Xylophone hands (24 June 2024)

After a couple of nights off at the end of last week, Marcus catches up on the infrastructure failings of the weekend.

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
You're listening to the Marcus lush Night's podcast from News Talks.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
A'd be at seven, good evening. My name's Marcus. Here
till midnight. That just a little bit more information about
that vessel that's missing off Gispin. Two people on board
failed to return from a fishing trip. Three boats went
out fishing. One had failed to return. Two people are

(00:32):
aboard the six bed, a long trailer boat. The people
on the missing boat had set off an emergency beacon,
and a helicopter and coastcard were out searching for them.
A person that was on one of the three boats
set a boat. Another boat had turned around to come

(00:53):
home because it was pretty gnarly. I presume that's referring
to the sea or the weather. So that's a situation there.
I'll keep you updated on that event. It's got any
more information about that, let us know that's a couple
of people on AA has been have a set off
a locator beacon, which I imagine would enable the helicopter
to get there fairly quickly. You'll get to the right spot.

(01:15):
So look at the other breaking news that happens. Look
and I've had two nights off too, which which was
pre planned, but certainly they were busy nights as far
as news with the fairy going onto the rocks, albeit
slowly I presume, and also the situation with the pylon
not being bolted down falling in north and no wonder

(01:37):
what the next is an infrastructure failure is going to
be suspect if want to be drinking water, will it?
I don't know, you might want to speculate on that.
I've just been reading quite widely. We'll not widely, but
sort of as widely as you can in the close
in the close well, I suppose the close time after

(02:00):
the grounding of the oratory. Of course, it's the only
fairy that has got rail cape abilities on it, so
really as part of the main trunk line, if there's
a rail link that goes from how far north it goes,
now do they go up to Mordiua down to Bluff.
If that's the main trunk line, then you need to

(02:22):
get railway wagons across the Crock Strait, and that seemed
to be what the new big ferries on order were for.
And with this fury out of action, there's no way
to get the rail goods from the south side to
the north side. Some of you might have more knowledge
about how they managed to do that. Well, how's it

(02:43):
going to function for the remaining months until they get
a new theory? I mean, can they do they take
the containers off and just put them onto trucks and
seeing them across I suppose with containerization, it's not the
end of the world. You might want to comment on that.
How necessary it is. I know a lot of you
people will be truck drivers out there, will be listening
how necessary it is for the interil and ferries to
have that rail capability we have discussed at other times.

(03:06):
I'm just not that clear on how important that is.
There's certainly a large number of people are saying that, well,
they're saying this government, this coalition government. But I guess
it's more to do with what's happening with the rail
is that it's neglecting the South Island. And haven't mean

(03:29):
someone that's been in the South Island for a long
long time now, Yeah, I mean you do think about
the you do think about the rail fairies and how
reliable and how safe they are going to be. I suppose,
so it is interesting, doesn't make us feel just keep
I guess not but I would think for the people
of the South Island the rail fairies are a lot

(03:50):
more of an issue than people of the North Island
because these days most people fly and hire a car.
So you might want to comment on that anything to
do with the fairies. That would be interested to hear
from you about that. But yeah, just how important is
for it to be from a logistics point of view,
for it to be for them for the new fairy
to have rail capability. It looks like we will be
getting new fairies. Looks like that's going to be essential

(04:12):
because I don't think I mean, they canceled the contract
with Hayundai or the Korea I think it was Gundai,
and they said that perhaps we were going to get
temporary ships, but it seems as though none are available.
You know, you can't just go on high ships. Most
of the ships that are good are already kind of
being leased, so it's quite a complicated thing to do.
So this will loom larger discussion point for a long

(04:33):
long time, I would think. And also to I haven't
fully understood too with that pylon that came down in
the North Side, well, whether that was whether there was
built in, whether that was the only line north, or
there are other lines and they took up too much
vault too much. Currently the other ones tapped out, if

(04:53):
you know what I mean. I'd be curious to know
about that as well. Anyway, eight hundred and eighty, it's
twelve past eight. Nice to be back on deck your Donnie.
It's Marcus. Greetings and welcome.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
Okay, mate, how I remember you when you were in
All One, great show.

Speaker 4 (05:07):
Listen to you every night.

Speaker 5 (05:10):
Lead a shorter life these days.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
Mate, shipping for goodness sake, it's so much better for
the environment.

Speaker 6 (05:17):
Cheaper.

Speaker 7 (05:18):
Leave them on the ships Auckland, Littleton, Wellington, dun Eden,
unload them and then.

Speaker 8 (05:26):
The truck takes them to wherever their God, easy, peasy,
save money. Everybody's happy.

Speaker 9 (05:32):
That's what you did with the containers.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
Yeah, I think it's sort of a slightly more specific
question answered Donnie, but I do appreciate your enthusiasm. Wow, goodness, Yeah,
and your moxie. Craig gets Marcus. Good evening and welcome.

Speaker 10 (05:49):
Good evening. Nice to hear back in the radio again.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
Thanks Craig.

Speaker 10 (05:53):
Hey, what's the series and stuff? I mean, I guess
they're pretty old, but I'm sort of wondering would be possible.
Maybe they should go to the Liicitton and stead they
picked in and sort of reduce all that'll being on
that very a few times and it's pretty nai and I
wouldn't want to do it in the truck, but maybe
go from Wellington to say Littleton, and then also maybe
have a backup going from Taranga to say Timaru, because

(06:17):
you know west case scenario, you know you don't want
it to happen, but case Wellington falls off the met
from a big earthquake, then we're going to be down
the track with where do you go for ferries?

Speaker 6 (06:25):
Then?

Speaker 2 (06:27):
Look, it's an interesting questions some of the might someone
might tell us what the situation was. I presume when
they got rid of the ferries between Littleton and Wellington
that the news service coming out of picked And was
quicker and cheaper. I don't know how what the comparents,
what the comparison of seen in goods by ship versus

(06:49):
by road goes.

Speaker 10 (06:51):
Yeah, I'm just wondering if all the boats going through
their nice little entrance depict and you're sort of like
it's quite a scenic area and you think, well, amn
of boats going through there? Does increase the chances or
something going wrong, not so much questioning and doing something,
but maybe an oily. But the other thing I'm worried
about too is the fact that no one's ever mentioned
the Cook Straight cable between North and South Island. It's like, well,
when was the last time Peole did work on that maintenance.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
It was always concerned about the gates I think on
the cable. Well, I don't know if that's the right
word for it, but they had them at either end
before it went underground, and they need to be replaced,
and that was a hugely expensive thing. I couldn't quite
I don't know if there was a word gate. Someone
will text me what the word was, but that was
the ones that at both ends that they needed to
be fixed.

Speaker 10 (07:35):
What the substations or something or whatever.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
It was a word for it, and I can't recall
what the word was, but it seems to be when
the cable, when there's a joint between the terrestrial cable
for it, it goes subterrestrial.

Speaker 10 (07:48):
No, it's probably some technical term that we're not really
un used.

Speaker 8 (07:51):
To that.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
It was just started at. Yeah, well I'll see if
I could find out. Thank you. Craig Cook Street Cable. Yea,
it was the points or the the terms or something
that was required. Maybe they might have fixed this about
ten years ago. I think that was a hassle. Yeah,

(08:16):
so you might have some information about that, but yeah,
maybe they are thinking of replacing that. Not to so
many questions in the moment. I want you to get
into infrastructure. I'll see if anyone's texted through what the
things at each end were called that they were looking

(08:36):
into replacing. It was a word I wasn't familiar with.
That's why I'm not that good at recalling it. Someone
said six point three earthquake Vana two. Thank you for that. Yeah,
David's Marcus. Good evening and welcome.

Speaker 10 (08:56):
Marcus. Hey, David, many years old for many years.

Speaker 9 (09:07):
Massive point on.

Speaker 11 (09:10):
We went onto a job site, we did.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
We just turn around and then look towards the trends.
I'm not getting you really well with your phone.

Speaker 12 (09:23):
Okay, sick.

Speaker 13 (09:27):
Somewhere.

Speaker 4 (09:32):
Well, we went into a.

Speaker 10 (09:35):
Job say it, don't know if that's great, say.

Speaker 11 (09:39):
The mast point for example. We went and we did
what we call j S a job safety assessment, all right,
And this stuff became a pain in the ass because
I'm old school, but we did it and it was good. Now,
the first picture I saw of that tar over the
foot plate wasn't twisted. There was nothing wrong with it,

(09:59):
so I thought, I said to my part, and I
said straight away, it wasn't bolted down. I can't believe
that somebody somewhere, the guide in charge of the crew,
or someone in the cruise is don't undo all the
bolts at once. I just cannot believe how stupid that

(10:22):
crapper is, absolute nonsense. If someone really needs to ask
a big time.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
Well, yeah, and there was an order done apparently, but
maybe they need an order of the order. But I
think we've all been involved in situations where there has
been oversight and you can kind of see how it
happens excusable.

Speaker 11 (10:43):
But you can't have an oversight of that. Say you've
got a big tower bolted to the ground. You don't
undo all the bolts at the same time, do.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
You, particularly not before it particularly not before particularly not
before a expected weather event.

Speaker 6 (11:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (11:03):
Well, surely someone on that team, even if who wasn't
the leading hand, should have said to somebody, hey, this
isn't right. I mean, there must be complete I saw
that thought that the foot plate and I knew it
wasn't twisted, so I thought there's nothing holding it.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
Yeah, Dave, I don't want to blow blow your perception.
I think everyone thought that, didn't they.

Speaker 11 (11:30):
Wow, it's pretty obvious what's happened where clown's working on
the damn thing, and and someone should really get their.

Speaker 4 (11:39):
Assick big time.

Speaker 11 (11:40):
You know, it's just crazy.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
Ohm sure that.

Speaker 11 (11:44):
I'm sure that I was working out the refinery.

Speaker 14 (11:48):
Have you did a ship like that?

Speaker 11 (11:50):
Ever been off the site? Never come back again? You know,
It's just I just can't believe it's how stupid this
country's got.

Speaker 4 (12:00):
Man, everything's yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
Well it was just this was just Yeah. I mean
what you've done there is you've extrapped it and said
the whole country's gone now because one ilon's fallen.

Speaker 11 (12:10):
Do you have an extress? All our roads are shift
a lot?

Speaker 15 (12:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
I mean, I appreciate your enthusiasm, but I let the
first one go. But I just slightly consume it. The
language only because it's sort of you know, seems slightly sweary.
But yeah, nice to hear from you. I'm not going
to make you do a health and safety, but you
might do a health and safety for the old swees.
Someone says, give it two to four weeks until the
supermaket shelves in the South Island start to return to

(12:38):
covid is kiekiness and prices start to rise, and then
we'll start to hear more noise from the mainland. Time
to start stockpiling flower yeast Aiden Dunedin Marcus. The rail
fairies have a large number of trails and picked and
wings in which the containers from the rail to and
onto the other fairies. I'll do it all the time
when the odd teddy is off and when there's excess
rail freight. So do we need I mean the thing

(12:59):
on it is do we need do we need rail
capability for the fairies? Or not understand that it seems
like perhaps we don't anyway. Nineteen past eight oh eight
hundred and eighty. I love how everyone's now an expert
on what do they have to replace the bolts and
the pylon for? Do they rust out? Do they seems

(13:24):
to seems to in some so what was that last
guy's name, Dave? Seems to be in some strange way
that people get some comfort that you know, long serving
work when that someone's now not doing it right. Wasn't
that nowadays? But it does seem remarkable. You can remove
all the remove all the bolts. I think it's brought

(13:50):
a great deal of joy to the older people out
of the workforce. Now they went out down that had
never happened, particularly the linesman up there and all well.
I mean they'll tell you what the lines when they're
up there at the top, as far as respect people
have for them out there and terrible wea they're trying
to get the power back on. But goodness, Marcus. The

(14:14):
rail line to Ortelier at Mortiwa has been closed for
seven years. The train was running to the Fontira plant
at Cody until CYCLINGE Gabriel. They've just finished repairing that
and it's meant to happen shortly or Telier line is
meant to reapen eventually. It's probably on hold nowt of
the north portspur is built. Gather that's right, because I

(14:34):
thought with Shane Jones when he was with that provincial
government fund they put a huge amount of money to
open a railway yard at Mordiwa to bring down a
lot of it was clay. I think there's pristine clay

(14:54):
that's developed there. I think I've got that right. Yeah,
they put ninety five from the Provential Growth Fund into it,
and I'm pretty sure that was what they were doing.

(15:16):
I'll have to get on to Google maps and see
what's happening up there. Anyway, eight hundred eighty ten eighty nine,
two years he said that if the Mars and Point
Link became stage two, the next move would be to
get up the rail headed Atterier near Morua to get
the logs on the rail. So yeah, but yeah, I
think cyclone Gabriel has caused all sorts of headaches with

(15:40):
rail north of Auckland. Anyway, we are talking about the
interell And ferry, and I'm sure you've got comments on that.
I'd like to hear what they are, because this was
the this was the one fairy that was able to
take rail wagons. They're going to be carefully say wagons

(16:01):
are not carriages because carriages are for people. And is
that something that is a must have? That's I don't
really understand, because I would think everything that goes by
rail nows and containers and you just flip them off
and flip them off onto one of those little trucks
and put them on the ferry that way. So yeah,
I don't know what they're edited costs. And then it
comes to the point where why you're setting stuff out

(16:21):
of the port of Littleton. That might be easier if
you want to take it on and off trucks and
trains at Pickton, you may as well just send it
on train from ship from Littleton. Anyway, Oh, eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty and nine to nine to the text.
You go, anything else to mention about what we're going
on about tonight, be good to hear for you who
got breaking news. I am looking into that situation with

(16:42):
that boat with two people missing off Gisbon. By the way,
fog is back at Auckland Airport. If you're heading out
to the airport, you might it might pay to cool
your jets. A number of domestic flights have been canceled
delay after fog restrictions were put in place at Aukland Airport.

(17:02):
This evening seven eleven pm, forty one domestic regional flights,
with a further thirty seven flights delayed. There are return
of restrictions this evening meant about forty more domestic flights
had been canceled PMR. What's PMR? Auckland PMR? Oh, I

(17:24):
don't know all my things? What's PMR?

Speaker 7 (17:30):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (17:30):
Palmerston, Blendham, Totong and Napier, Keddy, Kendy, fun ar A,
new Plymouth, Todonga, Nelson PMR. I don't know what that is?
An airport code? Someone texts me through that quickly. I
don't know what that is and that's I feel embarrassed
about that. Would it be? Must be Palmeston? Yeah, Parmeston

(17:51):
North PMR? No, it's not that, is it? What airport
code is PMR? Palmerston North? There we go? Didn't know
that you got fogg?

Speaker 6 (17:59):
Where you are?

Speaker 2 (18:00):
Steve Marcus here? Welcome?

Speaker 13 (18:01):
Yeah, we've had it all day and it's still where
by the way your northern line. I'm going up to
Helensville on Wednesday. I hear down the line it's virtually
going to be abandoned. Do you far too much to do?
Fort to be economically repaired? But I'll hear more about

(18:23):
it on.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
Are you connected with railway? Are you connected with rail people?

Speaker 13 (18:27):
I'm a I'm a railway enthusiast from glenn Brook and yeah,
there there's.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
Some good young people getting involved in glenn Brook. Now
there's some smart people there.

Speaker 16 (18:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (18:42):
Yeah, they're learning learning all about steam.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
And it's up on steam. That's not what do they
want to give up on that? But the death of
the railway communities or that obsession with steam. People want diesel.
No one's around the roombers steam anymore. Anyway, that's my
take on that one. Marcus Kelvin your Hawks Bay reporter

(19:11):
is the expert part in construction. Oh, Calvin, Yes, that's right.
He doesn't go back. I don't know why they take
all the bolts off. What were they trying to do?
Do they rust? Anyway? How do your horses? If I'll
get to you and I canned people anyway? Someone says

(19:33):
the government focus continues to be on nineteen fifties agistics,
mad As the putting rail and road wildly inefficient. What
would you support in set of rail and road? What
would you put in the steed Zeppelins? Good eating? Bennett's Marcus, welcome.

Speaker 9 (19:48):
You, Marcus's Dean Tolander. So I can't see why we
can't just get boats the same size. We don't have
to spend all that money on the infrastructure and judging
the channel and all that get three boats the same size.
Replace those three. It'll be a it's a lot cheaper
because I don't know any company that would make, you know,

(20:09):
just over one hundred million dollars a year in revenue
and go spend close to four billion dollars. No company
in the world would do that. It's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
How much of those because I mean, there aren't. It
seemed as though when Nikola Willis said we're going to
lease some, they quite quickly said, well there is none
available to least, we really need to build them. That
did seem obvious. So there's a team.

Speaker 9 (20:33):
Yeah, yeah, I reckon build them, keep bring new ones
so then they last and we don't have to worry
about them for a Well.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
But it'll take them. They only last twenty twenty five years,
and they'll be take ten years to build.

Speaker 9 (20:45):
It seems well the only just what commissioned these in
twenty twenty twenty twenty one, and they were going to be
ready by twenty twenty six. Okay, not ready to use
by then. Yeah, but they're just on the Blue Bridge,
so they may. They made a twenty six million dollar
profit last year. They both are half the size of
the enter island, I carry half the amount of passengers,

(21:06):
are even cheaper because I could travel on them a
lot and they make a profit. And they've only got
two boats, and so something's very wrong from the management
and q E Rail that are running into Roland. Are
they you know? I don't see how private company can
it's got less room on their boats and has got
you know, and sells your tickets for cheaper, can make

(21:29):
a profit and get q E Rail is losing me.
Ben is a problem?

Speaker 17 (21:35):
Ben?

Speaker 2 (21:35):
Does Bluebridge provide exactly the same service or are there
some core services that they are inter Islander has to perform.

Speaker 9 (21:45):
Well, look, okay, the entrollment is probably more so sorted
to freight and rail and stuff. But so blue Bridge
they don't derail, but they do freight.

Speaker 12 (21:54):
And when you're a.

Speaker 9 (21:54):
Passenger on board and taking your car, I actually find
the difference between the two. Blue Bridge is more reliable.
They're always on time, they always leave on time, and
if there's a problem, they'll come car to car and
actually tell you that there's going to be a wait.
In Toroland, they don't do that. They just make your
weight on the wall for hours on the end and
you're trying to figure out what's going on, and they

(22:17):
never seem to leave one time. Notice they're always like
twenty minutes, half an hour, eight And you go inside
the food on the interrol and I'll.

Speaker 12 (22:25):
Give it there.

Speaker 9 (22:25):
It's great. And they've got their VIP lounge thing, it's great.

Speaker 12 (22:30):
Blooebridge had that.

Speaker 9 (22:32):
But the difference between the two, I've always noticed Blue
Bridges a little bit cheaper and it's more liable.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
Yeah, I guess, I guess I can't really opponent on
that until I know exactly what the brief of the interronda,
what they're supposed to do, and what services they're supposed
to provide, and whether the Blue Bridge is providing all
of those or if they just kind of taking the
cream off the top. So I don't know. Maybe we'll
find out something. But that's why I thought i'd just
opened the general discussion. But you did you say you

(22:58):
worked on them, Ben.

Speaker 9 (23:00):
No, No, I travel on them. I've got kids in
the North holand I was in Dary school holiday, so
you don't know about five times a year, and yeah,
I'll travel on I'll try and travel on Blue Bridge,
but sometimes you know, you can't get a seat so
you jump on into islander. But yeah, I've just over
the last of the eighteen years, I've had a lot more,
a lot more good from Bluebridge than what I had

(23:22):
in New Irelander.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
It's just theirly Don Marcus welcome.

Speaker 18 (23:26):
Okay, Marcus is certainly asking the right questions tonight. There's
a lot of really interesting background coming out from quite
a few of the callers. I'm quite enjoying the show.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
And what did you want to add on? Thank you?

Speaker 18 (23:43):
The one I things that strikes me about this whole
MESSI there's a bit of talk about the size of
these new boats that have been canceled, and I went
to have a look a bit of a look at
how big those are. According to Wikipedia. I looked at
the history since about nineteen sixty something, when the ferry
Service became the inter Island or whatever it is today.

(24:07):
We're over doubling, over doubling. The government signed up to
overdouble Key rail signed up to overdouble these boats. It
seems crazy. The other really interesting thing I noticed was.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
The ferry was since the seventies. Is it say, the sixties, sixties, seventies.

Speaker 18 (24:27):
It's on Wikipedia if people want to look it up.
I don't look at the specifics. But what was really
what I was more interested in is that the history
of the boat seems to be that we turn these
things over every twenty five years like chockwork. And what
that meant for me is that really planning for new
boats should have started in about twenty seventeen and then

(24:49):
they should have been delivered around twenty twenty two, twenty
twenty three.

Speaker 5 (24:55):
So all was chatter.

Speaker 18 (24:56):
I can understand why the labor guys. It feels like
the labor posse are going hard out at present to
put this on Nikola Willis and the current national government.
When when I start to have a look at it,
I'm like, this should have just been done and dusted
last term.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
So it was there was a lot of discussion about
moving the whole ferries, getting rid of picked In and
going to Clifford Bay. I think it was Clifford Bay,
and that took quite a long time to work out
what was happening there, and I presume that would have
had different ferry requirements as well. That would be my
indication because a lot of this seems that the trouble

(25:35):
of the new boats was predicated by the fact that
that to go down through the sounds as well.

Speaker 18 (25:40):
So yeah, yeah, and I still.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
Can't quite work out why they stopped going to I mean,
I think subsequently with some seismic events, they've decided probably
was the right move not to go there.

Speaker 4 (25:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (25:54):
Jerry Browny looked at canvas stats in his last in
the previous term before that, and as I understand, discounted
it around twenty and fifteen as an option since then
we had to are earthquakes. And interestingly, there were a
few locals POA about that exact issue.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
John, Are you involved? Are you involved in all with this?

Speaker 18 (26:18):
No, not at all, not at all, Marcus, just like
many of the callers on this one, just a really
interested observer because because I grew up in Lower Hut,
you're seeing at late six late seventies, early eighties, so
you know, my family we'd be getting on those fairies
to go on holidays, and you know, like everyone in
Lower Hute used to hate the fact that it was

(26:40):
a bit like the lottery, whether they whether they go
on strike, just as you were supposed to go on
family holidays. So, I mean, it's just part of my childhood,
that whole space. You know. I love the fairies these days.
I traveled by the Blue Bridge. Personally, I loved what
that guy had to say a bit earlier about the
Blue Bridge and how he likes that service. I certainly

(27:01):
like that.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
So here's a question for you, don in the next
twenty five years, do you think the number of the
amount of traffic going across the Cook Straight would increase,
decrease or increase significantly.

Speaker 18 (27:15):
It's definitely going to increase, I think, but I don't
believe it's now.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
So how would increase with more camper vans, tourists, goods,
dry goods.

Speaker 18 (27:27):
I think, I believe.

Speaker 4 (27:29):
I think.

Speaker 18 (27:30):
My belief is the Transmission Gully has certainly opened up
that northern space to come into Wellington, and I can
see tourism through that, more.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
People taking, more people taking their cars because of Transmission Gully.

Speaker 18 (27:43):
And it really is a holiday It really is a
holiday space there as well. I can also see the
increase in I can see it's just increasing more production
from the South Island and moving that around the place.
Historically we've been increasing movements all the time. But I
think I do I agree with the people have suggested

(28:03):
that what we should have got was for of the
similar sort of size to what we've got now seems
to be. I mean, when I was a kid, the
boat was thirteen thousand tons roughly today the andre Island
ones are around twenty two to twenty five thousand gross
laden tons. The Blue Bridge ones are a little bit larger.

(28:24):
They're maxing out at twenty seven thousand tons, and these
guys are talking about going to fifty thousand tons. So
and then I.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
Think, psycholog I think psychologically there was something quite good
about the fact that it was going to be a
big faery because it's sort of a sketchy bit of water.
And I think probably there's been history there with the
way he needs. I think probably people have re reassured
by the fact they were going to be big boats.
That's just the one thing.

Speaker 18 (28:51):
He was a tiny boat by comparison, exactly.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
And that's the point I'm making a completely doll is
that people probably you know, can see that sketch of water.
If everything bigger is better for those people that think,
perhaps I don't really want to go by boat, but
hang on again, these big boats, maybe it will be.
And of course the way Hen came from a little time,
I'm aware of that too. Nice to talk. Don thank
you MICUs. Replacing strategic level infrastructure is unpopular and expensive,

(29:18):
but bad news doesn't get cheaper with time. It's from
Mike MICUs who knew and Zini we had so many
experts on marine salvage, so many who know so much
more than the actual people involved with operating the ferry. Well,
you're going to understand people because you see this. The
first thing that happened was the power pylon fell down,

(29:42):
and people said, goodness me, they took out all the bolts.
So had two infrastructure failures and two nights, and one
did appear to be through absolute stupidity. So I guess
they are just well enlarging on that, extrapolating what's gonna

(30:11):
go next? I think it's gonna be the water. Shouldn't
we say these things? But does make you wonder? Oh
eight hundred eighty ten eighty and nine two nine two
detext British papers have got shows. British papers have got
articles on how to how to protect your pet during
the UK's mini heat wave. There you go so very

(30:37):
much summer over there at the moment and get in touch.
You want to be a part of the show. Marcus
till midnight tonight, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. It
seems like Paul McCartney enjoyed Taylor swift surprise. She didn't
get them on. I'll talk about the fairies because something
quite important about the fairies. I'm gonna go loom quite

(31:02):
large in our sych and there wouldn't be many countries
just of two major islands with the fairies that link
between them. So yeah, I mean it's kind of messive,
I think, more so than.

Speaker 19 (31:23):
What they do.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
They symbolize something granitic might It's not a bit sketch
what I'm saying there, but you know, I mean, this
is the road from the top to the bottom, and
that's part.

Speaker 20 (31:30):
Of the road.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
Is the ferry. So yeah, you might want to say
something about that.

Speaker 6 (31:41):
Mark.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
It's not the first time the ships have run aground
in the sounds, that's right. But it's not about the
ships running a ground. It's about the ships and about
their fitness, and about maintenance and about the way their
service is provided. There's all a matter of questions and
just that you don't privatize the roads, you know, I
don't know that I necessarily I'm thinking that the whole

(32:01):
privatization of the fairies is the answer. Older at s Marcus,
Good Evening and Welcome.

Speaker 21 (32:09):
Good Evening Marcus. The series Well this was on the
after six o'clock tonight and gave the full rundown. The
theories have not been canceled, as people have been surmising.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
Okay, I I don't don't think anyone's I don't think
I've heard anyone think that the fairies have been canceled.
I've never heard anyone say that.

Speaker 21 (32:34):
Okay, no, they can't cancel them otherwise they get blacklisted,
and so they'll still have to have them. These these
faeries are bigger and they have to make changes.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
I sorry, I see what you're saying. You're talking about
the theories. You're talking about the theories, the ones that
brought overseas.

Speaker 21 (32:54):
Yeah, that's ordered from Korea.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
Yes, No, I'm not.

Speaker 21 (33:05):
The fairries that are ordered for replacement for the fairies
from Wellington to Pecton. That's still going ahead, although they
are bigger fairies and the wolves have to be changed
or to accommodate these fairies. And she did mention that

(33:27):
the draft of the ship, you know, and she mentioned
the lumatop, so there might be a problem with getting
the ships down to Pecton. I don't know, there's not
a lot of information at the moment, but she said,
well they could seldom and then get three smaller ones.

(33:47):
But they carry trains which are heavy, and that's why
they've got the bigger fairies. And they have a lot
of tricks on there as well. But I'm concerned that
the railways are running these fairies and they should be
run by the mariners. They should have somebody who is

(34:10):
more better equipped and have proper qualified people, not sometimes
replacement people. I don't know what the situation is today.
My late husband was a marine engineer, and you know,
for all these things to be going wrong is I

(34:30):
don't know, just have to wait and see what happens.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
It's my understanding that it's my understanding that the fairies,
the contract with the Koreans with the fairies was canceled.
They've got to get out of it some way or
something like that. But who have you heard talking about it?

Speaker 21 (34:48):
Yeah, they can't get out of it otherwise they be
blacklisted and they won't be able to get any fairies
from anywhere. They won't be able to get any built anywhere.
If they get blacklisted, so they have to continue with
the order.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
Okay, who was saying this, Lola, Nicola Willis.

Speaker 21 (35:13):
She was on zb after six o'clock tonight on your station.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
Okay, I'll drag out the audio and I can't. I
can't really see what you're alluding to there, Lola. All
I've got now is from the zb IS. It says
that the finance bus thinks he says existing supply of
ferries can keep operating. On twenty twenty nine, Nichola Willis says,
the governor has plenty of time to replace the existing fairies.

(35:44):
The Governor's committed to ensuring we've got safe level vessels
we can accept. We want to replace the existing vessels.
I can't see anything about that contract that was there,
but thank you. Whatever happened to that train that fell
off the ferry into the strait, didn't a whole lot
of them fall off?

Speaker 7 (36:02):
Is there?

Speaker 2 (36:02):
The whole point of Prebble's book is that someone was
in Picton and that they were that a ferry, not
that a rail wagon went off the end of the wharf,
and they said a diver down to find it. And
the diver came back and said, well, which one do
you want? And there are a whole lot of railway
wagons off the end of the wolf. That's the whole

(36:23):
basis I think of Prebble's book. I'm almost sure of it.
A whole lot down there. Just it went down there
with Gaya Bendon. Anyway, get in touch. My name's Marcus
Hurdled twelve fourteen past nine, eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty Yeah, dB, it's Marcus. Good evening and welcome.

Speaker 5 (36:44):
Good ay, first time corner. But you may be hearing
more from me over the next month or so. So
you get pissed off with men. Look anyway, ferries in
a couple of things. Though they couldn't put her into
a reverse. She's got six pitch propellers and sensie to
stop the propeller shaft and send it backwards. Can't just

(37:07):
do that your break a propeller shaft, drop a propeller
into the deep. We've already done that somewhere outside of
leaving the sounds. She dropped the propeller. That was not
for that reason, but it does that sort of thing. Yes,
we need bigger theories. If you remember back in the

(37:27):
good old days when we had the Arrahura.

Speaker 22 (37:32):
So yes, Oh god, Arahura was the biggest theory on
on the Cook Straight when she was purchased.

Speaker 5 (37:43):
She was the smallest ferry when she finally gave up
her service. She was so small that she could not
take standard shucks on the rail deck. The rail deck
wasn't tall enough. So yeah, road transport has got larger.

(38:03):
We now have fifty ton trucks. We need bigger theories.
If you want into Ireland movement of heavy goods, it's
sort of almost that simple.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
dB hmm. Are you and I'm not saying this to
pick holes in what you're saying, but do you have
any involvement the point I'm trying to okay the point
I'm trying to work out, right, are you involved in
logistics or manufacturing because but the question I don't understand

(38:39):
is the South Island and the North Island more autonomous
with goods now or is it more with centralization that
everything's coming out of megafactories having to be sent around
the whole of the country. Is there more goods going.

Speaker 5 (38:54):
Or yeah, there's just simply more talented because we don't
have a coastal shipping work anymore. Yes, anything that has
to go by a truck between the North and South
Island is constrained by going across Cook straight. Now the
Blue Bridge, of course, sought opportunity there. What was that
back in the eighties when they first started with their

(39:17):
little boat and they've gone from strength to strength. I
think they're now owned by main trade, but it could
be wrong there. Their boats are substantial and they often
leave fall with people left behind, not enough room. The
only way I see Into Island line competing with that

(39:42):
is to get bigger boats. I mean, even when you
were young, you could cross the road and probably not
have to look both ways. You know, we're a nation
of transport now and we need more boats to move
more stuff, both people as well and.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
dB. What I feel the way manufacturing New Zealand's gone,
or even imported stuff, is that it seems as though
a lot of it's moved to the North Island. You've
got manufacturing hubs there and therefore a lot more stuff
that's been sent to the South Island. Where South Island
used to have autonomy for all sorts of goods, it
doesn't seem to have that now.

Speaker 5 (40:22):
Yeah, but you're thinking of goods South Island produces things
that have to go north. Think, oh, and most of
it's containerized, of course, But I'm just trying to think
of some of the more valuable things that go out
north from the South Island. Some of your weeks. I
don't think we've transport coal from the South Island. I'm

(40:44):
just thinking what goes on rail basically. But if it's
been a container and it's going to go into Ireland,
it has to go on a boat.

Speaker 12 (40:54):
And ported goods.

Speaker 5 (40:55):
Most imports for all of New Zealand go into one
of the portsides of the North Island Life or Auckland.
So if they're going to go south, they've got to
go on a boat. Now, up until not so long ago,
what we'd do is tick them on a train. The
train would go across aretry. Is the last rail debt theory? Yes,

(41:22):
and it's some good reasons for that, even though we
take it. You bring a train into Wellington, you take
the containers off a train, put them on a trailer,
put the trailer on its ferry either theory, get it
depecked and take it off the trailer, put it back
on a train in the way it goes again. That
sounds wasteful. But you can get more containers on the

(41:45):
boat by taking them off the rail cars.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
So you believe that, you believe there's no need for
rail on the new ferries.

Speaker 5 (41:58):
That's a double edged sword if you want to send locomotives,
particularly to the North Island for repair and refurbishment. We
only had the hut shops.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
Okay, haven't we got Hillside back up and running this.

Speaker 5 (42:16):
I believe Hillside's coming back online, and that may well
be the case that they'll capture the DX locomotive fleet
to the South Island as I think.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
Yeah, they had a big asbestos problem. They're the rebuilding it.
But I hadn't thought about that. The maintenance of railway wagons.
It's an extremely important thing to do because otherwise should
be stuffed, wouldn't she, because it'd be stuck on one island.
But I would imagine before I would imagine before Labor
commissioned these furies, they must have done surveys to work
out how much stock and population studies, how much stock

(42:50):
and movement would be required in thirty years time. And
at least she can kind of get some idea about that.
You don't know what kind of furies you're going to
need in thirty years time.

Speaker 5 (43:00):
Well only left us what sisteen years ago and she
was tiny. So in the time that Arahara stopped, who
was the biggest boat. And now everything has got there's
more of them and they are bigger. So in thirty
years time.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
Good point.

Speaker 5 (43:18):
I don't know what your crystal ball is like, but
I can't see them getting any smaller again. We had
to lady say that there's problems with their draft. Our
interiorately draws five and a half meters, and we bring
cruise liners into Picton that have a draft of twenty meters.
I think we've got a better space to spare.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
It's an interesting point about how much it's changed in
twenty five years, because that's been a time when the
way pick you know, the old going to the South
ond and the car trip stop because most people dravel
by plane now don't they between the islands, So that
people have stopped. But there must be much much more goods.

Speaker 5 (43:58):
Absolutely, and even with tourists. If you have a rental car,
you don't take your rental car across the ferries. You
dump it in Wellington, you pick a new one up,
infect it. Because passengers don't take up a lot of room.
Frank takes up a lot of room.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
Are there any advantages to two ferries as opposed to
a lot of ferries, to bigger ferries, because that means
you're getting I mean, you're getting less sailings, aren't you,
but bigger sailings. I guess that's other efficiencies there with
staff and stuff.

Speaker 5 (44:30):
Technically we've got six now, three for Bluebridge, three for
Into Island, so you have almost always one of them
there on Cyclic's maintenance.

Speaker 23 (44:44):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (44:45):
So now you're running with four and they run like
Christmas holidays. You have to book six ounthsd of bar
City's your vehicle on a fery because there's noose space.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
Which is kind of which kind of which kind of
seems a bit backwards because people can't plan six. You
want to have some flexibility too, don't you, for people
to stuff like that? A bigger boat. I agree, that's
that's the way I've always landed. I think you do
need a bigger boat. That's because the last thing we
want to be doing is to order these new boats.
It will take us ten years, and then they think

(45:19):
we're going to need a bigger boat, and that's a
reckond what's going to happen.

Speaker 5 (45:22):
When the shark putso head out the wood and tries
to poke a propelago. But one other thing that a
lot of people.

Speaker 19 (45:29):
Don't get.

Speaker 5 (45:32):
Double the size of the vessel. He goes up by
a factor of eight, which means more comfort going across
what is a very dangerous piece of water. So people
can remember being thrown about in the Aratikas the a
hungers horrible, which were tiny boats. They moaned out the

(45:56):
movement of these bigger ships, and they are fantastically more stable.
A bigger boat mean we can take on slightly bigger seas,
which means they don't get canceled quite as often, but
we will still cancel them. Cooks straight is a dangerous

(46:16):
place of water.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
Nice to hear from your dB. Good stuff. Always good
to hear from a mariner. Oh waight hundred and eighty
ten eighty. If you want to be in touch the fairies, Yeah,
and I guess I do think it's an I well,
it's an important thing because also it's a bit of
a bucket list thing for Kiwis two to get on

(46:39):
the Fairies. It's sort of something that looms large and
being in New Zealand. There I reckon the inter island
fair Good. I remember the excitement I felt the first
time I did it. Cheapers don't know if people feel
like that way. It almost feels like you've got to
get to the end of the country and you've got
to get on the fairies if people still feel that.
But of course it loomed large for people of certain

(47:01):
age grip because of the way he need. I realized
who the way Heny wasn't an inter island ferry, but
it wasn't you know. It was came out of Littleton.
And I think there's that as well, that you know,
people want something but substantial because of what he and
we all saw that storm that came down and the ship. Anyway, Marcus,

(47:27):
that was brilliant. dB should be your new maritime correspond
I learned more than five minutes. Any info from John,
according to Nicola wellis there's the spaired of the cancellation
of the ferry contract and the exit clause. Career is
threatening a blacklisting of trade, so negotiations are underway over it.
The transmitterstory prefers boats the current size, more regular sailings

(47:48):
and larger boats with less sailings, then you can send
the freight throughout the day and night. I know they
thought when they first were cancing the fairies that they
could sell them to some other provider or some other
service provider, some other one that would need the ferries.
So Marcus, when I was teaking, we went on a
school trip and padapada Umu Primary School. He went to

(48:09):
the arranda. That might be a tricky word, the arrenda.
What would be like a randa? Anyway, the ship from
Willington depict and my mum took me on it and
it cost wonder on thirty cents. When I returned. When
I turned fifteen, I put my ninety sixty five peb
vox on the faerry cost thirty dollars. Fifty years ago
from Clark, Marcus, just hearing that man talking about the

(48:35):
Ada Huda, did you know that it came to Timidoo
in eighty or eighty one for refit and survey? Paul,
can I just acknowledge two right? That we always talk
about as certain reluctance to giving things moldy names, But

(48:57):
it seems when the entwine fairies and boats, we've always
done very well with that, haven't we? The even when
I was up at Aukland wondering around West Taven seems
to be a long kind of history of giving boats
model name. It's not quite sure what that is through
that is, but there we go. Just so I put
that there for a mention. I haven't got any comments
about the All Blacks. I watched a bit of the

(49:21):
final of the Super Rugby wet conditions foregone conclusion from
the very beginning. It wasn't an exciting match, was it.
But people are beside themselves that it's sold out. So
there we go. There's that people say in park's fantastic
when it's sold out. Oh anyway, just look at those

(49:51):
comments from freend O'Sullivan. Oh wait on at eight and
nine two ninety six, Marcus till midnight tonight, do get
touched onto or anything else you want to mention tonight
feel free? What do you think the next infrastructure disaster
a we're going to have is we've gone well with
water for a while after the old Havelock North one.
What was that cryptosporidium people getting sick with gastro Are

(50:18):
you anything to add to that? Eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty and nine nine two detext Marcus till twelve.
Some of the other stuff I probably need to tell.

Speaker 15 (50:28):
You about.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
That you need to know about Seinfield's and Auckland. Tonight
must be christ Church tomorrow night. I would think Matariki
this Friday. The presidential debate is Thursday. I won't be
watching that. I think probably, yeah, wow. I don't even

(50:57):
know what you do if youre in America about watching that. Goodness,
I don't know if it be a rating, but or
not Friday afternoon our time. Of course, Trump would love
it if it's a rating. Bananza was obsessed with the ratings.
The ratings were through the roof, ratings like they've never

(51:18):
had before, extraordinary ratings. Then there's the xylophone hands people
in contacting me saying how did you get those good ratings?
In the UK election fourth of July and Trump sentencing
for the study four felony charges on the eleventh of July,

(51:42):
and just over a month, thirty three days until the
Paris Olympics. What you might have copped about the Paris
Olympics I've been aware of, and I apologize if this
is old information to you. The surfings in Tahiti, that's weird.

Speaker 13 (52:04):
In it.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
I don't know if there's ever been an event in
the Olympics so far away from the main stadium. And
then we've got the Olympics. Is that the next one
of the one after next? In Los Angeles?

Speaker 19 (52:16):
Right?

Speaker 2 (52:17):
And what they are doing is they are having the
swimming in the football stadium. It's exciting, isn't it? Building
a temporary pool? Yeah, in an NFL stadium twenty twenty
Oh what year is it? Twenty twenty eight? Of course

(52:38):
with Trump, I meant accordion hands, not xylophone hands. I
got my euphemism. No do we brings them in and
out like they meaginary xylophone Marcus swing to Jerry Seinfeld,
Yes was a short show, but he had me laugh
in the entire time. Have been to Jerry Seinfeld. Fantastic,
Darren Marc is harbor Bridge to collap neck collapse next.

(52:59):
It's already past its fifty year guarantee period. Will cause
death and economic destruction. How come that wasn't in your predictions? Goodness?
And thought about that? Wow, the old cast strangled spinner, Yeah,

(53:23):
what would happen if that went? Were long time to
get another one? Would change Auckland wouldn't it You always
have autonomy for the north shore. They might finally resolve
Takapuna anyway, Mackett's Marcus, good evening and welcome Hi.

Speaker 24 (53:45):
Just something that clicked over in my memory. In the fifties,
my mum would take four of us kids by rail
from Howard to We ended up a Nash version, but
we went on into island ferries like the Tenny Moher
and the Maori and vehicles were loaded by slink.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
So what you drive on to a you'd drive on
to fabric between the four wheels and they'd lift it
up with a crane.

Speaker 19 (54:15):
Is that right?

Speaker 24 (54:16):
Like a big well, No, it was like a platform
and they drove on to it, chained it down and
then the change went up to the ship's derek and
it got lifted up, put on the deck and it
was parked and then the reverse process back down to
pick up the next car.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
Okay, now I'm going to ask you a questions. I
like you people with your words, and I don't know
all the words from oldie timy days. What would be
the main difference between a derek and a crane?

Speaker 24 (54:45):
I think one pertains to either a ship or a wharf,
and the other would pertain to a crane you'd find
in a construction side.

Speaker 9 (54:55):
That's just a theory.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
Yeah, okay, you don't don't come across many Derek's now
it's gone out like Barry's a name, hasn't it Derek?

Speaker 24 (55:04):
Yeah, yeah, So I think the dairies of the Dereks
were fixed. I both on board the ship and on
the walls.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
Hell, it's a big holiday for mother, to an ambitious
holiday for mother to embark on from Howard to esh Burton.

Speaker 24 (55:21):
I think we did that for probably about seven or
eight Christmases. It was to give my mom a break
because the dad was working, of course, and we were
farmed out amongst family Amn's family in Ashburton, and she
always did the night or the day before, and the

(55:42):
night before she'd do a lot of baking and making
savages because we never went into the refreshment rooms. We
took our own three with us, the only sort of
luxury we had. When the boat train got into christ Church,
we would get a taxi to my mum's sister's place
where we'd have breakfast and a bit of a catch up,

(56:04):
and then we'd catch what we would call the slow
train from christ Church and that headed down to the
Needen I think, and we've get off at Ashberson.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
And just to recollect. Was your mother with you or
you're out accompanied miners?

Speaker 24 (56:18):
I know mom was with us, Okay when.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
You said to give mom a break, but yeah, okay,
so she was there and then they found you out, okay.

Speaker 24 (56:24):
Yep, yeah, well it was a break from up. Yeah.
The family looked after us collectively. My brother and I
stayed with one name, uncle named, and my sister stayed
with another one, and the little my wee brother John
and sister Gail stayed with nanny and granddad and Mum.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
Nice to hear from you, Mac, Thank you.

Speaker 7 (56:47):
Now.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
Someone said, someone said with the Melbourne Olympics that the
equestrian was held in ard in Stockholm because of quarantine.
Will that be right? A great quiz question. Surely that

(57:08):
can't be right. Why they even have a questioned of
the Olympics. Goodness, gracious it was at Stockholm. Hello, Peter,
it's Marcus. Welcome.

Speaker 3 (57:24):
Yes, good evening. I want to get onto the ferries
because no one's mentioned the fact that the ship was
already doing four knots and that's very, very slow. If
you've got a loose steerage, if you've got a tail
tide that's more than that plus ahead wind or something

(57:45):
like that, it could easily just lose steerage and turned
very quickly, And no one's mentioned that. And I wondered
why it was only doing four knots?

Speaker 2 (57:54):
Peter, is it unreasonably slow?

Speaker 3 (57:57):
Unreasonably slow?

Speaker 4 (57:58):
All right?

Speaker 3 (57:58):
Yes, I mean that's a bit like a fast walk
or maybe a.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
Slow So are you saying it could be compared it
because there was something hang on it? Well, I mean
the fact that it was going slow was fortunate given
the fact that it's Are you saying they might have
already been aware that there was trouble with a steering.

Speaker 3 (58:18):
I'm saying that there's nothing wrong with the steering of
a ship goes so slowly, say four knots and there's
a tail tide going out, I'd say six stots. She
just loses steerage really and through her head whin jumping
into the turn, the boat rounds really quickly.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
I'm glad I came back and questioned that. So you're
saying it might be not a problem with a steering,
it might be a problem of the propulsion, and the
fact that couldn't get up to speed meant it was
vulnerable to the tide coming the other way or the wind.

Speaker 3 (58:48):
No, I think it was it was a captain sailing.
Why was he sailing on only four knots and nothing
wrong with a propulsion. It could have gone ten knots
and it would have been much sater.

Speaker 15 (58:59):
Okay, you see what I'm getting at.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
And they long bladed kind so you're so you're saying
it mightn't have been a steering malfunction though that slow
speed would have put it on the rocks.

Speaker 3 (59:09):
I'm saying that the fastest speed that would have maintained
steerage much better. And I don't know there's any wrong
with a rudder or steering at all. It might have
been that they just lost steerage because of the tied
speed of the tide. The wind just turned it and
didn't take much to certain a big ship like that

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if you lose steerage.

Speaker 19 (59:33):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (59:33):
You know, we go on about infrastructure and how bad
the fairies are, but it's exactly the same problem as
the guitar in North Auckland where the people were ignored
under all the bolts. Yeah, same thing.

Speaker 8 (59:51):
With the ship.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
But it may not be anything wrong with the ship.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
But but there's extremely extremely skill pet positioned, meanly kept
and they would be back up there as well. He
would be the only eyes or ease if he was
under if it was underpowered.

Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
Well, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:00:10):
You don't know, do you?

Speaker 23 (01:00:12):
You?

Speaker 19 (01:00:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 20 (01:00:13):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
And you your ex your ex Mariner.

Speaker 3 (01:00:17):
I've men I knows very many times.

Speaker 24 (01:00:19):
I started was in the navy during the war and over.

Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
Doesn't matter whether you're a ship, a boat or an aeroplane.
You can install a thing, but it's going too slow
and same with the ship.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
Nice to hear from you, Peter, Thank you. Five to
ten min namers. Marcus, welcome HDDLED twelve O eight, one
hundred eighty ten eighty, nineteen ninety to text Marcus. A
crane has driven mechanically or manually. A derek is a
mast or boom controlled by guy ropes or wires. That's
the same thing to me and people loving Jerry Seinfeld.

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Marcus also interested in the nineteen forty eves originally awarded
to Tokyo but canceled after the invasion of China, but
reused some sites for the eventual nineteen sixty four Tokyo
Olympics must have been a big deal to give the
Japanese Olympics in sixty four, just saying and getting to oh,

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by the way, also, the all Black team has been named.
That's all happened. Scott Barrett is the new captain. I

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don't know what the take on that is where that
fits within history, but that's a situation there. And the
pylon that fell, routine maintenance was being carried out by

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three people on the base plate.

Speaker 7 (01:02:16):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
All nuts securing the tower to the base plate on
three of its legs were removed, which caused the tower
to lift off the base plate and fall. Proper besieges
were not followed. One hundred thousand people in north and
were at work as a result of that. The maintenance

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where was carried out by Omexum There you go, although
the managing director said the competency of the people involved
was not an issue. They are competent in what they do.
We can't allow anyone who's incompetent to work on the network.
Just on the back of the All Blacks, two are
in the bolted too. There's a red interesting article before

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cap to Weekday about Pasili or Tussi, who was a
he's well, he's not a south Inder, but he came
to play for the South and Stags I believe, played
as club rugby with Marist and then they converted him

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from number eight to a prop. Wasn't wanted by the Highlanders,
but then of course got a super contract and yeah,
certainly played for the Southern Stags for a couple of years.
He made the move in Chicago from Marto in twenty

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seventeen to link with the rugby South and Academy system
he had been using. And see we scored rugby lee
rep and was one hundred and forty kgs helped Maris
get the gal Braith's Shield and was involved in the Stags. Yep,
so there you go. Still the well I was going

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to say, still the prop factory with Ethan the group
from there also, So there you go. That's a situation there.
Now my name is Marcus. Here we are talking about
the fairies, enjoying all of it, so keep going through.
We want to talk more about that. Doesn't seem as
they're going to be a tunnel, but yeah, I think
probably I can understand why there is sum much interest
in the fairies, because it's psychologically Loombsburg in this country.

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We're two islands and how do you collect them? Connect
them by a ferry? And it's also to ns slept
by a fairy. And there's been tragedy there with the
fifty one or however and he killed when the Wahini
capsized or sank or whatever the expression is there. So
I quite the idea of bigger boats, but I think
there's going to be a lot more demand for that

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service and possible to already work out what's going to happen.
It would be my ideal, my dream for the South
Island numbers.

Speaker 7 (01:05:09):
To get.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
Not up there. But I don't think the Southign's going
to become the most populous island in the country. But yeah,
i'd be good. It'd be good if there was sort
of some sort of redress to the balance. I think
that's going to be good for the economy of the country,
if you have some sort of break on the growth
of the Auckland Hamilton fung A a area. But that

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might happen, might not happen. Certainly, Silotago's going gangbusters anyway.
We are talking about the andrealander, the one that's on
the rocks or now I'm not on the rocks, but yeah,
you might want to talk about that mentioned that eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty and nine to nine two
de text ten or midnight, Good evening, Marcus. I've been

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thinking about the pylon coming down and wondered how often
the riggers, contrary to work on ank, work on anchor
the bolts, has done the same thing on the transmission line.
Before this one fell, they probably got away with taking
them all off while the pylones were all in a
straight line, but this one looked like it was a
transmission direction point and on different strains and the others.

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I also worry, and I shouldn't probably say this, but
I worry how vulnerable our power structures to people just
coming along and loosening the bolts doing it deliberately. Does
that make you one? I presume you need to well,
I don't even know if you do need a special tool.
It's a very good point. How many of the others

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have had all the bolts out all six Hi Maria,
it's Marcus. Welcome, Hi Marcus.

Speaker 16 (01:06:48):
I'm just wondering how far out does the tags take
the boat when it's taking it from the.

Speaker 2 (01:06:57):
I don't think that. I don't think. Well, I don't know.
I was look, I didn't think the Entron Furies used tags,
but I might be wrong.

Speaker 12 (01:07:04):
There do they.

Speaker 7 (01:07:10):
Do they?

Speaker 16 (01:07:11):
But I think they bring them in And I've been
on one. I've been on those boats up and down
packed not a lot but a few chimes and every
time recently we're on the but you know, a book
to go on us, and they canceled it the day
that we were coming on us.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
But also, I don't know that the Interim Fearies used tags.

Speaker 16 (01:07:35):
I thought they talked them about I'm not sure.

Speaker 2 (01:07:38):
Well, you got me thinking, oh, I'm down trying to
find a feel and work out what's going. I don't know,
pay much attention out there because someone will know.

Speaker 23 (01:07:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (01:07:49):
Well, also, did they get a drink driving TESTE done
on that captain when they when that happened?

Speaker 6 (01:08:02):
Are you there? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:08:04):
I don't necessarily know that anyone thought it was part
of ere or not part of their captain's era. I
think that there was a malfunction with the steering. But yeah,
I don't know the situation there.

Speaker 16 (01:08:13):
Well, I said the steering was okay, didn't they?

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
I don't know, well, you know had just been fixed.

Speaker 25 (01:08:22):
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 16 (01:08:24):
That's what made me wonder do they do a drink
driving cheap on them?

Speaker 23 (01:08:28):
You know?

Speaker 7 (01:08:28):
How do you know?

Speaker 16 (01:08:29):
You don't know you've been.

Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
There'll be a very there'll be a very thorough research, yeah,
or investigation. But yeah, I don't know if there's any
ideas about what's called it yet. No, they have done
internal investigation.

Speaker 16 (01:08:51):
Let's be on there all lot.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
Yeah, I'll find out Mary, Thank you, Ellen, Marcus welcome?

Speaker 7 (01:08:58):
Hello?

Speaker 14 (01:08:59):
Is that yes?

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
Hi Ellen?

Speaker 3 (01:09:02):
Hey?

Speaker 15 (01:09:03):
What I can't quite comprehend is why management would order
two boats that they can't afford when they could get
one and grow their business and buy another one when
they could afford it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
How do you tell me more about this?

Speaker 15 (01:09:23):
Well, they ordered two boats that went from a few
million to three billion or whatever. That was a huge
increase in price. But why would you ordered two? I
think a lot of it can afford them.

Speaker 2 (01:09:37):
I think a lot of the blow up with the
costing was for the different infrastructure it picked in and
Willington to accommodate the larger boats. Ships.

Speaker 15 (01:09:47):
Yeah, Well, wouldn't you order one boat that you could
afford and then worry about a second one later.

Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
Well, the reason we have governments is for long term planning,
and I guess that's something that governments do well. Supposedly
they think, Okay, by the time twenty forty comes around,
we're going to need two big ships because you got
have a bit of You've got to have a bit
of you got to plan these things in advance. You
can't just wait to any other ship and build one
magic one up and take about ten years. That's what

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infrastructure and full planning is all about. So I can
tell you that, Yeah, me, I don't know what you're
on about, because it says the stay on Friday Keira
else the ship ran aground following a steering failure, so
they're quite clear about that it was a steering failure,
despite the fact that the ship had recently had an
overhall of its steering system. And of course there are
no tugs as I was imagined, so you've got to

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be a bit careful with the info. There are tags
in case that goes aground or they wanted to tug
all where the tug in case it loses power in
the straight like the Katiaki was at seventeen past ten
o'clock Dean, it's Marcus. Good evening. You're there, Dean.

Speaker 12 (01:10:56):
Oh are you great?

Speaker 19 (01:10:57):
Marcus here? Oh, I think you beat me to the
punch here because they used to used to do line
hall cruck and trailers, so I used to go across
all time.

Speaker 6 (01:11:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:11:08):
They only they they back in so the vehicles can
come off at the back and then they just go
straight out. I think the only time that they really
need to use the tugs if they when they were docking,
if it was I suppose a bit windy or rough,
they maybe pushed them in from the side, possibly, but yes, yeah,
other than that, they just hear they you turn around,
your back up, and then all your your vehicles roll off,

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roll off.

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
So they've obviously got a lot bit they've obviously got
a lot better steering and reverse thrusters than would have
a container ship that does require pilots.

Speaker 24 (01:11:39):
And that's right.

Speaker 19 (01:11:40):
Yeah, but you leave me to the punch, so.

Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
Mate appreciate that, Dean, Thank you, Steve, Marcus good evening.

Speaker 6 (01:11:48):
Yeah. Can I just probably a little bit of a
tongue in cheek coming here, but maybe Transpower could invest
in some extra large sort of pylons on the south
the top of the South and bottom of the North.
And if there's an issue with them to own fairies,
they could just get their normal maintenance crew to go

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to these pylons which will fall over and provide a
ramp for the fairies to get off.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
Very good, tongue in chicken. Very good, there we go. Okay, good,
thank you?

Speaker 7 (01:12:19):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
Is that it brilliant? Okay talking chick. Goodness, Anna Marcus, Hello.

Speaker 23 (01:12:25):
Hi, hey, thanks for taking my call. And Dean's beaten
me to it. I grew up in Queen Charlotte Sound,
and so I traveled on the fairies right back as
far as the Ara Mowana and the Aramwana never ever
ever stopped sailing. They went through seas no matter what

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it was. When the wa Hani thank and that's when
they decided to stop the fairies sailing if it was
a ten meter swell, and then later on and I
can't remember why, they changed it down through a five
metre swell. And of course Dean said about the tugs.

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That's what made me wring in. I thought, oh my goodness,
and I did the hand on their head, you know,
the handsmacked on the forehead, because they do not use
tug boats all the fairies, but one of them, one
of them does actually go on bow first, because the
trucks and so forth go off the bow. However, all

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the other fairies they've always reversed in right from the
Aaron Mowana and before that the Tamahiney, and they don't
use tugs unless something serious has happened. The thrusters they
not only have reverse thrusters at the back, but they
also have them on the sides as well, so that

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when the fairy, once it's actually in the birth, they
can then run the side trusters on both the port
and depending on which way the wind is going, and
that's both important. Started So, yeah, yes, it's a shame
what's happened. That's all in regardless, it's very interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
Was that it was the first of the interim ferries
in nineteen sixty two, made in Dumbarton, Scotland.

Speaker 23 (01:14:28):
Correct, correct, I was just going to say that because
I was talking it would be early Saturday morning. Yeah,
And I explained to him then that when they first
built the fairies, they were built in Dumbarton. And then
someone called in or center check saying, oh, I wouldn't

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you know have fairies welf in Scotland or Ireland because
apparently according to what was it the big ship that
sinks so I've forgotten its name.

Speaker 2 (01:15:01):
Oh yeah, okay, sure, yep, okay, yep, yeah, yeah, that
huge fairy.

Speaker 23 (01:15:05):
And I thought it's absolutely ridiculous.

Speaker 17 (01:15:08):
You know that these these.

Speaker 23 (01:15:10):
Companies have built fairies, good seaworthy fairies. Honestly, the one
and the Aaron Yuri and all the other ones, there
was never a problem. Unfortunately this one that has been
brought from Spain, is that correct? That's the one that's
had all the trouble since day one, even when it arrived.

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I remember when it arrived they actually couldn't run it
because they had problems. So they had to, you know, again,
do a lot of work on it and then chest
it and then get it up and running. So it
has been a lemon unfortunately.

Speaker 2 (01:15:52):
In regarding it was from Spain, correct, I thought so?
Even on its maiden voyage took longer because fuses blue.

Speaker 12 (01:16:07):
Yes, yes.

Speaker 23 (01:16:09):
And regarding the bigger fairies, the thing is the channel
Tory Channel is actually quite the narrow channel, so they
have to think of when the larger fairies, even the
cruise ships, when they're coming through some of them actually

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come through the northern entrance, and when they're coming through
the northern entrance, that also is a very very dangerous
entrance because there are more reefs to contend with. So
I feel for the Luxeon. He has kind of you
got your luxon has got quite a lot of things

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to think about in regards to getting the right type
of faery because we can't have this blowout where they're
going to build the huge.

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
Wow, she's self terminated. Very interesting thing about the Aratary,
quite a complicated history, but mind it's done the work.

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Six crossings each day, twenty thousand crossings, two million nautical
kilometers or kilometers, but they gets they're nautical. Yeah, she's
had the bit put in the middle. It does seem
to have always been a problematic ship, the Araitary, and

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with a number of times it's had kind of either
engine malfunctions or steering malfunctions. In fact, there's a fairly
good report from the marine investigators, the trans Actet investigation
on its steering malfunction in both Wellings and Harbor and
Queen Charlotte Sound in February two thousand and five, and

(01:18:12):
the staff have proven to be capable of what they did,
but it suppears to be things like diodes and finding
is it's an incredibly thorough report that you've got their
online as they should be. I think they were just
quite concerned that they kind of grounded the ship for
a while. A dirty each connector on the port runners

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amplify a PCB. Goodness, Yeah, Pickle, Marcus, welcome.

Speaker 7 (01:18:41):
About these piles. One simple thing comes to mind is
why not just take a box of new molts, take
one out and then put another one in and there's
really cleaning up to do. They could take it back
to the workshops, Pickle, Yes, what.

Speaker 2 (01:19:04):
Do you imagine the bulks do that? The bolts are
just there to hold the pilot into its concrete base, right, yes,
So why would you take them out because they're rusted?
Coroda to put new ones in show or to check
the metal that they're bolted through.

Speaker 7 (01:19:26):
Well, no, actually said it'd be interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
Wouldn't it, because you make it for a good point,
and as they're testing, because there must be stress on
the metal where the bolt goes through if it's blowing.
I don't know what would they rust or that been
That would be the only two things that would happen
to Piland, is it.

Speaker 7 (01:19:43):
Well, it's quite medic I mean there's those pylons, they
run from one even the contey with the other and
all right, maybe X the word for stramonic conditions atmospheric.
But the bottom line of it is, if you know
highest Preece situ. I saw that it's not rocket sized,

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take one out and put one back. And for the
costs of the bolts in relation to the pile on,
it wouldn't be hard just to put new ones and
then if they want to recycle them when they can.

Speaker 2 (01:20:15):
But there's probably two nuts on each one. Is there
there's a first nutting a locking nut. Would that be
how it works?

Speaker 7 (01:20:24):
No, look, I would have no idea. But I mean,
you know we've had them in our area since probably
fifty odd years that they all come up and bringing
the pail up from down south. And I don't know
how all day with those ones are. But seeing the
major problem with the obviously something someone's got the wires

(01:20:44):
cross and that can't be funny.

Speaker 2 (01:20:46):
You make a rigod put you just put them new,
you just put the new bolts on. Well, no, it's
probably there's probably a screw with a three that's in
the concrete base and then they pokes through the base plate.
You're putting nuts on the top of them, aren't you
imagine that's what you're doing. Were they nuts or were

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they bolts? We better find out more. I want to
get to the bottom of this now. Actually, I'm becoming
quite fixated. Everyone knows about what pylon maintenance is required.
I'll be curious to know why they sand blaze. And
I'm not saying, of course they need they need.

Speaker 25 (01:21:26):
Maintenance.

Speaker 2 (01:21:27):
You to do maintenance, but yeah, I'm just curious to
know how how it works the underside of the This
is just on Reddit like print based talk back. The
underside of the foot would have to be sand blasted, yeah,

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and then painted to stop corrosion. So if you're sand
if you're moving on the bolts, and how do you
get underneath? I don't know what the answer is. That
might be a check or something. Who knows what it's Marcus, Welcome, I've.

Speaker 12 (01:22:12):
Got a new Marcus. You're just calling about the pilon.
I sort of can confirmed some of what your news
reader was saying to you. WASH's largely right. We've got
a pylon on the top of our property, that big
property here, and so that one fell over. Out of interest,

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I went up and had a look at how this
one's configured. I don't know if they're the same across
the country. I'd been up north on on business and
came back from up north in the next morning. Is
and that pylon fell over. That what they have apparent
have is like studs coming out of the concrete base

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which has starts basically a thread without any kind of
head on it. And then yes, as you said, two
nuts on there, like a nut and a locknut. And
the I'm on different community pages because of where I
sort of holiday and have lived, et cetera. And the
community page from up that way she had a locals

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were talking about that being a sand blaster that had
been before it was sort of coming out in the papers.
They had a picture of a girl was saying it
was a sand blasters. They had took a picture of
a sand blasting machine sitting by the bottom of the
pylon and said that that was what the word was
going around. And the people had spoken to you know

(01:23:40):
that what had happened. And I would think that I'm
an engineer by trade, but I'm not involved with maintenance
on pylons, But I would think that anyone who they
would have been there just for you know, as it's
been suggested, corrosion prevention and painting in that I don't
think they would be doing any meaningful tests and inspections

(01:24:03):
on the actual you know, thread where there was any
eloin gates and your stress, because since anyone's stupid enough
to undo all the nuts, wouldn't be the person you'd
send up to do that kind of inspection. The placily
doing more sort of simple work. And I'm a sort
of a management system orditor in order to audit from

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corporate through to very practical sort of processes. And my
pack when I heard the first information for to come
through was that it would be a breakdown where you've
got contractors and subcontractors and you've got a new worker
come on, and it would you on my pack as
it would just be poor transfer of information and poor
checking that people are that there are proces in place

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and that people are following them, and you.

Speaker 2 (01:24:53):
Know, it's all, oh, I don't know, because this is
your this is your wheelhouse, right, but they reckon. When
a plane crashes, it's never one thing, it's three or
four things. With breakdown systems. Is that something you want
to talk to.

Speaker 12 (01:25:11):
That you're right and that that's my theory too. You know,
normally it's two or three or four.

Speaker 2 (01:25:17):
So there'll be some guy sick, there'll be someone else
called in, they've got the wrong memo, they haven't done
the health and safety briefing. So it's always a number
of things, isn't it.

Speaker 12 (01:25:28):
Yeah, generally speaking, yes, Yeah, And I just know, no
matter how silly is the person who is actually physically responsible,
I would hate to be in the shoes, and I
would have hate to have been in the moment things
started to go over.

Speaker 2 (01:25:42):
Well, of course you'd have trouble finding another job. They'd say,
well why did you leave your last job? You'd say, well,
well I just wasn't ready for me. It wasn't really
my scene. So the two the nut and the locking
nuts are over a plate. Now, the underside of that
plate wouldn't be sand blasted, would they, So it would

(01:26:02):
just be sand blasting the top to get the corrosion
off so they could still remove the nuts. Why would
you need to stand blast it?

Speaker 12 (01:26:11):
Well, I'm not sure, but when I know that I
have the various kinds of teams come through to check
the poland that we have on our property. And you
have guys who inspect the lines, and you guys that
inspect the you know, the insulators, and that you have
other guys through and check check the actual integrity of
that of the once at a blue moon, the actual

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what do you call them footings?

Speaker 6 (01:26:37):
Yep, And.

Speaker 12 (01:26:40):
Just just knowing a little about still working that is that, yes,
you'd you'd probably check it out for corrosional you'd have
a you'd have a specific area that you were told
to prepare to a certain a certain level. I've got
no idea whether there be a way of checking underneath,
but that would seem fraught because you know, check underneath
it actually have to list on it. But I guess

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if it maybe you could, you know, partially undo it
enough to some kind of a prep But I really don't.
I don't know. That would be pure speculation on my
own pretty well anyone's part, I think. But certainly anything
that's really exposed.

Speaker 2 (01:27:18):
To the weather, I just I just sort of have
a machine to check for corrosion the chick to do
with its conductivity or something. I suppose you don't want
it anyway how's your pilon looking O. One of the
bolts that all looked good.

Speaker 12 (01:27:31):
It's looking very nice. It was painted. It was painted
again not too long ago, and it sort of freaksy
out of it. You think these are all over the
country now, and that you know that you can put it,
put into it, put in minds of those with bad intent.

Speaker 23 (01:27:48):
You know.

Speaker 12 (01:27:48):
It's a pretty easy way to do a lot of.

Speaker 2 (01:27:50):
Damage, absolutely, because you just need to just need a
big spanner and you remove twelve bolts or sixteen bolts
or whatever.

Speaker 12 (01:28:00):
Well, that's that's there, right, Yeah. And I've been having
a look at it and thinking, okay, the combination of
when which way that them and lines are and everything?
Which way do I think it will fall if it goes?
And I think that comforting thought is that part of
you at the end of the house where my bedroom is,
or I go there, go the other way in them

(01:28:23):
and take out with the neighbors part of their car.
But then you've got to think about the power lines
or hanging off it too.

Speaker 2 (01:28:30):
It's in glory, isn't it. Is it where the pilots?

Speaker 12 (01:28:34):
I think I'd heard that name, but I don't know.
Is it?

Speaker 2 (01:28:37):
Can you see it from the road. I'd like to
go and have a look at it next time I'm up.
It's going to be the most famous Pilon, isn't it.

Speaker 12 (01:28:45):
I reckon you could both. We could give it a
new name, because it's what we've called our one, our
one for some years, the Eye Fall Tower. But you
spell to E y E L L hey may I
just for a moment touched on the cook straight furious.
I don't want to overstay the more welcome. I just
wanted to say I was very pleased at the I

(01:29:06):
think it's called the Friends of the Sounds or something.
They've been getting some airtime speaking about some of the
dangers involved with the fairies going into the sounds, and
you know, the poor maintenance and the narrowness and the
route they take. But for some time I've been concerned
because I've heard pilots in Summon Space and for the

(01:29:28):
pilots talking about how thought it was when they're thinking
of getting those really big super feries, and the current
ones are bad enough to maneuver it. The super feries, basically,
I consider that they are breaking that the people who
operate them are breaking the Health and Safety at Work
Act because there is no rescue plan. And you have

(01:29:50):
to anybody who any kind of business, any organization, they've
got any kind of gain, has to has to consider
whatever hazards potential hazards. There are got controls in place
as far as is reasonably practicable. I don't believe they've

(01:30:12):
done this because there is no if once the fairy
gets out, if the weather is a bit rough and
they get out into deep enough waters, unless they happen
to be lucky enough to have a heavy ocean going
tug within close enough ours steaming, then there's no rescue plan.

(01:30:32):
And so I consider that they're breaking the law and
that we must have some kind of a PERFF system
on any operators so that they we can have at
least two of those tags around so when one is
being maintained, the other one is available.

Speaker 2 (01:30:51):
So when you were talking about the superferries, but you
think even the way KiwiRail is now that there's no
safe because they've got none of those tugs. There's no
they're operating without a current health and safety planet. They're
operating a league you reckon.

Speaker 12 (01:31:07):
I believe so. And they are the one that in
the last year or so that went that lost power.

Speaker 2 (01:31:16):
Yes, and there's no tug the Kadiaky I think it was, Yes.

Speaker 12 (01:31:20):
It was, and they it just happened to be a
heavy tug operating in the region at the time. So
if you didn't happen to have that there, then you're stuffed.
So really we need to have tugs in the area,
which maybe could be used for other work. But they
have said that there's always one operating within so many

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hours that area because otherwise there's just no rescue plan
and I'm all enough, Yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (01:31:47):
The Bluebridge series would be vulnerable there as well, would they?

Speaker 12 (01:31:51):
Oh that I don't know. I haven't I haven't thought
it through that far. And I'm not a maritime expert,
but I've just listened to people who know what they're
talking about and then applied what I know of the law.
And I think it's a you know, it's a it's
a really serious concern. I'm old enough to remember the
Wahina disaster, and I've also been on a great Barrier

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island fury and of sixty seven meters swells when cut
out and at that point after you know, nine of
us were throwing up in the in the on the
boat and at that point I realized that I couldn't
save myself, let alone saved my family. It was a

(01:32:34):
terrible feeling. But then the engines cut back into we
were drifting around broadside to the swells and was.

Speaker 2 (01:32:39):
It was it the fullest cat or was it the
jet raider?

Speaker 12 (01:32:43):
It was one of the ones that just looks like
a standard ship. And it wasn't a cat with because
of all the cabins at the back.

Speaker 6 (01:32:51):
It was a car.

Speaker 12 (01:32:52):
It was a carfur I can understand.

Speaker 6 (01:32:54):
Yep.

Speaker 12 (01:32:55):
Yeah, and not a nice feeling, and you know, way
off the end of Corimandel and thinking we've had it,
but the yeah, so you look at you, remembering the
way and that, and I just think that's crazy andess
and all we're doing is we're just hoping for the
best because no one wants to face up to it
and spend the money.

Speaker 2 (01:33:16):
Nice to hear from you on ere Rodert's Marcus welcome, I.

Speaker 4 (01:33:20):
Mean, Marcus, I used to work free C and Z
back in the day.

Speaker 19 (01:33:24):
Oh great, I looked up.

Speaker 4 (01:33:25):
I used to be richal engineer, and I looked at
where their towers and actually researched it this afternoon. And
the reason that's owl over listen. It's on a corner.

Speaker 2 (01:33:36):
Ah, so there's cables, there's cables going. That's where the
line of the cables changes direction. Is that what you're saying?

Speaker 4 (01:33:44):
Correct? As soon as they changed, as soon as they
unbolted it. Of course, the weight of it, the one
that left bolted up was on the downside or the
weak side. The ones that were holding it from tipp
and over, they undid them all. And of course the
weight of those power lines just they're pretty heavy.

Speaker 20 (01:34:03):
Over.

Speaker 2 (01:34:04):
I had time off work for other reasons?

Speaker 12 (01:34:06):
Was it?

Speaker 2 (01:34:07):
Were they? They weren't working on it when it tipped?
There was a time leg?

Speaker 13 (01:34:11):
Was it?

Speaker 2 (01:34:11):
They removed the bolts? It tipped over subsequently?

Speaker 4 (01:34:13):
Right, well, by removing the bolts, the weight of the
power lines would have just pulled it over because it's
on a on a slight slight bend.

Speaker 2 (01:34:21):
Yes, but didn't happen. Straight, it didn't happen that the
workers weren't there, Were they? Or has it ever got
that wrong?

Speaker 4 (01:34:27):
The works were they? They understand that sounds are very
tall and the towns are made out of them steel,
but they're galvanized so they last a long time. So
they're just cleaning up. But taking all you know, there's
a eight eight eight bolts that come out of the

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each spot and I'm doing all three of them. It's
just it's just madness because again it's just pulled it over.
There's I think we're holding it back. So the weight
of that just made it.

Speaker 2 (01:35:01):
And what you do as you sand blasts them and
give another coat of pain to stop them rusting. I
assume that's what they're doing.

Speaker 4 (01:35:07):
Yeah, just pop it up with cavenized paint and put
it back. But to do them all the same as
they they took the wrong or just too many things,
should only do one foot at a time. And it
was the inside corner one that they didn't do. Of
course that's the one that was all bent as well,
because that's what a tip.

Speaker 2 (01:35:27):
On how will they do that? How ful will they
do that? Is it like a ten yearly thing or howful?

Speaker 19 (01:35:31):
In the bear up?

Speaker 4 (01:35:33):
I used to run around Tesla in the day and
we'd do all the sorts of different things.

Speaker 6 (01:35:39):
For them.

Speaker 4 (01:35:39):
But those ones last quite a long time. But again
just being on the cornering, it's the cornering of where
that tower was and the weight of those power lines
just pulled it over.

Speaker 2 (01:35:54):
Of course they would, are they forty.

Speaker 4 (01:36:01):
Oh at least yeah, they're.

Speaker 2 (01:36:03):
In a straight line, nothing would happen. It would wobble for.

Speaker 4 (01:36:05):
A bit, well on a straight line the wait season.
But again because it was right on the corner, it's
just pulled it in.

Speaker 2 (01:36:14):
Makes perfect sense. I appreciate that.

Speaker 19 (01:36:16):
Rod.

Speaker 2 (01:36:16):
Thank you, Mike, it's Marcus. Good evening, welcome, Hello, Hi Mike,
you good, thank you, good good.

Speaker 26 (01:36:26):
I think you find it's probably a water blast and
not so much as a sand blasts. So there's a
lot of like them and that sal of stuff on
on on those pylons, and they get cleaned quite regularly
by companies. One of the owners of one of another
different companies were used to own one the sand blasts
and regular last water blasts, sorry regularly. There's see if

(01:36:47):
any liking rints and stuff that's on, that's build enough
on the galv and ied steel obviously, because you think,
you think and your galvanize with galvin, I think will
actually corrode as well.

Speaker 2 (01:37:01):
So you on all your likings, you want all your
lichens and stuff off because that will accelerate the corrosion, right, correct.

Speaker 26 (01:37:08):
That's quite a common process that they go through and
they clean them off. Obviously, if he's liking around the nuts,
I would actually remember the nuts, but.

Speaker 6 (01:37:18):
You only do one of the time.

Speaker 2 (01:37:20):
Yeah, clearly, Thanks Mike, appreciate it. Met it to Marcus
good evening.

Speaker 8 (01:37:27):
I used to work for the crew a couple of years,
and what they do is they've got a bass plate crew.
There's a crew for everything. There's only usually a two
man team. And I've got to lift up the plates
on the bottom of the tat just to check to
concrete damage and damage on the bass plates. And they've

(01:37:49):
got a procedure. Everything's got to be three when you
before you start working on them. You just don't get
a crescent sort of way down. So for them to
do something like that, they would have stuffed it right up, obviously,
but they would they would have had a procedure to
do a strain of power. That's one of those it's

(01:38:12):
on a corner. But yeah, there was a solid mistake
and those boys won't have a job.

Speaker 2 (01:38:20):
Hey, Matt, are you saying that you've got to check
underneath the plate and you've got to tip the tower
over a little bit. Is that what you're saying, Well.

Speaker 8 (01:38:27):
They've probably got to keep it. So I'll say they
just lessen the bolts up to the top. I'll never
work with that crew because it's only a time.

Speaker 2 (01:38:36):
And then and then when it then they weren't lean over.
Then what could you get under there with something?

Speaker 8 (01:38:41):
Well, I've better visualize it. You don't need much to
look under them because obviously you know they've got concrete
gun into the ground. But making them spit the concrete
under the base plate, there's the base plates what it
kept off volunto the concrete and if it needs work,
they'll don't work it. So and that probably happens every
I'm guessing probably ten years or more. But taking them

(01:39:05):
ride office heard of bolts. So even if it was
on a straight row, I'd say they'd have a procedure
where they have to follow. And they might have had
a new dude on the crew, and the other fella
could have been having a cigarette. You wouldn't know what
happens out there.

Speaker 2 (01:39:24):
So you're gonna have to you have to take you
have to loosen all the screws to tell tilt it
up a bit. Wouldn't you to have a look under there?

Speaker 8 (01:39:32):
What Fellows said a few calls before it's on a
thread bar into the concrete anchored let's they would all
fall over. The thread bar sticks out quite a bit
so they can look. Yeah, you can take the second
two bolts, you can take, leave one on. Bring it
up so it's got a few threads left, and then

(01:39:53):
they'll have a jack if they have to jack it up.
Expect it needs work. They'll work it and I looks good.

Speaker 10 (01:40:00):
Where they go.

Speaker 2 (01:40:01):
Excellent explanation, Matt, excellent explain good job.

Speaker 8 (01:40:06):
Oh, I wouldn't like to do. It's pretty boring.

Speaker 2 (01:40:08):
Yeah, not for that, not boring for them. They live
ended up.

Speaker 8 (01:40:13):
They took all the butt, but no one used to
theirs from that. But I've got a cruise for everything
and a bed and the safety is through. You know,
you've got to pages and pages of safety before you
had an attempt to work on them. So it was

(01:40:35):
a clear bub. So yeah, that's that's why. That's why
you probably only had one. And I think that's probably
the only one I've ever heard of top.

Speaker 2 (01:40:44):
Over, but I've never I've never heard of it yet.
Nice to hear from it. I think I've heard people.
I think i've heard people get in trouble for mixing.
Was there someone on a farm down in the South
Island that was messing with the pylons. They put them
in the big house. I think that happened. I don
think i've mentioned that. Why would I imagine that. I'm
pretty sure that.

Speaker 19 (01:41:01):
Was a thing.

Speaker 2 (01:41:02):
Excellent explanation, but I feel that I've actually understand that
quite clearly now. But the thread coming, we know it
all now. I might draw it. I'm visualizing with the
double nuts and the thread coming up. Get in touch.

(01:41:24):
My name is Marcus Hill twelve. Anything else all up
for it. It's not the infrastructure show. You wonder how
old Scotty Barrett's going to go with the old red cards.

Speaker 12 (01:41:40):
Eh.

Speaker 2 (01:41:43):
Marcus was just thinking lucky with only one pylon falling
over and not a domino effect in half a dozen falling.
Very good point, idiots, Marcus. Good evening, Good day, Marcus.

Speaker 20 (01:41:55):
How are you. I've helped build handles of them. The
first start the base of the con The vaults that
go down are are a big cage. They go down
about eight feet of a concrete and then on the bottom,

(01:42:16):
on top of that you put a foot and the
foot's about three feet high. Depending on which tower it is,
either strained tower or an all tower, so you can
actually take that foot off and have a look underneath it.

(01:42:38):
So now when you put these feet on, originally they
put on by the odor light and usually use a
surveyer to do it because they've got the mathematics and
those are put level and square so that the tower northwest,
east or south is standing vertically. So there's a lot

(01:43:01):
of work goes into building them.

Speaker 2 (01:43:04):
Okay, so did you say the feet they will come off?
Does they? Can you explain that?

Speaker 20 (01:43:08):
But again, now when the feet will come off the
bottom of the tower that bolted on, it's about there's
a bolted two sides and they've got about ten eight
to ten bolts on each side, the under and the
unders of four big bolts, four big nuts on the bottom,

(01:43:30):
and you can actually lift it off.

Speaker 12 (01:43:33):
Okay, So.

Speaker 20 (01:43:37):
Our strained tear is either it's used for tensioning the
wires or on a corner a lot heavier tar, the
steals heavier.

Speaker 2 (01:43:53):
It's just like a strainer on a farm. Yeah, okay,
makes sense.

Speaker 20 (01:43:56):
Yeah, that's called strain towers or tensioning towers, depend on
which one it is.

Speaker 2 (01:44:04):
How far down to those concrete blocks, did you.

Speaker 20 (01:44:06):
Say, oh, I was standing in the bottom and I
couldn't reach the top.

Speaker 15 (01:44:14):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:44:14):
Well, and on the big.

Speaker 20 (01:44:18):
Strained towers we put in, the concrete was six eight
feet square. Well okay, and all reinforced concrete. Stealing them.

Speaker 2 (01:44:33):
And now the bolts that come out with the three
that they are, they got more infrastructure down below, or
they just rode down.

Speaker 20 (01:44:41):
In cages a cage of four and they've got plates.
You actually suppend them and pour them in physician for
the whole cages. The four bolts don't alter. They made
that way.

Speaker 2 (01:44:57):
That makes sense, Okay. So it's not just concrete. There's
a lot of scout and work inside there.

Speaker 24 (01:45:02):
Okay, yeah, how long?

Speaker 6 (01:45:05):
That's how long?

Speaker 2 (01:45:07):
And then and then do you assemble them on place
like Meccano Yep, yep.

Speaker 20 (01:45:14):
You got the crew about six and they the spiders
and everything. You build them on the ground and then
you hoist them up. We used to do up to
the first arm and because we use a crane and
up to the first arm, and then you put a
gin pole in and the crew that come along and

(01:45:34):
use the gin pole put the arms on in the top.

Speaker 2 (01:45:38):
Okay.

Speaker 20 (01:45:41):
But it's all just like a just like a mccanoe said.
It's all laid out, all numbered, and it's heavy galvanized.
I don't know why they just don't put some reskiller
on and just paint it. Is the government galvanized paint?

Speaker 2 (01:45:58):
Well, they might be, they might be reappraising enough. They
can't get the right workforce, so I don't know what
what's going on. Thanks Eddy, nice to talk. Good evening.
Gregor's Marcus welcome.

Speaker 5 (01:46:10):
Hi.

Speaker 27 (01:46:11):
I just remember my fun store journeys down to Littleton
from Wellington. It was really it was my first ever
proper seagoing adventure, or be it one island to the other.
I never found out why they discontinued it. I thought
it was a good service.

Speaker 2 (01:46:33):
It wasn't a car ferry.

Speaker 27 (01:46:38):
I did it not take the trains?

Speaker 2 (01:46:40):
No, No, it was just I don't think so it
wasn't it. Well, I think I don't know that because
once the road went all the way, some of them
will know.

Speaker 11 (01:46:55):
But I did enjoy that.

Speaker 2 (01:46:58):
He was a roll and roll off here. I just
think because I got the road, I don't Yeah, someone
might know.

Speaker 25 (01:47:05):
You have the little bit of memorabilia was that Putin
got caught in the channel there when one of the
pilots ran their boat on the rocks. This is going
back thirty years or something.

Speaker 27 (01:47:25):
This is when Putin was part of one of the spies,
part of the KGB.

Speaker 2 (01:47:34):
I don't think that's true. I think that was I
think that was an urban.

Speaker 4 (01:47:40):
Myth because there's footage of the ship actually.

Speaker 5 (01:47:45):
On the rocks.

Speaker 2 (01:47:46):
He said about the Betal Luminov that's it.

Speaker 4 (01:47:50):
Yeah, so that's not true.

Speaker 25 (01:47:53):
He wasn't actually on board as a KGB guy.

Speaker 2 (01:47:58):
I think there was a guy that looked like Putin.

Speaker 17 (01:48:03):
Okay, yeah, I haven't explain ordered to see if it's true.
I guess the only way would be to find out
what the ship's log were, or going through customs if
they stopped off in New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (01:48:20):
Yeah, so that again, what did you just say, Greg.

Speaker 27 (01:48:29):
Heck, I don't even know what they just said.

Speaker 2 (01:48:39):
This classic talkback, Joseph. It's Marcus, Welcome.

Speaker 28 (01:48:43):
Evening, Marcus Pylons. But before that, just the question, do
we not have coastal freighters that can take containers?

Speaker 19 (01:48:52):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:48:53):
It seems well. I think the government, I think the
government's interests. Isn't there always funding from the road transport
lobby don't they dictate national's policy when it comes to
transport or have an influence there. They never been bread shipping.

Speaker 28 (01:49:10):
Have they, Yeah, because it would make sense to have
a container ship going between, you know, across the cook
straight that would solve the prob about having put the
trains on.

Speaker 6 (01:49:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 28 (01:49:21):
But anyway, the pylons, I remember hearing the news only tonight.
It was I think it was the CEO from the
from the company was doing the maintenance saying he didn't
employ incompetent people. But I would say with the evidence
is that he does employ incompetent people because here and
they really corner that it was a corner pylon. Anybody
of common sense would see if you take the outside

(01:49:43):
bolts and the bolts on the outside, it's going to
fall over. So yeah, yeah, incompetent people.

Speaker 2 (01:49:50):
M Okay, I don't even know. Probably I don't even
know what to say about that, because I mean, I
guess they were good at their job, they just didn't
do their job properly.

Speaker 28 (01:50:03):
I don't know, a corner pylon you don't take the
outside of You could see by the weight of the
lines pulling it to the inside of the corner that
if you take the bolts off on the outside, it's
going to pull the thing and either you don't need
much common sense to work that out.

Speaker 2 (01:50:20):
Not only of the fairies, unsafe for the road from
Picton south, especially between christ Gi Jesh burs a nightmare
roll on coastal shipping. Mary Marcus, I'm becoming rather confused
with transformers. Oh yeah, Marcus. I live in Papakuda and
have noticed the power part on its side just before
the Jury off ramp northbound lane. I first noticed in
about two weeks ago. Cheers, Shane.

Speaker 6 (01:50:42):
Marks.

Speaker 2 (01:50:42):
She made me laugh hearing you say Bendurini last one
of those fluent he's in about nineteen ninety nine. But yes,
fog and issue with a smaller turbo props. Larger passagets
have higher equipment levels for higher accuracy landings and fog etc.
But also require the airports to have the highest spect
ground equipment to match the aircraft equipment. Not all countries

(01:51:03):
airports do so as costs the authorities money and also
requires the pilot crew to be still to be qualified
to operate the high level equipment. Basically, a number of
fact is required to land and fog and romans arrived
at where he's very foggy out there. Steve. It's Marcus.

Speaker 19 (01:51:22):
Good evening, good evening, Marcus.

Speaker 20 (01:51:25):
Hey, this evening.

Speaker 5 (01:51:26):
Good.

Speaker 2 (01:51:26):
Thank you, Steve.

Speaker 19 (01:51:27):
I haven't been listening to too long this evening, but
I did just hear you read out a text message
from somebody called Shane who said that he'd seen a
pylon down at Papacuro in Auckland.

Speaker 2 (01:51:37):
Makes me more than one pilon.

Speaker 19 (01:51:38):
They're actually removing an entire section of pylons if you're traveling.
I've been watching it with an interest every day when
I travel down that stretch of motorway. They're basically from
Bombay all the way through as far as the eye
can see. It actually crosses over the motorway at two
instances as well, and they're actually removing all the lines
and all the pylons. And I think it's got something

(01:51:59):
to do with the fact that a couple of years
ago they built a new substation at what is going
to be Drewy South and I don't know how they
actually get those ones down, but they have been taken
down piece by piece by piece, and every now and
again there's another one down in a paddock and they've
got it all fenced off. Looks like they've got all
their health and safety all up to speed, because, yeah,
they certainly have done a lot of work in regard

(01:52:19):
to making sure that it's obvious that the work's going
on there.

Speaker 2 (01:52:23):
What do you want to do with the old pylons.

Speaker 19 (01:52:26):
It's quite interesting to watch them come down. It's like
a daily sort of thing. What's happened?

Speaker 20 (01:52:30):
Though.

Speaker 19 (01:52:31):
I do notice that the ones that are left are
the ones that hold the stretch of cable that goes
over the motorway. All the others seem to have gone now,
and I don't know. I guess at some point in
the middle of the night they might shut the motorway
down and take the wires over the top of the
motorway down. I'm really not sure how it occurs, but
it certainly is interesting to watch it, piece by piece
by piece being removed.

Speaker 2 (01:52:51):
And they lower them down. Do they want now they
do that.

Speaker 19 (01:52:55):
They've had a crane on site on a couple of
them I have seen, so I think from what I
can gather, they must remove any ancillary structure around it,
and then when they've just got the base frame there,
they basically control it's falling down into a paddock.

Speaker 2 (01:53:08):
Has it been any publicity about it?

Speaker 19 (01:53:11):
I haven't seen anything. One of the reasons I thought
to mention that someone might know more than me. As
you as you can see them going down, you can
the pylons. Have you sort of look up and into
the distance. The range of pylons and the lines attached
to them go as far as the eye can see.
I imagine they may go right through the Otata Who
substation and maybe they've recommissioned it to the new substation

(01:53:34):
that they've built a ramarama there at the Vaca Jury South,
which is very built up these days and going to
be more so in the future. But yeah, there's there's
an update of infrastructure potentially certainly the oldest coming down
and the new has already been built, so out of
interest more than anything. But yeah, thanks for that. Appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:53:53):
Appreciate it to Steve, Thanks for much. A Princess and
is in the hospital. Princes Anna is a hospital after
suffering minor injuries and concussion. The Princess roythus stained minor
injuries and concussion fine instant on the Getcom Park estate.

(01:54:15):
She's there for observation. Expect to make a full and
swift recovery. I don't know if she's fall off a horseck.
I don't even know what getkam state estats. It's just
breaking news there. That's that Calvin. It's Marcus.

Speaker 14 (01:54:32):
Good evening, Good evening, Marcus. I think I might have
said a long time ago to you nine sixty three,
nine sixty four. For a couple of years I worked
for the NZDD and using at Electrissity Department online construction
on those pilones. This is in the South Island and
when I first start, it was north of Hammas Springs
on the moles Verth station and we used to go

(01:54:53):
down about six meters in the ground for the four
different legs, and we used to put in what they
call the scubs, which was a four different feet orbits
and pieces bolded together Italy. The seals from Italy galvanized
the bolts and nuts. Each bolt had a nut on
it out of a wooden box with grease on the thread,

(01:55:14):
and yet you speners to undo it. That's their coal
of use. Reading was frozen up anyway. So we got
down six meters in the ground put on the four
different legs or but some pieces of boled together and
it would stick out of the ground to be out
a foot, so you got four pieces sticking out of
the ground. That was all back filled by what we
dug out. No concrete, no helicopters, nothing like that. It

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was all back filled. And then we built what they
called the first section, which went up high about six
six meters, and that's all we did. Then we moved
on the next tower. Each tower is approximately a quarter
of a mile apart in round figures. Then we moved
down to Amberley, which is near We moved to Leaffield

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near Amberley, which is about thirty miles north of christ Street.
The same thing in North Canterbury. Go down six meters
in the ground. I have the pump going sucking out
the water because underground streams where you're standing there six
meters down. And also the old shellfish there the remnants
of shell fish because Canterbury, New Zealand has been up

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and down about three times out of the sea. So
we used to go up the six meters about twenty
feet high, and the corners were all laced. One leg
has got bolts sticking out about a foot and that's
what they used to climb up right up eventually, and
so you've got the four corners laced together going central

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between the four upright legs. They're on an angle, and
that what they call the tower. Gangs used to come
along and they carried on building the pieces, assembling it,
and no helicopters, no concrete, nothing, no cranes. And they
had a long contraption. It was about a foot by

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a foot probably Chris Cross bracing and about twenty or
thirty feet long. And they slung that in the middle
between the four bottom legs there and ordinary rope about
a bit thicker than your thumb, coming in the four
different directions. And they used to winch up each corner
and bolted on. And then when that was done and

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laced on the internal part of it, they then lifted
up that middle part again up to the next part.
And they carried on like that. But the incredible to watch.
But it's just like a Meccano said, all the pieces
I finish up. Truck driving for them. I used to
go in every day to Isn'ton. Used to go past
Herewood Airport where the Americans had the aeroplanes with the

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big orangey colored tails on when they flew down the
deep freeze or it was called. But quite interesting. I
used to carry, used to carry two of those, but
it was all loose pieces on the truck and concrete
colvert pipes. I used to carry, Jelic knite, wooden boxes
of Jaelic knite, all that sort of stuff. Quite interesting really,

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and my expertise. I'd done four years working in an office,
left Hamilton, went down and watch a week with a
couple of mates and went fruit picking, and then I
went down to christ Church and started bolting those things together.
That's so, how's that sound? And when when we went
across cook Scrape, I went with two mates so were

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from Raglan and one of them had the car. When
we got down to Wellington, the ship, the boat or
whatever you want to call it, it had the cars
were slung on with rope four four rope slings, one
to each wheel on the car and it was lifted
up and craned over and put down on the deck.
That's how it was all done. Then, no mucking your inn.

Speaker 2 (01:58:57):
You'd be surprised to see the pylon falling down, then,
won't you.

Speaker 14 (01:59:01):
Yeah, Well, I was looking at the photo in the
paper and each one they are flat on the bottom.
But the ones we were doing that, they didn't. It
was a different system. But all through North Canterbury and
the malls, malls were stationed, biggest farm in New Zealand,
Government Farm. They were all just back filled. We just
back filled and stuff. What we dug out there was backfield.

Speaker 2 (01:59:23):
What do you mean by what do you mean by that? Ken,
What do you mean was backfield?

Speaker 14 (01:59:27):
Well, the holes the holes were abouit or the hole
going down the ground was about six meters deep, which
we dug out.

Speaker 2 (01:59:39):
It not filled out with concrete. Oh, I was just
the top of concrete.

Speaker 14 (01:59:43):
No, I said to you twice there, this is the
third time. No concrete, So forget about concrete. And the
size of the hole was about or beout twice the
size of a time.

Speaker 2 (01:59:57):
Asked me about contract because the other guys all said
they fill filled out with concrete.

Speaker 14 (02:00:01):
The other p yeah, yeah, that's right. Or the chap
you're talking to you now says no concrete. So it
was different. Line you say. I was working in the
South Island one which brought the electricity up from the
South Island to the North Island, so I would imagine
that he was doing whatever when he said one hundred.
The ones oswork and are approximately a quarter of a
mile apart, so to get to one hundred you would

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have gone quite a few a few miles or kilometers,
but that's awesn't And the wires going along, they used
to have specially little trolleys. They and the men would
be in a little trolley going along those wires up
in the here by one hundred and fifty feet up
in the here whatever to put on the old whatever

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they are connect the connectors at the top of the
tear for the wires.

Speaker 2 (02:00:46):
And all that is breaking news about Princess Anne Prince
then as a hospital with minor injuries and concussion bucking
and powers is announced. The Prince's Royal is believed to
have been injured by a horse while walking within the
get Come Park estate yesterday evening, leaving here with a
minor wound to the head. So with minor wounds to
the head tell us that the head injuries are consistent

(02:01:09):
with a potential impact were a horse's head or legs.
She was treated on the scene by an ambulance an
Emban street her on the scene before she was transferred
to South becaust One and Bristol for appropriate test, treatment
and observation. Chris, it's Marcus. Welcome.

Speaker 25 (02:01:28):
Hi Marcus.

Speaker 29 (02:01:29):
I haven't listened all night, but I picked up on
the Fairies a bit earlier on and just wanted to
recall a couple of memories from the cook Straight Firies. Firstly,
the There's a chap said that they came into the
late sixties and seventies. I remember when the Other Milana
arrived in Remington Harbor for the very first time, and
I mean there were crowds on the you know, on

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the wharf and we were on a hill in Candala
watching it, you know, and it was a big thing
because roll on roll off was you know, a whole
new concept. And that would have been sixty one or
sixty two something around that sort of time.

Speaker 2 (02:02:02):
Yeah, first one came across.

Speaker 29 (02:02:05):
Yeah, Yeah, and it was a big thing because before that,
there was a little ship called the Tamahini, you know,
which translates to a young woman or young lady. Yeah,
And I remember I went to picked it on that
when I was about four or five. So that was
very much like a nineteen thirties, nineteen forties type conventional boat.

(02:02:26):
So the Ala Milana was. Yeah, the roll on roll
off concept was was huge. It was a quantum leap,
you know, from what we had prior to that.

Speaker 2 (02:02:36):
But I think i've seen an element of the Tamahini.
How big was that?

Speaker 26 (02:02:41):
Oh?

Speaker 29 (02:02:41):
Nothing compared to the Air Mayana, you know it was,
but she probably applied that course for twenty twenty five years. Yeah,
passenger ship.

Speaker 2 (02:02:52):
You don think I've ever seen an image of the Tamahini.
Was it purpose built for that?

Speaker 28 (02:02:57):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (02:02:57):
Look, I couldn't tell you.

Speaker 29 (02:02:58):
I was very much in my infancy and those days
you wouldn't know, would you. No, But I do remember
going to picked it on on on the tunnel honey here,
And for that matter, I went to christ you for
Littleton on the Maldi as well. After the way he
he sunk, they brought the Maldi back. She's been retired
and that was a twelve hour trip out of Wellington

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down to Littleton.

Speaker 2 (02:03:22):
Okay, i'll leave with there, Chris. I've got to go,
but thank you so much for that romance. Along next
and I will catch you all tomorrow short week, yay,
And if you email me if you want to. Oh,
eight hundred and eighty Marcus atnewstalkzb dot co dot is it.
If you need to email me, don't text me now
because I'm on my way, but you email me if
you can. I'll get those tomorrow night and romans along next.

(02:03:44):
So enjoy your Tuesday. It is just moments away. Good night.

Speaker 1 (02:03:50):
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