any involvement from Ukraine and involves
giving up a swathe of eastern territory and slashing its military.
I mean, I don't know I don't know what to say.
I just sort of think it's ridiculous that they think
(30:14):
that Ukrainians are going to have fought for so many
years just for Trump to say right, and the Americans
are threatening to pull their intelligence if they don't do
a deal to give Putin exactly what he wants Kyl.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
I think the whole thing is very strange. I mean,
I've thought from the beginning of how the US has
waded into this. I mean, it must be maddening for
you know, for Kiev, for the Ukrainians, I mean, for Zelenski.
It's like the flip flopping that happens, and it does
seem like, unfortunately, like with most things, Trump's main approach
is to sort of bully. Really, it's not really much
(30:46):
of a peace deal. If Kiev haven't been involved. They're
just being told to accept invasion and they're.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Not going to. I mean, and I mean, obviously Europe
has to step up as well, but I mean the
idea that I mean, that Ukraine should slash its military
in half is just one of the dumbest things you
can imagine, because of course that's what Putin. So when
he decides he's amassed a few more troops, he'll give
it another note and take over some more territory. Peak.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
Yeah, no, I think it's staggering. I mean, you get
it from a Trumpian point of view. It's a deal
that I can claim to have broke it and I
have ended the war. And that's my ninth one, isn't it?
And barently apparently, But yeah, it's I'll do a deal
with Russia, who have invaded your country. You're going to
(31:31):
give up a great big chunk of it, and then
you'll be happy for it, and, as you say, reduced
the sciety of military making you weaker going forward acually.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
I just with a friend about this, and I say
we were just sort of mulling over the idea that
Trump's I don't think Trump does these deals because he
wants peace. I think Trump does things chriss. He wants
to add to his trophy cabinet of things that he
can claim to have achieved at any price, and it's
all about getting the deal done and pursuing that Nobel Prize.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
Which transactional, transactional. I don't know if you saw the
recent news in the last is just in the last
few hours about the meeting with Mandani, and it's been
you know, applauded as going really well. And he seemed
to really like Mandani, and he said it was okay
to call him a fascist and all sorts of weird
things in a meeting. And I saw someone explaining it
as the problem with Trump from the point of view
(32:17):
of the Republicans is he's not actually wedded particularly to
any of the ideas that he starts throwing around, even
the extreme ones, because he's entirely transactional. This guy's really popular.
So now all of a sudden, he wants to get
alongside him and shake his hand. He wants to get
the deal done so he can added to the list
of things that he's done, you know, and stuff the consequences.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Yeah, oh well, I don't shakedown.
Speaker 5 (32:37):
Yeah, it's a good old I remember reading an article
sometime last year. You know, you look at Trump and
it's it's like a good old fashioned mafia shakedown. No,
that's what it feels like. Come in, sit in with me.
I'll break you in front of the world's press, shake
you down, and then I'll get a deal out of it.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
Yeah. Oh well, it's not a deal that's going to
happen is it. Hey, the Cambridge word of the year
now it's and the Cambridge Dictionaries word of the Year
is Paris. And it's defined as a relationship felt by
someone between themselves and a famous person they don't know,
and it's connected with social media that idea.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
But of course.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
Fans have often felt that before social media that they
had a relationship with their favorite celebrity, I guess. But
it's more intense now because everyone's sharing every detail of
their lives and people feel they really are Taylor's What's
best friend, don't they? Kyle?
Speaker 4 (33:29):
Yeah, I mean, like you say, fandom is pretty easily understand.
I mean from a psychological point of view, it's it's
sort of idealizing something that you wish to be, or
you know, the ideal person or the ideal partner, or
you know, investing a lot of emotional energy, and it
kind of makes sense. The difference, of course, is that
you know, in my day would have a poster on
the wall of Kirk Cobain, but I wouldn't see a
(33:50):
photo from him every day of what he was seeing
for breakfast, so you know, the relationship, But that aspect
I think is really quite different and quite a lot
more intense for people.
Speaker 5 (33:58):
Pete, I think it's I think it's an absolutely brilliant
word summarizing a situation that again I'm going to I'm
just going to say it, realizing that I'll probably sound
like a pretension.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
No, You've come to the right place.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
So it's a weird.
Speaker 5 (34:15):
Thing, you know, I did all those years working on
TV and The Block and that sort of thing, and
people form a relationship with you and they so like
I'm at the supermarket and someone turns and goes, oh, Hi,
how are you now, I don't know them, right, they
don't actually know me, but after ten series of The
Block and all the rest of people get that sense. Wow.
(34:36):
So this word explains that phenomena perfectly.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
Actually, I guess when you're in the media, though, people
do get to know you. I mean, you host the
Resident Builder as well, and I talk back and people
would feel if they'd never met me physically, that if
they've listened, that they would know.
Speaker 5 (34:51):
But a lot of it's always and they'll feel connected
and that's as long as they say hello, as opposed
to get stuffy situation. Good word though, fantastic with just
tying into that is that the revelation that half of
teenagers there's been a survey reckon that they had This
(35:11):
is looking back, they reckon they had access to social
media too young in life, with nearly four out of
ten saying they wish social media had never been invented.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
Wow. Which and we see what Australia is doing with
bounding access to social media, Kyle, I do wonder if
we saw the news about the phone ban and most
schools saying how well it's working, that we're in Australia's
slipstream and we're not. I think we're going to keep
in there.
Speaker 4 (35:37):
What do you think it's? The problem is nuance goes
out at the window, a like with a lot of
these things. I have a lot of trouble with it
B four sixteen idea because I think it's blanket and
as you know, my libertarian bones start shuttering the idea
that the government can start to tell me how to
parent my children in that respect. On the other hand,
I get it from the point of view that there's
(35:58):
evidence of harm, but the other side of it is, actually,
how do you stop under sixteen year olds getting online?
And you institute a digital ad system for everybody which
means us handing over more information about who we are
and our age and so on and so forth. And
you know what, kids are smart. They'll just get a
VPN all of a sudden. Now they're in Fiji, not
(36:18):
New Zealand. So I think we have to be looking
at actually, how do we do? Think the school band
has been fantastic. Our school had one before the requirement.
I think also actually families and parents need to take
responsibility for how they engage with their kids about their devices,
how they model it with their own devices as adults,
and how you actually make getting off your phone and
(36:38):
doing things with the family and with friends more attractive
than being on your phone. Pete.
Speaker 5 (36:44):
I mean, look, I think the phone ban at school
genius right now, and for all of the upset, the
only again our experiences. And it was a comment from
a teacher the other day. It's an all boys' school, right,
he said, once it came in, we've got a lot
more punch ups a right, which is so instead of
kids one distracted I'm not serious, No, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
Instead of sending it a man angry they want to
cross the playground and punch.
Speaker 5 (37:10):
Someone because when they're not just boys when they're not
just staring at their phone, scrolling through whatever for hours
and hours, and then suddenly they've got to talk to someone,
and then they realized they got a beef, and so
they have it out and it was you know, it's
like going back forty years. It was awesome. But also again,
you know, if you're parenting, look, let's just call it
(37:31):
what it is. If it's neglectful, right, if you're just
not engaged with your kids, and your kids just spend
hours on a device, then I guess the state does
need to step in and stop you from being a
I think parent.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
I think sometimes though it supports like with the phone band,
it supported schools who's already having that, And I think
there'll probably be a lot of parents out there who'd
like a bit more than just like because we say
so and we're isolating you from all your friends. There
is that support of like, look, it's not even allowed, honey,
you're not going to have it to year sixteen. And
I actually do want I'm not sure if we're going
(38:07):
to be successful in this, but I think we're going
to be close to fifteen or sixteen before they get
on social media.
Speaker 5 (38:12):
Although but you can determine that for yourself, right as
an engaged parent where you're monitoring it and so on.
And you know, we've been through the same thing. I
think Justin probably had Instagram or something from prior to sixteen.
Everyone uses it for messaging, group chats, all of those
sorts of things. Yeah, there's a bit of toxicity in it,
but there's also a little bit of that is connection. Yea,
(38:35):
So the.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
Thing but where the nuance comes in is it Actually
it's a bit like to throw another spanner in the words,
because a bit like alcohol. Right, Yes, we have an
age limit with alcohol, but alcohol is a problem for
the people for whom it's a problem. And you know,
from my point of view, the people for whom it's
a problem generally I've got other things going on, whether
that be trauma or things going on in their life.
And actually the research about social media use is pretty
(38:58):
much the same, which is kids who don't have any
mental health difficulties seem to suffer very little ill effects.
In fact, there's a like positive effect kids who are struggling,
even if it's having a bad day, it amplifies the negatrovity.
So it's not quite as clear cut there as all
social media bad all the time for everybody.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
Either, right, we need to take a quick break and
we'll be back. And just to take this as the
panel on the Weekend Collective, it is eight minutes to
four news talks. They'd be with just about a minute
to go with Cayle McDonald and Pete wolf Camp. Guys,
are you into the Black Friday sales at all? Or
do you bought it? Like the plague? You finally buy
things you don't need to beat?
Speaker 5 (39:32):
No, but I do need a washing machine, so yeah,
that's great.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
Oh, a new washing machine? Which is Black Friday of
the r City prayers? What do you think you should
wait till a couple of weeks?
Speaker 5 (39:40):
One hundred bucks off? How much? Three hundred on? How
much is it one hundred down to agree?
Speaker 3 (39:44):
That's not okay? I'll buy that by that for a dollar?
What about you, Kyla? You're black?
Speaker 4 (39:49):
Do you get sucked in by the I've spent a
few dollars on a few bits and pieces of early
Christmas present so I can't say what they are because
they might be listening.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
But what were they? Just?
Speaker 4 (39:58):
Do you research? It's always the same.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Do you research? Yeah? And actually there's so many good
blogs and things, and concer Umor will be out there
comparing the Black Friday sales and things and anyway, I must,
I do like to scrawl at scrolling just to see
if there's anything by Myselven you Oven. Anyway, Hey guys,
thank you so much for coming in. Pete wolf Camp,
Cal McDonald, thank you.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
We'll be back.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
Next with the One roof radio show David Grubb. He's
ahead of a banking and valuation at Velocity, talking about
well just what can be seen as ways of adding
value to your house and also of past performance a
reliable guide to future success.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
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Speaker 2 (01:18):
David Grubb.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
He is a head of banking and valuation at Velocity,
talking about the process of valuing a house and also
as past performance in a market a guide to future success.
We'll touch on that as well. Hopefully we've got time
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five Nathan Wallace is with us for the Parents Squad,
talking about that line. I'm an invisible line between family
(01:43):
and friends time over the summer when you know you
might say to you your kids, actually, no, you're not
going away with you with another group of people for
a while because this is family time and we're off.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
To wherever you're going.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
And also should parents cut off relationships that they don't
approve of for their children or when should they do it?
I guess? And shortly before six for the sports rap
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You've got their fun qualifying will be happening at five o'clock.
Black Caps and West Indies underway and All Blacks and
Whales tomorrow I'm guessing I think that's probably at four am,
(02:16):
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with Christopher Reeve. So yeah, lots to get into. Welcome
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Speaker 1 (02:26):
Insightful, entertaining and always bold points of Tim Beverage on
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Speaker 3 (02:32):
Yes, and a couple of silver Foxes on our panel today.
I'm judging one by the hair on top and one
by the hair under the gin. First up it's psychotherapist
and it's car McDonald. Well you are I was thinking, yes,
you are a silver fox.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
It's fair enough. It's definitely gone gray around the muzzle.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Yeah, it's a distinguished it's kind of and I can
imagine you looking pretty good rocking out at the Metallica
concert You've just got. I can just see that working
for you.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
Were there, I was fron center, not quite in the
snake pit, but yeah, pretty close to the stage is fantastic.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
What happens in the snake pit.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
You pay a lot of money to get really close
to the band basically, and.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
You're standing Yeah, yeah, okay. Actually somebody Heather was talking
about in the seated section, there was someone who stood
up and was sort of waving and you know, first
bumping and doing the whole all the gestures and stuff.
But he was sort of on his own, and in
the end people just said sit down. And here this
tape was. You know, you're at a Metallica concert. Maybe
you know, you do what you want sort of thing.
(03:35):
But are the different rules seated versus the snake pit?
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Well probably the mosh pit was pretty tame, but certainly
I think go for your life. Yeah, it's a rock
and roll concert, it's not somethingy. How good was it?
It would be up there in my top five. I
have seen him three times before, but not in this
big of venue, so in Eden Park. I mean, it's
my first concert at Eden Park. I spent a lot
of time watching a rugby at Eden Park. But what
(04:01):
a fantastic, incredibly well run event, really small, there's no
cuse for toilets, food, drinks, nothing. It was just a
pleasure to be there.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Fantastic and someone who I'm not sure if he would
have been there, but as he is, it does share
one thing comedy. He's a silver Fox and it's a
Pete wolf Camp. Hey, Pete, so not your thing? Metallica?
Speaker 5 (04:19):
No, I mean I appreciate it, but no, I'm not
going to fork out to go and see them.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
To be blunt. How loud was it? Kyle? What? Well?
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Actually, honestly, it wasn't too bad. They had the sound
mixed really well, so it didn't actually need to be
ridiculously loud.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Well, that's actually the whole point about volume, isn't it.
Usually if it feels loud, it's probably because something's out
of whack. But balance wise, Yeah, did was it? Okay?
You've seen Metallica three times before or two times before
plus this one? Whatever? Which which did you prefer?
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Look?
Speaker 4 (04:50):
The other time was ninety two and ninety eight. It
was a long time ago. They were nowhere near as
big then. This is certainly a much more polished show
and James het feels so. But this time that probably
helped a little too.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Yeah, that is that's always good anyway, Well, good stuff,
let's move on show we Yeah, if your love actually no, Pete,
I'll ask you what sort of concert would you go
to eden Park for? Do you think what would what
would be the thing you had done?
Speaker 5 (05:13):
I don't think I've actually been to a concert at
eden Park.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
I'm just trying to think what would you go to?
I mean I went to was.
Speaker 5 (05:22):
Silence as I haven't go back a wee. While I
do a lot of the driving and dropping off the concert.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Going, I haven't been to a lot of Actually the
last big concert I went, oh god, this is a
long time ago. I mean it was Elton John and
Billy Joel together, I think is the one I remember
the most, when they were both touring under the Together.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
No, the last time I tried to go to a
concert was Elton John after he came back after getting
crooked the first time on the day of the floods
in Auckland twenty twenty three. There you go. So I
was there, but it didn't last long.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
No fuma. Okay. Anyway, well I'm glad that the metallica
this time delivered for you. There, Kyle, so hey, let's
get into it now. Today the fishing protest, there were
more than five vehicles, many of them tying boats across
the Auckland Harbor and a protest against well, basically aspects
of the Haraki Gulf Marine Protection Act where there have
(06:15):
been some existing marine reserves established. There's five seafloor protection zones.
But what people were really protesting about, if I'm to
read the blackcards on the boats, is that commercial ring
net fishing operators were granted exclusive use of two of
the areas in a late stage amendment, which does would
get my hackles up if I was a fisherman.
Speaker 5 (06:37):
Pete, Yeah, And I mean maybe it's the late stage
amendment that that got to them and the notion that
are part of that reserve is going to be exclusively
used for commercial fishes, whether that's a practical solution in
the sense that it's a fairly large area private or
you know, fisher people can go where they want and
let the commercial people work out there and maybe it's
(06:57):
a way of managing that particular area. Certainly, the you know,
the convoy was impressive by all accounts. I'm not sure
that you know. I've read a couple of comments about
you know that it's sort of our writers locals to
go out and have a fish and bring home fish
for the family and that sort of thing. And I
see a late model range Rover towing about a six
meter boat with twin outboards, and I'm going you could
(07:19):
probably take a little tinney off the local beach and
catch fish as well. So I'm not sure it's really
about providing fish for the family.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
No, No, I mean it's although you'd want to. If
you can fish, you wouldn't want to be paying commercial
prices for it. Either. You're offended that someone else. That's
where you can see there why they're offended if commercial
fishes are able to go in and do their thing.
What do you reckon, Kyle?
Speaker 5 (07:39):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Look, I'm not a big fisherman, but I've got a
couple of mates who very much and I do love
a good protest, So good on them, you know, getting
out there and expressing their view and making it KNOWNE
look made of mine, who I spoke to actually this
week about this, was saying that, you know, even and
he's sixty and even in his lifetime, he's seen the
effect of the availability of recreational fishing in the Gulf.
(08:04):
You know, no cray fish. You know, fifteen years ago
they could bring home, you know, whatever the limit of
a crayfish was with a couple of divers. And it's
the commercial guys that are depleting and not the recreational guys.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
I think we can It does seem anachronistic, or if
it's the right word for to be a couple of
I haven't seen the reasons why they put those allowed
that particular couple of areas, which would grind my gears.
I guess, how is there a way of protesting where
you really win hearts and minds? Because I was cycling
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around Tommicky Drive. My wife and I went for a
bike ride this morning, and of course we're not phab
we're not inhibited in any respect because you're on a
bike and you can weaver around the vehicles. But I
did notice, I mean, it's a busy area, it's a
beautiful day, a lot of Aucklanders want to get out
and enjoy, and some of them were deliberately just driving
like walking pace, and if you wanted to get anywhere
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around there, you weren't going anywhere, And instantly I would
be completely switched off from being interested in your cause.
I'd just be thinking, Okay, protest, toot your horns, but
don't be dicks. What do you think?
Speaker 4 (09:08):
I think the whole point of a protest is to
be raising the profile and being creating some degree of
inconvenience or civil you know, civil disobedience. I mean, it's
a bit like saying that, you know, strikes should happen
on weekends. It's kind of pointless, isn't it. I mean,
the whole point of making a statement is to actually
garner some attention.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
But they were tooting their horns, they were driving this
impressive convoy. I don't I just wonder if that was enough,
That's all I'm saying. As I said, it made no
difference to my weekend. But I thought if I was
someone looking forward to coming out and exercising my freedom
as an Aucklander to go to the beach around the
bays there, I would have been I'm not sure if
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it would have won me over. In fact, I'm absolutely positive,
wouldn't it. I'd just be like, Ah, that's the I mean,
that's the thing, isn't it. You raise awareness, but do
you raise sympathy? What do you reckon? Pete?
Speaker 5 (09:59):
I'm not sure if it's about sympathy. And I mean
I agree with Kylon since that protests should be about disruption, right, that's.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Why protest pressing other people off to some.
Speaker 5 (10:08):
Well, if you're going to get attention, right, I mean
they could have driven at the speed limit and people
are just thinking they must be really good fishing down
the road and you're off to the same spot, right,
so so driving slowly and look the guys are all
driving it as.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Especially spot.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
At least we all knew, right. So I happen to
live on the shore. I had some rands to run
today and I'm thinking, Okay, I'm not going to try
and get across the city this morning because I know
it's going to be disruptive, so you plan around it.
So I just wonder that if you got stuck in it,
it's your own stupid fault.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
To be fair, Ah, that's a bad heart.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
It's not like people didn't know it was front page
of the Herald this morning when I woke up.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Glad to hear you out and I'm bike this morning, Tim.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Yes, it's what's my new thing.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
You know, that's the best way to avoid inconvenience and.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
And you know it almost makes makes me a greenie,
doesn't it.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
You know almost, But from the fact that I don't,
there's a little bit agreed on your share.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Sorry that stuff anyway, Actually, it's funny I did. One
of them did actually almost win me back to the cause,
because there there was one guy who was in his
driving slowly and it was just constantly on the horn,
and it actually was a really loud horn, and I thought,
as it got closer, I thought, this is actually not okay.
And I turned around and stuck one of my fingers
in my ear as a gesture like, hey, can you
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just give it a rest?
Speaker 2 (11:33):
And he did.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
He stopped and drove past and then carried on tooting.
But I thought, okay, I've softened my softened my stance
because one reasonable person there anyway, Well, actually, will it
makeing it? That's the thing, does it? What actually happens after.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
Is it's already law, right, So if you're going to protest.
Protest before it becomes legislation, not afterwards. It's hell of
a lot easier to change it.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
I do wonder if some of them we are driving around,
I saw a couple of boats sort of stop on
the way to Mission Bay and just do a U turn,
and I almost one of them turned around with an
urgency that it almost gave me the impression. He just like, oh,
bugger this, it's a gorgeous da I'm going to go fishing.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
Yeah, so it text from his mate.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
It's gone off where it makes a difference. We're on
the countdown to next year's.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Election, of course, so who's going to be in the
gun for this, well, because it's I think a lot
of the placards will having a crack at Shane Jones
was getting a real pasting. So yeah, I mean interesting
to see. Maybe Winston can do a one on this one.
After the like the REGI Regulate your Standards bill that
they all voted for and raved about in two days later,
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he's like, I'm not doing it. Anything's possible, Winston there,
retail retail politician, God to love them not youre Hey, look,
this was an interesting report from Business New Zealand and
it talked about that New Zealand faces a labor shortage
of at least a quarter of a million people by
twenty forty five without policy reform. It's a long, long
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term vision for the country. But the other one that
stood out for me, which I think is an easy
one to get your head around, is it reckoned that
New Zealand's needs to reach a population of ten million
people by around twenty sixty, which would and I had
to look at the stats, would involve quite an acceleration
about what our growth has been since nineteen fifty five
or whatever. What were your thoughts on at Kyle.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
Well, we're going to need a lot more houses and
trains and public transport and hospitals. I mean, that's the
thing that I think. You know, it's very easy to
start throwing immigration numbers around, but we have a huge
infrastructure dead so when you're going to need someone to
put these ten minute extra five million people, aren't we
So it's a long term plan, but I think in
the short term the worry is the number of young
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people leaving the country to go to Australia. I mean,
you know, when you look at that number of two
hundred and fifty thousand. How does that compare to just
the number that's left in the last couple of years
for us?
Speaker 3 (13:49):
What do you recompete?
Speaker 5 (13:52):
Again, I agree with Colin since around the infrastructure stuff.
But then there's a little bit of horse and cart
type thing. You know, do you build the infrastructure and
the hope that you'll fill the space up or do
you wait for the demand the revenue that's iterated from
the tax and the employment and the opportunity that comes
with having a larger population and then so you know,
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you can invest, Yes, and we need to. One thing
is fantastic that someone's actually starting to think long term
because I think so often we tend to think very
short term. And I guess this is the three year
electoral term of local body politics, right, It's what do
I need to say to get elected and what can
I do in three years? Whereas we should be thinking
thirty years ahead, forty years fifty years ahead. And then
(14:35):
I you know, I'm sort of in discussions with people,
particularly around construction and manufacturing and so on, and one
of the things that is often an issue is there's
just not enough of us right to be a fully
modern society. People travel overseas and they go, why does
the subway work? Why is there this manufacturing? Why are
these they're these opportunities because there's lots of people.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Well there's a I mean, that's the thing with all
the big cities. You look and you're going to Sydney
or Melbourne or London or wherever, and you go look
at the wonderful Well there's a population of millions of
people supporting that infrastructure, which has made why the challenge
for Auckland and you know, even much bigger challenges for
much smaller cities to get that infrastructure, isn't it Kyle.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Yeah, it is. And of course the other thing about
that is when it comes to their public infrastructure is
tax take as well. I mean, you know, if you've
got more people, you're getting more tax take. But I mean,
I agree with you there needs to be much more
of a focus on the long term planning. I mean,
you know, I was saving this conversation with a couple
of people this week about even though you know, I'm
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pretty behind the idea that some of the things that
have been put in place in the last three years
are going to be repealed by the next government, it's
pretty frustrating if we're going to spend the next you know,
thirty years just going backwards and forwards between two extreme positions,
rather than settling on a direction for the country and
sticking with it.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
We weren't always flip flopping in two extreme positions. It
seemed that left and right were closer together in days gonepire.
Or is that me just having gold sort of I
mean raised into glasses.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
On Yeah, probably, But also you know, in a fizz
past the post situation where we had predominantly two parties
for the last fifty or sixty years post war, that's
what you had, whereas now there is the center, but
then there's the right and left, and the right and
left are much more entrenched.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
What's much more group think now, isn't there? And we
don't have that sense of people crossing the floor for things,
and it's all so tribal now, it's just and we've
got the walker jumping law and all those sorts of
things that just feel I don't know, I'm not sure
I'm particularly happy with the state of our electoral system
or politics at the moment, but there we go. That's
just a general grumble you can't really answer for anyway, Hey,
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look tell you what we're going to be back in
just a moment. We'll take a break. It's twenty three
minutes past three. This is the panel on news Talk
zid B. Yes, welcome back to the Weekend collect to
the Panel. By the way, if you end up tuning
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Weekend Collective and it'll all be there for you anyway. Right,
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My guests are car McDonald's psychotherapist and host of the
Nutterers Club and some days something to look at your
cal and go you actually are that officially the host,
aren't you? That's right? And Pete wolf Camp resident builder.
I got that right, there didn't a psychotherapist and yes,
there we go. Anyway, Now, this is a tricky one
in a way because it's so political and there's so
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many entrenched positions on this. But the government halting new
prescriptions of puberty blockers for young people with gender dysphoria,
talking about a precautionary approach needed while evidence remains uncertain
and I'm not even going to name the well, I
name the drugs. Okay, they're known as GONE and no
I'm not going to I suddenly looked at it. But anyway,
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they will remain available for people who are using them
for gender dysphoria, as well as medical conditions like early
onset pubertal puberty, endometriasis, and prostate cancer. So anyway, lack
of scientific evidence on this and a need for clinical
trials to assess the results. Other countries have already gone
down this route before. Kyle, what do you reckon on
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this problematic issue.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
Yeah, I'm pretty concerned about this from the point of
view of the mental health impacts, or at least the
potential for them. I think a bit of information for
people really for this. Firstly, what these medications actually do
for people who are experiencing genders for is they actually
just pause puberty. They don't set a person on any
particular course. They pause the process, and often that enables
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people to get support and have some space and time
with the experts and with their family to figure out
what's actually going on. And there are certainly lots of
cases where people stop those drugs and continue on the
natural course of puberty. After sort of some intervention of
getting some thinking around that. I'm not so sure that
the evidence is uncertain. I mean, these drugs have been
used really safely for precocious puberty with kids since the eighties.
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We're kind of following the position of UK and a
couple of other countries around the world, whilst the majority
of Western countries are actually continuing to prescribe them. So
that's the specific but I mean I think the general bit,
which I think is important also to mention term is
it actually it's politicians intervening in a way with ideology
over healthyare experts. All of the leading medical bodies, the
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Psychological Society, the Psychotherapists Association, all have a clear position
on this, and the government's going against what a lot
of the credible experts are actually saying.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
I think there are other credible experts who are concerned
with the actual physical side effects of these drugs, though,
aren't they like osteoporosis and things like that.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
And I think when you actually look at the literature,
those have actually been overstated and they're actually really quite
straightforward to manage. They're also often not people aren't actually
on these for very long periods of time, So I think,
you know, like you said, it's divisive, but I'm concerned
about the fact that I actually think this will lead
to increased suicide and self harm rates again in this
population of kids who already have a really high self
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harm and suicide higher than any other minority.
Speaker 5 (20:12):
What do you Reconpete, Look, this is a long way
out of my wheelhouse. So I guess I speak as
a parent of a teenager, as someone who's involved in education,
I guess as a board member at a school. Right,
So these are the sorts of challenges that our young
people are facing. I guess that you can. I suppose
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I can sort of understand where the government's coming from
in the sense that is this something that's been driven
by populism, that it's become something that happens and then
more and more people have this issue where they might
not have done so in the past. But that's a
political thing, right, and that's an ideological thing. And so again,
not wanting to constantly agree with you, Carle, I do
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see where you're coming from in terms of you know,
what's is this a space that the government needs to
be in and are they actually protecting someone from harm
or is there a narrative that comes from people's lived
experience where there you know, I can't imagine the stress
and distress that comes from, you know, as a parent
to a child who comes to you and says, look,
(21:17):
I'm really not sure that I am who I am
and who I want to be and what can we
do about that? But obviously this is something that your
do you I think from time to time, and then.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
Yeah, I think there is space. I mean I think
you know, in this space when you think about what
does intervention look like?
Speaker 5 (21:33):
Sure?
Speaker 4 (21:35):
And I think I would hope. My hope is the
one thing that all sides could agree on that intervention
needs to involve support for the young person and space
to be able to think through what their experience is.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
I've got to be honest, I would be worried that
if there's some sort of genitus for you, that an
early thing is like, let's slam in the puberty blockers,
but when from the stuff? I mean, look, we'd have
to be a bunch of scientists arguing about this, couldn't
we But it doesn't seem to me that there is
certainty around whether there have been in a clinical trials
and whether they're safe. But you've got the psychological thing
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and the medical side. But I think I saw someone
on the news last night who said that it was
a political thing because the scientists haven't sorted it out.
That I can't remember. She almost wasn't like, she wasn't
criticizing the politicians for stepping in, But she's saying that
science hasn't worked out what's the right thing to do.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Is yet, Yeah, I mean that's true. I mean there
aren't There aren't clear studies that show that they are safe.
There's also not a lot of evidence that shows that
they aren't safe. And to give a sense of how
this works, I mean antidepressants the front lines. Antidepressants are
actually not clinically proven frado lescens but we prescribe them
all the time to teenagers with supervision because we know
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that they work and when we get desperate for any
other kind of alternative. So it's not that unusual in
the medical field for that evidence to be thin, but
for treatments to be used when they really really needed.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
I think the other thing is, and I can't remember
where I read this as well, is that puberty itself
not actually a disease, but it's part of the whole
genderuspharia issue. And I think that's whereas if you've got
a problem with depression or whatever, if there's a disease
you're trying to cure, but puberty itself isn't a disease.
And I think that's where it starts to get a
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bit blurry on what are we trying to fix here?
But you're not going to get the answers listening to me.
There are we but it is, I mean, but it's
a complex issue. So anyway, but it does lead into
it does lead into another topic, which which is on
that sort of side of the ledger the Breakers refusing
to wear the Pride jersey or logo and Pride Week
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next where next year in the NBL Pride round now,
I saw the former NRL player Ian Roberts, who has
to be one of the braver guys around who in
nineteen ninety five came out and he's really got stuck
into the Breakers and said it's cowardly, and you know,
basically he's got no time for any you think. So
if you're going to be a big at, just don't
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up that you're a bigot, and that I think.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
Not wearing applied flag doesn't make you a bigot.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
I'm not sure if I got the language right, but
he used some strong language around it. But the breakers
are doing because they don't want they don't they want
to act as a team, I guess. And maybe there
were going to be players who refused to wear it,
and I would have thought, of you don't want to
wear it, man, maybe you should have the courage of
your convictions not to do it rather than the whole team.
And anyway, what do you I'll go with you first, peak,
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So we went with Kyle first.
Speaker 5 (24:37):
It's just that notion. I mean, I need story, so
I just plus to be really clear.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
Sorry, this isn't.
Speaker 5 (24:45):
No in the sense that but does the team have
to wear one? You know there's a bit of group
think here as well that that suddenly every social body,
every sports organization, every community board, DA DA, DA, da
DA has to make a statement about every single social issue.
They're a sports team, why don't they just get on
play sport?
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Because it's the whole league, everyone's doing it, So what is.
Speaker 5 (25:09):
The league bothering?
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Well, it's not, I guess. Why does what does the
league have? Why do they have sponsors? Why do they
have any relationship with anyone. I guess would be the
thing sponsors bring up because they decide that pride to
you know, that's something they want to support. I guess
that because they're still within within sport. There's still a
stigma for some people about whether you're gay, straight, whatever.
L G B two Q I A. I've lost all
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the initials. Kyle. Before I throw to you, I got
to I looked at him just sort of thought, oh,
just it. I don't think it's a great look for
the team. I thought, just we're the badge for goodness sake.
I mean, you know, it's it's it's a movement that's
happening for one week next year.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Just do it?
Speaker 3 (25:49):
What do you reckon?
Speaker 5 (25:49):
Call?
Speaker 4 (25:51):
Look, I might be sounding like I'm contradicting myself here,
but actually I I think it's a free speech issue fundamentally,
I think, and I think if as a team they've
decided that that's how they wish to express themselves, then
I think they should be able to do that. The
thing they are, the thing that we often forget about
free speech is there's also consequences for that right. So
they can take that stance and they can express that
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and they can stand behind the team members who presumably
have strong personal convictions about not wanting to do that,
which they're entitled to have. The tricky thing is, then,
is what does that mean for things like sponsorship for
you know, for members of the Pride community that may
or may not be breakers, fans or wanting to take,
you know, to take their support away from that team.
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So I think, you know, fair enough they can do that,
and then I guess they can live with whatever happens
as a consequence.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Actually, that is I'm glad you made that point, because
when people are criticized for something, they're going, are you
telling me I can't have free speech? It's like, no, no,
I'm just exercising my free speech and telling you that
I disagree with you.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
I do wonder sometimes, though, as well, how much how
effective the rainbow tick and the sort of the corporate
side of Pride endorsement actually is. I mean, you could
make an argument too that well, at least these people
are taking a principlal stance rather than that you're doing
the hollow version to rather than just sort of wearing
it anyway and shutting up.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Yeah, although principal stance would be actually just the individual
saying I'm not going to wear it and exercising their
free speech rather than the team going will safety in
numbers we do I want you to be.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Look i've did found what Actually I do know. I
think it's a bad look for them, and I just
think that why why wouldn't they unless they've got some
It just makes you worry about what attitudes that a
little thing with a three millimeter border of a rainbow
around you, that's literally what it is. I think is
suddenly a.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
Progress they're trying to stop. What happened to is Ralph
Filau right, which was that he got some good out
sort of globally for not participating in the sum So.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Yeah, Ian Roberts, who was the person I was quoting before,
who was the guy who came out in nine to
nine five NRL play for the Manly Sea Eagles. He's
he says, their absolute cards. Yes he did. He said,
call it for what it is. This is homophobia. It's
bigotree at least had the carriage and standard and say, yeah,
I'm against this. I'm not for same sex people being
same sex attracted. I'm totally post then and I won't
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wear the badge, and he talks about the consequences can
be catastrophic kids who are dealing with their sexuality, and
you've got dickheads like this who want to jump up
and wave their religious book or culture or culture.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
So he.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Didn't.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
He didn't, He didn't. You don't die wondering.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
It's funny.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
I remember when he came around the time he came out,
I sat, I think, in a seat just in front
of him on a plane back in Australia, and I
just remember thinking, mate, no one is going to tangle
with you. No matter what he was. He was a
big unit anyway. Be and Zied said, the chief sponsor
for them have said they're not happy with them, But
I guess I don't know what it means. We thrash
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it out and we move on and we will form
our opinions. And we've discussed it in Hallelujah, Pete, he
got this look on you.
Speaker 5 (28:53):
It's not a fully formed opinion on my part. It's
just that, well, we have come to the right place.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (28:59):
Does every single organization need to support every single worthy cause?
Did they just get on with being who they are,
which is a sports team playing sport for people's entertainment.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Yeah, I guess it's the decision the League made and
the way we go. And they don't have to by
the way, so we just as they say, they're not
being made to wear it, so everyone wins for possibly. Anyway,
tell you what, we have thrashed that out for quite
a while, so we've got to come back and with
our next topic, which is Old Trump pushing a deal
on Ukraine to do a deal with Russia for a ceasefire.
(29:33):
Is it? What do you reckon about that? We'll be
talking about that in just the tickets twenty one minutes
before Yes News talks there be. This is the panel
with cal MacDonald and Pete wolf Camp. Now Trump's trying
to push this Ukraine to do a deal with Russia.
In fact, I think he's given them till Thanksgiving, which
is five days away to do it. But anyway, European
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leaders in the UN are calling for greater involvement from
Ukraine because this was a deal worked out by the
US and Russia without any involvement from Ukraine and involves
giving up a swathe of eastern territory and slashing its military.
I mean, I don't know I don't know what to say.
I just sort of think it's ridiculous that they think
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that Ukrainians are going to have fought for so many
years just for Trump to say right, and the Americans
are threatening to pull their intelligence if they don't do
a deal to give Putin exactly what he wants Kyl.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
I think the whole thing is very strange. I mean,
I've thought from the beginning of how the US has
waded into this. I mean, it must be maddening for
you know, for Kiev, for the Ukrainians, I mean, for Zelenski.
It's like the flip flopping that happens, and it does
seem like, unfortunately, like with most things, Trump's main approach
is to sort of bully. Really, it's not really much
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of a peace deal. If Kiev haven't been involved. They're
just being told to accept invasion and they're.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Not going to. I mean, and I mean, obviously Europe
has to step up as well, but I mean the
idea that I mean, that Ukraine should slash its military
in half is just one of the dumbest things you
can imagine, because of course that's what Putin. So when
he decides he's amassed a few more troops, he'll give
it another note and take over some more territory. Peak.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
Yeah, no, I think it's staggering. I mean, you get
it from a Trumpian point of view. It's a deal
that I can claim to have broke it and I
have ended the war. And that's my ninth one, isn't it?
And barently apparently, But yeah, it's I'll do a deal
with Russia, who have invaded your country. You're going to
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give up a great big chunk of it, and then
you'll be happy for it, and, as you say, reduced
the sciety of military making you weaker going forward acually.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
I just with a friend about this, and I say
we were just sort of mulling over the idea that
Trump's I don't think Trump does these deals because he
wants peace. I think Trump does things chriss. He wants
to add to his trophy cabinet of things that he
can claim to have achieved at any price, and it's
all about getting the deal done and pursuing that Nobel Prize.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
Which transactional, transactional. I don't know if you saw the
recent news in the last is just in the last
few hours about the meeting with Mandani, and it's been
you know, applauded as going really well. And he seemed
to really like Mandani, and he said it was okay
to call him a fascist and all sorts of weird
things in a meeting. And I saw someone explaining it
as the problem with Trump from the point of view
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of the Republicans is he's not actually wedded particularly to
any of the ideas that he starts throwing around, even
the extreme ones, because he's entirely transactional. This guy's really popular.
So now all of a sudden, he wants to get
alongside him and shake his hand. He wants to get
the deal done so he can added to the list
of things that he's done, you know, and stuff the consequences.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Yeah, oh well, I don't shakedown.
Speaker 5 (32:37):
Yeah, it's a good old I remember reading an article
sometime last year. You know, you look at Trump and
it's it's like a good old fashioned mafia shakedown. No,
that's what it feels like. Come in, sit in with me.
I'll break you in front of the world's press, shake
you down, and then I'll get a deal out of it.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
Yeah. Oh well, it's not a deal that's going to
happen is it. Hey, the Cambridge word of the year
now it's and the Cambridge Dictionaries word of the Year
is Paris. And it's defined as a relationship felt by
someone between themselves and a famous person they don't know,
and it's connected with social media that idea.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
But of course.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
Fans have often felt that before social media that they
had a relationship with their favorite celebrity, I guess. But
it's more intense now because everyone's sharing every detail of
their lives and people feel they really are Taylor's What's
best friend, don't they? Kyle?
Speaker 4 (33:29):
Yeah, I mean, like you say, fandom is pretty easily understand.
I mean from a psychological point of view, it's it's
sort of idealizing something that you wish to be, or
you know, the ideal person or the ideal partner, or
you know, investing a lot of emotional energy, and it
kind of makes sense. The difference, of course, is that
you know, in my day would have a poster on
the wall of Kirk Cobain, but I wouldn't see a
(33:50):
photo from him every day of what he was seeing
for breakfast, so you know, the relationship, But that aspect
I think is really quite different and quite a lot
more intense for people.
Speaker 5 (33:58):
Pete, I think it's I think it's an absolutely brilliant
word summarizing a situation that again I'm going to I'm
just going to say it, realizing that I'll probably sound
like a pretension.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
No, You've come to the right place.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
So it's a weird.
Speaker 5 (34:15):
Thing, you know, I did all those years working on
TV and The Block and that sort of thing, and
people form a relationship with you and they so like
I'm at the supermarket and someone turns and goes, oh, Hi,
how are you now, I don't know them, right, they
don't actually know me, but after ten series of The
Block and all the rest of people get that sense. Wow.
(34:36):
So this word explains that phenomena perfectly.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
Actually, I guess when you're in the media, though, people
do get to know you. I mean, you host the
Resident Builder as well, and I talk back and people
would feel if they'd never met me physically, that if
they've listened, that they would know.
Speaker 5 (34:51):
But a lot of it's always and they'll feel connected
and that's as long as they say hello, as opposed
to get stuffy situation. Good word though, fantastic with just
tying into that is that the revelation that half of
teenagers there's been a survey reckon that they had This
(35:11):
is looking back, they reckon they had access to social
media too young in life, with nearly four out of
ten saying they wish social media had never been invented.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
Wow. Which and we see what Australia is doing with
bounding access to social media, Kyle, I do wonder if
we saw the news about the phone ban and most
schools saying how well it's working, that we're in Australia's
slipstream and we're not. I think we're going to keep
in there.
Speaker 4 (35:37):
What do you think it's? The problem is nuance goes
out at the window, a like with a lot of
these things. I have a lot of trouble with it
B four sixteen idea because I think it's blanket and
as you know, my libertarian bones start shuttering the idea
that the government can start to tell me how to
parent my children in that respect. On the other hand,
I get it from the point of view that there's
(35:58):
evidence of harm, but the other side of it is, actually,
how do you stop under sixteen year olds getting online?
And you institute a digital ad system for everybody which
means us handing over more information about who we are
and our age and so on and so forth. And
you know what, kids are smart. They'll just get a
VPN all of a sudden. Now they're in Fiji, not
(36:18):
New Zealand. So I think we have to be looking
at actually, how do we do? Think the school band
has been fantastic. Our school had one before the requirement.
I think also actually families and parents need to take
responsibility for how they engage with their kids about their devices,
how they model it with their own devices as adults,
and how you actually make getting off your phone and
(36:38):
doing things with the family and with friends more attractive
than being on your phone. Pete.
Speaker 5 (36:44):
I mean, look, I think the phone ban at school
genius right now, and for all of the upset, the
only again our experiences. And it was a comment from
a teacher the other day. It's an all boys' school, right,
he said, once it came in, we've got a lot
more punch ups a right, which is so instead of
kids one distracted I'm not serious, No, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
Instead of sending it a man angry they want to
cross the playground and punch.
Speaker 5 (37:10):
Someone because when they're not just boys when they're not
just staring at their phone, scrolling through whatever for hours
and hours, and then suddenly they've got to talk to someone,
and then they realized they got a beef, and so
they have it out and it was you know, it's
like going back forty years. It was awesome. But also again,
you know, if you're parenting, look, let's just call it
(37:31):
what it is. If it's neglectful, right, if you're just
not engaged with your kids, and your kids just spend
hours on a device, then I guess the state does
need to step in and stop you from being a
I think parent.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
I think sometimes though it supports like with the phone band,
it supported schools who's already having that, And I think
there'll probably be a lot of parents out there who'd
like a bit more than just like because we say
so and we're isolating you from all your friends. There
is that support of like, look, it's not even allowed, honey,
you're not going to have it to year sixteen. And
I actually do want I'm not sure if we're going
(38:07):
to be successful in this, but I think we're going
to be close to fifteen or sixteen before they get
on social media.
Speaker 5 (38:12):
Although but you can determine that for yourself, right as
an engaged parent where you're monitoring it and so on.
And you know, we've been through the same thing. I
think Justin probably had Instagram or something from prior to sixteen.
Everyone uses it for messaging, group chats, all of those
sorts of things. Yeah, there's a bit of toxicity in it,
but there's also a little bit of that is connection. Yea,
(38:35):
So the.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
Thing but where the nuance comes in is it Actually
it's a bit like to throw another spanner in the words,
because a bit like alcohol. Right, Yes, we have an
age limit with alcohol, but alcohol is a problem for
the people for whom it's a problem. And you know,
from my point of view, the people for whom it's
a problem generally I've got other things going on, whether
that be trauma or things going on in their life.
And actually the research about social media use is pretty
(38:58):
much the same, which is kids who don't have any
mental health difficulties seem to suffer very little ill effects.
In fact, there's a like positive effect kids who are struggling,
even if it's having a bad day, it amplifies the negatrovity.
So it's not quite as clear cut there as all
social media bad all the time for everybody.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
Either, right, we need to take a quick break and
we'll be back. And just to take this as the
panel on the Weekend Collective, it is eight minutes to
four news talks. They'd be with just about a minute
to go with Cayle McDonald and Pete wolf Camp. Guys,
are you into the Black Friday sales at all? Or
do you bought it? Like the plague? You finally buy
things you don't need to beat?
Speaker 5 (39:32):
No, but I do need a washing machine, so yeah,
that's great.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
Oh, a new washing machine? Which is Black Friday of
the r City prayers? What do you think you should
wait till a couple of weeks?
Speaker 5 (39:40):
One hundred bucks off? How much? Three hundred on? How
much is it one hundred down to agree?
Speaker 3 (39:44):
That's not okay? I'll buy that by that for a dollar?
What about you, Kyla? You're black?
Speaker 4 (39:49):
Do you get sucked in by the I've spent a
few dollars on a few bits and pieces of early
Christmas present so I can't say what they are because
they might be listening.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
But what were they? Just?
Speaker 4 (39:58):
Do you research? It's always the same.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Do you research? Yeah? And actually there's so many good
blogs and things, and concer Umor will be out there
comparing the Black Friday sales and things and anyway, I must,
I do like to scrawl at scrolling just to see
if there's anything by Myselven you Oven. Anyway, Hey guys,
thank you so much for coming in. Pete wolf Camp,
Cal McDonald, thank you.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
We'll be back.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
Next with the One roof radio show David Grubb. He's
ahead of a banking and valuation at Velocity, talking about
well just what can be seen as ways of adding
value to your house and also of past performance a
reliable guide to future success.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
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