August 2, 2024 • 10 mins
With an early tipoff to the preseason, the Texans and Bears kickoff the Hall of Fame game in Canton, Ohio. With starters sitting out, the NFL debuted a few new rule changes regarding tackling and special teams. With a tease from last nights game, are the new rules any help than they were before?
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This Sean Salisbury show continues to.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
The team that debuted in the game last night, And
I've got, obviously I have on paper, and i know
sew you do as well, the new kickoff rule and
how it's explained. But Joe Buck did a really good
job of explaining it last night. And this is this
(00:24):
try to follow it here. This is Joe Buck on
the call last night explaining the new kickoff rules in
the NFL.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Have seen in the NFL, teams kick off from the
thirty five the ten players and the kicking team started
the opponent's forty. At least nine receiving team players must
be in the setup zone between their own thirty and
thirty five. Play begins with the balls touched or hitch
the ground in the end zone or landing zone, the
area between the receiving team's goal line and the twenty
(00:53):
touchbacks in land in the end zone are brought out
to the thirty touchback sid roll into the end zone
from the landing zone are brought out to the twenty
You got all that, We're We're gonna hang on for
dear life tonight.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
But man, is it gonna be fun to watch this on.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Food So that's Joe Buck and obviously Troy Ikmen coming
in late. In that audio they were on the call
glass on on ESPN.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
All right, Sean, you can't have a kicker go down
past the fifty until the ball hits the ground. You
can actually now have twelve men on the field possible.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
You can't saw that.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Ye if it's windy, you got guy. The guy will
hold the ball or you know weather. But he can't
be in on the play. He basically is the t
he can't be able to play. I mean you uh certain,
you get a certain about it, like jokes playing.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
I could walk you through it all. I mean, I
know you got it too.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
It is and I said, it's really not that difficult
to understand when you listen to without seeing it. It
is difficult to understand because you try to follow it.
So David, I'm with you. My man, just know this.
They want more excitement, less injuries, so okay.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
But they run down.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
I mean it's so gimmicky. I feel like you're watching. Well,
you guys got to wait and you go down. We're
going to take special teams out of it. We want
more offense, which means we want the ball spotted it
can be spotted at three different places, and coming out
of a penalty. Then there's you know, how it affects
the kick and where you can get it and when
(02:21):
the guy can bring it out, and how many.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Guys get to go down.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
It's nuts and you shouldn't have to think that much
of a kickoff, back the ball up, kick it off
and go cover it.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Okay, well all the guys, I don't know why.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Well, statistics say one more guy a year blows his
knee out. I mean, you know, we've already eliminated about
as many collisions as you can with no you know
you can't, you know, put the wall up and hold hands,
you know, with the wedge busters and all that stuff.
Think about the games back then when guys would run back,
grab hands, load up, be the wedge, and you have
what we call a wedge buster fly down the field
(02:53):
and his job was to break the wedge up. So
dive his full body and they break up the wedge.
So somebody will coming to make the tackle. That's how
it used to play. So I understand safety. And when
pee there will be some say, well we got to
keep all the players safe. It's impossible to do well
we got to improve the opportunity. Yes, I know we do,
(03:14):
but we also know that just keep him above the waist,
you know, or if you want to make, make rules
on tackling.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
But I I just the gimmicks to me. I'm sure
some love it.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
I'm sure they do, but I just think we we've
made special teams an afterthought.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
You know I do the.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Best special teams thing we ever did was making them
move back to kick an extra point. Put a little
pressure on the kicker late in the game. A guy
can snaphook a thirty five yard or so. But I'm
not I'm not big on the on the and I'm
not big on me having to tell you and you
getting to tell me when I can onside kick.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
O.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
What? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:51):
That that that parts suck?
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:54):
So didn't who was it? Sean Payton?
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Didn't He didn't.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
They surprise on side kick to star or the second
half of a Super Bowl?
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Yeah, so now you can't have that.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
Well, it says here the NFL rules will fundamentally change
the new rules and see onside kick the returnmate, Well,
there's a return rate on kickoff. I'm trying to find
the exact verbiage for on side kicks because you go
through it, and Joe Buck probably got a headache trying
(04:26):
to have to explain all that to everybody and go
through it, because I guarantee it's a learning experience for them, even.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
On a broadcasting. Okay, what this worstest balls supposed to go?
Speaker 4 (04:35):
But yeah, that's exactly what Sean Payton did and that's
exactly why you should be able to do it any
way you want. Well, the onside kick, let's see here
it is the on side kick rule. The alignment kickoff
rules will pack the league's on side kick rules. We'll
be allowed under the new rules. The trailing team will
have the right to declare it to the official. You
(04:56):
got to tell the official you want an on side kick.
After that, the current onside kickoff rules would apply now,
but you have to warn. And presumably that would mean
the trailing team would attempt an onside kick from its
own thirty five yard line with a classic kickoff rules
in effect. The NFL didn't immediately clarify that, however, it
simply noted that if an onside kick goes beyond the
setup zone untouched, the kicking team would be penalized and
(05:19):
the return team would start the drive at the at
the A twenty yard line. The NFL is opting for
less gimmicky approach.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Sure you are.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
When the NFL's on kick rules may keep playing the game,
they do eliminate.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
The possibility of a surprise onside kick.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
That strategic loss may erk special teams coordinators, but they
surely will find a way to gain potential advantages because
of the new kickoff rules. So the bottom lines, you
got to let them know, and there's only certain times
you can do it correct. That's the way I look
at it, which to me is absurd that I can't
pull the.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Element of surprise on you.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
Yeah, I actually think, I actually think it's a served
that you can't have guys. You remember how they need
a guy onside kick it. One guy go blow it
up so you can land on the ball. That's football, man,
that's football. Well, Sean, what if a guy gets hurt
to the ribcage? Yeah, and what do you help me
to tell you about? I mean, I don't know why.
(06:18):
So why don't we just have the kicker, one defender
with the kicker, one guy to go cover, and two
guys to recover it. One guy can just just make
it a one on one rule, then put five guys
out there a level. Would we hockeying out at the
All Star Game? Just eliminate guys were playing three on three.
I mean, well, bodies are there. It's a physical game.
(06:38):
It can be a violent game. You just got to
prevent the individuals like dogs or owners. What's the reason
dogs are violent?
Speaker 1 (06:44):
The owners? Right, normally, it's the same thing here.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Take out, take out cheap hits and just put good
physical hits allowed to happen. We've gotten to the point
we we penalize physical, good clean hits during regular play
and kick offs the rest of it. Imagine if these
rules were all implemented when Devin Hester was a return game,
you wouldn't be That's exactly right. And the great guys
(07:11):
who cover it, guys like Steve Tasker and guys return
like Brian Mitchell, all these great players over the course
of time, would have minimal impact. Devin Hetscher would not
be in the Hall of Fame if it wasn't for
special teams. And he may be the greatest we've ever seen.
Well he turned out okay for him. Just because a
year goes by doesn't mean we always have to change rules.
(07:33):
I'm okay going back to moving it back, force the
kicker to kick it down there, and let's go and
go protect him, you know, take the wedge out safe
and you're not blocking below the waist, all those things.
But man, I miss the days when a return actually
they caught it at the five yard line and guys
were hustling down to cover it and he had a
little space and got the ball out at your mad midfield.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
I miss those days.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
And then isn't it inevitable that there's always a penalty
call on a kickoff? I feel like every single time
where's the flag, that they're going to find a flag.
It's maddening. And I know somewhat more safety. I think
most players prefer the opportunity to impact the game the
right way without having gimmicky rules all over it. And
we are loaded with gimmick rules in pro sports now,
(08:17):
all over the place, littered with it. Even though it's
a physical game, we are littered with gimmicks. People are
going to get banged up. It's unfortunate, but that's just
the way it is.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
It's crazy, man, I watching that game last night, At first,
I didn't know how I was going to feel about it.
And then the more that the game went on and
there was more and more of these kickoffs, I was like, man,
what the hell are we doing?
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Here's what you do?
Speaker 4 (08:39):
You're right, Brian, and real quick, here's what we shouldn't
have to do. You shouldn't have to pass a doc.
You get a doctorate degree to understand kickoffs and don sei.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
You shouldn't have to sit there and think what do
we do again? Here?
Speaker 4 (08:54):
It used to be hustle your ass down to make
a tackle and return game. It's right, return, Okay, here
we go. You can fair catch it goes out of
the end zone.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Hell. I liked the rule at I hope.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
I like the rule of the balls in the end
zone and the guy didn't go get it and down it.
Now that you just pointed the ride, that's good. If
it's rolling around the end zone. We lost the national
championship opportunity at USC and get you by a ball
rolling into the end zone and them recovering it on
a kickoff. So the rules of all it bounced in
(09:29):
the end zone, Hell, get on it and put it down.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Well what about an injury? Well what about it?
Speaker 4 (09:33):
Hopefully it won't happen. I just missed the excitement of
specialized kicking.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
I do. I miss it, me and you both.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Man, I don't know how to feel about this gimmicky
just landing zone and twelve players at one I don't.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
Know, man landing zone that's for airports, dog or a
gymnast stick the landing.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Yeah, let's get to the seven o'clock hour. Are the
Texans a super team? Well, there's one player in the
NFL that says who is it? We'll discuss next
This Sean Salisbury show continues to.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
The team that debuted in the game last night, And
I've got, obviously I have on paper, and i know
sew you do as well, the new kickoff rule and
how it's explained. But Joe Buck did a really good
job of explaining it last night. And this is this
(00:24):
try to follow it here. This is Joe Buck on
the call last night explaining the new kickoff rules in
the NFL.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Have seen in the NFL, teams kick off from the
thirty five the ten players and the kicking team started
the opponent's forty. At least nine receiving team players must
be in the setup zone between their own thirty and
thirty five. Play begins with the balls touched or hitch
the ground in the end zone or landing zone, the
area between the receiving team's goal line and the twenty
(00:53):
touchbacks in land in the end zone are brought out
to the thirty touchback sid roll into the end zone
from the landing zone are brought out to the twenty
You got all that, We're We're gonna hang on for
dear life tonight.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
But man, is it gonna be fun to watch this on.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Food So that's Joe Buck and obviously Troy Ikmen coming
in late. In that audio they were on the call
glass on on ESPN.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
All right, Sean, you can't have a kicker go down
past the fifty until the ball hits the ground. You
can actually now have twelve men on the field possible.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
You can't saw that.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Ye if it's windy, you got guy. The guy will
hold the ball or you know weather. But he can't
be in on the play. He basically is the t
he can't be able to play. I mean you uh certain,
you get a certain about it, like jokes playing.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
I could walk you through it all. I mean, I
know you got it too.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
It is and I said, it's really not that difficult
to understand when you listen to without seeing it. It
is difficult to understand because you try to follow it.
So David, I'm with you. My man, just know this.
They want more excitement, less injuries, so okay.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
But they run down.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
I mean it's so gimmicky. I feel like you're watching. Well,
you guys got to wait and you go down. We're
going to take special teams out of it. We want
more offense, which means we want the ball spotted it
can be spotted at three different places, and coming out
of a penalty. Then there's you know, how it affects
the kick and where you can get it and when
(02:21):
the guy can bring it out, and how many.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Guys get to go down.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
It's nuts and you shouldn't have to think that much
of a kickoff, back the ball up, kick it off
and go cover it.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Okay, well all the guys, I don't know why.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Well, statistics say one more guy a year blows his
knee out. I mean, you know, we've already eliminated about
as many collisions as you can with no you know
you can't, you know, put the wall up and hold hands,
you know, with the wedge busters and all that stuff.
Think about the games back then when guys would run back,
grab hands, load up, be the wedge, and you have
what we call a wedge buster fly down the field
(02:53):
and his job was to break the wedge up. So
dive his full body and they break up the wedge.
So somebody will coming to make the tackle. That's how
it used to play. So I understand safety. And when
pee there will be some say, well we got to
keep all the players safe. It's impossible to do well
we got to improve the opportunity. Yes, I know we do,
(03:14):
but we also know that just keep him above the waist,
you know, or if you want to make, make rules
on tackling.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
But I I just the gimmicks to me. I'm sure
some love it.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
I'm sure they do, but I just think we we've
made special teams an afterthought.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
You know I do the.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Best special teams thing we ever did was making them
move back to kick an extra point. Put a little
pressure on the kicker late in the game. A guy
can snaphook a thirty five yard or so. But I'm
not I'm not big on the on the and I'm
not big on me having to tell you and you
getting to tell me when I can onside kick.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
O.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
What? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:51):
That that that parts suck?
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:54):
So didn't who was it? Sean Payton?
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Didn't He didn't.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
They surprise on side kick to star or the second
half of a Super Bowl?
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Yeah, so now you can't have that.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
Well, it says here the NFL rules will fundamentally change
the new rules and see onside kick the returnmate, Well,
there's a return rate on kickoff. I'm trying to find
the exact verbiage for on side kicks because you go
through it, and Joe Buck probably got a headache trying
(04:26):
to have to explain all that to everybody and go
through it, because I guarantee it's a learning experience for them, even.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
On a broadcasting. Okay, what this worstest balls supposed to go?
Speaker 4 (04:35):
But yeah, that's exactly what Sean Payton did and that's
exactly why you should be able to do it any
way you want. Well, the onside kick, let's see here
it is the on side kick rule. The alignment kickoff
rules will pack the league's on side kick rules. We'll
be allowed under the new rules. The trailing team will
have the right to declare it to the official. You
(04:56):
got to tell the official you want an on side kick.
After that, the current onside kickoff rules would apply now,
but you have to warn. And presumably that would mean
the trailing team would attempt an onside kick from its
own thirty five yard line with a classic kickoff rules
in effect. The NFL didn't immediately clarify that, however, it
simply noted that if an onside kick goes beyond the
setup zone untouched, the kicking team would be penalized and
(05:19):
the return team would start the drive at the at
the A twenty yard line. The NFL is opting for
less gimmicky approach.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Sure you are.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
When the NFL's on kick rules may keep playing the game,
they do eliminate.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
The possibility of a surprise onside kick.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
That strategic loss may erk special teams coordinators, but they
surely will find a way to gain potential advantages because
of the new kickoff rules. So the bottom lines, you
got to let them know, and there's only certain times
you can do it correct. That's the way I look
at it, which to me is absurd that I can't
pull the.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Element of surprise on you.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
Yeah, I actually think, I actually think it's a served
that you can't have guys. You remember how they need
a guy onside kick it. One guy go blow it
up so you can land on the ball. That's football, man,
that's football. Well, Sean, what if a guy gets hurt
to the ribcage? Yeah, and what do you help me
to tell you about? I mean, I don't know why.
(06:18):
So why don't we just have the kicker, one defender
with the kicker, one guy to go cover, and two
guys to recover it. One guy can just just make
it a one on one rule, then put five guys
out there a level. Would we hockeying out at the
All Star Game? Just eliminate guys were playing three on three.
I mean, well, bodies are there. It's a physical game.
(06:38):
It can be a violent game. You just got to
prevent the individuals like dogs or owners. What's the reason
dogs are violent?
Speaker 1 (06:44):
The owners? Right, normally, it's the same thing here.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Take out, take out cheap hits and just put good
physical hits allowed to happen. We've gotten to the point
we we penalize physical, good clean hits during regular play
and kick offs the rest of it. Imagine if these
rules were all implemented when Devin Hester was a return game,
you wouldn't be That's exactly right. And the great guys
(07:11):
who cover it, guys like Steve Tasker and guys return
like Brian Mitchell, all these great players over the course
of time, would have minimal impact. Devin Hetscher would not
be in the Hall of Fame if it wasn't for
special teams. And he may be the greatest we've ever seen.
Well he turned out okay for him. Just because a
year goes by doesn't mean we always have to change rules.
(07:33):
I'm okay going back to moving it back, force the
kicker to kick it down there, and let's go and
go protect him, you know, take the wedge out safe
and you're not blocking below the waist, all those things.
But man, I miss the days when a return actually
they caught it at the five yard line and guys
were hustling down to cover it and he had a
little space and got the ball out at your mad midfield.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
I miss those days.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
And then isn't it inevitable that there's always a penalty
call on a kickoff? I feel like every single time
where's the flag, that they're going to find a flag.
It's maddening. And I know somewhat more safety. I think
most players prefer the opportunity to impact the game the
right way without having gimmicky rules all over it. And
we are loaded with gimmick rules in pro sports now,
(08:17):
all over the place, littered with it. Even though it's
a physical game, we are littered with gimmicks. People are
going to get banged up. It's unfortunate, but that's just
the way it is.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
It's crazy, man, I watching that game last night, At first,
I didn't know how I was going to feel about it.
And then the more that the game went on and
there was more and more of these kickoffs, I was like, man,
what the hell are we doing?
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Here's what you do?
Speaker 4 (08:39):
You're right, Brian, and real quick, here's what we shouldn't
have to do. You shouldn't have to pass a doc.
You get a doctorate degree to understand kickoffs and don sei.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
You shouldn't have to sit there and think what do
we do again? Here?
Speaker 4 (08:54):
It used to be hustle your ass down to make
a tackle and return game. It's right, return, Okay, here
we go. You can fair catch it goes out of
the end zone.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Hell. I liked the rule at I hope.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
I like the rule of the balls in the end
zone and the guy didn't go get it and down it.
Now that you just pointed the ride, that's good. If
it's rolling around the end zone. We lost the national
championship opportunity at USC and get you by a ball
rolling into the end zone and them recovering it on
a kickoff. So the rules of all it bounced in
(09:29):
the end zone, Hell, get on it and put it down.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Well what about an injury? Well what about it?
Speaker 4 (09:33):
Hopefully it won't happen. I just missed the excitement of
specialized kicking.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
I do. I miss it, me and you both.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Man, I don't know how to feel about this gimmicky
just landing zone and twelve players at one I don't.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
Know, man landing zone that's for airports, dog or a
gymnast stick the landing.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Yeah, let's get to the seven o'clock hour. Are the
Texans a super team? Well, there's one player in the
NFL that says who is it? We'll discuss next
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