Astros Trade For Yusei Kikuchi, Astros Lose To Pirates, MLB Trade Deadline Final Hours

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Say, okay, let's do this. Sean Salisbury, The usc True longtime
friend shown Salisbury, Brianma go Lobo. This is the Seawan Salsbury Show.

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Is it is? It's always,It's always a good morning morning. But
you know, when you're on theother side of the dirt it uh no,
you're not really six feet above thedirt. The phrase you're thinking of
is oh, they buried me sixfeet under. If you're six feet above
the dirt, then you're hovering abovethe dirt, so you might still be
dead. Okay, looking back down, you're on the other side of the

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dirt. You're you're breathing and happy. So it's a good day that way.
It's just another days. Yeah.Oh yeah, I don't know if
it's a great day at Astros Baseball. I don't know either, But times
going to decide that, I guess, and I know we'll get into it
really as you give us the detailsor give our listeners who already know as

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we all do. But unless youwere living in a bubble last night.
But if you missed out, thething that blows my mind is this is
for a rental. Yeah, yes, this is for a rental. If
he was under control, I wouldget. I would understand because at least
it tells me one thing. They'rein it to win a World Series this
year. You and I boy oryou don't do this. You think this

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gets you to the getting Verlander closeto being healthy in this, you think
this gives you a chance to wina World series. You don't go after
a rental and give up what theygave up a number thirteen prospect a you
know, it has been a startingpitcher for the Astros And wasn't he scheduled
to go until he was gonna bescheduled to go last night or at least

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that was original he was gonna pitchright, Yeah, and then and then
against Skens And then you give upa guy who many feels as an outfielder
of the future and got star quality. So a rental tells me that they
are all in right now. Andwhat's what's Kakuchi thirty three years old?
Yeah, so that's it. Iwould love to have a little more control

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to me that that's the deal thatfor a rental, that's the thing that
got me. We're going to findout soon though. Yeah, when you
look at this trade and obviously we'regoing to get into it and discuss other
trades that have been made. Plus, Dana Brown spoke to the media last
night mentioning, you know something alongthe lines of, we may not be
done yet. When you just lookat this trade on paper, you're giving

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up three of your top prospects fora guy that's gonna be in the middle
of your rotation. I mean,we knew that the Astros weren't going to
have enough to go get a numberone or number two, but yet you
felt like if you did go geta number one or number two, this
is what you would give up,plus maybe a big leaguer or an additional

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big leaguer. But now you havegiven up Joey Loperfido, you have given
up Jake Bloss excuse me, andWill Wagner. And if you don't know
anything about Will Wagner, obviously he'sBilly Wagner's son. But Will Wagner has
been talked about probably the last twospring trainings because of how well he's done
and he continues to do in theminor league system. So at some point

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he's a versatile infielder and he's nowgone in that package as well. All
for like Sean said a rental.Is this the piece that's gonna win them
a World Series? They must thinkso, and I probably I don't think
they should be done as far asstill looking what's out there between now and

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five o'clock. But it was awe said it would sting, and it's
stung. Yeah, And two thingscome to mind. I bet and it's
not a pat on the back atall. But the team that I've been
targeting the whole time for lay andyou know this, for a month and
a half, two months, Ikeep saying Toronto's got to do something right,
Yep, I've been saying it regularly. What do they do? Well?

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Where'd we go get this guy fromToronto? Correct? He was from
Toronto? Yeah, that's my point. I mean I was redundant, I
mean not redundant, but yeah,well it was just just a reiterator rhetorical,
yes, rhetorical, just to letyou know that it is that that's
they went to Toronto too? Isis that we knew and talked about that

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low Perfido would be a target twomonths ago, that he was going to
be somebody that they would that majorleague teams would want to ask about that.
You say, well, is heuntouchable. When I say untouchable,
not untouchable because he's dominating the Majorleague's but untouchable because he has shown signs
of brilliance. You got an outfielderwho's hurt, so who you're not real

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sure if you're gonna be able tosign him down the road. All these
things that you think about, well, kind of makes Low Perfido one of
the guys you'd say, no,no, no, the wrong guy to
go after. Go get somebody else. Well they did, and they did
Toronto and got low Perfido plus youknow Will Wagner, and then you get
lost in there as well. SoI don't know if it's the piece to
give him the World Series. Idon't, but I can't imagine they don't

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think so. If he's a rental, why would you do it if you
didn't think you were all in intwenty twenty four. If you're not all
in in twenty twenty four, whygo get a rental? I think?
When I mean the Asses went andgot he wasn't a rental. They went
and got Verlander at you know thisstage, and they won a World Series.
But the Randy Johnson was a rental. Right, Yeah, I mean

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they what like ten and one oreleven and one, whatever it was.
If you get those results, youmay and go to the World Series.
You may say, well it wasworth it. You're not gonna know if
it's worth it. Now. I'lltell you when it's worth it. If
they go win a World Series andthis guy pitches lights out second half of
the season, it's worth it becauseno offense to Low, Braffito and Wagner
and bloss but the World Series ringto me, and I would imagine the

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assos is worth more than those guysnot in their lives. You get what
I'm talking me baseball terms. Iwant a world I'm not worried about what
Low Prafiedo may do four years fromnow if I win a World Series.
To me, if they don't getto the World Series and win it and
Kakuchi's just a guy, which Ithink he's more than that. But if
he is and you lose him andyou don't win a World Series and he

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doesn't come back here, then thenthen to me, uh, it was
a failed trade. When you gowhen you go after rental and give up
some guys that are pretty good baseballplayers, one that you think's got star
talent, and the other one who'sa pretty solid infielder. You don't you
don't give those guys away unless ifyou thought you were well, well will

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be a little bit better. Well, we've got a guy who gives it
is an innings eater. That's howyou went, Why you went and got
this, you know, former Allstar, that's not why you did this.
Who can up and walk when thisseason's over? This the mere the
mere trade alone says that they thinkthey're a world series team and who they
got because of he's a good pitcher, Make no mistake. He he's you

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know, he's not twenty five anymore. He's in his thirties and he's really
good. But if you come upshort, how can you how can you?
How can you say that it wasthe right trade if you don't win
it all this year because you can'tguarantee he's coming back. He may he
may want somewhere else. You wantto play this made it? I mean,

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you can't control this. He's undercontract and they trade him to go.
So the fact that he is arental tells me that they think did
their World series. If I toldyou they were gonna win a world series
this year and Kakuchi left then hewas I don't know how many starts he's

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got into. How we got seasons? Yeah, don't out how many he's
got left. How many he's gotleft this year? Eight starts, seven
starts to nine starts whatever somewhere inthere he's start under Yeah he started twenty
two so far. So yeah,probably ten starts. Yeah, that's a
scheduled so which would be thirty youknow. So let's say he's got eight
to ten starts left in him.Let's say he wins eighty percent of them,
and they win a World Series andhe gets a win in the World

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Series and becomes it and they youlook at he's formidable. You can't tell
me that's not worth it. Itis to me and I winning a World
series now and letting a prospect,letting two and bloss may turn into a
really good day. They think he'sgoing to be a good pitcher. They
wouldn't be running him out there.So if they win a World series,

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regardless of what Toronto does or thosethree, isn't it worth it? If
they win a World series and Kakuchi'sa big reason why if they win a
World series? Yes, it'll beworth it, agreed. Yeah, anything
short of that to me. Andif he's like I said, just if
he's you know, one good start, another one is he's knocked out three

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and a third, then he getsa decent start, and you know that
he's just kind of he's a littleinconsistent, but he's good one week or
one start, then the next oneit's he's a little mid and then good
another one and then you know,gets pulled the fourth inning in another one,
and then the playoffs, you know, gets knocked around a little bit,
gives you six innings and maybe intwo starts in the post in then

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they don't make the World Series orthey get knocked out of the ALCS.
And he's had three starts total inthe postseason and he's one in one,
no decision on the other, andthey don't win a World Series. Then
you could look and say it andit still doesn't matter what those guys do
in Toronto. Why because you're worriedabout your team now. It makes it

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even more hyper sensitive that if allof a sudden, those three guys go
and pitch well and do and playwell, then you're like really pissed.
But this is about the Astros rightnow. I'm willing to and I've always
said this, if you can wina World Series, I'll find another prospect
or I'll find another young player.It's not worth hoping that you win three
World Series the next ten years becauselow Braffito and Wagner and bloss are on

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your team to hope and not winin any as opposed to going and getting
a guy you think would. Iam still surprised it's a rental. I
don't I think that. I thinkit was an overpay. I do,
But if it ends up in aWorld Series and Kakuchi's a reason why,
a big reason why, then it'snot. It's not an overpay that tells

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you they're going to you. Youwant team to go all in for the
world to get a World Series.Well, they went and got a picture
and if they win it. Wouldn'tyou rather have one now than hope you
get two more in the next sevenyears? I would. Yeah, I
always want the ring, so IBut on the surface, I'm just tilling
as I sit today and woke uptoday, I don't feel like the Astros
won the trade. But it's notfair on either side because they haven't played

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a game yet in any the roster. It feels steep to me, but
we knew it would sting. Butthere there's that sizzle and that that extra
sting that you thought low Brafedo stingsfor a lot of people, I think,
and it does for me too.Cacuchi better be damn good to to
please some people, even though theask Us are worried about pleasing their own

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roster and winning a World Series.Not much of what you and I think,
but I know they had to dosomething and they did. But it
tells me on a rental that you'rethat you you expect to be in World
series contention. Now, Yeah,it's it's win now. I mean you
just traded three some three of yourtop prospects for a thirty three year old
rental. So it yeah, theybetter win a World series yep. And

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that's the way they're thinking, orthey wouldn't have done that. Yeah,
there's no question about it. We'regonna dig into it all morning. Along.
We've also got some audio from Astrogeneral manager Dana Brown speaking about those
prospects. And you say Kakuchi andthat trade last night, we'll go through
that as well. Plus well,the Astros gave up one at home last
night, Josh Hater gives up ago ahead home run in the top of

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the night they lose to the Pirates. Tons to get into and of course
we are going to take your callsseven to three two one two five seven.
I got the phone line starting tokind of blow up a little bit
early here this morning. I knowa lot of Astros fans are pretty upset
with this trade. Let's keep talkingabout it. Next on sports Stock seven
ninety, going non stop with formerQB Sean Salisbury. They traded Joey Loperfido,

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Jake Bloss and Will Wagner for yousay Kakuci thirty three year old rental
piece. Sean phone line is alreadystarting to blow up. I mean I
was texting you guys last night whenthat trade came down. Astro's Twitter exploded.
Yeah, why do you keep sayingI say I never said it?
You say it? I don't yousay wan it that way? Nice?

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Yes, that's a that's a littleBSB for you this morning at six twenty.
Who doesn't like a good boy band? I mean, really, it
should be boy band Tuesday. That'swhat we should do. No, why
not? Oh, there's not enoughgood songs to fill it. I got
plentyday Backstreet Boys in sync. Ohtown, there might be Backstreet Boys in

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sync. We could do that onetime, one Tuesday, and see if
we could do it. That'll bethe only time. Okay, Well people's
ears cringe at times. Yeah,but you know, slipping a little boys
to well, we can't consider boysto be in a boy band, can
I don't know, triple you thinkwe can consider boys to men a boys
a boy band? No too muchsoul and rhythm. Yeah, yeah,

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they're not a basic white group either, you know what I mean? So
they have way too much rhythm andsoul, no doubt. So. Yeah.
Astro's Twitter probably was a little Imean, they were a little beside
themselves as because Joey low perffed,Yeah, dude, what the what the
come on? Dana that man?Now you can't now t K can't say
it very often. Yeah, youthink Kakucci is on the mound? You

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know, blummer If you remember,Joey low Braffito used to be an Astro
but he was traded. That hurts. It does really cut steep it does?
Hey? Oh by the way,uh pedro leone officially called up for
the Houston Astros, so he finallygets his chance. Well, what'd I
tell you after we got off thatinterview last week? He'll be there in

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the next two weeks. Yeah,you can tell when he said, well,
he'll be He's gonna get some He'sgonna get some run soon, you
know, dude run. Can youimagine? Can you uh, can you
imagine? Imagine? Dragon? Dragon? Can you imagine? If Kakuchi's first
two outings are not good and pedroLeon's like, oh for his first twenty

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five this fan base is gonna eruptand all of a sudden they put low
Ba Fedo in the starting line upin Toronto and he leads and he has
his most home runs in the league, you know in August. Yeah,
he probably will. There you go, he probably will. Seven one three,
two five, seven, ninety.Man, that's probably gonna be like
this all morning long. Looking forwardto hearing how you feel Astros fans about

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this. Let's get into it.Seven one three, seven, hoey Roger,
you are up first. Good morning, gentlemen. Wow, what a
n I uh well this still withits still with chicken my boxes? Shall
we st hey tripley can you,uh triply? Can you Roger if you

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can hear us? Hold on,we've got a bad connection with you.
Let's go to Andrew Andrew. Goodmorning, Good morning, guys, good
morning. What's on your mind?Brother? How we feeling about this Astros
trade. I'm trying to keep mycool because I'm pretty pissed on Yeah,
no, no, no, letit out, brother. We are here
for you. This is your safespace onn you you give it to us,

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don't literally give it. Yeah,don't like it, don't like literally
give it to us. But youknow, let us know how you feel.
Just no cussing, so I knowI won't cuss. So Joe A.
Spotta said afterwards, the Kakuchi hasbeen a good picture for very long
time. Well, I'm gonna throwit back at them. Showed me on
the back of that baseball card wherehe's been good for a really long time.

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He's thirty six, he's got he'sthirty six and forty six in his
career. Andrew, I did myHomemorgan. They didn't do theirs. Clearly,
James James Click in Toronto right nowis laughing because he fleeced them.
You cannot tell me he didn't haveanything to do with them. Oh,

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he was involved, guaranteed, there'sno question about it. Oh that's what
you say. And then and thenon another note, I do I feel
like the Astro, I mean,Schemes is a different animal. I'm nobody
can hit him. But I feellike they're scouting department. Do they go
over like the scouting report with thehitters before the game or even because it

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seems every rookie pitcher they have neverbeen able to fall. I mean,
he go back to the Dodgers series. Yeah, they won two o three,
but they had a hard time hittingRiver. Ryan came in and pitched
well against the Astros for the Dodgers. Andrew, we appreciate the call man.
Yeah, I try not to driveoff the row with your anger towards
this trader, right, But yeah, and Andrew, I'm not sure if

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they sit down with the scouting departmentand walk through the game plan. I
would imagine they get the scouting reportevery day. Yeah, it says here's
what he likes. You know,he dows a splinker. He likes to
throw you know a little bit ofthis. He's a doesn't throws change up
a lot slider. I mean asa great command. You know, he
didn't touch one hundred last night.He was actually he was actually the average

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for him. I was gonna say, yeah, he looked average for Paul
Skins, right, which is sayingsomething. He still gives you six.
And the thing I love about himis when it's not going well, he
still grinds through it. There's onlylike four pictures in history did in their
first thirteen starts have over like overone hundred strikeouts what he's done. I
mean, the guy has been AdeoNomo's one of them. There's only a

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handful over the course of time.So this guy's been lights out all the
you know, we can keep pilingup statistics, but he was not at
his best last night. Did nothit a hundred. He did not hit
one hundred last night. And likeI said, he didn't have over the
command normal and he still you know, gets through it and gives you a
chance to win. So but Andrew, they do, I mean, they'll
they'll see a scouting report now howthey study it and trying to get after

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him. And you know, seeingrookies skeens feels like he's been in baseball.
When you're that good, you knowthat guy's coming. It's not some
unheard you know. It's not likethe first time Araghetti came up that some
team was getting ready to play tohim, and it's like, well,
I've heard he's a really good prospect. Y Skeen's reputation showed up about a
week before he did, and it'sall true. And he wasn't even at

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his best last night. So yes, players get scouting reports, and you
know how deep dive they go intoit is on them. But Skeens can
take a scouting report and blow itout of the water. He's that good.
And like I said, he wasn'tat his best last night and still
looked I mean, you know forhim, wasn't very good For a rookie
pitcher, you would have said,guys got a future. Yeah, they

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were able to come away with somebig hits late and and O'Neil Cruz's ball
was like one hundred and nineteen offPresley left one hundred and nineteen miles an
hour. Dude, Yeah it's pucknineteen. So they yeah, it's But
Skemes is if they didn't know thescatting report, they will I could tell
you that, but I'm sure theydid because he's so good. But yeah,

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I think that's the first of manycalls you're going to get that are
bothered by by by this trade.Yeah, we got time for one more
before we get to break Roger Seef. That connection is better? How you
doing? Is it better? Now? Yeah? There we go. What's
on your mind? Oh man,it's horrible trade. Uh you know,
I just we just witnessed GM suicide. Pretty much you got to ask yourself,

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you know, did the trade makeus better? And right off the
bat, I mean it's eavily onesided. It's Ronald just have their way
with uh, Dana Brown or whoeverthe whoever. The the table was a
thinking table for the Astros. I'mnot sure if Bagwell was there or not,
but that that thinking, that philosophyis horrible. You got a third,

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You got a third three year oldfour seven, four seventy five e
r a pitcher versus a buddy superstarWill Will Wagner who's tearing it up in
the minors. And then you gotblows who you might as well have just
kept them and just uh you know, uh, you know, just move
forward that way if you if youcan find a better trade partner than that
and that that is horrible. Andyou know, Sean, we believe in

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you. You're the guy. You'reour gatekeeper. I'm sure you asked the
questions and and and and and anduh you know, asked Dana Brown.
You know what was the thinking,what was the logic going? You can
you can guarantee that, brother,you can guarantee and wait the year this
man because you got Yeah, you'reyou're the gatekeeper. Shop you know what

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to do. I believe all ofyour cable, But all right, man,
have them going appreciate it. Roger, you want the truth. I
want answers. That's what data.It'll be. It'll be Tom Cruise and
Jack nicholasaid tomorrow you want. Iwant answers. You I you can't handle

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the truth I want? Yeah,I I can't wait till that now.
You know, all respect the dataBrown, but it'll be we got we
have to dive into this. Yougot to get into thinking as to I
think we know why, why whyyou wanted to pitch her, But the
why is why all this for arental? I didn't really think that rentals

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were going to be a big partof it, did you, Brian?
I didn't think that was I didn'the said they weren't interested in rentals.
Yeah, that's what he's that's andso But you know, like we said,
what happens when you get close tothe deadline. You start to think,
well, you go, sure,and who doesn't and maybe this was
maybe this is a target they allin mind. Who knows, But you

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start to get to the point whereyou look around and say, well,
what if this guy's gone and thisguy goes And then then you start saying,
well, this guy gives us.He's thirty three, he's got he's
had an All Star, he's beenan All Star, and you hope you
can get it. But I didn'twant to live on the All Star break?
Is hope? Did you that?That's my thing? And this was
this was one of those where it'sstung. If this thing's worse for us

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than it does Toronto on the surface, let's put it that way. That
and then we can get into itmore. But that Roger makes a good
point, Roger, I promise youI will. I will. The guy
will get a dive as deep asI try to every week, and even
deeper because this one. Hell,it's almost like you put the season aside
for a second when during an interviewthat this is it's gonna be hard,
you know, deep dive into whyis tomorrow and try to you know,

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I don't know, is there asofter landing that he can give us than
how we're feeling about it now?Now Kkuci goes out and no hit somebody
in his first start, we maythink different, but on the surface,
it feels like a Toronto win onthe trade surface. And and that's all
we got right now until we seehow they perform and how Kakuchi performed here.
The rental caught me off guard,it did. Who is the only

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other rental guy that they were afterthey were involved with Jack Flaerty U H
Flaerty's a rental two? I thinkso I was a little surprised by that,
considering what they gave up to geta rental, not a guy who
you have under control for another yearor two. Seven seven ninety is the
number to join. Phone lines lightingup if you're on hold. We will
get to you guys next. Definitewant to hear one's thoughts on this trade.

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one two five seven ninety. Howare you feeling about the astros trade?
In order of longest wait, Lou, We'll start with Steve. Steve,
good morning, Hey, guys,I woke up this morning. I didn't
know about it, and all wantto say is this. You can't be
serious. Yes, I'll do aJohn McEnroe, but it feels like that
movie Sean's the movie guy, sotripley. This is for you. What

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was it trading places where these guysbet a dollar one dollar? I want
to listen, I don't have Ican't hear you, so I'll say on
while y'all get rid of me.I want to listen to your reply,
but you can't be serious. Loprafitoan Italian guy. Come on? Sounds
hanky, but anyways, I'll leaveyou at that. Appreciate it, Steve.

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Let's keep it rolling on the phonelines, and then let's get over
to Brad. Brad, thanks forholding Good morning, Warner Fellas. Hey,
yeah, I could care less.Honestly, every is so emotional about
this. In the last ten years, we've given up about eighteen prospects.
Do y'all name any of the eighteenprospects that have done easy in the pros?
We don't know anything about their prospectscoming up over you go a great

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defensive guy. I love the guywho cares like we're so emotional about this
that didn't brown No matter what hedid, did nothing get yeoed at does
something gets Yeah? I gave himtoo much the benefit of down with the
braves. I can benefit out thisroute. Let's see what if we get
a ring. No one's gonna careabout it. Who we gave up,
That's all it matters, Docula.I am with you, though, Brad,

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If if you want a world series, I could care less you parted
with low perfito honest to God,and if and I'm talking about if if
and Kakuchi contributes to it and isgood I honestly to me. Now you're
like, oh, man, Ihope he does well somewhere else. But
in truth, how is a ringnot? I mean, I don't know
if they're gonna get it. LikeI said, on the surface, the

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frustration for me is like, man, it seemed like they we talked about
sting. I've asked him, it'sgonna hurt. Yeah. You can't give
up good player. You can't giveup bad players to get good players.
I think the problem is I thinkthat they may hold Kokuchi in higher regard
than some of our fans or listenersdo. I mean, and and I
get that as well. The truthis the trade should be judged when it's

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done. I mean when when theseason's over, because he's a rent we
don't know where he's going next year. And this says your you believe your
World Series team because he's a rentaland you were willing to part with three
guys, young players, the twothat have already been in the big leagues
and one that's playing well in theminor leagues and there is a legacy player
here in Houston to get him,so really and call her was a Brad

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makes a great point. Yeah,Brad Well, I mean, everybody's up
in arms now, and we allthe emotion kicks in because that's what the
trade deadline does. But if theywalk off with the World Series, Dana
Brown will be Executive of the Year. Okay, after all these injuries and
happen to do it. If Kakuchigoes on a roll and pitches all star
like and they go win a WorldSeries and he's a factor, everybody's gonna

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tell him how great the trade was, regardless of what low Perfito does now.
Five years from now, if Kokuchi'snot pitching anymore when he's thirty,
eight and low Perfito's raking, andso is Wagner, and the bloss is
a frontline starter. You may say, damn, we gave a look what
those guys are doing now, butdon't ever forget if you go back and
get the ring, the trade wasworth it. It's tough enough to get

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one ring. Ask any guy who'splayed this, never had one in any
in a sport. We're spoiled herein Houston. So I know the surface
is the frustration, but Brad hitsit right on. We get so emotional
with this. In truth, ifyou take a step back, if Kakuchi's
asked, then you know what toget. Horrible trade, but as a
rental. If we win a WorldSeries and he's an All Star and pitches

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like an All Star the last halfof the season or the last you know,
little less than half the season,and you win your crown World Series
champions, you can't complain about youcan't have both all the time. You
can't keep prospects, get better atthe trade deadline, and win a World
Series and then what five years fromnow low Perfiedo back. Now, maybe
you'll get him back someday. Soyou got to see right now in the

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surface, it feels it feels toomuch. If they win a world series,
you can keep low perffto Bloss andWagner, and even if all three
of them are all stars, yougot another ring. But Kakuci has to
prove that it was worth the rental. And right now, I think that's
the biggest problem for people, DoctorRandall, before we get to break Randall,
welcome in. Hey, good morning. I think we need another picture.

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No matter what. It can't beas bad as the ones we already
have. Uh. I don't thinkthat the Astros will get a ring this
this year based on joy its spythose decisions, because last night Hater was
in a jam and he did notmake a mound visit at all, and
uh Skins did clock at one hundred. After uh Breakman hit the file ball,

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he came right back and hit fora hundred. I watched the hole.
They said, they said on thethey said, yeah, they said,
though on the on the on whatI read and saw that he didn't
touch a hundred one time last night. Now, maybe I missed a pitch,
but according to what I also readafter on the screen, you didn't
hit a hundred. Yeah, yeah, yeah, sir, they showed it
on the screen. I watched thewhole game. I was a good game.

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I think that the manager lost thatgame because he didn't make a mound
visit to get his picture under control. I don't think that he goes out.
I don't think that he's a greatencourage. I don't think that that
he can put the fire in hisplayers. You know, you're a professional,

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you should already have the fire.But his spider doesn't make good decisions.
And I'm not being critical towards himas a man, but I'm talking
sports baseball, and I don't thinkthat the Astros can get another ring with
him because he don't make good decisions. That's all I am. Randall.

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Yeah, I was looking not thatthis. It's just you know, good
gracious, it's it's semantics. ButI believe in unless I'm crazy. When
I and Brian McTaggert, I trusteverything that I trust Randall as well.
Don't misunderstand. But Brian McTaggart,I don't read his article because unless I
missed a pitch when I was watching, But I think Brian said that I
don't know if Bloss touched I mean, if he touched one hundred last night.

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So I got it up. Igot the pitch and report here from
Baseball Savant, which I mean showsevery pitch that he threw last night.
The hardest that he threw was ninetynine point six miles an hour. Yeah,
and it was it wasn't mc mctagger. And I was reading about the
trade, Brian, about the theyou know, they landed Kokuchi for three
players. It was it was thegame report that I went over to make
sure that I didn't miss him hittingthe hunter because he wasn't at his best

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last night. Yeah, So Idon't think now if you're rounding it off,
maybe, but either way, that'ssemantics. What is the trade thing?
And you know, he real quick, Brian about the uh, the
handling the hater, Uh the wayhater and uh a spot of the way
he's handled hater. The spot ofhater when he's used him has been really

(32:42):
different this year, don't you agree. I mean, not just visits,
but the way he's used him indifferent games. I mean, as as
Steve Sparks talked about chasing wins andall that, it's just been handling.
And I think that it got tothe point last night when he was in.
You're like, this is who we'regoing with. We're not. There's
nobody else you're going to see.But even to stop him down and do
it. I get Randalls saying itwas a it was a tough way to
lose a ball game last night.We've seen that now what three times?

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Four times this year? Uh huh. It's groundhog day with him. Yep,
it's been like that, and it'susually the longball that ends it.
He was looking fastball and got whenhe could drive, and there you go.
Yeah, I'm basically middle middle sevenone three two point two five seven
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llc dot Comy, you're back.This is the Sean Salisbury Show. Get
back at it. In regards tothe trade that the Astros made yesterday,
they acquire left handed pitcher youse Kakushifrom the Toronto Blue Jays for Joey lo
Berfido, Jake Bloss and Will Wagner. Seven one three, two one two

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five seven ninety is the number tojoin in order of longest wait. We
will start with John. John,welcome in. Hey guys, good morning.
Yeah. I uh, I donot like this trade. Uh and
I'm really ticked off that. Youknow, I've been calling in stance spring
training that the Astros needed another armand they waited too long where they acted

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out of desperation. I think thatI mean low berfeedo is going to be
a good ballplayer. And we alsotraded away what could be the replacement for
Bregman if we lose him. AndI I, you know, I really
don't understand this trade. I reallydon't. I think James Click, who
Crane fired right after we won theWorld Series, Uh, is on his

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way to buildy Toronto back up.And you know, I like Click when
he was here, by the way, But but I I just I just
have a problem with the trade.I think, Uh, you know,
we just got backed into desperation.We you know, we had to do
something. I understand that because itwas starting to take a strain on the
relief pitching. Uh. You canjust see, you know, I was
vocal about this too, calling inwhere I get to see what it's wearing

(35:44):
on the pitching staff and the relievers, and and you know, I see
that we had to do something.But I just I really don't like what
we gave up. I really don't. And and uh, I don't know.
I'm just very mixed on this.And I'm hopeful. I'm hopeful for
the best, but I don't know. I just think that we gave away
way too much. And I don'tunderstand giving it up for a rental.

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I really don't, but those aremy thoughts on it. Thank you.
John. Yeah, the rental part, Brian and John is a problem.
I know. We all try toget the benefit of doubt because we've got
a pretty good ball club and youthink, okay, can it be let's
see, But on the initial partthe emotions run wild and I too,

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Brian, you and I've been discussingthis regularly, and Steve Sparks said it.
One thing you never want to dois operate out of what desperate She
talked about this, And the closeryou get, the bigger the competition because
people are all now scrambling around andyou get four or five teams want the
same guy. I've always just wonderedwhy why a trade can't be done three

(36:51):
weeks before the trade deadline. Ithas to come twenty four hours before there's
got And maybe they were working,and I'm not saying they weren't, But
my sense of urgency, I guessis a little different than maybe other people's.
I if I want something, Idon't want fourteen people in line.
I'd like to beat them before fourteen. I'd rather deal with four people in

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line than fourteen, wouldn't you I'drather be dealing with I mean it just
to me sometimes and maybe you don'tknow if somebody is available. But I'm
aggressive early, not just late,because aggressive late sometimes you get overly aggressive
in anything we do, you know, and make decisions that are rash and
that you say, well, man, I can't come. What do we

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say would be the biggest disaster comingout of this trade deadline with nothing?
Now, when you come out ofthe trade deadline on the surface and it's
a rental for three guys that youlike and one that I think they love
and low Perfetalles, a lot ofpeople do so it just with John.
With John, you know, youhope that it turns out. But Brian,

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I don't know about you. Myfirst reaction was when I first saw
it, Low Perfidal wasn't in.Didn't see Loperfito's name. Yeah. The
first time it came down, therewas speculation it was Bloss and yeah,
or maybe it was just gloss.And then you're like bloss, okay,
and then they threw in the thenthe other two that's again like okay,
bloss for Cocucci, I'm good withthat. Hell yeah, Cocucci's eighty five

(38:16):
percent of what he was an AllStar. It's like, okay, I'm
good with that. Then oh andtwo other Then you started to see the
timeline. It's like because I wasdriving and I'm like, whoa what?
Oh two more low Braffito Wagner.Then it's like, well, wait a
minute now. And then because youknow, you get caught up in all

(38:37):
these pictures, Brian, and you'dforget who's a rental when you're just going
through it in your head, right, And then I looked, I said,
wait a minute, now, isthis contract up? And looking so,
I'll be damned. He and Flahertyboth were were rentals. Then they
got one of them. It seemeda little steep, and that beast thing
hurt worse than I thought it wouldon the surface. On the surface,

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there you go. We'll see.I don't need to keep saying and that,
but sometimes you may have to tocalm people down. But I also
get every single caller's frustration, andI think they have a reason to be
frustrated. I do. It feltdesperate for a rental. Now hopefully there
they know far more about it thanwe do. And it turns out to
be great, that would be awesomeWorld series or bust when you trade for

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rental, in my opinion, andif you don't win a World Series and
he's not an all star pitcher,then you gave up too much. Simple
three prospects for a rental is whatI can't get over. How did it
cost three to get? You say, Kakuchi? You know you mentioned other

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guys that came here at the tradedeadline, like when Randy Johnson came here
rental. Justin Verlander obviously got dealtlate when they had two essentially two trade
deadlines, and you give the secondtrade deadline wasn't right, Yes, he
was a second trade time around,right. Yeah. And then even when
you went and got Zach Greenky,you had to give up good prospects.
We're talking about Zach green five ofthem. Yeah, we're talking about Zach

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Ranky, Roger or not Roger,Randy Johnson, and Justin Erlander. Not
you say Kakuchi who's thirty three anddoesn't even have a winning record in his
career. You mean three Hall offamers exactly about? Yeah? Yeah,
okay, that that I understand thisone. Three of these guys for a
middle of the road starter. Idon't know. What if I what if

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I told you they signed the Kakuchisaid he'd resign, they re signed him
for two more years, that wouldmake it hurt. That would make it
hurt a little bit less. Okay, yeah, that agreed, But that
isn't gonna happen right now. No, what's it's all about? Yeah,
exactly, But at the end ofthe day, it's for rental. We'll
keep taking your call. Seven onethree two one two five, seven ninety
is the number to join MLB tradedeadline. Are the Astros done dealing?

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Ryan Lima, go Lobos. Thisis the Sean Salisbury Show. So
yeah, you're rolling with that,aren't you. Yes, dude, you
got to give me something. Ofcourse I have if it wasn't going to
be a fetti one tense with ayou know, ice down, uh,

(41:50):
with ice down, with some silverbullets that we could use. And if
you keep saying, I say,I'll to say you say, you say
yeah, yeah, yeah, allright, So there you go. I'm
like a twelve year old dude becauseof this. You and I it's we
are. It's twelve year olds.Oh we get some name to play with.
This is awesome. Yep, ma, it's that name you say.

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Kakushi mm hmmm, Joey lit Perfitogone, Jake Bloss gone, Will Wager
gone. For a rental, yep, that's the that rent that last part
of it. Dude, you didn'tbuy the property. It's rental. Yeah,
and you don't. You don't.You don't control it for the you
know, for the next couple ofyears and thirty three. You're gonna get
a lot of backlash from this.So I'm just sitting back and enjoying this.

(42:34):
Yep, this coffee I'm drinking rightnow, listening to our great callers
and having a feast on this.Yeh. See how this turns out.
Yeah, we got a full phoneboard seven one, three, two five
seven ninety Brian, you're up first. Good morning, Hey, good morning
guys. I want to try tomaybe bring a little bit of sanity to
this conversation. And I get itpeople are ups that and maybe you did

(42:55):
give up a little bit too much, But real quick, in context of
the guys we traded for, ZachGreeky greeted Zach Greeky, how many of
those guys haven't mounted into anything.I think Josh Rojas is the only one
who's still in the big league.So guys could get hurt, guys got
under perform. I'm not saying Iwish that on those guys, but you

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just have no idea on prospects.Jake bloss could be the next Max Scherzer,
justin Berlander. He could also bethe next marka Pell and be out
of baseball in a couple of years. You just have no Everybody likes him
because of the potential upside, andhe was a young kid and they played
well, and he is and Kakuchiis a rental, but I think you

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know, and I saw Michael schwabOn was posting stats on him last night
He's very similar to Fromber and peopleI think are focused too much on on
Era and that's part of it,but I think he could actually be pretty
good in this rotation. Another goodleft handed ground ball pitcher with this defense
behind him could be really well.Joey low Perfino I don't think is longed

(44:00):
for this organization. I think hewas their trade ship because you do have
guys like pedro Leone who is havinga good year and it's just time to
see what you have in him,as well as Jacob Melton Will Wagner.
I think it hurts more because ofwho his dad is, because now you've
promoted zag Desenzo to Triple A andhe, I think is gonna be more
of a natural third baseman to takeBregman spot down the road. Maybe you

(44:25):
put a minimum veteran there. Butpeople are upset about Dana Brown, and
I get it. You know,maybe he did, you know, maybe
he did overpay for Renald, Butlet's let's place appropriate blame where it belongs,
and that's with Justin Verlander, LanceMcCullers, Junior, Luis Garcio,
Jose er Keaty and Christian ivre Bynot being able to stay healthy. They

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put Dana Brown in this situation.If those guys are healthy, you don't
know who these guys are, oryou may have heard a little bit about
him, and they're making smaller heelshere. They're only making these deals because
Justin Berlander can't get healthy. Gladysmcauler's junior has no clue what he's doing
in terms of coming back. LuisGarcia is not you know, he was

(45:13):
putting this situation. And if he'ssaying the price for other guys was even
higher, I know everybody wanted VladGuerrero junior. That probably would have cost
you a lot more. They probablywould have cost you a Jacob Mountain plus
maybe a couple of big league guys, So you have to take everything in
context. I know it sucks becauseeverybody liked low Grafito and the way he
played and all of that, Butyou got Jacob Mountain coming right behind him,

(45:37):
and I think that's where they're stuckin this franchise is. But let's
not put all the blame on DanaBrown here, because his hand was somewhat
forced, and we also don't knowwhat Jim Green may have told him in
terms of hey, don't get ridof any of the big league guys,
get rid of all the prospects youwant. So part of it is we
don't know the full story or whatwas fully offered. And but yeah,

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I think James click a smile alittle bit going, all right, I
got my revenge on Jim Craying.I got maybe an extra piece in there.
But I know you guys got afull board. But that's all I
got. Guys, have a goodshow. Appreciate it. Brian, thanks,
Hey Brian, real quick, bothBrian's listen. That's why I keep
emphasizing on the surface. Do Ithink Dana Brown's going to take some undue

(46:21):
flat for this on this? Yes? I do. And he has been
put in a bind. And thenwe say, well, why wasn't it
we all do, I wasn't doneearlier? Why didn't we work on Maybe
they were? It takes two todance when it comes to the trade deadline
minimum of two, and so withthis it becomes a it's tough. He
was put in a bind with theinjuries. Those aren't on him. Those

(46:43):
are either on guys that can't stayhealthy because they don't know or don't know
how to rehab we're just unfortunate circumstances. And you're exactly right about prospects.
I think a lot of times prospectsare overrated. We look at what they've
done, and all of a suddenwe say, man, he's going to
be a star, and he neverturns. As a matter of fact,
more of them turn out not tobe stars, and they do stars,
some become average major league players.Some you never hear from. Again,

(47:05):
it's the one that hits that drivesyou crazy. And Steve Spark said it.
We talked about it, everybody talksabout it. At the trade deadline.
You're gonna overpay, especially when youwant pitching, You just are You're
gonna more than likely overpay. Somaybe if people say fleeced on the service,
I get it, like when RogerI do because I felt the same
way. Not fleece, but man. But to say this is just straight

(47:28):
out we don't know the conversations.We don't know what the end results gonna
be with this trade. We've alreadygot it. Listen, We've already got
low Perfeto headed for the Hall ofFame. It looks like he's got potential,
But what if he's a two thirtyhitter and strikes out one hundred and
fifty times a year, but playsgood defense. Okay, and if Kakuchi
does not play well at all,bitch away. But I think we at
least got to see this year.I think the thing that drove us into

(47:51):
the ground is the rental part,like, oh, why are you doing
this? I'm gonna tell you this. You can get You can keep fifty
prospects if I win a World Series. I don't care World Series or bust
for me every year, especially withthis frand they're that good now, you
hope that you can have enough prospectsthat you can build it again. But
this is not an unprecedented run otherthan the Atlanta Braves where you keep winning.

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So I don't and put themselves inAlcus, you know, with a
chance to win a World Series.If they win a World Series and Loop
low Perfito's the MVP three years fromnow, it was still worth it to
me. It just was now rightnow. I don't think that's it bothers
me. But if low Brafito's theMVP in the American League in three years
and this team wins a World Seriesin Kakuchi pitches like an All Star if

(48:36):
he pitches well and fits in withthis great hitting order in this defense.
It was worth it, Brian,It was absolutely worth it, regardless of
what low Brafito does. If theywin a World Series. Now it's a
big if because there's a lot ofcompetition, but I think the emotion of
us all get to all we gothammered. Well, we don't know if
we got hammered, yet on thesurface we did. But what if Kakuchi's

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All Star kous and they win aWorld Series? Which are you do you
have a problem with it? Nope, you can't. You can't. You
can't get players and just give away. Let's give you our fortieth best prospect
and hope you're gonna get a guywho's been all start. It just doesn't
work that way. You're gonna hurta little bit, win, win a
World Series and put a ring onthe finger. I don't care if Will

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Wagner and low Perfito win co MVPsfour years from now. That's four years
from now, doesn't mean a HilloBeans By then there'll be another prospect Melton
maybe leading the league and hitting bythe time he comes up in four years.
So but it is on a rental. You're telling me that you believe
you're a World Series team when yourent a guy. And that's the biggest
pressure on Dana Brown. Now forit all to be Dana Brown's fault on

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the surface is I think a littleoverboard. But they did overpay to get
him. But they're not the onlyteam of the trade deadline, Brian that
overpaid or that will overpay. Byfive o'clock today, Let's talk to Jim
before we get to the stakeout.Jim walkme in. Hey guys, how
you doing good? Brother? What'son your mind with this trade deadline?

(50:00):
Well? Okay, man, Lookyou know, let's look at Dana Brown's
record so far. Right, welet Naris walk, we let Mayton walk,
we let Stannik walk, and Stannikout of the three I can understand
to go sign Josh Hater, whois a mediocre closer at best. I

(50:22):
mean his record this year is notgood. Now we trade two prospects for
a number five starter. I meanthis guy's if you look at his career,
right, he's basically a five vR A pitcher with a one point
three to four whip. I meanhe puts a lot of guys on base.
He's a number five starter. Imean bloss was a number five starter,

(50:44):
you know. I think we gaveup on him too early. And
Dana Brown is no James Hunsacker,and he's no James Klick. I mean,
I think this is a bad move. I think the hater was a
bad move. I mean we're givingaway too many good plays for mediocre guys
in return, guys that have greatrecords but come here and they don't perform.

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I mean, you know, wecan try to. This doesn't make
sense to me. Why would wegive away all these players when for a
number five starter? It just doesn'tmake any sense. Guys, y'all have
a good day. Thank you.That's what Brian. You and I discussed
this, and he makes a greatpoint about the thing that I guess what

(51:27):
I'm more bothered by is that youand I said, do we go get
just a guy or do we goget a frontline guy and be willing to
pay a little bit more. Youand I both leaned towards a three or
a two starter, a bigger wowfactor. Okay, that's worth it,
right, and not non rental.There's got to be some reason in there.
They think, but Kokuchi's career,says has that had all star moments,

(51:49):
But he's not. He's not atop of the rotation guy. He's
not even a three. Maybe onthis staff he could turn into one,
I guess in the second half ofthe season, but it is sadly he's
got the ability to be just aguy. He's proven that, correct you
think about it. When they firstsaid all star starter, I mean,
when I was reading the articles bringingan all star performer, you know who,

(52:12):
you know his name came this.I thought, although Kakuchi's name had
been mentioned a million times, Brian, I thought, please tell me a
scoffsman that they pulled a fast one, right. I was thinking, you
know what, you start to thinklike that, and so you may just
get a guy as a five starter. And then the abra you stuff still
looms, even though it wasn't youknow, Dana Brown, it was Jeff

(52:34):
Bagwell. Those things loom. AndI understand the off season spring training and
arms and that and and people aregoing to point to that, and he
makes a good point. I justI like to see how the result of
the trade works out before I completely, you know, lose my mind on
the surface. It was an odddeal with a with a with a rental
on a guy who would not bea front the top three rotation guy on

(52:57):
most good teams in baseball. We'llsee. Let's keep it rolling. Let's
get to the steak out and continueto talk about this trade. Seven one
three two one two five seven ninetyAstros fans, how are you feeling about
the trade? Let us know.We'll get to your calls next on Sports
Talk seven ninety. Let's go.This is the Sean Salisbury Show. All

(53:23):
right, Sean, what are youhearing out there now? The Salisbury Steakout,
Salisbury takout on the Sean Salisbury Shows. Time for the steak out.
Here on the Sean Salisbury Show.For the steak out. It's gonna be
a let's hear how you feel steakout? Seven one three two one two

(53:45):
five seven ninety's phone line's been jammedup all morning, so let's get to
you, the Astro fan. Howare you feeling about the Astros trade?
Yeah? What's up, Bryan?Real quick? Yeah? I uh.
Before we get to these guys,I'm just curious because you know, we
both like Dani Brown. I thinkit's a tough task to be a GM

(54:05):
but I do go and tomorrow itwill be about is, well, let's
say, is passionate is? I'msure we will. We've had the passion
on. Tomorrow's interview with Dan Brownwill be a passionate one at nine thirty
because we are I'm gonna have toput scuba gear on because my deep dive
is gonna he's gonna need a freshan oxygen tank. You get my point?

(54:28):
Yeah, fairly though, But I'mpainting corners and I'm going right bullseye.
But when they made this trade,and you you can answer this even
after the steak, I just mullthis over. When they made the trade
to do this Kakuchi, for thesethree guys, Bloss and Wagner and especially

(54:50):
low Braffido, what would make youmake this trade? What? What would
on the surface, I keep mentioningsurface to needed meet of these guys who
performed for the other team yet right, what would make you pull this trigger?
If you're the gym and I'm Dan, he's gonna get asked that.

(55:10):
I want to know the conversation theyhad. Is it, Jim Crane?
Is it a group of people?Did Dana sit back and say this in
his mind because he thinking, Listen, he's been in you don't last in
baseball thirty years and not know baseball. He's been a very good talent evaluator.
He's been pretty damn up front withus. You know, well,
hang with us. We're gonna startwinning. And they did the trade the

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off season stuff. People can questionthat, the arms and the bullpen,
all that stuff, but I dowant to know what may be in your
mind and that and it's just forout there for everybody, and for Dana
is when you're sitting around and you'reyou're going back and forth with James click
or Toronto or you're just mulling overwho you're going after? Was this their

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number one target? Was this?Where they did they know that going in,
well we're going to part with lowBraffido. If somebody asked, did
they do they do they think todaythat on the surface, as we continue
to mention that this trade, thatthe Astros won this trade, or is

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it well, is it a hopetrade? Was this a hope or a
no trade? The hope that youthat you're going to be good and it's
worth it, or that you knowthis was the right move. And where
did this fall in in the peckingorder of Astro's priority. Was Kakuchi a
top priority? Was holding on tolow Perfido a small priority? What was

(56:37):
it in between? Where just likea draft board, where will it we
want this guy, this guy,this guy, this guy. Here's the
order we got him ranked. Okay, this guy's off the board, checked
off, this guy's Where did theirdraft board end up when they put it
together for free agency? Was Kakuchia first round pick? Was he a
top fifteen pick? Was he anNBA lottery pick? Was this the trade

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that you said, or was itone for one and they said, now
you know what, We're not doingit unless you give it this guy,
Okay, we'll do it. Orwas it well, was this something that
for weeks you knew you had apretty good idea that's where you were headed.
Was this a afterthought trade or wasthis a priority trade? All these
questions that I now, I'd liketo say, I need answers. I
think we want answers too. Wemay not get them. But where did

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this fall in? You know howevery draft, what do they say,
Brian when they get a guy thatthey did not just yeah, I'm talking
about anybody in the NFL, wegot our guy, right, and you
know with the twenty eighth pick,they didn't get their guy. Did the
Astros wake up today saying we gotour guy or did they know that the
backlash was going to be enormous Tuesdaymorning. I'm not have to moll that

(57:45):
over. And that's why I askedyeah, because I can't fathom from what
we see and know that this wasyour number one go to. That's all
I'm saying. If it is,then I'll respect it and roll with it,
and I respect anything they do becausethat's a hard ass job what Dane
has got to do. Been honestwith us every step of the way.

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But it's gonna be it's gonna bea deep dive, and I'm gonna press
you have to because I need toknow. I think we all would like
to know. Was this the WorldSeries move? If it wasn't, If
you didn't make this move for aWorld series, If you didn't think this
was a World Series move, youcannot make this move. They were already
a playoff team if this was Ifyou didn't think this was a World Series

(58:30):
move, then you can't make thismove. So tomorrow I got to hear
this was a world series move forus, gives us a chance, we
think the best chance to gainst theworld, a chance for the best chance.
And I know you got to dealwith other teams. Was this the
priority? Just something them all over, buddy for the next couple of segments,
and you can answer that whenever youfeel like, yeah, i'mou have
to collect my thoughts on everything.It's just a audio. Now. Imagine

(58:53):
if you were the guy I wasinterviewing, and that's what it's gonna feel
like tomorrow. Yeah, because I'mgoing, Okay, I got I just
I just looking for answers. Hegives them. Great, then we'll then
we'll ride along and see we gotno choice, right, Yeah, seven
seven ninety let's talk to Rob.Rob. Welcome in, thanks for rolling.
Hey, good morning guys. Uh. I got several points on this

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one, and I'll try and makehim quick. I'm gonna I'll be one
of the few that it seems tosay that I think that this move was
fine to make you know, thethe only the only piece of this that
stings for me is low Perffto.I mean, kind of like most other
people here in Houston, I've reallyenjoyed watch watching him, and I'm glad
that he's come up and done whathe did, But you can't get upset

(59:37):
about letting go of the future,which still remains to be unknown, is
has Kakuchi been a front line starterbye? By the definition most people are
gonna say no. He also hasn'tplayed on the greatest teams and in the
best organizations historically with where he's beenand the Astros, granted we no longer

(59:58):
have strong but the Astros do havesolid history of taking pitchers that have been
three, four or five guys andturning them into twos and threes or ones
and twos, and hopefully we cando that with Kokuchi. And he's certainly
got the major league experience, andthat's the key there is that he's got
the major league experience. He's Ihonestly feel when he came over here he

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was hyped up, not to Houston. I mean when they first you know,
came over here with the Mariners.He was hyped up then. And
you know he's disappointed from that hype. But that's easy to say because most
players do disappoint from the hype thatthey get when they're brought over because it's
extremely difficult to live up to thehype in terms of what we gave up.

(01:00:45):
Again, low perfdo is the onlyone that I really feel that hurts.
Bloss was a he was a thirdround pick from just a year ago.
I don't really feel like we hada huge amount of investment in him.
Our guys that we drafted this yearcan quickly make up for that.
You know, pitchers with that amountof experience, and he was a twenty
three year old rookie at that.You know, a guy that comes into

(01:01:06):
the league as a twenty three yearold is not normally a guy that you
say he's gonna be a part ofour future piece. So I can't I
honestly don't feel that it's fair tosay we gave up a huge piece of
our future and the loss with Blossand he hasn't one of the guys that
I've heard talk about a whole lotof our minor league farm club system this
year. And another point is everybody'sfocused on we got a trade, we

(01:01:31):
got to make a trade, wegot to make a trade, and they're
discounting, they're completely discounting the factthat what the Astros have done the past
thirty forty games, overcoming a youknow, ten game deficit in terms of
the standings and in terms of justa five hundred record, not just the
standings. They've done that without twomajor pieces in Verlander and Tucker, who

(01:01:57):
are both gonna be back and hope. You know, I'm sure Tucker will
come back healthy. I don't don'tknow why he's been out this long,
but I'm sure he'll come back healthy. You know. Verlander and his age
is kind of a question mark,but he normally comes back, and when
he comes back, he's normally betterthan he was. We've done what we've
done without those pieces, and oncethose are back, that's that's the equivalent

(01:02:21):
to two major trade acquisitions in termsof what we've done without them. So
once we get them back, youadd in Kokuchi, this move made us
a better major league club today.Our minor league system may have taken a
hit, but in terms of abig league club, this move makes us
a better team. That opens upour outfield spot, which was already crowded

(01:02:44):
as it was without Tucker being available, So we fill in that. We
kind of narrow the margins a littlebit to give the guys that are regular
you know, everyday contributors to wherewe kind of eliminate that revolving door that
we've had in the outfield. Andthat'll loan you look at what happened when
we got rid of a bray thatwe got better as a team because it

(01:03:06):
removed a piece that was having toforce a revolving door. And that and
on that note, I'm also gonnasay people keep talking about upgrading first base.
I don't know how much of thegame y'all watched last night. I
was there. Singleton made some amazingsaves over there at first base, and
he's putting the bat on the ball. He's a serviceable first baseman, that's
all, which is what most ofthe league is. You know, Thanks

(01:03:29):
which Rob, which is what mostof the league is. We got to
go to break. We'll talk aboutwhat Rob said coming out. I will
say this, the Jake Bloss partof this trade had zero impact on me.
Yeah, it doesn't bother me atall. It did buy to me.
To me a decade from now,Jake Bloss is not going to be
your number one starter on any roster. Okay, so I mean unless now,
if he is, I'll stand upsay, damn boy, what a

(01:03:51):
turner round he that didn't do it. And the Wagner thing, Yeah,
I gotta get Billy Steed. He'sbeen playing well in the minor leagues.
It's the low per fetal hype andthe way he's performing what we think we
got. But Rob's right, themajor league roster's better today. If Couci's
given, if Cocuci's serviceable, it'sbetter. Now. We all prospects that
we wanted. I want to winnow. That's why I'm not burying this

(01:04:14):
completely insane. It's it's horrible thesurface that doesn't look it. I don't
like those. That's why those questions. But Rob very well and methodically thought
out about is his thoughts. Thetruth of the matter is most first base
first base positions in this league arejust service So they're okay, it's not
every team got a dominant power guy. But with this trade, the bloss

(01:04:34):
Wagoner, okay, if he turnsout. Maybe Bloss didn't. That didn't
shock me. But to me,he was just a throw in piece anyway.
I Bloss was never never a guythat I'm whoa at least early on.
That man, we can't afford tolose him. If you do five
years from now and he turns outto be a good picture of great get
in line. But that had zeroimpact. It's the low per fetal hype

(01:04:56):
impact and what we've seen in theenergy right now. You needed an arm,
you got it. Was it thepriority arm. That's what we'll discuss
at some point, I'm sure.Yeah, let's keep it rolling right here
on the Shawn Salisbury Show. Ihad to live out there for the Shawn
Salisbury Show. Continued a little rapidfire get through some of these calls.
I know a couple guys been waitingon hold for quite a while wanting to

(01:05:17):
get in on this trade discussion.We'll start with Jonathan. Jonathan, appreciate
you holding. What's on your mindwith this trade? Jonathan. All right,
we'll keep it going triple see ifJonathan's there, let's go to Jeff.
Jeff, good morning, Yes,good morning, thanks for taking my
call. I'm one of those guys. Been on a while, but I'll

(01:05:39):
try to be quick. Love theAstros living in Virginia, grew up around
Houston, and this is the worsttrade I've seen in the history of baseball.
I put a nice article on Twitteryesday, nder Jeff Kendall and I
if we'd have made no moves andScooble Bradley from Tampa Bay stayed home with

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and Crockett stayed home. We hadas good a chance as anybody, and
we've got help coming. Don't knowwhy it's not here yet. H It
looks like a politics is playing alot in it. People tell them what
they want to hear and what don'twant to hear. But don't know why
we can't get an accurate forecast.And our guys come back. There's a

(01:06:24):
timeframe from Tommy Johns and surgery.Don't know why we can't tell when our
guys are coming back. There areour kinkskin it and recess. But we're
telling stuff and just trying to coverourself and then we have to jump out
and make a last minute something thatis crazy. Uh. Low Praffito brought

(01:06:45):
a energy that no one else inthe league in years has brought. If
we can't resign Tucker, Low Perfitowould have made us forget Tucker and the
energy brings he saves us multiple runsevery game he gets on the field.
We have a revolving door in theoutfield because like all the other twenty nine
teams. We won't let somebody playuntil they until they are not doing their

(01:07:12):
job and we need to refill it. Instead of letting somebody play three games,
set three games, somebody play threegames. Dubon is one of the
best people in the world that cansit on the bench and come out and
play. Keratini Low Perfito, Cabbageand a couple of other young guys will
take some pitches and try to getus into the bullpen. Take one of

(01:07:34):
the team. Then we've got otherguys. And the reason where we're at
is our good guys are not performingup to where they are because they are
quote unquote a grassed And we'll letned in the first reader, get in
the sixth in and with fifty pitchesbecause we're popping up on the first pitch
and swinging at things in the dirt. We will not win nothing if our

(01:07:57):
two Bay and Alvarez don't perform.And again you go through your slumps.
But we got to have these guysto win, and if we would have
stood Tad, we had as gooda chance as anyone and we were secured
for the future. Terrible thanks,thanks, yeah, yeah, now it

(01:08:17):
makes some good points real quick.It's not the worst trade in baseball history,
that little hyperbolic, and I lovehis passion, and Low Perfiito's never
gonna make us forget about Kyle Tucker. Love his energy, but you're not
gonna forget about Kyle Tucker. KyleTucker is one of the top twenty players
in baseball, So I doubt we'regonna get that far. That's a tad

(01:08:39):
hyperbolic. Some of the great energy, and I would argue hitting over three
hundreds a pretty good season for Altuve. And I'm not worried one ounce about
Jordan Alvarez. So I think thinkwe're gonna be okay. Losing Low Perfito
sucks, but you're not gonna makeme forget about Kyle Tucker. Yeah,
I'll make you bet that Low Perfido'snever Kyle Tucker, even though I think
low Perfida is going to be areally good player in the league and I

(01:09:00):
love his energy. Nah, it'snot the worst trade in baseball history that
I do know. No, it'snot. It's none other than Larry and
Stafford early this morning. Larry,what's up man? Well, you knew
I had to get in earlier thismorning. After seeing that tragic ass event
went going over there on Crawford yesterday. I respect people, man that come

(01:09:21):
in and say their opinion about whatthey think about the trade and how you
know we needed an arm and allthat, But when you desperate, you
tend to do dumb ass stuff.Man. There's no way in hell that
Christina Yamagucci or Kucikuchi or whatever thehell his name is makes this team any
better, man, Because here's thething. If Verlander and all these guys

(01:09:45):
were gonna come back, or ifyou thought that this was gonna be an
issue down the line, when wewere out of first place about ten or
eleven games, why didn't you makea move for a big time player.
Then there's so many other things thatthey could have done earlier in this season
when they were sitting on here bankingon Lance Berkman, I mean Lance for
Colors and Garcia and Eacutie and allthese boys that come back and when the

(01:10:11):
wheels sell off that bus, DanaBrown should have been active back then.
And here's the scene. The eStrows are in first place, and if
we're sitting here talking about we aregiving up all of that for a fifth
starter. Who may not even beon the roster in September. How's that
dude gonna give us any kind ofbenefit other than just that he should eat

(01:10:31):
up any Well, I'll tell youhow, because in two months in September,
his ass is gonna be a freeagent once the season is over.
So you gave up control over allthese dudes that you have for five to
six years for a dude that you'rerenting for two months that has an EERA
of four point seventy five. Thisis some dumb ass stuff, man,

(01:10:53):
And this is why when we sitback and we watch what that management structure
have done over there with their brayyou signing and in this kind of trade
and stuff. This is why peopleare calling for Jeff Ludo to come back.
This is why James Click was whenhe was here. We had a
guy over there that we probably hadshould have kept because Click is up there
and in Blue in Blue Jay Country, ripping the asso is a new one.

(01:11:15):
Man. This is a bad deal, man, And I'm gonna tell
you straight up, as a diehard assho fan, I hope the dude
come here to do something. Buton the rather road with the hand that
I was deal real quick Sen thatDenico Autrey suspension. All that does is
just crank up the whole fireplace forJJ wat to get his ass back in
the eighth. Yeah, that wouldbe if JJ alls we needs about what

(01:11:41):
thirty snaps a game? That's it, That's all we need. Brian thirty
snaps a game, we can gethim. Yeah, why not? Huh
that'd be great. Yea hey yeah, Denico Autry was suspended six games for
ped use. Hey you know what, he had no idea what was on
the label? Yeah, that's whatthey all say. Huh. All right,

(01:12:01):
let's get to break. Man.We're gonna keep talking about it.
Sewn the phone lines, I don'tthink they're gonna stop all morning long.
People are upset Astros fans not feelingthe trade. Yesterday seven one three,
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on hold. We'll get to youguys next and we'll continue to take your
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go back out to the phone lines, Jonathan, welcome in. All right.
I appreciate you taking a call.I know everybody knows a lot more

(01:14:12):
about this stuff than I do.But Joey local Feedo or I don't know
how to pronounce his name, butthat guy, I would not have let
him go really under just about anycircumstances. I watched that thing I'm sure
most of the listeners did, wherethey talked about how that coach from Duke
saw him and asked his college coachesor his high school coach or whatever they

(01:14:33):
have good grades, and you know, I know he does and just did
that. Joey said that he wasan easy sell. He didn't even need
to go visit the university. Hewas just on board. That guy has
that kind of attitude and just everybodyin Houston I think loved him, and
I just think that they should nothave let him go period, because I

(01:14:53):
don't think Tucker's staying around. Andwhether Local Feto has the ability to be
Tucker remains to be seen, buthe's stally just it reminds me of Valtuve
in the beginning he went in.I think to Jim Crane personally and said,
you know, this ain't about themoney. I'm here to win championship.
And I just see that same energyand stuff in Lopa Fedo. I
wouldn't have let him go. Asfar as Dana Brown, I like him

(01:15:16):
overall, And maybe I'm making thisover simplistic, but I think that the
problem with the is he might begreat at analyzing talent, but I think
when it comes to the negotiating andclosing out the deal, they need like
somebody like a Scott Boris who isa negotiator to where they really like understand

(01:15:39):
like the caller said an hour agoabout if you're going to be in line,
you want to be in line withfour people, not fourteen. I
think that Astro has had too muchtalent to you know, in too much
consistency of making the postseason to wherethey should have locked somebody in before they
put themselves in a position and ofit's now or never. And I'm again,

(01:16:03):
I just I'm frustrated that Low Baffitoand Wagner excluding his dad, which
you know Calvin Bigo left and youknow with with you know, Craig,
but I don't know. I justI'm frustrated with Low Pafito and I just
think that guy. I mean,I've been following sports for a long time
and I can honestly say I lovethat guy. When you watch him,

(01:16:24):
his energy level and the way thatthey recruited him, it's Duke and all
it just he is to me seemedlike somebody that could be a franchise player
and at some point it wasn't goingto be about the money. And you
know it's like Al Tuvey spends hiswhole career here scott Ford represents now two
ve he could have got him moremoney probably somewhere else, but al Tuove

(01:16:44):
did the right thing in State,and I saw that same thing in local
Fito. That's it. Thank you, Jonathan. I was a good caller
when I said four for instead offourteen Brown. Did you like my call?
First time caller, longtime listener?Yeah, is good. Yeah,
I like that man. I thinka lot of people love. I think
the common theme here is low Braffido'senergy, right, bothers people that he

(01:17:06):
had to go. Do you likethe trade? Do I like the trade?
Uh? No, I don't.I don't. I just don't understand
how you gave up three players fora rental and Kakuchi. That's what bothers
me. If he had a yearof control, two years of control,
Yeah, I'd be okay with it, all right. It would make it
less sting less more, it wouldsting Yeah, it would sting less less.

(01:17:30):
Yeah. I think for me personally, I we always talk about this,
Sean on this show, production overpotential, right and when when now?
Mode figure out the rest later.However, in order to go get
Kakuchi, you had to give upJake Bloss. That that would take Jake

(01:17:51):
Bloss out of it. I'm I'mI don't care about that Joey Loprafiito and
Will Wagner were talented pieces in yourfarm system, in an already depleted farm
system, and to give up thosetwo now again ten years down the road,
they may just be average baseball players. But for a rental that's what
That's what drives me nuts. It'sthe rental part of it. If ten

(01:18:14):
for a guy that's gonna be likeyour fourth or fifth in the rotation.
Right, If ten years down theroad, low Pafito's the MVP, but
the Astros win a World Series andKokuchi's a main contributor to it this year,
I'm okay with it. Yeah,that's a big if, right,
but I'm okay with it. It'san if on both ways, one being
the MVP and one being a majorcontributor. And it's hard to win a
World Series. So we'll see.On the surface, I'll say it again,

(01:18:38):
looks tough, but yeah, it'sthat you didn't want to part with
that guy. So but wouldn't theyhave said what if they'd have parted with
Melton? People would have been besidethem. So you're gonna be it's gonna
hurt regardless. To get a picture. The question is was Kakuchi the priority.
We'll find out tomorrow. Let's uhwe got we got about a minute
and a half. Jen, Welcomein morning, guys. The question I

(01:19:01):
would ask Dana Brown tomorrow would beif, uh, you know, are
are you telling us the truth aboutour other starters coming back? Because I
mean, you you did something indesperation. Is uh Verlander coming back?

(01:19:26):
Uh? Is Garcia coming back atany point this year? I mean you
did something out of desperation, uhyesterday? Uh? And it's you know,
the question should be are these guyscoming back? Are any of them
coming back? Because like you said, if if the playoffs started today,
who would be your three starters?Uh, you know, going into the
playoffs, because basically you're using threestarters, it wouldn't be Kukushie wouldn't be

(01:19:53):
one of the one of the three. Uh. So I mean, I
just I don't understand that move.And I do believe that little Braffido is
going to be a superstar uh inthis league. Obviously it's gonna be in
Toronto. But that would be myquestion. Or were you I mean,
were you gas writing us and tellingus that these guys who were at some

(01:20:15):
point didn't come back during the theyou know, during the season, and
and now they're they're not, uhyou know Berlander, I mean, come
on and Nick originally ten day disabledlist the next next train, and now
I mean it's been what months,and so the question has to be asked
or any of these guys going tocome back. They will keep saying that

(01:20:39):
we're going to get him back.We're going to get him back, you
know, pitching. Obviously not tomake that kind of a move. Thank
you, Jim. We got toget to the top of the appreciate it.
Jin Uh. I think even Sean. I think, in my opinion,
as we get ready to get intothe eight o'clock hour, the Astros
needed an arm regardless. So Idon't think it's a move out of desperation.
They were going to try to goget an arm anyways. It's just
the fact that it's a rental.You gave up three players for it,

(01:21:00):
and I wonder where the priority waswith Kokuchie. I want to know there
they're big feelings on Kokuchi. Wasthis their target originally? I do want
to know that. And to answerJen's question, the first three starters today
would be Hunter Brown from Bravaldez andRenel Blanco. Would we the first three
you'd run out? If you're ifyou were playing in the playoffs today,
that would be your first three.So actually, Sean, we have some

(01:21:24):
audio of Dana Brown talking about thisdeal. He said they were working on
it for a while, so wecan hear that. Excuse me, we
can hear that audio as we startto eight o'clock hour seven one three two
one two five seven ninety. Isee everybody on hole. We're going to
get to you. I promise wewant to hear your reaction on this tray.
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in your calls and takes on.Seven one three, two two five,
seven ninety is the number to joinis Yu Say Kakuchi is now a Houston

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astro. Joey Loperfito, Jake Bloss, Will Wagner traded three pieces for a
rental seven one three two one twofive seven ninety. Man, Shawn,
I just you know, we're gettingtweets coming in left and right to us.
Calls went off the hook all morninglong. It's just people are pissed.

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People are not happy, and Iunderstand. I think when it first
came down and it was Bloss forKokuchi, I was like, all day,
every day, rental or not,the Bloss thing doesn't bother me one
bit. No. Then when theother two came down, it's like ooh,
low, praffito, and it gaveyou a little bit of it was

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uncomfortable, Like, man, we'repartner with him, but we knew Brian.
We've been saying one of the topthings that teams would inquire about was
him energy, power, bat plays, defense, can run. You know,
may strike out some, but inthis day and age of baseball,
people don't really pay much attention tothat. It's it's they just don't and

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he has got a he's got anability to he's pretty electric player. And
you thought, okay, you're buildingfor the future. And now let me
ask you this. If it's GarrettCrochet or if it's let mean, okay,
if it was Flairty but he hadbut he was not a rental,
would you have felt different. Ithink if it was you say, Kakuch

(01:24:03):
and he wasn't a rental, I'dbe okay with it. Okay. So
it's the rental part that bothers thehell out of it. Completely completely agrees
something, maybe even more than now. The low Braffito thing is is,
like I said, it's uncomfortable becauseyou wanted him here and you were seeing
people are also looking ahead saying,well, what if Kyle Tucker's not here,

(01:24:23):
then you get the double whemmy.Now no Low Praffito, no Kyle
Tucker if you don't sign him becauseyou thought, well, maybe that's the
replacement, right if it happens,and if not, then he plays the
other corner outfit. You can movehim anywhere or who the hell knows.
Even though Dana Brown City is anoutfit or maybe a first baseman, but
he can you know, he's proventhat he can play there, at least

(01:24:44):
at another level. So but whatif it had been I'm trying to think
if it's if it is a GarrettCruchet, Let's just use him as an
example. Okay, are you botheredat all today? Nope? No,
No, it's the way, andthat's part of a trade. It's the
other guy's rental, thirty three belowfive hundred career record. Yep, he's

(01:25:05):
not a free he's a back intoyour rotation starter. Yes, all those
things. Okay, let's take littleBerfito out. Let's say it's pedro Leone.
Just flip those two ones in theminers raking the others on the major
Let's say it's pedro Leone and thesin and the rest of the trades the

(01:25:27):
same for the same guy. Areyou saying the same thing? Well,
or give it away our future eventhough the guy's got no run at the
major league level. And yeah,that's just just just now, that's where
I get bothered. I'm actually botheredby the fact that pedro Leon has not
gotten an opportunity. Greg Kessinger hasbeen up on this club for months,
not doing a damn thing collecting checks, and pedri Leon has been raking in

(01:25:49):
trivilous right, So let's get tomore callers. I know, because so
does so? Does it? Doesit bother you? So? Is it
more the guy they traded or theguy they got? They got the gout
the guy the rental and the guythey got? So that's my point.
So if it's pedro Leone, maybedoes it hurt as much? I don't

(01:26:10):
know. Maybe it does because there'sstill a lot of people think he's got
superstar talent. But if it's anon rental and it's and and it's it's
pedro Leon or low Perfito, Mypoint is, is the perspective of low
Perfito being on a major league rosterand superstar would it shape your feelings anymore?
Now? When Dana Brown says they'vebeen working on this deal for a

(01:26:32):
while, that tells me the Kokushi'sKokuchi has been on their radar. What
are they seeing that the numbers don'ttell us? And why was it so
easy? If it was, Idon't say easy, but well they got
rid of him so in his firstyear up, So why was it so

(01:26:53):
easy? To pull the trigger fiveyears from now, Who are we going
to talk more about Kakuchi in aWorld series winning Houston or low Perfie and
an MVP or at all star outfielder. I don't know the answer. I'm
just posing these questions. So you'rethat that which everybody is. There's I
mean, emotions are running hay wireover this. So it's not barely the

(01:27:13):
low Perffito thing, while it bothershim, it's more the Kokuchi thing.
A rental thirty three year old,inconsistent below five hundred starter back into the
rotation feels like it doesn't even assureyou of a world you never assured,
but you feel like, okay,are they closer to a World Series in
your mind? No? Okay,then you hate the trade. There you

(01:27:36):
go, that's I'm not speaking foryou. If they're not close to the
World Series and the word, thenthe trade wasn't any good. I think
if if, if you're if you'reright about that. I just I feel
like, if he's good, heis a big piece for your rotation.
But I still think they need anotherarm, and they need another bullpen and

(01:27:59):
and John I'm assuming John Singleton isyour first basement for the rest of the
year, which he's been good butor he's been productive at times, good
defense, but he you know,we were told they might try to try
to go get a bat too.Do I think they're close to the World
Series? No, okay, theygot to see you back in Justin Verlander.
Okay, maybe if they go getanother arm Let's say he's a number
three starter somewhere, what are theygoing to part with them? Yeah,

(01:28:23):
that's that's because Dana Brown said tothe media last night that you know,
they they might not be done.Okay, what are you gonna give up
now? Right? And if it'sto somebody who's better than the numbers,
are better than Kakucha, are stilla closer to the frame middle rotation guy
or a number three starter? Nowwhat now? What are you giving up?
Yeah? So yeah, just justbrace yourself in case. That's all

(01:28:47):
I'm saying. That deadline is todayat five o'clocks. There's still times seven
one, three, two, two, five, seven ninety in order of
longest. Wait. We'll talk toDaniel first. Daniel, what's happening?
Hey, good morning, guys,long time, first time. That's how
bad this trade is. I justwanted to say, you know a lot

(01:29:08):
of people around here on social mediatalking about Joey Lo braffdo how great he's
gonna be. I mean, he'sgonna be a good player, but he's
not gonna be a world beater.He's not the next coming of Kyle Tucker.
The only thing that really bothers meas a fan is Dana Brown coming
on these airways talking to the mediahow important building the farm system is.

(01:29:30):
You know, he's talking about,oh, we're going to assess the farm
system when we're making these trades,and then you trade three of your top
fifteen prospects for like everyone is saying, a rental. So after a certain
point, you know, some thingsneed to be answered. Who was actually
making these calls? Is it reallyDana Brown or is it somebody else?

(01:29:50):
And to today's point, I don'tknow what else they can do to make,
you know, to make the teambetter. I don't know what else
they're gonna have to give up,but it'll be just really interesting to see.
Thank you for taking my taking mycall, and I hope you that's
a great day. Appreciated, Daniel, And we got time for one more.
Let's go to Charlie, Charlie,what's happening? Hey, what's up?

(01:30:13):
Guys? Hey, I'm out ofSan Antonio, A first time caller.
I've been Astros friends until the kidmy mom used to listen to the
radio in the middle of nowhere.But anyway, I think I think the
reddal thing is kind of overblown andI'm mistaken or aren't we getting a couple
of arms back later this year ornext year from these guys that are hurt

(01:30:35):
Justin Erlander, at some point we'llbe back. And same with Luis Garcia
and Kiti No No or Katie hadTommy John Soda, Christian Xavier and the
Lance McCullers was completely shut down,so he is probably done for the year
as well. Yeah, so Isounds like it's a little bit of a
it's overreacting a little. Maybe it'sjust me. What what what makes you?

(01:30:58):
Let me ask you, Charlie,what makes uh and say rental?
So what makes you Why do youthink it's an overreaction? Like why do
you feel like people are overreacting whenthey say it's, you know, just
for a rental? Uh? SoI think again it kind of goes back
to to to just you know,shooting for this year. Uh right,
but to get him in this ifthey don't world if they if they don't

(01:31:21):
win a World Series, was therental thing over play? Yeah, yeah,
exactly, I agree. I wouldagree at that point it's overplayed.
But I mean, you get himin this year, it gives them a
little bit better chance if you're notgetting all the arms back. Uh.
Another decent starter. He may notbe great, but again, I like
some one said earlier, he hewasn't in the greatest situation in the world

(01:31:43):
where he was, So I thinkhe's an upgrade in pitching and I believe
I know, you know, uhthe hell of the name is, I
can't bring it up right now,but he uh, I know, he's
a fan favorite and everything be replacedin the off season. Yeah, I
think he can be replaced in theoff season, and uh, you know,
they could reload it in the offseasons for people like that. So

(01:32:05):
anyway, that's my thoughts on it. And uh, I mean as far
as the rental bang, I thinkthat the guy's coming back are going to
be able to replace to replace theguy that go. So yeah, it's
my thoughts on it. Thank youfor the call. Charlie out in San
Antonio. Listen to us on thefree iHeartRadio app. Uh. You know,
Sean, I've been thinking about this, this Joey Loperfiedo situation, because

(01:32:28):
it seems like everybody that is upsetwith this trade, it all goes back
to Joey loperfied And I think oneof the things that we do as fans
is we become an amored with someof these prospects to be they become uh
fan favorites. Joey Loperfedo was rakingin Triple A, hitting bomb after bomb
after bond, and what was goingon up at the big league level.
Well, Jose Bray you was strugglinghis ass off. Couldn't hit water if

(01:32:51):
you fell out a boat. Yethe was continuing to get run out of
first place, a run at atfirst base. Then what do we hear,
Sean. We talked about it somany different times. Oh, Joey
Loperfido could play first base. He'sraking down in Triple A. Yeah,
the strikeouts are a little high,but he could probably fix that. At
the big league level. He canplay first base. Oh, bring him
up. And then what does hedo? He continues to rake a triple

(01:33:13):
A. He gets more fandom,more fan favorite. He finally gets brought
up, Jose Abrahu gets sent downto wherever he went. Then he gets
DF eight. Oh that makes roomfor John Singleton and let's see if Joey
Loperfido can get himself some time atfirst base. Kyle Tucker gets hurt.
Oh my gosh, Joey Loperfdo.Now you're in the outfield right. That's
why I think we have all fallenin love with Joey Loperfdo when in reality,

(01:33:38):
is he gonna be that next superstar? Like? Do do we really
think he's gonna be that next Dowe really think he's gonna be a Kyle
Tucker? Oh? I think somepeople do. I'm not there yet.
I think it's premature for us tothink that. I mean, I love
his energy and his skill set,but we got to see more. And
the truth is he hasn't been aneveryday player still because the the you know

(01:33:59):
what I'm saying, Yeah, Imean, you get Myers and McCormick.
There's been platoon because of all thenumbers in the outfield. It's just I
think people, Hell, I thinkif you asked right now, would people
rather see low Berfito or Myers go? They would have said Myers and Myers
is having a better year. Correct, Yeah, I mean, I mean,
I know that rhetorical, but Imean low Perfito hasn't been the like

(01:34:20):
I said, you get de Bondsometime in the outfield, sometime in the
infield, Myers McCormick. You've seenwho else out there? Cabbage just played
in the outfield. We obviously knowthe Meyers of the Myers McCormick things.
We mentioned my point. You mentionedall that energy. He's at different positions,
but we haven't locked him into onewhere he's getting forward bats every single
day all the time. Correct.So because of the surplus of outfielders,

(01:34:42):
you know what I mean. So, now that they've cleared it out,
guys are going to get more run. But are the right guys getting run?
I think that's what bothers people.They love the potential, which and
we've seen flashes of the brilliance ofhim, but it's obviously premature to put
him in Kyle Tucker's category. Wegot to stop that right now too much.
It's not fair to him either.But I do like the early returns
of what I see. But nowyou're going to see him in another uniform,

(01:35:04):
which sucks, and it's World Seriesor the trade didn't work. It's
that simple. It just is,Brian, it just is. It comes
down to that, if they don'twin a World Series on a rental,
you're telling me you believe you're aWorld Series team and this is a missing
piece. That's what that tells you. If you're willing to part with low
Perfido because it was a high pricedstag to pay for for a rental,

(01:35:25):
if you do not win the WorldSeries, this trade did not work out.
Pretty simple. Yeah, Yeah,it's simple. Seven one, three,
two, five, seven to ninetyis the number to join. Still,
got plenty of calls to get totaking your thoughts and reactions to the
trade of Joey Low Perfido, JakeBloss and Will Wagner for you say Kokuchi.

(01:35:45):
Also, we got to get tothe Dane Brown audio. He talked
about, uh, the deal forKokuchi and how they've been working on it
for quote unquote a while. What'sthat about? That's next. The Jong
Salisbury Show continues. Get out tothe phone lines. Brandon, good morning,
good morning, how are you guys. We're good. Brandon, what's
on your mind with the trade?Hey? By koochie, uh huh?

(01:36:11):
I like it? You like it? Yep? Okay. You think he's
gonna be the piece to get themto a world series? Yep? I
love the optimism, Brandon, Yougot any other thoughts before? We got
a lot of people trying to getin. That's it. You guys,
have a good morning. Thank youBrandon, you as well. Let's keep
it going seven one three two onetwo five seven ninety Sharon, thank you

(01:36:35):
for holding good morning, Good morning, guys, thanks for letting the fans
have a voice. I'm very disappointed, extremely disappointed, and for me,
it's all about losing Joey. Ithink the trade is I think it's stupid

(01:36:55):
that we have a rental and somebodythat's not more solid. But I agree
with your caller earlier. Joey Loperfiedoreminds me of a young all Toov and
our team has been through a lot. They've been through a whole lot.
They needed some momentum, they neededa spark, and Joey brought it in
and the fans were very attached tohim because we see that he's like a

(01:37:20):
young all too v and to me, he's a rare gem and I just
think it's ludicrous and I feel likemanagement is not in touch with the fans,
and I, you know, here'sa good reason for me to start
watching the Blue Jays now they youknow, I like Springer, So I'm

(01:37:41):
just extremely disappointed. And I thinkthere could have been a lot of other
people we could have traded other thanJoey. I think he's a lot more
important to this team. Our teamneeds the momentum. We need somebody to
get out there because we've been througha lot, and I think he has
way in and invested a lot morethan people realize. So I still love

(01:38:04):
my team, but I'm just extremelydisappointed. And thanks for the opportunity to
share my voice, y'all. Havea good day you as well. Sharon,
thank you. Let's talk to Todd. Todd, how do you feel
about the Astros trade? Not asthat is a lot of people are apparently.
I mean, I know we gaveup a lot, it feels that

(01:38:27):
way anyways, but some things weneed to remember. If we're really going
to look at this a little morelogically with less emotion, I guess I
should say low grafdo very dynamic,lots of potential, very athletic. But
you know, if you really lookat the numbers and look at his problems
the strikeouts, they're not going away, and he's twenty five years old.

(01:38:49):
The odd of them improving a wholelot are not great. He's most likely,
if we're really going to be realistic, a fourth outfielder, and and
you know, and Will Wagner.You know, he's got some tools to
his best position, to second base. We have second base sewed up for
at least what four more years,probably not going to get a lot of

(01:39:11):
playing time. The biggest losses isbloss just because we don't know what he
could bring us. He's a young, controllable pitcher. Now it's not to
say that they don't all have valuebecause they're controllable for years, right,
But if we really feel like we'regoing to do something this year, we
needed to get pitching, period,and Kakuchi may not be an ace,
but he does have ace stuff.And if they think he's something someone that

(01:39:34):
they can improve on like they didwith Morton and some of these other guys,
and they have wanted him for awhile, then it's a good deal
for what we need this year.And yes it might suck later on,
but that's later on. I mean, we we still feel like the windows
open. We're in first place.We haven't played great, but we still

(01:39:56):
have a chance to do something thisyear. And if we didn't get pitching,
I think people would be more upset. So we can't have it both
ways. Either we needed some helpthis year for pitching or we didn't,
and I think all of us agreethat we do, and probably a little
bit more. Still, you know, let's just give them some time to
keep cooking and see what happens.You know, we we've next year's next

(01:40:21):
year, the years after that arethe years after that. We've we've got
time to work on those issues.But we needed something now, so I'm
you know, it's a lot,but I mean, pitches are expensive.
They just are if you look atsome of these other trades that are going
on right now. So anyways,thank you, thank you Todd. Yeah,
Sean, let always got to paymore. Yeah, I was gonna

(01:40:43):
say more. And when it comesto pitching, you gotta let him cook.
Brian, you're not willing to dothat, though, I am.
You don't let people the only personyou've ever let cook is Russ Wilson.
Yeah, you gotta let Russ cook. You gotta let Nick Serio cook.
You gotta let Dana Brown cook,and rafel Stone over for the rockets.
Yeah, but you don't let younot let him cook and then after,

(01:41:03):
you know, after they cook,let him get in there, show up
and show out. Baby, Lethim cook, dog do it? Always
is? It always is to geta picture. Oh what are you laugh
at at? Nothing? Yeah,to get a picture. That's what I've
met. Yeah, right right,right, of course. Yeah, I'm

(01:41:25):
just trying to I'm trying to convinceyou to let him cook. I'll tell
you what. There's some people thatare really down about this trade. Yeah.
Well, you know when one phoneline, you know, when we
conclude one call, another call isin. We got six more on the
horn right now, Patrick Tyler orEsto, Kevin Casey ten. We see
there. We're ready to roll.Baby. I love them all, man,
I love our path and I lovethe very I mean, we got

(01:41:46):
one who likes it. You know, you get one who's like caught in
between, you'll get a bunch thatcan't stand it. I mean, that's
why I love it. It hitspeople different. It really does. It
really does. And you refuse tolet him cook, and so it hits
you different too. Joey low Perffitowas just a fan favorite from what I'm
gathering from our calls this morning.Man, Well, a fan favorit because

(01:42:10):
he's a good player and they lovedI think the energy is a great way
to describe him. Yeah, asidefrom he's talented. Of course, he's
talented. So like I said tome, if you don't win a World
Series, this trade did not work. Yeah. And also when you go
get a rental for that price,but you're gonna pay more for pitching.
You always are. Also, I'mgonna be a little tongue in cheek with
this whole thing, but uh,I love the tribute videos to Joey low

(01:42:31):
Perfito as if he just passed away, when he literally just got traded to
Toronto. Yeah, we'll miss you, Joey. We will never forget you.
Bro. He's gonna be in theleague. Like he's just going north
of the border. He's not deadthe broom. Yeah, I'll tell you

(01:42:51):
what you refuse to do when hewas here though, let him cook?
Yeah, you never liketfet as nowin Toronto, Blue Jay, it does,
it does? It doesn't hit thesame now, man, he's not
an astro. Yeah, he andSpring are in the same outfield. Oh
oh, tough, yep, tough. Wow, we're gotta win a world

(01:43:16):
series. If you want to validatethis trade, you have to when you
get a rental. Yeah, there'sno question about it. You put extra
pressure on yourself. You just didye make this deal? Sure? Sure
do? Seven one, three,five, seven ninety. Everybody on hold
will get to you. How areyou feeling about the trade. I know
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Tyler, Hellyo, morning, guys. What's happening? You're on air?

(01:45:29):
So I just want to stop thenotion that Joey lo Berfdo is some
superstar. He's got a six stepsand you cannot hit a back foot slider
or a high fastball ninety five.Trey Tavage is basically almost the exact same
player. Yes, it was anoverpay, no doubt, But the notion
that Joey's gonna be a game changer, I just don't buy it. He'll

(01:45:53):
be a fourth outfielder and a JoeyGallows tight for the rest of his career.
He's a good player, a goodguy. I know he's a fan
favorite, but Kyle Tucker for Cacucci, who could end up being a Charlie
Morton type of guy. Good stuffjust needs some rework. I think we
need to pump the brakes. LetDana Cook like you said, and if

(01:46:15):
it works out, awesome. Ifnot, I'm sure Daniel will be gone
in two years or whoever is pullingthe strings. If it's bag well,
but I think the notion that wegot just absolutely messed up by this trade
is a little bit outrageous, andI think that we should just relax and
see how it plays out before wecome to judge. Thank you, Thank
you, Tyler, and uh,let's keep it going. Start to Kevin,

(01:46:40):
Kevin, what's up, good boy? And fellas you're doing fantastic brother.
How do you feeling about this trade? Man? I think as much
to do about nothing, to behonest. I mean I heard the lady
earlier comparing No Praffito to l two. They like, come on, man,
easy now. You know, hey, Kevin, you know what's you
know, what's I don't know,if it's crazy, funny, however you
want to word it. But she'sthe third person that has said that today.

(01:47:04):
Yeah, well, they're all idiots. You can't compare these young kids
coming up to Hall of famers.You know, that's not even doing that
kid justice. Now, if heturns out to be a great player,
cool for him, but to comparehim or even say that he's on the
level with an El Tuve, like, come on, that's crazy. I
mean, I'm knock any guys liketwo million baseball or in sports period.

(01:47:27):
And of course everybody's gonna love morePerfido because he's the backup quarterback. He's
the guy that has really no expectationand if he comes in and frontswell,
he's back trivily. I had toput him on U. I had to
put him on hold that. Solet's try that again, Kevin, you
there, yeah, I'm here.Yeah, your connection is better. Yeah,

(01:47:47):
go ahead. I got about twentyfive seconds for you man to finish
your point. Yeah, yeah,no problem. And so you know,
he's a guy like that's a backupquarterback. Man. If he comes in
and he knocks it out the park, cool, If he not get out
the park, you think that they'regonna say, hey man, he's a
double A triple A guy whatever.You know, So let's move on to
the next guy. But I agreewith the last guy, you know,

(01:48:08):
because that was gonna be my pointthat he's Tray Gabbage at the best.
And you know, if you gotthat guy, then cool. When I
first saw Toronto come up, Iwas thinking, oh, man, cool,
we went and got Springer back.We can throw him over at first
base and that'll kill that, youknow, temptation or whatever. But you
know, man, it is whatit is. You're gonna overpay for pitching

(01:48:29):
in baseball, and it's it's likeoverpaying for in certain positions of other sports.
Man. But you know, ifthey make it to a World Series,
all that forgiven. And last pointin this city, in the city
of Houston, being an African AmericanGM, I know nobody wants to talk
about that. People are gonna hateanything they going to do. Some people
are regardless, man, So youknow, kudos to him. I hope

(01:48:50):
it works out for him. Thankyou, Kevin, appreciate your insight.
Let's say, take one more callbefore we get too breakts go to John
John, what's going on? Damnman? Really? Race? Come on,
man, it ain't got nothing todo with the man being black,
brown, green, purple an Look, people, it ain't favoritism. It's

(01:49:12):
a business. Did they overpay.Yes, you're not going to get a
starting left handed picture for cheap.You weren't gonna give up a Myers and
a prospector or a McCormick and aprospect. We have too many outfielders.
Joey was struggling. Did everybody likehim? Yeah, okay, but you

(01:49:35):
know everybody just needs to relax.But guy, come on, man,
don't don't play the race card.It ain't got nothing to do with that
man. People not liking him.It's the decision we had to go get
a starting picture. Letter Maun,Thank you, John Man, John Nice,

(01:49:56):
and Chris Bus and Chris j Yeah, we've got time for one more.
Chris. Yeah. Let's see howTim's feeling about the trade. Tim,
thanks for holding Good morning. Goodmorning guys. The first reaction was
really negative just because of the tripley. That connection is a little rough on

(01:50:20):
that side. Let's go to ShayShay, Good morning, Moran, Jair.
What's up, Brian? Miss thesoftball days with you. I think
some people are out thinking this alittle bit. Would you rather have bloss
and Yankee Stadium in the playoffs orforgive me for mis Brount's name, Kakuchi
in the playoffs against the Yankees asa starter. Who would you rather have?

(01:50:41):
I'd rather have Kokuchi Blost. TheBlost thing didn't do anything for me.
I didn't care exactly. Hey,I didn't really care. Well what
the GM did? He made aplayoff move. You know, Scocci's in
the Blue Jays, so he pitchesget the Yankees all the time in Yankee
Stadium. So he's thinking like,hey, we're gonna probably have to beat
the Yankees to get to the WorldSeries. Hey, I'd rather have this

(01:51:03):
guy who faces all those cats inthat pressure filled environment. Hey, I
want him as my back end starterbecause I need one win. If gets
this one win against Yankees, thisdeal was worth it. Thank you appreciated.
Shay missed those softball days too,Brother, getting old, Sean can't
play off anymore. Well you gota week back? About a week back?

(01:51:26):
When'd you get it? About aweek back? It's all behind,
you know, come on now,it's it's uh, it's it's pretty funny
man to uh, you know,our guy need Bill John right he uh,
Johnny gets after John John was tellingpeople to relax when anytime Seth Martinez
comes in the game, John freaksout on Twitter. Oh yeah, that's

(01:51:46):
not his face. Donald never wantshe said Martinez again, John John,
he's got a two and a halfr A Johnny had one bad outing.
I don't care shouting gets fired up. Oh today, but we had some
really good I mean I love theI mean we have the range of emotions

(01:52:09):
on this trade is off the hisI love. I'm enjoyed. I told
you I was gonna get my coffeeto sit back and listen, go and
and I'm loving every bit of it. One one. We got some that
are ready to quit. We gotothers that are fired up about the trade.
We got others that well, thatare that are that are It feels

(01:52:32):
like, well, like you said, bright, like are we going to
it's not a funeral. It feelslike we got some that are pumped up,
some that are pissed beyond beliefs,some that want to fight, some
that think it's a good trade.I mean, it's just I I love
that. The passion and the rangeof emotions is there has been awesome all
morning. Man. I love it. Yeah. So let me let me

(01:52:54):
refill this cup because my cup isfull for you today. My heart is
full. My cup is full.But I can tell you this, Dana,
you and me tomorrow, faint ofheart need not apply. We'll go
it all in. Brother. Ican tell you that it's gonna be fun.
That's it's gonna be a fun,fun nine thirty interview tomorrow. Yeah,

(01:53:14):
we will have ask assure you.We'll have Astros general manager Dana Brown
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called it every time, Shine onthis man is why can't people just be
consistent? Shine? And it ismy point. So I mean it's we

(01:55:10):
know it's talk radio and everything opinion, but you know, you want to
base opinion on some kind of tangiblefacts. Fact number one, Shine,
if the Astros didn't get a startingpicture, they are not going to the
World Series. And people and youthink they're talking bad about Brown, Now

(01:55:33):
let him not make a move andsee what it would have happened you.
I mean, if people want tosay he gives were not in the room,
Shine, we don't know. Everybody'strying to get a picture, So
maybe you have to give up morethan you really want to. That's what
it looked like when I seen thePrescollin Brown was saying, hey man,
there was some other deals they wantedeven more. And so he's like,

(01:55:56):
well this I felt like this wasthe best one I could do, and
we need Yeah, biscuit, whatabout this? You know it's something we
don't ever we always put it onone guy, right, and yet we
do. We also in this cityfeel like Bagwell has a lot of insight,
right, or when I say insight, a lot of pull in the
building. Right. We hear thatall the time, right, remember the

(01:56:16):
all the time. So we wantto put it on Dana Brown when this
happens, but we don't want to. We want to put it on Bagwell
with the other stuff. You getwhat I'm saying, there's more than one
voice. Yeah, But but withthis, here's what I think. If
there if and I'm just throwing thisout there, I don't know the answer
to this. Maybe you can helpme, right, Two do we how

(01:56:40):
do we know the entire building feltthe same way about Joey Loperfito as you
do or they You don't you getmy point? What if Dana said,
hey, we got to part withJoey Loperfito and Jim Crane and Bagwell and
joe a spot all said for whoucci do it? How do I mean?
I don't believe that he locked himselfinto a room and made this decision

(01:57:01):
alone, even though he's the GMand he should be making the final decision
with his owner. But my thing, I don't you know what I'm saying,
I don't know the the general thatthe we know that what we had
the perceived packing order is. Butmy thing is, I don't think you
pull that trigger and say, hey, guys, oh, by the way,
guess what I just did. Thereare there's communication and and we got

(01:57:21):
say you didn't need an arm?Did it hurt on the surface about low
Perfido. Sure, but you thinkabout postseason if they don't go to a
World Series and Kakuchi stucks and andthe other three guys turn out pretty good,
decent ballplayers, and you're gonna belike, damn that we got place
to me. If they don't goto the World Series on a rental,

(01:57:42):
then then you went all in andit didn't work, and let the criticism
begin. But we got to seehow it plays out, because you did
need an arm And I know thelove for low Perfiito. I love him
too, but I don't think thiswas a one man you said, Oh,
by the way, I traded lowPerfito. I gotta believe other voices
were heard. That's just me.Maybe I'm crazy biscuit. Well, Sean,

(01:58:03):
you're trying to reason, you knowwhat I mean. Some people just
say, don't have no reason inthe name. You you thinking reasonably?
And my thing that this is mylast point, Sean, And you said
it earlier. If we don't winthe World Series, then it's a it's
a failed trade. So in otherwords, you saying World Series of Bus,

(01:58:26):
well, we'll have World Series ofBus anyway, So you can rat
me with twenty six and twenty sevenand twenty eight. No, we're trying
to win this year. And that'swhat I don't care about twenty twenty eight.
I've said it all time. Idon't hear. Don't cean flip about
twenty eight. Sean is twenty fourright right? We win a series of
bus if I twenty I'm with you. Put a ring on the finger.

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It's a failure, simple, That'show the sea is. They've built that.
Whether we made the trade or not, it still was been a failure.
Amen. Amen, Yeah, thanksfor the call, brother. Yeah,
and Brian, I know you thinkthe same way, right, Brian,
you always have that for me.Listen, I'll deal with twenty twenty
nine in twenty twenty eight, Okay. I'm not worried about it. I've

(01:59:11):
missed out. I've never have.I'm not worried about the Texans draft in
twenty twenty seven, are you,Brian? No, I'm not, And
I'm not worried about twenty seven freeagents have I'm not worried about anything.
I'm worried about three years from nowgetting CJ. Stroud sewed up for eight
billion years and they take care ofright now because now they've put themselves in
super Bowl position. The Astros havebeen in it. Playoffs are not good

(01:59:33):
enough. The Astros have created this, and it's a it's a great thing
because they're just every year we expectthem to be there. They've created the
playoffs isn't good enough. That's forother teams that are just kind of sometimes
there and right hell, you couldeven say the Yankees right now they're no
longer I mean the World Series orbust that. They haven't sniffed that in
a while. So the Astros area step ahead of them. So getting

(01:59:56):
into the plus or certain teams,you're like, damn, if the Miami
Marlin got into the playoffs, that'sa win. It's not a win for
the Astros just to get to theplayoffs. It's the start of something big.
That's not good enough. So Kakuchino Kokuchi, three other pitchers,
low Perfito, no low Perfito.If you don't win a World Series,
it's it's a it's a it's notit's not the success that you wanted.
It's not the end result. Andthat in Astro's eyes, I don't failure

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may be harsh, but that's theway it feels. And if they don't
make it with Kakuchi in the trade. The trade was not a good trade.
It's simple. You went all inon a rental and it has to
happen. Now. If it doesn't, it's then we can judge failed trade.
I don't know if it's gonna bea failed trade. If they won
the World Series, we're all gonnabe happy as a pig and crap man,
we're gonna, you know, likea as a clam dude. We're

(02:00:42):
gonna be excited to sell. Butright now, uh, all the emotion's
great because that's what makes sports awesome. But we'll see. But if they
don't win a World Series, thisis not a successful season. Successful individual
parts and moments, yes, butthe Astros are now the Kansas City Chiefs
are now. The Chiefs are likein Patriots, where there they will expect

(02:01:03):
to win it. This is whothe Astros are now. Every year the
playoffs aren't good enough the playoffs,you fell short for some get into the
playoffs is a huge victory for theAstros. It ends up being a non
successful season. Other than individuals andparts, the overall some of it is
not successful in if they don't winit with a with a rental trade,

(02:01:26):
it will be considered a failure ofa trade because it's a rental period,
and then the rest will happen fromthere. That's That's as simple as it
gets. If you don't win theWorld Series after this, you put a
lot of pressure. But there's alwayspressure on the Astros. Seven straight years
of them believing they're the best teamin baseball, and it ain't no reason
why they don't think that. Inthe eighth that's why they made the trade.

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talking about this as Astros trade ofJoey Loperffido, Jake Bloss and Will Wagner.

(02:02:55):
For you, say Kakuchi. It'sbeen the top of all morning long.
Keep it going, stalk to orstoo. Good morning, Hey, good
morning gentlemen. Hey. You knowwhat last night when I heard the news
that they had traded Joey and uhWagner up man, almost threw my phone

(02:03:15):
at the TV. But uh,now that I slept on it and think
about it, you know, Iagree with a lot of the callers that
you know, we need some pitching. We need to uh have a stronger,
uh a stronger starting pitching lineup.So I agree with it now,

(02:03:36):
and you know now it gives it, uh the Astros a chance to hopefully
bring up Dailey owned that's been overthere raking it in the minors. And
you know, I that's not whenI heard the news that Lucrafido was the
main guy out of all the three, obviously, I asked myself, man,

(02:03:56):
why didn't they why didn't they tradeMcCormick, you know, instead of
a toffedo. But now it reallydoesn't matter. We needed pitching and I'm
good with it now. So Ihope that everybody can understand that without the
pitching, we're not going to govery far in the playoffs. So that's
all for me. Man, you'llhave a big day. Thank you.

(02:04:18):
An Let's talk to Chuck. Chuck. We appreciate you holding. Good morning,
Thank you very much. I havetwo thoughts. One, I believe
Dana Brown and Spotto would have spokento like Bregmant and Altuve and said,
which one of these Reynolds do youthink will be most effective, the toughest

(02:04:39):
to hit? And then number two, I don't think this trade matters at
all. If hater is going tokeep belonging games in the ninth then presently
in the eighth. Well, gettingin the world serious, that's the biggest
hurdle. Hi, Thank you,Chuck. Let's go to Lewis. Lewis,
good morning, Yeah, good morning, guys. You're doing good man.

(02:05:00):
I think, yeah, Well,let me tell you something. I
think I believe the criticism to Danais one hundred percent. Okay, let
me tell you something. When andI'm gonna tell you this question to you,
guys, when was the first timethat you talk about the possibility to
bring Bauer to Houston? How desperatehave to be a team to even consider

(02:05:25):
Bauer's a possibility that was back upon and no, maybe two months ago.
So what I'm really upset is thatit's not that they overpaid, but
they were paid probably for the guythat nothing they want, but the one
that was left. That's the onlypart we knew that this team had a
problem pitching a long time ago.If you have a kid in high school

(02:05:48):
and you're tell him if you're gonnaask a girl for a problem, if
you're gonna wait for the last beanto ask, she's not gonna be the
best one. I'm gonna have alisten, all right, guys. That's
not a bad point about a lotof times the one you the star of
the show or the the catch ofthe prom is asked early. I get

(02:06:11):
that, And I can't wait tilltomorrow when we're talking to Dana when if
they've been at this and I thinkyou have some sound, Brian that you
said and Tripley has some sound.They talked about how they've been doing this
for a while. I'd like tohear that they've been doing they've they've been
working this deal for a while.But I want to go back to two
callers ago. Would you have thoughtat the beginning of this season, with

(02:06:33):
all that's gone on and now withthe injuries to the pitching staff and Tucker,
would you have thought that there's achance at the weak link is the
ninth hole guy the closer? Aboutthis for a second, we are there's
part of the elephant in the roomright now. It's that he made a
great point. You know, we'renot even talking about last night they lose

(02:06:56):
to Pittsburgh and all and how theylost, and we opened the show that
but the trade lines obviously got everybody'semotion, and rightfully so. But I
want you to think when we madethis deal, when when they pulled this
off. While some said, well, you know over, you know what,
we paid him that much money,all those things, but if I
would have told you at the beginningof spring training, then in August,

(02:07:18):
the concern could very well be canwe get a closer to be lights out
the game over in the ninth inning? In Josh Hater, you I find
have said he's not going to bethat guy right now. You just said,
Sean, we both would have.And now we're sitting here and there

(02:07:39):
is no way on God's screen earththat you can tell me that you're not
in a when it gets to aleverage situation, that you're not a little
nervous on the back end. Rightnow with him, I'm talking about to
close out a game to win agame. And I would have never thought
that back in spring training. No, no, not at all, because
that was the best on paper seventynine in the league. And we're not

(02:08:00):
even talking about it very much,dude, that Josh Hater could be one
of the weaknesses at the back endif in the postseason. Yeah, and
we but we've seen enough of itto make you a little bit that you're
uncomfortable. I know, high level. It's uncomfortable because there's going to be
stressful innings. I'm just telling youthere is. And I would have never

(02:08:24):
thought it would be a regular basiswith him. And we are there as
a complete, valid point by thecaller two callers ago. Complete and you,
uh, yeah, So that DanaBrown audio from last night he spoke
about the deal for getting USA Kakuchin. He said that they were working on
this deal for a while. Thisis Dana Brown. Yeah, I mean
we were engaged, you know,early on. You know, one of

(02:08:48):
the things we did early on iswe started to rank the top starters that
were available, and right away wegot going conversations. You know, it
was definitely more than a week,definitely more than ten days. We just
you know, like I said,we had those names and targets and we
started, you know, calling eachteam and trying to get something done and

(02:09:11):
having conversations and it's a lot ofback and forth before you know, you
can get a deal done like this. So but we started, you know,
longer than a week ago. That'sDana Brown. So they've been working
on it for over a week now. So what you're telling me, because
over a week ago, every starterthat was wanted was still available, right

(02:09:35):
yep. For the most part thatI'm talking about that it was talked about
being part of a trade from someteam. So this was the one.
Now, the other side of itis if he was your number one considering
what you'd have to give up ifyou were going at meaning number one priority
meaning Kakuchie for the ass was ifit was somebody else, maybe the asking

(02:09:56):
price was just so enormous they gotoff some other trade. But if it
was more than ten days that youwere working on it, what cloth That's
what I want to know too.What was the final what closed out?
What? What completed the deal?Was it that you had to add Wagner?
Was it that you had to addLo Brafito or was it that you
Where was the okay? If we'reworking on it for ten days, what

(02:10:20):
was the deciding factor and pulling thetrigger for either side? Because obviously if
they went after Kakuchi, it feltlike Toronto may have been the one saying,
you know, they're trying to piecetogether, well we want that guy.
Well no, no, no,not that guy. Well what about
this? And go back and forth. But if it was ten days,
it tells me that Kakuchi was apriority for the Astros. So maybe not

(02:10:41):
even that they gave up too muchwas maybe people are also bothered aside from
the rental, is is this theguy to get you over the top.
That's a question that needs that I'mgoing to ask him. Did did they
feel that this is the guy?And he's been in Poe's he's been in
big games, pitching there's no doubt, but is this the guy that you

(02:11:03):
expect to be And maybe they don'tlook at him as a fifth starter.
I don't think you give up thatmuch on a rental if you think Kuchi's
a fifth starter. Now we maythink it, but what makes them think
he's a a one two, likea top three rotation guy heading into the
postseason if they get there. I'manxious to hear a lot about this because

(02:11:24):
there's a lot of layers to it, Brian. And if it was,
if it wasn't a knee jerk decisionat the end, it was ten days
plus, this is the they thenthat's they had him. This is premeditated
targeting Kokuchi to be a part ofthis team. Correct. Yeah, So
if it's ten days you've been you'vebeen doing. This is a methodical approach,

(02:11:45):
not a not a desperate approach fromtheir point of view. Can't wait
to talk to him and find outtomorrow nine thirty. Yeah, to keep
it rolling seven one, three,two two five, seven ninety as we
get to break talking about the yousay Kokuchi trade? Can the Astros get
him back on track? He struggleda bit this season. Joe Spot spoke
about that. We'll hear that audioand also continue to take your phone calls

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got a pair of respects. We'regonna miss Joey. He's not dead,
dude, I know he sids.Okay, he's still playing. He sure

(02:14:43):
is. There's no no, Ican't do it anymore. Are your feelings
hurt? Yeah? Either kind ofare huh huh? I get its ruined
my day? Did it? Didit? I mean? Did it?
No? Tru Okay, No.A lot of fans are upset, though
I know that's seven one to threetheir emotion, man, I do.

(02:15:07):
Yeah. Let's let's get to Andyand then we'll get the dose echis Andy.
Good morning, My goodness, I'mglad I waited to call. Knowing
now that they took what ten daysto get this done, you could just
add more injury to inn so mygoodness. There's and of course, Sean,
I know when you guys talk toDana Brown tomorrow. You can't do

(02:15:28):
what I would do because I wouldlook in and say, please justify what
you just did, And then whycan't that that's that that's gonna get asked?
I mean in the right turn.I mean I I there. There's
not going to be one softball puton a t for him, and it
never is. Well, you know, you know that that's good because it

(02:15:50):
can't be justified. There's no justificationin this none whatsoever. What's that tall,
skinny end builder that backup that wehave haven't had a hit all year?
Greg? Who are you talking about? Great k He's not tall and
skinny. Are you talking about DavidHensley? Yeah? Hensley, that would
be the ideal trade for what we'regetting a month ago. Yeah. But

(02:16:18):
what I'm saying is this is caliber. Yeah. Has Bagwell been sitting in
with Dana Brown? Because this iswhat Bagwell did when Montero Montaro had came
off a great season, his bestby far in the major leagues, and
they opened up the pocketbook for himand he hasn't been letting close to it.
Well, guess what this picture hada great season for him last year

(02:16:41):
other than that meeting ocre at best, at best and you give up a
young talent like love Braffito. Whatthe hell are they thinking? This is?
This goes beyond and competence, Itgoes It's damn right, stupid.

(02:17:03):
I just don't understand it. Iheard it this morning and I was like,
that didn't happen. And of courseI don't know about this picture.
You look him up, you lookat the stats and go, oh crap,
he's I mean, Sean, letme ask you something in this run
that we've gotten out from almost beingin a cellar at the first place.

(02:17:26):
In this run that we've had,what is one of the most uh areas
that has gotten us here? Whatdo you think it is? Well,
the Hunter Brown, Renel Blanco.You've had some good starting pitching, you've
had break hitting up, you've hadmore timely hitting. But starting pitching is
always the factor. Always that right. If you go back and look at

(02:17:50):
this run, that depend on thelast twenty five or thirty games, I
almost guaranteed seventy five percent of thosestarts or eighty five almost quality starts.
Just look at the last two andyou know what, every time we've had
to go pitcher. Remember when Iwas driping the other when they brought up
the guy Hitch the start a gameinstead of going bullpen with what they did

(02:18:11):
last night. Bullpen got you throughsix solid innings and then you're you're two
U master closers, just spit thebit. But the starting picking picking has
been great. Yeah, you gotwell? So yeah, I mean,

(02:18:35):
what the hell they think they gaveaway talent a guy that has a chance
to become a Tucker maybe because he'sbat a whole lot better than Tucker did
when Sucker first came up. Okay, when you say maybe, Andy,
let me ask you this. Youknow, and we've talked about on the
surface of being that you're trying tojustify it, and I get it.

(02:18:56):
The range of emotions on this trade, from good to bad to ugly,
have been pretty amazing. What wouldwhen this season is over, Let's say
they win a World Series in Kakouchigoes uh five and two down the stretch
and get you a couple of winsin the postseason. Will you be okay

(02:19:18):
with it then and they win theWorld Series? Yes, well, of
course you have to be. Butlet me let me let me okay.
So my point is, should weshould Well, if they don't win the
World Series. The trade is ahorrible trade. Simple, Well, I
mean they have to win the WorldSeries because he's because he's let me let

(02:19:41):
me rephrase that song. Knowing whatI know about the picture. See,
I can't go by what ifs andand I can't go by what about low
graffdo? What if he he bombsout? But if you but I'll just
look at reality. The reality ofthis trade is there's a whole lot more
upside to low Graffito that it isthis picture, I know, But you

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what if? Be your what ifinglow Perffedo being Kyle Tucker? Though I
get what to listen, I didn'tlike to trade either. My point is
I'm just trying to get both sides. You're you're what ifing? Well,
what if low Perffedo is is KyleTucker? Well, what if Kokuchi goes
five and two or five you know, four and two, five and two
as an e r A in thelow threes high Let's say he pitches like

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an all star and he's a factorin the postseason. Isn't everything? What
if until we see him all play? It really is what if until we
see him here? Right? Theproblem with that is we've got seven seasons
of the picture. We've got athird of the fifth agreed, So right,

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horrible trade. Okay, who's gonnagive you a Let me ask you
another thing, and I'm just givingup. I'm going to point counterpoint,
like I said, is that I'mnot disagreeing with you what other people are
thinking and people we've had calling here. Let's say this, who gives you
if they're both good, who givesyou a better chance to win the World
Series? If low Braffito's playing wellor Kokuchi if they're both good. You

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just told me starting told you.But you just told me starting pitching is
the most important thing you got.Yeah, but but I also just told
you. In this run that we'vehad, starting pitching has been good,
has been better than good, reallygood. I get that we're still right.
It's all what if. To thisstage, if they win the World
Series, it was worth it.If they don't, it was a horrible

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trade. It's it's World Series orbust. They have to win it.
There's no doubt, especially on arental on a rental pitcher, there's no
argument. I'm not arguing with you. I'm just saying you can't you can't
what if one side, but notwhat if the other, because we don't
know if low Brafido is going tobe a star yet with Dicky Is.
But Sean I can because I havehistory on the picture. I don't have

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much history on Lobrafito. He justcame up in major leads. I look
at Kyle Tucker his first year.When he came up, we were all
like, Oh, this guy issupposed to be the next Ted Winis he
looks like crap. I listened tothe radio all summer, law, all
winter long. They were like,this guy's gonna be a bus blah blah
blah blah blah blah. You heardit, you remember and now day yep,

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yeah, they they they trash Tuckerupsiding down in this town, upside
and down. And I was saying, give the guy a freaking chance.
That's like in the NFL when theywhen they start a rookie quarterback the first
year on a bad team and hesucks, and everybody wants to say,
oh, he's going to be horriblethe rest of his career. Okay,
And you know, man, Ilove your passion and I'm not I'm not

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disagreeing with you. Have you donethat for Joe Aspada? Oh no,
I think Joe Swada would be abetter coach head coach next year. But
I'm not gonna give it. I'mnot well this year. But you have
torched him this year, correct him, correct or correct and and every time
I torched him, do I haveevidence? So I'm not saying or not.

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No, man, I'm not sayingyou're deceised that what you said is
wrong. I'm just saying you saidwe got to give the man a chance,
meaning low Perfedo. Have you donethat with Jos? Have you done
that for Joe Espada? The differenceis you're talking about one player with a
coach making decisions that costs games thatyour team and right a good chance to

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win the game. Is just aone player, one player head coach.
Well then, now now we're goingback if okay, if low perfitos and
now here, here's why this makesfor good banter. Here's why going back.
You said low Perfedo is just oneplayer. Yet two comments ago you
said low Perfedo gives you a betterchance to win a World Series if he's

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good than if Kuchi's good. Nowyou're just telling me when he's failing.
He's one player. But the reasonI say that is because I have history
on the picture. He hasn't beengood shots. I know that. But
what I gave you the numbers.If he goes four and two and wins
two games in the postseason, theywin the World Series, will you say

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the trade was good? Yes?Or no? No? I won't.
You're still gonna get'll suck even ifthey win the World Series because guess what,
he won't be the only reason theywon the World Series and neat okay,
but a part time player will Hecould One of those wins could be
nine to seven, and he givesup six runs in five innings. So

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I mean, you're the waypot.Wait a minute, but you're my man.
But you've given me hypotheticals too.Yeah, but a manager controls the
game, but one player doesn't.Yet you're telling me one player is more
important than a pitcher. Yet youtold me the pitching staff was more important
than any other position. I getwhere you're going, but you got to
see it on both sides. I'mlooking at the future for the chance of

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the future, for local Fedo isa whole lot better than then the then
the third of the season with thispicture. That's what I think. That's
I think that's arguable, but that'sfair. Appreciate it and appreciate and so
I know you' all having a goodback and forth right there, Sean,
we got to get to break.I mean, I get Andy's passion,
but uh man just say you gotyou got to see both sides on chan

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and I get Andy he has hispassion and yeah, but I don't mean
we always have to agree on everycomment. That's yeah, yeah, that
was good stuff. I mean eitherway, seven, one, three,
five, seven, and we'll getthe break and come back and field all
your calls about this Ashos trade next. Since four Stark seven to eighty,
the Shawn Salisbury Show continued taking allyour calls to hear how you feel about

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this trade, and we're gonna continueto do that here on The Shawn Salisbury
Show. Do Seki's forty five seconds, thanks for holding what's on? What's
up? Sewan and Sean and Brian. Uh, I'm gonna throw a couple
of littles in Spanish, y aElle Akis, you trun slate into what

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relax? M okay, everybody's tripping. I don't know why if Jacob Methon
would have been involved in this trade, per se would everybody gone crazy too
like they're doing with Joey. Youknow, when you're in management, it's
very hard to believe. Hey,everybody, so we have to go with
a good in the band. Takecare. Thanks for taking my call.
Guys, take care, Thank you, dozegies. Keep it going, man,

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We'll talk to Leo. Leo.What's happening, Hey, guys,
what's going on? Okay? Realquick, Sean, I wanted to elaborate
a little bit onto your methodical whenyou were talking about Dana Brown taking a
methodical approach to this trade. Ithink it goes longer than a week or
ten days. When Kyle Tucker washad come up, he was up and
down three or four times until heput on some mass and then he figured

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it out at the major league level. I think they didn't do that with
low Palpido because I think other teamswere interested in him and they needed to
see him at the major league level, and by keeping layone down at Triple
A, I think that protected himkind of because nobody saw him at the
major league level, so they didn'tknow exactly what he could do. So
I think this thing, this tradewas was I had been talked about,

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I think a lot longer than tendays ago. Uh And if you looked,
and I was also wondering, whydidn't send it? Why didn't they
send a Localfedo down when his averagegot down to two fifty? Like,
did they we tuck her? SoI think I think they eventually we're gonna
bring Leona and then I think thatmade a low Balfito, just a bit
of keeping him at the major leaguelevel, even though he struggled up here,

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Uh, made it made it goodfor them to go ahead and get
Kakuchi and then and they could adifferent scene coming from Toronto to Houston.
Now he's on a contending team,even though I was set up this league,
but he's on a containing team.So I think I think he'll turn
it around. Appreciated Leo. Yeah, we got that buzzer ready to go.
Bill, You're up next. Imaginethe rise and fall of the Houston

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Astros arrested on the shoulders of Joeylow Praffedo. Are you kidding? Okay,
guys, look at it real quick. Astro fans, look at ultimate.
Sure here, what would have beenthe cost for a Flarity or a
Crochet or a Blake's. I thoughtthat. I thought in the long run,
in the big side, the Astro'sgot enough value for what they gave

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up. What would have been theprime what would they been? What would
fans been willing to give up togive Flarity or Crochet would have been?
Would have been? Crochet would havebeen? They they wouldn't have been able
to pull it off. If thisis what you had to give up to
get a rental uh In Kakuchi.Now Flarerty would have been a rental two.
But if you had to pull offCrochet or schoobl you would have Melton

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would have been Melton would have beenor Leon would have been right in there.
In another prospect, they would havegiven up. There'd have been four
or five people in the deal toget that guy, damn sean people out
of the dugout. They had toprobably get people out of the right now.
Yeah, ye, get one ofthose guys. Somebody off the Major
League twel or bench is going tobe on that trade. Guys, it's
been a great morning. Appreciate it. Appreciated, Billow, appreciations for man.

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Yeah, it's been it's been good. Let's talk to Will. What's
happening? Well, all right,guys, I just want tomorrow you to
talk to Dan Brown, and Iwant to know what his philosophy is as
we talk today now, because atthe beginning of the season, it was
let's throw the kids out there,see what they got. We brought out
all the pictures. We didn't signa vet. Now we seem to be
giving up on the kids. Lowberffdo and we're gonna go get a VET.

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Well, we got two more vetsthat brought us to where we are
today, Bregman and Tucker. Soare you gonna give up on those guys
or you're gonna throw some more kidsout there? I want to know because
you can't have it both ways.Either promote the talent and pass on the
guys that are got here, oryou sign these guys and you see what
comes up as it comes up naturally. Thank you, Bill. I'd love
to know where he is at bigpicture wise. Appreciate it. Well,

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Hey, we're gonna have We'll haveDana Brown on tomorrow morning at nine thirty.
You won't want to miss that.You know what I say about them
kids, Sean have them kids,man? Yeah, that's how you feel.
Yeah, oh man, what ashow? Whoa Sean? And and
you know what, the deadline isstill today at five o'clock. Imagine if

(02:30:11):
the Astros going to make another movefor I don't know, let's say YONDI
Diez. Apparently they're they might beinvolved in talks with him. Has Flarity?
Who's that yond Diez? Oh?Yeah? Has uh? Has Flarity
been? I didn't see? No, he hasn't been dealt If what if

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they were one for one Melton forFlarity? In another riddle? Would you
what would you do? Uh?Man? Can't they say like a double
a guy? I might have mighthave take Melton and Leon? Dude?
This no, No, I'm gonnahave to I'm kidding. I can't even
throw that out into space. Dude, I can't do it. But uh,

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Dana, Dana knows tough is coming, so he's gonna heal. He's
prepared for this, we'll see preparedfor question? And how are you going
to deal with it? And likeI said, Brian, I'm going to
break down to its lowest form ofthe lowest equation fraction. If they don't
win the World Series, the tradewas no good because you're telling me with

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the rental, and you gave upfuture, three pieces of what you thought
was part of your future. Whetherpeople vary on what they thought the future,
but it appeared three young players therewere top prospects in your organization.
You gave up three of those.I don't know if it's going to be
a great trade or not at theend of the season on the surface,
eh, but you gave up threeyoung to get a thirty three year old

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under five hundred but who's pitched insome big games and a lefty who gives
you something different. We're going tosee how different. If you don't win
the World Series, you're telling methat ten days of working on this and
it's World Series or busts and it'sa rental not under control after this year.
If you don't win the World Series, the trade didn't work out for

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the Houston Astros. If you do, you can justify it and say we
got a ring in. The ringis more important than the prospect in my
opinion, and it always will be. Ye give me the ring over the
prospect any day. But you addedmore pressure because it's a rental to win
this year or bus if it wasunther three years you'd say we could do
it next year, but now it'sring or bus, which it is for
the Astros anyway. But this thehyper sensitive part of it added to it

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because you cut into a farm systemthat's already a bit depleted anyway. And
if you can give, if yousay low Perfto still isn't a full You
know, he's a major leaguer,but he's he's been to the farm and
backup. And you got the othertwo guys. Now you're really talking about
So it is World Series of bus. It's as simple a fraction as I
can break it down to that isit win it all or it didn't work.

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And I know it's one pitcher.Other guys are gonna have to contribute,
but if he's the deciding factor,he better be lights out, That's
all I'm saying. Yeah, we'regonna have to see how this age shakes
out and if the Astros make anothermove. According to John Hayman, as
we get to break, the Yankeesand Astros are both considering Yandy Diz from

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the Tampa Bay Rays. Who knowswhat they're gonna have to give up to
try to go get Yandi Diz.We will have to monitor that all day
long. The deadline at five o'clockseven one three, two one two five,
seven ninety. As we get intothe final segment here on a Tuesday
morning, John, Robert Rick andMike. You guys are the final callers
of the show that's next right hereon Sports Talk seven to eighty. We
want to win. Sean Salisbury continueson seven ninety. Yuse Kakuci is now

(02:33:33):
a Houston astro. They gave upJoey Loperfedo, Jake Bloss and Will Wagner
to get him. Seven one three, two one two five seven nine of
the Star with Rick. Let's beChris Rick, what's up? Well,
I'm another fan of trade obviously,but we don't know what's gonna happen,
because you know, we have noidea about Lopo or those guys in our
future. But I was wondering,is there anyone else after was better caliber

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to give the three three protect forthis for this uh pitching staff orthus good
cuge. Is he the only oneout there? It's a good question,
Rick, We've kind of hit onthat a little bit. Appreciate the call.
I answer is no, he's theonly one out there, but maybe
for the price they wanted. Pitchingis gonna require premium talent to get and

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if you're in the hunt, youneed an extra pitcher. If you would
have gone out and got somebody likeCrochet or somebody else, it would it
cost you more. But it's asteep price to pay. When your World
Series or bus, there's no doubt. See how it goes. Let's go
to John. Hey, John,how you doing, good man? What's
on your mind? Well? I'vebeen an Astros fan since it was a

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cold forty five. Okay, Iwas a kid back then, but uh
four point six e r A.Uh, that's not going to cut it,
man, I mean, you knowthere's too much going on and U
you know, I I know youmight not like one. I say,
this team is not a World Seriesteam. Guy, you know it's going

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to take a lot more than that. And you know, uh, let
Prosito, Well, I don't knowif they've noticed he used strike out a
lot. He needs to go workon his batting, you know, and
all kinds of things. He's stillhe still needs to work on all that.
So they didn't make a bad decisionon that one, you know,
But the I don't know what it'sit's too confusing that I'm not going to

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try to sort it out, butjust hang up and listen to you guys.
Okay, thank you, John,appreciate the call, and let's talk
to Robert. Robert, what's goingon? Yeah, even when Triple he's
trying to be stern and tell menot to talk too long. He's so
nice anyway, that's great. Uh. Also, I was when I saw
the trade. My first thought was, man, I really enjoyed watching low

(02:35:50):
Grafito play. Second was I wasgetting a bunch of text from buddies and
people were upset, and I waslike, I cannot wait to listen to
the show in the morning because youget the Andy segment. And I'll tell
you this. I'll tell you this. It didn't disappoint Today. Andy provides
for his family. I bet he'sa hard worker, but I bet Andy

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gets kicked out of his kid's littleleague. All right, that's all I
got got, pretty Sandy, Robert, and good hitting from you, buddy.
Don't be such a stranger man.Last all this show, let's let's
talk to Mike. Finish us offstrong, Mike. I got a good
one for you guys. Listen.Hello, yeah, we got you,
Mike. Okay, nine years agoor ten, we gave up a potential

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future Hall of Famer and we can'tthe better player in Randy Grossman. We
gave up on J. D.Martinez. It didn't hurt us. That
makes seven worlds, I mean seven, you know, AC or whatever playoff.
That's the first. Yeah, yeah, and it was Robbie. You're
talking about Robbie Grossman? Yeah,yeah, pro I don't want to hear

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about this product. Second thing isthat Dana Brown's number one job for this
team is to make sure that thefarm system is fluid in the next couple
of years. That's his job.That's nothing. The other stuff is good,
but that's his job. The thirdthing, we got potentially five or
six starters coming back next year,so it's not like we have to worry

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about what's going to happen to thisguy after this year. It was a
shot we took fine, but oneplayer is not going to make or break
this franchise. The players in oursystem should be able to come up and
do what they're supposed to do.But potential is potential. I've seen a
thousand times, and again we gretgave up on one of the best players

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that we've ever given up on withJD. Martinez and didn't hurt us want
one bit. Thanks, guys,appreciated. Mike. Yeah, I'm just
anxious to see how Kakuchi comes downon a stretch of being on the Astros.
There line up, the whole vibechanges his era and he pitches like
an All Star, which he's beenright So we'll see. But it was

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in the making. Like I said, this is a team that has World
Series and the fore fronds on thefront burner every year if they with or
without Kokuchi, they didn't make theWorld Series this year, we considered it
a disappointment with Kokuchi. It's justmade it more hyper sensitive because they went
and got an arm, and theygot an arm that they felt was the
arm that they needed an arm toget him over the top. Dana Brown
set on this show, so we'rea playoff team. In order to get

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to a World Series team, weneed to go get some help. They
think they got the help, andwe're going to find out every friggin detail
we can tomorrow over to why whenJustify? What's the future look like,
what's the farm system look like?Is it World Series? Or bust.
Why did you make this? Howlong you do it? What was the
deciding factor? All these will getanswered and ask tomorrow. If it takes

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twenty minutes and two segments, wewill get it in tomorrow at nine point
thirty, So do not miss tomorrow'sinterview. I guarantee its Yeah, astros
Enner manager Dany bro I'm gonna joinus tomorrow morning at nine thirty. Well,
that's going to do it, Oh, buddy, astros See, don't
feel gonna be a good four hourslike that to our listener, our callers

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and listeners. Yeah, great passionman, regardless of what spectrum you're on.
That's why this job's awesome because rightnow, the truth is there's no
right answer, No right there is. It's it's what do you feels right
in your own little uh you knowwhat your heart desires right now, it's
still got to play itself out.But on the surface, there's going to

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be some hot and heated stuff goingon back in the ballpark tonight. Yeah,
they are back in action tonight,taking on the Pirates seven ten.
The first pitch six o'clock on Deckshow trade deadline today at five o'clock.
Let's see if the Astros make anothermove and what they have to give up
if they do indeed make another move. He is Sean Salisbury, Triple E.
Emmanuel Elmore is our producer. Iam Brian li Lima. Thank you

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for listening. Hey, Sean,Yeah we do. Is he still there?
Yeah? I mean Joey low Berdois now Toronto Blue Jay. He's
north of the Border. North ofthe Border. All right, that's gonna
do it for the Shawn Salisbury show. Next up was stand north of Chris
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