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January 30, 2025 • 14 mins

While talking about the tragic plane and helicopter crash in the United States, Paul phoned to tell his story of being a passenger onboard United Flight 811, which experienced a cargo-door failure just after takeoff.

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
You're listening to the Marcus lush Night's podcast from News
Talks at b Paul, it's Marcus.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Good evening.

Speaker 3 (00:15):
Oh good on MICUs. How are you good?

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Thank you, Paul.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
We're good. Just talking about a disasters. I was on
an air disaster in nineteen eighty nine just out of
Honolulu who blew a four hundred square foot hole on
the side of the plane and sucked out nine people.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
So I was three three rows back from the hole,
but fortunately I was on the other side of the plane,
so there's a ga entry between me and the hole.
But to date, I think that plane is still actually flying.
I think it was fixed up and actually put into
service as a as an air freighter.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
So this was what was the type of the type
of plane.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
Say, United Airlines seven four seven in nineteen eighty nine,
United flight eight around eight one one. It's been on
one of those documentaries May Day May Day documentaries quite
a few times now. It was a flight number a
United flight eight one one.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
So you came up and the door blew off in
a hole was ripped out the side of it and they
managed to reland at Hawaii. Am I right?

Speaker 3 (01:21):
Yes, Yes, there's correct We're at twenty three thousand feet
and the oxygen masks came down, but unfortunately it was
one of the oldest planes in the United's fleet and
the oxygen was actually sucked out in the explosion. So
the pilot took us down to ten thousand feet in
a well. We had no option. We only had two
engines and we were fully ladened for a ten hour

(01:44):
flight back to New Zealand. And I think today it
was still the heaviest seven four seven to ever Land.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Were you in business class?

Speaker 3 (01:54):
No? I wish. I was only eighteen. No, I was
road twenty one. So I was just basically the gantree
was between me and business class.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
And what's the world gantry mean again? Oh?

Speaker 3 (02:06):
You know where they put all the you know, the
service gentry where they have all the.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
Yeah, yeah, I think that might be called the gally.
Is that right?

Speaker 3 (02:15):
They sorry, yeah, yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
And there was and there was a there was a
victim's father who campaigned for a long long time for
calls and it was to do with something with the door,
wasn't it.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
Yes, yes, So one of the passengers that was actually
sucked out, his name was Lee Campbell, who was New
Zealander from Wellington and his father just happened to be
an engineer by trade. Uh and he actually he actually
ended up going over there. And if you ever watched
the made a documentary it's on there and a lot

(02:49):
of it explains about he actually proved the Boeing in
United Engineers all wrong about how how the lucky mechanism worked?
What started it? Or was it a pan am flight
going out of JFK the door popped open to the
secondary latch on takeoff and that made the FAA issue

(03:11):
a two year warning that they had to fix all
the strength and all the carget doors and all the
seven four sevenths And this was the oldest plane in
the United's fleet and of that two years, there was
only six months remaining. And unfortunately, yeah, at the door
door came off worse. And a lot of passengers too.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
Had you been on holiday? Where had you been pulled?

Speaker 3 (03:36):
I've been over I've been over to England on my oe.
So I was actually returning home from my oe and
I it was about my fourth leg. So at that
stage I'd been away nearly forty hours and we were
we were taking we were taking off out of Hallulu
at one am in the morning and it was a
big thunderstorm and yeah, just huge explosion. The lady next

(03:58):
to me had their earrings actually sucked right off for rears,
tory ear loads in half. I've got pictures of those
little plastic cups embedded in the ceiling. Yeah, pretty amazing.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
And when you, if memory is right, when you got
to Honolulu, you went that will treated Is that right?

Speaker 3 (04:17):
No, we went because it was not long after the
lock of the Heir disaster, So of course what happened
is that the initial thought was that there was an
explosion and that it was actually a bomb. So we
were all actually held by not a gunpoint, but we
were held in a pre departure lounge under security until
all of us were interviewed by the FBI separately about

(04:40):
what we thought it was and what we heard and
what have you.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
But yeah, and how long time? How long un till
you flew back to New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
Well, I had no choice, been stuck on an island
in the middle of the Pacific that I think two
days later I flew back. Fortunately the upgraded me to
business class the one.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
And I know of people Paul that that really affected
them that they you know, it's changed their life. Was
that what it was like for you?

Speaker 3 (05:15):
Yes? I guess it really was initially because I was
actually training to be an airline pilot, so it obviously
put me off off that and it put my life
in limbo for a couple of years, just sort of
because I ended up going into litigation with going and
United for a couple of years. But I mean, look,
at the end of the day, it's still the safest

(05:37):
way to travel. And just if you see pictures of
that plane, it is a true testament to the strength
of these planes. I mean, to have a four hundred
square foot hole in the side of it and to
be able to land reasonably safely us a true testament
has strong they are Did you.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
Have you talked to any of those people that had died?
Were they people that you hadn't met on that flight?

Speaker 3 (05:57):
We all no, and I haven't so.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
And did you can? I did you get settlement or
is that do you not want to answer that?

Speaker 3 (06:04):
Yes? I did. I mean it wasn't okay changing amount,
but yeah, it.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
Should have been a life changing amount too, because because
the person who died with his father, that was what
was at life changing amount because the guy has dyed,
so that's a bit of a silly thing to say.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
But yeah, well, I mean, yeah, they did get quite
a large amount. I mean, you know, when you talk
about American settlements, mine wasn't anywhere near that. But I
know they've got a very big sediment obviously because you know,
they lost their son and everything. So but no, certainly, certainly,
and it certainly opened eyes to how, you know, how

(06:41):
quickly things can go wrong, that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
How long from the explosion till you landed.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
It felt like forever, but it was actually about twenty
three minutes. The pilot couldn't maintain level flight even with
two engines going full war, so we were sort of
in a controlled full and then when we did land,
we did land hot really fast because he was scared
that he was going to lose control of the plane

(07:09):
because we had no we had very limited flats, and
when we landed, we obviously he couldn't use reverse thrust,
so we landed, from what I understand, probably fifty fifty
percent faster than what he normally would and he just
jammed on the brakes on the wheels, and I think
he used half the runway available to him.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
Have you met him? Have you? Have you met him? No?

Speaker 3 (07:34):
I really wanted to, and I think because I think
there was only a couple of flights away from retirement,
but a true testament to his skill. I mean, he's
an ex Vietnam fight pilot, and he basically said, as
soon as it happened, he threw the rule book out
the window and just they just flew by fuel. Fantastic, fantastical.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
It's a fantastic story. I only ask that I have
spoken on the show and to passengers that survived the plane.
I think it was a pretty waste that went through
the volcano often ye Asia and went into the and
and they get together, I think, I think they get together,
But but that was one where they all survived and

(08:15):
it didn't have the tragedy of your of your one.

Speaker 3 (08:18):
Yeah, do you get together then?

Speaker 2 (08:20):
Do you get together with any of the survivors.

Speaker 3 (08:22):
Yes, I've I've stayed in contact with with with with
three other survivors, and no, we we probably get together
once every couple of years and just just sort of
catch up and touch base. So so there has has
been a few good things come out of it.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
But did you did you did you have post traumatic
stressed as all.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
Well, yes, yes I did. Yeah, it's sort of. Yeah,
it did hit me quite hard for a little bit.
But to be honest, the litigation was probably more traumatic
than the actual disaster itself. The lawyers really do what
didn't they just pay?

Speaker 2 (08:58):
What did they? How many? How many survived? Like two hundred?

Speaker 3 (09:02):
Yes, yes, but not not everyone went. Not everyone went
through the process of litigation, And I think some did,
and then some chose to try, you know, try try
to fight a little bit harder for what they thought
was right. And when you do do that, then they
do try and rip you to shreds and and you

(09:23):
pull the.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
Right right the right thing would have been just because
I think they would have they been insured for something
like that. You'd imagine, wouldn't.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
They You think you'd be a certain amount. Yeah, But
the problem is because they were proven liable in so
many counts, whether or not that negatest the insurance, I'm
not one hundred percent, to be honest.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
And they're still a thing. United air Lines. They haven't
gone bankrupt, you'd have they? They still a thing?

Speaker 3 (09:47):
No? No, no, Well pen m did obviously Lockerbie that
crippled pan Am, but no United United to pull through.
But back in the eighties there were probably about three
or four rather large disasters one after the other with United,
so they had quite a bad run there for a while.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
Did you keep any memorabilia.

Speaker 3 (10:08):
Paul, I think I've still got a blanket that I
had and the you know, the life vest from underneath,
and don't do what they say on the things. Don't
inflated before you go out of the plane, because a.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
Lot of did you go down the slide?

Speaker 3 (10:28):
Yes, yes, we all went down the slide, and you'll
be surprised a number of people that went down the
slide with the duty free bottles.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
I can't believe the FBI. I can't believe that happened.
They did. They give you a drink, seas and stuff
when you've got to I suppose you just all drink
each other's Judy Free, did you?

Speaker 3 (10:44):
Yeah? I mean they you know, they gave some some
water and everything, but a lot of people were drinking
the juty free and they can't go into that rather late,
and I think a lot of people that consumed a
lot of the duty free straight because they did go
over the over the p a system and ask for
judy free to be handed in.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
Did people drink the judy free before the plane landed?

Speaker 3 (11:07):
No, no, no, you couldn't. I mean, I mean, when
the excuse me, when theed it asked to happen, I didn't. Actually,
I knew a little bit about planes, and I'm not
comfortable in the water, so I didn't want to go
down in the water. My main fear was going down
on the water. Like I said, it was a thunderstorm,
so I didn't feel the plane turning around. So when
I was sitting next to the seat, So when I

(11:29):
did actually see the lights of Hollo Lulu, I was
so ecstatic. I didn't care about crashing into the ground.
All I thought was I just want to be on
I just want to be on the ground, not in
the water.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
So and were feeling we're feeling sucked towards the whole.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
After then, the initial explosion sucked out all the panels
around me and a lot of the ceiling off. But
after the initial decompression, it was just like you see
on the movies. It was just really windy, windy and noisy.
But surprisingly looking around the cabin there was as as sounds,

(12:06):
there was an air of calmness, and it's like people
were just sort of sitting waiting.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
How are the how are the happened? How are the
flight attendants? Because that's really their time to not shine,
but that's that's that's really what they're there for. Were
they good?

Speaker 3 (12:23):
I to be honest, I can't remember a lot. I
know the the flight attendants that we were near where
I was were more concerned because I think there was
a lady just in front of me, a stewardess that
was trapped under some or in that immediate forcinity because
that's where the seats were sucked out, so there was

(12:44):
a lot of damage there and trapped there.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
And that's one of the planes. That's one of the
planes where there was two stories that it's got the
pot up the top.

Speaker 3 (12:51):
Of two yeah yeah, yeah yeah seven for seven. And
also the I think we're the fastest evacuated, like they
they had that entire plane evacuated and under sixty seconds,
and I mean you're talking wow something passengers with.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
How many how many slow?

Speaker 3 (13:06):
It's three I think there's six in total, there's three
each side.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
And just saying go go go, yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
Yeah, pretty much we were out of there, even with
some people grabbing Judy three, we were out of that
plane and under sixty second. I didn't actually I knew
there was a decompression. I didn't know quite how bad
because I got off on the left hand side of
the plane, the opposite side to the hole. And it
wasn't until seven hours later that I saw in the
Honolulu Stay and they were handing out the newspapers even

(13:37):
though the plane was sitting directly outside where we were.
Obviously we're on the good side of the plane. It
wasn't until we got the newspaper about seven hours later
that racually saw how big the hole was.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
Wow. Hey, Paul, very generous, very generous of you to
tell I'm going to go for headlines, but very generous
to tell us a problem to tell. Yeah, that's an
unbelievable story, Paul, And thank you so very much for that.

Speaker 3 (13:59):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
You go Google up a shot of it because it's
it's an iconic shot of It's an aircraft with mess
of whole ripped out the side of it. What an
unbelievable story, unbelievable story.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
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