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Speaker 1 (00:07):
You're listening to the Marcus lush Night's podcast from News Talks.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
I'd be.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Greetings, welcome, how are you? My name is Marcus here
on midnight tonight. So yeah, that was I was in
town slightly earlier, so I was just sifting around. I
got a call too from from Dan, my producer, said
can you get to the airport please and give us
an iran's report. There was a plane that had had
flames were seen on takeoff. So yeah, I sort it
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wasn't quite sure what was going on, but I was
only about the short distance from the airport, so I
went there, but the road to the airport was blocked off,
so went round across the stream from the airport. Actually
I wasn't quite sure. I said on the that quote
I was a kilometer away, but I went back and
remeasured and actually was exactly a kilometer. So there you go.
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Go forget anyway, So I watched the plane land and
what was extraordinars This is the plane that had taken
off from from Queenstown, a Virgin Airline flight to mel
that it hit birds I think on takeoff that's what assumed.
But just went there and watched it land. A large
number of emergency vehicles were there, ambulances and fire engines
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and police blocking off the road. So yeah, but the
amazing thing was well, I mean all sorts of amazing things,
and thankfully everyone seems to be all right. But I
was just across from the way Hawpie River watching it
down on Bond Street, corner of Bond and Anyway Bond
Place in Bond Street, I think. But the most amazing
thing was how many people were there. There were like
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the city had come to a standstill with people watching it.
So it shows how quickly that people I guess from
looking at the Queen's I don't know where they fund on,
but there was a lot of people there watching the
plane land. But it seems as though everything is fine.
Some of those people that thought they were going to
be in Melbourne are now in inver Cargo. So everyone's
got any more information about that, do let me know.
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Funny enough, I was just watching a program the weekend
about Heathrow Airport, one of those you know, fly on
the wall type shows, and they dealt with bird strike.
It's quite a big deal, isn't it. I Mean, obviously,
if you can make an engine catch fire, so everything
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I can see so far appears as though that the
plane is fine, and I don't think anyone has had
to go or been transformed to the hospital, So I
think that's according to the evidence company, that everyone has
been right there. I don't know why it landed at Invericago.
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I don't know if it was there because they could
dump fuel at sea, or if it's just a much
more straightforward airport to land than Queenstown, probably the last,
maybe a combination of both. And for those that don't
know the history of Invocago Airport, it's got a long
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history because what happened. I think when Sir Tim Shadbolt
became mayor, he extended the airport to make it fit
for international flights, which was a bit of a folly
because there's no demand for it. But I think because
of that, the plane could land at the airport because
I had the extended runway that could fit the Boeing
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plane to land there. The seven three seven And in
a further maybe a twist to that, the in Vicago
airport is now known as the Sir Tim Shadbolt Airport. However,
there have been delays in the naming of the airport
and getting the signs of I don't know why it
seems indecent to me, but that's the situation there within
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Vicago Airport, which is now the Sir Tim Shadbolt Airport.
But yeah, so it's all happening in flight, because I
tell you what, there was a flight from Queenstown also
or two Queenstown maybe, yeah, two queens down the last
twenty four hours I think where people were injured because
of turbulence with coffee being spilt, hot drinks being spilt.
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So I imagine before too long, hot drinks would be
a thing of the place. Dam planes. Anyway, if anyone's
got any more information about that, I'd be curious to
know from you if you've got some more information about
that plane. But I presume that everyone's going to stay
locally and in Vicago, and I presume they'll fly. I
don't know what happened to the flight or the plane,
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because what would happen now. They'd need to fix the engine,
wouldn't they. And you can't fly the engine to be
fixed because you so I presume now that have to
come and dismantle the engine and do something like that.
So maybe the plane stays there for a while. I
don't know what's going to happen there, but you might
have some more information about that. It'd be nice to
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hear from you. Eight hundred and eighty twenty nine to
nine two detect. That's the latest news happen over the
last hours. Bird stroke. I don't know if I've been
aware of a bird strike instant causing an engine to
catch fire before. Is it something that someone that someone's
got memories of, because there's video footage that could show
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the flames from the plane coming out intermittently. But yeah,
of course people concern also to understand why the plane
would have been in the air for an hour, And
someone on board the plane said, trust me, I could
feel the flames as we took off. I'm sitting just
behind the wing on the right hand side, full view
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of the light show. The passenger said, yeah, Brian, it's Marcus.
Good evening and welcome.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
In Marcus. And what's the weather light down in the
capital of the South Holand.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
It's freezing actually, I was surprised how cold it was.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
It's currently ten degrees here in christ Touch.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
Okay, yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
The reason the plane had to go to Invacao. I
had to fly around for an ad had a dump
fuel okay, and then the reason why it had the
cargo was in the cargo.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Airport has a.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
Longer runway okay, whereas with Queenstown they need both engines,
so once they touch down in Queenstown they can cut
reverse on both engines. Okay, that's what went in the cargo.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
That's a great explanation, Brian. Hey, Brian, are you and
are you in aviation? Are you involved in them? Just
a fan?
Speaker 4 (06:39):
I have done a little bit of flying.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Okay, Well you know when they dump fuel, do you
have to do that oversea?
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (06:48):
There's buddy rules and regulations.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Okay, what what you come out of?
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Yep, so you would have You would imagine despite the
airport length, I'd still have to go over the sea
somewhere to dump the fuel, wouldn't they.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
Yeah, because you're not the how to dump it over populated?
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Okay. Oh that's good information. Yeah, because I do notice
every time I've landed at Queenstown Airport they put on
the picks pretty quick to slow it down. Yeah, okay,
appreciate that, Brian. That's good information. So there you go.
It's two hundred k's between Vicargo airport and Queenstown Airport.
So what they would have done is that flowing around,
dump the fuel, then land at the longer airport. The
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longer airport that in Vicargo report has that isn't really
required because very very really the jets land there. Oh no,
that's not quite right, because of the regular jet between
Auckland and Chicago because of that now, so so it's yeah,
it probably is utilized. That's a good point. I came
to back on the jet last Thursday, last Tuesday with
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very few people on it. Always a lot of people
on the way up, are not so many on the
way down. Don't know why that is. Anyway, get in
touch by name is Marcus hit or Midnight that we
are talking about. Tell you what I wonder and I
don't want to become I don't want to become overly
dramatic because freaks people out. But the way I wonder
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if in fifty years time will still be flying in aeroplanes.
It's certainly been a lively time for aviation. Firstly, there
is the turbulence that seems to be increasing, and then
the bird strikes, which I don't know if they're increasing.
I guess there's probably less birds rather than more birds.
And also the problems with Boeing. I think the latest
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situation from Boeing is that they are in trouble because
they've found counterfeit titanium. Now, how would you know what
that is? So you've got no idea what that's going
to mean for aviation, But yeah, that's what Boeing had
found that counterfeit titanium was used in some Boeing and
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Earbus jets. So I don't know if counterfeit titanium is
actually titanium. It's a bit I don't know understand anyway,
keep your texts coming through to nine to nine two text.
But that's good information from you, Brian. I appreciate that
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about the runway, and do come through if you've got anything.
And to add to the drama and Invoca, there hasn't
been this much drama in Vicago since forever. Clive X
air Line pilot, why land it in Voicago runway is
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longer than another alternate being deneeded single engine landing safer
on longer runway. Clive the X A Line pilot is
also texted through Boeing seven three seven cannot dump fuel
and Jens says high Marcus, that flight from Queenstown was
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the most watched flight on flight track around the world
when it was landing an in Chicago. That's from jan
Someone says bird strike can include a bird getting sucked
into an engine, which can do a pile of damage
and probably means the engine get shut off for the
rest of the flight. Well, I think there was flames
and it must have got shut off. But I wonder
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now how they what they do? Do they bring down crews,
maintenance crews to dismantle that engine? Does the airline now
does the plane now stay at in Chicago because there
wouldn't be the maintenance people there for that. If anyone's
got the information about that, I'm kind of fascinated about this.
Get in touch Marcus till midnight, oh eight hundred and
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eighty ten. Text Peter says, Marcus, Indicago Airport isn't surrounded
by mountains, and it's a good length to take a
large plane. Also because of Queenstown Airport's limited approach due
to the mountain, large planes must have both engines working
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to provide breaking. The other thing I probably need to
say about in Vicago Airport it's underwater. Well, no, it's
not underwater, it's below sea level and there is a
statement now from Virgin air Airlines. Good afternoon. We have
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listened to your coverage regarding V eight one four eight
sharing below. Our latest statement will include your publication or
on any further communications attributed to attributable to Virgin Australia
Chief Operations Officer Stuart Aggs. Virgin Australia V eight one
four eight from Queenstown to Melbourne diverted to in Vocago
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Airport and landed safely following a possible bird strike on
take of this evening. The aircraft has been met by
emergency service in Vicago Airport. The safety of our guests
and crew is our highest priority and that's all from
them at that stage. So that's the situation we've got.
I'll just see I'll just do a quick Google suits
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for in Very Cagle and see if there's any other
news from that around the world. They're all saying possible
birds strike and that's all the information I've got at
the stage, So do get in touch if you want
to talk cool about this or anything else. Oh eight
hundred I have the other topics for tonight. It's made
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the Daily Telegraph look it's an aussy paper. So I
think now with flight radar and flight trekking planes that
have been diverted becomes quite big news quite quickly. That's
a situation, oh eight hundred eight. And I appreciate too
all the ovation people have got in touch with this
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with about that. It's good information. So Marcus was in this.
This is a nice text because I can actually I
can visualize you. I don't I don't know you, but
I can visualize you. Was in the spa at Lake
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Haeser State, huge noise through the valley, massive explosions every second,
only managed to get enough altitude to turn and head
to Kingston. Wow. I don't know which way it would
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have been taking off. I presume it was taking off
heading east, but maybe it wasn't. Maybe it was taking
off the other way, because that's right, the only way
to actually fly to in Vocab without getting altitude. I
mean in Vocab was the only place you can get
to without having to attain altitude because it's an old
river valley down Kingston, right down that way. So I
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presume that's the way they have come. So maybe it
was the situation there. Also, it couldn't get the altitude
to get to Dnina anywhere else Marcus just at Walworth.
Any beer and wine recommendations, Well, winnte you'd want to
go for something? Yeah, no, I think that's probably not
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my my brief. It's good question drinking on a Monday?
Is that the right thing to do? Twenty one past eight.
If you've got any more information, we've heard from everyone
now the residents at Lake Hazer State huge noise through
the valley, so I presume it must have taken over
that way, then turned around, gone down Lake Wakatipu, over
Kingston athel Garston, Lumsden, Winton out to see dump some fuel.
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Someone said that seven three sevens can't dump fuel. Wouldn't
mind getting some more information about that. If you've got
some more information eight hundred and eighty tighty nine to text,
looking forward to what you've got to say. There's other
topics tonight. Oh by the way too, I just I
don't want to always be the nostalgia guy. Well, no, no, no,
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no no, But it was sixty years since the Beatles
were here nineteen sixty four, and we haven't had a
ten year anniversary of the Beatles. When I've been on
the show. So I'm just curious to know who was
at those concerts. They stayed here for a week twenty
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five past eight. Hello, Chris, it's Marcus. Welcome.
Speaker 6 (15:39):
Hello Marcus. You just confirming that's correct. The seven three
seven does not have a fuel dump capacity, and so
it's mainly the larger wide bodies that have because they're
hundred hundred plus of fuel at time, so they have
to get their landing weights down if they have to come,
and so that's why they have fuel dump. The other
thing too, is a person that it was a bird
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stripe that causes what's known as a compressor stall, and
if you go on YouTube, you'll see similar to what's
been on the TV tonight as to hence the flames
and the burning until they shut the motor down and
block fuel which stops all that flames and that. So
it's no uncommon occurrence of compressor store. It's not a
common every day one either, but it happens. The person
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was talking about the takeoff flying towards Kingston. That's actually
my understanding is that's the actual takeoff route out of Queenstown,
no matter which way you have come out of Queenstown.
Because the reason Why that's the standard departure is if
you lose a motor, the aircraft can climb the hill.
So they've got to climb fly heading towards Kingston, gain
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altitude and once they get a certain altitude though, that
can then turn to go to their required course. So
that's why they head towards Kingston. And you're saying about
the new motor, about the replacement. Normally the airlines have
motors ready to be dispatched in case aircraft on ground situation,
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it may be inspected by the engineer. Someone could come
down from Queenstown tonight to see whether they need a
replacement engine, because then they have parts. So often they'll
just put a new engine on an aircraft, possibly from Australia,
put it on the freight, pick it up and truck
at them the cargo and have the engineers on the ground.
Just put a new motor on, rather than try to
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go through the engine, what's the problem and what we've
got to replace. It's more efficient just put a new
motor on, take the old motor off and then fix
it that way.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
So fly so that fly it from base to could
you could you fly the engine straight to in the cargo.
Speaker 6 (17:43):
Well, if they had a freighter to do it, yes,
but normally there's the night seven six freighters that comes
across the Tasman each each night into christ Church. I
think Auckland was similar other route, and they'd probably just
put it on a palette on one of those and
load it onto that and bring it across the night.
That's what they'll probably do if they haven't got an
engine available in your deal, on which I doubt you know.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Very good answer. So when they dump fuel, it's not
to so there's less combustables on board. It's just so.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
Landing weight down, landing weight down because of over weight.
And it was interesting that the aircraft had seventy eight
passengers on around one hundred and seventy seater, so straight
away you'd be nine or ten to tone down on payload.
So that gives them a lot more margin anyway, because
otherwise they have what they call it if they have
to land over weight, then the aircraft has to be
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chicked fully checked bay engineers before it's allowed to fly.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Then okay, it's so if it's if the plane is
overweight when it lands, it's not because it can't stop
in time. It could be damaged. It could damage because
that much.
Speaker 6 (18:42):
Okay, it's not it's not designal. It's like similar fit
to having a hard landing. Sometimes they exceed the moments
the aircraft has to be checked over. So it's just
over what they're calling overweight landing.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
And so the seven three seven has just two engines
and that right, it can fly quite easily with one.
Speaker 6 (18:59):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Yeah. The critical time is on takeoff
between V one and V two and V one to Yeah.
If you lose a made them between V one and
B two, you're really struggling. But otherwise you have got
design for that. That's part of the certification process.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Really great answer, Chris, Thank you very much. It's extremely uninteresting.
I appreciate the great deal.
Speaker 7 (19:20):
There we go.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
That's pretty much everything you need to know about that.
So the engine could well be on its well. They
want to get that up smartly, wouldn't they, because I
don't have a lot of wriggle room those airlines with
spear aircraft or anything. Get in touch if you want
to talk. My name is Marcus Hador. Telve o'clock. We
are talking about the possible birds strike. They're saying possible,
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but it has been a good day for planes as
it well a good weekend because the Air Force planes
aren't doing any better. Yeah, so you might want to
ring and mention that eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
nine two nine two detext. It won't be all night
on what it might be. We'll see how we go.
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But it's very interesting what Chris had to say, and
with Brian so eight hundred and eighty tventy nine detext.
You don't know why there's only seventy three people on
that plane. They have to check the fears to Melbourne.
Speaker 8 (20:19):
UM.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
An other breakdown that quality Bakers Dunedin is if many
supermarkets across the South oid with beer breadshelves the other
needed urgent maintenance to going to Goodman Fielder resulting the
disruption of normal breeds apply for the South Island. And
there's shots of New World Findleton, Fendleton. We've got the
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right emphasis and that's just a strip beer. They must
breed there in Fendleton. Yeah, they still do. They're the
cheap and cheer for live. You want to be heading
to Copeland's, there'd be the answer. Godness, my name is
Marcus Hurdled twelve. Marcus middle alloys like titanium are made
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to prose formula. Using the wrong mix will lead to
premature failure of the alloy. That's why there are specifications.
Some naughty people produce false test certificates so that buyers
assume that the parts are genuine. Reminds me of a
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Michael Crichton album novel. Remember Michael Crichton wrote a great
plane book that was all about I forget what was
years ago since I've read it, all about bits and
bobs of the wrong plane were put together. Have I
got it right? You might remember the story or is
it Clive Cussler, one of those page turners. I think
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it was called All Airframe. It was pretty good. It's
all one of those air crash investigators. I think they
worked out it was dodgy parts or something like that.
It's often not one thing. It's always a combination of
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things with planes in't it anyway? I get in touch
you on to talk twenty had away from nine. My
name is markets EDID twelve, all sorts of other stuff
you probably want to talk about tonight. You are more
than welcome. Loose like a goose Brite titan reel. We'll
do what we can today is eat your vegetables Day.
I'm still back on the vegetable soup, quite obsessed with that,
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going great guns. Although I've switched from a King's package.
I've gone from the vegetable mix to the gluten free
vegetable mixer hasn't got the pastor and makes a slightly
nicer soup. I think, mind, you haven't tried it yet,
Just there in the soup market picking up a cap
a couple of packets this afternoon. By the way, this
day and history of the Statue of Liberty arrived in
at New York clearly by boat. So getting to by
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the way, I had to google the population of Nepal
because I watched Nepal today. But having a good game
of cricket with Bangle, it's a lot g They're doing
well for a small country. So I came to work
and I googled how many people in Nepal? Thirty million.
It's a big country. That's all about high birth rate
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and rapidly increasing life expectancy. So yeah, they're going great
guards in the population stakes. Anyway, get in touch. My
name is Marcus Head. On midnight tonight, twenty six away
from twelve looking forward to what you want to say.
There's some other topics we want to talk about tonight,
and I'm happy. Oh, by the way, your goodness, gracious me.
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Couldn't believe this subst of focus from the government to
go back to cursive writing. I was in the education
system over fifty years ago when I first started, never
managed to nail cursive always had shocking handwriting, and I
don't think that affected me badly for a second. I
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often think about that with the teacher's obsession with handwriting,
and I'm cool about I'm not traumatized something. Oh well,
but yeah, goodness, gracious me, they already wrote me hard
about that. One wasn't about the content or whether the additions
or multiplications. It was always about the handwriting. I mean,
they're just doing their job. But jeepers, all good texts,
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thank you. No bread, New World Gore shelves are literally
bear Broughton Street Discount luckily has Copeland's bread. Marcus impossible
to hear anything for the screaming in his sixties content
total waste of time. Jen Marcus Yes went to Beatles
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Show and Dunedin drove up from the cargol Wonderful Memories
Catherine Marcus. I'm sure a few people exclaimed, hey, dude
this morning when Bellingham scored for England. He say, I
saw a lot of goals in football this week, and
I watched the I watched, oh, who was it Albania
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play and that was a good match because they scored
with it about ten seconds. And then I watched England
against Serbia I think it was Albania Italy was the
match and Albania scored within the first half of a minute,
and then Italy scored two times quickly after that. Then
there were no more. But yeah, I did a fair
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bit of reading about the English team. I was curious
to know with this guy in England, this guy they
were all raving about the great new footballer Bellingham. I
was curiously how many people and the English team played
in teams within the rest of Europe. But it's just
Bellingham and the captain. All the rest played for English clubs,
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although their own overseas people. But yeah, he was good.
That was a superb heater that till I watched that anyway,
seventeen away from nine. My name is Marcus, Welcome, Yeah, Billing.
It was a tremendous goal, perfectly weighted cross and he
just seemed to have the he's young, too young, Yeah,
I think he's only twenty. This guy. If the tournament
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goes right, he will become someone that becomes a household
name around the world. After this, I would think. Can't
think anything else much from the tournament that was of interest.
Huge amount of English fans one your huge amount of
Albanian fans. I wasn't quite sure how the Albanian fans
had got there. I kind of looked at the map
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because it was mainly Albanian fans and you'd be a
long drive through about five different countries to get to Germany.
So yeah, we're sort of the other thing too. If
you're trying to watch the football, the euro the European Championship,
that is on Freedom wein TV. You can get that
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on TV and Z Plus. By the way, the other
show that I enjoyed over the weekend, and I haven't
given this show a shout out before watched it with
the kids, that was let me get this right, Snack
Masters and interesting show hosted by Tom Sainsbury and that
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woman whose name I'll remember a secret. She's delightful on it.
But anyway, it's a fairly good show. And I tell
you what. So the situation is Kimbley Crossman's the other
woman's name or the woman's name and Tom Sainsbury. But
they get well known snacks and they get chefs to
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try and replicate the well known snacks, whether they be
kit kats or burger rings, or crumpets or can't think
of some of the other ones variety of fast foods.
I think the trumpets in there as well, and surprisingly
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what makes the show. I think it might have been
filmed during COVID as well. I think as the first
of second series. What makes the show is the chefs
are delightful. They are competitive but within the bounds, have
been generous with their information and kind of quite nervous
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about it. I thought it was fantastic. You know Peter
Gordon chef's like that. So people certainly that at the
top of their game having to work out with what's
going on with burger rings, and it's fantastic. Funnily enough,
the burger rings mainly polenta there go figure to quite
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a good show. I think that's on TV and Z Plus.
And what's quite good that we got ended up doing
as a family was actually having the snacks and watching
the show at the same time. So I'm sure it's
very very good for the sales of the product. They
even did R Jay's licorice. Yeah, it was the other
one that did. They did licorice, crumpets, trumpets, trumpets, burger rings,
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Big Max, the Burger Hungry Jex. What's it called burger
King one of their burgers, also one of their incredible burgers,
the vegetarian ones. So very very I recommend it. Yeah,
some of the hostings a little bit schmaltzy, but yeah,
it's good. It's really good. Desert's Marcus, Welcome and good evening.
Speaker 9 (29:37):
Okay, Marcus. I was in uniform constable in Christchurch when
the Beatles arrived. They played at the Majestic Theater in
the corner of Manchester Street and High Street in christ Church.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Sure that's that's no longer the areas that I presume.
Speaker 9 (29:56):
I'm not sure there. I became a church at one stage,
but anyway, copy there were four of us delegated to
stand on stage in the wings to guard the guard
the Beatles. The sergeant in charge was I'll just give
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the first letter of the names, John O. He was
the sergeant and there were four constables me D S D.
There was a Paul C lofty C I can't pinch
of his correct Christian namean and Dave from Tamrou who
propped the scrum for the South Island against the North Island.
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That he was a good rugby player. And we were
on stage and the wings and the sergeant said to me,
you'll give your life for ringo U. The reply, of
course was year right. And but that's all we had
to do. The before before the ringo song, there was
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an orchestra pit in front of the stage in those days,
and there was about a two foot little fence around us,
and the orchestra be down in the pit well. They
had a line of constables down there, and at the
stage when the teenagers wanted to hear Ringo sing, of
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course there was They chanted this singo ringo until they
gave to a Ringo got his, I think the only
song he could sing as well as played the drums.
And this young teenage girl, as soon as he started,
she was way up the back up into gods, and
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she came racing down the steps and Ringo ringo and
didn't see the little fence and she went down into
the orchestra pit. Uh food down there, and the constable
down there just picked their up bodily and threw her
back over. Then she crossed back up to a seat.
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Quite quite funny.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
So they had already been in, they'd already been in Wellington,
Ukland and the need and so I presume you guys
knew that there was going to be quite a lively crowd,
is that right?
Speaker 8 (32:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (32:29):
They were good though there was There was no problems.
We started work at five o'clock in the morning and
we worked all you know about eleven o'clock at night
or more. Just just a lot of constables around. The
young ones were great. They stayed at the Clarendon Hotel.
The Beetles and those single story old stone buildings across
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the road. We had to get to get the kids
off of roofs there. They were up there to see
the Beetles in the balcony, but for their own safety
we had to get them down. But no, they were
They were well behaved. It was great. At halftime we
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went out to the back of the stage because the
Beetles there's a big room out the back and the
Beatles were catered for. Us had a meal there or
supper or whatever. So we tunneled out to Johnny devil In,
the local New Zealand Star at the time, a rock
and roller, a great guy. We were standing outside the
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door of this room and Johnny came out with a
big silver tray with the biggest crayfish I've ever seen
on it, with all the trimmings and fruit and stuff around,
and said his very words were, well, these problems won't
eat this, U brooch might as well have it. That
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was Johnny Kevin Devlin. He toured with them, of course,
as they're back up. He was a great guy. So
we got stuck into the crayfish and yeah, we had
a good old time and the Beatles came back out again.
I think you mentioned earlier they only played for twenty
six minutes. I don't recall it being that short. I
think they played before halftime and again after halftime. Definitely
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wouldn't that.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
You could pay for thirteen minutes and then stop, could you?
So yeah, that does seem to be surprising, doesn't it.
That's on the New Zealand History website, so I'll check
that again. But there might have been more than what
was it just the one concert christ.
Speaker 9 (34:31):
J As far as I can remember, there was just one. Yeah, yeah,
there was only the one. Otherwise re had have been
on Judy again. Yeah, there's only one.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
Your memory is pretty good. Could you hear anything or
was it just screaming?
Speaker 10 (34:43):
Oh? A bit of both.
Speaker 9 (34:46):
They quiet down month Ringo started on his solo. That
was sort of the party piece. They all sagged together.
But of course Ringo was a favorite with the teeny
boppers and he had a song to sing. No, you
could hear them, but there was some times there was
they were drowned out by the screaming.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
Year And did you then? Did you then? Were you
involved in the crowds at the airport afterwards when they
went to fly away?
Speaker 9 (35:16):
No, no, no, I wasn't the only It was just
that one day where we had to get the kids
off the roof office at the Clarendon Hotel and all
day we're on duty of course house squad, and then
at the concert at night and after the concert to
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make sure everybody went home and behaved themselves, and everybody
did it was there was no no ral problem.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
No, no, it sounds like good memories. Does I appreciate
you coming through that? Thank you the Beatles twenty sixty
years ago for the eight days in New Zealand. They
came from Wellington, Auckland, Dunedin, christ Jute. That's the way
they went. Also talk about their playing incidant in in
the cargol tonight? Do you talk about that? Eight hundred
and eighty eight nine to text Marcus, does this mean
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international airport has landed its first international flight? Look, I
don't know how you define that. I know that there
was a real estate agent, sorry, a travel agent in
Verkagol that took certainly recently deceased, that took a planeload
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of people to the Melbourne Cup a couple of years back.
So that was a charter flight, but it was international flight.
So I don't know how you I don't know how
the railway spotters would mention that. But of course to
it is going to become the Sir Timmy Shadbolt Airport.
But there seems to be counsel quibbling over when that's
going to happen, which I think is surprising. Could seems
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to be a pretty easy and straightforward thing to do.
They decided they should just put the sign up. Brendan
its Marcus good evening.
Speaker 7 (36:59):
Evening, Marcus, A few things there. My dad was an
aircraft engineered and the cargo airport for forty years.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
Wow.
Speaker 7 (37:12):
And I grew up basically airsided. And nobody nobody gets
to experience anymore, you know, sitting in a in a
viscount or a friendship, getting towed into that becngar. It's
not so big now.
Speaker 8 (37:26):
It was big then.
Speaker 7 (37:29):
But you mentioned the bird strikes out of Queen'stown and
the Canadian geese that found that A three twenty and
by New York I think it was, and they're big
ground car Now. I don't know so much around Queenstown.
But I mean, you hit birds with one engine, what's
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the chance of getting the other engine? That's that's you know,
the ones that starts flaming. That's called a compressor stall.
So there's sitting in there that's hit all the slow
and that's where you get the bangs and the and
the fire and those aircraft and perfectly well one engine,
but not too I mean not zero.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
What's what's burning in the compressor stall?
Speaker 7 (38:15):
I don't it's I don't have enough knowledge to explain that. Obviously,
there's there's fuel doing kerosene jet fuel being injected in
there and it's not compressing it. It's not a nighting
property and that's what it's banging. And there's probably things
banging around in there at high speed as well. So
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those aircraft can perform well on one engine, and.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
Isn't it amazing they can perform on one engine. I
just find that incomprehensible.
Speaker 7 (38:50):
Yeah, I think it comes back to if they couldn't
perform well on one engine, they wouldn't be a car passenger.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
Fair enough, fair enough. It also amazes me that that
helicopters can land without their engine going.
Speaker 7 (39:02):
Also, yeah, yeah that that knows, that blows me way too.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
Yeah, it makes no sense, but anyway.
Speaker 7 (39:13):
But yeah, those guys did a good job there. There's
again these modern like the old seven three sevens that
that came into the into cargo before they extended the runway.
You know, those aircraft could fly on one engine if
you know, on takeoff they reached the critical speed. But
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the modern technology, the thrust is so much greater with
those those those engines they've got now and yeah, as
long as they can reach certain speed, you know, they
can fly.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
It seems as though with birds strike they haven't really
got a solution. I was seeing the people at Heathrow
on a TV show on the weekend, and they would
use audio of the birds that were their enemy to
play those to scare them away, and when that didn't work,
they then use a starter pistol. But it's all the
skering away from birds of birds from from airport seems
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to be an exact science.
Speaker 7 (40:18):
Yeah, most of the airports are on the coast where
where you'll get a lot of birds.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
So yeah, but.
Speaker 7 (40:25):
They've been doing it for many, many years. And yeah,
it's how many times?
Speaker 3 (40:32):
How many times have birds brought down both engines?
Speaker 7 (40:36):
I don't know successful is there is that pressure in
New York was fully I was an anniversary just a
couple of weeks ago, but they were a Canadian geese.
But part of my readom from my call was that
the left engine, I think it looked like the flames
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are coming out of the right engine. The left engine
may have ingested from birds too, And they can't do it.
There is a certain amount that they can't do it anymore.
And that comes back many years ago there were testing
wind screens in the aircraft and I think the spades
for doing it. The English were doing it, and they
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are firing chickens out of the cannon into the wind
screens to see if that work not break. And one
team was having great test and the album wasn't and
they worked that one was boring them up before before.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
Very good, Brandon. You wonder why they haven't managed to
something at the airports that would effectively detero the birds.
I don't know what that is, because you couldn't use
poisons because of our native species. You think there would
be some grass or something to grow that the birds
particularly didn't like. I don't know what the answer was there,
but I just remember watching the program on the weekend
(41:59):
about the guy that does the air traffic control, the
bird control at Heathrow, and I thought, well, the guy's
taking this job lightly. It's a very serious job because
boots can bring down planes. So yeah, yeah, well that's
what we are talking about today. I've got anything to add.
I deadly love to hear from you. Also the Beatles,
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it's before my time. What I don't know is when
you see some of the comments, not from that deer
caller before, but when you see some of the comments
from the police in Auckland, there seemed to be a
lot of antagonism towards the Beatles, because I mean, they'd
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been around for a while, hadn't they by sixty four?
They weren't brand new, so you might want to comment
on that. So that's what I can't fully understand that
it seemed as though that people were Yeah, they'd formed
in nineteen sixty, so they're four years old. But the
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Auckland cops seemed to be particularly antagonist up to what
there were thousands of people outside the hotel. They had
to give them three cops. It seems like private security
wasn't a thing in those days yet. Anyhow, my name
is Marcus Hittel, twelve o'clock, eight hundred and eighty. Tend
to keep your texts coming through too. I went to
the Beatles concert in sixty four in Christ's traveled up
from a Lawrence. Could hardly hear any songs because of
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the screaming. But least we could say that we've been
to the concert. Did you go by train? Marcus? These
whole planned stories we keep hearing on the news is scary.
It's definitely brewing from major ear disaster, that's for sure.
I know a lot of your listeners had a plane
crash and their twenty twenty four predictions, declaring myself, but boy,
(43:52):
am I glad that nothing happened tonight. Well, one of
my predictions was that Dick Van Dyke wasn't gonna die.
He's ninety eight, He's just received a Daytime Emmy and
has sung a song from You Bang Bang to mark
the occasion twenty six away from ten o'clock. David's Marcus, Welcome.
Speaker 11 (44:15):
Gay Marcus. I'm proud of my long handwriting. I think
it looks good and fancy, and I'm pleased I can
also spell, which helps now he I know I watched
a documentary with I've got a falconer employed full time
paran falcons to keep the birds away. Yeah, and now
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the photograph, I think there was Ringo's song. Oh my god,
there's a photograph. I believe because I was thinking where
else would ringo song be? I believe that was it.
And I remember last time seven three seven and it
was Cross's the Eastern States, those seven three seven's, they're
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cramped and slow, in my opinion, very uncomfortable. But Sally,
who put the plane in the Hudson, what a decision.
You know you've got your plane up to a certain
normalist what several thousand feet you lost both engines. Man,
What a decision to make to put the plane in
the river, A big, big, ballsy decision.
Speaker 3 (45:27):
I think it was. Well, it was his last flight
or two something? Was it a last flight before retirement?
Speaker 11 (45:34):
That's right, something like that, right.
Speaker 3 (45:37):
I haven't seen the movie, but I.
Speaker 11 (45:39):
Like it absolutely anyhow, good to be back, good evening.
It wasn't me before you test it.
Speaker 3 (45:48):
But I do believe no, yeah, but but but in
the scheme of things, I mean, most people probably have
a passion for it and develop their own cursive style,
don't they.
Speaker 11 (45:58):
I don't know. But I do like the fact that
I can right long hand and also spell correctly without
having spelled checker. I think that's important. Marcus. Communications and
the art of conversation.
Speaker 3 (46:15):
Brilliant. Good on you, Dave, Thank you for that. Twenty
four away from ten.
Speaker 12 (46:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (46:21):
Captain Sully, a ex military, didn't see the film, but
George W. Bush called him to thank him and asked
him to the inauguration. Seems to be the great American hero.
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There you go. Just on more aviation news. Greg Foran,
Karen Forn's father, runs in New Zealand. He was on
the Trade Commission with Luxen to Japan. That and then
that verts in a flight to pick up the trade delegation. Well,
the latest news is that Greg Foran is serving the
(47:16):
drinks on the plane. So he stepped up. He's doing
Kevin Crue stuff. Yeah, so innus In and Chairwoman Dame
Terre's walsh in inns in CEO. Greg Foran was serving
drinks on a flight to Tokyo. That was a verded
vie Brisbane to fairy pest his leader and media to
catch up with the promise to Christopher Luxen on a
(47:38):
visit to Japan. So it feels like it's the end times.
Jim AT's Marcus, good evening.
Speaker 12 (47:45):
Oh, good day, Marcus. Listen. I've read a bat bit
about that landing of the plane nar the Hudson, and
I think I don't think it was his last flight.
In fact, I think he might still be flying today.
Speaker 11 (48:00):
Wow.
Speaker 12 (48:00):
Captain Captain Sully. There were two movies put out. The
first movie was pretty rubbish, but the second one, Tom
Hanks was in it as playing the role with Captain
Sallenberger as a fabulous movie.
Speaker 7 (48:16):
It really is you really.
Speaker 12 (48:17):
Want to try and see if you've got a moment.
It really is, and it shows the plane the way
they do it. You know. Of course, the plane coming
down on the harbor on the river, which is like
a harbor, and it skated along and all the ferries
in the district arrived, but the ferries that were running
around the harbor all made a bee line for it
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to take the people on board. And he was the
last person off the plane. He was wading through the
plane up to his waist in the end, and to
make sure there was nobody left on the plane. Great guy,
fantastic guy.
Speaker 3 (48:55):
I'd got to admit, Okay, Jim, this is man to man,
me to you. I didn't think enough happened to make
a whole movie out of it.
Speaker 12 (49:03):
Oh yeah, well they did, because he spent a fevery
the time in the sky and then of course they
were coming down over the city. But actually, I tell
you what dragged the movie had a bit, but it
didn't drag it out because it was so good. The
insurance company's tried dependent on him. They reckoned that he
could have saved the plane because it was a write off.
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Of course they could have saved and played by game
to another airfield. But anyway, he bought it in court.
Speaker 3 (49:34):
Well they reckon he was showboating, just trying it out.
Yeah it's interesting.
Speaker 12 (49:39):
Yeah, yeah, but he wasn't and it wasn't his last flight.
I'm sure of that, and he may he may. What
what year was it, I've forgotten now what year was it?
Speaker 3 (49:49):
I don't know who.
Speaker 12 (49:51):
Google anyway, I think.
Speaker 3 (50:00):
Fifteenth.
Speaker 12 (50:02):
Yeah, well that's thirteen years ago.
Speaker 3 (50:05):
He retired in two thousand. Then he was hired by
CBS as an aviation and safety expert.
Speaker 12 (50:12):
Ah right, yeah, I don't think it was intending to
retire that early, but he they did try and penant
on him, so that was drawn out a bit, well,
not drawn out. It was still made an interesting viewing.
But that's what happened, and that's why, probably why they
made a poor movie out of it.
Speaker 7 (50:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 12 (50:32):
Not the insurance companies forward it tooth and N tried
to get out of it. And of course you can
imagine the cost of replace.
Speaker 3 (50:41):
Well I guess, I guess if an insurance company you
go an nearline that's lost a plane, you've got to
try everything, don't you, Because there's probably ninety million dollars
unless Parlon's making a bucketless thing of their careers to
land on the river. Did they recover it, rebuild it
with they scrap uspose?
Speaker 12 (51:00):
Now I think it'd be a right or the electrics
would be then to be the finish and I'm sure
I don't know, but I wouldn't I wouldn't like to
play in it now.
Speaker 3 (51:10):
Yeah, good, nice dear from you. That's a good call. Yeah, Hi, Peter,
it's Marcus. Welcome.
Speaker 13 (51:15):
You believe you Marcus cold night here in christ Church. Marcus.
I believe everyone should be taught to write because I
was taught from a well, you know, when I was
at Sydham School and we continued that right through to
Hackley High. But today I think everything's all on a keyboard.
(51:35):
Where where's this government? Who's who's at the moment said
we will do reading, writing and arithmetic And it doesn't
sound like it's it's taken off from what I can
make out. Arithmetic. We were not even allowed to have
any calculators beside us when I sat school see in
(51:57):
nineteen sixty nine, they searched us. But today I know
school see doesn't exist. But these these.
Speaker 3 (52:05):
What calculators would have been around in nineteen sixty nine.
Speaker 13 (52:10):
Or they were there, but okay, they couldn't put them. Yeah,
they were there. You couldn't put them in your pocket, though,
could you? And but they Peter.
Speaker 3 (52:19):
It sounds to me like have you got young kids
involved in the education system at the moment?
Speaker 7 (52:23):
No?
Speaker 3 (52:24):
Okay, so what you are But Peter, what you're saying
is the way you did it fifty years ago. People
should do it now because what's the reason that nothing's
changed through fifty years?
Speaker 13 (52:38):
Well, okay, the reason should be what if there's a
pair cut or a loss of pair or or you know, okay,
when when you lose power, you're not going to get
cash out of your banks? Are you know?
Speaker 3 (52:53):
You know you don't get cash out of your banks
with curse of writing.
Speaker 13 (52:56):
No, you're not, you don't. But I feel the I
feel the writing has gone, and I know it's going
to go in time, but it's not.
Speaker 3 (53:06):
People can still do People can still do cursive writing.
A lot of people get into that sort of calligraphy
and scrap booking. That's their thing. Like people get into
people get into line dancing. You know a lot of people.
It's people. Some people love. No one's stopping them doing that,
and it's very easy to learn. You be websites to
learn it. There's probably something you can buy on demo
(53:27):
that will help you learn cursive writing.
Speaker 5 (53:29):
But for the.
Speaker 3 (53:29):
Teachers to have kids, it seems like a waste of time.
Speaker 7 (53:33):
To me.
Speaker 3 (53:36):
It's not one of it's not one of the great
skills required for the future. It's not like you know,
those all those stems science, technology, engineering, and maths, which
are the sort after things for people going you know,
into the flesh places to become futurists. That's what they
want people involved in. No one's ever said we, you know,
we're lacking because of our we're behind on cursive writing.
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For goodness sake, it doesn't do to do both.
Speaker 13 (54:03):
And okay, they're going to okay, I think I think
there's a little keyboard stuff.
Speaker 3 (54:09):
There's limited resources in the class, and of course kids
his attention aren't great either. You know, you got to
strike there's a limit of how much information things you
can teach young children.
Speaker 4 (54:16):
I've learned, Ye're true.
Speaker 13 (54:19):
But to teach them that it'll expand when they get older,
expand what well, the the their retention, it will expand
it because you know, okay, when you're a kid is
six or eight, Yes, he'll he won't going to take
it all in, but as he gets older he'll be
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able to take more in.
Speaker 3 (54:43):
Okay, is he gone? I know I've lost the will
Marcus Sully's plane was picked up for a song. By
then he's in Air force marketing. It's a joke. Why
does everyone I hate teaches so much at the moment.
(55:12):
Hopefully DNA can determine the birds species karkapal key when
tuck hay presumably not responsible, seagulls, pigeons, Harry hawk's, plover's ducks, geese,
magpies all introduced and more of a problem for aviation.
Brent Marcus, I love handwriting. I've always wanted to learn calligraphy. Well,
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you can always do that calligraphy. There's great websites for calligraphy.
People will love it. Do it. It's a great thing.
But no one's banning it. Everyone's welcome to do it.
You can quote me on that door. It's Marcus, welcome, good.
Speaker 14 (55:54):
Evening, Marcus, how's it going?
Speaker 3 (55:56):
Good thing of do your.
Speaker 14 (55:59):
I was just having a great old chuckle on my
way home from work listening to that last caller about
curse of writing. I am I'm twenty three, so went
through school fairly recently, and I can just say that
curse of running will definitely not get money out of
the bank. Might look pretty on your handwritten notes, do
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you love, But yeah, that's not a common thing either.
Speaker 3 (56:30):
No, no, exactly, thanks to you all. I think a
lot of people think, particularly people from christ Utes, they think,
when the quake happened, we couldn't get our money out
of the money machines. Therefore, they think about anything that's changing,
it's going to affect them. During the quake. It's almost
(56:50):
like a trauma that they've got. So because there was
no cash, they couldn't get money out of the bank. Therefore,
if electronic money is bad, then electronic communications bad. Therefore
of writing is good. I think that's the segue. But wow,
(57:13):
I'm pretty interested in that, Petty Marcus.
Speaker 15 (57:17):
Welcome, oh home Marcus. What a wonderful night, really exciting
about the aircraft. Nobody who which was a blessing? And
you know it was someone we were thrown at us
at the last minute, and that was exciting. And I
(57:39):
am an old person, right, and all I'm hearing is
these old people talking about reading and arithmetic and all
this for our young kids, when what we should be
doing is to preparing them for the will they're going
to live in.
Speaker 16 (57:56):
I can't understand it.
Speaker 15 (57:58):
I want them to be progressive. I want them to
learn about how they have to about saving the world,
all those sort of things, and how they're going to
look after themselves. What subjects they can take now, it's
(58:18):
so much more interesting for kids. You know, you can
even take surfing as a subject.
Speaker 3 (58:25):
I mean, gosh, I think I think it's deeper. I
think people are thinking. They're thinking, Okay, you know, we
are getting old. Therefore anything new they feel threatened by,
and anything new is bad. Therefore what they cling to
is going back to the old things. It's really backward thinking.
It's quite depressing.
Speaker 15 (58:45):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (58:46):
But it's certainly out there and these people.
Speaker 15 (58:49):
And I think young I say, that's old people step
aside and let this young generation take this place where
it needs to go.
Speaker 17 (59:04):
What do you think I.
Speaker 3 (59:06):
Think use of writing a total waste of time. Oh
and some people are into it and some people aren't
into it. If they want to get into it, get
into it. But to teach it, to go back to
teaching it crazy. Oh, as long as people can communicate
clearly and print or whatever. But what I mean, the
whole curse of handwriting came from old quilling pens before
the ballpoint pen was invented.
Speaker 15 (59:28):
Yeah, yeah, no, no, it's done.
Speaker 3 (59:32):
It's redundant.
Speaker 15 (59:34):
Yeah, and get them happy, get them, get them what
they need to equip them for the next century. That's
what we need to do.
Speaker 3 (59:44):
It's amazing that people still think it's the thing. You've
got bad buzz coming through there, petty, But thank you,
John Marcus.
Speaker 2 (59:49):
Evening here, good evening, Marcus. Now I'm all for this writing.
The nuns taught me to write. You'd go well, they
used to say, light going up and he be coming down.
And why do you need to write? Well, what do
you do when you write it? I want to write
a nice little story. If you're giving somebody a birthday
card or a wedding present or what amount. If you're
(01:00:11):
a pissing some male, you got to said like a
you know, you know, in a box of stuff. I
think there's lots of good reasons. And somebody saying it's
honly for old people. I mean, that's a lot of
rubbish and mathematics are important.
Speaker 17 (01:00:29):
Well.
Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
Mathematicians are the guys that can design and put a
tunnel through a mountain from one side to the other,
and they can start one side and they can work
out exactly where it's to come out on the other side,
and they build all these bridges and stuff and stuff.
So mathematics is very important as a matter of fact,
(01:00:49):
all education. I've got twenty eight grandchild, I've got.
Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
John, John, excuse me for interrupting. I don't think anyone sat,
yeah you are. I don't think anyone see that mathematics
isn't important. I think what I said was the stem subjects,
the science, technology and during mathematics. That's what the folk
this is on now because that's what the workplace requires.
They don't require curse of writing. Most people under forty
(01:01:14):
these days, they don't post a letter. If you want
to wish someone happy birthday, do it via text or email.
You don't write a romantic letter these days. You're on apps.
The world's changed. It feels like the death rattle. But
(01:01:35):
thank you, John, and love to your grandchildren. Lyle A's Marcus,
good evening.
Speaker 5 (01:01:42):
Hi, Marcus Beetles. Is a topic, isn't it?
Speaker 3 (01:01:46):
Tonight, yes very much.
Speaker 18 (01:01:47):
So okay, right, I'm sorry, I've just finished some work
and but well, i'd just like to know all the
great cultural achievements of the Beatles at Sacha. But I
just like to take you to back to one expect
Oddly enough, I've just been what's epping, Well this morning,
I've been what's epping my liver Puddley and Scalse family.
Speaker 5 (01:02:08):
That they called scalses of what they call Liverpudlians. Anyway, Now,
my mother came out from Liverpool in nineteen fifty eight,
so she was here before the Beatles. She came out
as a twenty year old, right, and her taste did
not go to rock and roll, even though it probably
should have given her age.
Speaker 18 (01:02:24):
She used to like Bing Crosby and if he was
feeling particularly groovy, maybe Frank Sinatra. Okay, that just to
put it in context. But I remember when I was
about seventeen or eighteen years old, I was watching a
documentary on the Telly, and it was the documentary on
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the Beatles that Malcolm McDowell from a Clockwork Orange had narrated.
It's reasonably famous, and my mum was doing the ironing
and she was watching it. She just looked at me
and said, Lyle, you know, before the Beatles, people in
the south of England thought people from Liverpool were stupid,
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and then she just went back to behind him. So
and that's right, that's absolutely right. You look at pre
Beatles post Beatles, right, you look at all the British films, TV,
what have you. All the people from the North of
England get sort of comic they're basically sort of comic
idiots effectively.
Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
And then you.
Speaker 18 (01:03:31):
Coronation Street came out in nineteen sixty so that that
sort of had started to change the Beatles both in
Britain at the end of sixty two, and it made
it fashionable for a wee while, for maybe ten years
to come from the North of England. So he had
the Beatles first, right, you had the other Morseyside bands
like the Searchers and Billy J. Kramer and the Dakotas
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and stuff. Then just down the road forty four miles away.
Speaker 5 (01:03:56):
In Manchester you had the Hollies they came out, then
Newcastle the Animals, the Trogs that's from somewhere up there
and that sort of broth at everything. And I think
there was a band here that tried to in the sixties.
I've listened to the music. They were trying to affect
Liverpool accents or whatever, and Americans were and so it
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just made it gave a total cultural shift in Britain
at least, and so that's one of the huge They
sort of broke the glass ceiling for people from the
North of England.
Speaker 4 (01:04:29):
I think that was a huge difference.
Speaker 18 (01:04:32):
And it's never gone. That's sort of the novelty wore
off a bit, but it's never gone back to what
it was like before. You just look at old films
or whatever, the way people from the North of England
are portrayed in When I was in London in the
late eighties, either an English lane lady, very pot, very
sudden English, and she.
Speaker 5 (01:04:52):
Used to say, Oh, where do your relatives come from?
And I said, oh, I've.
Speaker 18 (01:04:55):
Got some in Scotland, I've got some from Liverpool, and
oh oh their North Country, their North Country.
Speaker 5 (01:05:00):
And there was just this if you were in the south.
For a while back as I worked in an aerial
factory near Wembley Stadium, and all the blokes there in
the production line they called people from the North Oikies
and they're pretty disparaging. But that was in the eighties
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that it had never got like it had been prior,
where basically the people from the north of England were they
were just seeing this sort of fodder, factory fodder essentially.
And then so the Beatles, that was a huge cultural
shift anyway. I just wanted to get that off.
Speaker 8 (01:05:35):
On my chest.
Speaker 3 (01:05:36):
Yeah, very much so. And I think the Bricks have
always been the experts of finding any way to find
the difference between different people and then ex situating that difference.
It's bizarre. It's no one traveled enough sixteen past ten.
Thank you, Lyle Jamie, It's Marcus. Good evening.
Speaker 19 (01:05:55):
Oh so you going. I'm just thinking being the selecting.
I can't even read the running rushall, so it's so
like it's just so pointless. I've got a dyslexic son
is brought in and if they taught him that at school,
he would just switch off. Where I think they should
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be teaching and coding how to fix bugs on apps
and all. That's where the world going. You know, how
to program a three D printer. That would be a
lot more beneficial to the kids than teaching them how
to how to running right or whatever you want to
call it.
Speaker 3 (01:06:33):
You know, well, fancy thing, what's what what what? What's
something that's gone that's irrelevant, Let's bring that cursive writing.
I just can't believe it. It's just Jamie with your dyslexia.
If there's if it's printed, is it possible for you
to read it? Is it clear?
Speaker 19 (01:06:51):
Yeah, it's clear. Yeah, But as soon as the letters
are run together, I'm going to ask my wife or
or someone else what on that day? Or I just
don't even bother.
Speaker 3 (01:07:01):
Although you wouldn't come across it that much, would you cursive?
Speaker 19 (01:07:05):
No, not at all, But I don't know. It's just
this company. Their logo was cursed and writing. I made
some stupid name up for it, and my mates laughed
at me. They were like, what company you're talking about?
Speaker 12 (01:07:17):
Like that one?
Speaker 19 (01:07:17):
And yeah, it was funny because.
Speaker 3 (01:07:20):
I never never ever come across cursive never, I never,
I never see it.
Speaker 19 (01:07:28):
No, never, That's the only time I've seen it. In
the end, it was just a logo, a trucking company's name.
I'm down. The side of their trailer was all in
curse of writing, And you know, I called Marinoas and
I was calling them monte Zumers was something like that anyway, I.
Speaker 3 (01:07:46):
Had no desire to see it encouraged.
Speaker 19 (01:07:50):
No, it's crazy, Like I say, just teaching them how
to code and stuff, even just have a clothes, give
them a computer and playing oecraft for a class would
be more more beneficient to them than learning out the curse.
Speaker 7 (01:08:06):
Right.
Speaker 3 (01:08:07):
I seem to love Minecraft. That doesn't seem to go away.
Speaker 19 (01:08:11):
I have a fourteen year old mother and now I
want a six year old love with as well, never ending,
Sam ro Once, that's the same too.
Speaker 3 (01:08:22):
Nice to talk to, Jamie. Thank you eighteen past ten,
Birds strike and cursive writing? You got anything to say
about that? Reagan Marcus or Reagan Marcus.
Speaker 20 (01:08:34):
Welcome going near Marcus.
Speaker 3 (01:08:37):
Good thing you're Reagan.
Speaker 20 (01:08:40):
About the person of writing. How many signatures do you
see printers? Does he hear anyone? Because ft whist where
you get your signatures from? From their style of writing?
Speaker 3 (01:08:57):
Not necessarily.
Speaker 20 (01:08:59):
Do you see many printed signatures?
Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
Well?
Speaker 3 (01:09:02):
Think everyone comes up with their own signature, however anyway
they want to. I guess. I guess the signature needs
to be something needs to be done effectively and quickly
and uniquely.
Speaker 20 (01:09:12):
And this husic that's toylet for writing because he's just
scrolling wizard, you know what I mean. Yeah, you're not
stopping living the being up every time you write a leader,
you're just scrolling with it, like like I'll hold to
school and which they get tought how to do it.
And there was also the flip writing, which was like
a printing type but get flipped out every leader and
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connected it that way. I was still his writing. We
call it writing, not what you got at. I was
printing that writing from when I was going to school.
But see that's how I like everybody I know and
my hero. That's how we got our signatures was from
from from writing people people.
Speaker 3 (01:09:55):
But people suddenly have no longer not got signatures because
cursive writing is no longer focused.
Speaker 20 (01:10:00):
On everybody's drivers, licens has a signature, everybody's part sport
has a signature, so we all do who still has signatures?
Speaker 3 (01:10:11):
Anything you do? I don't really understand your point, but yeah,
people still have signatures.
Speaker 20 (01:10:20):
Right, but that's people at the writing for Yes, everybody
still has signatures, but they come from the writing side
of it all, not printing. You understand that, Like you
don't see people printing their signatures. You see them writing
that a crypt the writing or what you be calling it. Sorry,
I just started writing, there's your signature princess as in
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like like caperal letters or you know a chapel or
M capital L and lush as in smallerness all do
do you write it out? Asn't writing? It's just right,
so we still do right if you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (01:11:09):
Yeah, I don't really Reagan, I don't really understand your point.
But look, I know everyone's got a unique signature.
Speaker 20 (01:11:17):
Its Russians not printer.
Speaker 3 (01:11:19):
Well, it depends what the signatures like. People have all
sorts of varieties of signatures. Hi, lizits Marcus.
Speaker 21 (01:11:24):
Welcome, Oh Marcus good evening the gentlemen who rang regarding signatures.
He made a very good point. And you said you
couldn't see where he was coming from, when you don't
have to be a rocket scientist to see where he
was coming from. He was so right. There's so so
many times you have to have a signature, a written signature,
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even if you you know, if you're taking out a
mortgage or mortgage papers, bank statements. It hit like he's right, passports,
driver's license, and it's all those signatures are not Printednature's.
Speaker 3 (01:12:03):
The signature can be anything you want. Well, there's there's
and people haven't been taught cursive writing, but they still
come up with signatures. This is he couldn't make the connection.
He his point was irrelevant. He kept saying. He seemed
to be implying without without students learning cursive writing, no
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one would have signatures. Every child loves practicing how to
write their name in all different ways. Kids are obsessed
with coming up with their signatures. They're always doing it.
They come up with all sorts of fun ways of
doing it, putting crowns on letters like Basquade, doing all
sorts of stuff.
Speaker 21 (01:12:42):
And would that be all right on a passport?
Speaker 3 (01:12:45):
Absolutely, as long as it's your unique thing that you
can replicate. Oh well, then they're not going to not
let someone travel because they didn't study cursive writing.
Speaker 21 (01:12:55):
No, no, no, But I can see that that man
had a very good point.
Speaker 3 (01:13:00):
But the logic, but the logic to his point was
not clear. He tried to make out if people didn't
learn years of writing, which minders standing they're not really learning,
they wouldn't be able to do a signature.
Speaker 21 (01:13:12):
I didn't really think he meant it like that. I
could see where it was coming from. But okay, if
it's it's it's all right. But I think he made
a good point.
Speaker 3 (01:13:21):
Okay, thank you, Simon, it's Marcus welcome.
Speaker 6 (01:13:25):
How are you good, Simon?
Speaker 8 (01:13:28):
Oh good. We just called it stylistic writing and double writing. Yeah,
you know, the old style steelstic greetings. Yeah, a stylistic
writing and well, you know, the style of us from.
Speaker 3 (01:13:55):
The seemed to be a thing. Seemed to be a
thing at primary school. It seems as though the teachers
gave up by the time they got to intermediate. As
long as you could write.
Speaker 10 (01:14:04):
Clearly, it was understood.
Speaker 3 (01:14:06):
That wasn't really gone on about. I think, and I
think left hand has found it very difficult as well.
Speaker 8 (01:14:14):
Oh yeah, the sods souls they had to go through
a lot of hell.
Speaker 3 (01:14:20):
Did yeah well with left handed because you're going across
it becomes difficult for your hand.
Speaker 8 (01:14:25):
Yeah, but I can tell you what.
Speaker 3 (01:14:29):
There are a lot of people, Simon, think the beginning
of the end, with the end of cursive running, a
lot of people are very very passionate about it.
Speaker 8 (01:14:38):
Yeah. Oh yes, mentioned that. I am to mention that
among a lot of people.
Speaker 3 (01:14:46):
A yeah, okay, I'll let you go, Simon. Thank you, Marcus.
I just wanted to say, cursive is silly. What advantage
could there be that we can't do on a computer checks?
What plan does that person? There's no as a check.
They've been gone for at least a couple of years now.
I thought the pist was being humorous. Who cares about writing?
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It's not needed tedious subject Geni's Marcus, good evening and
welcome Hi.
Speaker 16 (01:15:18):
I don't want to be critical about the fact that
we don't want to write these days and all of that.
I just wanted to tell you a little story. I
was in Mikey ten a couple of years ago when
something happened up in Huntsey and the machines that Mighty
ten Or went down. So they went and got all
the old people in the shop to come up and
served the people who had cash.
Speaker 7 (01:15:39):
Wow mm hm.
Speaker 16 (01:15:42):
And the other thing I wanted to tell you about
when I was at primary school, my teacher was James K.
Baxter SEPs Yes, and of course he was a pupet,
so we had a lot of poetry and he was
very strict about writing printing, you know. And I just
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wanted to say that not long ago I to go
for a blood chest and fill out a form, and
then I went up to the counter. She called my
name out and the first thing she said to me
was what lovely printing you have. Yeah, and my youngest sister,
we had a granddad, mom and dad. Seven children are
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our home. A big get from the top child to
the youngest. My youngest sister asked me just this year,
could you please write in your handwriting? She said, I
will buy the book, and I want you to write
about our childhood because I don't remember much about it. Well, yes,
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and I'll always get the job of writing out the
cards and the letters or whatever has to be done.
So you know, I'm not knocking today what how it
is today. I'm just saying that for me, that's how
things have gone for me. And I still believe that
writing is beautiful and that being able to add things
up in your head can sometimes be quicker than the calculator.
Speaker 3 (01:17:09):
I think kids are still pretty good. I think kids
these days are very good at multiplication. In addition, I
know my kids.
Speaker 16 (01:17:16):
Are Oh that's great, because a lot of them are
not well.
Speaker 3 (01:17:21):
I don't know that they seem to be teaching, they
seem to be real focus on mathematics and the tables
and all that sort of stuff. Hey, so I think
sometimes you think people think that they're taught nothing at school,
but they just I only have to know that because
I've go kids that are at school at the moment, Geane,
I know, you know, and I help them with their homework,
and I know what they're doing.
Speaker 2 (01:17:39):
Yep.
Speaker 16 (01:17:39):
I've got two great granddaughters, one of them six. You
might think this is irrelevant, but I talked the kid
about rendzvous and why you don't say ron DeSUS show
their house, spill it and what it meant, just to
point something out that sometimes words have a silent letter
in them, things like that. That's right, I love right.
(01:18:00):
But I also wanting to talk about James cave Hext.
Of course he ended up the Wanganui River being here
and me running a hippie commune, didn't we Were.
Speaker 3 (01:18:09):
You at a poony school in Oha hut? Was that
where he was teaching?
Speaker 10 (01:18:11):
I was?
Speaker 16 (01:18:12):
I was, yes, and he was my teacher. But he
ended up.
Speaker 3 (01:18:19):
Nineteen fifty four. You born in nineteen forty eight seven, Okay,
to be a seven.
Speaker 2 (01:18:28):
Year old.
Speaker 16 (01:18:30):
Exactly getting this poetry drumdon to you every day.
Speaker 3 (01:18:33):
Yes, would have had a good voice too, would.
Speaker 15 (01:18:36):
He very clear?
Speaker 16 (01:18:39):
Yes, a really clear, quite a strict, a very strict teacher.
We got the strap in those days.
Speaker 3 (01:18:47):
Would he would he strap you?
Speaker 22 (01:18:50):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (01:18:52):
Gee, okay. Surprised to hear that. Just reading all the
media about that plane that came from Queenstander for the cable,
I guess probably wouldn't say that the engine caught fire,
would you. I think that's what they are saying in
some of the reports, but that might be a bit
dramatic because they're flashes of the gas igniting. Yeah, I don
think that's a situation. The engines caught fire. A lot
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of people had the right word for what happens in
a situation like that. It's got an expression with what happens.
It's like backfiring in a car, a compressor stall. I
think that's the right expression for it. Twelve away from eleven, Andrew,
it's Marcus welcome, Oh.
Speaker 5 (01:19:37):
Hi, how are you good?
Speaker 3 (01:19:38):
Andrew?
Speaker 17 (01:19:38):
Thinking, just did some reading on the on the internet
on Google, and I think that the cursive writing has
been done away with because of technology, because it says
here the origins of the cursive method are associated with
the practical advantages of writing speed and infrequent pen listing
to accommodate the limitations of the quill. So I remember
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when they used to write those big old feathers.
Speaker 3 (01:20:04):
And absolutely well and then found and pens.
Speaker 17 (01:20:07):
Yes, so it would keep the keep the ink flowing
at a nice steady, even pace with even pen pressure.
And then so when you did everything was more delicate with.
Speaker 3 (01:20:17):
Probably you probably couldn't do printing with a fountain pen,
could you, because you get to get yeah, you get blobs.
Speaker 5 (01:20:25):
Yeah, So it was.
Speaker 3 (01:20:26):
So that's that's a really good point. So it really
is redundant.
Speaker 17 (01:20:30):
And one other thing is the fellow who talked about
the curse of writing and the signature. He was when
you're forming your own signature, then you might look and
then you research say, your name's Freddy, Freddy Brown. Then
you might learn how to do an F and a
B and curs if and everything else is just a scribble.
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But they may not know the whole They may not
hold know the whole alphabet in cursive, but they do
know their s and bs.
Speaker 10 (01:21:01):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (01:21:01):
I think everyone with the work on their signature go
through all sorts of places. They'll see the way the
letters are written. I think I'll have a that I'll
check up out of that in there. It's quite an
exciting thing for kids to develop their signature exactly. Yep,
you've got to tea. You can put along top to
your tea right across that. You can do all sort
I mean, you have fun with your signature because yours yours.
You can do it. You know, there's no limits to it.
Speaker 17 (01:21:20):
Script, a bit of italics, yeah, or.
Speaker 20 (01:21:24):
You put a crown.
Speaker 3 (01:21:25):
You put a crown on one of you and it
is my ones, just my sing. This is really just
a line which works quite well for me.
Speaker 17 (01:21:32):
You'll want to leave silly. Ever, get back to where
you will melt the old candle and put a stamp
on it for you can't.
Speaker 3 (01:21:37):
Wait for that. You get that on Andrew and old
betu youre that'll be there and old make your own seal.
Speaker 11 (01:21:45):
Yes.
Speaker 17 (01:21:46):
Anyway, I just want to cheer it with the back
from the old writing, with that the advantage of the person
when you're writing with a quill.
Speaker 3 (01:21:53):
Anyway, it's really helpful information. Andrew, I thank you and
embrace you for that.
Speaker 2 (01:21:57):
Hi, Tricia, Hello, this.
Speaker 16 (01:22:00):
Is marching Tricia. Hella you Marca.
Speaker 3 (01:22:02):
Thanks Tricia, real good.
Speaker 16 (01:22:04):
That's good.
Speaker 8 (01:22:06):
Now.
Speaker 16 (01:22:08):
I did that writing when I was at school back
in the fifties and I loved it and it was
pretty good at it too, and still am. But I
agree with you, and I think you'll find a lot
of people of my age and even older we are
used to what we did then, and some haven't moved
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on with the times. But I'm really interested in what
you've been saying tonight and hearing your point of view,
and I agree. I agree with you, even though I
loved doing what we did when we were you know,
that old school schooling. If you follow my drift, I say, yeah,
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So I'm I'm stuck in my ways about some things,
but I agree with what you're saying, and i've yeah,
I'm with you on that, even though I love doing
it myself.
Speaker 3 (01:23:10):
And maybe that's the point tration. Maybe people when they
say oh, well, they realize that cursive writing is not
being taught, then subliminaly they wonder if maybe that there
is that their own style of writing is not going
to be as accepted. But you know, people that concuse
of writting, I'm sure they have great joys with writing
long letters or doing scrap book and doing stuff with
it because what they've done all their life. I mean,
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I know, for some people, their handwriting, their style of
handwriting gives them great comfort and gives them great tech.
They get great attention from it. It's not for everyone
and hasn't been for many people for a long long time.
Someone's emailed Mark because it's interesting to note that almost
all tonight's callers that have rung and about cursive writing
have also hinted as to how traumatic their learning experience
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was with the stern nuns and strict parents. Fair point,
cursive never you was called cursor. I think we always
just called it joined up writing, did we? We are
talking about cursive writing. Although I wonder how many of
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those people that think that the key to life is
back teaching cursive writing is they want to make the
future perhaps more like the past. And I would say
a lot of people probably haven't been in the modern
day classroom, you know what's going on there. I mean,
probably we're into a world where they're where the pupils
will require and need keyboard skills. That's what they're going
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to be doing the majority of the most of the
time will be working on keyboards. They'll very rarely be
required to do cursive right. I can't think of any
job that require people to do cursive writing unless you
are working for a engraver, like engraving sports trophies, or
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you'll working for a florist and writing elegant curse of
notes on funereal flowers or something like that. Most people,
the way that we communicate what we are thinking to
communicate with others is via text, which is either keyboard,
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which pretty much it. That's what the children have to
be great. It is keyboard communication. And that's why people
used to learn typing, because that was a more effective
way to communicate because typwriters came on electric typewriters, and
then they've moved into just working on computers. That's what's
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happened in the last forty years, and we are much
much better at communicating. I even think we've probably even
become better spellers because so much of the communicating now
is text base. People are texting more so than talking.
Young people don't communicate on phones. They text each other.
Speaker 2 (01:26:10):
So.
Speaker 3 (01:26:12):
Or the written word, and what I mean written, the
type word has become more important than it ever has.
I think cursive writing is completely irrelevant. Sure you might
want to do I'm not saying you might want to
go for gold. Knock yourself out if you want to
be one of those people that enjoys it. Some people
take great pride in cursive writing, but it's not needed
and it's not necessary and it's not relevant. And all
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your people that embrace and love good on you. So yeah,
I think you've got to be a bit careful with
nostalgia because not like everything in the past was better.
A lot of the things in the past were terrible,
but people don't even remember the stuff where they think, oh, well, gosh,
I was okay, that was better anyway. Also talking about
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the Beatles in New Zealand sixty years ago this week,
they went to Wellington. Then John Lennon went with the
police under a police escort to live in to visit relatives.
Ringo Starr went to Carori to visit relatives. They went
to neden Auckland, then flew to Need and then christ
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Church before they left. Kind of a weird way for
it to go. I don't know how they got from
Wellington to talk where they got in the train or
the plane. I suspect the plane the viscount anyway, get
in touch you on I Talk. My name is Marcus.
Welcome head or tweve o'clock to night. Anything goes. But
certainly a lot of people bring feeling very passionate about
a lot of people are quite angry about curse of writing.
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What's that about? Got a whole lot of people at school,
a lot of teachers that are just trying to do
their best with the modern theory of teaching that they've
learned has worked out to have the best outcomes for
the children. Wow, So I can't abuy by teacher bagging
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not into it. Eleven eleven. There you go, Angel number
for you, George. It's Marcus.
Speaker 10 (01:28:14):
Good evening, Good evening, Marcus. I guess the Beatles will
love you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you couldn't have written a
simpler line.
Speaker 3 (01:28:25):
Well, I guess it was more about the music.
Speaker 10 (01:28:27):
Hey, yeah, yeah, of course it was. It was the
beat It was something that young people could follow and
sling and shout and scream to and all that. But
I was at primary school at that stage. I think
I was a Standard four and the Beatles were at
Wellington and I was in Parmiston North and they were
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selling beetle haircuts. I don't know if you know this,
but they had beetle plastic wigs that you bought and
stuck on your heads and ran around and pretending that
you were the Beatles. There were black plastic hair solid
that stuck on the head like a helmet, and they're
in the shape of the beetle hair. Your listeners might
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recall some of this, and they might have their comments
about it too, on how interesting we looked because everybody
back then had short back and sides.
Speaker 3 (01:29:19):
Unbelievable.
Speaker 10 (01:29:20):
Ah, it's the fashions. But I look at the rugby
players now and I go fame and heck, we had
those haircuts when I was at primary school. How ridiculous
things go around in circles. And we had a guy
at our high school when I was in the seventh
form who went off at lunchtime on the Monday and
came back. And we used to wear caps at school
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at high school, and he came back and wouldn't take
his cap off in the class, and the teacher made
him take it off, and he went off and he
got a mow hair haircut or bring down the sides
with a strip left down in the middle. The rest
all shaved off. He was sent home until it grew.
Speaker 3 (01:30:01):
Wow, it's funny that schools were so fussy about how
people had their hair. And I guess that'll be coming back.
That'll be the next thing. They want short back and
sides at school. Again. That seems to be the way
we're going.
Speaker 10 (01:30:12):
Well, a lot of people already have it with the
type of haircuts they have. You know, all these ears
are sticking out everywhere there. Even some of the women
shave the sides of their heads and leave a piece
in the middle, and I go, well, just do one side. Interesting, yeah,
but they sometimes they just shave off one side and
need all the other side as it is, and you go, okay,
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that's different, which is an inverted common's way of saying,
oh my goodness, it's what you love.
Speaker 3 (01:30:40):
You guess you shouldn't judge other people's appearances. George, are
these plastic wigs? I am quite interested in these these
molded wigs.
Speaker 10 (01:30:48):
Well, you look at the haircut. You look the pictures
of the nineteen sixties when they came to Wellington, the Beatles,
and have a look at their head, and basically it
was like a Chinese haircut in some ways. It goes
across the front, down the sides, below the ears, and
around the back and back up again. So it was
like a helmet.
Speaker 3 (01:31:05):
I'm fully aware of that. Did you know anyone that
bought I see they're worth about two hundred and sixty
dollars on trade me.
Speaker 2 (01:31:11):
Now.
Speaker 10 (01:31:12):
Yeah, if you can find them, you.
Speaker 3 (01:31:14):
Cannot trade me. That's that's Did anyone wear them?
Speaker 12 (01:31:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (01:31:17):
Well, the kids at school wore them in primary school.
Speaker 10 (01:31:21):
It was the thing. It's just hard to play ball
rushing it, although it's probably saved your head a bit.
Speaker 3 (01:31:28):
Did you not go to Wellington to see the band?
Speaker 10 (01:31:31):
Oh heck, I'm not that stupid, but you had.
Speaker 3 (01:31:34):
The wig, you had a place wi the wig.
Speaker 10 (01:31:37):
Was not expensive because how much?
Speaker 3 (01:31:40):
How much was it?
Speaker 10 (01:31:41):
Oh, I've got no idea. We're talking about a history
here that was pounds, swellings and pence. I think back then,
well might no, No decimal currency came in the year before.
Speaker 3 (01:31:52):
It's a four year I think decimal currency was sixty seven,
and we're talking about nineteen sixty four. It would have
been it would have been a threepenny bit or something.
Speaker 10 (01:32:02):
Yeah, it was. It was really cheap, well relatively, I
suppose because they're mass produced. But I just I can't
give you those details because it's going back a bit.
But I just remember everybody had these flaming things and
wore them when the Beatles were around as that two
of the country, and it was so funny. It was
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the in think, you know, kids and teenagers and that
we all get caught up in things of the moment.
If Britney Spears came out with a particular haircut that
was fashionable and produces as a wig, I'll bet you
it would sell the millions.
Speaker 3 (01:32:39):
I don't think. I don't think. I dodn't necessarily think
that it would be Britney Spears because she's had some
dramatic haircuts lately and had some great personal struggles. But
I think Taylor Swift, you might say, so, she's got
the distinctive haircut with the fringe.
Speaker 10 (01:32:56):
Yes. So if someone made a wig like that with
a flowdown sides.
Speaker 3 (01:33:01):
And straight across flown, yeah.
Speaker 10 (01:33:05):
You would, you know, the gobble these things up by
the millions.
Speaker 3 (01:33:09):
Brilliant. Nice to hear from you, George, Thank you keep
your calls coming through. Loving that. That's another great talkbackism.
The old mo hair haircut. It was the other one
we had the other night that I enjoyed. Jack knighted
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seventeen past eleven. Very good there, old that someone should
bring those back. It's very hard to find people wearing
the ultra wear sixties plastic wigs. It's almost like lego
here John Marcus welcome.
Speaker 5 (01:33:58):
Yeah Marcus at the last caller from Palmerston North with
the Black Beetles wigs. Isn't it great to see that
they've graduated to wearing plastic hats at the rugby mainly
from the Colonel Great propris.
Speaker 3 (01:34:17):
They're wearing buckets, are they?
Speaker 18 (01:34:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (01:34:20):
Exactly, Yeah, so you know, the plastic on their head
has gone a long way. Those boys and Parmesten have
ready come on, haven't they?
Speaker 3 (01:34:26):
Well, hang on, who were the buckettheads? They're wearing buckets,
ordinary buckets for a while, were they? Then KFC kind
of moved in, is that right?
Speaker 7 (01:34:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (01:34:34):
Yeah, but you know the green buckets for you know, yeah, true,
but yes, anyway, that's an interesting observation on the side.
I was in Standards three at the time and when
the Beatles were here, and I'd been to the Dental
clind Cup in Upper Willow Street in Wellington and I
caught the tram home, but in the meantime I had
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to navigate Parrot's Corner and there was a sea of blue.
Must have been hundreds. Couldn't have been a single girl
from Wellington East who wasn't there? It was absolutely unbelievable.
They were all standing down outside the Saint George Hotel, amazing.
Speaker 3 (01:35:15):
Did you go to the content?
Speaker 5 (01:35:17):
No, no, no, no no no. I was just getting
my way home from the dental clinic, so yeah, I
had to go.
Speaker 3 (01:35:25):
But you weren't someone that was. You went part of
the Beatles fever?
Speaker 5 (01:35:29):
Hell no, no, okay, I mean I was aware of them,
of course. And I remember Doreen interviewed them on Tuesday
b back in the day, and she wouldn't interview the
four of them together because they were clowning around so much.
She had to have one of them in the room
at one time.
Speaker 3 (01:35:45):
Really, yeah, you went into them because you didn't like
the music.
Speaker 5 (01:35:51):
Oh I was just too little, I mean, come on,
I was only eight.
Speaker 3 (01:35:54):
Oh yeah, yeah, I'm not fully aware of the myths
of it.
Speaker 5 (01:35:58):
Yeah, yeah, good days, good days. Because Mary Poppins was on,
of course, and Mary is it a super color fragilistic.
The other Dosias ice cream was out.
Speaker 3 (01:36:17):
During kelso Yeah, Australian.
Speaker 2 (01:36:24):
Well she was a Wellington icon from Maldura.
Speaker 3 (01:36:28):
Good evening, Gale, it's Marcus b Yeah, it's Marcus. Welcome
Gae high.
Speaker 23 (01:36:31):
Gail, Hi, Marcus, how you doing good?
Speaker 3 (01:36:34):
Thank you Gail good.
Speaker 23 (01:36:36):
I was one of those Wellington es skills that stood
outside Puri's corner when the Beatles were staying at the
Saint George Hotel.
Speaker 3 (01:36:45):
Wow, what's East Wellington?
Speaker 23 (01:36:51):
It's above the Mount Victoria Tunnel in the Base Reserve. Okay, understand,
it's very exciting. There were just so many of.
Speaker 3 (01:37:04):
Us, wouldn't they refer to East Wellington?
Speaker 12 (01:37:08):
Is that?
Speaker 7 (01:37:09):
Is that.
Speaker 3 (01:37:11):
A positive expression? I guess it is. You don't think
of Wellington be eastern West. I suppose it is, really,
isn't it. Yeah, it's got explanation. We're talking Kilbernie Miramas
of the.
Speaker 23 (01:37:24):
East eastern suburbs.
Speaker 3 (01:37:26):
Okay, so that in those days were that the less
established suburbs or is it?
Speaker 23 (01:37:32):
Is it a no? No, it wasn't.
Speaker 3 (01:37:34):
Okay, but it's not Newton, It's not new Town or
Brooklyn or those suburbs.
Speaker 12 (01:37:39):
Is it? No?
Speaker 23 (01:37:40):
No, Carrory is Western Suburbs, yeah, okay. And and Wellington
East College was the Eastern Suburbs okay.
Speaker 3 (01:37:51):
And were you living there at the time.
Speaker 23 (01:37:53):
Yes, yes, I was living in Newtown.
Speaker 3 (01:37:57):
Oh wow, Okay you were Eastern Suburbs okay, mm hmm.
Speaker 23 (01:38:01):
And it was the most wonderful thing. It's something you
just don't forget, except that a lot of the girls
were crying as well.
Speaker 3 (01:38:13):
So did you go to the continent. Do you have
tickets to the concert?
Speaker 23 (01:38:16):
No? No, it didn't get tickets for the concerts, but
we knew when they were going to be arriving at
the hotel, so it was just packed with Willington these girls.
Speaker 3 (01:38:29):
I'm finding all of this really interesting. Why did they
not sell more tickets?
Speaker 23 (01:38:36):
I have no idea. I think I don't know whether
it's a cost or whether it was on a school night.
I really don't know. But the girls, because the airport
is in Mirama and it still is, which is part
of the Eastern Suburbs, I think the girls just heard
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you when they were flying in and when they're going
to be arriving at the hotel, and.
Speaker 3 (01:39:03):
The hotel was it was Manus Street, and was it.
Speaker 23 (01:39:06):
Is more then, No, No, it was. It was Manus
Street and Manas and Willis Street.
Speaker 3 (01:39:16):
Yep, I know the building. Yeah, I'm looking at that
now Google Maps.
Speaker 23 (01:39:20):
The building's still there.
Speaker 3 (01:39:22):
That's it.
Speaker 23 (01:39:24):
M hmm. And it was opposite what you call Paris Corner.
Speaker 3 (01:39:32):
Yes, what was it called Parrot's Corner?
Speaker 23 (01:39:37):
I have no idea, Okay, I spent some periods absolutely
no idea.
Speaker 3 (01:39:42):
So take me back to nineteen sixty four if you will, right.
Are you just recently into the Beatles or you've been
to the Beatles for months or days or weeks or
years at the stage.
Speaker 23 (01:39:57):
No, I was sort of into the Beatles. Nineteen sixty
four is at Willington East, I would have been, Oh
my goodness, fourteen, fourteen or fifteen, I think.
Speaker 3 (01:40:16):
Yeah, so you were well aware of that. You were
well aware of them in nineteen sixty four, but just
didn't manage to get tickets correct, No, No.
Speaker 23 (01:40:27):
I didn't. I didn't even think about it, but just
heard they were coming, and I think everybody just got
so excited. They just wanted to be there and to
see them come in and see George waving outside the window.
I think he might have got onto the balcony. I
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can't remember exactly. There were just so many of us.
Speaker 3 (01:40:53):
Nice to hear, Gail, thank you. Pirrots had the chemists.
They were the chemist on Parrot's Corner.
Speaker 7 (01:41:00):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (01:41:01):
Part's Chemist, which was liked on the site closed in
nineteen sixty four and the building was demolished, sort of
been closed after the Beatles. I would imagine Carolyn Marcus welcome.
Speaker 24 (01:41:18):
Hello Marcus, thank you for taking my call.
Speaker 3 (01:41:20):
My pleasure, Carol, my absolute pleasure.
Speaker 24 (01:41:23):
I love your program. Thank you Marcus. I'm ringing about
the black plastic wigs.
Speaker 7 (01:41:30):
Yep.
Speaker 24 (01:41:31):
My older sister or I was five years old, and
I remember my oldest sister having one. She'd wear it
with her miniskirt.
Speaker 19 (01:41:43):
Wow.
Speaker 15 (01:41:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 24 (01:41:46):
And we chased the beetles they went. I live in
christ Church and we chased the beetles up Kashmir Hills.
I don't know whether they're going up to the sign
of the Takahe or whether they were just going for
a drive. And I remember her, my sister, holding my
hand and just dragging me up the hill. And we
were running up the hill following the car with the
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beetles in it.
Speaker 3 (01:42:09):
It's a great memory.
Speaker 24 (01:42:11):
Yeah, it was very vivid, very vivid.
Speaker 3 (01:42:15):
Yeah, I kind of imagine a girl having long hair
would use a beetles where blug you sa, it's what
you're doing. It was all part of it. Oh.
Speaker 24 (01:42:23):
It was sort of like the Twiggy era. So she
had My sister had really short hair and the mini
mini skirts and these black wigs were oh, they were
just quite hard plastic and it was just like the
other gentleman was saying that they were straight across the
front like a fringe and then straight down at the
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sides and round like a bob.
Speaker 3 (01:42:48):
He sort of looks like Jim Carey's haircut and dumb
and dum. Ray I'm looking at it. Did your sister
go to the concert?
Speaker 16 (01:42:54):
I don't know.
Speaker 24 (01:42:55):
She might have because she would have been about fifteen, so.
Speaker 17 (01:42:58):
She might have gone.
Speaker 3 (01:42:59):
Well have done if she had a wagon was chasing
up the hill.
Speaker 24 (01:43:03):
Yes, yeah, yeah, that was very exciting.
Speaker 3 (01:43:09):
It's incredibly exciting. Nice to hear from me, Karen. Thank
you for calling. Sam. It's Marcus.
Speaker 6 (01:43:14):
Good evening, Yes, Sam here, Marcus, Hi, Sam.
Speaker 25 (01:43:19):
Enjoying your show Taking Me Back with the Beatles nineteen
sixty four. I think I was in the fourth format
Rain you were High and even the teachers and all
the pupils were that excited about these Beatles coming. They
got the builders to put up black plastic speakers all
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around the school and they played Beatles music for about
two weeks. It was just so amazing.
Speaker 3 (01:43:49):
Well, I can't believe that. So the school was right
into it.
Speaker 25 (01:43:54):
The school was right into everyone was that excited and
also heard that. I think something happened with Ringo down
and when he was down south, they just about mobbed them.
They had they had to clear the place. You know,
he just about got into travel down there or something.
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But and then they were throwing they were throwing eggs
at them at the Clarendon Hotel and christ Church too
when they landed there too.
Speaker 3 (01:44:25):
YE kind of had a quick reading of that. I
don't fully understand what went on there. Why would they
throw eggs at them? Were the people also that reposed
to them?
Speaker 25 (01:44:36):
Yes, I think some people got carried away and just
had an opposite effect with them or something. I was
to look back there and there, you'd wonder why they
actually did it so well, it seems.
Speaker 3 (01:44:49):
I mean the thing that reading through the New Zealand
History website about their time in New Zealand. It seemed
as though they had a really bad time here. It
seems as though they were much less security than they needed.
It says you. It's and I'm just reading this. What
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you say seems to be right. There was an ugly
side to the christ visit. Rotten eggs and tomatoes flew
at the band where they appeared on the hotel balcony.
A better on the crypt A better on the crowd
carried the cryptic message we like Elvis, Cliff Castro and
Malcy Tong, but not the Beatles. And they performed on
stage for just twenty six minutes.
Speaker 25 (01:45:32):
That's all right, I think you're right there. Yeah, But anyway,
that's this my little contribution. Thanks very much, Marcus.
Speaker 3 (01:45:41):
I think I'm just about you said Ranguura School that they.
Speaker 25 (01:45:43):
Had this music when you're a high. Yeah, when you
were a high they go, yeah, they enjoyed it.
Speaker 22 (01:45:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:45:49):
And I suppose plenty of your classmates came into to
watch the concent did they? I?
Speaker 25 (01:45:55):
Uh, well, I'm not too sure. And it's a wee
while ago. Now I presume some of them went to
see them.
Speaker 9 (01:46:03):
I didn't go.
Speaker 8 (01:46:03):
Actually go So.
Speaker 3 (01:46:05):
Nice to hear from you Sam, probably a special train
coming in from Ringing or will that be right, Hi, Jennifer,
it's Marcus. Welcome.
Speaker 22 (01:46:13):
Yes, good evening. It was actually my brother in law
who drove the Beatles from the airport in Wellington. He
was sales manager for Mental Boats and a brand new
Holden and I think I remember him, if I'm not wrong,
saying they actually burnt a hole in the upholstery in
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the back seat with a cigarette. I've always remembered that.
Speaker 3 (01:46:41):
Well, it's funny you say that because I'm thinking, well,
probably they'll be looking forward to a cigarette after the flight.
But of course you probably could smoke on the planes
those days, so they probably just smoked.
Speaker 22 (01:46:50):
Yes, but I thought that was a nice thing. It
was a brand new.
Speaker 3 (01:46:53):
Car, yes, yes. And did he go to the concert?
Speaker 22 (01:46:58):
I don't know. I don't know. I can't remember that,
but I know that it was quite a thing that
he did that in Auckland by that phage, though I'm
not sure because I'm a Wellingtonian, I'm not sure whether
he went. I wouldn't be but praised.
Speaker 3 (01:47:17):
Nice to hear from you, Jennifer, Thank you, and take
Jonathan before the end. Hello Jonathan, AND's Marcus Good Evening, Good.
Speaker 26 (01:47:23):
Evening in nineteen sixty four. I was living in Monganoui
and heard the Beatles were coming, so booked my ticket
through the Diic in Wellington. I asked the lady at
the d see if she had any idea where they
might be staying, and she said, look, there three hotels
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they could be, but we think it's the Hotel Saint George.
So I Dulie took a chance and booked a room
at the Hotel Saint George. And sure enough that's where
they That's where they stayed while we were there. They
did two four shows, two on Monday till on Tuesday.
I had the last one. But the manner of the
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hotel said that all the guests that were staying in
the hotel, he invited us to stand in the lobby
quietly while they came down on the list to walk
to the door to get into their limousine to go
to their first six o'clock show. But he said please
stand there quietly as they go through. I stood there.
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I was a teenager. The excitement was too much, and
just as they went through the door, I yelled out
Paul my hand out and Paul McCartney shook my hand
well and I remember the show very very well. Johnny
Devlin was on, backed by an Australian band called The Phantoms.
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First half finished up, I think may have been the
beginning of the second half with a band from England
called Sounds Incorporated.
Speaker 3 (01:49:06):
I've gotten leave with here, Jonathan. I'm afraid that's right
out of time for me. Gosh, what a great call
right at the end, so I didn't have longer. I
should be back Mikey peebit along next Goodnight.
Speaker 1 (01:49:18):
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