August 20, 2024 • 12 mins
After years of many great players coming across the MLB, many have raised question as to how some have been left out of the HOF. Considering all aspects such as steroids', gambling, and performance enhancing the guys discuss how some are allowed but what may be the deciding factor in who gets in?
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The Shawn Soundsbury Show continued, Let's get back out to
the phone lines seven one, three, two, two five sevenin
you're gonna do some rapid fire here. TRIPLEY will hang
up on you. Let's keep it crisp so everybody can
get in. Ray, you're up first, Good morning, Come, good morning.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
What's up right?
Speaker 3 (00:20):
The reason, the reason why I'm calling is I completely
disagree with you as far as the steroids usage. Uh,
Roger Clemens his character, I mean, he's terrible, but you
have to also let in chewless Joe. I mean, the
guy was being blackmailed by the mob, and in the twenties,
when you're being blackmailed by the mob, you might as
well get your funeral ready.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
But Julis Joe does belong in.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
He does. I agree with you on that. But the
steroids guys, I mean, I don't have a problem with
lying in the Congress. I mean they're just as bad
as the steroid users. But uh, they lied, They lied
to every body. I mean maybe I have a higher
call him boy lion, but uh, you certainly can't in
(01:08):
let you can't let Clemons in. I mean he would
did go to tu So I mean what of that.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
But what does that matter about on the field production.
No one's talking about his character for the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Yeah, he had the cheat to get the on soil production.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Hmm.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
I mean that's your opinion. I mean everybody was doing it,
you know what I mean? Well, that doesn't right, but
I don't think it doesn't make it right. But let
me ask you a question. If you found out just Ray.
And I'm not questioning Ray, I'm just kind of you
know what.
Speaker 5 (01:42):
I love the banter, right, It makes for good Pete Rose, Yes,
gambling sometimes lyon morals value. I love it. I think
it's great conversation. I think I learned something from somebody.
Why you may think it and Brian doesn't, or why
I do? Let me ask you this on a golf course.
If you found out Ty Woods was I'm just using
him as an example because he's so good. If you
(02:04):
found out and you know his grind, Ray, you've watched
him grind and practice all these years. If Tiger Woods,
if you, if you, if you, what were you gonna say?
I'm sorry, go ahead, I'm not a golfer, but just
bet tiger Woods.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
You know Tiger Woods, and you know what it is.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
And so if you found out Tiger Woods was on
steroids two of the times he won the Masters and
one time he won the US Open, that he was
using performance enhancing drugs, what would you say?
Speaker 3 (02:33):
I would say cheated? He I mean, what do you
say to the people who are doing it clean? Oh?
Speaker 5 (02:39):
I know, I know, I'm not saying right, I'm just saying,
what would you say? So it's very similar. You still
got to put contact the ball, got to keep it straight.
I don't know if steroids help you make putts right,
help you hit it farther. I don't know if they
help you hit it straight. Or My point is is
that I get the argument both ways. Now, Barry Bonds
was a Hall of Famer before he took steroids.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
I mean Clements sorry four Cy Youngs, before the steroid
er for Roger Clemons.
Speaker 5 (03:03):
Right, And we don't know and we don't know who
this steroid era, I mean back when Babe Ruth and
those guys were playing where they'd taken uppers to stay
ready to play after drinking all night.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Who knows.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
But I love the banter because I'm trying to figure
out why, why one's good and one isn't for all
of us, because I am say the gambling thing people
made that the worst of them all.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Does Pete Rose belong in the Hall of Fame? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Absolutely, Okay, I mean he paid it, like I said,
he paid his sentence. And the steroid user people are
still saying I never.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
Used right, So they're in denial as Pete was a
long time. They're in more denial now not admitting it.
You know who made think about Andy Pettitt real quick?
Speaker 4 (03:41):
Ray?
Speaker 5 (03:42):
Remember when Andy Pettitt came out and said, yeah, I
use it because I was trying to heal You know
when when when Pettit went he was on the list,
wasn't right? And you know what nobody and I understand
why nobody criticized Andy right, he got out in front
of it said I made a mistake and here's what
I was doing, and now it's all good.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Right.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
So you think it would have been different if they
had come out and said, yes, I tried it because
I was trying to heal an injury.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
I wanted an advantage. How would you have felt about that?
Speaker 3 (04:06):
I don't know if Andy Pettit is telling him the
truth or not. But here's my other conundrum. Uh, do
I think that jose al two belongs in the Hall
of Fame? Yes, I do, absolutely all right, I don't
think he will so right, I don't think you will
because of the scandal.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
Right See, I talked to a Hall of Fame voters
said he won't vote for him.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
You think that many voters are going to keep him out?
Speaker 5 (04:26):
I don't know, but I know this from Boston. I
know he will not vote for him. Yeah, and he
loves al too. They just won't vote for him. So
there's the day. Okay. So even though players have said
he wasn't involved, and I agree with you one hundred percent, Ray,
some are going to say, well, guilt by association, there's.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
No way he would.
Speaker 5 (04:43):
There's some of the people vote for me and say, yeah,
but he's in the clubhouse.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
That's why I'm acting this question about gambling, steroids, the
stealing signals. Where do we draw the line? Josey al
two va is a Hall of Famer. I think enough
are going to get him in. But I do think
it's gonna I don't think he's going to be a
first back. I think some are going to struggle with
it even though they shouldn't. I'm with you one.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
And I got one last question and I'll hang out
to there are other people waiting. I saw the other
day a guy was wearing an ear piece as a
pitcher to hear from the catcher or the manager. I
don't know, how do you guys feel about that? To me,
I think it's taking away the spirit of the game.
And like I said, I'll hang up. I'll hang up
and let you guys answer it.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Thanks ray it. It bothers me a little.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
What ear piece? He is not wearing ear pieces?
Speaker 4 (05:30):
He said he saw one.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
No, there's no ear pieces, and basic the PitchCom has
the thing right here in their hat right now if.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
You're inside the hat, so keep it somewhere for me,
right If it was, yeah, that would bother me because
there's too much care. There's just like it's just like
cutting off the and you had like in quarterbacks, you
got to cut off the communication.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
Like fifteen seconds before the ball snapped. R.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Yeah, there's no ear piece. It's the pitch.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
What they have under their hat is it's the pitch coom.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Thing.
Speaker 5 (05:59):
They don't get constant they don't get constant communication. Their
apiece where like a like a secret service guy does
talking into something. But I understand what Ray's saying about.
That's what I'm saying. Think about the discrepancy, Brian between
and we'll roll through these guys next break. But think
about the discrepancy you and I here steroids? No, yes,
al two A, yes. You know what I'm saying. It's
(06:21):
just the fluctuation of it, right, and so it's not
not says right or wrong. Everybody has their different morals
or the way they approach. How much did it help
on the field if Tiger Woods, if you knew he
was on steroids during the two Masters, well would you
think different of him?
Speaker 4 (06:37):
No?
Speaker 5 (06:38):
Just because he can hit it farther. Still, I don't
know how a steroid helps you make a putt right,
That's what I was going to say, the accuracy, and
you still got to contact the ball.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Do steroids give you an advantage in sports? Do they
give you better Do they give you better vision?
Speaker 4 (06:52):
Do they give you more? Yes? They give you the
bloody get train harder and getting the gym.
Speaker 5 (06:57):
And get it.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
I get all that.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
See that the argument, However, you still got to perform
on the field. If I'm taking steroids and I'm an
Olympic body builder, I can take steroids all day. But
if I don't perform in the gym to get my
body in peak shape.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
What does it matter? I don't know how to pose
right right, I'm not gonna win.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
I don't know if I don't know if Tiger Wood's
chipping in from the bunker has anything to do with
I'm not saying Tiger's, but it would have anything.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
To do with steroids.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
It gets you in the gym more, the recovery is quicker,
all all those things I get, But does it actually
help you see the ball better? Does it actually help
your you know, all those things that go with it.
So those are the questions you got to ask yourself
as you weigh Well, Pete Rose doesn't belong in, but
Roger Clems does.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Barry Bonds belongs in, but Pete Rose doesn't.
Speaker 5 (07:44):
Altuve belongs in because he wasn't doing it here in Houston,
but in other cities they think he was doing it. Really,
it comes down to what a man's word, right, Yep,
that a man's word.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Do You can't?
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Right see?
Speaker 5 (07:57):
But you know, like like we have selective choice, we
all do. Yeah, we all do.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
I just I just look at like Ray brought up
Roger Clemens, like seven time Cy Young he had four
of those prior to the quote unquote steroid era MVP.
He got his MVP in let's see nineteen eighty six.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
That's well before the quote.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Unquote that was fresh off him coming out of school.
Really yeah, he was in the league for only two
years at that time. So I mean, you look at
these statistics and everything that he did prior to the
quote unquote steroid era were just unbelievable, let alone. I mean,
so I get the like the moral part of it,
but at the end of the day, like this may sound,
(08:41):
I don't know, like lack of I don't know my
moral compass or whatever it is. But morals don't get
you into the Hall of Fame. Your productions'll talk about
Ty Cobb. Did they say wasn't a good guy?
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Right? Whatever that means?
Speaker 5 (08:57):
Yeah, But I get I love the banter you if
you said, Peter Rosden belong And I do like it's
a great banner, right like I I it doesn't bother
me if you think, and I just know I have
strong feelings about that.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
I hate Trevor Bauer. I think he is an absolute jackass. Okay,
for lack of a better term. If he was one
of the best pitchers in baseball and had that sustained
greatness for fifteen sixteen years and reached three thousand strikeouts,
He's going to be a Hall of Famer, regardless of
how I feel about him as a man, because three
thousand strikeouts usually gets you into the Hall of.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Fame, does it not?
Speaker 5 (09:30):
Hell?
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Yeah, there are there are doesn't matter what your morals are,
there are certain points you get to. Now, voters are
going to look at stuff like that because they're the
quote unquote gatekeepers. I mean, we can go into a
whole another We could spend another hour talking about what
needs to be changed with Hall of Fame voters.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
That is right now, writers are the gatekeepers.
Speaker 5 (09:49):
Okay, well, let me ask you this the real quick.
Shouldn't we have a gatekeeper to watch the gatekeeper?
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (09:56):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
I think I think before this, even we've talked about
this before, Hall of Fame voting in Major League Baseball
is the biggest crock of you know what.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
They need to revamp it completely.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
If a guy cheats on his wife and isn't a
good dad? Should he be in the Baseball Writers Hall
of Fame? You get my part what I'm saying, So,
is anybody keeping track of the gatekeeper? You know that
they're paying attention to what's going on? Right, I'm not
saying they're not. It's just you know, we always have
somebody watching. But who died? Who died and left them
the gatekeeper? Who's the old in those decisions because they
(10:26):
got a pen in their hands.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Who's the old school Uh gosh, dang it, the old
school rider that's in it?
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Might be the guy you're talking about up in Boston.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
He was I'll tell you one about Dan Shaughnessy said
on this show for Rosel too.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
They as we said, right, So there's the guys I
like Dan. Dan comes on the show often, like Dan Shaughnessy.
You take him you you could probably find footage of
him or some of these old school boomer like uh
like high moral compass that were probably cutting it up
with those big leaguers when they're popping steroids left and right, buddied.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
Up with you and drink beer with him.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Yeah about stories from him?
Speaker 1 (10:59):
And now all of a sudden, here we are all look,
Mark Maguire, I was buddy buddy with you. You were giving
me stories left and right. I was making tons of
money and making my career off of you.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
I got on TV now.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Now I got on TV because of my.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
Cover and I'm talking about it right right, But now here.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
We are thirty years later, and oh, by the way,
I'm not letting you in.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
That's the dilemma gate here. And that's the dilemma.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
Yes, whether Dan's that you know Dan, Dan Shaughnessy's opinionated,
and that's just what And I think Dan would probably
admit to you that if he would, out of a
beer said yeah, you know what I did, but I
just have changed it. And he may change this thought
process on altub. But when I had him on that
last year year before, he said, Sean right now, he goes,
I love the guy, just I wouldn't vote for him.
He's steadfast part and standing firm with that. And maybe
(11:44):
it'll change over the years. But there there's more that
feel like Dan Shaughnessy. Though I assure you, oh I can.
I can imagine and assure you. And that's why the
gatekeeper we also need to check. We keep everything else
we add a little young, and are we adding those
type of writers to it that are watching all the games.
If you're going to vote on the Hall of Fame,
you better watch a lot of damn base Yeah. Sure,
I got a lot of respect for their grind and
how hard they work, But you got to put in
the same amount of time the player puts in in
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covering that player to know if they're a Hall of
Famer or not.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Among others, everybody on hold will get to you guys
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right here on Sport Talk seven night
The Shawn Soundsbury Show continued, Let's get back out to
the phone lines seven one, three, two, two five sevenin
you're gonna do some rapid fire here. TRIPLEY will hang
up on you. Let's keep it crisp so everybody can
get in. Ray, you're up first, Good morning, Come, good morning.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
What's up right?
Speaker 3 (00:20):
The reason, the reason why I'm calling is I completely
disagree with you as far as the steroids usage. Uh,
Roger Clemens his character, I mean, he's terrible, but you
have to also let in chewless Joe. I mean, the
guy was being blackmailed by the mob, and in the twenties,
when you're being blackmailed by the mob, you might as
well get your funeral ready.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
But Julis Joe does belong in.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
He does. I agree with you on that. But the
steroids guys, I mean, I don't have a problem with
lying in the Congress. I mean they're just as bad
as the steroid users. But uh, they lied, They lied
to every body. I mean maybe I have a higher
call him boy lion, but uh, you certainly can't in
(01:08):
let you can't let Clemons in. I mean he would
did go to tu So I mean what of that.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
But what does that matter about on the field production.
No one's talking about his character for the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Yeah, he had the cheat to get the on soil production.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Hmm.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
I mean that's your opinion. I mean everybody was doing it,
you know what I mean? Well, that doesn't right, but
I don't think it doesn't make it right. But let
me ask you a question. If you found out just Ray.
And I'm not questioning Ray, I'm just kind of you
know what.
Speaker 5 (01:42):
I love the banter, right, It makes for good Pete Rose, Yes,
gambling sometimes lyon morals value. I love it. I think
it's great conversation. I think I learned something from somebody.
Why you may think it and Brian doesn't, or why
I do? Let me ask you this on a golf course.
If you found out Ty Woods was I'm just using
him as an example because he's so good. If you
(02:04):
found out and you know his grind, Ray, you've watched
him grind and practice all these years. If Tiger Woods,
if you, if you, if you, what were you gonna say?
I'm sorry, go ahead, I'm not a golfer, but just
bet tiger Woods.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
You know Tiger Woods, and you know what it is.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
And so if you found out Tiger Woods was on
steroids two of the times he won the Masters and
one time he won the US Open, that he was
using performance enhancing drugs, what would you say?
Speaker 3 (02:33):
I would say cheated? He I mean, what do you
say to the people who are doing it clean? Oh?
Speaker 5 (02:39):
I know, I know, I'm not saying right, I'm just saying,
what would you say? So it's very similar. You still
got to put contact the ball, got to keep it straight.
I don't know if steroids help you make putts right,
help you hit it farther. I don't know if they
help you hit it straight. Or My point is is
that I get the argument both ways. Now, Barry Bonds
was a Hall of Famer before he took steroids.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
I mean Clements sorry four Cy Youngs, before the steroid
er for Roger Clemons.
Speaker 5 (03:03):
Right, And we don't know and we don't know who
this steroid era, I mean back when Babe Ruth and
those guys were playing where they'd taken uppers to stay
ready to play after drinking all night.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Who knows.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
But I love the banter because I'm trying to figure
out why, why one's good and one isn't for all
of us, because I am say the gambling thing people
made that the worst of them all.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Does Pete Rose belong in the Hall of Fame? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Absolutely, Okay, I mean he paid it, like I said,
he paid his sentence. And the steroid user people are
still saying I never.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
Used right, So they're in denial as Pete was a
long time. They're in more denial now not admitting it.
You know who made think about Andy Pettitt real quick?
Speaker 4 (03:41):
Ray?
Speaker 5 (03:42):
Remember when Andy Pettitt came out and said, yeah, I
use it because I was trying to heal You know
when when when Pettit went he was on the list,
wasn't right? And you know what nobody and I understand
why nobody criticized Andy right, he got out in front
of it said I made a mistake and here's what
I was doing, and now it's all good.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Right.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
So you think it would have been different if they
had come out and said, yes, I tried it because
I was trying to heal an injury.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
I wanted an advantage. How would you have felt about that?
Speaker 3 (04:06):
I don't know if Andy Pettit is telling him the
truth or not. But here's my other conundrum. Uh, do
I think that jose al two belongs in the Hall
of Fame? Yes, I do, absolutely all right, I don't
think he will so right, I don't think you will
because of the scandal.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
Right See, I talked to a Hall of Fame voters
said he won't vote for him.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
You think that many voters are going to keep him out?
Speaker 5 (04:26):
I don't know, but I know this from Boston. I
know he will not vote for him. Yeah, and he
loves al too. They just won't vote for him. So
there's the day. Okay. So even though players have said
he wasn't involved, and I agree with you one hundred percent, Ray,
some are going to say, well, guilt by association, there's.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
No way he would.
Speaker 5 (04:43):
There's some of the people vote for me and say, yeah,
but he's in the clubhouse.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
That's why I'm acting this question about gambling, steroids, the
stealing signals. Where do we draw the line? Josey al
two va is a Hall of Famer. I think enough
are going to get him in. But I do think
it's gonna I don't think he's going to be a
first back. I think some are going to struggle with
it even though they shouldn't. I'm with you one.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
And I got one last question and I'll hang out
to there are other people waiting. I saw the other
day a guy was wearing an ear piece as a
pitcher to hear from the catcher or the manager. I
don't know, how do you guys feel about that? To me,
I think it's taking away the spirit of the game.
And like I said, I'll hang up. I'll hang up
and let you guys answer it.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Thanks ray it. It bothers me a little.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
What ear piece? He is not wearing ear pieces?
Speaker 4 (05:30):
He said he saw one.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
No, there's no ear pieces, and basic the PitchCom has
the thing right here in their hat right now if.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
You're inside the hat, so keep it somewhere for me,
right If it was, yeah, that would bother me because
there's too much care. There's just like it's just like
cutting off the and you had like in quarterbacks, you
got to cut off the communication.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
Like fifteen seconds before the ball snapped. R.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Yeah, there's no ear piece. It's the pitch.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
What they have under their hat is it's the pitch coom.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Thing.
Speaker 5 (05:59):
They don't get constant they don't get constant communication. Their
apiece where like a like a secret service guy does
talking into something. But I understand what Ray's saying about.
That's what I'm saying. Think about the discrepancy, Brian between
and we'll roll through these guys next break. But think
about the discrepancy you and I here steroids? No, yes,
al two A, yes. You know what I'm saying. It's
(06:21):
just the fluctuation of it, right, and so it's not
not says right or wrong. Everybody has their different morals
or the way they approach. How much did it help
on the field if Tiger Woods, if you knew he
was on steroids during the two Masters, well would you
think different of him?
Speaker 4 (06:37):
No?
Speaker 5 (06:38):
Just because he can hit it farther. Still, I don't
know how a steroid helps you make a putt right,
That's what I was going to say, the accuracy, and
you still got to contact the ball.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Do steroids give you an advantage in sports? Do they
give you better Do they give you better vision?
Speaker 4 (06:52):
Do they give you more? Yes? They give you the
bloody get train harder and getting the gym.
Speaker 5 (06:57):
And get it.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
I get all that.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
See that the argument, However, you still got to perform
on the field. If I'm taking steroids and I'm an
Olympic body builder, I can take steroids all day. But
if I don't perform in the gym to get my
body in peak shape.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
What does it matter? I don't know how to pose
right right, I'm not gonna win.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
I don't know if I don't know if Tiger Wood's
chipping in from the bunker has anything to do with
I'm not saying Tiger's, but it would have anything.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
To do with steroids.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
It gets you in the gym more, the recovery is quicker,
all all those things I get, But does it actually
help you see the ball better? Does it actually help
your you know, all those things that go with it.
So those are the questions you got to ask yourself
as you weigh Well, Pete Rose doesn't belong in, but
Roger Clems does.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Barry Bonds belongs in, but Pete Rose doesn't.
Speaker 5 (07:44):
Altuve belongs in because he wasn't doing it here in Houston,
but in other cities they think he was doing it. Really,
it comes down to what a man's word, right, Yep,
that a man's word.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Do You can't?
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Right see?
Speaker 5 (07:57):
But you know, like like we have selective choice, we
all do. Yeah, we all do.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
I just I just look at like Ray brought up
Roger Clemens, like seven time Cy Young he had four
of those prior to the quote unquote steroid era MVP.
He got his MVP in let's see nineteen eighty six.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
That's well before the quote.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Unquote that was fresh off him coming out of school.
Really yeah, he was in the league for only two
years at that time. So I mean, you look at
these statistics and everything that he did prior to the
quote unquote steroid era were just unbelievable, let alone. I mean,
so I get the like the moral part of it,
but at the end of the day, like this may sound,
(08:41):
I don't know, like lack of I don't know my
moral compass or whatever it is. But morals don't get
you into the Hall of Fame. Your productions'll talk about
Ty Cobb. Did they say wasn't a good guy?
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Right? Whatever that means?
Speaker 5 (08:57):
Yeah, But I get I love the banter you if
you said, Peter Rosden belong And I do like it's
a great banner, right like I I it doesn't bother
me if you think, and I just know I have
strong feelings about that.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
I hate Trevor Bauer. I think he is an absolute jackass. Okay,
for lack of a better term. If he was one
of the best pitchers in baseball and had that sustained
greatness for fifteen sixteen years and reached three thousand strikeouts,
He's going to be a Hall of Famer, regardless of
how I feel about him as a man, because three
thousand strikeouts usually gets you into the Hall of.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Fame, does it not?
Speaker 5 (09:30):
Hell?
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Yeah, there are there are doesn't matter what your morals are,
there are certain points you get to. Now, voters are
going to look at stuff like that because they're the
quote unquote gatekeepers. I mean, we can go into a
whole another We could spend another hour talking about what
needs to be changed with Hall of Fame voters.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
That is right now, writers are the gatekeepers.
Speaker 5 (09:49):
Okay, well, let me ask you this the real quick.
Shouldn't we have a gatekeeper to watch the gatekeeper?
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (09:56):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
I think I think before this, even we've talked about
this before, Hall of Fame voting in Major League Baseball
is the biggest crock of you know what.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
They need to revamp it completely.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
If a guy cheats on his wife and isn't a
good dad? Should he be in the Baseball Writers Hall
of Fame? You get my part what I'm saying, So,
is anybody keeping track of the gatekeeper? You know that
they're paying attention to what's going on? Right, I'm not
saying they're not. It's just you know, we always have
somebody watching. But who died? Who died and left them
the gatekeeper? Who's the old in those decisions because they
(10:26):
got a pen in their hands.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Who's the old school Uh gosh, dang it, the old
school rider that's in it?
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Might be the guy you're talking about up in Boston.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
He was I'll tell you one about Dan Shaughnessy said
on this show for Rosel too.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
They as we said, right, So there's the guys I
like Dan. Dan comes on the show often, like Dan Shaughnessy.
You take him you you could probably find footage of
him or some of these old school boomer like uh
like high moral compass that were probably cutting it up
with those big leaguers when they're popping steroids left and right, buddied.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
Up with you and drink beer with him.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Yeah about stories from him?
Speaker 1 (10:59):
And now all of a sudden, here we are all look,
Mark Maguire, I was buddy buddy with you. You were giving
me stories left and right. I was making tons of
money and making my career off of you.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
I got on TV now.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Now I got on TV because of my.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
Cover and I'm talking about it right right, But now here.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
We are thirty years later, and oh, by the way,
I'm not letting you in.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
That's the dilemma gate here. And that's the dilemma.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
Yes, whether Dan's that you know Dan, Dan Shaughnessy's opinionated,
and that's just what And I think Dan would probably
admit to you that if he would, out of a
beer said yeah, you know what I did, but I
just have changed it. And he may change this thought
process on altub. But when I had him on that
last year year before, he said, Sean right now, he goes,
I love the guy, just I wouldn't vote for him.
He's steadfast part and standing firm with that. And maybe
(11:44):
it'll change over the years. But there there's more that
feel like Dan Shaughnessy. Though I assure you, oh I can.
I can imagine and assure you. And that's why the
gatekeeper we also need to check. We keep everything else
we add a little young, and are we adding those
type of writers to it that are watching all the games.
If you're going to vote on the Hall of Fame,
you better watch a lot of damn base Yeah. Sure,
I got a lot of respect for their grind and
how hard they work, But you got to put in
the same amount of time the player puts in in
(12:06):
covering that player to know if they're a Hall of
Famer or not.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Among others, everybody on hold will get to you guys
next seven one, three, two, one two, five, seven ninety
right here on Sport Talk seven night
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