December 19, 2025 • 41 mins
This week on The Panel, Tim Beveridge is joined by producer and journalist Irene Gardiner, and councillor for Waitakere Shane Henderson, to discuss the biggest stories from the week that was.
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The Christmas news. This Christmas, I travel around this country,
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Speaker 3 (00:43):
It's Christmas time again.
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A year is coming. So I had a very good
afternoon to You're welcome to the Weekend Collective. A little
bit of Dolly and Kennedy to get us going again,
I thought, thinking Tay Java, actually we might have started
the show last week with a bit of Dolly and
(01:05):
Kenny and why not? So it's an interesting discussion. He
do you prefer Dolly or Kenny? I think the crowd
is split on that one, but together, I mean, you know,
just fantastic. Welcome to the Weekend Collective. This Saturday, twentieth
of December, I have met someone, a mum, a friend
of ours, who hasn't done her shopping yet, and I
was thinking, you should put a GoPro on your head
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as you hit the moll and move at pace because
I think she's going to be It's going to be
a very energetic day doing your Christmas shopping, but apparently
most people do the Christmas shopping sort of closer to Christmas,
so maybe have you even't even started yet? Anyway, welcome,
I'm Tim Beveridge. You can text your feedback anytime a
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NEWSTALKSIDB dot co dot nz. Coming up on today's show
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in just a moment, our panelists and our panel who
I will be introducing shortly but looking a little further
forward to when. As you know, we love to take
your calls on No. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
text nine two nine two, but you know the number.
Ed McKnight's with us. He's resident economist at Opus Partners.
We're going to talk about whether the model for property
investment has fundamentally changed. So you remember the productions at
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doubles every eight years, doubles every eight years, ten years, whatever.
I've spoken to a few people who reckon double every
thirty years could be the new thing. So we're going
to talk about whether the model has fundamentally changed. And
also we'll have a chat about those long term interest
rates which seem to be creeping up against probably the
reserve banks wishes At five o'clock for the Parents Squad,
Sarah chat One's with us. She's a psychologist, and we're
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going to talk about just materialism at Christmas and whether
we go a little bit too far to this extent
that your kids get the wrong color iPhone and they're like,
we didn't want the red one or one of the
gray one, or the pink one or the blue one.
And also do we need to keep our kids busy
do we just let them blob out? We'll talk about
that for the Parents Squad at five o'clock and shortly
before six the Sports Wrap. Nathan Limb is with us.
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We've got the Ashes, we've got Black Caps and West
Indies and Jake Paul versus Anthony Joshua, which, yeah, we'll
have a chat with them about Tao's what's happening there anyway,
Lots to get on with. Welcome to the Weekend Collective.
It is already nine minutes past three.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Your Weekend, Your Way, The Weekend Collective with Tim Beveridge,
News Talk, zebby Yes.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
And my panel. This afternoon, we'll just go ladies first,
showing beauty first. Whatever ticks all the boxes. She is
a producer journalist. She's got a bit to do with
the film industry as well. I think we could fairly
say Irene Gardner, Hello Irene, how are you very well?
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Thank you tim Um, that was very sure that Saturday
before Christmas?
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Yeah? Have you done your shopping? Do you do much
shopping for Christmas?
Speaker 3 (03:45):
I don't have a huge lot to do, but I
have done most of what I need to do.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Good, excellent, well done you and joining joining Irene as
in our panel. An he's Auckland, not an Auckland counselor.
He's Auckland counselor for White Targety. Shane Henderson, get a
Shane here, you.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
Going get a fantastic Yeah, you'll all sit for Christmas
yet I haven't started shopping at all. I'm going to
start after the show.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Actually, really, have you got much to do?
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (04:12):
Heaps to do? They two kids? Yeah, big one, big one.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
I went to I mean not that I bought anything,
but I went to Ikea just to have a quick look.
I must say, because I shopped at Ikea Donkeys years
ago when I was living in Australia and I need
it was just a quick book. My parents, sorry, not
my parents, they're gone. My family were there, and they
carried on. We'd come by separate cars, and I had
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to leave, and I said, oh, you know, what's the
quick way to get out? And the guy says, oh,
you've got five hundred meters to walk in that direction,
and I thought, stuff you, ikea, if I want to
get out of here, I shouldn't have to walk past
every blimming thing I've either looked at. Literally, you just
got got to go all the way back to the
beginning or all the way to the end.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
And so clever sales technique.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Well not really, because that's because.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
You got grumpy turned me off.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
I just sort of got that's sort of not coming
back here. Mind you? Famous line words, isn't it. That's
a bit grinchy of me to start with?
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Very grinchy. Did you not like the meat balls or something?
Speaker 2 (05:11):
I didn't go near the meatballs, mind you. I think
we started nicely with a bit of Dolly and Kenny.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Don't Dolly? We love Dolly and Kenny and Kenny.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Obviously Dolly is your number one. Do you have a
Dolly or Kenny? You're too young to sort of do
you go? Who are they?
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Oh? No, I know who they are Yeah. Yeah, yeah,
probably the headlines.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
We've kind of lost Kip Kenny, so we have to
you know, Dolly's still with us.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
That's right, that's that, That is a point. Yeah, now
first things First, look, it was it's been it's been
a big week really in the wake of the Bondi
Beach shooting, and you know, business is talking about you know,
they're going to feel the effects of Sunday's attacks for
a long time. I saw that the the I'm not
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sure if I had to pronounce it, Armadale armored or
arkman Arkhmed. There was a go Fundme page which basically
raised over two and a half million dollars for him,
which I thought he deserved every penny. I actually found
that moment amongst the whole thing. It's the mixture of
tragedy but also something that's actually quite moving to see
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someone put themselves on the line shame. What's your reaction
to the whole.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
Yeah, there was real heroism, wasn't it. I was really
touched to see that, And yeah, just really glad that
people were so generous with that millions of dollars, and
you know, it sort of says something about our society
is that we can get in behind people that have
done an amazing thing like that.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Yeah, Irene, what did you think. I mean, it's there's
so many facets to it, but the attacks, the blame
that's been placed at Anthony alban Easy's feet as well,
which I think, I don't know, it's difficult. I'm not
in Australia, so I don't know how to judge all that.
What do you reckon?
Speaker 3 (06:50):
It's I was really shocked actually, because I you know,
there was the terrible massacre I suppose it's the right word,
you know, in Tasmania all those years ago, and they
massively changed their gun laws after that, and then they
thought to be the country that had kind of got
on top of that because of that awful thing that
had happened, and so when it happened again, it was
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I was quite shocked. It was just I mean, you know,
the obviously is shocking anyway, but just yeah, so I
don't know what all the ins and outs of their
gun laws in the situation will be, but I think.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
They were seen as having, you know, being the country
that was almost the most on top of that.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Yeah, well that's what I sort of think, except for.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
The family connection of course with the son who had
some who been looked at and his dad had the firearms,
and and that's.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
All it takes. It's the wrong people to you know,
it's allful. You know the story we were looking at today,
you know, with the shopkeepers starting to drive and that's
a hard decision, isn't it. You know, if you're quite
close to the area, you know, and it's nearly Christmas,
do you just kind of open up and carry on
like normal or what do you do? It's just yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Think, well, I think you've got to open up and
let normality take place when it takes place, because your
customers dictate that, the public will dictate that you're open
for business. You know, I just don't know. I don't
know what it would be like.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
It's hard being BONDI as well. It's an iconic keyw
of sorry Australian beach town and the place of key
as well, place of joy for generations, and you know,
to have that's a.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Real extra shock, you know. One of the I mean
this one of the thoughts I had about it, just
with regard to the act of heroism. And there was
the couple who tried to disarm them, and they lost
their lives and some of the bravery. The thing that
stuck with me is the model that Hollywood pushes all
the time about what a hero looks like. You know
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that spent the last three years on steroids at the gym,
and they're amazing people, and you know that this is
what the Hollywood hero looks like.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
And white, I might say.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
And I just sort of thought, what absolute there's that's
what heroism looked like. It looks like an ordinary guy,
the last person you pick out of a Hollywood lineup
for who should be the hero of the action movie.
And yet Incredible really wasn't.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
And that strange symmetry of that he was, you know,
a Middle East an immigrant himself, and just yeah, it's good.
I mean, he's amazing.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
It's a difficult one because you know the people who
it is going to be used as a political football
to score political points, and I think it is already
and the sort of righteous indignation, which you can understand
anyone being angry about it happening, but people saying that
this is because the government has supported you know, you know,
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has been critical of Israel against Palestine. It's it's that
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
I just don't like together.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Tragedies do happen, unfortunately, and you know, just going back
to the heroism element, I think that you know, your
rational brand shuts down and you just you act and
people people have that gene and it's fantastic.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
I think the thing is you you just don't know,
and people say I do the same thing. It's like,
you don't know what would happen, but there's either the
fight or flight instinct and you either god it. I mean,
he was had been a policeman in Syria. It did
look like he sort of had a rough eyed about
what he was doing, including putting the gun down pretty quickly.
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You can imagine you'd think, here I am and at
least and guy holding a gun and you know, innocent
thanks to put his hand up sort of thing. But anyway,
like a dreadful, dreadful thing to happen to happen anywhere
really on the just on the slightly, you know, it's
not exactly the joyful part of the news as well.
What did you guys make of I mean, you don't
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actually have to say you care about it too much either,
because there has been a hell of a lot of
attention on the Jevin mc skimming. I don't want to
say the word affair, but the whole case, that's the word,
because it was tied up with you know, the i
p c A report and to things being swept up
under the under the rug with you know, the accusations
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from his former lover, and so it's it's tied him
with so many things. But he's finally been sentenced and
he he wasn't listed on the child's Sex offender register
he missed, he avoids been put on that, but he
also avoided going to prison, getting instead home detention. I think,
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I mean to be honest, I think his life's ruined
and there's not really any sentence that was going to
sway me one way or the other. What did you think, Iran?
Speaker 3 (11:22):
I can understand that it's probably fair that someone who's
had a life and the police doesn't end up in prison,
because that could go very awry. I was surprised that,
you know, if he was getting home detention it wasn't
bit longer, because it does seem like quite quite serious
offending to me, and nine months home detention doesn't nine
months in jail, year or a longer period of home detention.
(11:46):
I was actually surprised his name wasn't put on the
sex offenders rest. I'm not sure what the threshold for that.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
I think, well, probably actually personal offending against particular events people.
Maybe what did you think of it, Shane?
Speaker 4 (11:58):
Yeah, I took it that it was because he was
viewing it and not distributing it. And this is one
of the first cases of in his Zeale ever had
in this kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
So because there was someone who got five years in prison,
but they were creating the material, distributing it, and the
whole because somebody's saying, we'll look at this case is
and well, you know, all I think of I would
hate to be a judge in one of those cases
because they have to view a lot of that objectionable material,
and I don't they think there's some things you just
couldn't done see it to be dreadful.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
And I think it's always hard when you add doing
what we're doing, which is sort of commentating on something,
because you don't quite get all the nuance of what
actually went on in court and you know both sides
of it, and you're right, I mean, you know his
life is ruined. I mean I don't necessarily a pity
for that because he did that. But yeah, so maybe
the punishment, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
There was one sentence that did stick out to me
is it says it gave a discount the part of
the discouncil for you know, remorse and for seeking happened
doing everything that you should do. But I always think
it's interesting when they say prior good character, and I'm
like the prior good character. I mean, I hate the
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judgments anyway, but it's the appearance of a good you
know what I mean, the fact that you have appeared
to be a good character. I don't know, I don't
know how far back there, going back when they're talking
about pro.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Pryor public service, Well you.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Should have said a public service anyway. Look, God, there's
a couple of grim things.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Yes, let's start with the cherry topics for christ.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
So you know what I did think, let's get let's
get the heavy stuff out of the way. And we
did start with a bit of Dolly and Kenny and
maybe we almost need to bring up a fish a
little bit of positive news. So GDP, I think we're
a little bit surprised about that. But GDP up one
point one percent. The economy grew one point one percent
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in the three months to September, which followed a one
percent There's been a decrease in the previous quarter, and
there's talk about consumer confidence being better than it's been.
I haven't caught up with that yet. Isn't it funny
the numbers? And I actually interviewed Nicola willis about the
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difference between, you know, the data saying things that should
be good news versus while I'm not feeling it yet.
It's a bit like saying, well, the weather forecast is good,
but I don't know where are you at with feeling
good their shape?
Speaker 4 (14:23):
Yeah, look, the boardroom table is happy, business confidence is high,
but the kitchen table, however, still very nervous, people worried
about the jobs.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Sounds like such a line from a politician.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
I am a politician.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
I know something you prepared earlier that is a good one.
It's like the boardroom table are happy, with the kitchen table.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
A good one.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
I like that.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
I'm going to rip off it's good.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Well, I'm seeing we're doing sayings now. I see. You know,
when you read all these different economic indicators, and if
you're a lay person, you sort of try to get
a hand. And there's this wonderful expression, which is that
you could lay all the economists in the world end
to end and they'd never reach a conclusion.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
That's quite a good one to It's.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
So true because you know, as a Laperson, you sort
of go, what does this mean? What does this mean?
They all contradict. Look, it's Christmas. If there's a little
flicker of hope for the economy, I'll go with it.
But you'd have to say it doesn't seem to be
very out there yet.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
But I think that's how it works generally, isn't it.
The data sort of turns around and there'll be certain
parts of the economy that might feel it. But in
terms of the consumer and people who work just you know,
the forty hour week for a living, I think it
takes a while before it feeds through to that sort
of thing.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
Yeah, construction's good, professional services are good. But education is down.
You know, it's uneven, it's lumpy.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
My industry is really struggling, you know, in both screen
and media, really really tough.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Oh actually, I mean I must have me. I'm not
into the Avatar movies. I just don't get it.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
You don't get those blue animals people.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Look, I mean the first Avatar movie was was it
the biggest grossing movie of all? I mean's he's a
phenomenal filmmaker, James Cameron, and he loves New Zealand. James
Cameron and we I think we love them because of that.
And look there was a look that was I mean
that's just over a week ago.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
But you know, wearing my screen industry hat. I mean,
he's Thank goodness, he's down there in Wellington. I mean
that's most of the work that Wellington crew are doing.
He's he's been incredible for New Zealand, you know, for
the economy and letting people know that we're a destination.
We can do all that sort of work. So, yeah,
we love James.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Yeah are you an aver time?
Speaker 4 (16:38):
Not an Avatar guy. I like the economic activity.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
More of a Titanic guy sort of of course. Yeah,
that was that was the uber sort of huge hit
I think before well, he's done plenty of movies on James.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
James's quite bad. I mean, he's brilliant, he is a genius.
I'm not necessarily an avertype person himself either, but you know,
I don't care as long as it keeps helping.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
You know, I'm not sure it's really Chris's time movie
The Terminator, isn't it, But I might have to bust
that out again.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Die Hard is the action for that's also a Christmas movie?
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Yes, yes, takes place at Christmas. Do you have a
Christmas movie?
Speaker 3 (17:16):
I love? Actually, you know the.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Funny thing, I've got a funny story to tell about
love actually, just before you go to the break and
I'm just yeah, my twelve now thirteen year old girl,
her teacher. I think they put on a Christmas movie,
and I think the teacher forgot because if you remember,
there is some gratuitous nudity and are quite a suggestive
sort of an appropriate context, and the teacher had forgotten
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and was like, oh my goodness. I had to sort
of jump scene on that one. But I thought last year,
I thought, oh god, I'm a bit over love actually,
But you know what, I'm going to sit down and
watch it again.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Probably so there's bits of it that haven't aged terribly well,
like the types of humor and things. But well, the stalker,
the guy with the kalking, there's just gorgeous bits. And
that the sad scene where Emma Thompson goes up and
makes a bed and cries. Is in immature plays is
just exquisite. That's forever. And I'm still a bit of
a fan of you dancing dancing in number ten.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Here, you've got a favorite Christmas movie.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
I'm probably home alone if that counts after generation there.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
No, Actually, my kids have just watched that. They loved.
In fact, they said they were surprised it was so violent.
Oh yeah, he does some quite mean thing.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
I saw something the other day Macaulay Culkin's little Boy
who looks a bit like him, which is not unusual
for your children. And apparently the kid watched the movie
and thought it was himself in the film. Wow, he
thought he was the boy.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
He didn't sleep in for days afterwards.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Anyway, I look, we're going to take a break. This
is the panel where with White Tagerty counselor why takety
councilor Yes, Shane Henderson and Irene Gardner is with us
as well. We'll be back in just a moment. It's
coming out to twenty five past three. Yes, welcome back
to the panel on the Weekend Collective with Shane Henderson
and Irene Gardener on my guest today. Now the road
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cone hotline has closed ahead of schedule, schedule or schedule?
Is that the big controversy anyway? Six months of operation.
It was set up in June to report excessive use
of road cones. Was meant to go for twelve months,
but Press Relations and Safety Minister Brook van Velden says
the pilot has done exactly what we needed it too.
(19:25):
And I what was what did it need to do? Shaned?
Was it just to give people the opportunity to go, hey, look,
I've seen them. They've lifted this manhole cover and they've
closed the road for five hundred meters with road cones everywhere.
I need to be able to tell someone about it.
To me, that's what it was for.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
But tell me what, look, I think that's that is
the job as to allow the public to sort of
vent about the road cones. And people are pretty mad
about this stuff. We just came through a local election
where this is one of the things people talked about
with me. But you know the other thing that it
did was tell the industry that actually we're watching and
you've got it got sharpen up and you've got to
got to get things right.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Is it so, but is it because we live in
this are We're living in a society where health and
safety is everything, So everyone's terrified to go, oh, look,
we only need about five or six road cans here, guys.
But somebody's like, well what happens if that's not enough?
Then we're liable and how we get hauled? Is it
because we are sort of public liability terrified?
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Well, well, there has to be balanced because you know,
we're also seeing people driving while we're all on their
phones and distracted, et cetera. So we've actually got to
protect those workers that are operating in that area. So
there is a balance here too.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Because the road cones are not going to do that
if you're on your phone.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
No, well that's I suppose that's true. But it's telling
the driver look, you know.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Except you might hear a thud thud before the big thud,
which you hopefully don't hear. Have you seen have you
seen road cone examples yourself?
Speaker 4 (20:54):
Oh yeah, definitely. Yeah, Yeah, that's common around the council
table to talk about, you know, some of the gorgeous problems.
Is that absolutely?
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Is it a popular Is it a popular cause to
leab Is it.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
It is a popular course to live.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Yeah, how does the mayor feel about does he come
on speak out of school? He's not listening.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
Yeah, Look, he wants he wants action on excessive road cones.
That's one of his big things and he talks about
it all the time.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
So it's job done because we are now having the
conversations and people are thinking about Okay, let's make sure
that this is adjusted for whatever the risk is, and
so it has done its job or what it has.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
And also council has guidelines now that we've got to
implement to make things better.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Okay. Now I didn't go to you as quickly as
I might have, Irene, because I gather you don't you
don't drive?
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Do you know I don't drive it? No? I I
walk a lot. And I was actually really impressed that
Shane was actually having like a kind of quite an
intelligent conversation about the pros and cons of road cones,
because I'd have to say, I don't give a toss
about rogue.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
It doesn't.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Yeah, and I can't believe we had a road cone hotline.
What a waste of money in time?
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Well, I mean, I don't know, was it a waste though, Shane, I.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Don't know if it was a waste, but I'm glad
I don't have just done it online or something a
bit cheaper.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
They've got They've got the job done and they've wound
it up.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
I think that's good.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
I'd like to go back to another point though. I
think in New Zealand we say schedule and in America
you say schedule.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
I mix and match them all the time. It's like
either other than either.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
I might be wrong. I'm open to being wrong, but
I think schedule for US, schedule for America.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Actually know it's on the public transport thing and the
things that take It's interesting the different perspective because I've
got into road cycling recently because.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
And you just run over road codes.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
No no, no. But but the cycling lane, it's the
cycling Liane thing I sort of I've got because I
sort of I look at someone and I go, I
don't think that cycling lines really is really going to
make life difficult for traffic. But there are times when
I go with the cycling lane is absolute godsend. It's
it's an interesting you know, when you go from cyclist
to motorists. But the one that still does my head
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in is just how long they give pedestrians to cross
the road downtown Auckland. It's sort of like forty if
you take the gaps either side. It's like what people
are not crawling across the intersection, you know, you watch
the intersection clears and they're still waiting ten nine eight seven,
And that'd be the thing.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
It's the same for the pedestrians. We're waiting for ages
at the light for the cars.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Cars get a lot less time than those pedestrians.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
Everything takes ages down there.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
I don't know, definitely, And actually it's funny just it
seems so arbitrary. Some in sections it's quite quick.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
One thing you do have to learn as a pedestrian
in Auckland is don't step out immediately that the green
man appears, because there will be at least one car
coming through on the red light anyway.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Well, you know, if we have an opportunity, I would
love them to be there, to be a hotline for
Do you think that this light change for the pedestrians
is too long?
Speaker 3 (24:01):
No?
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Absolutely, but that would have to be accounts driven thing.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
I'm probably not going to drive that one.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
It could be a job for you. Tom you could
have a little sideline doing the hot line on.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
That's what it's called talkbat radio, right, So yeah, I
sort of am already filling that.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Now.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Just on this is an interesting one that was on
TV last night about that shopkeepers. I mean, it's got
a bit of work to be done, but they are
looking at changing the crime. There's going to be a
Crime's Amendment bill which would allow citizens to forcibly arrest
anyone committing an offense under the Crimes Act. So it's
looking at boosting citizens arrest powers. There's a question around
(24:47):
it says shopkeepers could soon be allowed to restrain children
if they catch them stealing under a new bill. It's
got a bit of work to be done, and principle,
I think it's pretty blurry what you can do. And
there are different citizens arrest powers depending whether it's an
offense at night versus at daytime, and I think that's
(25:08):
out of date. But anyway, I'll go to you first, Irene.
Now you don't have to arrest someone by the way,
It just no, it's not like Irene.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
You need to be yeah, small, I probably wouldn't try.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Well, that's a superpower, you see, if you are someone
who's a genuine formidable threat. Someone's going to have a
crack at you. But if Irene says you step in
because you are slightly more diminutive for whatever the word is,
they might have to treat carefully with their choices or.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
They might just kill me. I'm not sure about this.
Whole citizen's rein always makes me a bit nervous, you know,
the wrong hands those powers. But yeah, maybe, I mean
I was a bit disturbed to see that. I was
a bit disturbed to see that technically children could be nabbed.
I don't think that should be allowed. I see the
minister did say that, you know, there was a bit
of refining to do, and he didn't think.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
That has a big difference. Well it's an interesting one,
doesn't that, Shane? You climbing with your opinion first before
I get all obnoxious. Not a big fan.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
I mean, workers generally are not trained to take down somebody,
and you know, they're putting themselves in danger and they're
dealing with a desperate person. In some cases they might
be on drugs, they're alcohol.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
But they're already in danger already. So I mean, what
it's doing is giving you the choice you don't have
you don't have to act on it. But if you
do act under the current law, you can get yourself
in trouble for what is essentially someone else's fault.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
And my other concern is that if you're a worker
and your boss comes down and says, well you didn't
restrain them, do you kind of have to act?
Speaker 2 (26:34):
I would say we could work that out. Not what
I mean is I think you you could easily legislate
that no one shall be required to by their employment
to arrest someone, you know. I mean, look, God, there's
all sorts of things you can't be forced to at
the workplace, you know, and rules around much more minor
sort of sort of touch behavior. It's a funny one, but.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
I mean, how are you meant to retreat restrain the
person till the cops get there, like with cable ties
or something.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
I think still seems quite confident in you're to me.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
So for lay people to be making those kinds.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Of say, someone who somebody's breaking into your appliant store
or something and stealing something, you know, things of great value,
are supposed to sit back and let them trash the
joint and then put you out of business for a while,
whereas I don't know, I think giving I'm leaning in
favor of clarifying the law, maybe giving some more powerboit.
(27:28):
Of course I don't want I don't think you should
be grabbing kids who are nicking a few sweets. But
if those kids are coming into your jewelry store with
sledgehammers and weapons, I say you should be able to
restrain them. Absolutely. If their children playing an adult game,
robbing an adult store with violence, I've got zero tolerance
for that, And I say, yep, absolutely, I think people
(27:49):
should have the powered it and you should. It's not
like check, Can I just check your ID before I
hit you over the head with a sledgehammer? Not that
you're going to do that. That might be a little
over reaction, but you know, I mean, it's it's difficult
because you don't know how old people are. For a start,
if they come into your place, if they're a teenager
and they've got a balaclava on, you don't know they're
a kid anyway, do you?
Speaker 4 (28:08):
So I don't know what that person is capable of
weapon and they get grabbed.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Well, you're not forced to grab them though, That's the thing.
You can step back. I mean as I always remember
the case, of course of the good Samaritan Austin hemming
that when you're talking about it always no, I always
remember that. Look, my remarks always temperate with awareness that
you know, you don't have to step in, and it
is it's risky anytime. So I don't know.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
Well, you know, we were just celebrating the Bondai hero.
But he could have been killed.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
He could have So I think that's why I think
we're all so overcome with admiration and emotion looking at
how brave someone can be. I was terrible. Good point,
it's just the name. I will never forget that name.
And I've made a point of when it happened, of
never forgetting that name because of you know. And the
(29:00):
good thing is I don't know who the perpetrator was.
I don't remember their name, and that's the way it
should be. Remember the hair's not the perpetrators, it is.
We're going to take quick break. It's twenty two minutes
to four News talk ed B, News Talk zed B.
This is the panel with Shane Henderson, Why Taketi Counselor
and Irene Gardner, who is all sorts of things. Actually
(29:21):
that sounds that sounds a bit I managed to make that.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Sound sort of owner music. Fair.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
We are all many things, aren't we? But no, it's
just because I remember we have had when I've read
your list of occupations out and you said, I can
just limit it to x xcellent. Why anyway? Hey, look,
do you guys the student job applications have hit record
highs testar students obviously looking for work too, and apparently
(29:49):
it's a bit demoralizing trying to find trying to find
a job, because there's more more people seeking work than
there are jobs. Do you guys remember what you I'm
assuming you've both been, you know, students, students looking for
sort of the summertimes, Irene, did you I worked?
Speaker 3 (30:08):
I lived in a small town and I worked in
the chemist shop, and in those is my abiding memory
of working in the chemist shop as a teenager. In
those days, the condoms were kept behind the count the
counter in a drawer, and when boys that I went
to high school with, who went out with girls who
were my friends, came in, they I could see them
(30:29):
skulking around waiting so that they get the man chemist
rather than me behind the counter.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
And did you help them with making yourself absent or
did you just.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
Got to do the dusting of the shelves so that
you know, the man chemists could come.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
outIn you didn't hold them up and.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
Go No, I was a bit shy which.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Time was why aku? I mean, that's not what's the
population of Wayuku?
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Don't ask me that I can't from him?
Speaker 4 (30:57):
I don't worry a couple of thousand now, yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Really shame with the Hey what did you? What have
you done for us?
Speaker 4 (31:05):
I did a bunch of student jobs, but my favorite
student job was putting up marquees. I was the worst
at manual labor that you'll ever find. And I started
the season by putting up the marquees installing the dance floors.
By the end I got relegated to just cleaning chairs
all day?
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Oh why because did you do a rubbish do?
Speaker 4 (31:22):
It's really bad? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Really, I thought you were going to tell me that.
By the end, you were a star. You were the
star laborer. You know.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
I'm, however, good I am at politics. I'm better at
that than I am at putting dance falls.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Have you ever hosted a party at your place where
you'd know how to install the dance floor if you
needed to, I guess how I can direct people to
do it.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Tim, he just said, I am the worst laborer ever.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
I was trying to give him the opportunity to maybe
have a redemption story. I appreciated that I actually worked
at the Forest Research Institute, and there wasn't I mean,
it was a government position, but my dad was a
scientist there, and I think he never had any hand
in it, but the fact that he was very well
(32:05):
known and a scientist there that I'm sure it probably
helped me get it. But actually I had some fascinating
jobs there, in fact, quite scientific sort of thing, trying
to sort out certain rhise of morphs and do these
sore samples or mixture between being out in the forest
and then back and the lab and then out in
forest and back in the lab. But the good old
Fri and rot A Ua quite fond memories of that. Anyway,
(32:28):
I just thought it was an opportunity because I've got
nothing else to say. I don't know what other angle
we could hit with the student job.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Here's the difference. How easy it was for all of
us to get holiday jobs, and now for kids it's
almost impossible. It's just terrible. It must be really, you know, that's.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Hard if you were actually would you what sort of
job would you want these days? If you're a student,
because I'd be thinking I'd probably either I'd learn how
to make a good coffee and see if I could
maybe get a job as a barristol or mixing drive.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
It's funny to say that because I was just talking
to a friend of mine and her sixteen year old
grandson has gone and done his barista thing just for holidays.
He's still at school and he's now applied for fifty jobs.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Fifty Really, god BlimE me, what would you do?
Speaker 4 (33:08):
Yeah, you nailed it with the barista thing or bartending school.
That if that's a bit of fun.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Wow, Like that's the thing. If we're all thinking that,
then everyone else is having that idea. It explains while
there's fifty job applications, hey, just on the well, it's not.
It's a completely different sort of subject in a way.
The trade me thing was interesting that trade me has
been hit with one hundred and thirty eight million dollar
right down to the value of its marketplace business unit anyway,
(33:35):
So yeah, the revenue has been down. Sam Morgan, I
think did the best out of trade me when he
sold it for something like seven hundred million.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Dollars earlier days.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
But actually where there was a time because we do
have all sorts of ways of selling this Facebook marketplace
which you wouldn't go near with a barge pile because
I never think it works. But the trade me things
still it's still the ubiquitous. It's like it oversees people think, eBay,
do you think trade me? Have you used it at all? Shane?
Speaker 4 (34:03):
Yeah, yeah, a little bit, but I think it is
declining and it's a shame because it's an iconic here
week company.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Right.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
But look, I've seen I've seen surveys which state that
people are using Timu and Oli Express more than well.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
It seems to be. That's what it's up against, is
that you can buy in fact, that does seem that
most people talk about if you want to buy X,
Y or Z, it's Ali Express or Temu, which I
don't again, I don't go near either.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
That's so cheap. And the secondhand is yeah, and you
don't have that thing if you know, having to pick
it up or someone send it to you, and you know,
I guess you don't have all of that fath that
can come with doing trade. Me. I just also was wondering,
if you know it's been going so long now that
has everybody sold every secondhand thing that they've ever owned,
and they've une out of things. But I don't think
it is that. I think it's more to do with
things like temu rising and the economy changing.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
I think we've sold the Actually we have solved the
odd thing on trading. I just haven't dabbled in it
for as long I'm still Maybe it's just I haven't
done it enough. But that ol Express and temail wouldn't go.
I just it's not for me. I just don't trust it. Somehow,
I'm worried I'm going to get something that's probably justifies
the price being so cheap being crap. But what do
(35:11):
you think you guys used it.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
I've bought a couple of things and they were fine.
Actually surprised me, I mean because honestly they cost.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Nothing and was the price shockingly cheap where you like,
I don't know how they can do that really cheap.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Which probably means you know, horrible labor that I shouldn't
be buying and supporting, but.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
Seeking concerningly cheap yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Yeah, Oh well, you know, the money speaks sometimes, doesn't it.
You know, it does.
Speaker 4 (35:37):
And it's also frictionless, right because with tradee marketplace and stuff,
you have to deal with a person that is selling you,
as opposed to just click and it arrives at the door.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Yeah, well, it's it was interesting in fact, you say
that's a New Zealand company. But when Sam Morgan owned it,
I guess it did feel like a totally New Zealand company,
but when he sold it. From then on it doesn't.
I don't know, I forget a sense that there's a
little bit of sort of key we loyalty, which maybe
just gets shaved off because you're like, how on this
(36:05):
is just some big conglomerate you know that I don't
relate to at all. Do you think there's something in that?
Speaker 3 (36:11):
Maybe?
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Yeah, hot take.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
I still think of it. I still think of it
as a keywing company, but perhaps yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Oh no, this way just threw that idea out there
that that it does feel ubiquitous. But then again, when
the parent of the company changes, then who knows, Well.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
They're kind of relying on us perceiving it to be
an iconic New Zealand brand. So you know, that's an
interesting thought.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
Interesting thought that timu Money talks.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Yeah, there we go. Hey, we'll be back in just
a moment. It is eleven minutes to four News Talks.
The'd be yes, indeed, Tim Beverage with you and my
panelists Syrene Gardner and Shane Henderson. A lucky last story.
Now some of the times, I guess, guys, but the
Oscars are otherwise known as the Academy Awards. They are
leaving ABC. Well not sure how who's leaving her, but anyway,
(37:01):
they are going to be streamed exclusively on YouTube in
twenty twenty nine. Okay, so it's a little you know,
it's not straight away. They made the announcement saying it's
a multi year deal that'll give YouTube the exclusive global
rights to the Oscars for four years. And it does
feel like it's some of the times with streaming taking
(37:21):
out a YouTube doesn't quite up. I was, actually I'm
surprised it's YouTube, to be honest, I what do you.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
Think it'll work? I think I think what they thought
when they had a little bit of an uptick last
year in numbers, and that was because people were, you know,
cutting it up and younger viewers were watching it in
different ways, and so they're probably thinking they'll just give
into that and be on YouTube and it will probably
get a bigger audience there, and they'll be able to
(37:48):
do clips and you know, all the things. So it
probably makes sense for the awards organizers. I mean, it
is still as you point out, three years away. I
just I don't know. I mean, you know, because I'm
a screen industry person and YouTube has hurt local productions
so much. Just feels like, oh, you know, it's just
surrendering everything to YouTube. Yeah, but it's the way of it.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
What do you reckon, Shane.
Speaker 4 (38:13):
Yeah, I just hope that you still have a sensor
togetherness around this stuff because that's what traditional TV did well, right,
You watch something and then you talk about it at
the water cooler any.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Because everyone's watching live at the same time. I mean,
that's the thing that has well, we have it a
bit with sort of a series that are all the go,
even though people probably watch them at different times. But
I just we're saying this, I was talking about you guys,
Sorry with you guys about this in the break that
I still have a theory that the cynicism of reckuge
(38:42):
e vase when he used to do the Golden Globes
has and at least with me, made me vastly less
interested in the awards because a few of the comments
he made about you know, he'd say, honestly, you know,
if Isis had a streaming service, you'd be calling your agent,
wouldn't you. And he has a crack at the miss
as if you do when an award come up here,
think your god, think your agent and such and such off.
(39:05):
And I think he did. I think a lot of
people who thought that's right, Yeah, good on you. And
I'm way less interested in the awards then I might
have been. But I just.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
Thought it was very funny.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
It was affective.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
I mean people always either, you know, either love the
Hollywood show busy thing and the actors and you think
it's all ry, glamorous and cool, or you think they're
a bunch of overpaid lovey tosspots. I mean, that wouldn't
really have changed just because Ricky poked it at.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
I don't know, I think he by him saying it
in front of them, and you know he's.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
Not the only one to do that.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
But what do you reckon Shane.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
He certainly made an impact. I wonder whether there was
any impact with the Will Smith Cross Rock thing.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
Well, there's certainly been an impact on Will Smith's career,
but it's a different story.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
I still can hardly believe that he did that when
he went up.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
And what I don't believe is that they didn't throw
him out or he didn't have the good sense to
go home, and that he then went up and collected
as award as if nothing had happened. That just to
me was disgusting.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
Actually, and when you think of it, that's that's what
makes you look at it and go, why am I
even bothering watching this?
Speaker 3 (40:15):
He should have been escorted from the building and someone
should have got up and said I'm collecting Will's oscar
because he has left the building. He's very ashamed and
very apologetic, and he may have saved his career which
is pretty much tanked because he just looked like a dick.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Christmas, I've got no way of easy.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
Christmas is lovely.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
Someone who's not as center anyway. Hey, lovely to see
you guys, Irene. Merry Christmas to your thanks for coming in.
Same to you and same to you, Shane. Behave yourself,
good luck with the Christmas shopping you yes bid. My
day continues here, of course, and we'll be back with
(41:07):
the One roof Radio Show with Ed McKnight, and we're
going to be discussing is the model for property investment
has it fundamentally changed? So in the meantime, I think
this is a little bit of my Michael boublo for
about fifteen seconds to ease us into the break. We'll
be back shortly.
Speaker 3 (41:23):
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Ed McKnight's with us. He's resident economist at Opus Partners.
We're going to talk about whether the model for property
investment has fundamentally changed. So you remember the productions at
(02:13):
doubles every eight years, doubles every eight years, ten years, whatever.
I've spoken to a few people who reckon double every
thirty years could be the new thing. So we're going
to talk about whether the model has fundamentally changed. And
also we'll have a chat about those long term interest
rates which seem to be creeping up against probably the
reserve banks wishes At five o'clock for the Parents Squad,
Sarah chat One's with us. She's a psychologist, and we're
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we go a little bit too far to this extent
that your kids get the wrong color iPhone and they're like,
we didn't want the red one or one of the
gray one, or the pink one or the blue one.
And also do we need to keep our kids busy
do we just let them blob out? We'll talk about
that for the Parents Squad at five o'clock and shortly
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(02:57):
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Lots to get on with. Welcome to the Weekend Collective.
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Speaker 1 (03:13):
Your Weekend, Your Way, The Weekend Collective with Tim Beveridge,
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Speaker 2 (03:21):
And my panel. This afternoon, we'll just go ladies first,
showing beauty first. Whatever ticks all the boxes. She is
a producer journalist. She's got a bit to do with
the film industry as well. I think we could fairly
say Irene Gardner, Hello Irene, how are you very well?
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Thank you tim Um, that was very sure that Saturday
before Christmas?
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Yeah? Have you done your shopping? Do you do much
shopping for Christmas?
Speaker 3 (03:45):
I don't have a huge lot to do, but I
have done most of what I need to do.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Good, excellent, well done you and joining joining Irene as
in our panel. An he's Auckland, not an Auckland counselor.
He's Auckland counselor for White Targety. Shane Henderson, get a
Shane here, you.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
Going get a fantastic Yeah, you'll all sit for Christmas
yet I haven't started shopping at all. I'm going to
start after the show.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Actually, really, have you got much to do?
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (04:12):
Heaps to do? They two kids? Yeah, big one, big one.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
I went to I mean not that I bought anything,
but I went to Ikea just to have a quick look.
I must say, because I shopped at Ikea Donkeys years
ago when I was living in Australia and I need
it was just a quick book. My parents, sorry, not
my parents, they're gone. My family were there, and they
carried on. We'd come by separate cars, and I had
(04:35):
to leave, and I said, oh, you know, what's the
quick way to get out? And the guy says, oh,
you've got five hundred meters to walk in that direction,
and I thought, stuff you, ikea, if I want to
get out of here, I shouldn't have to walk past
every blimming thing I've either looked at. Literally, you just
got got to go all the way back to the
beginning or all the way to the end.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
And so clever sales technique.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Well not really, because that's because.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
You got grumpy turned me off.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
I just sort of got that's sort of not coming
back here. Mind you? Famous line words, isn't it. That's
a bit grinchy of me to start with?
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Very grinchy. Did you not like the meat balls or something?
Speaker 2 (05:11):
I didn't go near the meatballs, mind you. I think
we started nicely with a bit of Dolly and Kenny.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Don't Dolly? We love Dolly and Kenny and Kenny.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Obviously Dolly is your number one. Do you have a
Dolly or Kenny? You're too young to sort of do
you go? Who are they?
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Oh? No, I know who they are Yeah. Yeah, yeah,
probably the headlines.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
We've kind of lost Kip Kenny, so we have to
you know, Dolly's still with us.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
That's right, that's that, That is a point. Yeah, now
first things First, look, it was it's been it's been
a big week really in the wake of the Bondi
Beach shooting, and you know, business is talking about you know,
they're going to feel the effects of Sunday's attacks for
a long time. I saw that the the I'm not
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sure if I had to pronounce it, Armadale armored or
arkman Arkhmed. There was a go Fundme page which basically
raised over two and a half million dollars for him,
which I thought he deserved every penny. I actually found
that moment amongst the whole thing. It's the mixture of
tragedy but also something that's actually quite moving to see
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someone put themselves on the line shame. What's your reaction
to the whole.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
Yeah, there was real heroism, wasn't it. I was really
touched to see that, And yeah, just really glad that
people were so generous with that millions of dollars, and
you know, it sort of says something about our society
is that we can get in behind people that have
done an amazing thing like that.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Yeah, Irene, what did you think. I mean, it's there's
so many facets to it, but the attacks, the blame
that's been placed at Anthony alban Easy's feet as well,
which I think, I don't know, it's difficult. I'm not
in Australia, so I don't know how to judge all that.
What do you reckon?
Speaker 3 (06:50):
It's I was really shocked actually, because I you know,
there was the terrible massacre I suppose it's the right word,
you know, in Tasmania all those years ago, and they
massively changed their gun laws after that, and then they
thought to be the country that had kind of got
on top of that because of that awful thing that
had happened, and so when it happened again, it was
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I was quite shocked. It was just I mean, you know,
the obviously is shocking anyway, but just yeah, so I
don't know what all the ins and outs of their
gun laws in the situation will be, but I think.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
They were seen as having, you know, being the country
that was almost the most on top of that.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Yeah, well that's what I sort of think, except for.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
The family connection of course with the son who had
some who been looked at and his dad had the firearms,
and and that's.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
All it takes. It's the wrong people to you know,
it's allful. You know the story we were looking at today,
you know, with the shopkeepers starting to drive and that's
a hard decision, isn't it. You know, if you're quite
close to the area, you know, and it's nearly Christmas,
do you just kind of open up and carry on
like normal or what do you do? It's just yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Think, well, I think you've got to open up and
let normality take place when it takes place, because your
customers dictate that, the public will dictate that you're open
for business. You know, I just don't know. I don't
know what it would be like.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
It's hard being BONDI as well. It's an iconic keyw
of sorry Australian beach town and the place of key
as well, place of joy for generations, and you know,
to have that's a.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Real extra shock, you know. One of the I mean
this one of the thoughts I had about it, just
with regard to the act of heroism. And there was
the couple who tried to disarm them, and they lost
their lives and some of the bravery. The thing that
stuck with me is the model that Hollywood pushes all
the time about what a hero looks like. You know
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that spent the last three years on steroids at the gym,
and they're amazing people, and you know that this is
what the Hollywood hero looks like.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
And white, I might say.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
And I just sort of thought, what absolute there's that's
what heroism looked like. It looks like an ordinary guy,
the last person you pick out of a Hollywood lineup
for who should be the hero of the action movie.
And yet Incredible really wasn't.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
And that strange symmetry of that he was, you know,
a Middle East an immigrant himself, and just yeah, it's good.
I mean, he's amazing.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
It's a difficult one because you know the people who
it is going to be used as a political football
to score political points, and I think it is already
and the sort of righteous indignation, which you can understand
anyone being angry about it happening, but people saying that
this is because the government has supported you know, you know,
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has been critical of Israel against Palestine. It's it's that
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
I just don't like together.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Tragedies do happen, unfortunately, and you know, just going back
to the heroism element, I think that you know, your
rational brand shuts down and you just you act and
people people have that gene and it's fantastic.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
I think the thing is you you just don't know,
and people say I do the same thing. It's like,
you don't know what would happen, but there's either the
fight or flight instinct and you either god it. I mean,
he was had been a policeman in Syria. It did
look like he sort of had a rough eyed about
what he was doing, including putting the gun down pretty quickly.
(10:09):
You can imagine you'd think, here I am and at
least and guy holding a gun and you know, innocent
thanks to put his hand up sort of thing. But anyway,
like a dreadful, dreadful thing to happen to happen anywhere
really on the just on the slightly, you know, it's
not exactly the joyful part of the news as well.
What did you guys make of I mean, you don't
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actually have to say you care about it too much either,
because there has been a hell of a lot of
attention on the Jevin mc skimming. I don't want to
say the word affair, but the whole case, that's the word,
because it was tied up with you know, the i
p c A report and to things being swept up
under the under the rug with you know, the accusations
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from his former lover, and so it's it's tied him
with so many things. But he's finally been sentenced and
he he wasn't listed on the child's Sex offender register
he missed, he avoids been put on that, but he
also avoided going to prison, getting instead home detention. I think,
(11:13):
I mean to be honest, I think his life's ruined
and there's not really any sentence that was going to
sway me one way or the other. What did you think, Iran?
Speaker 3 (11:22):
I can understand that it's probably fair that someone who's
had a life and the police doesn't end up in prison,
because that could go very awry. I was surprised that,
you know, if he was getting home detention it wasn't
bit longer, because it does seem like quite quite serious
offending to me, and nine months home detention doesn't nine
months in jail, year or a longer period of home detention.
(11:46):
I was actually surprised his name wasn't put on the
sex offenders rest. I'm not sure what the threshold for that.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
I think, well, probably actually personal offending against particular events people.
Maybe what did you think of it, Shane?
Speaker 4 (11:58):
Yeah, I took it that it was because he was
viewing it and not distributing it. And this is one
of the first cases of in his Zeale ever had
in this kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
So because there was someone who got five years in prison,
but they were creating the material, distributing it, and the
whole because somebody's saying, we'll look at this case is
and well, you know, all I think of I would
hate to be a judge in one of those cases
because they have to view a lot of that objectionable material,
and I don't they think there's some things you just
couldn't done see it to be dreadful.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
And I think it's always hard when you add doing
what we're doing, which is sort of commentating on something,
because you don't quite get all the nuance of what
actually went on in court and you know both sides
of it, and you're right, I mean, you know his
life is ruined. I mean I don't necessarily a pity
for that because he did that. But yeah, so maybe
the punishment, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
There was one sentence that did stick out to me
is it says it gave a discount the part of
the discouncil for you know, remorse and for seeking happened
doing everything that you should do. But I always think
it's interesting when they say prior good character, and I'm
like the prior good character. I mean, I hate the
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judgments anyway, but it's the appearance of a good you
know what I mean, the fact that you have appeared
to be a good character. I don't know, I don't
know how far back there, going back when they're talking
about pro.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Pryor public service, Well you.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Should have said a public service anyway. Look, God, there's
a couple of grim things.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Yes, let's start with the cherry topics for christ.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
So you know what I did think, let's get let's
get the heavy stuff out of the way. And we
did start with a bit of Dolly and Kenny and
maybe we almost need to bring up a fish a
little bit of positive news. So GDP, I think we're
a little bit surprised about that. But GDP up one
point one percent. The economy grew one point one percent
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in the three months to September, which followed a one
percent There's been a decrease in the previous quarter, and
there's talk about consumer confidence being better than it's been.
I haven't caught up with that yet. Isn't it funny
the numbers? And I actually interviewed Nicola willis about the
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difference between, you know, the data saying things that should
be good news versus while I'm not feeling it yet.
It's a bit like saying, well, the weather forecast is good,
but I don't know where are you at with feeling
good their shape?
Speaker 4 (14:23):
Yeah, look, the boardroom table is happy, business confidence is high,
but the kitchen table, however, still very nervous, people worried
about the jobs.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Sounds like such a line from a politician.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
I am a politician.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
I know something you prepared earlier that is a good one.
It's like the boardroom table are happy, with the kitchen table.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
A good one.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
I like that.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
I'm going to rip off it's good.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Well, I'm seeing we're doing sayings now. I see. You know,
when you read all these different economic indicators, and if
you're a lay person, you sort of try to get
a hand. And there's this wonderful expression, which is that
you could lay all the economists in the world end
to end and they'd never reach a conclusion.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
That's quite a good one to It's.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
So true because you know, as a Laperson, you sort
of go, what does this mean? What does this mean?
They all contradict. Look, it's Christmas. If there's a little
flicker of hope for the economy, I'll go with it.
But you'd have to say it doesn't seem to be
very out there yet.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
But I think that's how it works generally, isn't it.
The data sort of turns around and there'll be certain
parts of the economy that might feel it. But in
terms of the consumer and people who work just you know,
the forty hour week for a living, I think it
takes a while before it feeds through to that sort
of thing.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
Yeah, construction's good, professional services are good. But education is down.
You know, it's uneven, it's lumpy.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
My industry is really struggling, you know, in both screen
and media, really really tough.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Oh actually, I mean I must have me. I'm not
into the Avatar movies. I just don't get it.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
You don't get those blue animals people.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Look, I mean the first Avatar movie was was it
the biggest grossing movie of all? I mean's he's a
phenomenal filmmaker, James Cameron, and he loves New Zealand. James
Cameron and we I think we love them because of that.
And look there was a look that was I mean
that's just over a week ago.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
But you know, wearing my screen industry hat. I mean,
he's Thank goodness, he's down there in Wellington. I mean
that's most of the work that Wellington crew are doing.
He's he's been incredible for New Zealand, you know, for
the economy and letting people know that we're a destination.
We can do all that sort of work. So, yeah,
we love James.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Yeah are you an aver time?
Speaker 4 (16:38):
Not an Avatar guy. I like the economic activity.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
More of a Titanic guy sort of of course. Yeah,
that was that was the uber sort of huge hit
I think before well, he's done plenty of movies on James.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
James's quite bad. I mean, he's brilliant, he is a genius.
I'm not necessarily an avertype person himself either, but you know,
I don't care as long as it keeps helping.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
You know, I'm not sure it's really Chris's time movie
The Terminator, isn't it, But I might have to bust
that out again.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Die Hard is the action for that's also a Christmas movie?
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Yes, yes, takes place at Christmas. Do you have a
Christmas movie?
Speaker 3 (17:16):
I love? Actually, you know the.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Funny thing, I've got a funny story to tell about
love actually, just before you go to the break and
I'm just yeah, my twelve now thirteen year old girl,
her teacher. I think they put on a Christmas movie,
and I think the teacher forgot because if you remember,
there is some gratuitous nudity and are quite a suggestive
sort of an appropriate context, and the teacher had forgotten
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and was like, oh my goodness. I had to sort
of jump scene on that one. But I thought last year,
I thought, oh god, I'm a bit over love actually,
But you know what, I'm going to sit down and
watch it again.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Probably so there's bits of it that haven't aged terribly well,
like the types of humor and things. But well, the stalker,
the guy with the kalking, there's just gorgeous bits. And
that the sad scene where Emma Thompson goes up and
makes a bed and cries. Is in immature plays is
just exquisite. That's forever. And I'm still a bit of
a fan of you dancing dancing in number ten.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Here, you've got a favorite Christmas movie.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
I'm probably home alone if that counts after generation there.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
No, Actually, my kids have just watched that. They loved.
In fact, they said they were surprised it was so violent.
Oh yeah, he does some quite mean thing.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
I saw something the other day Macaulay Culkin's little Boy
who looks a bit like him, which is not unusual
for your children. And apparently the kid watched the movie
and thought it was himself in the film. Wow, he
thought he was the boy.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
He didn't sleep in for days afterwards.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Anyway, I look, we're going to take a break. This
is the panel where with White Tagerty counselor why takety
councilor Yes, Shane Henderson and Irene Gardner is with us
as well. We'll be back in just a moment. It's
coming out to twenty five past three. Yes, welcome back
to the panel on the Weekend Collective with Shane Henderson
and Irene Gardener on my guest today. Now the road
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cone hotline has closed ahead of schedule, schedule or schedule?
Is that the big controversy anyway? Six months of operation.
It was set up in June to report excessive use
of road cones. Was meant to go for twelve months,
but Press Relations and Safety Minister Brook van Velden says
the pilot has done exactly what we needed it too.
(19:25):
And I what was what did it need to do? Shaned?
Was it just to give people the opportunity to go, hey, look,
I've seen them. They've lifted this manhole cover and they've
closed the road for five hundred meters with road cones everywhere.
I need to be able to tell someone about it.
To me, that's what it was for.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
But tell me what, look, I think that's that is
the job as to allow the public to sort of
vent about the road cones. And people are pretty mad
about this stuff. We just came through a local election
where this is one of the things people talked about
with me. But you know the other thing that it
did was tell the industry that actually we're watching and
you've got it got sharpen up and you've got to
got to get things right.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Is it so, but is it because we live in
this are We're living in a society where health and
safety is everything, So everyone's terrified to go, oh, look,
we only need about five or six road cans here, guys.
But somebody's like, well what happens if that's not enough?
Then we're liable and how we get hauled? Is it
because we are sort of public liability terrified?
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Well, well, there has to be balanced because you know,
we're also seeing people driving while we're all on their
phones and distracted, et cetera. So we've actually got to
protect those workers that are operating in that area. So
there is a balance here too.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Because the road cones are not going to do that
if you're on your phone.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
No, well that's I suppose that's true. But it's telling
the driver look, you know.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Except you might hear a thud thud before the big thud,
which you hopefully don't hear. Have you seen have you
seen road cone examples yourself?
Speaker 4 (20:54):
Oh yeah, definitely. Yeah, Yeah, that's common around the council
table to talk about, you know, some of the gorgeous problems.
Is that absolutely?
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Is it a popular Is it a popular cause to
leab Is it.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
It is a popular course to live.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Yeah, how does the mayor feel about does he come
on speak out of school? He's not listening.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
Yeah, Look, he wants he wants action on excessive road cones.
That's one of his big things and he talks about
it all the time.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
So it's job done because we are now having the
conversations and people are thinking about Okay, let's make sure
that this is adjusted for whatever the risk is, and
so it has done its job or what it has.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
And also council has guidelines now that we've got to
implement to make things better.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Okay. Now I didn't go to you as quickly as
I might have, Irene, because I gather you don't you
don't drive?
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Do you know I don't drive it? No? I I
walk a lot. And I was actually really impressed that
Shane was actually having like a kind of quite an
intelligent conversation about the pros and cons of road cones,
because I'd have to say, I don't give a toss
about rogue.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
It doesn't.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Yeah, and I can't believe we had a road cone hotline.
What a waste of money in time?
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Well, I mean, I don't know, was it a waste though, Shane, I.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Don't know if it was a waste, but I'm glad
I don't have just done it online or something a
bit cheaper.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
They've got They've got the job done and they've wound
it up.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
I think that's good.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
I'd like to go back to another point though. I
think in New Zealand we say schedule and in America
you say schedule.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
I mix and match them all the time. It's like
either other than either.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
I might be wrong. I'm open to being wrong, but
I think schedule for US, schedule for America.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Actually know it's on the public transport thing and the
things that take It's interesting the different perspective because I've
got into road cycling recently because.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
And you just run over road codes.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
No no, no. But but the cycling lane, it's the
cycling Liane thing I sort of I've got because I
sort of I look at someone and I go, I
don't think that cycling lines really is really going to
make life difficult for traffic. But there are times when
I go with the cycling lane is absolute godsend. It's
it's an interesting you know, when you go from cyclist
to motorists. But the one that still does my head
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in is just how long they give pedestrians to cross
the road downtown Auckland. It's sort of like forty if
you take the gaps either side. It's like what people
are not crawling across the intersection, you know, you watch
the intersection clears and they're still waiting ten nine eight seven,
And that'd be the thing.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
It's the same for the pedestrians. We're waiting for ages
at the light for the cars.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Cars get a lot less time than those pedestrians.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
Everything takes ages down there.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
I don't know, definitely, And actually it's funny just it
seems so arbitrary. Some in sections it's quite quick.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
One thing you do have to learn as a pedestrian
in Auckland is don't step out immediately that the green
man appears, because there will be at least one car
coming through on the red light anyway.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Well, you know, if we have an opportunity, I would
love them to be there, to be a hotline for
Do you think that this light change for the pedestrians
is too long?
Speaker 3 (24:01):
No?
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Absolutely, but that would have to be accounts driven thing.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
I'm probably not going to drive that one.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
It could be a job for you. Tom you could
have a little sideline doing the hot line on.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
That's what it's called talkbat radio, right, So yeah, I
sort of am already filling that.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Now.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Just on this is an interesting one that was on
TV last night about that shopkeepers. I mean, it's got
a bit of work to be done, but they are
looking at changing the crime. There's going to be a
Crime's Amendment bill which would allow citizens to forcibly arrest
anyone committing an offense under the Crimes Act. So it's
looking at boosting citizens arrest powers. There's a question around
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it says shopkeepers could soon be allowed to restrain children
if they catch them stealing under a new bill. It's
got a bit of work to be done, and principle,
I think it's pretty blurry what you can do. And
there are different citizens arrest powers depending whether it's an
offense at night versus at daytime, and I think that's
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out of date. But anyway, I'll go to you first, Irene.
Now you don't have to arrest someone by the way,
It just no, it's not like Irene.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
You need to be yeah, small, I probably wouldn't try.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Well, that's a superpower, you see, if you are someone
who's a genuine formidable threat. Someone's going to have a
crack at you. But if Irene says you step in
because you are slightly more diminutive for whatever the word is,
they might have to treat carefully with their choices or.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
They might just kill me. I'm not sure about this.
Whole citizen's rein always makes me a bit nervous, you know,
the wrong hands those powers. But yeah, maybe, I mean
I was a bit disturbed to see that. I was
a bit disturbed to see that technically children could be nabbed.
I don't think that should be allowed. I see the
minister did say that, you know, there was a bit
of refining to do, and he didn't think.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
That has a big difference. Well it's an interesting one,
doesn't that, Shane? You climbing with your opinion first before
I get all obnoxious. Not a big fan.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
I mean, workers generally are not trained to take down somebody,
and you know, they're putting themselves in danger and they're
dealing with a desperate person. In some cases they might
be on drugs, they're alcohol.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
But they're already in danger already. So I mean, what
it's doing is giving you the choice you don't have
you don't have to act on it. But if you
do act under the current law, you can get yourself
in trouble for what is essentially someone else's fault.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
And my other concern is that if you're a worker
and your boss comes down and says, well you didn't
restrain them, do you kind of have to act?
Speaker 2 (26:34):
I would say we could work that out. Not what
I mean is I think you you could easily legislate
that no one shall be required to by their employment
to arrest someone, you know. I mean, look, God, there's
all sorts of things you can't be forced to at
the workplace, you know, and rules around much more minor
sort of sort of touch behavior. It's a funny one, but.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
I mean, how are you meant to retreat restrain the
person till the cops get there, like with cable ties
or something.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
I think still seems quite confident in you're to me.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
So for lay people to be making those kinds.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Of say, someone who somebody's breaking into your appliant store
or something and stealing something, you know, things of great value,
are supposed to sit back and let them trash the
joint and then put you out of business for a while,
whereas I don't know, I think giving I'm leaning in
favor of clarifying the law, maybe giving some more powerboit.
(27:28):
Of course I don't want I don't think you should
be grabbing kids who are nicking a few sweets. But
if those kids are coming into your jewelry store with
sledgehammers and weapons, I say you should be able to
restrain them. Absolutely. If their children playing an adult game,
robbing an adult store with violence, I've got zero tolerance
for that, And I say, yep, absolutely, I think people
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should have the powered it and you should. It's not
like check, Can I just check your ID before I
hit you over the head with a sledgehammer? Not that
you're going to do that. That might be a little
over reaction, but you know, I mean, it's it's difficult
because you don't know how old people are. For a start,
if they come into your place, if they're a teenager
and they've got a balaclava on, you don't know they're
a kid anyway, do you?
Speaker 4 (28:08):
So I don't know what that person is capable of
weapon and they get grabbed.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Well, you're not forced to grab them though, That's the thing.
You can step back. I mean as I always remember
the case, of course of the good Samaritan Austin hemming
that when you're talking about it always no, I always
remember that. Look, my remarks always temperate with awareness that
you know, you don't have to step in, and it
is it's risky anytime. So I don't know.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
Well, you know, we were just celebrating the Bondai hero.
But he could have been killed.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
He could have So I think that's why I think
we're all so overcome with admiration and emotion looking at
how brave someone can be. I was terrible. Good point,
it's just the name. I will never forget that name.
And I've made a point of when it happened, of
never forgetting that name because of you know. And the
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good thing is I don't know who the perpetrator was.
I don't remember their name, and that's the way it
should be. Remember the hair's not the perpetrators, it is.
We're going to take quick break. It's twenty two minutes
to four News talk ed B, News Talk zed B.
This is the panel with Shane Henderson, Why Taketi Counselor
and Irene Gardner, who is all sorts of things. Actually
(29:21):
that sounds that sounds a bit I managed to make that.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Sound sort of owner music. Fair.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
We are all many things, aren't we? But no, it's
just because I remember we have had when I've read
your list of occupations out and you said, I can
just limit it to x xcellent. Why anyway? Hey, look,
do you guys the student job applications have hit record
highs testar students obviously looking for work too, and apparently
(29:49):
it's a bit demoralizing trying to find trying to find
a job, because there's more more people seeking work than
there are jobs. Do you guys remember what you I'm
assuming you've both been, you know, students, students looking for
sort of the summertimes, Irene, did you I worked?
Speaker 3 (30:08):
I lived in a small town and I worked in
the chemist shop, and in those is my abiding memory
of working in the chemist shop as a teenager. In
those days, the condoms were kept behind the count the
counter in a drawer, and when boys that I went
to high school with, who went out with girls who
were my friends, came in, they I could see them
(30:29):
skulking around waiting so that they get the man chemist
rather than me behind the counter.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
And did you help them with making yourself absent or
did you just.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
Got to do the dusting of the shelves so that
you know, the man chemists could come.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
outIn you didn't hold them up and.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
Go No, I was a bit shy which.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Time was why aku? I mean, that's not what's the
population of Wayuku?
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Don't ask me that I can't from him?
Speaker 4 (30:57):
I don't worry a couple of thousand now, yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Really shame with the Hey what did you? What have
you done for us?
Speaker 4 (31:05):
I did a bunch of student jobs, but my favorite
student job was putting up marquees. I was the worst
at manual labor that you'll ever find. And I started
the season by putting up the marquees installing the dance floors.
By the end I got relegated to just cleaning chairs
all day?
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Oh why because did you do a rubbish do?
Speaker 4 (31:22):
It's really bad? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Really, I thought you were going to tell me that.
By the end, you were a star. You were the
star laborer. You know.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
I'm, however, good I am at politics. I'm better at
that than I am at putting dance falls.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Have you ever hosted a party at your place where
you'd know how to install the dance floor if you
needed to, I guess how I can direct people to
do it.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Tim, he just said, I am the worst laborer ever.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
I was trying to give him the opportunity to maybe
have a redemption story. I appreciated that I actually worked
at the Forest Research Institute, and there wasn't I mean,
it was a government position, but my dad was a
scientist there, and I think he never had any hand
in it, but the fact that he was very well
(32:05):
known and a scientist there that I'm sure it probably
helped me get it. But actually I had some fascinating
jobs there, in fact, quite scientific sort of thing, trying
to sort out certain rhise of morphs and do these
sore samples or mixture between being out in the forest
and then back and the lab and then out in
forest and back in the lab. But the good old
Fri and rot A Ua quite fond memories of that. Anyway,
(32:28):
I just thought it was an opportunity because I've got
nothing else to say. I don't know what other angle
we could hit with the student job.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Here's the difference. How easy it was for all of
us to get holiday jobs, and now for kids it's
almost impossible. It's just terrible. It must be really, you know, that's.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Hard if you were actually would you what sort of
job would you want these days? If you're a student,
because I'd be thinking I'd probably either I'd learn how
to make a good coffee and see if I could
maybe get a job as a barristol or mixing drive.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
It's funny to say that because I was just talking
to a friend of mine and her sixteen year old
grandson has gone and done his barista thing just for holidays.
He's still at school and he's now applied for fifty jobs.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Fifty Really, god BlimE me, what would you do?
Speaker 4 (33:08):
Yeah, you nailed it with the barista thing or bartending school.
That if that's a bit of fun.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Wow, Like that's the thing. If we're all thinking that,
then everyone else is having that idea. It explains while
there's fifty job applications, hey, just on the well, it's not.
It's a completely different sort of subject in a way.
The trade me thing was interesting that trade me has
been hit with one hundred and thirty eight million dollar
right down to the value of its marketplace business unit anyway,
(33:35):
So yeah, the revenue has been down. Sam Morgan, I
think did the best out of trade me when he
sold it for something like seven hundred million.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Dollars earlier days.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
But actually where there was a time because we do
have all sorts of ways of selling this Facebook marketplace
which you wouldn't go near with a barge pile because
I never think it works. But the trade me things
still it's still the ubiquitous. It's like it oversees people think, eBay,
do you think trade me? Have you used it at all? Shane?
Speaker 4 (34:03):
Yeah, yeah, a little bit, but I think it is
declining and it's a shame because it's an iconic here
week company.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Right.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
But look, I've seen I've seen surveys which state that
people are using Timu and Oli Express more than well.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
It seems to be. That's what it's up against, is
that you can buy in fact, that does seem that
most people talk about if you want to buy X,
Y or Z, it's Ali Express or Temu, which I
don't again, I don't go near either.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
That's so cheap. And the secondhand is yeah, and you
don't have that thing if you know, having to pick
it up or someone send it to you, and you know,
I guess you don't have all of that fath that
can come with doing trade. Me. I just also was wondering,
if you know it's been going so long now that
has everybody sold every secondhand thing that they've ever owned,
and they've une out of things. But I don't think
it is that. I think it's more to do with
things like temu rising and the economy changing.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
I think we've sold the Actually we have solved the
odd thing on trading. I just haven't dabbled in it
for as long I'm still Maybe it's just I haven't
done it enough. But that ol Express and temail wouldn't go.
I just it's not for me. I just don't trust it. Somehow,
I'm worried I'm going to get something that's probably justifies
the price being so cheap being crap. But what do
(35:11):
you think you guys used it.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
I've bought a couple of things and they were fine.
Actually surprised me, I mean because honestly they cost.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Nothing and was the price shockingly cheap where you like,
I don't know how they can do that really cheap.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Which probably means you know, horrible labor that I shouldn't
be buying and supporting, but.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
Seeking concerningly cheap yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Yeah, Oh well, you know, the money speaks sometimes, doesn't it.
You know, it does.
Speaker 4 (35:37):
And it's also frictionless, right because with tradee marketplace and stuff,
you have to deal with a person that is selling you,
as opposed to just click and it arrives at the door.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Yeah, well, it's it was interesting in fact, you say
that's a New Zealand company. But when Sam Morgan owned it,
I guess it did feel like a totally New Zealand company,
but when he sold it. From then on it doesn't.
I don't know, I forget a sense that there's a
little bit of sort of key we loyalty, which maybe
just gets shaved off because you're like, how on this
(36:05):
is just some big conglomerate you know that I don't
relate to at all. Do you think there's something in that?
Speaker 3 (36:11):
Maybe?
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Yeah, hot take.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
I still think of it. I still think of it
as a keywing company, but perhaps yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Oh no, this way just threw that idea out there
that that it does feel ubiquitous. But then again, when
the parent of the company changes, then who knows, Well.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
They're kind of relying on us perceiving it to be
an iconic New Zealand brand. So you know, that's an
interesting thought.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
Interesting thought that timu Money talks.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Yeah, there we go. Hey, we'll be back in just
a moment. It is eleven minutes to four News Talks.
The'd be yes, indeed, Tim Beverage with you and my
panelists Syrene Gardner and Shane Henderson. A lucky last story.
Now some of the times, I guess, guys, but the
Oscars are otherwise known as the Academy Awards. They are
leaving ABC. Well not sure how who's leaving her, but anyway,
(37:01):
they are going to be streamed exclusively on YouTube in
twenty twenty nine. Okay, so it's a little you know,
it's not straight away. They made the announcement saying it's
a multi year deal that'll give YouTube the exclusive global
rights to the Oscars for four years. And it does
feel like it's some of the times with streaming taking
(37:21):
out a YouTube doesn't quite up. I was, actually I'm
surprised it's YouTube, to be honest, I what do you.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
Think it'll work? I think I think what they thought
when they had a little bit of an uptick last
year in numbers, and that was because people were, you know,
cutting it up and younger viewers were watching it in
different ways, and so they're probably thinking they'll just give
into that and be on YouTube and it will probably
get a bigger audience there, and they'll be able to
(37:48):
do clips and you know, all the things. So it
probably makes sense for the awards organizers. I mean, it
is still as you point out, three years away. I
just I don't know. I mean, you know, because I'm
a screen industry person and YouTube has hurt local productions
so much. Just feels like, oh, you know, it's just
surrendering everything to YouTube. Yeah, but it's the way of it.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
What do you reckon, Shane.
Speaker 4 (38:13):
Yeah, I just hope that you still have a sensor
togetherness around this stuff because that's what traditional TV did well, right,
You watch something and then you talk about it at
the water cooler any.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Because everyone's watching live at the same time. I mean,
that's the thing that has well, we have it a
bit with sort of a series that are all the go,
even though people probably watch them at different times. But
I just we're saying this, I was talking about you guys,
Sorry with you guys about this in the break that
I still have a theory that the cynicism of reckuge
(38:42):
e vase when he used to do the Golden Globes
has and at least with me, made me vastly less
interested in the awards because a few of the comments
he made about you know, he'd say, honestly, you know,
if Isis had a streaming service, you'd be calling your agent,
wouldn't you. And he has a crack at the miss
as if you do when an award come up here,
think your god, think your agent and such and such off.
(39:05):
And I think he did. I think a lot of
people who thought that's right, Yeah, good on you. And
I'm way less interested in the awards then I might
have been. But I just.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
Thought it was very funny.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
It was affective.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
I mean people always either, you know, either love the
Hollywood show busy thing and the actors and you think
it's all ry, glamorous and cool, or you think they're
a bunch of overpaid lovey tosspots. I mean, that wouldn't
really have changed just because Ricky poked it at.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
I don't know, I think he by him saying it
in front of them, and you know he's.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
Not the only one to do that.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
But what do you reckon Shane.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
He certainly made an impact. I wonder whether there was
any impact with the Will Smith Cross Rock thing.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
Well, there's certainly been an impact on Will Smith's career,
but it's a different story.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
I still can hardly believe that he did that when
he went up.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
And what I don't believe is that they didn't throw
him out or he didn't have the good sense to
go home, and that he then went up and collected
as award as if nothing had happened. That just to
me was disgusting.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
Actually, and when you think of it, that's that's what
makes you look at it and go, why am I
even bothering watching this?
Speaker 3 (40:15):
He should have been escorted from the building and someone
should have got up and said I'm collecting Will's oscar
because he has left the building. He's very ashamed and
very apologetic, and he may have saved his career which
is pretty much tanked because he just looked like a dick.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Christmas, I've got no way of easy.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
Christmas is lovely.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
Someone who's not as center anyway. Hey, lovely to see
you guys, Irene. Merry Christmas to your thanks for coming in.
Same to you and same to you, Shane. Behave yourself,
good luck with the Christmas shopping you yes bid. My
day continues here, of course, and we'll be back with
(41:07):
the One roof Radio Show with Ed McKnight, and we're
going to be discussing is the model for property investment
has it fundamentally changed? So in the meantime, I think
this is a little bit of my Michael boublo for
about fifteen seconds to ease us into the break. We'll
be back shortly.
Speaker 3 (41:23):
What a
Speaker 1 (41:37):
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