May 23, 2024 • 10 mins
As the season rolls along, somewhere in between the topic of extensions will always occur about mid-season throughout the seasons entirety. Production has always been a huge and vital key in analyzing what one's next big contract may tend to look like. Who's worth the big extension, Kyle or Alex?
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Saulisbury Houston. Okay, let's dothis. Sean Salisbury to usc Truth,
longtime friend, Shawn Salisbury, BryanLon Lima, go Lobos. This is
the Sewan Salsbury Show. Texans,more O t As Today at a NRG
(00:24):
Stadium. Mavericks beat the t Wolvesin Game one of the Western Conference Finals.
Celtics and Pacers Game two of theEastern Conference Finals tonight in the NBA
Playoffs. Seven one, three,two point two five seven ninety poons start
a light up. Let's get backout there and speak to you the Astros
fan. We'll start with Brandon Brandon, good morning, Hey, good morning
(00:46):
guys. Love the show man.Best show a Houston by far, hands
down. Now, Sean, Iagree with you one hundred percent what you
said about that with Bregman. Ithink that's a huge, uh kind of
arsenal for them if they're win thefive games. You're not training, like
I said, you know, superstarcaliber at third baseman, even though he's
not playing up to superstar caliber asfar as you know in the box goes
this year as far as hitting.But I think you know you're gonna be
(01:07):
out of the race and things startto slip. I mean, like like
Brian saying, there's seven to threein their last ten and this turnaround has
been really good with the pitching,the timely hitting and some good defense.
You got to start. You can'tkeep everybody, Like you said, those
baseball contracts are guaranteed. I thinkit's not a good thing for the sport,
but this is gonna be one ofthose years. It's like, you
know, make or break. AndI'm not saying the dynasty's coming to an
end, but at some point,Sean, you're right, you're gonna win
(01:29):
seventy five games, You're gonna haveto really plug some holes at the major
league level. You know, haveto see what a Will Wagner can do
at third base. And you know, we already kind of seeing little glimpses
of Low Braffito and Peder Leone andForest Whitley, and see what some of
these guys can do at sugar Land. That's coming. And I think that
every window closes and every franchise goesthrough a rebuilding process. So I'm with
you, Sean. If they're withinthe five games, you don't move Bregman.
But if not, you got toget something to him. You got
(01:52):
to make calls because if you're notdoing your job and the due diligence is
not there, then you know wedo need to do that. Gentleman,
when I think Dana Brown very capableof doing that, I agree and Brandon
real quick, and first of all, thank you for the compliment. We
appreciate and not only listening, butwe don't take that for granted. Trust
me, is it Isn't it justsmart business, not just in baseball,
in any business. If you knowthat things need that, you've got to
(02:15):
upgrade your sales force, you gotto upgrade your product, you got to
upgrade your marketing, you got toupgrade your personnel and anywhere. Isn't it
just wise to listen if you canupgrade, don't you owe it to not
only the fan base, but toyour organization, the other players. And
I don't know if you'll find somebodythat upgrades it, but if you're twelve
games out of first place, youhave to listen to it and thinking well,
(02:38):
what's going to be to be beneficialnot just next year, but three
years down the road. Because thisteam's lacking those assets. Why because of
what happened with twenty seventeen, right, they're still making up for that lost
time. So and they do agreat job of developing them. So Brandon
one percent on the same page onthat, you've got to play it out.
It's too early to say we're selling, but it's not too to answer
(03:00):
the phone. And then around thereyou'll know. You'll get a good idea
for a full feel and maybe theyalready have one or what direction they're going.
But you owe it to your organizationto whatever it is, not just
Bregman anywhere, to upgrade your franchiseif that's what's needed. Good call,
man, a great weekend, brother. We appreciate you. Thanks, thanks
man. We had, we hadBrandon, Brandon, Brad Bryan, we
(03:23):
did all that, the Killer Beesall at the Killer Bees in the nineties.
Name the well, name the yeahhere and guess he was the original
killers Guess was the original Killer KillerBees? Lance Berkman, Yeah, guess
was the original Killer Bees? Andit wasn't the Astros the Begs. Nice
call by you, but that wasn'tit either. Who Gary Busey the good
(03:45):
call? Maybe a son Jake?No, the the Killer Bees defense for
the Miami Dolphins in the seventies.Fake news. Yeah, interesting, the
first Killer Bees was here at theAstrons. No, sorry to tell you
it wasn't. It wasn't. Noone cares. Well, I didn't say
anybody cared. I'm just saying theoriginal killer. It's fake news, man,
(04:05):
what are who are? Never mind? Does the Dolphins in seventy two
go seventeen and know they did?Yeah? Yeah, sure they did.
They the only ones they did.Okay, they're the only one they've ever
done. Yeah, okay, Iunderstand locally this is a killer because I'm
just saying the original the O OG, the OG, the original GANGSTU.
Yeah, the OG gangsters or gangster. Uh well, let's see that's
(04:28):
what the kids are saying ster.Yeah, you know, I know what
straight gangster and you got to stressthe gangster see triple eyed? Come on
say, well, that's how thewhite boy says it is the white guys
say itangster. Hey, cool,dude, gangster, tell him say it
in your in your white boy voice. Yeah, that's got to be racist.
Let's talk to Brad Brow was happening. Hey, what's up, Sean?
(04:50):
You all guys, I totally agree. You gotta you gotta look at
this way. The Astros are inthe driver's seat. They're the ones that
can dictate what they're gonna do andhow they're gonna do it. Everybody's back,
you know, ragging on his hitting. I'm gonna tell you right now,
Bragman's one heck of a defensive,no doubt. I will tell you
what I will be the type ofguy that I'll give up a little bit
(05:11):
of the hitting to have him stoptwo or three runs a game. Uh.
So you got to kind of outweighyour you know, are you robbing
Peter to pay Paul? Uh?What are you gonna do? I mean,
are you gonna put there, You'regonna put a rookie over there,
a guy that don't can't handle thepressure, or you're gonna try to go
out and get somebody that you're rentingfor a couple of years and then you
got to pay him the big salt. You're right back in the same situation.
(05:34):
So, I mean, I knowwe're not gonna be able to give
him the three hundred million that he'sgonna want. Uh. But if you're
five games out, man, heck, if you're six seven games out,
I still say you keep them.And like I said, they're in the
driver's seat. They can do whatthey want to do, So I'll hang
up and listen. Thank you,Brad. Let's keep it rolling on the
phone line. Let's talk to Brian. What's happening to Brian? Hey,
(05:59):
good morning guys. Real quick.You had a color earlier saying Duban needed
to be in the four hole.Uh yeah, No. As much as
I love Mauricio Dubon, he isnot a four hole hitter. No,
I think he said. I thinkhe said. We had one that said
I don't think they said Dubon.Maybe I miss that John saying I thought
he said putting bonds. Oh youknow what John did. John did mention
(06:21):
that because we had another one say, hell, they'd rather have Jake Myers
in the four hole than than Bregmanright now with the way he's hitting.
Yeah, yeah, I know that'sthat's that's a little up starting. I
mean, moved Dubon up, buthe's not a four hole hitter. I
think painted there. Honestly, Ithink putting Bregman back in the two hole
with Jordon three and Tucker four.Now, I know that takes maybe one
(06:41):
up beat every now and again awayfrom Tucker, but I think you kind
of go back to what you hadwhere Gregman has that protection of Jordan.
But if Bregman's mechanics are off,you know, he's always tinkering with it.
I don't know if it's going tomake a difference, but I'm seeing
what you guys. Uh, ifthe if the actuals came out and said,
all right, we're gonna prioritize KyleTucker, do you think eight years,
(07:03):
three hundred million, that's that's thirtyseven and a half a year.
If they make him not offer Ithink, which is more than fair,
and he turns it down, thenhe doesn't want to be here because I
don't think most teams are giving outten year contracts anymore. You saw it
a little bit in the offseason.But the teams that are gonna probably be
able to give him that outside ofmaybe the Yankees, you know, are
(07:26):
gonna be teams like Oakland and Anaheimwho have the money but probably aren't going
anywhere. So did you say,Brian, did you say eight years,
thirty seven and a half a year? Yeah, if if Tucker turns that
down. If Tucker turns that down, if they offered it to him like
in the offseason and he turns itdown if I'm if I'm the Ashros that
(07:46):
he doesn't get I'm not getting himto forty million a year. And I
love Tucker. That's fair. That'smore than fair. Absolutely. I was
gonna say between thirty five and thirtyseven and a half, and that's what
I'm saying. He wants to bethree hundred million to say, Okay,
we'll do that, but we're notgonna give you the ten years. Or
maybe they'll be option years, teamoption years down the road, so you'll
(08:09):
get that ten years. If you'replaying well, then heyah, we'll pick
that up. Or do what they'redoing without Tubay is maybe they backloaded a
little bit since the Tubay will beflipped around the other way and they're only
paying him ten in a few years, or in you know, at the
end of his contract, say hey, for the next couple of years,
maybe you'll only get thirty but thenby you know, years five, six,
(08:33):
seven, and eight, Yeah,you can be at forty million a
year, but it's gonna be alittle bit later. You're still getting the
same amount of money, but justto keep everything within the competitive balance threshold,
we're gonna we're gonna slow roll ita little bit upfront, so we
can, you know, depending onbecause I think Verlanders, what if they
bring them back is twenty five nextyear or twenty seven and a half something
(08:56):
like that, you know, andthen yeah, you gotta just start what
you're gonna do with fromber. Butuntil I see him more, I don't
know if you want to keep payingthat guy after next year. So that's
all that happened. I think ifthey gave Tucker thirty seven and a half
for eight years and he turns itdown, then he doesn't want to be
(09:16):
here or he is adamant I haveto have ten years. Good stop,
Brian. We appreciate that call.That's fair talk. Ten years is I've
always I mean, listen, younever say always or never, but I
lean towards I'm rarely going with aten year contract. Eight years at thirty
four, thirty five, thirty sixmillion a year for Kyle Tucker, six
(09:37):
to eight years in that range atthirty five thirty, I'm in ten years
for forty probably got to pass.That's reserved for Los Angeles and New York
and Boston and Philly. You know, we keep mentioning the New York Yankees
when we talk about Kyle Tucker andthe potential of Alex Bregman in these contracts,
especially with Dana Brown talking about KyleTucker's contract yesterday, hal Steinbrenner mentioned
(10:01):
the payroll and it's not good newsfor Yankee fans. I was gonna say,
can you imagine Tucker sod and eventhough they got what's my guy from
Boston? Uh? Verdugo, butcan you imagine Dougie? Could you imagine
Tucker, Judge and Soda with thezab outfield? No, you can't.
(10:24):
Don't say that. Don't cuss atme like that, yeah, hol Steinbrenner,
Yeah, I'm with you. Yeah, he Uh. Hal Steinbrenner had
some things to say about their payrolland it's uh, it probably sends waves
throughout all of baseball. What didhe say? We'll discuss the next wall,
So continue to take your call sevenone, three, two, five,
seven to ninety phone lines continuing toring off the hook. We'll get
(10:45):
to everybody on hold. Next SportsTalk seven eighty
Saulisbury Houston. Okay, let's dothis. Sean Salisbury to usc Truth,
longtime friend, Shawn Salisbury, BryanLon Lima, go Lobos. This is
the Sewan Salsbury Show. Texans,more O t As Today at a NRG
(00:24):
Stadium. Mavericks beat the t Wolvesin Game one of the Western Conference Finals.
Celtics and Pacers Game two of theEastern Conference Finals tonight in the NBA
Playoffs. Seven one, three,two point two five seven ninety poons start
a light up. Let's get backout there and speak to you the Astros
fan. We'll start with Brandon Brandon, good morning, Hey, good morning
(00:46):
guys. Love the show man.Best show a Houston by far, hands
down. Now, Sean, Iagree with you one hundred percent what you
said about that with Bregman. Ithink that's a huge, uh kind of
arsenal for them if they're win thefive games. You're not training, like
I said, you know, superstarcaliber at third baseman, even though he's
not playing up to superstar caliber asfar as you know in the box goes
this year as far as hitting.But I think you know you're gonna be
(01:07):
out of the race and things startto slip. I mean, like like
Brian saying, there's seven to threein their last ten and this turnaround has
been really good with the pitching,the timely hitting and some good defense.
You got to start. You can'tkeep everybody, Like you said, those
baseball contracts are guaranteed. I thinkit's not a good thing for the sport,
but this is gonna be one ofthose years. It's like, you
know, make or break. AndI'm not saying the dynasty's coming to an
end, but at some point,Sean, you're right, you're gonna win
(01:29):
seventy five games, You're gonna haveto really plug some holes at the major
league level. You know, haveto see what a Will Wagner can do
at third base. And you know, we already kind of seeing little glimpses
of Low Braffito and Peder Leone andForest Whitley, and see what some of
these guys can do at sugar Land. That's coming. And I think that
every window closes and every franchise goesthrough a rebuilding process. So I'm with
you, Sean. If they're withinthe five games, you don't move Bregman.
But if not, you got toget something to him. You got
(01:52):
to make calls because if you're notdoing your job and the due diligence is
not there, then you know wedo need to do that. Gentleman,
when I think Dana Brown very capableof doing that, I agree and Brandon
real quick, and first of all, thank you for the compliment. We
appreciate and not only listening, butwe don't take that for granted. Trust
me, is it Isn't it justsmart business, not just in baseball,
in any business. If you knowthat things need that, you've got to
(02:15):
upgrade your sales force, you gotto upgrade your product, you got to
upgrade your marketing, you got toupgrade your personnel and anywhere. Isn't it
just wise to listen if you canupgrade, don't you owe it to not
only the fan base, but toyour organization, the other players. And
I don't know if you'll find somebodythat upgrades it, but if you're twelve
games out of first place, youhave to listen to it and thinking well,
(02:38):
what's going to be to be beneficialnot just next year, but three
years down the road. Because thisteam's lacking those assets. Why because of
what happened with twenty seventeen, right, they're still making up for that lost
time. So and they do agreat job of developing them. So Brandon
one percent on the same page onthat, you've got to play it out.
It's too early to say we're selling, but it's not too to answer
(03:00):
the phone. And then around thereyou'll know. You'll get a good idea
for a full feel and maybe theyalready have one or what direction they're going.
But you owe it to your organizationto whatever it is, not just
Bregman anywhere, to upgrade your franchiseif that's what's needed. Good call,
man, a great weekend, brother. We appreciate you. Thanks, thanks
man. We had, we hadBrandon, Brandon, Brad Bryan, we
(03:23):
did all that, the Killer Beesall at the Killer Bees in the nineties.
Name the well, name the yeahhere and guess he was the original
killers Guess was the original Killer KillerBees? Lance Berkman, Yeah, guess
was the original Killer Bees? Andit wasn't the Astros the Begs. Nice
call by you, but that wasn'tit either. Who Gary Busey the good
(03:45):
call? Maybe a son Jake?No, the the Killer Bees defense for
the Miami Dolphins in the seventies.Fake news. Yeah, interesting, the
first Killer Bees was here at theAstrons. No, sorry to tell you
it wasn't. It wasn't. Noone cares. Well, I didn't say
anybody cared. I'm just saying theoriginal killer. It's fake news, man,
(04:05):
what are who are? Never mind? Does the Dolphins in seventy two
go seventeen and know they did?Yeah? Yeah, sure they did.
They the only ones they did.Okay, they're the only one they've ever
done. Yeah, okay, Iunderstand locally this is a killer because I'm
just saying the original the O OG, the OG, the original GANGSTU.
Yeah, the OG gangsters or gangster. Uh well, let's see that's
(04:28):
what the kids are saying ster.Yeah, you know, I know what
straight gangster and you got to stressthe gangster see triple eyed? Come on
say, well, that's how thewhite boy says it is the white guys
say itangster. Hey, cool,dude, gangster, tell him say it
in your in your white boy voice. Yeah, that's got to be racist.
Let's talk to Brad Brow was happening. Hey, what's up, Sean?
(04:50):
You all guys, I totally agree. You gotta you gotta look at
this way. The Astros are inthe driver's seat. They're the ones that
can dictate what they're gonna do andhow they're gonna do it. Everybody's back,
you know, ragging on his hitting. I'm gonna tell you right now,
Bragman's one heck of a defensive,no doubt. I will tell you
what I will be the type ofguy that I'll give up a little bit
(05:11):
of the hitting to have him stoptwo or three runs a game. Uh.
So you got to kind of outweighyour you know, are you robbing
Peter to pay Paul? Uh?What are you gonna do? I mean,
are you gonna put there, You'regonna put a rookie over there,
a guy that don't can't handle thepressure, or you're gonna try to go
out and get somebody that you're rentingfor a couple of years and then you
got to pay him the big salt. You're right back in the same situation.
(05:34):
So, I mean, I knowwe're not gonna be able to give
him the three hundred million that he'sgonna want. Uh. But if you're
five games out, man, heck, if you're six seven games out,
I still say you keep them.And like I said, they're in the
driver's seat. They can do whatthey want to do, So I'll hang
up and listen. Thank you,Brad. Let's keep it rolling on the
phone line. Let's talk to Brian. What's happening to Brian? Hey,
(05:59):
good morning guys. Real quick.You had a color earlier saying Duban needed
to be in the four hole.Uh yeah, No. As much as
I love Mauricio Dubon, he isnot a four hole hitter. No,
I think he said. I thinkhe said. We had one that said
I don't think they said Dubon.Maybe I miss that John saying I thought
he said putting bonds. Oh youknow what John did. John did mention
(06:21):
that because we had another one say, hell, they'd rather have Jake Myers
in the four hole than than Bregmanright now with the way he's hitting.
Yeah, yeah, I know that'sthat's that's a little up starting. I
mean, moved Dubon up, buthe's not a four hole hitter. I
think painted there. Honestly, Ithink putting Bregman back in the two hole
with Jordon three and Tucker four.Now, I know that takes maybe one
(06:41):
up beat every now and again awayfrom Tucker, but I think you kind
of go back to what you hadwhere Gregman has that protection of Jordan.
But if Bregman's mechanics are off,you know, he's always tinkering with it.
I don't know if it's going tomake a difference, but I'm seeing
what you guys. Uh, ifthe if the actuals came out and said,
all right, we're gonna prioritize KyleTucker, do you think eight years,
(07:03):
three hundred million, that's that's thirtyseven and a half a year.
If they make him not offer Ithink, which is more than fair,
and he turns it down, thenhe doesn't want to be here because I
don't think most teams are giving outten year contracts anymore. You saw it
a little bit in the offseason.But the teams that are gonna probably be
able to give him that outside ofmaybe the Yankees, you know, are
(07:26):
gonna be teams like Oakland and Anaheimwho have the money but probably aren't going
anywhere. So did you say,Brian, did you say eight years,
thirty seven and a half a year? Yeah, if if Tucker turns that
down. If Tucker turns that down, if they offered it to him like
in the offseason and he turns itdown if I'm if I'm the Ashros that
(07:46):
he doesn't get I'm not getting himto forty million a year. And I
love Tucker. That's fair. That'smore than fair. Absolutely. I was
gonna say between thirty five and thirtyseven and a half, and that's what
I'm saying. He wants to bethree hundred million to say, Okay,
we'll do that, but we're notgonna give you the ten years. Or
maybe they'll be option years, teamoption years down the road, so you'll
(08:09):
get that ten years. If you'replaying well, then heyah, we'll pick
that up. Or do what they'redoing without Tubay is maybe they backloaded a
little bit since the Tubay will beflipped around the other way and they're only
paying him ten in a few years, or in you know, at the
end of his contract, say hey, for the next couple of years,
maybe you'll only get thirty but thenby you know, years five, six,
(08:33):
seven, and eight, Yeah,you can be at forty million a
year, but it's gonna be alittle bit later. You're still getting the
same amount of money, but justto keep everything within the competitive balance threshold,
we're gonna we're gonna slow roll ita little bit upfront, so we
can, you know, depending onbecause I think Verlanders, what if they
bring them back is twenty five nextyear or twenty seven and a half something
(08:56):
like that, you know, andthen yeah, you gotta just start what
you're gonna do with fromber. Butuntil I see him more, I don't
know if you want to keep payingthat guy after next year. So that's
all that happened. I think ifthey gave Tucker thirty seven and a half
for eight years and he turns itdown, then he doesn't want to be
(09:16):
here or he is adamant I haveto have ten years. Good stop,
Brian. We appreciate that call.That's fair talk. Ten years is I've
always I mean, listen, younever say always or never, but I
lean towards I'm rarely going with aten year contract. Eight years at thirty
four, thirty five, thirty sixmillion a year for Kyle Tucker, six
(09:37):
to eight years in that range atthirty five thirty, I'm in ten years
for forty probably got to pass.That's reserved for Los Angeles and New York
and Boston and Philly. You know, we keep mentioning the New York Yankees
when we talk about Kyle Tucker andthe potential of Alex Bregman in these contracts,
especially with Dana Brown talking about KyleTucker's contract yesterday, hal Steinbrenner mentioned
(10:01):
the payroll and it's not good newsfor Yankee fans. I was gonna say,
can you imagine Tucker sod and eventhough they got what's my guy from
Boston? Uh? Verdugo, butcan you imagine Dougie? Could you imagine
Tucker, Judge and Soda with thezab outfield? No, you can't.
(10:24):
Don't say that. Don't cuss atme like that, yeah, hol Steinbrenner,
Yeah, I'm with you. Yeah, he Uh. Hal Steinbrenner had
some things to say about their payrolland it's uh, it probably sends waves
throughout all of baseball. What didhe say? We'll discuss the next wall,
So continue to take your call sevenone, three, two, five,
seven to ninety phone lines continuing toring off the hook. We'll get
(10:45):
to everybody on hold. Next SportsTalk seven eighty
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