Mad people doing mad things (7 October 2024)

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
Greeting is good evening. It's Monday, the first Monday in October.
My name is Marcus head on Midnight. I hope it's
good where you are in your neck of the woods.
If it's not, I hope it's better by the time
I go off the air. I've got a lot to
say in a long time to say out. Wow. So yeah,
if you've got breaking news, bring that to us. If
I've got breaking news, I'll bring that to you. We'll
both do what we can to talk to each other

(00:33):
about what's and I've got a lot to talk about.
Why I've got so much I don't know. Enjoyed watching
the baseball today. Playoffs have started, the Dodgers versus the Padres.
But yeah, wow, that was a good game. I was
watching Otani because he's in his first playoff season. Greatest

(00:54):
baseball of our time, So that's been great. But what
was amazing is the one of the guys from the
center Padres. It's hard to explain, but one of the
Los Angeles Dodgers hit the ball that it looked to
all purposes to be a home run and the guy

(01:14):
kind of reached his glove the pads guy reached his
glove over the into the audience and then looked like
he hadn't caught it. So the successful bats a batter
was running around kind of whiping with the light as
though he'd hit a home run, and then the guy
revealed that he had caught the ball. It was an
extraordinary thing to see, so that was quite a lot

(01:36):
of fun. Then the Los Angeles fans started throwing rubbish
and bins at him, stopped the match for ten minutes. Anyway,
that's been a big weekend of sport. And boy, I'll
tell you something. And I don't know what people want
to say about this, but I know people don't want
to have a war between league or rugby union or
what's better or anything like that. And I know that

(01:58):
in the Australian nral the Warriors are involved with that
and that complicates things. But boy, oh boy, boy oh boy,
do the Aussies do that Grand Final? Well, they had
the women's final, then the men's final, all of it
for about five hours. I just was astonished at just

(02:19):
how classy the whole thing was. I know that, you know,
the Aussi's a bit of a rough and ready country
and they struggle with some things, but they try and
get better and they try and be inclusive, and you know,
they succeed. They're not stuck in their old ways. They're
not conservative and scared of change. And I'm sure a

(02:42):
lot of them get lead, gets led by the players.
But the whole for me, the whole coverage of that,
even at the end with the penwith players, you know,
four in a row, they've won four Pemiory ships and
they go into the dressing rooms. Fittler's in there. I
don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing,
but anyway, there's everyone in the dressing room, there's the cameras,
there's the players, or the players are there with their kids,

(03:04):
having a few beers and stuff like that just looks
like something you want to be involved with. And the
players look like real players. They look like real people
with kids and partners and all of that, and all
that is included and embraced, and it just makes it
so refreshing to see. I came away from that thinging wow,

(03:25):
because we don't see that stuff in rugby union. It
always is a bit clunky and but by the way,
the club competitions or the national competition and rugby's being
kind of you know, it's all about the tests now,
isn't even though France is sending down a deep powered side.
So we've kind of sacrificed everything for our great international game.
But you look, you think world why every four years

(03:47):
we get a World Cup and that depends on a
refereeing decision. The rest of the time, people see umpowered
teams down. I don't know what you thought of it
last night, but I just think they do it well.
They've got great characters involved in the coverage of the game.
It's all so good and you can see why it's
growing like topsy. It's just a pleasure to watch. You

(04:09):
couldn't help but watch Ivan Clary and you know, and
Nathan Clary and their families and all that, and at
the end everything wow, and goodness, gracious my Louis. You know,
the Mount Dreuit boys, Louie is off to the Tigers
next to all those. But you know, just the stories
behind it, and you get part of the stories because
the whole coverage of the sport around that is so good.

(04:30):
You've got the Footy Show and the players go on
there and they talk about what they're up to and
they're not afraid to show what kind of characters they are.

Speaker 3 (04:37):
I just.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
I mean, it's lucky we've got it and we can
watch it and get enthusiastic about them. We've got a
game that runs for so long. But I just couldn't
believe how good it was. God great, good, great close match,
great coverage beforehand, great build up, great match, great coverage afterwards,
but the whole inclusive thing. To have the women's final,
then the men's final, the kids, the children, the partners,

(05:01):
all of it. It just seems to be they just
seem to do it well. And I know some people
don't like rugby league and they think that rugby union's
a better game. And it's okay. I can concede that.
You know, each to your own and some of you
will think that, but you can't deny the fact that

(05:24):
the NRL is trying to grow the game and make
it inclusive and they're listening to what people want and
they're providing it. Just I just thought the coverage was sensational. Yes,
some of the some of it can be a bit
old pay or mail stale some of the sort of
the reporters for the panel of people afterwards, but they're
trying and boy, oh boy, it was something. Anyway, it's

(05:47):
me ran over. You might have a view on that
because I think if we don't actually do something with
rugby to make the experience of the coverage of it
slightly better, and you compare that to the final of
what do you compare that for the final of Super Rugby?
Of course it's a very long competition, the NRAL longest
acomplishing of the resident. It feels like it goes about

(06:08):
eight months of the year. But anyway, you might want
to comment that. I just thought it was extraordinary, So
I loved watching that last night. Anyway, eight hundred and
eighty to eighty nineteen ninety six, by the way here
and forty six days until the nr I kicked off
twenty twenty five in Las Vegas, which I've got no
interest in going to sound terrible to me Las Vegas,
but there'll be plenty there. Steve Marcus, welcome.

Speaker 4 (06:32):
Hey Marcas. Just follow last week's review after the Affertal
Grand Final, and you've done a great review of it
of the NRL grep. Well, it was a classic man
low scoring, didn't it. It wasn't it. It wasn't again,
it was just the attitude, just the spectacle. It was
a I could check my eyes.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
Off it and they got it right with the you know,
with the bunker they only go there briefly and not
that often. That was done quickly and maybe long.

Speaker 4 (07:03):
Yeah, all of it exactly exactly. But let that's say
to the intensity of it all. But it was just
you could take answer of it. The Aussie rules the game,
but we were always one sided. It's cricket score this
game fourteen section, you know, wow, And it was just
it didn't stop. A couldn't stop.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
It was compelling. And they looked at how much time
the ball was in play in the game. It was
just about all of it. I think they put up
like been thirty five minutes down, thirty eight the ball
was in play.

Speaker 3 (07:33):
It was just go, go, go true professors.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
Yeah, yeah, I just thought it was yeah, I'm hearing it.
I just thought it was fantastic.

Speaker 4 (07:41):
I thought the whole spectacle Sydney is just I'm I
didn't say last week worked the mocker, right, brother pedrith
Man from way back and go before the trot was
a big call. But boy do I feel proud of
last night?

Speaker 2 (07:57):
Me too, Me too, Steve. I just thought it was
fantastic and and because of the characters. But I've always
loved Leam Martin and for him to get the Player
of the match whatever that's called. He's not a big
good at either. He's only five to eleven, but toughest
teak great anyway, Oh, eight hundred and eighty to eighty
nine to nine to detext We don't get that excitement

(08:18):
like that, Craig Marcus welcome.

Speaker 5 (08:23):
Yeah, I watched the two fascinating. I couldn't stop watching it.
It's really entertaining from start to finish. And one of
the reasons why I actually like watching it more than
rugby mainly is because I can understand the rules. The
rules are fairly easy understand, whereas some of the rules
in rugby can be a little bit confusing when you're
sitting there watching game. Really and they they've tried to

(08:44):
tweaking the rules a few times, but I can't remember
when was the last time they changed the rules in
leg it haven't they No think they've changed it for decades.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
It's a really good point. You mate, because with every
referees decision you're always i mean, you're always pretty clear.
Wider is it's not complicated.

Speaker 5 (09:00):
Yeah, it's just seems to be fairly easy. And I
think I got told from a friend, one of the
little lozo in Australia that he had a lot of
people get behind it because rugby league has always been
known as the common man sport as to compared to
like rugby union, and a lot of people get behind it.
But yeah, I watched it the game and found it fascinating,
even the after, as you're saying, even the after matched up,

(09:21):
it's just interesting to learn a little bit more about
the players and see the whole family there. It's kind
of like it's kind of like a whole family event. Really.
It was quite It was cool, And I've.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
Never really seen anything with Kiwis when they've had the
families of retiring rugby players on the field. I've seen
it once or twice maybe, but it's always been a
bit wooden and a bit stilted. This just felt very natural.

Speaker 4 (09:44):
Yeah, it was just like it was.

Speaker 5 (09:45):
It kind of looked like more like a like a
big family event. Everyone was getting on with each other
and yeah, it was just it was kind of amazing.
And then the actual coverage I was kind of similar
right up to there with coverage like you get for
the Olympics. As far as all the different views that
are giving you, they made it, they made it well
made people at home as far like a figure, I

(10:06):
feel like you were, she's there. It was just really cool.
So yeah, great subject. Anyway, Thank you, nice.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
To hear from you, Craig. Keep it going if you
want to talk. Seventeen past eight oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty and nine to nine two detext. I also
think looking we're all the I also think probably looking
we're all the junior clubs and the schools that the
rugby league players had gone from, certainly from Perids. I
guess it's probably quite a big faith based to it all.
They all seem to come through the Catholic education system,

(10:34):
which probably something i'd ever really acknowledgement. Makes sense. It's
the working it's the working class. Carry on anyway, oh
eight hundred and eighty etnad if you've got anything to
say about that. I just thought it was just a
and I always watched the Grand Final, but I just thought, gee,
they do it so well. Particularly the more the immerse
yourself and and get to know a bit about the
players and what they've been through in some of the backstories,

(10:56):
does become quite compelling. It almost becomes its own kind
of thing and feeds on itself, so you follow the
own sub stories and stuff like that. But yeah, it
was an extremely good spectacle. There was a bit of
a question mark over one of the decisions, but they
went to the bunk and the bunker said they had
twenty seven cam wrangles and it hadn't touched the ground.
That was enough, Marcus. What was good was naming the

(11:21):
first clubs they played for so good. Wow, get in
touch if you want to talk just how good that
Grand Final was. I guess probably to do the probably
to do the to phrase it the kindest way. What
can rugby union learn from an event like that? And

(11:41):
the answer is probably not much because we don't have
the best at players playing in the local competition really,
so that's probably the answer to that. We've gone for
the international match and we've focused on internationale they're focused
on the very local. After prompting, we are just checking
whether in our predicted in the New Year's Predictions, that
the Navy would ship one of us. Think one of

(12:02):
its own ships will come back to you on that one.
Roberts Marcus, welcome good even.

Speaker 6 (12:07):
Yeah a Mark here, you're going good?

Speaker 2 (12:09):
Thank you, Rob good.

Speaker 6 (12:11):
It was a great game, wasn't it unbelievable?

Speaker 2 (12:13):
But everything around it was so good too. That's kind
of my point. Do you reckon?

Speaker 6 (12:18):
Oh yeah, the Aussie certainly know how to turn it on, mate.
I went to the last year's Grand Final. I'm not
sure what the crowd was last year, but they said
eighty thousand this year, yes, And I thought the honest
Penrith had Melbourne beat in the first half well, and
truly I think that try that Grant got was against
the run of play. The second half, Melbourne looked like

(12:41):
they could just about bloody do it, but they they
just couldn't quite get there. And then and then it's
Penrith sort of finished it off.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
Good about you. But I think it's hard to like
Melbourne because the coach just looks so miserable. I don't
like watching him. I don't like the guy. I think
to watch him, I think, well, you know, I mean,
get out of the job if you hate it so much.

Speaker 6 (13:03):
Yeah, I'm the same as you. And then I always
looked back to the I thought the teewee halfback he
didn't play that well either.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
No, he got I think he got rattled. I think
he was rattled. I think probably the daim was a
big deal for him. That was quite emotional. I think
he probably peaked with that and he just didn't look
himself at all.

Speaker 6 (13:22):
Yeah, but he stuck it to the Warriors and after
that I sort of disliked him a little bit. Up
when they played the Warriors at Ericson, you know, I
was a little bit I said, oh, you're just a
little you know.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
Thanks for calling. But I like Ericson. Thank you for that.
I enjoyed calling it Erickson.

Speaker 6 (13:41):
Yeah, so it's old habits by hard you know.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
Well, you know I hadn't. I hadn't I had an
Ericson cell phone. I was quite loyal to it too,
you know, after that.

Speaker 6 (13:50):
So oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that's just interesting to see
who's leaving Penrith. Apparently they've got a big production line there,
so you never know, they could go again and win
it next year.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
There, Yes, but yeah they have and they've got Leah
Martin still there. They've got Clary, they've got as Aeo,
they've got the fullback. It was either. I think they've
got sort of they've got half the tree, they've got
half the good ones.

Speaker 6 (14:23):
Yeah, and there'll always be someone coming through that. They're
a bit like the Warriors, I think, where they just
so many players coming through, you know, just in the
in the background that you don't see. It won't take
much of them to find another Lula Wi And in fact,
sometimes you wonder. I know Melbourne used to be quite
good at it. They sort of seem to get rid
of players just at the right time, and when they

(14:43):
went to another club they never.

Speaker 5 (14:44):
Were quite the same.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
I think the one thing.

Speaker 6 (14:48):
What it makes to get Tigers up next, you know.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
The one thing I do know about Penwrith next year,
I think that they are rebuilding their stadium so their
home games will be at the Parameda Field, so that
won't be kind of the fortress and ben with people
have to come into the city for forty minutes drive,
so mightn't be quite the same.

Speaker 6 (15:05):
Yeah, yeah, that's true. Yeah, mind you it's not saying
pretty close to each other, aren't they really? That area?
The whole area Paramta Walking Hills and all that area there,
it's not too far away. It makes sense to go
there if they are reboarding the stadium.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
Yeah, well, I think it all depends what train you get.
When we went to Penrith, you get a train that stops,
it all stops. It could be an hour, but if
you get the express train, it's about twenty minutes. Nice
to talk, Robbo, eight hundred and eighty tay nine decks.
But just what, it's just nice. It's just nice to
watch a sport when it's when it's a pleasure to watch,
and we're not talking about whether they should know whether

(15:42):
we've got the wrong coach, like we're always going on
with the All Blacks anyway. That's just me, Marcus. What
Rugby Unique can do is stop changing the rules like
the world's oldest and richest boat race. Marcus, what do
you know about apple side of Vinegar? He have been
raving about it forever, Marcus. I heard the singing of

(16:04):
the ship was an insurance job to help the hospital.
Quite interesting, Marcus. Most countries focus on local sport rather
than international example EPL football in England, All American Sports,
Sumo in Japan. Not sure why the All Blacks fetish
in New Zealand insecurity David. Yeah, well, we're worse for

(16:29):
it to not have that local off fall down to
the local stadium every weekend to watch our team play.
I think we miss it terribly in this country. I
think we really have back to dud. If we just
focused on the NPC and gave up on the international stuff,
we'd be going great guns anyway. I just want to

(16:50):
enjoy all sport. That'd be my answer, Marcus. The sport
league with the longest season is NASCAR. Oh the other thing.
I don't want to talk about sport all night either,
but I might. I don't apologize for that because I
did love that match. The other thing that I did
this weekend, and I've been slow to this right because

(17:11):
one of the kids it was their birthday and one
of the kids, one of the children, we went and
did an escape room, which sounds like because I've already
judged them, Well, that's not ready for me and most
of you that Marcus, God, I can't believe they'd in
an escaproom before, and others will be thinking cheapest creepers.

Speaker 5 (17:33):
What is that but.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
An escape I've never been to a skateroom before the
escape room is they go and they lock you in
a room and you've got to defuse a bomb or
something and you've got an hour to do it. Well,
I absolutely loved it. I've been reliving it with the
kids all week and I said, now, what happened when
we did? How do we crack?

Speaker 7 (17:50):
That?

Speaker 2 (17:50):
Absolutely fantastic? So I wouldn't mind. That's a bit of
a talk. But I don't know how many they vary
around the category. I think once you've done them all,
then you give it sick of them flip. I loved it.

Speaker 3 (18:03):
The more the.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Merria get in touch by name's Marcus Hurtle, Midnight Tonight
escape rooms. Gee, they're good. Thinking of building one of
my own house. Actually, someone's asked me about Ned Brockman.
I don't know I need Brockmann. Apparently he's trying to
run across Australia? Is that right? Why someone text me

(18:27):
about that? Like I should know about him? How good
is the neared Brockman world record attempt?

Speaker 8 (18:35):
Well?

Speaker 2 (18:35):
Think much of us know about it? He wants to
run across Australia fast. Anyone else has four marathons a day?

Speaker 9 (18:46):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (18:47):
Read about that? That's good? Four marathons a day ned Brockman.
So he's done Perth to Sydney, but now he's got
a new venture, sixteen hundred and ten kilometer run around
the Sydney Olympic Athletic Track. He will attempt to break

(19:10):
the thousand mile record of ten days, ten hours, thirty
minutes and thirty six seconds set by Jannis Curros in
New York and nine ninety eight. So I might follow.
Everyone's got a bit more information about They wouldn't mind
hearing from you about that. I'm into that. That's kind
of in my wheelhouse, like mad people doing mad things
talking about the in RL final last night. What using
in rugby could loarn from that? And what they do

(19:32):
so very well. They make a product that's compelling, always good,
stut of origin, always good, in our our final, always good.
I can't think there's ever been one that's been kind
of one sided. There will have been something will text
me straight away, but always seems to be compelling and
you can't turn off, which isn't the shame. Same with
a lot of sports that you watch these day. Think

(19:53):
I will actually I'll go back to my phone. Dave
Marcus welcome, Yeah.

Speaker 10 (19:58):
You get a Marcus ay Marcus NRL salary cat was
meant to prevent any one hub from dominating like Penrith
has dominated.

Speaker 11 (20:09):
For the last five years.

Speaker 10 (20:12):
It just expects volumes of the work ethic and the
coaching ability and braincruster this organization of ben Yeh, I've
got a great They've got a great up and coming
and they invest in the younger youth players coming up
through the grades and it shows so big up to them.

(20:34):
And I backed Penrith from wod Go and I said
the four in a row and I really enjoyed the
game has the game And what can rugby union learn?

Speaker 4 (20:47):
What I'll tell you what.

Speaker 6 (20:48):
They can learn, and that is.

Speaker 4 (20:51):
So you don't have to be a lawyer to.

Speaker 10 (20:53):
The rules of the game and why just why the
referee is blown the whistle cons constantly. Perhaps if they
did away with these scrums that always have to be reset,
it seems, and if they do away with the lineouts,
well they us all play rugby league.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
And also all that stuff of going into the going
to ground release a ball or coming from the top
and on your knees and stuff like that, it all
seems so arbentry.

Speaker 10 (21:23):
And yeah, and the arbitry is the right word because
when the ripplosers whistling, you never really not. And I
grew up rugby union through the weight for age grades
up to about thirteen years old, and when I saw
the light and played a better game called rugby league,
and I don't know, you know, rugby union was always

(21:45):
a simple game, Marcus picked the ball up and run
with it. It's never it never meant to be complicated
as it is today. You know, you don't have to
be a lawyer to understand the game, but my god,
you do this day and age of rugby union, it's
hard to know what's going on after time.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
Nice to hear from you, Dave. I appreciate your passion.
Marty Marcus. Welcome you home.

Speaker 9 (22:08):
Marcusales are going good. I really enjoyed the you know,
our Grand final last night. It was was a really
good event. And I think the reason why it was
good it was because it was in Melbourne and they
had a bit of a fl crossover going with like
a big sign that they ran through at the start
for the home team. Because you know the old af L,

(22:31):
they have pomp poms and it's pretty tribal when pretty massive.
I think that rubbed off perhaps a little bit.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
I think I think I'm pretty sure it was in Sydney.
Was it in Yeah? One thing was I think it
was the I think it was the course stadium was
something a course. Yeah, so I think they brought the
I think those Melbourne people have brought their thing. They
ran up through with them. I think I think they
might have done that.

Speaker 9 (22:56):
Yeah. Yeah, it looked like a fl kind of thing.
I was because we're not really a league family, but
we really enjoyed it. And this is my pretty long
stretchorry of a Pimouth Panther supporter. There was one time
I were over in Australia for my mate's wedding and
we stayed one night at the Pymroths Panthers Club hotel
really and it was a game night and it was

(23:18):
pumping and I'd fallen off my mountain bike and smashed
my knee and then it ended up in the hospital
as you do before the wedding, and my wife, Julie
was my wife, Jules was in and at the Panthers
on a game night with a bait with a newborn baby.

Speaker 3 (23:36):
I was stuck.

Speaker 9 (23:37):
I was stuck in the hospital. That was a beautiful,
brand new Nepean hospital and anyway, they let me out
for the wedding and the rest of the time I
was just in the hospital with my infected knee. And
the wedding was in the Blue Mountains.

Speaker 4 (23:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
Why did you go mountain biking? Was it like a
staggy type thing?

Speaker 12 (23:55):
Oh?

Speaker 9 (23:55):
No, no, I I was riding around the farm before
the day before I leave.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
Oh, you didn't yourself here.

Speaker 9 (24:03):
Back my knee and then I covered a big stack
of silence and some tire water had gotten on the injury.
And then I got on the plane and by the
time we're driving out of Sydney Airport, she was done
to blow up. Yeah, a long story.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
Do you think the wife's going to stick it? Do
you think your wife's going to stick around a lot
much longer?

Speaker 1 (24:23):
Are you?

Speaker 9 (24:25):
Well, it's been because that because because that.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
Just sounds you see, I mean, you don't go and
get injured on the day before trip overseas well, No
you don't.

Speaker 9 (24:34):
But yeah, the travel insurance. But we got I got
to fly home. I got to fly home business class.
She was down the back.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
That's worse.

Speaker 9 (24:44):
And then we got a really nice Falcon taxi. Yeah,
the warehouse travel insurance actually came through a pretty good
I was surprised.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
What did you say? You said something about the hospital,
and mister Wood you said it was a what hospital?

Speaker 9 (24:55):
It was called the Nepean Hospital and it was a
brand new Penmouth hospital and it's quite close to the
Fortunately I was close to the Penneth Pans Hotel.

Speaker 3 (25:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (25:08):
Anyway, I enjoyed the game. What I enjoyed is like
the characters.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
I talk more about. The wedding man were you uh.

Speaker 13 (25:19):
No?

Speaker 9 (25:20):
I was a groomsman though, and and the wedding was
in the Blue Mountains and they're all big at the
University of Rugby players. I was the smallest one pushally
and they had to carry was in the Blue Mountains.
They had to carry me down on them a frame board.
I was like, I'd like Cleopatra coming into the wedding.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
Well, was it down? Was it down to Tomber at
the bottom of the incline or something?

Speaker 9 (25:41):
It was on like this garden, the Blue Mountains gardens somewhere,
and you've got to go down to three hundreds STIPs.
You're not for old people, not for you?

Speaker 2 (25:52):
Yeah, okay, wow.

Speaker 9 (25:53):
Anyway, a lock, two locks and a prop carried me
in and then I was on pain killers and penicilla
and all sorts of things. And then and it was
like Cinderella going to the ball. And then I whisked
away the taxis, back to the hospital, back into my
gown before midnight.

Speaker 5 (26:11):
Come on the drop.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
How long ago was this?

Speaker 5 (26:15):
Oh?

Speaker 9 (26:16):
Umm, about seventeen years ago?

Speaker 2 (26:19):
Yeah, okay, and tell me if you get If you
get insured and you get medical insurance, they put you
back in business class because you can let stretch your
leg out?

Speaker 9 (26:30):
Was that the reason I had, like Burke Bruce iis
or a big of skin infection where they kept tracing
around with it with a bio pen. So yeah, I
had to keep my leg pretty straight. And I shouldn't
say this, but the underlying factor was I had undiagnosed,
going to a long story, undiagnosed typeline diabetes and that's

(26:52):
why I did.

Speaker 8 (26:53):
And you had to tell how.

Speaker 9 (26:55):
Traveling that.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
It's a pre existing condition.

Speaker 14 (26:59):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
Nothing in the predictions about naval ship incidents, So you
let that one go. But or no, I would have
thought it would happen, did they, Marcus? Did you see
the did you watch the women's national rateby team crash out?
Of the tournament after the nine try to feed by
England this morning. What a disgrace to see the domination
as we struggled in all facets of play World Champs

(27:22):
to World Chumps. Oh, how the mighty you've fallen. All
that will go deeper. There'll be something about that. There'd
be something wrong to be funding or something. I'm watching
it now actually on the TV. I don't know what
that's about, Marcus. Did you know Saint Kevin's arcade at
a party on clang a Happy Road on the weekend
to celebrated century. It was the original house of two houses,

(27:42):
one of which was the residents of Governor Gray. All
this is good stuff people we are talking about. We're
talking about escape rooms only because it's my new obsession
ten years too late. I always like to see be
someone that's sort of slightly more ahead of the curve.
But that's not my case with escape rooms. What I
want to know is if you've been to any interesting
ones around the world, because I'm sure it's something that

(28:05):
people have done. You might have into an a scape
room in Gibraltar or something, or one set in an
old prison. It would be a great thing for tourism.
I don't know if people buy kits or they write
their own, or quite how they work them. Oh yeah,
I'll tell you what I'm all in all, and I
think I was born too early. At my university days
in the twenty twenties, I've got the scape rooms each day.

(28:28):
Get in touch, Marcus till twelve o way undred. I'll
keep you updated with the news around the world and
locally Itago seems to have dried out by the way
the mano Anui, the ship that went aground? How can
a survey ship go aground? Not fully insured? Only third

(28:50):
party insurance? Tell you what they're not good with ships?
This government? Or can you say it's their fault when
it lands with them?

Speaker 5 (28:58):
Done it?

Speaker 2 (29:00):
And also escape rooms today, I'd like to talk about
those because I've never talked about them before. I think
the one problem with escape rooms is you go to
one escape room place in these four or five games.
Once you've done them all, that's kind of you're done
and dusted. I think I don't know that they reinvent

(29:20):
them that often. I'm desperate to invent one. I count
what with some good ideas for that? But get in touch,
Marcus till twelfth is other news you've got. I'd like
to hear that other news tonight. Second week of the
school holidays. I just say that because people might wonder
why these kids wandering around or something when you repair
at the school holiday seem to become quite a big deal.

(29:41):
It seems like everything's upside down for a couple of weeks,
doesn't it. Sixteen to nine If you want to be
a part of the show. Fancy Mardy and the wedding.
I don't know what to say about that. Chips, mountain
biking and injuries HOI Marcus Deneden has four escape rooms,

(30:03):
all at the old prison across from Tuitu. My friends
from Indicable loved them. Oh and it's raining in d
need enjoy your program each night, Kate. Love to hear
from you, Kate. I'll be up to that one. I
can't wait. Actually, twelve away from nine. I'm living for
them now, Carrie, it's Marcus. Welcome and good.

Speaker 15 (30:18):
Evening evening now, Marcus. I just thought, well, there was
a subject talking about league. I thought it might be
interesting to just mention a couple of little points about
our local rugby league. I mean, it's something we always
see the provincial results in rugby coming across the news,
but very little about that in the league in this

(30:38):
country and in your neck of the woods and Bluff,
for example, you may not know this, but Bluff was
the very first town in New Zealand which had a
game of rugby league, which was in July nineteen oh eight,
which was quite amazing. It was after two rugby clubs
Pirates and Britannia, were banned by the Southern Rugby Union
for refusing to play in the midweek game because it

(30:59):
was in terrible conditions. They were banned. They studied up
on the law book in those days league was Northern
Union rules and they subsequently played a fortnite later. Also
the Otago, for example, the Uther League is just as
in this first division in the Rugby League for the
very first time ever and when they played for example

(31:20):
autun this year in Dunedin a couple of weeks ago,
it was the first time since nineteen fifty six two
sides they never played each other. So there's a there's
a lot of history going back in the league, back
well over a one hundred year I mean in the
car Southern and Otago. We're going in rugby league is
Northern Union rules back as far as nineteen oh eight,

(31:41):
just following after that club game.

Speaker 3 (31:43):
Are you are you.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
A league historian?

Speaker 3 (31:47):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (31:50):
You didn't write that history book, did you? I see
that book quite a claim that history of league and
US is that that's not your book, is it?

Speaker 8 (31:56):
No?

Speaker 15 (31:56):
Boy did help Ryan Bodman about that around the New
Zealand Universities. And I'm working on a league book because
next year it will be exactly one hundred year since
the Targa Rugby League was incorporated, although as I say,
it stretches back to nineteen oh eight and then the
cargo goes back to that time. Even though there was
a big there was many years in which there wasn't

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any league played for one reason or another. And even
Timuru had a game in nineteen oh eight as well,
with the South Canterbury side, so as Eve starting up
before Canterbury and the West, which has always been traditionally
regarded as the first starting point of league in the
South Island.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
Both the boys play league for the Bluff team and
they played rugby as well, but there is still a
There hasn't always been a Bluff team, but there is
a Bluff team now, which I presume carries on that league,
and I think I think they've been a port town.
I think League off and on has been quite quite
strong and Bluff.

Speaker 15 (32:49):
Well, when when the Warriors first began the nineteen ninety
four days, he took two Bluff boys. Drew Neilson was
one of them, and I can't remembers first name. Mead
was also a plane member.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
That's right, And I remember that I was in Bluff
at the time. It said, I do you remember that
that they done? Yes, yeah, that begs up what I've
thought about that as well. So what are you writing
a history of Carrie?

Speaker 15 (33:13):
Well, so next year it's one hundred years of the
Target Rugby League. Since it was an became as an
incorporated body, it became actually one stage in the nineteen twenties,
the wealthiest league body in New Zealand because it started
up what was then called the Art Union Lottery, which
is sort of the forerunners of the Golden KIW. Became
very rich and even at one stage following the kiwi's

(33:35):
disastrous to of Britain in nineteen twenty six, which they
lost a lot of money off, they even learned the
new Zealand Rugby League eight hundred and twenty pounds, which
was a huge thumb back then to keep them out
of the Red A Targo, for example, I've just done
and I did an article on the Target Early Times
a couple of weeks ago when Auckland played to Targo,
as I mentioned at the first time since nineteen fifty six.

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That game was incidentally the very first game played under lights.
That was at Turna Park in Dunedin. I interviewed the
last surviving player from there to Target Side is now
ninety three. In September of the previous year, the club
games were playing under lights at Tuna Park and can you.

Speaker 3 (34:12):
Tell me what?

Speaker 2 (34:13):
Can you tell me what his name is?

Speaker 5 (34:14):
Garry?

Speaker 2 (34:15):
I think we ought to honor him.

Speaker 15 (34:17):
Yeah, his name is Don Kilgar. He's still still very chirpy.
He lives up in Wellington these days. So yeah, the
it was in It was in the as I say,
an article that got published in they told Early Times
a few weeks ago.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
I really appreciate you coming through. Thank you so much
for that. Giri found that fascinating. Craig, it's Marcus, Welcome, good.

Speaker 12 (34:38):
Evening evening, Marcus Dolly wasn't that guy before the before
the aid? Wasn't he interesting?

Speaker 5 (34:45):
Very you know?

Speaker 11 (34:47):
Yeah, he was great.

Speaker 12 (34:49):
He was great, lovely to talk to you.

Speaker 4 (34:51):
How are you good?

Speaker 16 (34:52):
Thank you?

Speaker 2 (34:53):
Escape Rooms? Sorry, Beck, Sorry, I'm Johnny cup lately with us.

Speaker 12 (34:57):
Oh no, please don't apologize. I you know, I'm someone
who's sort of thanks for the kind of sweached and
be quite good at the old Escape rooms. But I
went with a work group and quite frankly, if it
wasn't for the other couple.

Speaker 11 (35:14):
That I was with, would still be there.

Speaker 4 (35:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
I think I overrated my ability.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
I was.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
I got overwhelmed by too many different things. It took
me a while to get on this. Yeah, I wasn't
too much information coming, and I think I don't quite
know what it was.

Speaker 12 (35:31):
You know, you know, we were we were sort of
talking all day at work and I thought, oh, yeah,
this will be this will be a bit of mayor.
But honestly, I went I went there and the whole
thing just went over my head.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
I know exactly what then. So what did you end
up at the end of the hour doing We were
carrying in a corner, are we?

Speaker 17 (35:52):
Oh?

Speaker 12 (35:52):
No, that they had you know, you could get through
on a walkie talkie to get clues. Turned out was
about all I was good for was for the clues.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
Did you get demoted after that, Craig?

Speaker 12 (36:10):
Oh, well, I got demoted to escape rooms. I'm not
planning to sitting another one.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
It probably affected your reputation at work, though. Did it
defect that you know good when you talked it up
and said you'd be fairy good at that?

Speaker 7 (36:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (36:23):
Well, you know there was there was another fella in
one of the other groups who was saying, oh, I
break out of them really quickly in all this, but
he struggled with it too. I didn't feel so bad.

Speaker 15 (36:36):
I didn't feel so.

Speaker 6 (36:37):
Bad after that, Craig.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
Where was the venue? Whereabouts is this? Because I want
to do them all now?

Speaker 12 (36:43):
And Hereford Street it's just Christ, Yeah, Christ, it's not
far off the.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
Square, Hereford Street the sky. I look into that and
it's a well run kind of a unit. It's all good.
It doesn't really meant it, does it really?

Speaker 12 (36:58):
Oh yeah, it was a great.

Speaker 17 (37:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (37:01):
One of them was a crime scene type arrangement, but
the one we did a treasure island type thing in
you were twisting ropes round and trying to make numbers
and all sorts of things. Goodness me, it still gives
me nightmares.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
Markets and Georgia very much, Greg, thank you.

Speaker 8 (37:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
The escape rooms, well love it. I love it anyway.
Think well, take the old man for one, for his
ninety fifth, for his Birthda's what we might be doing.
He'll be good at him anyway, not quitture if there's
age appropriate text her texts. That's what they do. Un
befuddled already, because I thought an escape room is like

(37:43):
a safe bunker in the garden, or maybe a meditation room. Cindy,
were you quite right? There was that movie called a
scape Room with oh what was her name? It'll come
to me, that young actor, that actress that was big
when she was young. Anyway, So there was a movie

(38:04):
called the escape Room, which is a thing, right, And
they're a room that you lock yourself and if you
get invaded. But also is and remember I'm only twenty
four hours into this, it's a form of entertainment that
people now that we go with a group of you
and you go to a place called an escaperoom, or
maybe that might be a safe for him. Jodie Foster

(38:24):
was the person's name of the actress. So she was
a movie called Escape Room. I think so. Yes, it's confusing,
but it's also and most towns now have them. I mean,
the fact that I'm discussing it means that I'm slightly
behind the eight ball because they've been around for a
little while now, probably for a decade. I'm sure they've

(38:45):
been overseas for a lot longer. So we are talking
about that. We're also talk about the NRL Grand Final
and how extraordinary it was and what a great sport
that rugby league is and the fact that they've tried
to our panet room was the one your panet room.
They've tried to embrace everything and make the game much

(39:06):
more inclusive, and it's always been hasn't always worked, but
these days, you know, honoring the PACIFICA players with their
all of it. They're just great. It's just a good
sport and it was a pleasure pleasure to watch. So
we talk about it also as escape rooms. Great text here,
a lot a lot of great texts coming through. Some
of you guys could text for New Zealand if that

(39:27):
was an event should be Marcus. Now that our navy
has demonstrated what it's capable of I hope the Chinese
sit up, take notice and show some respect. That's from
Nick another text or Nick from White to the texts.

(39:49):
The escape room chat reminded me of being locked looked
after by my great uncle in the nineties down in
pang A Nui. He would tiele us cousins up together
with rope and would go watch track side until we
could get out. To this day, I'm unsure about it,
but it gave me a lifelong and try and knots
and stuff. Nick from Waita, I've read that twice. I

(40:13):
think the great uncle was in the same house. He
just go to the other room and watch track side.
He's probably X maritime you the notts, that sort of stuff.
It's a great thing to do. Get in touch, Hitte twelve.
You want anything to this, My name is Marcus. Welcome

(40:36):
not never been great with knots. Kind of in your
life when it comes to notts, the times you're interested
in learning about knots and the time you need to
know about knots never coincide. So now do we have

(40:59):
to remove a fridge on the back of the ute
you're trying to You never know then what they're not.

Speaker 18 (41:03):
You need.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
That makes it s I it's Marcus, welcome, good evening,
high end.

Speaker 11 (41:10):
Yeah, hell and Marcus. I was talking to you the
other night about the floods from Dunedin.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
Oh, thank you for coming through.

Speaker 11 (41:16):
Then I've got two incidents and I well, I was
photographing ships for fifty years.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
Wow, thank you for your service.

Speaker 11 (41:30):
That was between Bluff and between Bluff and Littleton. But
you mentioned up a bit of the incidence with ships. Yes,
I remember one. There was an Australian.

Speaker 10 (41:50):
What you call it.

Speaker 11 (41:52):
Australian Aircraft carrier ah and AS Melbourne on an exercise
somewhere in the one of the Z class Australian destroyers
cut right across the front of the bare of the
velvet at full speed and got chopped in half hoodness

(42:17):
and as the underwater obstructions about the I think it
was the late eighties or the early nineties. We had
a British destroyer coming out to New Zealand to do
a tour around the four main port but in four
petitionally she never made it off. She hit her uncharted

(42:41):
rock off Lord Howe Island and was badly damaged and
they managed to get to Sydney get her into dock
and she had to be taken back to England on
what they on a seat on a semi submerthful ship,

(43:02):
which involves thinking the stern the ship underwater and floating
the tug tugs, floating the the destroyer onto the back
onto the back of the deck, flooding and and bringing

(43:24):
her up above water level again. And that's how they
got her back to England. What was the name of
that vessel in mom Moose Share an English county move.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
And was it was?

Speaker 4 (43:38):
It?

Speaker 2 (43:38):
Was it scrapt or was it managed to remain back?

Speaker 11 (43:41):
And she was repaired at great expense. Let's just say
the hunt the one hundred million that they that they
say for the New Zealand one was a small change
and restore and restoring her the service in the UK.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
Were you surprised to hear about the New Zealand ship?

Speaker 11 (44:05):
Yes, yes, because she's a long line of ships that
had done that. The first one I remember, I remember
was a Waklan. She was an she started after all
those forties and fifty's in the Bay class frigate.

Speaker 3 (44:25):
Uh.

Speaker 11 (44:27):
The names just woved me. Now that there was another
one after her, which they charted from America from the
US Daisy, and.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
I couldn't believe. In the weekend I heard that that
was one of those ships had sunk like.

Speaker 11 (44:43):
That sunk as was said, yeah, as was said last night.
You know you've got size of the activity. Things like
that can come up and you know in yeah and there,
you don't know that there I.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
Had they hit something uncharted?

Speaker 11 (45:02):
Well, they got the British one here.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
Okay, but not the not the one that happened went
down the weekend.

Speaker 11 (45:10):
No, no, no, the British one. There was an uncharted
rock up lord how not unchatted? Found?

Speaker 2 (45:16):
Not unchatted?

Speaker 5 (45:17):
Now, I bet no, No, yeah, that's.

Speaker 11 (45:25):
Always happened.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
Where did you photograph the ships? We photographed in them?

Speaker 11 (45:32):
I'll drop them. I've roped them in the newspaper articles
and amongst all white photos like the I got the
the thing. He was a new favorite article that I
got given. And the British destroyer when she was on

(45:52):
the way out she cut into the lord Hare Island
for some reason, and of course of visit after that
was canceled.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
How's the weather in Doneda? Is that the clean up finished?

Speaker 9 (46:09):
No?

Speaker 11 (46:09):
No, the port road still be support road still not
one hundred percent open yet.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
Yeah, I saw there's some quite big rocks down there.

Speaker 4 (46:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (46:21):
There several swifts for you here.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
Ye nice to hear from you and thank you. Seventeen
past nine Marcus till twelve, Escape Rooms and Rugby League
and the extraordinary thing of the Grand Final. While I
went up to collect this medal and the young guy,
the young rooster that was giving up the medals, he
got down on one knee and asked him to marry him.
That's how impressed with his performance he was. Brian too,

(46:46):
he's the one has six diet cochs, two burgers and
chips for breakfast on game day. That's not good. I
think he's one of the Mountain druet boys getting touch
hit all twelve My names Marcus welcome.

Speaker 8 (46:58):
You know.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
The rest are eight one hundred and eighty eight, ten
eighty and nine nine two detexts. But I don't know
if anyone's got any interesting bath stories. Someone says you
think was spying for the Soviet I don't know. He
wouldn't say where he was taking photos from. I imagine
guys like in these days would have drones. God to
love a drone. Bathtub Day America Cup begins this Weekend

(47:29):
first to seven. For those that missed the memo, the
Italians no good to be mistakes, so the Brits will
have another guy. I didn't realize this some of my
America's Cup history. The last time a British guy raced

(47:54):
in the America's Cup, the skipper was Robin Falcon Scott's son,
and I presume Kathleen Falcon Scott as his wife. I
don't know anything about Robert Falcon Scott's son, but he

(48:17):
must have been a fairly good mariner and that would
have been the big yachts. Then just read that in
the Weekend Peter Scott, Peter Scott, know nothing much about him.

(48:49):
Interest is as I google that guy, they say, comes up,
where is Robert Falcon Scott buried? Well he's not is he.
He's still an aglessier somewhere moving towards the sea. Those
bodies will be released sometime soon. Those people that perished him,
and Oates and the likes chrystalized okaat you got the

(49:11):
handing that radio? Well, Chris, aren't you up and down
with her? Right? That's brilliant?

Speaker 8 (49:15):
Yep, mate, that final That is the pinnacle of entertainment
in twenty twenty four. I've never seen anything like it,
and I've been watching a Regulargue finals since nineteen eighty
seven and Carlo Park Manga EASTWSS North Skirt Tigers.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
Tell me, tell me the Mungay East strip. I like
to visualize them.

Speaker 8 (49:35):
It's like it's like a green and red.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
I knew it would I knew it would be green.
Was Freeman?

Speaker 8 (49:42):
Yep? Gary Freeman played last game in nineteen eighty seven
for the North scot took us and he won the title,
and then he went on to become Lelly m and Australia.
When he went over to Australia. Now he chucked his
boots in the crowd and I grab one of them.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
Do you not think the last of the State of
Origin matches this year was better than the Grand Final?

Speaker 8 (50:02):
Oh that's said of Origin. That's just a whole different thing.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
Okay, the standard, But in terms of like.

Speaker 8 (50:09):
Competitiveness fourteen six that was a close game. So it
was back and forth, but more or less the Storm
was shut out of the game after twenty two minutes.
They didn't score any tries. The last trow the last
point was in the twenty third minute and that was it.
They just got bamboozled and it was It was just amazing,

(50:29):
especially to go for Noel. You know, I'm thinking about
doing my fourth half marathon, but you know, because I'm
inspired by these guys, you know, because they're from one
of the poorest, lowest show sour economic neighborhoods in Australia,
Mount Droord. Like you said before, I mean where Sydney
goes for as far as the I can see, You've
never seen anything like it, just train after train after train,

(50:52):
you know, flying From the last time I was in
Sydney Olympics Stadium was for the Olympics in two thousand
when I was a spectator and I saw Kathy Freeman
win the four hundred meters.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
Tell me something, Tell me something Chris about that? Can
I ask you a question?

Speaker 8 (51:06):
Yep?

Speaker 2 (51:09):
I was reading an article in the Weekend about Reese
Walsh and how he wears the flesh gear, the like
the the flesh sunglasses and stuff in the club's room,
and they made some moment about Kathy Freeman in that
one piece. But that wasn't her being showy. That was

(51:31):
just her doing that for speed, wasn't it.

Speaker 8 (51:34):
And for the lights because it was the finals at night, okay,
and for them to compare her with herm as just
as the responsible broadcasting.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
I couldn't believe it because I thought she's she was
never she was never someone that was showy or looked
for the lot. I thought she always conducted herself with
huge humility.

Speaker 8 (51:55):
She wasn't. She was amazing and she won the race
and she came first, and it was it was amazing
to be there, because memories are worth more than silver
and gold in terms of who else couldn't say that
they were at the match. When at the stadium, you know,
when Katy Freman won that not many sports broadcasts broadcasters
were it was there was you couldn't get it was
hard to get tickets. But yeah, in terms of Australia, Man, Australia,

(52:21):
even poor neighborhoods are doing really well these days. Like
everybody's doing well these days. It's like it reminds me
of Texas or Las Vegas. It's just doing so well Australia.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
You hang on, Chris. You wouldn't want it to get
much harder, would you?

Speaker 8 (52:33):
With the warming, Well, you know, when you move to
the disert, that's what you get. But in terms of I.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
Wouldn't want to do I wouldn't want to do a
summer in Ruty Hill.

Speaker 8 (52:45):
Oh neither. What I mean you'll have to You'll have
to really condition to yourself. That'll be like living in
the Sahara deser I reckon.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
I read that book about Ruty Hill. They either backpacker, murderer.
He came from me in Malett. He was a nasty
piece of work. You think he was Ruty Hill. Jeff
Marcus welcome, Hello, Hi Jeff.

Speaker 16 (53:07):
Yeah, hi mate. You know it wasn't about this ship.
That's the reef of Sma. Now, when that ship was
originally purchased, they knew it was about fifteen years old. Now,
it seemed to me that the solar year on that

(53:33):
ship should have realized that they were so close onto
a reef. I just can't understand why the captain of
that ship shouldn't have realized that. Now, all we've got
now was a total embarrassment to the New Zealand government

(53:56):
because the people of Samar are realizing that if the
oil spews out of that ship, it's going to cause
havoc to their coastline.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
I think we need to wait for an inquiry to
find out what happened to the ship. I think that's
probably the first thing. It might have been preventable.

Speaker 10 (54:18):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
I mean I know that I know it ran a
ground and caught fire. There is a court of inquiry
being launched to work out why it ran aground. But
it was a survey ship, so they should have known
where the reefs were.

Speaker 16 (54:32):
Yeah, of course they should have done. Of course, sake,
you want to go. For Christ's sake, a ship caught
on fire, and then I went down on the things.
I went down and sunk on the bottom there.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
Now, so first ship we've lost since World War II?
Are you week services?

Speaker 5 (54:54):
What's that?

Speaker 16 (54:55):
Sorry?

Speaker 2 (54:56):
Have you been in combat?

Speaker 1 (55:00):
Uh?

Speaker 16 (55:00):
Yeah, I went I went to Vietnam, I wondered. Okay,
So I thought that the captain of that ship try
to realize they were so close to a reef. To me,
I just you know, they've got that son of gear

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that's on a boat. But if the son of gear
is not working, they were not realized they were so
close onto a reef, and they should have been.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
Yeah, you have most of information on your cell phone
these days, wouldn't it all be there?

Speaker 4 (55:38):
What's that?

Speaker 11 (55:38):
Sorry, you get on.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
Google maps, should know where the reefs were?

Speaker 16 (55:42):
Yeah, what do you would think? So, wouldn't you? So
what we've got? So, So, what we've got is we've
got incapable captains on on ships that are causing disasters.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
Okay, you want to go there?

Speaker 16 (55:58):
Okay, put it this way. There was another boat. There
was a container boat t har a reef off the
uh of.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
The Renner and they went to jail.

Speaker 16 (56:16):
Yeah, so we should do It's a good point.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
They didn't do time. I think they did. Yeah, that's right,
good point. Thank you, Jeff, And thank you for mentioning
Motiti Island the home of the you know what Motiti
Island is the home of Jeff?

Speaker 5 (56:32):
What's up?

Speaker 2 (56:33):
Do you know anything about Matiti Island?

Speaker 4 (56:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 16 (56:36):
I do, And I know that I can't first say
her anymore because of snaw protector.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
The only thing I know because I've spoken. I've spoken
on this, I've spoken on the show a number of
times for a woman that lives there. She was elderly.
But it's also where that gorgeous yellow Pahutakawa comes from.
That's peculiar, and that's where that originated.

Speaker 16 (57:00):
Yeah, well it doesn't doesn't matter about that.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
Oh yeah, but Jeff, But Jeff, I'm in for a
conversation about all sorts of things.

Speaker 8 (57:09):
Yeah, well we could do.

Speaker 16 (57:11):
There's been so many shipping disasters that wouldn't be funny.
But the point is, at the moment we've gotten embarrassed.
But go an embarrassment.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
Okay, I'm hearing it. If you're doing getting a bit
more worked up but too worked up for me? What's
that you're getting a bit too worked up for me?

Speaker 16 (57:32):
No, I'm not getting worked up.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
Well you are really, because I mean you said you
it's not that pleasant to listen to because you're quite Yeah,
I mean, I think you make some good points.

Speaker 16 (57:41):
But the point is, at the moment, if all the
oil was views out of that boat that hit the
reef off tomorrow there the people, you know, what a
great big message gonna make.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
Yes, I'm hearing that.

Speaker 16 (57:57):
And New Zealand doesn't matter if we're flying that plane
room with a whole lot of stuff, you know, to
help them, ye, which Zenon is very obligated to zoo
side as New Zealand naval boat that caused a disaster.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
Can I go now?

Speaker 16 (58:18):
No, I haven't finished it.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
I feel like I'm hostage.

Speaker 16 (58:22):
Yep, keep going, Okay, Okay, So these are my thoughts.
Captains of these boats have got to be a hell
of a lot more responsible they are. You know what's
happened off moat of the island, off off that reef.

(58:42):
Not only that, I could go right back about about
the Hobart disaster. Okay, when they took a second of
the bridge out in the Hope Bart in Tasmania. What
a fuger disaster that was, yeah, rif Yeah, well we've

(59:06):
had so many disasters with ships, uh people, And.

Speaker 14 (59:14):
You know what it was.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
It wasn't It wasn't a naval ship. It was the
S S the s S lake Illawara took the as
a bolt carrier, took the took the testment bridge out.

Speaker 16 (59:27):
Yeah, well you know it was that gentleman said to me,
said on the phone, just when I was listening on
the radio.

Speaker 5 (59:35):
He was right.

Speaker 16 (59:36):
The manner of disasters that have happened through lack of
lack of.

Speaker 3 (59:45):
Call it.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
What's the like if you would you if you were running,
hang on, hang on, Jeff, I'm going to throw a
question that you're okay, take your time before you answer it.
If you were running a navy, would you ensure your boats?

Speaker 16 (01:00:00):
Would I ensure them?

Speaker 11 (01:00:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 16 (01:00:03):
No, we shouldn't have to insure them.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
Okay, that's a tricky answer. That was all expecting. But now,
in hindsight, I think it was exactly the answer he
was going to give Liz Marcus welcome.

Speaker 19 (01:00:15):
A few years back or I'm not sure when they
used to have the Escape Room on TV? Did you
ever see it?

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
Well, I saw the Flora's Lava.

Speaker 19 (01:00:27):
Well, I don't know, I used to watch it all. Come,
I'm totally fascinated. Now you've got me fascinating because I'm
designing a escape groupe and I don't know how you're
going to do yours.

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
Are you're going to design one?

Speaker 19 (01:00:41):
Well, I'm going to design it with you, because you're
going to have to have a huge, big bacon shed
or something, because how are you going to do it?

Speaker 18 (01:00:49):
All?

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
You watch The Spaceless, you watch this place. I play
one for the Zibee Christmas party. That's my dream. We
all going to an escape room, either that or hobbiton.
I was spoken to the boss about the Hobbit and
Christmas party, and he always did not that big on it.
That's what I want though. Marcus to talk last week

(01:01:14):
about Noto and agree brought back good memories for my
Catholic up group days. It's named after an Irish village
and County Cork. I spent a lot of time there
in the early eighties. The local vineyards didn't require any idea.
It's still a retreat type place with a disc golf course.
I feel quite strong about disc golf that it's not

(01:01:34):
even a sport. It's a dud sport. But every time
I go anywhere there's disc golf, there's more and more
people playing it and they seem to love it. Are
you sure that's what you want to be playing? Marcus,
drug test all the crew, immediate in the captain, the
media to make the results public. Marcus, My dad was

(01:01:56):
sunk on the h Men's in Moa and the Solomons
in World War Two, was rescued by the Yanks. He
was so thankful. He named my brother Dale after the
man who pulled him out of that burning hell water.
That's Noel. It's a good text. People always give me

(01:02:17):
emotional when a ship sinks, don't they Navy ship may
have lost power, a power outage. That's right, So I
don't know why it would have lost power. There'd be
an engineering fault or some fault like that. But that's

(01:02:38):
what they've got engineers for. Eh Hi Vivian, it's Marcus. Welcome, Yes, Marcus.

Speaker 7 (01:02:44):
Already years since the war. That's the first time I've
heard someone else speak about the mower. The corvette, the
New Zealand corvette that was sunk in the Solomon Islands.
And my father was also a survivor from that.

Speaker 4 (01:03:01):
Disaster.

Speaker 7 (01:03:03):
She was actually doing punishment duty for being unburnt, and
he was painting the bridge and the bomber came through
and it was aiming for a tanker that was burst
near him. It missed them, and it got the moa
at which sunk. My father was thrown overboard, and his

(01:03:25):
mates had actually perished because they saw his hat float by,
but he had swum away from the oil as sat
man that lady said. And in his dad's case, two
the Yanks pulled him out of water and propped him
up against a coconut tree and gave him some rum
to drink. But yes, that's the first time since the

(01:03:46):
war that I've heard someone else mention the moller.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
Okay, wow, because I know the name plate of it
is I think is at the Torpedo Bay Naval Museum,
I think. And the main deck gun from the record.

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
Is that right?

Speaker 10 (01:04:01):
I think.

Speaker 7 (01:04:02):
I'm not quite sure, but I'm just I sort of
was called unawares, so I haven't been able to gather.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
I thought, you know, that must be one hundred. That
must be in forty one. I mean, he must have
been born in nineteen twenty or something. He had have
been twenty or so.

Speaker 7 (01:04:19):
My dad's now been dead six years and he was
almost ninety five when he died. So he went off
to war and he had his eighteenth birthday on buship
unless that he took to his father into letting him
go to war. And you so that's what happened with
that man. And there weren't I I just can't remember

(01:04:39):
how many survivors there were, but there weren't many. So
amazing to hear this tonight from about this little ship,
this little coolvet.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
Yeah, I think were I think five were killed and
seven seriously injured.

Speaker 3 (01:04:53):
That's right, it was.

Speaker 7 (01:04:54):
It was, you know, it was not good and the
Japanese were up there. He told us. He used to
make me feel quite nervous because he talked about the
progress of the JA and he's coming down through the
islands and how much danger they were in here, and.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
The thing about the thing about the war. That would
not have been the end of his service. Ether what
he would have been plucked from the water and put
against the coconut tree. But it wasn't the home trip
for him. He would continue for several years.

Speaker 12 (01:05:24):
Well.

Speaker 7 (01:05:24):
He was discharged from the navy. Navy in nineteen forty
four and he was unable to walk because of bombshe
a shell shock their caulds in those days, but post
traumatic fresh disease syndrome. And he was discharged and was

(01:05:47):
in rehab Wellington Hospital, and then in rehab for a
long time.

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
So and he could and in the end he learned
to walk again within.

Speaker 7 (01:05:57):
Yes he did, indeed, but he had bad trouble with
his hearing. He was he was in gunnery. He was
a gunner, and he had he had dreadful deafness and
has had trouble with his back. And as I said,
he was when he was discharged. He was discharged from
the Navy into the Army and then into Sivy Street

(01:06:17):
on the same day.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
So Certainly the sunburn didn't affect his longevity, did he.

Speaker 7 (01:06:26):
Oh yeah, exactly. But it was quite amazing that he was.
He was being punished, you see, because it was not
it was not a dumb thing to have sunburn. Yeah,
they weren't meant to do that. So he's punished, and
so he was lucky.

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
Really nice to hear from you, Vivian. Thank you so much,
and I'm glad the topic came up. That's of relevance
to you too. Gosh, we're an unforgiving country, aren't we.
Someone says, Marcus, I reckon that lot, that top of
the pylon might have been on board. Yep, Marcus. Courts
of inquiry are incredibly detailed because they informed the choice

(01:07:02):
of whether to prefer that court martial. You do well
not to denigrate that, thank you, Marcus. They had replacement
insurance for naval vessel. The premiums would be humongous. A
naval vessel can be called on to go to some
serious dangerous situations. Good point, Joe, and I reckon. The

(01:07:24):
salvage experts reckoned, according to one news, So it'll be
tricky to get the Manawa Nui up from the sea.

Speaker 5 (01:07:31):
There we go.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
And TVNZ plans to end its one news website in February.
I thought there'd be one of the most cheaper things
to run would be the website twenty nine days until
the US election. Sky fawks, We've got the couple got
a busy talk about a couple of months going up
because it's the obligatory ban, fireworks discussion, and then the Halloween.

(01:07:56):
It's not really us discussion. What's that about? It's not
our culture, They'll say, unlike the bearded white guy, but
will happen? What's that about? That's not our culture. My
views of Halloween are thus sometimes at the wrong time

(01:08:18):
of the year. I will go to kmart or to
the warehouse in the weeks preceding Halloween, and I'm always
staggered by the absolute junk.

Speaker 5 (01:08:36):
That they.

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
Produced in the name of Halloween. I'm all for carving
a pumpkin, but jeeps creeper some of that molded plastic stuff.
It's not good. Only be days before it ends up
as landfill days hours. Good to see Lebron playing the
sun first time ever. Father and son in the NBA

(01:09:02):
Big Story. That not as as the story from the
Baseball where the guy prot not to catch the ball.
That was inspired old MOOKI Betts was running around cocker
hoope to the guy reveally had the ball in his glove.
One of the great moves. When I found out that
Jack the Ripper was a freemason, is that right? I

(01:09:26):
sort of stopped clicking on Jack the Ripper stories. We
are talking about the NRL last night. What an extraordinary
spectacle that was and how can the Australian Rugby League
do have an event that builds up to the end
of the year. It's such a huge event, which doesn't disappoint.
It's because they've managed to change the game with the

(01:09:48):
times or the way they promote the game, in the
way they cover the game was extraordinary. Anyway, so I
took that and also escape rooms after ten years of
never doing an escape room and kind of in quite judgmental,
that's my thing for those that don't know. You go
along and you go into a room, you are a
final find your way out was all the rage a
while ago. I'm quite slow off the bat for this one,

(01:10:10):
but I've been busy with work and kids and stuff.
That's what I say. But anyway, that's what we are
at about tonight. The number is eight hundred and eighty
teddy and nine two nine two detext. If you want
to talk about these things, it'd be great to hear
from you. If there's something different you want to talk about,
that's also good. Also also good. Also, it's all good.

(01:10:35):
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty and nine two nine
two to text. You get something better on the TV too,
to watch. That's boring, boring, boring, boring, boring. Oh that's
the volume button. Good evening. Laureate's Marcus.

Speaker 20 (01:10:55):
Welcome, Yhi Marcus. Hey, I think Kim dot Com I
think he had the most famous escape roune in New Zealand.

Speaker 4 (01:11:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (01:11:12):
Hey, I was up in summer in nineteen seventy five
when the survey ship at that time, the Lachlan had
a more had a more successful trip, and we were helping.
It was surveying or part of our harbory, and I
think it was it was this last trip. I think
it got replaced by the Monowai not long after that,

(01:11:33):
but that that worked out pretty well for them. I
was up there working surveying with the Samoan government, so
we were assisting them.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
But did you explain what could you explain to us
LORI what a survey shipper is. It's just it's just
got a it's just got a sona. What's it called
the thing that works for depth?

Speaker 20 (01:11:54):
Yeah, yeah, I mean in those days it would be
probably a form of the sonar and sort of echo
sounding sort of plotting in the bottom. But then they
also would plot wreaths as well and update the charts.
Really was sort of official charting set up and look

(01:12:19):
for hazards.

Speaker 4 (01:12:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (01:12:21):
That where they became a lot more sophisticated with us,
you know, with these new ones where they have a
lot of quite a wide scanning sort of sounding arrangement.
You know, they can map quite large areas.

Speaker 9 (01:12:34):
Here.

Speaker 20 (01:12:35):
But as it happened, not long after they left, I
got to be navigator on a boat to around the
summer on islands looking we're looking from at that stage
for manganese nodules. The United Nations had sort of put
some money in and there was going to be the
one of an economic.

Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
What was the what was the manganes to be used for?

Speaker 20 (01:13:00):
Well, I guess it's a highly prized Lineralurrently, the Cook
Islands they're looking at for them right now. They've got
a sophisticated sort of search going on. Supposedly, the nodules
form in the Pacific in a fairly pure form, of

(01:13:23):
inarly pure form, so when you find them, they were
in a little you know, sort of around nodules on
the floor and there's no overburden. The idea is you
can just come along and scoop them up and sell
them for a great profit. That we worked around the
southern coast of Appollu, but we didn't do much to

(01:13:44):
the south there really because that's it drops off to
the tongue and trench on that southern side of poll
and gets very deep and so supposedly we're the ship
got its gone. It could be in quite deep water,
I suppose. Still that was around that side of the island.

(01:14:06):
Was noticeable in those days was the we were in
quite a small It was like the tongue and I
mean the Samoan sort of version of a tugboat. We
would work and come into the odd villages at night
sort of for rest on this the fishermen. There's a
lot more one armed fishermen around there because there's a

(01:14:29):
lot less with the sharks. So they if they're following
up the fish, you know when the fisherman's putting up
his line and yeah, it's not quick enough or something changes,
a few of them get get their arms chopped off.

Speaker 2 (01:14:45):
So did you see any sharks?

Speaker 4 (01:14:49):
We didn't know no.

Speaker 20 (01:14:52):
What we were dropping because the gear we had was
pretty very basic and we were dropping free for all
type grabs and cameras. They were sort of in frames
with concrete weights on them so that they would fall
to the bottom. When when they touched the bottom will
trigger a spring which would fling off the concrete weights

(01:15:15):
and either take a photograph or or sort of a
spoop would grab what was ever at the bottom and
then had enough floatation to come to the top. And
we just had to recover those basically to see if
there was any pictures of manganese nodules or.

Speaker 7 (01:15:33):
No.

Speaker 20 (01:15:34):
No, we've got quite a lot of photographs of silty
bottoms and the muddy stuff here and there. It's quite
a few cameras still left on the bottom round.

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
So it's a price acause every time you're always in
the Pacific, always talk about some sort of mining line that,
but it never it never happens.

Speaker 20 (01:15:57):
Oh well, I mean that that at that stage was
supposedly going to be the big salvation in almost like
the gold Boom for Tomma and and but yeah, they've
never found him in sufficient quality. But the Cook Islands
at Prison has engaged in quite an intensive search for them.
So they haven't given up on the dream of Manganese,

(01:16:19):
not Josh yet.

Speaker 4 (01:16:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
Well they're always up for something, aren't they. Yeah, yeah,
Noel Marcus, welcome you mate.

Speaker 17 (01:16:28):
But you mentioned Jack the Ripper. There's a couple of books. Well,
there's a book called The Devil in the White City
and it was about the mass murderer in Chicago at
the time of the Will Fear. They bought at the
White City and he killed a lot of ladies. He
had a hotel. It's a good book anyway. On TV
not that long ago, there was a choose a grandson

(01:16:51):
or something of them, and he he explained that he
was in London, this man at the time of Jack
the Ripper, same guy and he's a dad man. And yeah,
and then he came back to Chicago, America. They got
him in the end. But yeah, it's it's really worth

(01:17:12):
looking into. I forget the TV show. It's a grandson
or something, and man, it fits exactly with the Jack
the Ripper. It's unbelievable. So I think he was an American.

Speaker 2 (01:17:28):
Here's a new story about I don't know what the
new evidence is.

Speaker 4 (01:17:31):
This is not evidence.

Speaker 17 (01:17:32):
This is the guy who believes his grandfather wants the
man because he was the guy in Chicago who called
all those girls. Okay, he was in London at the
same time as Jack.

Speaker 2 (01:17:45):
Look it up the latest sister those information. They've got
a guy computer generated image. It says a decade on
they can now reveal further astonishing evidence as to how
the guys are known. Ties to the highly secret of
Freemasons motivated his killings, and the Freemasons shield him from
the law.

Speaker 17 (01:18:07):
No, I think you'll find that this guy went back
to America. Get hold of the TVO and read that
the Devil in the White City.

Speaker 2 (01:18:16):
But about every two years is a new version of
the Jack that represent there always changes? Am I right
about that?

Speaker 17 (01:18:22):
Yes you are. But this guy had a good TV
show about one of those documentaries and honestly it sits perfectly.
But I'm not convinced. But it's worth checking out.

Speaker 11 (01:18:32):
What's the called Devil in the White City?

Speaker 2 (01:18:34):
Devil in the White City? Ould thanks for that seventeen
past ten. Marcus Goodeving, Marcus always interesting Privy for that
is frustrated listening to one corner particular saying the captain
of the naval ship should have known the location of
the reef. None of us know the cause at the stage,
so besed at the stage to refrain from expressing our
thoughts and leave it up to the court of inquiry. Ray,

(01:18:55):
why don't then circle the ship with the foam sausage
to contain all of it? Ruptures happens Saturday and crusher
Colin say she doesn't know how deep the water is really, Marcus,
I'm curious as to why a seventy five soldier man
naval ship is exploring reefs and mapping of Samoa. I
would have thought that work would be done by boats

(01:19:17):
and people like Jacques Cousteau. We were there in Samoa's
territory of waters mapping their coastline. Did we have the
permission in the first place? It's devastating for the waters
and their food supply. The needs to cost this needs
to cost our country dearly for their SMO and economic economy.
I don't expect those risker of a calculator there is
no way to make this right now. It's sad for everyone.

(01:19:39):
I think we're lucky the Hercules rescuing them didn't break
down one positive I guess good point. Marcus put a
shout out to see what Lovely Lowest thinks of the
all black team named Today, the NRAL have developed a
product that continues to deliver due to the fact that
they annually adapt the evolution of evolving sports and learn
off the likes of American NFL. More importantly, the NRL

(01:20:03):
is so damn attracted to watch because Raffia caught of
the place, as are Kiwis, and the sport competes so
heavily with AFL that the Grand Final game day experience
needs to innovate to excel expectations, which it does year
after year. It's just becoming a laughing, embarrassing joke that
ends z can't learn quick or off the NRAL. It's

(01:20:26):
going to be quite some without up the Wars twenty
twenty five in Vegas. I just think New Zealand's too
many conservative board members refusing to change the game, bought
bad decisions and no passion. No one wants it anymore.
People aren't even talking about the shield going from Nelson

(01:20:46):
to Tara Neki. No one cares how many were there
on Sunday for the match. But we've got we haven't
got a local competition in rugby that people are passionate about.
We did have it, but they killed it, and I think,
but before long we've got to get NPC games, televis.

(01:21:07):
No one cares about Super Rugby. We saw that with
the attendances. No one really cares about text rugby. Now
at Test Rugby. Now we hear the France are sitting
down underpowered teams. So it's bad. I'm afraid. And the
era NRL goes from strength to strength because it's competitive

(01:21:29):
and it's close, and it's covered in a compelling way.
It's inclusive. I think the Women's NRL is going really well. Also,
I didn't watch the match. I feel a bit silly
saying that because we were doing something else. I can't
remember what it was, but thought, oh, hang, I want

(01:21:50):
to watch that. But I think the kids were playing
some video game or something. It was their birthday, so
we let them do that. Anyway, your comments, please, Marcus.
I can remember the Devil and the White is a
really good and the White is a really good read.
The blue plaque for Patricia Cornwell's Chief Suspect features in
Rob's London YouTube video Thank you, Marcus. The guy he

(01:22:15):
is talking about is H. H. Holmes and the documentary
is called American Ripper. Marcus. Remember Rugby also governed by
World Rugby INDEDR work their backsides off year after you
try to reform the game. Those old farts won't change
a bloody thing. Well, the NDEDR. You haven't done a
very good job with it, have they if you look
at the end product. They have to claim some responsibility

(01:22:41):
for what's happened locally. But you know, I'll be concidering
about this in thirty years time there have been no
game left dB. Marcus, welcome, and.

Speaker 5 (01:22:52):
Aren't valliant for a grilling to find out what happened?

Speaker 2 (01:22:57):
Yes, although I imagine they'll have lawyers, they'll have military
lawyers and things. Well, I don't know. I imagine it's
taken quite seriously.

Speaker 5 (01:23:07):
Just a one of my new ship for you, the
one that's just sunk as the fourth mother to carry
that name. And they were all vibing tenders. Okay, so
the original emrginal one who wasn't the Empire of Boat museum.

Speaker 2 (01:23:26):
Yes, I'm familiar with that.

Speaker 3 (01:23:28):
Yes, yes, she.

Speaker 5 (01:23:30):
Finally rushed down and they scrapped her. I don't know
much about the tech one. The third one they when
the Navy sold she sold it to an They sold
it to an Zelander who's going to use it for
doing a bit of hydrographic around Mu Zealand. Case haven't
heard her since.

Speaker 2 (01:23:51):
So's the fourth one.

Speaker 5 (01:23:54):
Yes, the one that just sunk as the fourth to
carry that name, okay, and the one that was Empire.
I've driven her sister ship. There's there was three in
service in New Zealand. Two for the Navy. The matter
were who in their attacking and that used to hang

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around Indonesian waters for the last until about five years
ago when she was scrapped. And then the last of
Typers and Pickton and I used to drive her around
the place and crash at the walls and scare people.

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
The last is whatt and picked In sorry, last of type.

Speaker 5 (01:24:36):
So there are three of the same class. They are
based on an American tugboat design white to yells okay,
and the last ones is you know we're talking, built
in the early nineteen fifties and the last of type
is still afloat and still a working condition.

Speaker 2 (01:24:55):
And what's it's name, dB.

Speaker 5 (01:24:58):
That's the James O'Brien okay, And what's.

Speaker 2 (01:25:01):
It been used for? Is it privately owned and picked in?

Speaker 5 (01:25:06):
Yeah? It is now. She never went into naval service.

Speaker 9 (01:25:09):
She was the.

Speaker 5 (01:25:11):
Pilot launch and tagboat for Gray No now Westport and
the relief boat for Stuart Island when their boat was
on survey. The rule nuggative sort of thing.

Speaker 2 (01:25:26):
Yes, and operational still absolutely well.

Speaker 5 (01:25:33):
What I last saw it, it was what's its name again,
James O'Brien. It's claim to fame was that got arrested
up in Auckland for pushing illegally and claiming mary fishing rights. Okay,
and then it got sold to a dude and pact
and then assault to a friend of mine, impacted and

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sold on again.

Speaker 2 (01:25:57):
I'm just having to look at an image of it, Psycho,
actual you visualize it. Oh yeah, Oh, that's not the
same size as that's the same size as one of
the predeceases. Obviously, that's what you're saying. Yes, yep, I
can understand you.

Speaker 5 (01:26:14):
Only total thing seventy two feet the original mini ye,
they got bigger and biggerer.

Speaker 2 (01:26:21):
Bigger and biggerer. It was surprising to wake up on
sale to see that one of our very own ships
had gone under.

Speaker 20 (01:26:30):
Yeah, but I can.

Speaker 5 (01:26:32):
Almost visualize how it could happen if, like I've read
a couple of the articles, and I don't I'm not
speculating too much. But they say it lost power, and
that's a gnarly piece of water. And if they're out
surveying looking for rocks, they might not know the reef
is there and only requires a bit of a lift,

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pick it up and drop it on a on a rock, pinknickle,
and that's that's a really bad day for you, I
really feel for Yeah, that's the end of the master's
career in the navy. That's a death sentence.

Speaker 2 (01:27:11):
Why would have why wouldn't have caught fire?

Speaker 5 (01:27:16):
I would have to reach into the realms of speculation.
But if it's punched through, punched a hole in her
stay in the end room, and yeah, that's that's a
lot of heaters generated when you when you rip steal apart. Yes,
that would be a idea. Apart from that, I don't

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really know. But she lifted a long way, so she's
got a big hold of her, but she had enough
time to get the crew off.

Speaker 2 (01:27:49):
I wonder if it's worth bringing the ship up. I
suppose you have to. I suppose that's curitious to bring
up when there's oil on board, not leaving it there
as kind of an existing wreck.

Speaker 5 (01:27:59):
Well they can they can punt the oil out of
her underwater, so mitigate as best as possible. But if
if she's slipped into deep water. Yeah, of course, the
salvages would end up costing many more times the vessel's
original cost. But both you've got to go and do it.

(01:28:22):
If the sam owned government says remove it, then move it.
I guess we'll have to.

Speaker 2 (01:28:28):
Yes, yeah, if you if you're doing underneath with welding
gear and stuff like that, that's pricey too. I remember
that with Arena, what they were doing that didn't come cheap.
But I guess it'll be in a lot more water
for that.

Speaker 5 (01:28:41):
Yeah, Reena, of course, hugely different boat. It was at
least above the water line. Yes, you know, salvaging went
from under the water.

Speaker 4 (01:28:52):
Yeah, that's that's a dee.

Speaker 2 (01:28:55):
What was the crown the seventy five on the mirror,
that's what it was.

Speaker 3 (01:28:58):
On the man.

Speaker 5 (01:28:59):
Yes, yes, well it's quite a large vessel, quite well
found on the looks of it. I had paid much
attention to her.

Speaker 2 (01:29:07):
I do wonder what they all do on a surveying ship.

Speaker 5 (01:29:12):
Well, she was also a dive tender and a few
she was a multitask vessel, so a lot of the
crew and a wonderful way to train crew for the
larger boats as well. Time yep, But certainly hydrographic surveys

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these days are labor intensive to drive the computers.

Speaker 2 (01:29:42):
Tell me more about that.

Speaker 5 (01:29:42):
What do you mean, Well, we have three D bottom
mapping sonar now, and so you'd have a quiet room
absolutely full of computers and they can produce three D
images of the bottom, absolutely stunning stuff. You can buy
them even as a plotware and sonars even as a

(01:30:05):
private person. Hugely expensive, but you know, good stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:30:10):
That's why I wonder what the seventy five staff do,
because I'm assume a lot, a lot of it. It's
all happening like that. It's all technical with computers and
stuff like that.

Speaker 5 (01:30:19):
Yeah, I would imagine half of them would be technical.
But it's still a big vessel. And the Navy liked
to man their vessels. Well, even though it's what was
an eighty five foot mower, class had a standing compliment
of ten Yes, and I had a vessel the same
links and I had a standing compliment of me.

Speaker 2 (01:30:39):
How did that work out for you?

Speaker 5 (01:30:42):
Worked really well?

Speaker 16 (01:30:43):
Where you go?

Speaker 5 (01:30:45):
I mean I used to take it to see and
bring it back again on my own. It was just technique.
I'd like to have a crew of two, but any
more than that, they just stand on top of each other.
But the Navy they had they have different rules.

Speaker 2 (01:31:05):
Yeah, I'm sure a lot of people wouldn't even realize
what our Navy's spent. I mean, no, I think we Well,
I guess TV's gone now. Always would have been good
to get a documentary done about on New Zealand defense
forces and what their actual jobs and what they do
spend their time doing, because imagine most people really have
no idea, including myself.

Speaker 5 (01:31:25):
Well, you could easily eat up ten people in the
engine rooms, ten people on deck, ten people an officer area.
There's thirty people for a spot. Then you've got your
are you cooks before you even get down to the

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hydrographic boys, you know, swimming their leads and singing chanty
so yeah, these seventy five were both dead size, not unreasonable.

Speaker 2 (01:32:00):
Nice to hear Froy with dB. Thank you so much,
I said Christopher lux And our leader has gone to Dunedin.
He says he loves this place. Well, goodness me, would
you believe that. I don't know what people mean by
saying I love this place, this Sunds I talk so cheap,

(01:32:25):
But there you go. I presume he's gone down there
because the floods. I'm not quature it was scheduled or not.
That's what he has done. A whole lot of the
old project's got unveiled last night. They're going to fast
track through sea bed mining, corimand or mining things like that.
Not much money you get as a the government gets
as a percentage for golding. It's two and a half

(01:32:47):
percent the country. I don't get rich. Or I suppose
these jobs and his machinery. Oh yeah, I did they want.
The one thing that I thought.

Speaker 5 (01:32:57):
Kind of.

Speaker 2 (01:33:00):
Stuck in my craw a bit.

Speaker 8 (01:33:03):
Is that.

Speaker 2 (01:33:06):
Chris Luckson said christ Christopher Luxe. And Chris Luxon said
that the whole situation and everyone coped very well with
the emergency, and everyone went to the resources were there
and everything. I still feel of remindful that call we
had on Friday night for that eighty five year old.

(01:33:26):
They had to drive off and get himself a whole
ot of sandbags, And I'm thinking of sandbaging is going
to become a more regular thing. There needs to be
people to help out the elder and people are that
for sandbagging, particularly in South and Eedland sort of. People
in their eighties can't be expected to fill up sandbags
and reinforce their house. There needs to be a service
provided for that. So I was surprised about that. Anyway,

(01:33:47):
that's it for me. Fourteen past nine here till midnight,
as I say, oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
nine to nine two to text. I see they've got
wild wallabies in the UK as well. The daily mails
full of wallabye sightings down in Way, all discovered from

(01:34:08):
all escape from farms. I presume. Yeah, Tony, it's Marcus.
Welcome and good evening. Hi Tony, Hello Marcus.

Speaker 13 (01:34:16):
Hey, I just wanted just just listening to you talk
about talk about what you want to talk about tonight,
and that nobody sounded like they were calling, So I'm
just on my way home from a memorial service for
the people who died on October the seventh, and I
just wanted to say, look, it was just a very
moving service.

Speaker 18 (01:34:37):
It was.

Speaker 13 (01:34:38):
There was a huge amount of sadness, but also sadness
that diplomacy hasn't worked, that it's come to a war,
and that there's no joy in somebody.

Speaker 2 (01:34:49):
So what what what's October seven?

Speaker 9 (01:34:52):
You do it?

Speaker 2 (01:34:53):
Last last year in Israel?

Speaker 5 (01:34:55):
Is that right?

Speaker 13 (01:34:56):
That's correct?

Speaker 5 (01:34:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (01:34:57):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:34:57):
Where was? Where was? Tell me where the memorial was, Tony?

Speaker 13 (01:35:01):
I was in christ Churches held held in the church
in Christ Church, Ratland Street Church, I think.

Speaker 18 (01:35:08):
It was called.

Speaker 2 (01:35:10):
So who had organized that?

Speaker 13 (01:35:14):
The New Zealand Friends of Israel Association, in conjunction with
various members of the local synagogue.

Speaker 2 (01:35:20):
And how was the attendance there, Tony? How many would
have been there?

Speaker 13 (01:35:24):
There was about one hundred and fifty one hundred and
sixty there.

Speaker 2 (01:35:27):
It was in a church, not a synagogue, Is that right?

Speaker 4 (01:35:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:35:31):
That synagogue.

Speaker 13 (01:35:33):
Well, they were very concerned about security, so they've already
had rocks thrown through their windows and things, so they
were a bit nervous about having it there.

Speaker 2 (01:35:42):
Okay, appreciate you called Tony, thank you for that. Trevitt's Marcus, welcome,
good evening.

Speaker 3 (01:35:48):
Oh how were you, Marcus, my friend? I call you often. Oh,
well often enough.

Speaker 5 (01:35:55):
I don't like to plague the airway.

Speaker 2 (01:35:57):
No, exactly. Often enough is about perfect for me.

Speaker 3 (01:36:01):
Oh, thank you so much. You're a delightful character. We're
just mentioning our Prime minister and how he loves dandin.

Speaker 2 (01:36:11):
Yes, what a crock of well, just as management speak,
I love this place. And firstly, it's not a promise's
job to go around and saying watch places he loves
because it sounds it sounds, it sounds facile and callow you.

Speaker 3 (01:36:28):
Know it'ly don't love him down here. We protested a
couple of weeks ago about our proposed new hospital build,
which was going to be the main hospital for the
South Island. Now he's talking about cutting the budget by
one point one billion. If that happens, he's got these

(01:36:53):
out Parliament gates on a set of black wings.

Speaker 2 (01:36:57):
He's not really too worried about Dunedin because I mean
it's it's laboring.

Speaker 11 (01:37:01):
You couldn't give a bloody rats.

Speaker 2 (01:37:04):
But just listen, there's no political capital for him in
dneda because the labor voting city, so.

Speaker 3 (01:37:12):
Well, yeah, we'll looks a swing voting but yes, as
the labor stronghold guest apart apart.

Speaker 2 (01:37:19):
From who was the guy that with the woods, would.

Speaker 3 (01:37:28):
I know we're heading?

Speaker 2 (01:37:30):
I feel yeah, he was the last of the Dunedin
National MPs. Yeah Woodhouse, Michael Woodhouse.

Speaker 3 (01:37:40):
Yes, that's correct, Yes, I think so. I think you're
right there, But.

Speaker 2 (01:37:44):
Then I don't know why he went.

Speaker 3 (01:37:47):
Yeah, this hospital is a big calling card for the
South Island and mark my words, he'll be out of parliament.
The whole government will be just bootlegged out of parliament
because people in Doneda. Now we're a very passive society
down here, but we are up in arms.

Speaker 2 (01:38:09):
It seems like the ODT is leading all of that stuff.
Is also which is a fairy conservative paper, but the ODT.

Speaker 3 (01:38:16):
Has very very very conservative I don't like the editor.

Speaker 2 (01:38:20):
The but they really have driven. They have driven a
lot of the protests against the hospital. They all right
behind that, so it's obviously good for them.

Speaker 3 (01:38:29):
Yes, I say power to the people, not power to
the people in powerment. They're leading this in a very
in a very unapproachable manner. At the moment blaming, constantly
blaming former governments for the demise of the country. Hello, Hello,

(01:38:51):
what did national do for the nine years they were
in power for the hospital and health administration throughout New Zealand?

Speaker 2 (01:39:00):
All this current politics is to dovery little, is to
have very little long term planning about everything, about any
thing at all. That's where we're in the trouble that
we are.

Speaker 6 (01:39:09):
Yees, she is, she is?

Speaker 3 (01:39:11):
So I agree one one, you know, changing from one
government to another forever training policies. No, this is wrong.

Speaker 8 (01:39:22):
We're right, you know this.

Speaker 3 (01:39:24):
Why can we not just move forward in unity?

Speaker 2 (01:39:28):
Nice to hear from you, Trevor. Thank you for that. Marcus,
what did escape Room in Queens said last week? With
my greendorw surprise? How much it was fun? Managed to
escape with seconds to spare? I think everyone probably manages
to escape with seconds to spare. But that's part of
the charm, isn't it. Get just enough help? I'm sure
everyone gets just enough help. Joe AT's Marcus welcome. Good

(01:39:50):
evening by Marcus. How are you good? Thank you? How
you go?

Speaker 14 (01:39:57):
I'm really interested in your flight radar.

Speaker 2 (01:40:02):
God so am i.

Speaker 14 (01:40:05):
I'm honored as well. Can you tell me what the
plane is or why it's come from Australia over from Sydney,
over Australia and now it's heading north I mean over
christ Church. I should say it's come from Sydney to
christ Church. That was the flight plan. It went over

(01:40:26):
christ Church and now it's way north above its new Plymouth.

Speaker 2 (01:40:30):
Really yeah, I haven't got the flight radar on my producer,
has Dan? Can you see that flight?

Speaker 5 (01:40:37):
Dan?

Speaker 2 (01:40:39):
Has he got a number? Has he got any numbers
on it? Dan?

Speaker 18 (01:40:42):
Hang on?

Speaker 3 (01:40:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (01:40:43):
In zeid a in z to to zero?

Speaker 2 (01:40:51):
What are numbers again?

Speaker 14 (01:40:53):
In zen to to zero? And it's just out off.

Speaker 2 (01:41:01):
It's a flight. It's a flight to christ Church. Yeah,
it was supposed to arrive at ten fifty five. It
says it's on time.

Speaker 14 (01:41:15):
Yeah, it doesn't. It doesn't give an arrival time here
now it just said departed Sydney at three ten, three hours,
ten minutes ago.

Speaker 2 (01:41:24):
Are you in christ Church, Joe.

Speaker 14 (01:41:27):
No, I'm not in christ Church. But I just love
flight radar.

Speaker 2 (01:41:31):
I presume it's probably heavy fog.

Speaker 14 (01:41:34):
I don't know. Well, the parcel plane landed all right.

Speaker 2 (01:41:39):
Yeah, but they're not they're right. They don't care about
how much you are and how much Julia was the
parcel plane?

Speaker 5 (01:41:49):
How much was how much.

Speaker 14 (01:41:50):
Julia was that probably about twenty minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:41:55):
Okay, who told us it was fine? Who's done?

Speaker 20 (01:42:01):
Been?

Speaker 14 (01:42:02):
Could have been? I've spent I've spent my evenings all
around the world.

Speaker 2 (01:42:07):
A caller rang up called Donald, wh I presumes from
christ said, it's heavy fog. Okay, all right, but I'll Joe,
I'll get confirmation for that. But I'm loving you on
your flight radar.

Speaker 14 (01:42:20):
Oh, I just love it. I absolutely love it. I
spend a lot of time over America watching for helicopters,
mainly see what you're doing. Like there's one at the moment.
There's a Northern rescue going from Long Arrays and it's
heading north. They'll be going to pick somebody up, I imagine.

(01:42:44):
Sometimes I stay on and watch them land at the
hospital to see what hospital they're going to.

Speaker 2 (01:42:50):
Yah, sure, I love it.

Speaker 14 (01:42:53):
I absolutely love it.

Speaker 2 (01:42:55):
Sounds fantastic.

Speaker 14 (01:42:57):
My husband will tell you, I'll spend all night just on.

Speaker 5 (01:42:59):
Slight radar brilliant, Okay, watching.

Speaker 14 (01:43:03):
Where things are going. And yeah, I've just come to
bed now. And he told me that you're on slight radio,
you see, and and he said to me, you should
find out what what pe plane's doing. But if it's yes,
it's fog. That makes sense, doesn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:43:17):
I'll find some more information. Does Do you follow the
shipping ones as well?

Speaker 3 (01:43:23):
Oh?

Speaker 16 (01:43:24):
The husband's got that on, but I haven't not asicknership.

Speaker 14 (01:43:31):
The Willington Westpact chopper has just left Wellington heading towards Victim. Okay, Oh,
but the other night it was funny when the Poisonden
posit and left a hate eart. I've get it up
as flying out over the west coast. Yes, and it

(01:43:53):
was heading out towards Australia, hadn't gone far. And then
I looked again a bit later on and it had
changed direction and it was on its way to Samoa.

Speaker 2 (01:44:04):
Okay, oh are you there well with that? Will you
be mind give us any updates to be got any?

Speaker 4 (01:44:09):
Joe?

Speaker 2 (01:44:09):
Thank you. I appreciate it that it's good to know
that you're monitoring that for us. Dan, what's happened with
the flights? A couple of christ which beween the verticals
of file, But one of the hercules is in at
Fanupa yet we'll learn about five minutes the other ones
turned around and coming up maybe this Fog and o
hockey too. Fah's got any more updates, so he wants

(01:44:33):
to talk about anything else at all, but including the NRL.
That was amazing that match well, and why have we
got such a dud with rugby with the coverage? Why
can't we have a competition that goes along as exciting
as that with a Grand Final that the whole country
stops for. When I say the country, yeah, okay, certainly

(01:44:54):
Queensland and New South Wales and parts of Melbourne. I
know they don't really love the team, the Melbourne Storm,
but still that is the discussion. Thick fog and christ Church. Marcus.
I'm leaving for work, Marcus. Why are some provincial anniversaries
on Monday, like Wellington Auckland and others like hawks by

(01:45:18):
Nelson on a Friday? I label weekend. I've got no
idea provincial holidays do my headden I think there's no
point to them. It's landed. You got anything to add,
good Manawai If one's a shipping expert. Now, for a

(01:45:42):
while there everyone was an expert in epidemiology and pandemics.
Narrow the experts in maritime navigation. There's been some fairy
lively comments on Facebook posts Keyboard Warriors A tap tap tap,
it's what they're doing. Get in touch, Marcus till twelve

(01:46:05):
you want to be out of it, Marcus. The woman
commentators for the NRL are excellent. They know the game
and are professional. The game itself was exceptional of free,
high quality. I will watch an NRL game over watching
my home team in Rugby every day of the week.
I'm keen to go to an NRL final. Nathan Elaret's Marcus,

(01:46:26):
good evening and welcome. Hi Ela.

Speaker 6 (01:46:29):
Hi.

Speaker 18 (01:46:31):
I've just been out and just come back and heard
about it and checked my fight tracker. And because the
air Force aircraft, I'm just wondering if the second one,
because otherwise the terminal might have been a bit busy
getting lots in one go. Having been there, done that
myself more than once, I know what it's like. So

(01:46:53):
they may have just done.

Speaker 2 (01:46:55):
Are uix air Force?

Speaker 14 (01:46:58):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:47:00):
The WiFi?

Speaker 2 (01:47:01):
Okay, well, so I don't know about is the air
traffic do they have a I presume it's just the
Air Force. Have there any traffic controllers?

Speaker 8 (01:47:08):
Do they?

Speaker 2 (01:47:08):
Or they don't even bother with that at odd more?

Speaker 18 (01:47:11):
Oh no, No, it's exactly like. You go through everything
the same as I've had a number of situations where
I've been once the only person on the aircraft was
myself in an eighteen month old child. Yes, okay, and
that was the air Force taking me up because I
had been very ill and I was going up to

(01:47:32):
stay with family and veg. Either way, either end, you
still go through all the usual chicken and check out
type things. Okay when you're write, but if you were
getting it. Two aircraft arriving at the same time up
at the air Force at this time of night, it's
I mean, another twenty minutes on an aircraft at least

(01:47:53):
letting the ones that are up in the air Fort
Penilpi get off and get through. Could everybody be wanting
to get home? Yeah, time of no s I heard.
I haven't heard them to come in, which is unusual
because I can hear the aircraft come because we had

(01:48:13):
to live near the air Force base.

Speaker 2 (01:48:15):
Is the wind a different direction tonight?

Speaker 13 (01:48:16):
Maybe I didn't.

Speaker 18 (01:48:19):
No, I didn't think about I didn't think about that
side because there's very little wind out here.

Speaker 2 (01:48:24):
We're about to you because I thought it was quite
strong when today I saw trees down on the heart
as it.

Speaker 9 (01:48:29):
Well, you have no.

Speaker 18 (01:48:30):
Idea what it was like here this morning. And in fact,
the neighbor I was spent most of part of the
day up with a neighbor because a massive, massive, great
big tree on an adjacent piece of land, This great
big tree landed on their house. It's just minutes of

(01:48:51):
seconds away from me. And they have been struggling all
day to try and get someone to come and get
that tree off. In fact, we had the fibrigade there.
They couldn't do anything. It was too dangerous to get
the tree.

Speaker 5 (01:49:05):
Off the house.

Speaker 2 (01:49:06):
What's what's the trailer?

Speaker 18 (01:49:09):
Oh, I don't know, but it was big. But the
difficulty they were having was trying to find who owned
that piece of land just above them, because it's a
vacant piece of land.

Speaker 2 (01:49:23):
And what they suburb.

Speaker 18 (01:49:27):
I'm out, well, I'm out in Massy because we had
to be near the Air Force state absolutely. And but
one other time for me coming back when I went
up one time was only me and the little one
on it when we first got a Boeing, when when
the government first got their first Boeing, and it was

(01:49:49):
only me and the little one on that up to
Thuba up to Andy Wow. But four and a half
months later I was had. I had been very ill,
was after cancer operation and big, big treat I transfers BA.
But on the way way back that was touch and go,

(01:50:09):
and we came back on an aircraft and so I
had We had to get over from Suva to Nandy
to fly back, and the air force were brilliant trying
to get us back. So I finally got it was
touch and go whether we'd get on, me and the
little one, eighty months old, whether we would get back.
We did get back, and we sat on a Hercules

(01:50:31):
that was choc a block inside, and we were sitting
on right up the front near the cockpit of a
Sea one thirty, and it was my knees were twelve
inches away from a helicopter was choc a block full.

(01:50:53):
We'd been on there on the flight coming back home
about half an hour and the little one said he
needed to go to the toilet. So we took me
ages for us to to walk down and all over everything,
and we suddenly came into an open air space and
the toilet is just a ring of metal with a

(01:51:16):
canvas cover, and the little one got in there. But
we got right down to the end where that was,
and here was four airline seats sitting one way, and
opposite was another four with the highest dip the highest
commanders of the air Force space sitting there. And when

(01:51:37):
we came out of the little one being in and
me being in this piece of canvas that was for
the toilet for the little one, they had suddenly pulled
curtains around themselves. But as we walked up, you've never
seen so much brass on the shoulders and day skies
had been on the aircraft all the way from London.

(01:52:02):
They were top air Force people and they were or
coming back down. But my guests would be because I
can't remember how many people were coming off the ship
and that were coming back down. There was quite a lot, wasn't.

Speaker 2 (01:52:19):
There seventy five I think? Or yeah some of those?

Speaker 3 (01:52:21):
Yes?

Speaker 8 (01:52:21):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (01:52:21):
Is that all?

Speaker 18 (01:52:22):
Oh? I thought it was maybe more like seventy odd.
But and if it was that, you just wouldn't want
to be through the Air Force days at that time.

Speaker 2 (01:52:32):
Okay, I'll ove there, ele Butt. Thank you so much.
Good to hear the winds died down, But thank you.
Tell Joe that just called the chopper flies from funerliated
North flies at the top of my lifestyle block and
p P Touro. They think they must go to Kitty
Killy or Kataia. Marcus Michael Woodhouse was shouted by Luxan
by not selecting him to represent his need and constituency

(01:52:53):
before last year's election. What a slap in the face
and I wonder text and Lexan doesn't want a capital
gains text he will not appear on Q and after
me requests to do so. Charlie, all the hospitals topic
with management. They waste a lot of money. Enjoy your Tuesday,

(01:53:14):
It's just moments away.

Speaker 1 (01:53:18):
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