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February 21, 2025 12 mins
After putting together an in-season tournament somewhat like the NBA has done, the NHL has reached a new height in the sports world. The four nations of Finland, Sweden, Canada, and the U.S all in a round-robin format, competed in three game series in which the two best teams went on to compete for the Four Nations Cup. Drawing more attention than expected as the tournament coursed on and following last nights championship match with Canada taking down the U.S., chatter has begun in regards to other leagues like the NBA and NFL not living up to their full and or past potential. Former NHL player P.K. Subban weighs in on the distinguishing factor between the NHL and other leagues that gives hockey an edge over the others. Sean and Brian take a moment in agreeance with Subban and pose the question to listeners, what is it that may be drawing more people to watch other leagues like hockey and soccer in comparison to the usual watched leagues, basketball and football? 
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Lighting shutgun with someone who's thrown from the shotgun.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Football is war, helmet to hammet.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
Sean Salisbury, Brian, you want to see what real football
looks like. This is the Sean Salisbury Show on Sports
Talk seven ninety.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
All right, Sean, what are you hearing out there now?
The Salisbury stakeouts?

Speaker 1 (00:29):
Salisbury takeout on the.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Sean Salisbury Show.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
It's time for the steakout here on the Sewan Salisbury Show,
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Speaker 2 (00:43):
Astros and Nationals.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
Tomorrow first spring training game down to West Palm Beach,
twelve oh five to the first pitch. Rockets and Tea
Wolves over at the Toyota Center tonight eight thirty tip off,
seven thirty lunch bat right here on seven one of
your home four Rockets Basketball.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
All right.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
Canada beat the United States last night in overtime, Conor
McDavid with the game winning goal in the Four Nations
Nations face Off Friendly Best on Best tournament. It was fantastic. Well,
there's been so much talk about how bad the NBA
All Star Game, has been a lot of talk about

(01:22):
how bad the Pro Bowl is for the NFL, and
you just happen to have an exhibition event that the
NHL pretty much put on on a whim and it
was highly successful. It was entertaining, it was competitive, it
was fantastic. PK Subin cooks the NBA, and this is

(01:44):
what he had to say.

Speaker 4 (01:47):
If you're really about sports, then you're about two things,
your teammates and the fans. And I'm sorry, it doesn't
matter how much money you're making. When you do not
show up to play, you're letting your teammates down. When
you do not show up to play, you're letting the
fans down that are paying you forty fifty sixty million.
I don't care if you're getting three hundred million, congratulations,

(02:10):
but these people in here are paying twenty five hundred
dollars a ticket five grand. That are blue collared, hard
working people. If you don't get your head wrapped around that,
you shouldn't be in pro sports because how are we
going to grow? How do we expect you to be
an example? Well, guess what you don't want to be.
You are one. You're on the biggest stage. You just
said it. They make the most money. You're an example.

(02:32):
You gotta show up. You got to take that on.
I'm sick and tired of making athletes greats, all time
greats that aren't the best examples. Those are the people
that we want our kids to follow. That we want
athletes to follow. That helps us in our game. Stephen A.
You want athletes to be educated on this and understand this.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
They got to.

Speaker 4 (02:52):
Understand the importance of showing up to the All Star
Game and being on the court and playing banged up
sometimes and playing injured maybe at times, thank you, and participating.
Because here's the thing, because you're making one hundred two hundred,
three hundred million, you should be out there banged up.
You should be That's why we pay you.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Is to max out.

Speaker 4 (03:13):
We talk about greatness in it being the longevity of
somebody's career. I don't care if you play fifty years.
I want your best ten. I want you on the
court dominating. I want you to go all out. I
want Michael Jordan, I want Kobe That's what I want
in every sport. That's the guy that I follow. If
you're a different version than that, you don't get my respect.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
Ah, there's a PK soup, and if you don't know
what PK subin is. He played thirteen years in the NHL.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
He is, how do you add to that? He correct, Oh,
I'm a little but we hold. But you know, there
is a whether you like it or not. There's some
great players that aren't getting paid a lot, and there's
some overpaid players that don't do a lot that are
making more money than they probably should. But then there's
the guy who makes a lot of money and should
that shows up every night and you have to and

(04:01):
we just expect you to do. Oh well, I'm not
feeling well, Oh well, you got a little bit of
a cold. Guess what, Take some musinex and get your
ass on the court. I have zero sympathy, I do.
I have zero sympathy. I'll be honest with you. I
don't even have sympathy. If you've put forty minutes in
one night and you got to play a back to backer,
I really don't. I don't. Oh man, I'm tired. Well,

(04:24):
you know what, get in line, pal, get in line.
I just say, right, when you're making that kind of money,
sometimes you just got a sacrifice in PK is exactly right.
You do it for your obviously you do it for you,
but that's why we pay you a lot of money.
But if you don't have your teammates and the fans
one to two and what you're trying to get accomplished.
You do your job, and you do it with your
teammates in mine and fans in mind. You'll never be wrong.

(04:46):
You'll never be wrong as an athlete. You may not
perform your best every night, but you show up post
every night, I'll get more. Put it this way, if
you post every night, I'll have a lot more respect
for you then if you post once in a while.
But you're a great player. Uh, toughness to me. Toughness
to me, garner's far more respect. Doing something when you

(05:06):
don't want to do it, when you're tired, or when
you're going. That's the sign of truth. Can you Can
you get through something when you don't want to do it.
It's easy to do it when everybody wants to do it.
PK su Man.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
Spot on what was the crazy UH stat for Joel
Embiid in the NBA.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
Four hundred and plus He's played like four hundred and
eighty games and missed like four hundred and forty whatever
it is. They're both in the four hundreds in his career. Yes,
he's almost fifty to fifty have played and missed.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
As of three weeks ago, it was four hundred and
forty six games played, four hundred missed.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
And I can tell you this right now. If you
really believe that four hundred times Joel Embiid was hurt
too much to go play or injured, that's a bold
faced BS lie. As well, he was not hurt four
hundred times. He may have been tired and missed a game,
which to me is inexcusable. I've got zero sympathy, zero sympathy.

(06:01):
I've watched guys that had no business playing in a
football game still show up. And if you're asking me, well,
you think football athletes are tougher, I absolutely do. I
absolutely do. Do I think hockey players are tougher and
maybe tougher in football. Do I think rugby players are
tougher than what we say? I absolutely do, Yes, I do,
I one percent, unequivocally. It's not a blanket savement because

(06:24):
there's some tough people out there, yeah, no doubt, but
that could play other sports and be tough and play
every night. But save the comparisons, okay, and PK su
bands one hundred percent correct. The athletes are great. The Uh,
what's the word. I'm talking about? The want to and
the ability to have a higher threshold of pain is different.

(06:46):
And if unless you expose somebody to a threshold of pain,
guess what, they ain't gonna have it. So yeah, because
you're tired and had played forty minutes the night before.
So are we going to start giving college basketball kids
the night off when they go forty minutes, play scored,
thirty defended on a Tuesday, then got to play somebody
on a Friday or Saturday the next Yeah, man, I

(07:06):
need a day off. No, Tom Izzod look at you,
and Kelvin Sam's looking at Yeah, me too. But guess what,
we don't get a day off right now? You just
had one. We're going to play so I don't. And
well that's that's tough guy attitude. Yeah, PK su band
gets it, because don't ever mention when it comes to
day to day toughness an NBA player compared to a

(07:27):
hockey player, there is no there is no comparison.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
How many games do you think Anthony Davis is missing
his career? Three hundred close, well, two hundred and thirty two.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
I mean, you tell me if you miss as many
as you play in it's a problem. And there's plenty
of times he hasn't. He's he's been perfectly healthy, sitting
in street clothes. Davis and Joe Ellenbiid Anthony Davis.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
Back in twenty fifteen, Sean missed fourteen games with a
sprain toe. He missed twenty six games in twenty nine.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
In basketball, that feels like fifteen games, like four months.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
He missed twenty six games sewn in twenty nineteen because
of a sprain finger.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
Well, back in the day, I can remember a couple
of guys taping up two fingers, yeah, to get sprained finger.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
Yeah. Okay, So let's missed fourteen games at one point
for backspasms.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
Take a painkiller and go play. Sorry, so well we
don't occurag that I do. You got to get on
the court. Yeah, Hey, what'll get you on the court?
A painkiller shot? Okay? Well, what if when I'm ninety
seven it affects me and I lose two days on
my life? Oh well? Oh well, if you're thinking, hey, man,
I was ninety said, had I not taken that shot
when I was twenty nine, I might live five more
days till I'm one hundred and two great, awesome. Okay,

(08:46):
I don't I don't want to hear it. Okay, I'm sorry.
And PK Suban spot on and it's a loud message.
And if you're if you fight it, have at it.
It's not that it gets hoop players. It's just we've
created an environment for a soft blanding every day. Let's see,
there's no comparison when it comes to hockey and the
other guys, not at all. I'm trying to see how
many greats you can't listen. When's the last time a

(09:10):
right winger or a defenseman did Chris Chellios miss a
game because he was tired because he had to play
on a bunch of shifts the night before. No, guess
what he does sit in a cold tub and play
the next night and know you're gonna probably get in
a fight and get hit with a puck right across
the teeth. Okay, I mean, I just I don't get it.

(09:30):
And that's that's a big reason why the NBA has
lost a lot of value. Yeah, it comes to people watching.
They're not complaining about the talent. The brand of basketball
is a little bit different. The talent's extraordinary and there's
some tough guys. But if you're talking about just pure
watching a game and knowing that everything out there is

(09:51):
fighting for every no, there's a big difference, and there's
some great, some phenomenal talent. It doesn't mean they couldn't
have played nineteen seventy could just the way you approached
it was different. But to sit here and tell us that,
and you know what, They're going to just roll a
guy like Joel embid into the Hall of Fame. Yeah,

(10:11):
as they they're going to roll him in because he's
played well and was an MVP and he's a hell
of a talent. Hey man, but I got news for you.
They don't know how to spell durability. And the reason
I say that if you're not going to games, guess
what they know how to spell night off. I'm not
sure durability is at the top of their list. And
so I can spell night off, and I can spell
when I'm in there, I can dominate, And he's damn right.

(10:33):
Those guys are Those are two of the most gifted
centers we've ever had, talent wise, and Anthony Davis and
Joel Embiid. But hey, look at a teammate. Amen I'm
a little tired, man. I'm gonna take this one off.
Oh okay, you mean four hundred of them. Now, there's
some of those. He's been really he's been injured. Me out.
I get it, but don't don't sell me on. Yeah

(10:55):
that guy, man. Durability alone has got to be part
of your process of when we talk about the all
time greats. I got to have you out there, all
time great talent, one thing, all time great player. You
got to play more than you sit to be thrown
to that category.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
Zion Williamson has had the possibility of playing in four
hundred and eleven games in his career. So far, he's
missed two hundred and twenty one of those.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
Well, here comes number three, and that is that is
over fifty. Here comes number three and those three cats
together put talent together is a twelve out of ten.
But their durability doesn't even make a one. They're all
built like glass. A lot of that's not just physical. Yeah, okay,
I can tell you that now. M mm hmmmm, fifty

(11:37):
of your game. Some people listen, it may not like it.
It doesn't I don't, but PK. Sue Man is spot on.
It's facts it is. That's do the metrics facts. Yeah,
you want to follow that metrics card you get and
analytics do those talent? Yes? Does he show up every night?
Absolutely not.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
Seven seven ninety is the number to join at the
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Speaker 2 (12:07):
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