May 7, 2025 • 9 mins
Concluding their series against Milwaukee set to tee-off shortly this afternoon and following back-to-back Game 1 and 2 losses, the Astros add another series loss to the list now putting them below .500 at a standing of 17-18. Taking a moment in assessing what may be the underlying issue in the Astros setback, now losing 5 of their last 6 games coming off a solid series win over the Tigers, Sean and Dan share what they believe has caused the Astros to retract the great run they've attained this early in the schedule.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You know, just something you know, Sean is we've heard
I mean a couple of nights ago Joe A. Spottas
speaking with the media. Hey, these bats will get going.
You know, we'll find our grooves. So many words that
he said of saying that they they still believe that
they have not necessarily gotten this line up to the
potential that it can reach. We hear Dana Brown every
single week with us, which normally today at nine thirty
is when he joins us. He'll join us tomorrow at
(00:22):
nine thirty. But what if I told you that there's
only so much of a shelf life to believing that,
because the main reason is you're not going to be
getting two ninety nine and seven eighty two. Uh, Jake Myers,
that's not going to happen. He's going to stop being
hot at the plate. He's going to stop having You know,
(00:42):
even the outs are a loud right now.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
You know one that he had there.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
He just history. What if this year is different? Well,
what if he has an out of body experience? Remember
we said at the begin to hear something on seasons
like this, when you've lost a bunch of players, somebody
else has step up and have kind of a career year, right,
we said that two of them had, right, what if
Jake's one of them?
Speaker 3 (01:02):
It'd be nice? But I just I think that still
with I told.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
You he hit two seventy two with it eighteen home runs,
seventy runs bad in sixty five seventy runs.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Bad it in? And what would you say?
Speaker 1 (01:17):
I can't do a backflip, but I'm doing like the
hand motion of a backflip.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
That's what I would do.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
I would do a back You think he comes in
at twelve home runs fifty two RBIs hitting two thirty Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
That's yes. And where you are right now?
Speaker 1 (01:32):
What we're thirty five games into the season, still a
long way to go? Yeah, when we're still there's still
a long way if this elevator can go.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
When where you buy in all Star break? If he's
hitting two eighty one at the All Star break, you
think this is his year?
Speaker 3 (01:45):
He's sitting two eighty one at the All Star break?
He is an All Star?
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Okay, now back to reality anyway, Yeah, Kitty, I hope that,
I you know, hopefully.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Sure, But remember you can throw Jeremy Peney in there too, right.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
The thing I'm thinking about is we we've seen the
history of Jake Myers, right, sure about it? At the
plated stellar defense, stellar defense average arm piecent arm average,
not a plus arm, not a plus average, not a
plus arm, but good range and good defensive player and
below average hitter. Yes, but why though? Think about these
(02:22):
years since Springer left. Who have they trying to force
feed you at center field? No matter who the general
manager is, who's or the manager, who's it been Myers,
Dusty the spot a click?
Speaker 3 (02:34):
He was here with click? Yes, Ja and uh and
obviously Dana Brown.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
So I'll ask you, did they see something in him
that says he's more He's closer to this guy potentially
than the guy we always see at the plate that
he's just remember coming out of last spring training, they
gave him all this confidence. We want to play him.
We believe in Jake and like the guy trying to
believe in himself in the plate. So maybe he's a
(03:00):
guy that needs approval. Yeah, you know, there's there's guys
like that that needs that pat on the back is
opposed to a kick in the ass. Maybe maybe the
only reason I'm saying this, I'm trying to hold out
hope that maybe that do we get a two seventy
or two sixty five guy? But why would you continue
to every single different person who comes in here pushed
a narrative that that's our guy. They they have given
(03:20):
him every opportunity to lose the job. Let alone keep it,
I think, And he's keeping it now. So this is
the final rung on the ladder if it doesn't improve.
So but is there something too that all these different
bodies believe that that's their center fielder?
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Yeah, or you think it's just defense, it's for two things.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
It's well, may see something we haven't seen yet with
theirs his swing, and that over the course time that
they expect him to be a better hitter.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Than he's been in his career. Two point five.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
It's the speed and it's the defensive metrics that he
gives you out there in center field. Again, the speed covers,
but two forty plus is a bonus, is what you're saying.
But the point five is the power component that he
has because while he does have a lot of swing
in miss he is a guy that has shown you.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
You run into something. Yeah, oh yeah, so I just kisous.
I'm trying to glass that full. I get it. I'm
trying to just get the other Well, what if, well,
what if he is a different guy. What if this
is his year where he steps up. What if the
constant belief that this team and organization have shown him
to be the starting center fielder every day, that this
is the way they believed he could hit. Now, I
(04:24):
think they've seen enough evidence to say it's going to
take more than that the thirty some games into the season,
but man, it sure is an up Listen, he could
be hitting one ninety seven and we'll be saying, here
we go again. At least he's given you something to say. Okay,
at least in the first you've needed some of his
bat and he's come through. So until he proves different
this year, I'm going to judge him this year, and
(04:45):
he's been a pleasant surprise offensively. But yeah, if a
future's bet Dan, you'd be getting some really good odds
in your favor money wise, they would say, yeah, bet
this guy's not going to do what he's doing now,
and you're gonna get odds because the odds to say that.
You know, if you said, well he is gonna put
it this way, you get better odds. I'm talking about
(05:06):
to make a lot of money if you bet the
fact that this was going to continue, right, if you've
got a future's bet, and you wouldn't get the odds
if because they'd favor the oh he'll hit two eighteen
or two twenty one. So if if you bet on
a future bet that this is who he is, you're
gonna get some pretty good odds and making money in
your favor.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
We've covered this obviously with jord On. We know that
he's better than what he's shown, and we'll see how
long he's going to be out and what he looks
like when he comes back. Janer Diez, he is better
than a two to twenty three hitter, at least we
believe a little bit of a smaller sample size than
we have with jord On. But Jose Altuve, I mean,
ever since you know, the hotter start to the season,
it's now down to two fifty four. It's about fifty
(05:43):
points less than what his career average is at three
h five. And I understand people are gonna say, oh,
batting average, it's a you know, it's an archaic stat whatever,
it still shows me that he's getting on base. That's
and not only are you getting on base, that you're
hitting the baseball to get on base, right, So I've
got that, But I mean east Soak peretis. You know,
he's twenty points higher than his career average right now
(06:04):
at two fifty four, So that's going to come back
a little bit. And then Christian Walker, obviously all know
a slow start. He's about two fifty hitter in his career.
He's bat in two oh three, so maybe I mean
you will start to get a little bit more out
of him.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
And with Christian Walker, we figured the slugging would be.
We didn't expect him to hit two eighty five, right,
two fifty six with twenty five home see.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
And that's the he just touched on it right there,
because I mean, you know, he gets a base hit
last night, it's like all right, yeah, hey, hey, there
you go. You know that that that could get him going.
I don't need a base hit out of him. I've
got a guy on base right there. I need one
going over the wall. That's that's what I paid him
the money to come over from Arizona to do. That's
what he's supposed to do.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
And you expected and Rogers has been do it well,
depending on the ballpark. I mean, in Colorado was a good,
solid hitter and a really good glove. So what are
you going to get out of him in this ballpark?
Speaker 3 (06:56):
The majority?
Speaker 1 (06:56):
That's another one too. Make a choice, make a choice
at second base.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
And going with it.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
I don't last see. I don't like by committee. That's
just not my style. I've told you a million times.
I want the lineup to be if I know we're
good one hundred and forty five, one hundred and fifty games,
I don't have to check the lineup card.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
That's just how I feel. But I'm not Joe Spotted,
and it's I mean, and that's just it.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
I mean, I understand what Mauricio Dubon has done for you,
but I don't come off of what we talked about
during spring training.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Brendan Rodgers is my second basement.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
The numbers aren't that necessarily different, but I want the
freedom to be able to play Mauricio Dubon at other places.
And it's also too I mean, you hear Joe spot
after the game last night. Ah, you know I told
Brendan Rodgers to be a good day to get his
first home run. Well, you know what else would be
a good thing playing him there every single day, so
then maybe he can start to find that a little bit.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
I don't know, Yeah, I guess I don't know why
we're so enamored. I mean, and I love Joe, I do,
but the why we're so enamored with constantly having to
make sure that everybody gets a swing every other day
or so, to me, I'm gonna win this thing with
the guys that did start, and you're gonna need the
extra guys. Don't misunderstand their important Descenzo to come and
get a home run. But I'm not winning a World
(08:06):
Series platoon on a regular video.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
I'm just not.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
I need to get healthy and to get a lineup
and to get it going, because that's and then and
then you've got to have those games, a handful of
them a year, or twenty of them a year, where
those guys come in and do their thing like Descenzo
has or like Dubon when he gets three hits in
the game, all those things. But you're winning championships with
your core of your team or the core of your
starting lineup, unless, of course, the guy you put him
(08:32):
in and put him in there and he just sucks,
then well guess what, then you got to put somebody
else in there and keep them in there. I just
to me, the rhythm and continuity that you're going to
talk about with the rockets is going to be important
in game regularly. I just I'm one of those guys
that likes to settle it and let them play their
way into it and play it or play their way
out of it. Put the put the bat in their hand,
and let's see what happens. I'm not a big to
(08:54):
change the lineup one hundred and forty times a year.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
You just merge us onto an entrance ramp because that's
where we're gonna go next. Right here, it is Sean
Salzberra Show, Sports Talk seven ninety
You know, just something you know, Sean is we've heard
I mean a couple of nights ago Joe A. Spottas
speaking with the media. Hey, these bats will get going.
You know, we'll find our grooves. So many words that
he said of saying that they they still believe that
they have not necessarily gotten this line up to the
potential that it can reach. We hear Dana Brown every
single week with us, which normally today at nine thirty
is when he joins us. He'll join us tomorrow at
(00:22):
nine thirty. But what if I told you that there's
only so much of a shelf life to believing that,
because the main reason is you're not going to be
getting two ninety nine and seven eighty two. Uh, Jake Myers,
that's not going to happen. He's going to stop being
hot at the plate. He's going to stop having You know,
(00:42):
even the outs are a loud right now.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
You know one that he had there.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
He just history. What if this year is different? Well,
what if he has an out of body experience? Remember
we said at the begin to hear something on seasons
like this, when you've lost a bunch of players, somebody
else has step up and have kind of a career year, right,
we said that two of them had, right, what if
Jake's one of them?
Speaker 3 (01:02):
It'd be nice? But I just I think that still
with I told.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
You he hit two seventy two with it eighteen home runs,
seventy runs bad in sixty five seventy runs.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Bad it in? And what would you say?
Speaker 1 (01:17):
I can't do a backflip, but I'm doing like the
hand motion of a backflip.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
That's what I would do.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
I would do a back You think he comes in
at twelve home runs fifty two RBIs hitting two thirty Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
That's yes. And where you are right now?
Speaker 1 (01:32):
What we're thirty five games into the season, still a
long way to go? Yeah, when we're still there's still
a long way if this elevator can go.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
When where you buy in all Star break? If he's
hitting two eighty one at the All Star break, you
think this is his year?
Speaker 3 (01:45):
He's sitting two eighty one at the All Star break?
He is an All Star?
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Okay, now back to reality anyway, Yeah, Kitty, I hope that,
I you know, hopefully.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Sure, But remember you can throw Jeremy Peney in there too, right.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
The thing I'm thinking about is we we've seen the
history of Jake Myers, right, sure about it? At the
plated stellar defense, stellar defense average arm piecent arm average,
not a plus arm, not a plus average, not a
plus arm, but good range and good defensive player and
below average hitter. Yes, but why though? Think about these
(02:22):
years since Springer left. Who have they trying to force
feed you at center field? No matter who the general
manager is, who's or the manager, who's it been Myers,
Dusty the spot a click?
Speaker 3 (02:34):
He was here with click? Yes, Ja and uh and
obviously Dana Brown.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
So I'll ask you, did they see something in him
that says he's more He's closer to this guy potentially
than the guy we always see at the plate that
he's just remember coming out of last spring training, they
gave him all this confidence. We want to play him.
We believe in Jake and like the guy trying to
believe in himself in the plate. So maybe he's a
(03:00):
guy that needs approval. Yeah, you know, there's there's guys
like that that needs that pat on the back is
opposed to a kick in the ass. Maybe maybe the
only reason I'm saying this, I'm trying to hold out
hope that maybe that do we get a two seventy
or two sixty five guy? But why would you continue
to every single different person who comes in here pushed
a narrative that that's our guy. They they have given
(03:20):
him every opportunity to lose the job. Let alone keep it,
I think, And he's keeping it now. So this is
the final rung on the ladder if it doesn't improve.
So but is there something too that all these different
bodies believe that that's their center fielder?
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Yeah, or you think it's just defense, it's for two things.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
It's well, may see something we haven't seen yet with
theirs his swing, and that over the course time that
they expect him to be a better hitter.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Than he's been in his career. Two point five.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
It's the speed and it's the defensive metrics that he
gives you out there in center field. Again, the speed covers,
but two forty plus is a bonus, is what you're saying.
But the point five is the power component that he
has because while he does have a lot of swing
in miss he is a guy that has shown you.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
You run into something. Yeah, oh yeah, so I just kisous.
I'm trying to glass that full. I get it. I'm
trying to just get the other Well, what if, well,
what if he is a different guy. What if this
is his year where he steps up. What if the
constant belief that this team and organization have shown him
to be the starting center fielder every day, that this
is the way they believed he could hit. Now, I
(04:24):
think they've seen enough evidence to say it's going to
take more than that the thirty some games into the season,
but man, it sure is an up Listen, he could
be hitting one ninety seven and we'll be saying, here
we go again. At least he's given you something to say. Okay,
at least in the first you've needed some of his
bat and he's come through. So until he proves different
this year, I'm going to judge him this year, and
(04:45):
he's been a pleasant surprise offensively. But yeah, if a
future's bet Dan, you'd be getting some really good odds
in your favor money wise, they would say, yeah, bet
this guy's not going to do what he's doing now,
and you're gonna get odds because the odds to say that.
You know, if you said, well he is gonna put
it this way, you get better odds. I'm talking about
(05:06):
to make a lot of money if you bet the
fact that this was going to continue, right, if you've
got a future's bet, and you wouldn't get the odds
if because they'd favor the oh he'll hit two eighteen
or two twenty one. So if if you bet on
a future bet that this is who he is, you're
gonna get some pretty good odds and making money in
your favor.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
We've covered this obviously with jord On. We know that
he's better than what he's shown, and we'll see how
long he's going to be out and what he looks
like when he comes back. Janer Diez, he is better
than a two to twenty three hitter, at least we
believe a little bit of a smaller sample size than
we have with jord On. But Jose Altuve, I mean,
ever since you know, the hotter start to the season,
it's now down to two fifty four. It's about fifty
(05:43):
points less than what his career average is at three
h five. And I understand people are gonna say, oh,
batting average, it's a you know, it's an archaic stat whatever,
it still shows me that he's getting on base. That's
and not only are you getting on base, that you're
hitting the baseball to get on base, right, So I've
got that, But I mean east Soak peretis. You know,
he's twenty points higher than his career average right now
(06:04):
at two fifty four, So that's going to come back
a little bit. And then Christian Walker, obviously all know
a slow start. He's about two fifty hitter in his career.
He's bat in two oh three, so maybe I mean
you will start to get a little bit more out
of him.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
And with Christian Walker, we figured the slugging would be.
We didn't expect him to hit two eighty five, right,
two fifty six with twenty five home see.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
And that's the he just touched on it right there,
because I mean, you know, he gets a base hit
last night, it's like all right, yeah, hey, hey, there
you go. You know that that that could get him going.
I don't need a base hit out of him. I've
got a guy on base right there. I need one
going over the wall. That's that's what I paid him
the money to come over from Arizona to do. That's
what he's supposed to do.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
And you expected and Rogers has been do it well,
depending on the ballpark. I mean, in Colorado was a good,
solid hitter and a really good glove. So what are
you going to get out of him in this ballpark?
Speaker 3 (06:56):
The majority?
Speaker 1 (06:56):
That's another one too. Make a choice, make a choice
at second base.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
And going with it.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
I don't last see. I don't like by committee. That's
just not my style. I've told you a million times.
I want the lineup to be if I know we're
good one hundred and forty five, one hundred and fifty games,
I don't have to check the lineup card.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
That's just how I feel. But I'm not Joe Spotted,
and it's I mean, and that's just it.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
I mean, I understand what Mauricio Dubon has done for you,
but I don't come off of what we talked about
during spring training.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Brendan Rodgers is my second basement.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
The numbers aren't that necessarily different, but I want the
freedom to be able to play Mauricio Dubon at other places.
And it's also too I mean, you hear Joe spot
after the game last night. Ah, you know I told
Brendan Rodgers to be a good day to get his
first home run. Well, you know what else would be
a good thing playing him there every single day, so
then maybe he can start to find that a little bit.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
I don't know, Yeah, I guess I don't know why
we're so enamored. I mean, and I love Joe, I do,
but the why we're so enamored with constantly having to
make sure that everybody gets a swing every other day
or so, to me, I'm gonna win this thing with
the guys that did start, and you're gonna need the
extra guys. Don't misunderstand their important Descenzo to come and
get a home run. But I'm not winning a World
(08:06):
Series platoon on a regular video.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
I'm just not.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
I need to get healthy and to get a lineup
and to get it going, because that's and then and
then you've got to have those games, a handful of
them a year, or twenty of them a year, where
those guys come in and do their thing like Descenzo
has or like Dubon when he gets three hits in
the game, all those things. But you're winning championships with
your core of your team or the core of your
starting lineup, unless, of course, the guy you put him
(08:32):
in and put him in there and he just sucks,
then well guess what, then you got to put somebody
else in there and keep them in there. I just
to me, the rhythm and continuity that you're going to
talk about with the rockets is going to be important
in game regularly. I just I'm one of those guys
that likes to settle it and let them play their
way into it and play it or play their way
out of it. Put the put the bat in their hand,
and let's see what happens. I'm not a big to
(08:54):
change the lineup one hundred and forty times a year.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
You just merge us onto an entrance ramp because that's
where we're gonna go next. Right here, it is Sean
Salzberra Show, Sports Talk seven ninety
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