Patriots Postgame Show 12/14: Full Breakdown of Week 15 Loss to Bills

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Speaker 5 (00:53):
I'm Kuannie Lunis, And as you just saw, Patriots lose
US one thirty five thirty one, the Buffalo Bills stay
in it till the end. It was a good game,
and I think that's the consolation that we'll start with.

Speaker 7 (01:05):
Maybe yeah, I mean it's a great start by the Patriots.
I mean I thought they came out and played, you know,
maybe their best half of the year, certainly coming out
forcing the Bills and Josh Allen to punt three straight
times was great. You got a couple explosive plays from
Trevon Henderson. Thought they had a plan in the red zone.
I mean a lot of stuff we talked about on
the pregame show.

Speaker 6 (01:23):
It's like, oh, execute it.

Speaker 7 (01:24):
It's coming. I mean, Rimandre, you know, started things right
off the bat with a fifteen yard carry, and then
Josh Allen and the offense woke up and it was
shades of the twenty twenty one playoff game where they
did not punt five straight scoring drives for the Bills.
The Patriots just had no answers on defense. They had
nobody to make plays.

Speaker 8 (01:41):
You know.

Speaker 7 (01:41):
You can talk about some of the injuries that that
you know led to this point, but ultimately the end
of the day, Josh Allen did what Josh Allen does,
MVP things. He's a fantastic player. You got to put
them away when you have a chance. They had some
chances to do it and they could not do it
this year.

Speaker 9 (01:55):
I agree with Mike if the first thing you said,
you know, that was the best half of football I've
seen Patriots play, not just this season, in a long time.

Speaker 10 (02:02):
Yeah, they were flying around.

Speaker 9 (02:05):
Their physicality up front was noticeable on both sides of
the ball. I thought, you know, Josh McDaniels, as as
Evan would say, was deep in his bag. You know,
some plays were modest gains, but you know, some wrinkles
here and there, and a lot of two back looks
with Vermandra and Trevion Henderson. They would look like they
were doing whatever they wanted to do. Unfortunately they played

(02:26):
two halves. But I agree with everything you said about
the first half was really really good. They're going to
have to figure out a way to go to Plan
B once whatever they're doing stops working. They need to
find a way to figure out what they can do
to make it work. And today they weren't able to
do that. They really had no offense at all in
the second half other than you know, sort of a

(02:48):
broken run and unbelievable individual effort by Trevion Henderson.

Speaker 7 (02:52):
Yeah, I mean that's the thing. You take those two
big runs out, it maybe looks even a little bit
more different, but I don't want to take away from
the start that they had.

Speaker 9 (02:58):
And yeah, the first one like was part of the
like the second one, like you did nothing offense the
whole half. Right, You're running into a brick wall. There's
five guys there, he cuts back and there's nobody. It
was like Marcus Allen in the Super Bowl. You know,
I'm exaggerating a little bit, but yeah, we'll get to it.
But yeah, it was. It was disappointing because the division
was there to be one today and now I feel
like I owe you, you know, and I'm sure everybody

(03:21):
else is gonna yell at me too an apology because
you kind of I still think the division is over.
I think the Patriots had the division, but you left
the door open a crack a little bit.

Speaker 7 (03:30):
I mean, you're gonna have to play down through Week
eighteen now, and that's you know, you wanted it the
easy way. You wanted to secure the division. Maybe it's
just take a little bit of the pressure off. But
I mean, I think if we're honest with ourselves, that
this team that's probably asking a little bit more than
this team should have been asked of. You know, this
first year of Mike Frabel's team, especially with you know,
the Milt Williams injury. Roberts plain active did not play

(03:52):
and you could just see Harold Landry banged up. They
don't have the game changers on defense right now, especially
against a guy like Josh Allen, where that's that's what
you need. You need, someone needed to make a play
to stop the bleeding, and you just couldn't do it.

Speaker 5 (04:05):
Yeah, and it goes back to the conversation we had
last week about the expectations for a team like this,
where at the beginning of the season you didn't even
expect them to get this far, but now that we've
seen their progress, a game like this you would assume
would have been one.

Speaker 6 (04:18):
But again, there are so many factors that I.

Speaker 7 (04:21):
Mean, you got to know when we were saying it
up there, it was Jake Drake May here's your chance first,
you know, fourth quarter comeback of your career. You take
the field with you know, over two minutes left, plenty
of time. I mean, that's a you know, a situation.
And then the offense just continued to look clunky as
they did in the second half. So I think this
is a good lesson for this team, and certainly they're
going to have to face Josh Allen plenty of more times.

(04:42):
And this is a reminder to now the Mike Rabold
regime that this guy is awesome and you're gonna need
your best game for sixty minutes to you know, you
got a twenty one nothing leave it doesn't matter. I
don't think anyone. I wasn't in the press box.

Speaker 6 (04:53):
Like, all right, they got it exactly.

Speaker 7 (04:54):
You knew this was going to be continue to be again.

Speaker 9 (04:57):
I told you, you know, Mike was Mike, and Evan
and I were tal and I didn't have it quite
in the nod category where I was like, they got this.
But I was not expecting the second half donefold like that.
I thought the Patriots would continue to move the ball
the way they made it look so effortless in the
first half, and now they couldn't do anything in the second.

Speaker 7 (05:14):
Actually going three and out with your first possession, you know,
it's like the Bills.

Speaker 9 (05:17):
And that's that's when I said, all, you know, I
knew the Bills would give you a pushback. The Bills
are a good team, you know, I know, like this
is going to come to a surprise to some. The
Bills are a good team. It's a playoff team and
they have playoff metal. I knew they would give a pushback.
I just thought the Patriots would continue to move the
ball and they didn't.

Speaker 5 (05:38):
Well, no need to postpone it. Let's get into good,
the bad, and the injured.

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Speaker 6 (06:23):
And as usual, we will start with the good.

Speaker 7 (06:25):
Sure's let's start with Trevon Henderson. I mean, yeah, here
we go. Who wants to lay up the easy one?
But what a fantastic player he is and just the explosiveness,
I mean, this is what we were hoping that he
would be. And this uh you know, this play here
was the well that was that was one.

Speaker 9 (06:42):
Of the good ones.

Speaker 7 (06:44):
But he just uh you know, I thought the running
game was better, Like I said, right off from the start,
they they had a little bit more room inside. Uh,
and then you know, the big plays from Henderson just
ran hard. You know, I think he's gotten over some
of those early season. I don't know if there's struggles,
just we saw one thing in training camp and then
we got in the regular season and it seemed like,
all right, past protection is a little bit more complicated
than we thought. But you had to believe that his

(07:06):
speed would translate. We saw that all summer and you
know now we're seeing it. Two huge runs, touchdown runs
that I mean, let's face it, that was that was
the offense in the in the second half was that
run one run by Henderson. And you're even watching some
of these plays here for the people watching online, it's
you know, there's still just there, like it's tough for
these guys.

Speaker 9 (07:26):
The benefit of having that home run guy is, you
know a lot of people will do this and I
do it a lot too. Well. You know, the two
big runs sixty five, he didn't do anything on really
any of the other runs. But that's what the big
playability gives you, is we can keep running these tosses
and they're going to bottle them up, and they're going
to bottle them up, but you know what, they're going
to miss one of them, and you know, I'm going

(07:48):
to cut back on one of them, and all of
a sudden, you know, there's just nobody there. So this
is the home run ability that I think we saw
glimpses of in the summer, and he's starting to put
it together. He's a I think that maybe some of
these cuts Mike, Yeah, we wouldn't have seen maybe in
the first month and a half or so, and we've

(08:09):
seen him since that Tampa Bay game. We've seen this
kind of explosiveness from from Trevion Henderson.

Speaker 7 (08:14):
It's been the two biggest new elements to this offense
is Drake May pushing the ball down the field and
Henderson's explosive playmaking. It's for too long, even with some
of the time when Brady was here, it was just
you didn't have either explosive plays down the field because
you didn't really have the receivers or you didn't have
the explosive plays in the running game. And that's you
know what they're getting, So that means they're never out
of it. You know, but at the same time, I

(08:36):
think the overall consistency of the run game is still
you know, it's still a work in progress.

Speaker 5 (08:39):
Well, Henderson, I think there's a level of confidence We've
seen with each game that his confidence has definitely grown.

Speaker 6 (08:45):
But it's just the consistency is now what we need from.

Speaker 7 (08:47):
Yeah, And I mean and I connect that to the
you know, the whole operation. You know, it's not just
the running backs. I do think that they ground out,
you know, a couple of tough carries here and there
to get some first downs. But you know, look, the
stats looked great. I mean, it's gonna be all the
Patriots hung all these rushing yards. We know how much
that rushing total was, you know, two carries. But at
the same time, I'm gonna know this touchdown Drake getting

(09:08):
out in front of it, I mean, he just you
were hoping that this play could snap them out of
their funk in the second half and it and it
really didn't. You know, credit to the defense for getting
forced in that last punt and at least giving them
a chance, but overall, it's just just it wasn't good
enough in the second half. And I wonder if the
team ran out of gas a little bit, you know,
if it's just that day, they couldn't maintain that kind

(09:28):
of you know, mindset they came out with. I don't know,
I don't know what the reason was, but tailor two halves.

Speaker 9 (09:33):
Yeah, absolutely, and I'm gonna you know, Mike, you mentioned that,
you know, there's two big runs. I'm gonna put ramondra
Stevenson on the list as well. I thought that, you know,
he set the tone with the fifteen yarder, but six
carries fifty yards, that's.

Speaker 10 (09:48):
More production when we've seen from him in quite some time.

Speaker 9 (09:50):
He looked a little I thought he looked a little
bit quicker today, more decisive. Three three catches also for
twenty seven more yards. Sixteen yarder, big play to start
this maybe the second drive of the second half, and
ended up stalling from there, but there was like a
little skirmish on the sideline after it. But I thought
he he set the tone, I thought early. And then

(10:11):
Henderson with the big play. So those are the kinds
of Stevenson's gonna give you the bulldozer inside he can't
give you those those big plays that Henderson does. Looks
like a pretty good combination though, you know, I know
I don't want to hear it today myself, to be
honest with you, but I know people aren't going to
want to hear anything positive today. But I think that
was a positive development the way those two guys compliment
one another.

Speaker 7 (10:32):
Yeah, I mean, look, I don't. I mean, I think
we all had to grapple with they might lose this game,
and I mean to go down thirty five thirty one
to the Bills in December. You know, it's it's not
like they walked in here and what was the score
when they croaked him? You know, I mean saying, it
doesn't look like it's.

Speaker 9 (10:46):
One of those If you told me they're going to
lose thirty five thirty one, I'd say, okay, yeah, all right,
you've gotten to shoot out with Josh Allen. That's what
Josh Allen do, right, But you can't blow twenty one
nothing leads.

Speaker 10 (10:58):
Now, that's twenty four to seven at the house.

Speaker 7 (10:59):
Definitely fair, but not entirely unexpected of a team like this,
who you know, is young, missing some guys and you know, so,
I look, it's it still hurts, no question, you had
an opportunity here and you don't want to look back
at the end of the season and say, you know,
you've got a huge opportunity there coming out of the
by then you squandered it. Then things want, you know,
they they got to figure out this week a way

(11:19):
to come back and go play a Baltimore team that's
going to be hungry and desperate too, uh and get
back on the track.

Speaker 9 (11:25):
He's coming off a win, a rare win, so they're
still alive, you know, Baltimore. I was, you know, kind
of thinking, you know, Baltimore loses that game to Cincinnati
on the road and all of a sudden, there's six
and eight. What do they have to play for? Now?

Speaker 7 (11:37):
There's life?

Speaker 9 (11:38):
You know in Baltimore they had a I think a
twenty like a twenty four to nothing win.

Speaker 10 (11:41):
Today they shout out Joe Burrow and Jamar.

Speaker 9 (11:43):
Chase, So maybe that defense played it played with a
little bit of passion today that they haven't had. But
you're right, it's again my apologies, like you've given you've
given life.

Speaker 7 (11:56):
I mean, I don't know what that game was like,
I'm just looking at real quickly. Lamar was eight of twelve,
one hundre fifty yards and two touchdowns, Like it was.

Speaker 10 (12:03):
It was really really cool.

Speaker 9 (12:04):
Well there was I know there was a long pick
six for the Ravens for one of the touchdowns.

Speaker 7 (12:11):
Yeah, I mean, so.

Speaker 9 (12:13):
Just piggybacking on some of this stuff with the running.
This is mostly running today. We'll get to the the
passing game in another list.

Speaker 10 (12:21):
The red zone offense.

Speaker 9 (12:23):
You know, Mike and I and Evan spent the week
Kwannie talking about some of the things they might be
able to do differently to jumpstart the red zone offense,
and that was getting one of the things that we
everybody mentioned, not like we were breaking new ground, getting
Drake May involved in some of those red zone situations

(12:43):
with the run, and you know, you get two and
I definitely think the second one, obviously, the first one
was a design run. The second one I think was
a quarterback draw. Garrett Bradberry was pretty far downfield on
that play, so I think that was a designed quarterback draw.
You know. So two touchdown runs for May eight yards,
seven yards, boom, boom. It's nice that Josh mccanis is
listening to Patriots unfilter.

Speaker 7 (13:05):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 9 (13:06):
But I thought the red zone offense was a positive
development early on in this game.

Speaker 5 (13:10):
Yeah, that's the frustrating part about the good list because
most of it is first half heavy, and then when
you get to the second half there, I don't think
much stands, but the on on my good list for
the defense, I pinpointed.

Speaker 6 (13:22):
A few players.

Speaker 5 (13:23):
Jack Gibbons with that sack on Allen, we had Harrol
and Would a sack as well. Christian Ellis wou a
very essential breakup. So looking at the history of this
defense of the last few weeks, it's good. But again
when you look at the second half, I don't really
it's like a half point, like a half sack.

Speaker 7 (13:40):
They couldn't stop, couldn't wow.

Speaker 9 (13:42):
Is that the opposite of that?

Speaker 7 (13:46):
It is not the thread I was hoping he was
going to walk in. I thought we were hats and doughnuts. Right,
it looks like he's Darth Vader there.

Speaker 5 (13:52):
And do you have anything for the good I know,
I'm good.

Speaker 9 (13:58):
We did the running backs obviously, you know, we talked
about Henderson's home run ability, and I thought Stevenson was
better today to red zone offense early in the game
with Drake May getting involved with therh know.

Speaker 7 (14:09):
Fred, it's hard on Bully.

Speaker 9 (14:12):
We have to try to be provision still within reach it, Mike,
did you have.

Speaker 7 (14:16):
Anything I wanted to say. I just wanted to highlight
I thought the first half pass protection was excellent.

Speaker 9 (14:20):
I just thought I thought the pass protection in the games.

Speaker 7 (14:22):
I mean, there were a few key sacks at the
end that it was but I thought those were.

Speaker 9 (14:25):
Coverage sacks right right, coverage sacks.

Speaker 7 (14:28):
I did want to qualify it a little bit in
the second, but I just thought Drake really found a
rhythm and there were you know, a couple of times downfield.
I mean, ultimately, his production wasn't really all that high
in the passing game. Would have liked to see more
of that. That's probably what was missing, especially at the end.
It seemed like he was off, you know, just passes
didn't look right behind guys up But.

Speaker 9 (14:45):
I had pass protection. I had my past pass protection
on my list as well. I thought those guys up front,
you know, you know, if Wilson's healthy or not, like
he looked he looked fine. And Verderian low again, Vaderian
low again was was there's no drop off there at all? Yeah,
they're fine. I thought the pass protection was good. I

(15:05):
had Booty specifically for that catch. Turtle catch. Fred was
telling me during the game. I let Fred explain what
maybe what Jean's territory was, saying that maybe Patriots got
a little fortunate on that. Jean's sterotor seemed to think
the ball moved when you get the ground, and maybe
even he stepped out of bounds.

Speaker 11 (15:21):
Well he didn't on his route. I saw that. I
don't think he did. I mean, I don't think he did.

Speaker 9 (15:27):
Watched it, I thought he caught it. But they, like
I guess stereotory said this ball moves and it would
have likely been overturned had had a ra McDermott. Yeah,
over challenged it. But this is a terrific play. This
is a big third down early in the game. They
were on the verge of going three and out to
start the game, and you know obviously that jump starts

(15:48):
a touchdown, drives and get you off to your your
seven nothing lead and route to a twenty one nothing lead.
That was a big catch.

Speaker 11 (15:54):
Yeah, it does look like yeah anyway.

Speaker 9 (15:57):
So I thought, you know, the one other play I
would highlight is just the Carlton Davis play, you know,
which gives you an opportunity at the end. It's third
and four. You know, Ty Johnson's a good player. There
was a blocker out there, Josh Palmer is in position.
And you know, again, Mike, you would make in the joke.
You know, Tom Davis leaves all these games, he comes
back in and he finds a way to make a play.

(16:19):
And that was a terrific open field play by Carlton
Davis to give the Patriots one last possession there.

Speaker 10 (16:25):
So that was kind of it for my goods.

Speaker 7 (16:27):
Yeah, that's it for me too.

Speaker 10 (16:30):
It's funny the tale of halves.

Speaker 9 (16:32):
I had like it's in one thing on the bad
list at halftime, and now it just kind of completely flipped.

Speaker 5 (16:38):
I was maybe a little too enthusiastic, like I started
with Drake Drake May May, like I was all in
and then.

Speaker 10 (16:44):
I was someone at some point is gonna have to
explain that to me.

Speaker 9 (16:46):
But this isn't the time.

Speaker 11 (16:50):
I'll do it off there.

Speaker 7 (16:51):
It takes a while.

Speaker 11 (16:52):
Yeah, it just it's it's the tale of two halves.
But well you're not in the bads yet. But all
the good, there's a lot of good that happened. Most
of it was the first half, but even in the
second half. Carlton Davis's play. Paul mentioned Henderson's run, but
both the offense and the defense didn't show up in

(17:13):
the second half.

Speaker 7 (17:14):
Yeah, I wonder if they got tight, Like I know,
I don't know if it's just here it is there
for the taking.

Speaker 9 (17:19):
They looked like they got tight. I do agree with that.
I had one of my friends texting me in the
middle of sort of the onslaught. It was like, they
look like the pressures. The pressure's a factor here. Yeah,
I don't know, only they know that for sure, but yeah,
I mean I'll start my bad.

Speaker 7 (17:36):
With the kick coverage.

Speaker 9 (17:38):
Yeah, you know, the Bills were on the ropes and
you just continue to.

Speaker 11 (17:45):
Twice.

Speaker 9 (17:45):
Yeah, they had three kickoff returns that got to midfield
or better and one of them had a penalty. Another
Brendan Schooler penalty. I know, I pick on him a lot,
but he's supposed to be a pro bowler, and the
special teams do not look great when he's involved, and
they get a penalty every time. And these were all
like this is just look at it, like easily past

(18:06):
the forty yard line. There he you know, bora guy
has saved a touchdown on the first one.

Speaker 7 (18:11):
This is this sets the whole tone to start the second.

Speaker 9 (18:13):
And this is the second half one with Craig Woodson
saves a touchdown. Yeah, look almost on the on the
plus forty on that one.

Speaker 10 (18:19):
So just not good enough.

Speaker 7 (18:21):
Yeah, I had the whole thing. I mean, I think
there was a false start on a punt too. I mean,
I just put the whole special teams in there where
as well. You know that that first kickoff return though,
it's just it's set the whole tone.

Speaker 6 (18:30):
And most of them started after that hat right.

Speaker 7 (18:32):
Right, I mean the forty two, But the last dride
that set up their first touchdown, they started on their
own forty two. They come out to start the third quarter,
they start on the forty four. I mean it's you know,
it's it's special teams letting them down today, especially right
out of that gate and that third quarter, it's just boom,
they're right, they're right back knocking on the door for
a second straight touchdown. What else we got?

Speaker 8 (18:56):
So?

Speaker 9 (18:56):
I had red zone defense, which has been a problem
all year, and they've been saved by the fact that
the defense hasn't really allowed a lot of red zone trips. Well,
today the Bills got to the red zone a lot,
and they ended up in the end zone a lot.

Speaker 7 (19:10):
Oh for four.

Speaker 10 (19:11):
The Patriots were in the red zone today.

Speaker 9 (19:14):
That's big. You know, the only way you can lose
this game is if you can't force a stop or two.
You have a seventeen point lead at half. Even a
field goal on one of those three drives that they
come out with is the difference in the game.

Speaker 10 (19:27):
So I had red zone defense.

Speaker 11 (19:28):
I just think that defense on a whole was a
little exposed today. In terms of the front seven, I've
never seen a more porous middle of a line.

Speaker 10 (19:37):
So I had run fits.

Speaker 7 (19:39):
It was just that's good, just awful.

Speaker 11 (19:41):
And they don't really have anybody up front to make plays.
You know, there's no one making plays. And you know,
without David, I mean without Milton Williams and Splaine.

Speaker 9 (19:53):
No Splaine today either. I don't know if you know,
if you're just watching the game, I don't know how
much they talked about that.

Speaker 10 (19:58):
But he didn't play and they missed him. Yeah, they
missed him.

Speaker 11 (20:01):
You mentioned run fits. It was just the gaps were
just right there for Cooks up the middle.

Speaker 9 (20:06):
Every he's good. You know, he's not saying that they
made a bad running back was.

Speaker 11 (20:10):
Touching them in a four yards, six yards eleven yard.

Speaker 5 (20:15):
There were a lot of miss saks. They I don't
like looking at Josh Allen being wide open. What does
you have defenders standing near him and they're just I
don't know if there's distractions or what they missed one.

Speaker 6 (20:26):
Yeah, Davis.

Speaker 11 (20:29):
Just that run defense just was absolutely terrible, just terrible.

Speaker 7 (20:33):
I mean, I gotta, I gotta. I have to give
James Cooks some credit to I think he's just he's
really good. He's a good player. There's a little crease.
He's going to find a way to do it.

Speaker 11 (20:42):
But the creases weren't little.

Speaker 7 (20:43):
You know, they weren't.

Speaker 9 (20:45):
The run fits. The run fits were a problem, especially
in the second half. But I even thought that, you know,
the game got away from them early and they couldn't
really keep running him in the first half. But he
was He was a going concern today.

Speaker 7 (20:58):
Jess Cook.

Speaker 6 (20:59):
They like cook Cook, Yeah they did, they didn't.

Speaker 7 (21:01):
I don't. I don't know how much he actually gave up,
But I think it's allus on there. I mean, we
were talking about it up in the press box.

Speaker 10 (21:08):
But his guy was open every time that they targeted.

Speaker 7 (21:11):
Him, even even begin right at the beginning. You know
that big crosser that I mean, I thought I got
to see it again. I still haven't been convinced that
that wasn't a catch.

Speaker 9 (21:22):
So when he went out, might have hit his first
foot instead of the ground. I don't know, like if
you got him both down. But yeah, they dodged a
couple of bullets early in the game watching the play,
like Fred said, that might have been overturned, and then
the next drive they get a big play and replay
assist overturns.

Speaker 7 (21:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (21:41):
Yeah, I'd like to see if we can get a
slow down look chasing. Yeah, his hands right there, so
there's a catch one. So now he has the ball one. Yeah,
I don't think he gets the second one down.

Speaker 7 (21:58):
Yeah, Okay, I'm glad to see that.

Speaker 9 (22:00):
But uh, he hit his foot, Yeah, Like the second
foot was coming down, and I think he hit his
other foot and that prevented it from coming down. But
this is Look, when that balls right in his hands,
there's no reason for him to be bobbling like this.
It probably would have been a touchdown if he had
just caught it the first time.

Speaker 7 (22:13):
I thought it was when it was coming down for sure.

Speaker 9 (22:16):
Yeah, I think the Gonzales is an underrated one because
I'll bet you his numbers are going to look good.
I'll bet you they didn't catch a lot of those passes,
but his guy was open a lot. Yeah, just the
self you said, the self destruction on both sides of
the ball. Ready the penalty is Like they had that drive.
I think it was the twenty four to twenty one drive.

(22:37):
Patriots was still ahead and they got a little something going.
They got around midfield and you know, then it's uh,
it's it's a it's a false start on Venerian Lowe.
I think then it's followed by a holding call. Wh's
third and twenty five. Now they ended up with a
with a punt on the on the interception was a punt.
But like that drive, I thought Drake was a little

(22:59):
loose with a couple of throw I don't think Drake
May played very well.

Speaker 11 (23:02):
Listening second half, Drake May was off.

Speaker 7 (23:04):
He would he did not play well.

Speaker 11 (23:05):
The passes he completed were not accurate passed.

Speaker 9 (23:08):
I didn't think some of the some of the passes
he completed early in the game.

Speaker 10 (23:11):
I mean, the booty one was great.

Speaker 11 (23:13):
That was that was That was a great pass.

Speaker 9 (23:15):
But I didn't think a lot of the other ones
fourth grade. Oh yeah, I agreed, Bunny. I thought Collins
failed him out of one over the middle of was
kind of high, and some of the throws in the
second half just looked indecisive.

Speaker 11 (23:29):
Yep, you know.

Speaker 10 (23:30):
I mean, this is by far his worst statistical game
of the year.

Speaker 9 (23:32):
Fourteen for twenty three for one fifty five and a
pick sixty two passer rating.

Speaker 7 (23:38):
It's just I thought it was so good out of
the gate.

Speaker 10 (23:41):
Drake may may no.

Speaker 7 (23:44):
Good observation on that. Uh No, he was just dealing
so much right out of the gate, and I felt like,
oh man, he's going to get into a mode he's protected. Well,
he's getting comforted.

Speaker 9 (23:53):
He was protected. Well, look at these these pockets he's
dealing with.

Speaker 10 (23:56):
He's just like overshooting guys.

Speaker 11 (23:58):
Yeah, yet another one.

Speaker 10 (24:00):
Yeah, that's one should have been picked off.

Speaker 5 (24:04):
And he got lucky when that the one that was
picked off close to what was it the New England.

Speaker 7 (24:08):
That was a good part. It was good.

Speaker 9 (24:11):
It was just like that one's fine because that's third
and twenty five. Get a penalty. That one I have
no issue with. Yeah, I mean, but you could see
how much higher he through this too, like that he
normally does. I thought if Hollins just tries to get
the ball here instead of just throwing his hands up,
he maybe does get the penalty because there's some contacts here.

Speaker 10 (24:28):
There's some there's some hand fighting going on.

Speaker 9 (24:30):
Now, ideally you'd like to see these get let go,
but later in the game they didn't let one go.

Speaker 7 (24:35):
On on Carlton Davis, that was a bad call.

Speaker 11 (24:38):
Yeah, so I said he grabbed his shirt, he had
his hand and his hip, but he made he did
he grabbed nothing, and so there's an impede. Another high throw,
an awful, awful call.

Speaker 9 (24:46):
Yeah, I didn't like that call. I agree with Freddy
on that one.

Speaker 11 (24:50):
And that would have gotten the ball back right on.
That was third down, Oh made it fourth, fourth and four?
Well you know right, yeah, I mean, I'm not telling
you're not going to get the stop. But it wasn't
like the The one to Shakir was a fourth down.
But I think Shakiro caught the ball and Jones did
a good job.

Speaker 9 (25:09):
Of fighting with him to the correct right. And I
think when when Jones took possession of it, he was
on the ground.

Speaker 7 (25:15):
He took it away from him offense.

Speaker 9 (25:18):
I thought that was kind of a close PI too,
but it didn't matter.

Speaker 7 (25:22):
No, I know he caught it right.

Speaker 5 (25:24):
But related to all of that, and I'm not deflecting
responsibility on the Patriots, I was really frustrated with the
officiating for the sake of like and we were making
jokes in the press box, but the fact that the
clock operator there were so many mistakes. And I'm not
also trying to come at that person. I'm sure that
there was a lot of confusion in the communication. But
anytime there's a game where we hear we talked about this,

(25:45):
you hear so much from the refs, I get frustrated.

Speaker 9 (25:48):
That's John Hussy.

Speaker 10 (25:49):
Yes, you tend to hear a lot from him.

Speaker 6 (25:51):
Yes he likes to talk. But that was just a
little bit. Again, it's not a bad for the Patriots,
it's just bad for the viewer.

Speaker 9 (25:57):
Really, this is a great play by both guys, by
the way, watching the highlight of Shakira and Jones.

Speaker 10 (26:03):
Marcus Jones, man, I know I got a crush on him, but.

Speaker 9 (26:06):
He just plays so hard.

Speaker 11 (26:08):
He's feisty.

Speaker 7 (26:09):
It's in good tackle sea He's like he's just not afraid.

Speaker 9 (26:12):
He's a good tackler in the secondary.

Speaker 11 (26:16):
It just it's a frustrating game, very frustrating. You're up
twenty one to nothing.

Speaker 10 (26:21):
There's no reason to lose a game up twenty one nothing.

Speaker 11 (26:23):
No, I don't.

Speaker 9 (26:24):
Care how much you know the other team is going
to push back whatever. You should be able to hold
on to a twenty one nothing lead. Hopefully it's a
learning Wow, big pick six for the Gllians. Hopefully it's
a learning uh, you know, situation for the Patriots and
they figure out, well.

Speaker 11 (26:39):
Here's the thing. Next week, if you play run defense
like you did today, next week you're in a boatload
of trouble. Yeah, because Jackson can run more than now.

Speaker 9 (26:50):
Now, Jackson's not running.

Speaker 12 (26:52):
Well.

Speaker 11 (26:53):
The good news is he can't pass like Allan Ken.

Speaker 9 (26:55):
So yeah, but Jackson's not going to run either. But
Derek Henry could do it. Derek Henry do what James
Cook did today.

Speaker 11 (27:01):
You don't think Jackson will run it all. He's too hurt.

Speaker 10 (27:03):
Yeah, he hasn't been running. No, he really hasn't been.

Speaker 11 (27:06):
Hasn't been, but you watch the watch.

Speaker 9 (27:10):
I would just say that I was kind of I
was figuring Cincinnati was going to win that game today
and then go to Baltimore six and eight, that that
might be an easier game next week. I still expect
the Patriots to bounce back, but you know that's easy
for me to say.

Speaker 10 (27:24):
They got to go out and do it.

Speaker 11 (27:25):
Yep.

Speaker 9 (27:27):
Lamar Jackson who carries for twenty six yards so he's
not running very very often.

Speaker 7 (27:35):
But Derrick Henry, but Derek Harry Hondo.

Speaker 9 (27:38):
Yeah, Yeah, that was a weird game. Not a lot
of plays, doesn't seem like you know, yeah, like twenty
five carries, twelve passes that it didn't seem like they
had the ball a lot in Baltimore.

Speaker 11 (27:49):
Well, for those people that were afraid that the Patriots
couldn't beat the same team three times in the season,
you know, not to.

Speaker 9 (27:55):
Worry about that now that I was expecting that on Tuesday.
Not to worry about this. Fred Curs silver Lining.

Speaker 11 (28:02):
When we meet him again, it'll be one one. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (28:07):
It's just like I said, I said before you're here. Fred,
It's just a reminder of what's going to take to
beat the Buffalo team, you know, and what it takes
to beat Josh Allen. And these are the kind of
games that are going to be happening future. You know,
twice a year at least, you're gonna have to face
this guy.

Speaker 9 (28:21):
You know they are four and oh when allowing thirty
one or more points. I don't know if they're four
and oh they've won four times while allowing thirty one
or more points, Yeah they can.

Speaker 6 (28:32):
Yep, you must have jinxed them with that debt.

Speaker 11 (28:34):
You know, we come out of the first half with
twenty four points in the game with thirty one. That's disappointing.

Speaker 9 (28:41):
That's not good.

Speaker 11 (28:42):
That's why I say it was everyone's looking at the defense,
which they should, but the offense was just as culpable
in the second half.

Speaker 7 (28:49):
I'm guy, you said that the fred I would I
would just give them a slight tip of the cap
for that field goal at the end. I mean, still
to get three points in situations game listen.

Speaker 11 (28:59):
I absolutely give them credit for that. That was like
saving grace. You know you could have you know Bise
were gonna get the ball to start the second half.
You tack on that make it a three score game,
you know, And can I.

Speaker 9 (29:11):
Be a little critical of that?

Speaker 11 (29:13):
Why I have a little pushback of the time management? Yeah, okay,
well that's fine, but because I ended up with three.

Speaker 12 (29:18):
No.

Speaker 9 (29:18):
No, I don't like the way they went about the
whole drive for the exact reason that Mike said, recognizing
who's on the other side it's twenty one to seven,
and recognizing this is an important drive. We need points here.
And I think that they came out and they were like,
we're fine if we go in twenty one seven, if
we get a field goal, we're fine. You know, they're
running the ball, They're letting the next play go down
to the minute, you know, the two minute warning. They

(29:41):
had plenty of time in that drive, and ultimately, you know,
they don't take the timeout to let the toy. You know,
there was twenty three seconds out of twenty six seconds
whatever it was, whatever the hometown clock operator decided was
left in the game, or that the half.

Speaker 11 (29:53):
That they had to runoff the ten second runof.

Speaker 9 (29:56):
Yeah, they could have used the timeout to avoid that.
They chose not to, which limited their play. I think
they played for a field goal, and I think that
they could have gotten a touchdown. I think they had
plenty of time. I didn't I thought they were a
little conservative in the approach there. My offense was humming
at that time. Yeah, but like I said, minor nitpick.

Speaker 11 (30:15):
You know, you come out of the first half twenty
four to seven and you only score a touchdown in
the second half. This is too much of a trend, yep,
the second half production. And I know a lot of times,
you know, they took the foot.

Speaker 9 (30:27):
Off the gas, but that's everybody says. That's what anyone says,
and I keep saying. Now the Giants game, I think
is a little bit different. But there's probably a half
dozen situations that you're talking about, and I keep saying
the same thing. They've done a great job Josh McDaniels
in particular of dial and stuff up and he gets
people off balance. You saw this stuff. There's a double pass,

(30:49):
Today's reverses this that the other thing, and everything is
working and the other team sort of figures it out,
and you know, you sort of revert to the mean, yep,
because you're not quite good enough to do what you
did for thirty minutes today for sixty minutes, certainly not
against a good team. Today. They lost the game because

(31:11):
it was a good team and they were able to
take advantage of it. You know, but the second half
thing is going to be something that's going to be
a concern because they haven't been able to put two
really good habits.

Speaker 11 (31:21):
Were Allen's final numbers.

Speaker 9 (31:23):
Allen was nineteen for twenty eight for one to ninety
three and three touchdowns plus eleven carries for forty eight yards.

Speaker 7 (31:31):
Yeah, yeah, so.

Speaker 11 (31:32):
And then Cook had how manys.

Speaker 9 (31:33):
One hundred and seven twenty two for one oh seven. Yeah,
in two touchdowns.

Speaker 7 (31:37):
Just just looking back through the last few games, dat
Henderson touchdown and one other touchdown. If they have two
two second half touchdowns going back the last four games,
one went against the Jets, none against Cincinnati, none against
the Giants, and just that one Henderson won. And then
if you go back to Tampa Bay, you had a

(31:58):
touchdown out of the gate and then it was punked
down interception and another touchdown there at the end of
steal it up. But I think it is something you
last four games second half.

Speaker 9 (32:06):
And even today it's like like at least that you
know in some of these other situations that you know
that they didn't have a lot of offense, but they
put together today, Like the touchdown today was a broken
play Paul Henderson, right, That was unbelievable individual.

Speaker 10 (32:21):
Effort by Henderson I compared it to Marcus Allen.

Speaker 11 (32:25):
There's no saying they would have drove down the field
on that right, and that's you know.

Speaker 9 (32:28):
They had another chance right after that, you know, and
they went four and out. So yeah, Drake did. Drake
did not look settled in this. I didn't think really
in the game, but especially in the second half.

Speaker 11 (32:39):
Yeah, I think they get a lot of work to
do between now and Sunday.

Speaker 5 (32:43):
Absolutely, if you're vaybel, what are you telling your coordinators
when it comes to these adjustments, because obviously they're the
ones doing the play calling.

Speaker 11 (32:50):
But well, I'm telling Jeremy Springer clean it up, clean
it up?

Speaker 9 (32:55):
Is he ll notice?

Speaker 11 (32:56):
Well, I'm he is in that Special teams are like, yeah,
there's no reason the way.

Speaker 9 (33:01):
I don't know, Mike, when you rattled off all the
penalties on the ray date, you know, like in all
the returns, but they also had a good return wiped
out by a penalty by Mapu. I don't know if
I might have been when hosts aren't listening, might you
might have.

Speaker 7 (33:13):
Included that in the ring?

Speaker 11 (33:14):
Yeah, so you got to clean that up. Uh, Special teams,
you know, I just think with the defense, I just
think they're undermanned.

Speaker 9 (33:24):
I just don't say they definitely were. They missed Splain today.

Speaker 11 (33:28):
Yeah, I just there's miss They missed Splaine, like you said, Paul,
you know, filling those gaps, the speed just and you know,
getting there in time. Yeah, and they were missing talking
about missing Milton Williams.

Speaker 9 (33:42):
Yeah, Milton Williams is a good player, and obviously it
miss him. But like to not have Spallaine in the
middle of your defense, that's gonna be, that's gonna it's gonna.

Speaker 11 (33:50):
Make it for Christian Ellison. I don't think he had
a terrible game, made a few plays, but he's not
He doesn't have the trusting of Splain, you know.

Speaker 9 (34:00):
Yeah, yeah, And I'm not telling you that it wouldn't
have happened if Splaine played. But I those guys, Gibbons, Ellis, Tavia,
I think they're all limited.

Speaker 7 (34:07):
It's got the vibe of the Patriots defenses we've seen
where you take away their most talented guys, guys like
Landry or banged up. They're just starn't guys to make plays.
They aren't guys winning one on one.

Speaker 11 (34:19):
And when you're playing the Bills, you're not gonna shut
them down right, So you just need that one or
two plays like in the second half that get you
off the field.

Speaker 9 (34:27):
And especially when you have a situation like your your
favorite punching bag and you were dead on you know,
are McDermott right? You know he like when it was
twenty one nothing, Me and Fred were having some fun
with McDermott, and you can't. They were so fortunate to
get back in this game because their coach didn't really
get them an opportunity. When you got to do what

(34:49):
Mike Dusou said, and you got to recognize the way
the game is declaring and the other team is red
hot here, I can't just punt it back. They punted
twice on fourth and manageable from the Patriots side of
the field. You can't do that, like you can't, especially
the second one like it was it was third and
like seventeen and they run like a quick screen to

(35:09):
Shakir for like eight, which to me is a call,
like that's a call that I make when I'm planning
on going forward on fourth down. I want to get
half of it back. If I would buffalo, I I'd
really look at him and I'd say he might be
holding us back a little bit.

Speaker 11 (35:22):
Maybe he knew a little bit more though today I
don't know it worked out. Yeah, he had a field, Yeah.

Speaker 9 (35:27):
I see. I mean I can just see who won
the game and just decided that everything.

Speaker 13 (35:30):
He did was right.

Speaker 9 (35:31):
But I think he put his team in in trouble.

Speaker 7 (35:34):
But like, yeah, I thought they were a little bit
more aggressive to in the first half with some of
the blitzes and stuff, and it just it felt like
they didn't get a lot of that in the second half.

Speaker 9 (35:43):
Patriots, Yeah, they were. They sent the sink at Josh
Allen's like both linebackers and Marcus Jones.

Speaker 7 (35:52):
Those plays were gone and then you could just see
Alan doing what he does, you know, like these were, yeah,
sending the blitz. I wonder if they pulled off on it.

Speaker 9 (36:00):
You got Ls Gibbons and Marcus Jones all coming.

Speaker 7 (36:03):
On this play. Shoot both those guys. Shoot both those
guys could have got home. Is that my brother, Luke?

Speaker 9 (36:10):
Yeah? Yeah, But you know what it was right there,
I know everybody, you know.

Speaker 11 (36:18):
Twenty four to seven coming out of the half. It's
almost like that two thousand and six Colts game.

Speaker 10 (36:25):
Oh yeah, it was kind of similar. Yeah, it was
kind of similar.

Speaker 7 (36:28):
Fred I that they just started heating up.

Speaker 9 (36:31):
Man, you know this was worse.

Speaker 11 (36:33):
Because we on the behalf. You're thinking, okay, we got
to make our hotel reservation.

Speaker 7 (36:39):
You know, fredsick, I gotta go find those halfs.

Speaker 9 (36:41):
This was worse because it was at home. At least
that was on the road. The other team came back
on the road. But yeah, like I said, look at
it as a learning experience. Got to you got to
get better from.

Speaker 7 (36:50):
It, yeaheah, yeah for sure. And I mean just to
wake up call you hope that this before the playoffs,
before these next three games.

Speaker 11 (36:56):
But now every game, Now, do you have to go
three and oh? Now for what just to get a
home game in the playoffs and to win the division?

Speaker 9 (37:05):
No, you have to. You probably have to go three
and oh to get the buy.

Speaker 11 (37:09):
Or the Bills went out.

Speaker 9 (37:13):
Yeah, so if the Bills went out, the Patriots just
need to beat either no both, sorry, the Jets and
the Dolphins.

Speaker 7 (37:20):
But they don't have to beat the Ravens. Okay, but
you just probably pretty much ensured that that final.

Speaker 9 (37:26):
Game here a tie would go to the Patriots in
the in the events that.

Speaker 11 (37:32):
As long as they beat the Bills, I mean the
Jets and the Dolphins.

Speaker 9 (37:36):
That the two losses are against Buffalo and Baltimore. A
tie would go to the Patriots based on divisional record,
and I know no one wants to win the division
that way, Like you're in control of the division.

Speaker 10 (37:48):
I get what Mike is talking about.

Speaker 9 (37:49):
This is why I offered Mike a little bit of
an apology upstairs, because I get it. Like this, the
division was there. You wanted to make sure you you
you knock the door down.

Speaker 11 (37:58):
I had it all set up to bring caps in.

Speaker 9 (38:00):
But I know, I know, I actually talked about it
on the Sports up Chris that you will bring in
hats and T shirts out.

Speaker 7 (38:06):
Put him on ice a few weeks. Yeah, well, but
it is. It's a challenge. And I mean, I know
Baltimore struggled this year. I haven't seen any of what
that game look like for them, but I just respect
that franchise. I respect how hard they play. They are
a wounded dog right now. Lamar Jackson is hurt, but
he is still a talented dude.

Speaker 9 (38:24):
Sean McVay fourth and four down, seven nothing from forty
The other team's forty five for the game is declared.
I need points playing a good offense. Did Mahomes get hurt? Yes,
it looked possibly serious.

Speaker 7 (38:38):
I didn't seem on the ground, it looked like it
might be serious.

Speaker 9 (38:40):
They were doing the ACL test on the field, but
I don't know. It didn't look that bad like the replay.
But he looked like he was in a lot of
rainer went.

Speaker 6 (38:48):
And had to lean in to hear what he was saying.
So it looked serious. Serious, But no updates yet.

Speaker 7 (38:54):
Keep we can't say that. I mean, I want to know.

Speaker 9 (39:03):
The thing that I worry about, you know, biggest, bigger picture,
the thing that I would worry about the most for
the Patriots is now, if I host Buffalo in a
playoff game, there's nothing I can do that's going to
tell Buffalo that they can't win.

Speaker 7 (39:19):
Yeah right, yeah right?

Speaker 9 (39:21):
How much worse is it going to be than was
in the first half?

Speaker 8 (39:24):
Right?

Speaker 7 (39:25):
So wait them out?

Speaker 12 (39:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (39:27):
Beat him at the end?

Speaker 10 (39:28):
Yep, that's the worst. That's the worst thing that happened today.

Speaker 7 (39:31):
But you know that's I think in context of a
young team with a young quarterback who's you know, never
had a comeback victory like that. Like, I mean, that's
the next mountain across for this team and until they
proved to not only Buffalo, but to any team that
they're you know, capable of hitting a lull in the
second half, in the third quarter, you don't play great,
but then when it's winning time. You know, you saw
Buffalo today, they didn't blink. I mean, they didn't care.

(39:52):
And I you know, in the press box, you knew it.
You knew that they had the capability to score, score, score.

Speaker 11 (39:56):
And that's so the last drive or the last drive
the Patriots, they've got what two forty three left, three timeouts.

Speaker 7 (40:03):
Or in two timeouts maybe, but.

Speaker 11 (40:06):
Yeah, and.

Speaker 9 (40:08):
For the Patriots or offense, yeah, they had plenty of time,
plenty of time, more than three timeouts.

Speaker 11 (40:15):
I just I think this is part of the second
half for May where he just looked a little indecisive.
And I don't know what the play calls were, but
to me, I'd be calling slants, you know, quick slants,
those types of things, quick outs, get it out of
the ball quick his hands, quickly. But get a rhythm going,
get a rhythm going, because we got we got you know,
sixty five yards to go, and it didn't like I

(40:40):
don't know, the ball wasn't coming out of his hands.
And then obviously on that last play, Uh, he had
nowhere to go and he rolls out a little bit
and gets it bad.

Speaker 6 (40:50):
Yeah, like ironically, yeah, you.

Speaker 11 (40:53):
Needed six yards I think on that last play, and
I don't know. If I was May at that point,
I would have just taken off.

Speaker 7 (40:58):
But yeah, that's second down killed him.

Speaker 9 (41:00):
Yeah, on the last play that Joey Bosa was in
his face.

Speaker 11 (41:04):
Yeah, and he knocked it down.

Speaker 7 (41:06):
You think he could have run by him?

Speaker 11 (41:07):
I think he could have. I mean maybe, but oh yeah, yeah,
Bosa's not one hundred percent.

Speaker 7 (41:12):
I think he's not.

Speaker 9 (41:13):
He's not, and you could tell he wasn't one hundred
percent today. But I thought he was right there.

Speaker 11 (41:17):
He had like a three yard gap and he knocked
it down. I think he could have.

Speaker 10 (41:20):
I'm not telling you you're wrong.

Speaker 11 (41:21):
Yeah, not telling him they could have got but like,
but you just got to do something.

Speaker 10 (41:25):
Getting a little help here in Denver.

Speaker 9 (41:27):
Here the Packers having early three nothing lead him look
like they're driving.

Speaker 10 (41:30):
Well wow, I mean.

Speaker 9 (41:31):
You're still you're still fighting for the We're just going
to take up ball and go home. No, still got
things to accomplish. I have to play the role of
Fred kurshion rallied.

Speaker 11 (41:40):
But I just don't like depending on other people. We
had it. I want to control my own destiny. Control
my destiny, I know.

Speaker 9 (41:49):
But there's nothing that can be You can't do it.
He can't change it. You can't change that part of it.
You can hope you get a little bit of luck.

Speaker 5 (41:58):
I will say the silver lining, like you said, it
definitely is a fact that there's so much to learn.
And I know it's corny to say it, but there's
a lot to learn before the Patriots had into the
playoffs of how they really can solidify a deep run.

Speaker 7 (42:10):
Well, and let's see how they react to, you know,
some adversity. I mean, this is a team that means
they've had some adversity, that had some issues, but haven't
lost the games of September, and we know what that
felt like to see them, you know, laying egg against
Pittsburgh and you know, have to bounce back from that,
have to bounce back from the Raiders loss in Week
one and go to Miami. So we've seen them regroup
and rehuddle. But that was a young team. I don't

(42:31):
even know if that team knew what their identity was yet.
So I think this is the moment when Mike Rabel
would say, you know, you'll find out about your identity
when things aren't going well. So when you go into
a game where you, you know, give up thirty five
points to the Bills and you had it in hand
and you let it slip away, what do they have
next week in Baltimore against that's just the tough team.

Speaker 9 (42:47):
The good news is you you you shouldn't have the
ability to lose a shootout next week. The one thing
I think we all kind of wondered and worried about
was this team's ability to win a shootout. Well, they
gotten a shootout today and they couldn't win it. But
I don't think Buffalo Baltimore has the ability to get
you in a shootout.

Speaker 10 (43:04):
Yeah, you don't think their offenses To me, like this.

Speaker 11 (43:09):
Ended up not being a shootout only because one team
was shooting in this first half.

Speaker 9 (43:14):
Yeah, there wasn't a weird shootout.

Speaker 11 (43:17):
Yeah the second half, another team was shooting and you weren't.

Speaker 6 (43:19):
So it was shooting a different time.

Speaker 7 (43:21):
It wasn't.

Speaker 11 (43:21):
It wasn't back and forth shooting the whole game.

Speaker 9 (43:24):
The whole game but one team was missing throughout the
last right now, you're right, Fred, it was a weird shootout.

Speaker 6 (43:32):
Well, people on the line, Yeah, injured just quickly.

Speaker 7 (43:37):
What he does, he goes out, He's out.

Speaker 10 (43:42):
He was out for a little longer. Chunky Trees came in.

Speaker 9 (43:46):
I thought that he had a nice coverage on a
deep ball down the sideline on one play. That's all
we had.

Speaker 6 (43:52):
All right, Like you said, let's get to the phone lines.
Rhino in North Carolina.

Speaker 14 (43:57):
Hi, run now, Hey everyone, Hey, thanks for taking my call.
Obviously a tough day as a Patriot fan. You all
hit on kind of what I wanted to talk about.
It just felt like the defense was a guy short today.
And it takes me back to the trade deadline and
you know, determining not to add to this team. It

(44:17):
felt like they needed another edge player. Alan had a
lot of time in the second half. The Bills killed
us on the scramble drill, and I just worry about
that because I do believe in this team in the
playoffs that they may be a guy short.

Speaker 7 (44:31):
Yeah, certainly without mil Williams and Robert Splaine. Too off
the top, I mean, but I kind of agree with
your point. I mean, you're seeing Elijah Ponder now get
some opportunities, but they are a guy short with Landry
practicing just once during the week, so it's it's apt.
I mean, like I said, if remind me of the
Patriots defense the last few years where they just they

(44:51):
didn't have the guys to make the place. They're not
really turning the ball over that much, you know, and
they just they couldn't come up with any negative plays.
And I think when you look at you know, the
DVOA thing, which is really what that measures how efficient
you are play to play against certain opponents. I mean
they're twenty sixth and twenty fifth in the league after
last week. I mean, you know that's what they look
like today, a team that struggled to make plays and

(45:13):
get off the field against a good quarterback.

Speaker 6 (45:16):
All right, Marty is in Washington.

Speaker 7 (45:19):
Marty, Hey was up?

Speaker 12 (45:21):
Palie Hey, Ollie, Fred have a long time calling. Man.
I've been listening to you guys back before you were podcast.
Will you do it on the computer internet radio?

Speaker 11 (45:32):
You're a real one, oh like.

Speaker 9 (45:34):
A real one.

Speaker 12 (45:34):
And you get you guys when you guys used to
fight with Andy for like five ten minutes time the
whole good time.

Speaker 15 (45:42):
Hey, that game.

Speaker 12 (45:44):
Special teams like they were forest man like like, so
I think somebody brought it up. I think uh, dude,
Smider brought it up. The Bills were starting to like
the forty yard line or fifty yard line, cross mill
field forty algis uh andy he stopped. Looked like a
run back, you know it was.

Speaker 9 (46:05):
It was awesome.

Speaker 10 (46:06):
Yeah, the first kickoff, I think he saved a touchdown.

Speaker 11 (46:09):
Yeah, the.

Speaker 9 (46:11):
Touchdown. Yeah, they started to do that. Both teams actually
did it the last few times.

Speaker 12 (46:16):
Yeah. Wood didn't stopped that one in the second half,
but was cross midfield. I mean that was just awful.
Special teams wise, I think that they were really missed
Milton Williams big time. I mean, I think that's going
to help them. He's gonna be available, I think for
the Ravens. Right.

Speaker 7 (46:36):
No, No, he couldn't get back to Miami.

Speaker 9 (46:39):
Miami, Yeah, no, Jets.

Speaker 10 (46:42):
Jack is the first game he is eligible to return.

Speaker 9 (46:45):
Jets.

Speaker 12 (46:47):
Oh man, that suck.

Speaker 11 (46:49):
I know. That's why I was saying early. If they
can't show up the middle of the line, it's going
to be a long day next Sunday. So they had
some work to do it's gonna be a.

Speaker 12 (46:57):
Long day, I'll tell you you know. I mean not
for not and I hate to blame it on the refs,
but as far as momentum goes that that Carlton Davis
uh P. I was if you don't call it p
I all game long and you call it on a
third down play in the fourth quarter, that, No.

Speaker 11 (47:15):
That was a bad call. But that's the only one
I would complain about, Like everybody was all over the refs,
that's the.

Speaker 12 (47:20):
Only one that's fine. Yeah, you can't just you just
can't call that on a third down.

Speaker 9 (47:26):
Yeah, I know, I thought that was ticky tack.

Speaker 12 (47:28):
Yeah it was a third and four, but that's okay.
But still, I mean, momentum wise, that helps the defense,
Like we just stopped him, we can get it on
fourth down. Maybe we can stop him on this one
and force a punter or.

Speaker 8 (47:40):
Maybe I.

Speaker 9 (47:44):
Give him credit for But I thought that was ticky tack.

Speaker 12 (47:46):
Yeah, I think Marty mau Marty Maphu's that was a
ticky tack call on his hold on the on the
that kick return when and Williams took it back to
the fifty yard line.

Speaker 10 (47:57):
Yeah, I mean that was.

Speaker 16 (48:00):
There.

Speaker 9 (48:00):
That I didn't see the replay.

Speaker 17 (48:02):
Yeah, yeah, but I do know that like at one point,
like Drake threw he threw a deep ball and it
didn't connect and he got hit, and then he came
back up and then after that.

Speaker 12 (48:15):
He was thrown off.

Speaker 9 (48:17):
So I agree with you, and I think that's a
great observation. And I wondered the same thing. I didn't
want to bring it up because I don't know, no, no,
just talking about something got hurt. Yeah, maybe because I
do think he looked better at the very start of
the game than he did, like say, the balance of
the last.

Speaker 12 (48:31):
Three and even on that last possession, it looked like
Treveon Henderson broke off to like the sideline, I guess
for the time out, and then Drake just threw it
to nobody.

Speaker 9 (48:44):
Yeah, that was just miscommunication.

Speaker 11 (48:46):
Somebody said that Drake thought it was an obvious hold
and he just threw it out there defensive hold.

Speaker 9 (48:53):
Me guess that was a fan.

Speaker 12 (48:54):
You can't do that on the that's like a young kid.
You can't do that. You can't hope, I know, to
make a call for you on on at the end
of the game.

Speaker 9 (49:05):
I don't think anyway, this is one of those games.
Rabel's been downplaying the penalties all year. This is one
of those games. Penalties had a big part why you lost.
And by the way, I just sold the defense five
for five that Bills were in the red zone. Yeah really,
because they ended up five for six, but they took
a knee at the end right down.

Speaker 7 (49:23):
Uh. Just interesting note as the next gen sets came
out highest man coverage rate of the season for the
Patriots fifty one. Other highest was Week one forty six,
so they they played an extreme amount of man defense tonight.
For whatever it's worth.

Speaker 9 (49:37):
Yeah, Now, I don't know how much to like necessarily
say well I was a mistake because I don't think
they really carved them up, but they did. You know,
after a while, they did whatever they wanted to do
on offense to Jerry approach.

Speaker 7 (49:51):
I mean, that's one of those cover tight ends. No, no, no,
that's that's that's that's a problem. That's been a problem
all ye Yeah, go back to training camp. So something
to think about for next year when you're trying to improve,
and you know, when people are calling and ask us
the draft, when we talk about the defensive end and
the edge class, games like this or.

Speaker 6 (50:09):
Why which man actually asked you about freaking.

Speaker 9 (50:12):
Christian McCaffrey touchdown. This is a winning in game from
Paul is fantasy.

Speaker 7 (50:21):
That's well, that's why we're here for Paul. We got
your fantasy.

Speaker 6 (50:24):
We're heading to d C Herb, Herb or Herbs.

Speaker 18 (50:34):
I know everybody's probably a little as the point today,
but with my homes going down to the obviously I
don't want to which injury nobody, but with homes going down,
and it looks like obviously the intinnati Bengals were limited
today might be like a little civil line and going
to the playoffs that two what the big dogs might
not be around well a plaff run, so obviously the

(51:00):
two less pretty higher level up as if we have
to overcome. But my question is is a quick question.
What is it about the red zone defense to script
today that give us issues?

Speaker 19 (51:13):
Right?

Speaker 18 (51:14):
Is it as simple as wims stuff, you know playing
or is it a quote unquote les systematic issue that
could bounce into the playoffs.

Speaker 9 (51:24):
It's not a Milton Williams issue because it's been an
issue for fourteen games. But I don't have the answer,
and they seem like they play better defense when the
drive starts than when the drive ends, Like keeps talking
about this, and I don't really have an explanation for it,
but he's right, Like observationally, he's right. The Patriots defense

(51:47):
is fine as long as they can get that stop
right away. Once the other team gets a first down
or two, it's like, well they're gonna they're going to
get down there and maybe they'll kick a field goal
instead of a touchdown. But and you know, might keep saying, like,
our guys, we need to be you know, we need
to be able to say, Okay, it's okay if we
allow a first down, we can still get off the field.

(52:07):
They seem like they get really down in themselves and
then it's snowballs.

Speaker 7 (52:11):
Yeah yeah, I mean I I do think it is
a bit of a talent issue of just in that
kind of space, you need guys who can win quick
and take advantage of one on one matchups and you
quickly disrupt the rhythm of the play. And I think
they're really struggling to do that right now. Didn't feel
like I saw a lot of bar more tonight, you know, inside,
but you know, it's just the backup guys. And again

(52:31):
Harold Nry being banged up. Didn't see a ton of
out of Chase on tonight Elijah Ponder. Just the pass
rush overall just not effective, and I think that's a
big reason. Why So do you do?

Speaker 9 (52:40):
You do you guys think, Mike, you mentioned that they
were pretty aggressive early on, felt like it, Yeah, and
then did they not do any of that? Was it
just not effective when they tried it in the second half.
There's no question that no one had more time in
the second So.

Speaker 7 (52:57):
My eye, it was they kind of pulled off on
the blitzing. And I might be wrong on that. I
just was seeing except to me like it felt like
consistent four man rushes. I think there was even a
three man where they dropped the guy out. I don't know,
I need to look, go back and look, but.

Speaker 11 (53:09):
It just you think they overthought the second half is like, oh,
they know they were going to eat him, And.

Speaker 7 (53:15):
I don't know the answer.

Speaker 11 (53:16):
Yeah, I don't either.

Speaker 9 (53:16):
No, But I mean whether or not they didn't go
after him as much, they didn't get there as much,
that's unquestionable.

Speaker 7 (53:22):
I don't know if they tried, Yeah, they just.

Speaker 11 (53:24):
Weren't take so many like games, you know, so front.

Speaker 9 (53:27):
I will also say, you know what, I want to
give the Patriots defense a little bit of slack because, okay,
so the other team, you know, Buffalo was five for five.
Josh Allen is a really difficult guy to defend in
the red zone for obvious reasons. Right, you know, when
a guy can do what he can do with his
with his legs and his power, you know, like the

(53:47):
touchdown passed to the second one to Knox, I think
that was the last go ahead touchdown, right, I think
they had the They had the touchdown run by Cook
called back for the holding call, which, by the way,
touchdown overturned by penalty. Patriots fans next play touchdown. It
looked like Allen had that perfect scenario for him when

(54:10):
he's got the guys on an island. He looked like
you could run there, and then he decided to throw it.
He's a really hard guy. I'm not telling you that
you should allow five and five, but right here, like
you're really compromised because he easily can get a fifteen
yard touchdown and he's done it countless times.

Speaker 11 (54:27):
Yep.

Speaker 9 (54:27):
You know, if he gets by that first guy, you
have faith that the other two guys are going to
keep him out of the end zone on that overhead
look and then he just throws a beautiful that's a
beautiful pass. I mean, that's not terrible coverage by Gibbons, right, Yep.
It's like sometimes, you know, Mike says it alive. Sometimes
the other guys make play too.

Speaker 7 (54:44):
Yeah, just a little digging, a little deeper in that.

Speaker 9 (54:48):
You know.

Speaker 7 (54:48):
On all the third downs they sent four rushers six
times and six once. The one time they send the
six stack.

Speaker 9 (54:56):
Oh, this is the whole game.

Speaker 7 (54:57):
This is the whole game. But the six other third
down were they only rushed for. They did not register
a single pressure on third down. Josh Allen was five
or six.

Speaker 9 (55:05):
So how do they come up? Oh, this is not
all the third downs were passes. I think they were
because there was fourteen drop backs. Yeah, how many.

Speaker 7 (55:13):
Were the dropbacks?

Speaker 9 (55:15):
That's just third down We're seven total, and six of
them they only rushed four.

Speaker 7 (55:20):
Correct and they did not register a pressure.

Speaker 9 (55:22):
So this is how your mind can play tricks on you.
They weren't aggressive in the game. They were aggressive on
a play it worked. Right now, the argument would be like,
well it worked, why didn't you try it more often?

Speaker 7 (55:34):
Yeah? I mean, overall, for the total dropbacks, they rushed
six twice and they registered one pressure, one sack. When
they're rushing five, I mean thirty percent pressure rate a
little bit better rushing four to twenty one point one.
It's just not not great pressure not great. But this
is one of the bottom four pressure numbers overall. And
you know it is josh interesting numbers.

Speaker 6 (55:52):
But yeah, so something to look at all. Right, let's
head to Toledo, Paul.

Speaker 8 (56:00):
Hi.

Speaker 13 (56:00):
Everybody a long long term Pet fan over fifty years.

Speaker 9 (56:08):
That's longer than you.

Speaker 11 (56:09):
Yeah, well I went old, dude.

Speaker 7 (56:14):
Yeah, I'd like to.

Speaker 13 (56:15):
Make three points. First, Nobody likes losses, for sure, but
I would say that I lost a few games before
the players doesn't hurt, especially for a team that was
on a long winning speak look orse. And for one thing,
it gives us, gives Brable and company something to work on,
you know, areas that they feel need need some tweaking.

(56:40):
The second thing is that I think one of the
drive driving forces in the Patriots, you know, winning speaker
is this speaking for perfection. They felt that we haven't
reached peak yet, and they came close that first half,
and and uh maybe they felt that's it you know,

(57:03):
we we got as close as we could and to
what we what were capable of, and it was a
total backing down in the second half. And Paul, I
know you said that. Certainly the Bills now see some
weakness in the past. That's a I look at the
opposite way. Bills looked awful at first half. They hard

(57:25):
like a great team. I agree, they hardly look like
a great team.

Speaker 9 (57:28):
I agree, And they're going to think to themselves, we
can't play worse than that, and we still won the game.
We we completely capitulated in the in for thirty minutes
and they still couldn't put us away.

Speaker 7 (57:39):
That's that would worry me.

Speaker 13 (57:41):
But against the you know, against the mar but Pats
team in the second half, then I'm going to get
that in the playoffs, I mean, pass will fight.

Speaker 9 (57:49):
I think, oh yeah, no, no, the Patriots won't roll
over for anybody. I agree with you, Paul. I think
the toughness to me is beyond reproach. I agree.

Speaker 13 (57:58):
Yeah. In all, I think this was a great It
was a I don't know, it's a redeeming loss, I think,
and somehow they really needed this.

Speaker 10 (58:08):
I understand what you're saying.

Speaker 9 (58:09):
It's just hard to it's hard to reconcile a twenty
one nothing lead. Yeah, Blue, But this is one of
those things when you always change it when you say beforehand,
like me and Mike were talking, Fred, if you said, like,
before the game, it's going to be a shootout, Bills
are going to come out on top, thirty five thirty one, Okay,

(58:30):
all right, we're here. You know, we're not going anywhere.
But then you find out you'll have a twenty one
nothing lead, Yeah, that changes it. You know, if you
had said, you know what, they've won ten in a row,
might not be the worst thing to not have, like
a fourteen game winning streak going into the playoffs. Sure,
I can understand that. I don't want to blow twenty
one point leads to lose the game.

Speaker 11 (58:50):
Yeah, I don't like that.

Speaker 9 (58:51):
I don't think there's a lot of good that can
come out.

Speaker 12 (58:54):
Of the game.

Speaker 11 (58:55):
If we were the four and whatever Patriots from last year, okay,
battle with the Bills, or if this was early in
this year's season we didn't know who this team was
and we lost thirty five thirty one. Okay, but we're
as good as this team.

Speaker 9 (59:09):
Oh yeah, you know today for in the first half.
There's no argument to be made who which team.

Speaker 11 (59:15):
And a good team doesn't blow a twenty one nothing lead,
So no, you got a we got work to do.
We got work to do before next week.

Speaker 6 (59:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (59:24):
Absolutely, And on that note, we are going to take
a quick break. We're seeing all of the phone lines
lighting up, so Colin will take those calls.

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third time we were picking a legacy here off of
a loss, but I'm going to go with the actual
loss itself. I know, Fred, did you get some vibes
of seven we talked about in the pregame where maybe
some people say we could have lost a game, it
would have done us well. Teddy Bruski took issue with
that when I asked him about it once, But I
think shock. But this is Patriots team, and look, there's
no guarantee. Just because you lose a game to Josh

(01:03:29):
Allen doesn't mean oh now we understand what we need
to do to win. But I thought that today's game
was a perfect example of what playoff games are like,
what it's going to be like for this Patriots team
having to go against Josh Allen, who is going to
be a year in and year out MVP candidate. It's
not enough to score points in the first half. You've
got to play well in the second half. You've got
to find ways to make defensive plays. So I think

(01:03:50):
this game gave Mike Rabel his coaching staff plenty of
ammunition to highlight what this team needs to do and
maybe some of the flaws that are you know, have
carried themselves over through the by So building a legacy.
You're not gonna win every game. We're gonna build a
legacy off of a loss today, and hopefully the team
gets that message and uses it to grow when they
have to go down to Baltimore next week. So there
you go, lost, We're gonna make the best of it.

Speaker 9 (01:04:12):
I like that.

Speaker 7 (01:04:15):
Done, thank you very much.

Speaker 11 (01:04:17):
Well crafted.

Speaker 9 (01:04:18):
But it wasn't just like, you know, Johnny Sunshine, you
know that I can bring with me on Wednesday when
I go to talk to my shows. That was like,
I think that you can benefit. So I'm going to
give you. We started talking about this upstairs a little bit,
like what will the narrative be? And you know it's
going to be like, oh, a reality check. I'm going

(01:04:40):
to make a prediction that those two, in particular Mike
and Tony will go the opposite. But I think I
think they played really good. Guy. I think they showed
you how good they can be. They they lost the game.

Speaker 7 (01:04:49):
The other team didn't beat them. They lost.

Speaker 10 (01:04:51):
They just needed to play better in the second half.

Speaker 9 (01:04:54):
Especially Felger, he'll be very obstinate because everybody else will
go the other way.

Speaker 7 (01:05:00):
Right, what is the mood out there? Though, I'm curious.
I mean, we've heard from a couple fans, but Fred,
what you on your on your blog today? Oh, I
was taking it.

Speaker 11 (01:05:07):
Oh it's hard to blow a lead. But still they
were livid.

Speaker 7 (01:05:11):
Yeah, it's still just such a universe away from what
we've seen in the past couple of years. Though, you know,
so I like, I still there's part of me that
was like, well, at least it was a good game
to watch, Like it was frustrating, but like you never
felt like, man, they're completely outclassed down there, like we
have no chance. Like I mean, I said before the game,
I had a thirty five thirty three score and I
said it was gonna come down to the end, and
that's kind of what happened.

Speaker 9 (01:05:31):
Yeah, this is one of those games that everybody kind
of had, this kind of a game, and that's what
it was. It didn't go the way everybody felt it
with you know, the route to get there, But twenty seven,
twenty four thirty what did you say, thirty three thirty one,
that was my my British thirty five thirty thirty five
thirty three. I mean I kind of expected this is
the way the game. Yeah, I mean, I really like
your thing because you can build, you know, something to

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build on. That was a playoff type game today, so
maybe you got a little playoff experience before the playoff,
so you didn't have to suffer the loss with the
finality of your season being if you're gonna.

Speaker 11 (01:06:04):
Blow a twenty one point league, you're in the regular
season in January and and you know you got humbled
a little bit. Not that I'm saying that they were
too cocky going in or anything like that, but but
you know, everyone needs kicking then sometimes and maybe today
was the day. And if they come back and blow
out the Ravens, great, Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:06:24):
I mean it just shows how quick you can slip away.
You know you have it just like that. I mean,
that's the Falcons from that Super Bowl fifty.

Speaker 11 (01:06:32):
What I want. What I want is Drake Maye to
watch the game from the perspective of Josh Allen say
this is who you can be. You can be this guy.

Speaker 7 (01:06:41):
I think that's a great observation Fred of just even
don't worry. You know you're down by a few scores
out of the gate. Don't sweat, keep doing what you do,
make your plays, ye chip away.

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Speaker 5 (01:08:42):
Welcome back into the Patriots Postgame Show. It's at time
of the show where we have a full house. Matt Smith, Paulparillo,
I'm Quandi Lunez might do so, and.

Speaker 6 (01:08:50):
Red Cursh I almost forgure out your name.

Speaker 11 (01:08:52):
Alright, you want to be today?

Speaker 9 (01:08:56):
Did Fred win on straight such today?

Speaker 7 (01:08:57):
Do you think I.

Speaker 9 (01:08:58):
Believe he he? You have mixed doubles with Muffy.

Speaker 7 (01:09:02):
Love love love love, Okay, but he did win? Did
you win?

Speaker 9 (01:09:07):
No?

Speaker 16 (01:09:07):
No?

Speaker 9 (01:09:08):
Not just like much like.

Speaker 11 (01:09:12):
Pretend where we're you know, we're with some potico. They lose,
I lose. Game was off today, he's Everybody makes fun
of this sweater. Sweater, but it's a Why do they
make fun of the sweater? People?

Speaker 9 (01:09:24):
They just I don't make fun of it at all,
because it's it's a very nice sweat.

Speaker 7 (01:09:28):
It is a very nice sweater. Serious, it's a tennis sweater.

Speaker 11 (01:09:31):
It is a cricket.

Speaker 9 (01:09:33):
I call you federalis.

Speaker 6 (01:09:36):
Classy tennis, classes of the place.

Speaker 12 (01:09:39):
I like.

Speaker 9 (01:09:40):
I like the sweater. And Ginger would be very happy
because she made Paul wear a lot of those like
growing up?

Speaker 11 (01:09:48):
Is that right?

Speaker 7 (01:09:48):
Your mom's name is ginger really, That's it's a fun name.
Not enough Gingers anymore.

Speaker 9 (01:09:53):
Virginia little baby, Virginia Ginger, ginger baby. My father would say, Ginger,
change a channel.

Speaker 6 (01:10:03):
All right, Matt, you were listening to some sound for us.

Speaker 26 (01:10:05):
Yeah, so let's just get right to it. And I
think it was a pretty even killed. Mike Rabel, who
met with the media after today's.

Speaker 27 (01:10:12):
Loss, you know, the one when we had an opportunity
to make a play, we didn't weren't able to make it.
You know, penalties, and that's how this game goes. You know,
a few small plays make the difference. We were very

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prepared for this team to we were going to need
sixty minutes to beat this team.

Speaker 11 (01:10:36):
This is a some good.

Speaker 27 (01:10:38):
Football team, and we had a lot of good football
in there, and we had some you know, a lot
of plays that you know, a few plays that we'd
like to have back, and we'll have to learn from them.

Speaker 28 (01:10:47):
You talk often about complimentary football, al much of the
return maybe by Davis to start the second half fifty
eight yards and some of the issues that you had
with it, well, that was.

Speaker 8 (01:10:56):
Been a strength of ours.

Speaker 27 (01:10:57):
And you know, we knew going in there would be
a good test and a great challenge. And so again
just you know, they're too good to give them short
fields and turnover or excuse me, field position and games
like this is critical making them be able to drive
it and somehow along the way get a stop. And

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you know, so that wasn't the only play. That was
certainly one that you know, we need to get back.
And again that's been a strength of ours and I'm
confident that it will be a strength of ours going forward.

Speaker 7 (01:11:33):
Bills only had fourteen yards of offense in the first quarter,
three punts and then five straight touchdowns. What changed do
you think for them?

Speaker 27 (01:11:42):
They were able to get the running game going. We
missed tackles, you know, we didn't build a good enough wall,
didn't get off on third down, weren't able to create
any turnovers, and we'll get any stops in the red zone.

Speaker 8 (01:11:55):
It's not no.

Speaker 7 (01:11:56):
Secret, you know, I mean.

Speaker 16 (01:12:00):
All the same stuff.

Speaker 27 (01:12:00):
They called the same stuff, and you know, we just
have to be able to take advantage of the you know,
those opportunities that we get.

Speaker 8 (01:12:09):
To to get the drive stopped.

Speaker 27 (01:12:11):
And you know, whether that's a penalty or you know,
one player or a third down conversion. H we just
got to be able to learn from it.

Speaker 11 (01:12:21):
Mike, this is an opportunity for your team to learn
from this situation.

Speaker 7 (01:12:24):
Second half? Is that basically what you told them?

Speaker 11 (01:12:26):
After?

Speaker 27 (01:12:26):
Sure, that's exactly what I told him. I said, you know,
we have an opportunity to improve like we have when
we won, the same as today when we lost and
came up short. Like, there's a lot of good stuff
in there that I'm proud of and that we will
be able to you know, use as a positive. And
there's a lot of stuff that we have to correct

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and make sure that we fix and you know, we'll
do that tomorrow and try to get as healthy as
we can and put a put a plan together for Baltimore.

Speaker 8 (01:12:56):
Coach, what did what did you see from them in
the second half?

Speaker 27 (01:12:58):
Defensively that it's time and you guys a bit offensively
and kept you guys well, we knew they were going
to continue to pressure. They pressured and played zone, and
you know, it wasn't enough for us to be able
to you know, I thought, we you know, there were
times where you know, they pressured and we couldn't come

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clean and you know, or we weren't able to h
to complete some passes, especially on third down when they pressured,
and so you know, we'll have to learn from it,
and we'll have to make sure that you know we're
we're converting third downs.

Speaker 7 (01:13:36):
This isn't Josh Allen's first rodeo in these kinds of games.
He's dozens, a couple of dozen.

Speaker 9 (01:13:43):
What is it about him?

Speaker 22 (01:13:44):
What do you see on maybe in film why he's
able to do this sort of came in and game out.

Speaker 27 (01:13:51):
I mean it's the same thing everybody else ses six
five and fifty pounds, runs fast, hard to tackle or
hard to get down on the ground. It's an accurate
strong arm. Like I'm giving you, you know, dissertation on
the league MVP. It's like just watch all the games.

(01:14:15):
You know that it's just the same as it was
last week. You had a guy free weren't able to
make the play. Last week's team had a guy free
weren't able to make the play. Like why they draft
him in? That's why they pay him sixty million dollars. Like,
I don't know what to tell you, just exactly what
we knew it was going to be that we were
going to need to get a stop or you know,

(01:14:36):
be able to tackle him if we pressured and we
came free, and you know, so hopefully we get another
opportunity to do that, but you know that won't be
for I don't know, but whenever we do, we'll have
to be ready for the quarterback that we have this week.

Speaker 26 (01:14:56):
So they hear Mike Rabel and been talked a lot
about during this season that's been has gone very well
up until today's loss. He's known how to push the
right buttons for this team every step. So where do
you what do you think like Rabel's tone is with
the team after this game?

Speaker 7 (01:15:12):
Pump them up?

Speaker 26 (01:15:13):
They were Okay, I think it we just got to learn,
we got to finish.

Speaker 11 (01:15:15):
Yeah, I think it was exactly what we heard was
what he probably did in the locker room.

Speaker 1 (01:15:20):
Yep.

Speaker 11 (01:15:20):
Okay, we got work to do a lot, We've got
a lot to learn, right.

Speaker 26 (01:15:24):
You got when you got to knock the champ out,
When the champs are on the ropes, you got to
knock them out.

Speaker 11 (01:15:28):
Yep, yep.

Speaker 7 (01:15:30):
It just seems to me like a whole second season
right now. It's it's that pre buy. They were great.
They won ten straight games. They you know, exceeded everyone's
expectations and now it's a four game season or it's
a three game season. You played the first of the
of those final four games, and you know, you saw
what it's going to be like playing against a really

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good team, playing with raised stakes, now playing with a
little bit of weather. So this is how these games
are going to go. Yeah, you know, and they've got
to turn it around fast.

Speaker 11 (01:15:59):
What do you were disappointed in this game in the
second half? The defense of the offense, because.

Speaker 7 (01:16:04):
It's a good question.

Speaker 11 (01:16:05):
They didn't make it a shootout, They really didn't.

Speaker 10 (01:16:07):
Yeah, it's a great question. Yeah, I would say the offense.

Speaker 6 (01:16:10):
Yeah, me too, because I know what's cone offense, right.

Speaker 11 (01:16:14):
Because okay, we can't stop them, but they can't stop us.
That's how you went and all of a sudden, they
were stopping us, And that's I think I'm more disappointed
in the offense.

Speaker 9 (01:16:23):
Why I didn't They just.

Speaker 11 (01:16:24):
Still could have won this game if you could have.

Speaker 26 (01:16:26):
Catched in three out, three and out right at the beginning.
They needed to take some time, give the defense a
little chance to collect themselves at that point in time.
That was the worst time to three and outs that
you could possibly have and it just got them back
on the field.

Speaker 9 (01:16:39):
And here we go. Is a good point, Matt, because
not only that, like and I know, like, what are
you going to do? But when the Bills finally take
the lead, the Patriots go sixty five yards at one player,
the defense is right back on the field, and I
know you like, well, what will do We scored, but
they were.

Speaker 10 (01:16:57):
On the field a lot in the second half.

Speaker 9 (01:17:00):
It's hard, I agree.

Speaker 7 (01:17:01):
I think offense, yeah, and I thought the offense showed
that they could do it, you know, and the defense
did have a good start, but you know that it's
a matter of time with him. If your defense isn'
gonna be able to stop Josh Allen, it's not necessarily
a revelation, but if your offense suddenly can't run on
the worst run defense and can't really throw the ball
accurately anymore, you know.

Speaker 11 (01:17:19):
And and I know this is gonna be sacrilegious, but
I put a lot of that second half on Drake
may I really do you know, because you look at
that first halven. Oh you know, Josh is dialing up
and it looks rhythm blah blah blah. Well, the same
guys are out.

Speaker 5 (01:17:35):
There exactly and then going into this we thought it
was gonna be a shit because we were comparing these
two great quarterbacks. Well one is slowly rising up to
great hands.

Speaker 6 (01:17:43):
But it was I just.

Speaker 11 (01:17:45):
I didn't see. I didn't see Hooper involved. I didn't
see you know, Pop had the one play on the run,
but did he have a target?

Speaker 7 (01:17:53):
No?

Speaker 11 (01:17:53):
No, you know, so no they didn't. I don't know
if that was indecisiveness on Drake's players. The defense was
not the same, like Bill's defense is not that good.

Speaker 9 (01:18:02):
Yeah, well, and they obviously can't stop the run. I
mean they get two undred fifty yards of running the ball.
But the Patriots passing game was not sharp in this
game really at all.

Speaker 10 (01:18:13):
And I know that everybody sort of downplays it.

Speaker 9 (01:18:16):
But the Bill's defense is really good against the pass.
And I think that what we're seeing is you know,
Matt's Matt's buddy. You know, Mike's talked about it in
the pregame. Teams run the ball, so the passing numbers
are down, but they must cover because Drake had a
lot of time to throw today, they must cover reasonably.

Speaker 7 (01:18:37):
Well.

Speaker 9 (01:18:39):
They could not.

Speaker 10 (01:18:40):
They could not get off the field.

Speaker 6 (01:18:43):
Which do we make think that made him overthink all
that time, because.

Speaker 10 (01:18:46):
I mean I should say stay on the field.

Speaker 11 (01:18:47):
Yes, we spoke.

Speaker 26 (01:18:49):
So speaking of Drake, and he did what I think
he's done all year long. He'll be first up here
in the auditorium and took responsibility like he has most
all year long.

Speaker 28 (01:19:00):
You know, came out of the second half and I'm
just gonna make a make a play, pick up the
first first down. I think that's the biggest thing.

Speaker 7 (01:19:06):
You some throws overs I have back.

Speaker 28 (01:19:07):
But at the end of the day, I got, you know,
keep the foot on the pedal and keep it going
and kind of don't let them dictate and starts with
me and starts with you know what else. We kind
of felt like during the week that we had a
chance this is going to happen and just gotta keep
our foot on the pedal. And happened in the first game.
They came back, came back, So uh, just got to
make a play and do my part and we had
the ball and the chance to win the game. To

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go go win the game.

Speaker 9 (01:19:29):
Then we have a mature team.

Speaker 29 (01:19:31):
I will say that, learn from it and everything and
then get back to the basis that we need to
get back to.

Speaker 7 (01:19:36):
I would say, you.

Speaker 29 (01:19:37):
Know, we've lost before and then we know the things
that it takes and everything. Uh, like I said, we
got a mature team, so we're gonna We're going to
dialand and get right. Drake, you spoke this week about
the importance of taking care of business with the opportunity
because of the division on the line.

Speaker 30 (01:19:51):
How do you sort of stomach the missed opportunity and
move on from here?

Speaker 28 (01:19:54):
Yeah, just don't let you don't let it beat you twice,
you know, move on to the next week and learn
from it, and you take what we can and know
that we got some football ahead of us, that it
is important, still very important, and don't just hang our
hat and keep your head up and know that you know,
we had a chance and you know we're there. Just
they made more plays and credit them.

Speaker 31 (01:20:13):
That's who Josh Allen is. We talked about it all week.
I mean, there's there's just props to them. You know,
he went out and you know it, came out in
the second half and did what he does. So you know,
we'll learn from it. It hurts, obviously, everybody knows this hurts,

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but we'll learn from it.

Speaker 11 (01:20:34):
Getting here tomorrow, learn from it.

Speaker 31 (01:20:36):
And and be ready to move on to Baltimore.

Speaker 8 (01:20:39):
Could be better when we're up.

Speaker 28 (01:20:41):
You know, it starts with me making some throws and
then from there just a coach says, no naps, so
just you're not relaxing, And yeah, I didn't feel like
we relax just you know, didn't make really enough plays
and you'll credit them. And I think it's one of
the things that were emphasizing during the weekend, gotta do
a better job.

Speaker 7 (01:20:59):
How we you described just sort of Mike Rabels message
to you guys in the locker room after the game.

Speaker 32 (01:21:05):
You know, I think coach Rabel man, he's such a
he's such a great leader for the team, and you
know his message was really you know, the whole us accountable,
of course, and but to pick us up as well
and just to keep us focused. And I think he
does a really great job at that, and so I'll
respect him a lot as a head coach, and so
I'm thankful that I get to play play on him.

Speaker 26 (01:21:26):
Duce, you mentioned that, you know, there's a nice divide
in line here going with the season pre buy everything
that happened before the bye. Now we're after the BUYE.
Tough game today where there opportunity to learn something. I
think you heard that out of Drake May's voice. You
just can't get beat twice, you know, all of a sudden,
that Baltimore game, which I think everybody thought was going
to be a big game when the schedule came out
in May. That's a big game on Sunday night, you know,

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and let's see how they respond.

Speaker 7 (01:21:50):
And i'd also play up that it's on national TV
again and it's a it's a game that they've got
to get their energy up for. And we've seen that.
You know, l'st what handful of games you saw Monday
night game, you saw Thursday night football game at home.
Now the challenge is, you know, they played in Buffalo
on the road in front of the national audience, but
seeing a team coming off a loss, first loss in

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a long time, and some holes and some injuries, and
you know, to have to regroup and then to go
to Baltimore and bring the energy level up to meet
what the Ravens are going to bring, which I would
assume is going to be a you know, a championship
caliber team that's hanging by a thread right now and
is probably going to search for any way possible to
try to pull out a win. So it's it's I think,
to my eyes, it's a huge challenge this week to

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go down to Baltimore turn this thing around, especially on
the defensive side of the ball. I mean, this has
been a nightmare for a long time. Derrick Henry Lamar Jackson.
It's it's going to be a huge challenge for this
Patriots defense.

Speaker 26 (01:22:43):
Would you guys say, uh, splain make a difference today?

Speaker 7 (01:22:47):
Yeahs, they missed.

Speaker 11 (01:22:48):
I don't know if they win, but they wouldn't have
given up the runs.

Speaker 9 (01:22:52):
It might have been the same outcome, but they missed Spalaine.
I think he's a better player than those guys by
far right, I think he's better than Ellis Benzien Vibey
by a lot.

Speaker 7 (01:23:02):
Just an interesting one though, I mean, I mean, I
guess you guys have probably seen it, but a player
of his caliber to be active, but then not the
play right.

Speaker 11 (01:23:08):
I could have sworn I saw him out there for
a play at the beginning of the game, but I
guess I was wrong. I was fourteen out there.

Speaker 7 (01:23:15):
I mean, I don't know specifically for Baltimore, but I
think it's the kind of thing where he is we
got a real chance you're going he's going to further
get hurt. But it's just such a kind of strange
timeline with everything, and I wonder what would.

Speaker 11 (01:23:27):
Have been the condition to get him out there?

Speaker 26 (01:23:28):
Everybody else gets wiped out injury wise, I don't know, they're.

Speaker 10 (01:23:32):
Thin maybe yeah, I don't know. I mean, yeah, I don't.

Speaker 7 (01:23:37):
I don't think he took a snap.

Speaker 10 (01:23:38):
Ready, I don't think he took a snap.

Speaker 7 (01:23:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:23:40):
Yeah, But like you know, you you made him active,
so like what would have been the situation where Rabel said, Okay,
go in.

Speaker 7 (01:23:49):
I mean, honestly, I thought it was almost like you
just want to have him on the sidelines. You want
to have him leading the group out of the room,
Like can't you do that?

Speaker 11 (01:23:55):
Anyway? Because it was a time I think that second half?

Speaker 3 (01:24:00):
But who was in I mean I think he was
there for emergency, But who was inactive that you could
have used today?

Speaker 11 (01:24:08):
I don't know.

Speaker 10 (01:24:09):
I haven't even So that's the thing, is they right?

Speaker 7 (01:24:13):
Which is exactly why I asked the question?

Speaker 9 (01:24:16):
You know, there was must you ask?

Speaker 16 (01:24:18):
You know?

Speaker 9 (01:24:19):
Theactive the inactive was today was a bunch of guys
that really haven't haven't played.

Speaker 10 (01:24:23):
You know Eric Gregory and yeah, you know Braden c J.

Speaker 9 (01:24:27):
Deprie, Swinson.

Speaker 11 (01:24:29):
I mean, everyone wants to see what he can do
on the end.

Speaker 7 (01:24:31):
I don't think this is a week to have a brighton.

Speaker 9 (01:24:33):
Swinson and c J. DePree are on the roster evidently
because someone inquired about poaching them off the practice squad, right,
because they haven't really played right you know. So I
think they didn't want to lose them after developing them
all year.

Speaker 11 (01:24:46):
Okay, so why did you want to lose him because
you think he has potential? All right? How a?

Speaker 9 (01:24:50):
But if he was ready to play? Is my point
is he's on the practice squad.

Speaker 11 (01:24:55):
Get him out there.

Speaker 9 (01:24:56):
He's helping him.

Speaker 11 (01:24:57):
Get him out there and go get that big guy.
See the big guy over there, go get it. What
is the you coaching?

Speaker 9 (01:25:03):
I like that post post lost Fred is often the best.

Speaker 7 (01:25:07):
You didn't even have your donut? Did you know?

Speaker 11 (01:25:09):
I had half a?

Speaker 6 (01:25:11):
Okay, a little a little sugar. Then Daddy's back in.

Speaker 33 (01:25:20):
Daddy, Hey, guys and Gal, I got three things. I'll
try and make them quick. First thing, I was wrong
when I called in the pregame show and I said
I I thought they had a chance to really break
the game open and and kind of, you know, force
Buffalo to be desperate and not fight back. But they
did and all credit goes to them. The second point

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is the two big things that are going to show
up when the team makes the playoffs is depth. I mean,
no Milton Williams, no Sclame. We saw what happens from
the running game. And you can't play a thirty minute
game against the good team and expect to win.

Speaker 13 (01:25:56):
Just not going to happen.

Speaker 33 (01:25:58):
And the last thing, I have to disagree with Paulin
Freddy for like the first.

Speaker 12 (01:26:03):
Time in a long time, I'm I'm more disappointed.

Speaker 16 (01:26:05):
With the defense.

Speaker 33 (01:26:06):
Not to say that I was happy with how these
played in the second half, but if you scored thirty
one points, you should you should win the game. And
come on, I mean.

Speaker 11 (01:26:15):
Not necessarily against the Bills.

Speaker 12 (01:26:17):
You can't.

Speaker 33 (01:26:17):
You can't, I know, but you can't just like pollow
them to a field goal on one red zone possession.

Speaker 9 (01:26:24):
No I'm not telling you I'm happy with the defense. Yeah,
I'm just saying, like the offense is better than the defense.
So I was more disappointed than them. And if the
defense came up with they got a couple of stops
for you. I wasn't expecting stops. Well, they got a couple.

Speaker 26 (01:26:37):
What's the one thing that I think we've all talked
about during the year that you want to see Drake
may do.

Speaker 7 (01:26:41):
He's he's checked a lot of boxes this year.

Speaker 11 (01:26:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 26 (01:26:44):
The one thing that you haven't to do is you've
got the ball. You were down, take the team down
the field. And for all of the problems that the
defense have had five straight scores, they gave him the
ball back with Paul you said at the beginning of
the show, two forty three and all three timeouts.

Speaker 7 (01:26:58):
Yeah, they did nothing. They let some belief at that pad.

Speaker 9 (01:27:01):
Two drives, Yeah, two drives that he had with the
chance that punted it. They got a three and out
and they went and then they went four and out.

Speaker 7 (01:27:09):
Yeah. Maybe I was just a little a year ahead
of the curve on my is Drake clutch question of
the summer? That was my big question going out, you know,
would Drake taking m VP style League? Just know, will
he be at his best?

Speaker 11 (01:27:20):
I didn't even think about that was that whole MVP talk.
Now it's going to be so, I will say, Josh Allen,
Now the m v P.

Speaker 7 (01:27:28):
No, I don't know.

Speaker 9 (01:27:28):
About Josh Allen, but like I why not, No, I'm not.
I didn't say he's the best player and say he
won't he's the best player, but I will, like you know,
so let's get to this the game again. The first
half when he had the two runs for touchdowns, this
is a crowd to me.

Speaker 7 (01:27:44):
That is very disappointing. Weekend and week out.

Speaker 9 (01:27:47):
I thought the Monday night game was really kind of
blame in terms.

Speaker 10 (01:27:51):
Of the atmosphere.

Speaker 9 (01:27:52):
This place was rocket. Oh yeah, the MVP chant was
started even even in the press box. You can't hear it.
Those two touchdown runs. Yep, the MVP chants were rocking,
and then nothing offensively the rest of the game.

Speaker 7 (01:28:07):
Yep, that was really disappointing.

Speaker 26 (01:28:09):
That was loud on the Henderson long touchdown run to
give him.

Speaker 9 (01:28:14):
Back talking about the MVP R like, I think the
MVP went, you know, wet fart.

Speaker 6 (01:28:20):
Right, Patty, did you make all your points?

Speaker 9 (01:28:23):
Thank you, Mike, Thank you Patty, Patty. I'm not gonna lie.
I was thinking of you when it was twenty one
nothing because Patty, did I remember him saying that he
said it could be a blowout he said he thinks
they were going to blow him out.

Speaker 10 (01:28:35):
I was thinking of my.

Speaker 7 (01:28:36):
Patty, Oh my Patty, where did you have to get
to points to feel like, no, we're gonna blow him out?
Like it have to be like forty nothing. I think
we're going to blow up.

Speaker 9 (01:28:44):
I didn't like I said to you guys. I thought
that you and Evan were a little bit overly cautious
at halftime. But I didn't think the game was over
because I've seen that guy. That's the fourth time he's
won a game while allowing thirty one more or more points.

Speaker 7 (01:28:57):
You know, you said, that's unbelievable. You said, like all
the Bills, they're never going to feel like they're out
of it against the Patriots. With the Patriots perspective, I'm
never going to feel like you have it until like
the clock it's zero, like you need fifty.

Speaker 11 (01:29:08):
I hate, I.

Speaker 26 (01:29:09):
Hate to say what I felt like at halftime, but
it had an AMC Championship game against the Colts kind
of feeling.

Speaker 9 (01:29:14):
Where that's what I said.

Speaker 7 (01:29:16):
It was uneasy, like.

Speaker 9 (01:29:19):
Touchdown Colts.

Speaker 7 (01:29:21):
This guy, this is crazy.

Speaker 9 (01:29:24):
This is an unbelievable story. If this continues, they're up
thirteen to three.

Speaker 7 (01:29:27):
Let's media that up with Rivers.

Speaker 9 (01:29:30):
You don't think they should.

Speaker 11 (01:29:31):
I'm kidding, I.

Speaker 7 (01:29:31):
Know, of course.

Speaker 11 (01:29:35):
I was just gonna say it's.

Speaker 7 (01:29:36):
Dad bought Philip Rivers and I just love it, which
is just crazy to Me's like nineteen years ago I
went to a playoff game to watch him against the
Patriots play and now here he is still freaking doing it.

Speaker 11 (01:29:48):
Somehow.

Speaker 7 (01:29:49):
I love this stuff. Gosh didn't particularly care for.

Speaker 11 (01:29:55):
Eating avocado.

Speaker 26 (01:29:57):
The opposite about himself, struggle probably in a dark place.

Speaker 9 (01:30:04):
He's now taking shots at Brady.

Speaker 7 (01:30:07):
Get a little fat Tom. There's nothing wrong with it.

Speaker 11 (01:30:09):
Come on, even have Alice Carrero.

Speaker 7 (01:30:12):
That's funny. He was just couch two weeks ago coaching
high school football, which I thought was funny. They run
the same offense as the Colts and like a high
school team.

Speaker 9 (01:30:20):
Well here, he played for Shane Steichen.

Speaker 10 (01:30:23):
You know that, right, So that's why he runs the offense.

Speaker 7 (01:30:27):
But is that complicated or is he.

Speaker 9 (01:30:28):
Just yeah, I'm sure it's not like the same offense
dumbed down.

Speaker 5 (01:30:33):
Hopefully all right, Austin is here in mass Boston, Austin,
Austin and Boston.

Speaker 34 (01:30:42):
How's everyone doing.

Speaker 9 (01:30:44):
Than we've all been better.

Speaker 34 (01:30:47):
Yeah, I think we all have. I just wanted to
say the second half, the way the Bills punked us
was not okay. It was not okay whatsoever. And it
reminded me of something. I don't know if any of
you got Celtics fan, but in twenty two we had
a coach who always preached that you can't punk us,
you can't punk anybody on us, you can't you have
that tough mentality. And the Bills just shook that they

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were better at that, and we just went away from
what worked. And I don't know if that was, you know,
if it was a mental thing or if it was
a X the ose thing, but it was annoying to
watch because I've watched I've watched every game this year
from the preseason to this week, and I have not
seen a collapse like that except for the Pittsburgh game.

(01:31:30):
But it was just unacceptable.

Speaker 33 (01:31:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:31:35):
I don't know if it's called punking. If they're a
better team.

Speaker 7 (01:31:38):
I was gonna say, have the better quarterback?

Speaker 11 (01:31:41):
Did the Bills beat you?

Speaker 7 (01:31:42):
Or did you blow it? Both?

Speaker 11 (01:31:44):
Or did Allen both can be true?

Speaker 9 (01:31:46):
Okay, Yeah, I think the Bills certainly, But the Patriots
are complicit and if by not scoring any points play, Yeah,
if the Patriots just mounted a dry one drive. Yeah,
and I'm not even talking about a touchdown drive. I'm
saying like a five minute time off, five minute drive
right somewhere, you know, six six, seven minute drives, Like

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they couldn't sustain any offense in the second half.

Speaker 5 (01:32:11):
Because it's on my feet right now. Josh Allen apparently
throws up before every game.

Speaker 11 (01:32:15):
Yeah, he was throwing up in the second half, but.

Speaker 6 (01:32:17):
He told them it happens every game.

Speaker 5 (01:32:18):
If I don't get enough out pregame, it just happens.

Speaker 10 (01:32:22):
Oh boy, thank you for sharing that.

Speaker 26 (01:32:24):
Yeah, anyway, decided to share it too.

Speaker 6 (01:32:27):
Yeah, exactly, that's what we know about.

Speaker 9 (01:32:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:32:29):
They the broadcast Austin cookies.

Speaker 6 (01:32:31):
Yeah, all right. Back to DJ in Arizona.

Speaker 7 (01:32:34):
Hiy DJ, Hey, mister DJ.

Speaker 19 (01:32:37):
Hey, everyone so sad it wasn't the outcome I expected what,
mister Paul. I know, we had hot hope and everything
did good.

Speaker 16 (01:32:48):
But I will say this.

Speaker 19 (01:32:50):
I was talking to my friends and I was like,
if I look at the rest of our schedule from
coming out of this by if we need to lose
one game, I'd say it beat to the Bills and
nobody else, because that's the only playoff team that I
feel like is gonna be left on the schedule. I
don't think the Ravens are gonna make it. They do,

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they do whatever, but I still don't feel like they
would be a big tough test. I feel the Bills,
like have always been a great team in December. The
record shows it also in December. And then my second
thing I will say, when I did call in Paul
and everyone, I said, if we came with that same

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energy that we had against the Giants, then I felt
we had a good shot to win it. And yeah,
we came out with it's supposed to play, is playing good.
But I don't think we had that same energy that
we did that Giant.

Speaker 26 (01:33:46):
I thought they were better than the Giants. I thought
the game second half.

Speaker 9 (01:33:49):
I thought the energy was there in the in the
first half. I think it was the best half of
football they've played all year.

Speaker 7 (01:33:53):
I couldn't agree with you more, Paul.

Speaker 19 (01:33:56):
I give what y'all are saying by that. What I
mean by the energy is like, you know, that was nice,
big kids.

Speaker 30 (01:34:03):
To turn like the hype.

Speaker 6 (01:34:05):
Yeah, yeah, I see what you mean.

Speaker 19 (01:34:06):
But we didn't have the hype like no player was
just like the sideline turning up.

Speaker 9 (01:34:13):
I disagree.

Speaker 5 (01:34:14):
The most hype I saw them was when Travis Scott
was put on the jumbo tron.

Speaker 9 (01:34:18):
And look at the third down sack and go go
watch the secondary the players in the secondary going crazy.
When I think it was Gibbons that ended up getting
credit for that sack, well yeah they were. I mean
the they forced three punts to start the game. Now
forced is a strong word, you know, but they they

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the first three punts for the Bills all ended with punts,
and I thought the energy was was pretty high. They
just they didn't sustain it. This is We've been talking
about this kind of stuff a lot, you know, and
can they can they get themselves in the situation where
they can play more of a more complete game.

Speaker 7 (01:35:02):
We'll see that.

Speaker 11 (01:35:03):
Is the question.

Speaker 6 (01:35:04):
All Right, we're gonna head to Virginia, DC. Is the person.

Speaker 9 (01:35:11):
Hello, guys, how you guys going.

Speaker 16 (01:35:16):
Despite the all rough you know, kind of aiding the
bills kind of help when the bill is kind of
get key, uh, you know, first down to wait for
the game. One thing I can say about this Patriots
team is like it seems like when they come out
with this energy and they're all fierce and ready to go,
they get way too conservative. And that's one of the
biggest things I always concerned me about this team, like

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moving forward gets the better team, because I always I
kind of felt like that gets the Giants when they
kind of kind when I kind of felt like they
hating to open the door up a little bit. So
if you do that, get the better team. They can
make you pay for that. And that's what can certainly
moving forward with this team and to the punt when
they take these better teams. That's all I want to say.

Speaker 11 (01:35:55):
Yeah, you get a little conservative. I don't know if
that's the case, but it, you know, it looks that
way sometimes.

Speaker 9 (01:36:01):
Did you think they were conservatives offensively today?

Speaker 11 (01:36:03):
They just weren't executing.

Speaker 7 (01:36:05):
I didn't.

Speaker 9 (01:36:05):
I didn't think it.

Speaker 7 (01:36:06):
I didn't think they were conservative. Yeah, no, no, you know,
in the first half obviously.

Speaker 9 (01:36:14):
But like I people don't like my explanation, and I
get it because it doesn't necessarily speak as highly of
the team as you want it to be. But I
think that Josh McDaniels has been so good a dialing
up stuff almost every game that catches the other team
by surprise, and it takes the other team a while
to figure it out. And it's hard to do that

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for sixty minutes. It's hard to be able to sort
of trick and scheme open a guy here, or double
team a guy there to keep a guy.

Speaker 1 (01:36:46):
You know.

Speaker 9 (01:36:46):
I just think it's hard to do that for sixty
minutes every game. And today in the second half. Okay,
so they came out. What did they do to start
the game? What was great in the first half running
the ball? So they come out in the second half
with Mumford as the the extra alignment, the extra tight end,
and they come out run the ball. Well, Buffalo stopped

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the first play. Okay, it's not like they stopped all
the other plays because later in the half the guy
went sixty five yards for a touchdown. But then they
throw and then they got sacked. So two out of
the first three plays on you're three and out, they threw.
Like so, I guess everybody thinks that it was conservative
to run on first down. Ran on the first down

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of the first pla, you know what I mean. Like, so,
when it works, it's a good call. If it doesn't work,
it's a bad call, and that's the that's the plight
of the offensive coordinator, I would say, but you know,
I'm going to go down to the second drive when
when they got the ball. So now it's twenty four
to twenty one, and the Patriots get the ball, you know,

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pass to you know, a short pass that's like a
run to Stevenson for sixteen yards, right then pass pass, pass, pass, pass,
false start, holding call, pass intercepted?

Speaker 10 (01:38:07):
Is that conservative?

Speaker 11 (01:38:08):
Right?

Speaker 7 (01:38:09):
Turn twenty five?

Speaker 11 (01:38:11):
You know?

Speaker 9 (01:38:12):
But like they passed on I know, like literally every
player of the drive was a pass. So so far
in the second half, they've had the ball twice, they
haven't scored, and they ran the ball once. I don't know,
like we can blame Josh McDaniels if we want. I know,
that makes everybody feel better when you have someone to blame.
I don't think it was Josh mcdaniels's fault. Okay, all right, Vinnie,

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they got to execute better.

Speaker 7 (01:38:38):
They've got to execute better.

Speaker 12 (01:38:40):
Are you doing?

Speaker 15 (01:38:41):
Can you hear me?

Speaker 11 (01:38:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (01:38:46):
I'm really happy to see what Mandre Stevens then get
some tough yards up there to see Henderson Rod. I
just you know, I'm excited to.

Speaker 5 (01:38:58):
A little bit, Vinnie, are you laying our show in
the background.

Speaker 11 (01:39:02):
Yeah, there's a lot of echo.

Speaker 15 (01:39:04):
Yeah, what do I do?

Speaker 7 (01:39:05):
Just put it on the internet.

Speaker 6 (01:39:07):
I mute it for now tells them the better, I think,
keep going.

Speaker 11 (01:39:14):
Sorry to interrupt.

Speaker 15 (01:39:17):
Yeah, I just just happy that we found a way
to get the run game going a little bit, even
though we lost. And you know, if we're gonna end
up in the playoffs against Untils a third time, you know,
I guess my superstis side of me is like, God,
lost one, now we can win the next one.

Speaker 11 (01:39:34):
There you go.

Speaker 26 (01:39:35):
Do you feel any better after this game that there's
an Act three coming with these two teams?

Speaker 8 (01:39:42):
No?

Speaker 7 (01:39:42):
I yeah, I still feel that way. I mean, it
seems like they've probably be on a collision course for
another one. But it's just with each game, it changes
how you view it. And I always go back to
I think that the twenty one playoff game against Josh
Allen where you didn't punt, and that's always the impression
I have for him. And this is how it's going
to go with Buffalo, I mean, and what lead is safe?
I mean, and to lessen to these patriots that you know,
what's it look like when Buffalo goes out to a lead,

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like are they going to you know, because that's probably
gonna happen at some point too. But this team they got,
they got a lot to get right in the next
three weeks. And you know, I don't think any of
these games are going to be easy. I mean, the
Jets one, it is what it is. But that Miami
game to a Yeah, I'll let.

Speaker 9 (01:40:19):
You know after the Monday night game, if Miami shows
up to play that game.

Speaker 7 (01:40:24):
Then I'm to get a doctor.

Speaker 9 (01:40:26):
I said, there's a chance that that game is meaningful.

Speaker 7 (01:40:30):
Yeah, I don't. They can't lose.

Speaker 9 (01:40:33):
They can't lose to those those two games. But the
other part of the third game, everything Mike said is true,
Like what happens if if Buffalo, I'll give you another
one Freddy for your boy ra A McDermott. Terrible drive
at the end, so you get the three and out
for us a punt, it's like what four or five

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minutes left. You need a couple of first downs. You
get like a six year run on first down. You
got to get a first down there and he was
like a screen. That was a terrible call, Like I
know they threw the ball, But you got to you
got to get a first down. There you got Josh Allen,
how do you not do something? Dial up to Joe Brady.

Speaker 11 (01:41:12):
He's not calling the play.

Speaker 9 (01:41:13):
Yeah, he's the coach. Ultimately he's responsible. It's an incredible
play by Davis. Yeah, I mean, just that play alone
got him on the good list. That was a great play,
and because of the magnitude of the play, I think
it belongs on the good list. But this is a
terrible call.

Speaker 7 (01:41:30):
To me, what did you think of the p I
on Davis?

Speaker 9 (01:41:35):
So, I thought it was ticky tack, but yeah, by
the jersey, right, yeah he did.

Speaker 7 (01:41:40):
But to me, I didn't see any poll. I saw
the handle on it, but I never saw the stress.

Speaker 9 (01:41:45):
Especially I thought it was ticky tack.

Speaker 26 (01:41:48):
Afterwards, he didn't like the time yet, which.

Speaker 9 (01:41:50):
I think was very late, but he definitely graduate.

Speaker 26 (01:41:54):
I mean, and I think he's right about like, call it.
If you think it was a hold, call it, don't
wait ten seconds, let somebody talk you into it, and
then call it.

Speaker 9 (01:42:03):
So again, this is how close these games are. In Buffalo,
similar play did not get flagged. The Bills ended up
having to kick a field goal to tie the game
instead of getting a touchdown to take the lead. That's
how close this is.

Speaker 6 (01:42:18):
Yeah, all right, we got another call from Danny and Daytona. Danny,
what's up?

Speaker 7 (01:42:26):
Might be able to pump.

Speaker 9 (01:42:28):
Yeah, he'll be all right by tuesday.

Speaker 7 (01:42:29):
Okay, I'm glad we lost.

Speaker 9 (01:42:34):
Let me tell you what. Let me tell it was
a thing.

Speaker 6 (01:42:40):
Okay, Danny continued.

Speaker 30 (01:42:42):
Here's my my take, guys, So I was impressed in
the first half. I have a couple of different things
I'd like to mention. Uh, you all can remember well,
actually earlier, Jeremy Springers should be unnoticed. Everybody on the
special team them, I fire them. Every player they played.

Speaker 11 (01:43:02):
All wow, fire them.

Speaker 7 (01:43:03):
Every player on firing is strong.

Speaker 11 (01:43:07):
That's a little dramatic.

Speaker 9 (01:43:08):
And they just had like a ninety four yard punt
return in the previous game for a touchdown.

Speaker 30 (01:43:12):
Right, I make the infer the special teams was absolutely horrendous.

Speaker 10 (01:43:16):
They were bad today and definitely part of the loss.

Speaker 30 (01:43:21):
Big part the defense again on the and then again
on the defense. Mike's gotta find a real coordinator. I
understand that Terrell's Alley's at Cancer Core is not the answer.

Speaker 12 (01:43:31):
Almost.

Speaker 30 (01:43:32):
I look, I don't know, maybe you can chime in
this on Mike the TJ or jj watt uh put
it in, put in. Throughout the whole game, they stayed
in zone almost it seemed like almost every snap of
the defensive players throughout the entire game, like they didn't
show any man looks. I don't know if it's just
because they got a lot of jags, as Parcels used

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to say, they got too many just guys off the
street playing in there, and the defense just the defense
looked horrendous.

Speaker 9 (01:44:00):
They need they need.

Speaker 11 (01:44:00):
To updgrade the personnel.

Speaker 28 (01:44:02):
You know.

Speaker 11 (01:44:02):
That's how quiet Barmore was today. Yeah, and that's that's
absolutely all about Milton Williams.

Speaker 26 (01:44:07):
Absolutely so two of their three best defensive players didn't
play today. Yeah, like Splaine and Milton Williams are out
like he's doing what he can with what he's got.

Speaker 9 (01:44:16):
Well, isn't Barbore supposed to be one of them? Gonzales
supposed to be one of them.

Speaker 11 (01:44:21):
I don't think Gonzales had a bad game.

Speaker 9 (01:44:23):
I do.

Speaker 11 (01:44:25):
Yeah, Well, you saw guys open, but no no passes completely,
but that's.

Speaker 9 (01:44:28):
Part of the game. I know, you got to cover
your guy. He wasn't absolutely wiped out on that run
by Josh Allen and that got him down inside the
five yard line.

Speaker 11 (01:44:36):
It's a corner back.

Speaker 9 (01:44:37):
But yeah, I know, did Marcus Jones would have made
that play.

Speaker 11 (01:44:40):
I'll come on, no, I didn't. I didn't see anything that.
I didn't see anything that Gonzales did today that lost
the game for them.

Speaker 9 (01:44:49):
I didn't say he lost the See that's what you do.
I didn't say he lost the game. Wow, we made
it an hour and fifty minutes and he finally got me.
I didn't say he lost the game. I said, I
don't think he played well.

Speaker 8 (01:44:59):
You.

Speaker 9 (01:45:00):
I don't think Barbore played well either, though, those are
your best players.

Speaker 11 (01:45:04):
They game plan for Barmore because they could. There wasn't anyone.

Speaker 6 (01:45:07):
Else man, Thanks Danny.

Speaker 9 (01:45:10):
Is that why the Bills like like gave up two
fifty on the ground. I don't think so.

Speaker 8 (01:45:14):
Not.

Speaker 10 (01:45:14):
I just as they were missing there inside linebacker.

Speaker 11 (01:45:18):
I don't know. They've been doing that all.

Speaker 9 (01:45:19):
Year and he's been out.

Speaker 11 (01:45:23):
The run defense is not that good.

Speaker 10 (01:45:25):
Yeah, is a good player.

Speaker 7 (01:45:28):
He's a good player.

Speaker 6 (01:45:29):
Wait a minute.

Speaker 11 (01:45:30):
Patriots defense was good against the run.

Speaker 9 (01:45:32):
But not for the last eleven weeks. Now, eleven weeks
that's according to Mike Reese.

Speaker 11 (01:45:37):
Let well, I don't know about that.

Speaker 9 (01:45:39):
Mike Reese had a note I might hold on the
last seven weeks.

Speaker 11 (01:45:47):
Okay, yeah, seven weeks.

Speaker 9 (01:45:49):
According to Mike greecee he had a he had a
thing in the in his notes today. It started before
Milton Williams went out. And Milton Williams, by the way,
is not known as a run player exactly.

Speaker 11 (01:45:59):
Well, he doesn't last year because he only played a
third of the dumb he's this year, he's been better.

Speaker 9 (01:46:04):
He's not a great run he's a great interior presence.

Speaker 11 (01:46:08):
Listen, it's all about past. It's all about and I
mean it's a red Sea being parted on too many plays.

Speaker 9 (01:46:16):
They missed Blaine today, Yeah, absolutely, But I think.

Speaker 26 (01:46:20):
They missed Williams today because I think Williams, the combination
of Williams and Barber Williams doesn't helped.

Speaker 7 (01:46:25):
Me build the wall that Mike talks about.

Speaker 9 (01:46:27):
Williams is a huge, huge loss. And I said that
early in again, you're missing two big parts of your
defense in your front seven, and you got gash.

Speaker 7 (01:46:35):
But like it's not like.

Speaker 9 (01:46:39):
It's not like everything else is fine, Like you had
plenty of players out there that should have been better
than that. But you absolutely miss Milton Williams a lot,
and you missed Robert S.

Speaker 7 (01:46:48):
Blaine today a lot.

Speaker 11 (01:46:51):
Well, that that goes back to the whole conversation we've
been having all year about depth on this team. There
isn't a lot, that's what they call. There isn't a
lot of it. So when you missing Williams, and when
you're missing splane right up the middle and then you
see Cook running right up the middle, I'm like, Okay,
I know why.

Speaker 7 (01:47:11):
Yeah, And I'd say, said Landry's banged up. I would say,
you know, in a perfect world, I think Chase On
is your pass rusher guy. That's not the situation. You know,
you're seeing more Jennings now in there, and I think
with all the rotation they have going on, you're seeing
that coordination. Guys are getting blown up. They're not building
the wall. It looks a certain way and it's not happening.
There's too much space inside. So it's a it's a

(01:47:31):
combination of a lot of things that they got to
figure it out because Derreck Henry next week.

Speaker 26 (01:47:35):
Derrick Henry and Lamar Jackson, what week is this?

Speaker 9 (01:47:39):
This week is fifteen, six weeks now, and it's going
to go down because it's gonna be worse according to
Mike Reece. I'm going to trust his stats because I
think Mike is the best and when it comes to
being meticulous. Since week ten, so that's six weeks now,
which most of that is now without Milton Williams, well
three of them without Milton Williams. Half they're twenty ninth

(01:48:02):
in the league and average yards allowed per carry, So
that's a pretty big sample size six weeks.

Speaker 7 (01:48:09):
It's not just one or two weeks.

Speaker 26 (01:48:11):
And you don't have to be Amos Alonzo Stagg to
figure out. But Milton Williams is part of going to
call Derek Henry's number.

Speaker 9 (01:48:16):
Milton Williams is part of that because he's been missing
and even it's three games he's been out, but he
also didn't really play in the Jets game, right, so
it's kind of like four games.

Speaker 11 (01:48:26):
Four games Tampa.

Speaker 9 (01:48:28):
I think Milton Williams did play and it was an
issue that game too started the leaks, and it's Mike
had it. Since week ten, they're twenty ninth in the
league in average yards per carry allowed, which is kind
of a glaring number.

Speaker 5 (01:48:43):
Looking ahead to next week ending on a positive note,
what is one thing you want to see from this
game transferred into next week's game?

Speaker 11 (01:48:53):
One thing I want to say, Oh, the whole first half.

Speaker 7 (01:48:55):
Yeah, yes, but now the good starting, the energy and
coming out and like I said, I mean, I just
I think you've got to get back up in a
hurry for you know, essentially a playoff game. I would say,
you know, it's maybe not as quite a playoff game
for the Patriots yet, but it's it's going to be
pretty close, you know, pretty close, and it's just an
incredible challenge. It's again, I just feel like we're in

(01:49:16):
a whole separate thing.

Speaker 16 (01:49:17):
Now.

Speaker 7 (01:49:17):
Yeah, we're going to look at that like beginning part
of a great, great start to the Mic Vrabel era.
These four games are going to tell you really where
this team is at. And you know, coming out of
this game like this is kind of what it is
we're waiting to see. You know, can Drake take that
step to that level where at the end of the
game and he has a chance and he can do
what Tom what made Tom Brady the greatest?

Speaker 11 (01:49:34):
Listen, Listen, they had good pass cover protection today.

Speaker 7 (01:49:38):
Yeah, I liked it.

Speaker 9 (01:49:39):
I thought they had very much.

Speaker 11 (01:49:40):
I'd love that to carry over to that.

Speaker 7 (01:49:42):
That's I mean, that's a great I mean, go back
to the next gen sets. This was the lowest pressure
rate allowed on offense all season long by by it
considerable Marster back weeks.

Speaker 9 (01:49:51):
Yeah, yeah, so maybe let's give Venerian Lowe a little love.

Speaker 11 (01:49:55):
Yeah so if so, Like I said, I know a
lot of people are like, are gonna. I don't think
Drake May played well in the second half. I think
a lot of this was on him. I think I
don't know. Again, I have to see the All twenty
two with Evan to see if guys were getting open.
But he had time he did, and wide receivers just

(01:50:17):
weren't being targeted correct for whatever reason.

Speaker 10 (01:50:19):
He was behind in high a lot thought in the
second half.

Speaker 26 (01:50:23):
Hooper a hunter.

Speaker 7 (01:50:24):
Yeah, Hollins.

Speaker 9 (01:50:26):
When Kwannie first started to ask that question, I thought
you were going to say, what do you want to see?

Speaker 8 (01:50:29):
It?

Speaker 9 (01:50:30):
Like to me, that's the number one thing I want
to see is Drake May bounce back and look like MVP.

Speaker 11 (01:50:35):
I want, you know what, I want that three hundred
yard game next week. I demand a three hundred yard
game from Drake May next week. I'm calling it into
it existence. I'm putting it out there. It's going to happen.
There you go, count on a three hundred yard passing
game from Drake May next week Sunday night. Book it.

Speaker 6 (01:50:56):
We'll clip this and play.

Speaker 7 (01:50:58):
I mean, how bad is it for the Chiefs? Chance
though right now you're out. Rappaport's saying he's gonna have
an MRI to determine, but that it didn't look good
according to any red. But you get knocked out of
the playoffs. This is in a rehab situation.

Speaker 26 (01:51:12):
And we just sort of touched on this a little
bit in the pregame show, No Kansas City, how's Buffalo
Field getting on the bus leaving here today? Going okay,
look what's going on?

Speaker 7 (01:51:22):
Roadblock is out of the way exactly.

Speaker 11 (01:51:24):
So they're gonna be over confident. We're going to lose
next week?

Speaker 7 (01:51:27):
Who Buffalo against Cleveland?

Speaker 11 (01:51:29):
They could?

Speaker 7 (01:51:30):
Who cares?

Speaker 11 (01:51:30):
Cleveland's gonna beat him?

Speaker 7 (01:51:31):
Who cares? That is shown.

Speaker 9 (01:51:36):
If I were doing the Kansas City Fred kirsh role,
I would say maybe it's it's a blessing in disguise.
This they're done anyway, like the loss eliminated them for
all intents. If they're not mathematically eliminated, for all intents
and purposes, they're eliminated now. So one thing I would
say that I would say critical of Patrick Mahomes is

(01:51:58):
I'm not sure he comes to go at the start
of every season, and now he's going to spend the
off season rehabbing, which is going to probably get him
in the best shape that he's been in a while.
You know, twenty he'll be ready to go. He'll be
ready to go for next season as a quarterback. So
maybe he's maybe he's more prepared, you know, from a

(01:52:20):
physical standing.

Speaker 11 (01:52:21):
Yeah. Who cares about the Chiefs? Yeah? No one? Right now?

Speaker 7 (01:52:28):
Literally?

Speaker 9 (01:52:30):
All right, well we still get to see him in
primetime on Christmas Night though, great go.

Speaker 11 (01:52:34):
Packers sixteen fourteen.

Speaker 7 (01:52:35):
Who's the quarterback? Now? Is?

Speaker 12 (01:52:38):
Is?

Speaker 13 (01:52:38):
Uh?

Speaker 8 (01:52:39):
Is?

Speaker 26 (01:52:39):
NBC or Prime or Peacock or whoever's doing?

Speaker 9 (01:52:42):
Are they? Definitely?

Speaker 23 (01:52:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:52:48):
Are they trying to sit there and go? Hi?

Speaker 26 (01:52:50):
Can we get somebody else in on Christmas?

Speaker 7 (01:52:53):
Please?

Speaker 11 (01:52:54):
Gardner?

Speaker 12 (01:52:55):
Right?

Speaker 7 (01:52:55):
Yeah, that's all right, Merry Christmas, filthy animal.

Speaker 5 (01:53:00):
All right, Well that does it for this edition of
the Patriots Postgame Show.

Speaker 6 (01:53:04):
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (01:53:04):
For sticking around for a Matt Smith and Paul Paillo
and Mike do So and Fred Cursh.

Speaker 6 (01:53:13):
We'll be back next week. Thanks for watching. Hey this
is Alex.

Speaker 35 (01:53:18):
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Speaker 11 (01:53:25):
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