Artificial Bigotry (17 July 2025)

Marcus talks about the Niagra River, Alexa devices, tattoos, and taking the train on Sundays.

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
You're listening to the Marcus Lush Nights podcast from News Talks.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
I'd be.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
Quick question that's got messed up today. Does the Niagara
River that goes over the Niagara Falls does that flow
north or south? I don't know why I'm obsessed with
that today, but that's what I'm looking at. Anyway. Niagara Falls,
I've been to them. I don't have a huge amount of
recall of it. I was always obsessed about the Niagara
Falls because as a child at primary school would what

(00:35):
was it called sr A. There'd be hard cards with
stories on and you'd answer questions about them at the
end of it. They are always stories about people going
over the Niagara Falls and a barrel always kind of
captivating me that anyway, SRA there was always stories like
that or people that have fallen out of planes. And
Zava was quite good fun, actually quite good reading. It

(00:55):
must to be the seventies thing. Anyway. I'm not doing
a whole show on Niagara Falls. I'm just curious to
know because I'm looking at a Google Maps, I can't
quite remember it flowing that direction. Anyway, how are you
what's happening? Hitdle twelve. My name is Marcus, good evening.
If you want to say something quick about the Nagara Falls,
I wouldn't mind hearing from you. We went there but
didn't go into the boat that went right up to

(01:16):
the which and I wish I had actually effectually. Yeah, anyway,
I don't know why I'm on the Niagara Falls. There
must have been something I've read about that today. Anyway,
get in touch. My name is Marcus. Welcome HDDLE twelve.
The number is eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Yeah, Peter,
you're in first off? Good, I like a quick start
to a show. What have you got, Peter?

Speaker 4 (01:38):
Falls? Flows North? And I asked Alexa?

Speaker 3 (01:42):
Oh, flows North is Alex. I don't know much about Alex.
That's like the pre AI, isn't it?

Speaker 4 (01:50):
Yes? Yes's been out for about five or six years?

Speaker 3 (01:53):
Did you ask? You ask everything?

Speaker 4 (01:56):
It's bloody good for for us, just like it's like
a computer and oh it is through Google and of
Chris been sit and peered. Saves me putting the computer on,
typing it in what I want to know and I'll
get that question to you. So good? Isn't it Flows North?

Speaker 5 (02:16):
Well?

Speaker 4 (02:17):
I like it? It's good for when i'm cooking stuff
like timing and what have you.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
What would you say how long to boil potatoes for
meshed potatoes or something.

Speaker 4 (02:26):
Well, when I'm cooking a steak, I just say ALEXA,
timer on four minutes and then four minutes is up.
It goes, tells you, and then you flip it and
tell it ALEXA, time are on four minutes.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
It would be good if actually cooked your steak. Yeah,
I've never I've the Alexa thing has passed me by.

Speaker 4 (02:52):
It's it's good for people who want to be reminded
of things. Even say ALEXA, remind me such and such
at ten thirty am, and it'll tell you.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
Do you use it as an alarm clock as well?

Speaker 4 (03:10):
You can do yes, yes, And you can also if
you want to know something like, for example, name the
country or countries that the Red Sea is an It'll
tell you. It's very very good. Sage me putting the
jolly computer on, Marcus.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
How many days? How many times a day would you
use it?

Speaker 4 (03:37):
Well, four or five, perhaps ten at the most.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
And you're not someone whose memory is going when the
need to be reminded of stuff? Are you no chick?
Just chicking on?

Speaker 6 (03:48):
You?

Speaker 3 (03:50):
Imagine would be good for those people like when I
leave my phone, I wouldn't hasn't got eyes? Has it?

Speaker 4 (03:55):
No? Well not as far as I'm wearing, is it?
You put your phone down? I know somebody who came
around here and they left their phone here, and then
their daughter rang me and I said, we don't ring me,
or said you ring your phone? I'm pretty sure, and
she did and the phone was right beside me.

Speaker 5 (04:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
I think that's a bad thing about phones. We spend
half our time looking for them.

Speaker 4 (04:18):
That is correct.

Speaker 3 (04:19):
But you haven't got one. Otherwise you'd have you'd be
asking your cell phone with which river, which way the
river flowed?

Speaker 5 (04:25):
Right.

Speaker 4 (04:27):
I've got an iPhone that talks to me and yep,
and it does. Everythink the iPhone is very very good,
and but the Alexa, I personally quite like the Alexa.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
You're probably going to give you tick. Correspondent.

Speaker 4 (04:47):
I don't know about that.

Speaker 3 (04:48):
Who persuaded you to get Who persware you to get
an Alexa?

Speaker 4 (04:53):
The the technical technical person at the blind low version
did it?

Speaker 3 (04:59):
Oh, I didn't know you're blind. Did you say that?

Speaker 4 (05:02):
Yes, yep, I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
I missed that, But that makes it quite different.

Speaker 4 (05:07):
Peter.

Speaker 3 (05:07):
I'm sorry, I apologize for everything.

Speaker 4 (05:09):
No, no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
I'm sure it's I'm sure it's crucial.

Speaker 4 (05:14):
Oh it's you know, for anybody who will most most
people don't know who signing peer. Not all have it,
recommend it. But I use it for what I want
to use it for. A lot of people use it
for a phone, where whereas I wouldn't. It's not very
good reception over the phone.

Speaker 3 (05:32):
So why would it because they can't look up the number.
They could just say phones such and such.

Speaker 7 (05:37):
Is that right?

Speaker 4 (05:38):
I'm not sure on the phone side because I didn't
want to learn it fare enough. Just I just use
it for general knowledge if I want to know something,
and it's.

Speaker 8 (05:48):
Good for the weather.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
You brilliant. Okay, it's been a good start, Peter. It's
a strong start. Thinking that's Peter. We're already on about
the Niagara fools end about what do they say? It's
what did you say? It's called Peter an alexa. They
have had a conversation about Alexa before. It feels like
it was about eight years ago, the Alexa, wasn't it
like before? Ai? Yes, No, I'm not. I'm not at

(06:12):
that stage of my life. From nuts for nuts for
tech anyway we might have We might have a discussion
quickly about Alexa and what you use it for. You
might be short of vision, can turn on the fridge,
control music, podcasts, make calls and more. Was just your
voice a third past? I have topics tonight, Marcus. What

(06:38):
about the Nile? Does the nile flow north or south north?
Many people aren't know where. There are two niles, the
White Male and the Blue Nile. The source of the
ones in againd or the other ones in Ethiopia. They
meet in cartoon. Yes, love Alexa tells me break and
us all the news recipes, geography, music and audio books.
I played the Marcus slush nights on it. A friend

(07:00):
has a wife named Alexa. That's a problem for them.
Loving that, Bob Arcus, welcome.

Speaker 9 (07:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (07:08):
I ranging up the other night there and I was
complaining about the price of butter and milk and all
that going up. I see on tonight's news it's gone
up in twelve months, it's gone up seventeen percent.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (07:19):
Now we know that, we know the national government's start
going to start doing something about it.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
So well, well, Bob, Bob, the really disturbing thing is
the Finance Minister Nikola Willis she is going to have
a meeting with Fonterira to talk to them about competition.
The trouble is she.

Speaker 10 (07:34):
Always worked the process immediately.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
The trouble is she always worked at Fonterra, so she
knows exactly what's going on. And she is being cute
to say she's kind of a meeting with them when
she knows full well.

Speaker 10 (07:47):
She's hat a meeting with the picture station. She had
meeting with the supermarkets and what nothing, nothing, just the.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
Way she's having She's the queen of the meeting with
no results.

Speaker 10 (07:56):
Yeah, without without money, wasting it. You know, you hear
they do a study and it cost half a million dollars.

Speaker 5 (08:01):
What for?

Speaker 10 (08:02):
I know the groceries are too dear. They even knows
that do something about it. Yeh see Percy, were that
Marcus seventeen percent? And that was cheese, butter and milk, And.

Speaker 3 (08:13):
I see the mince is up through the roof, beefs
up to the roof.

Speaker 10 (08:17):
But the thing is, we keep complaining, but what can
we do as people? So we should be able to
do something that makes him take notice or else it's
just to waste the time. Even complaining, which I'm doing
myself of course.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
But well, I suppose one of the things, you can
boycott their product. If everyone turns away from it, then
they would change, wouldn't they Or maybe.

Speaker 10 (08:34):
Not because the like you said, more overseas, I suppose, mIRC.

Speaker 3 (08:40):
I suppose it's getting very expensive for the overseas people. Also.

Speaker 10 (08:44):
Yeah, well they were complaining about it in Briting there
the other day about at our meat prices.

Speaker 3 (08:49):
So they place themselves out of the market, we get
a glut over here.

Speaker 10 (08:53):
Yeah, well that's what I just I just get peeved
off of the fact that, Okay, people vote with those
people in but we can't. We don't have any choice.
We wrote the other adios in West.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
Be very serious for this government because nothing's going well
with the economy. But with this people get reminded every
day they're at the supermarket how expensive it is, and
people will people will really lose any time they have
for this government, I think. I mean they're not they're
not polling crash on anyway. But this is the thing
in the pocket because you know, they said the government

(09:27):
promise that prices will be cheap because of living to
be affordable. It's got much, it's got worse, and it's
got much worse, and it's got much worse quickly.

Speaker 10 (09:36):
And then you give her a smiling on TV telling
us we gain capin that will inquiry, Got I need
to throw something at TV?

Speaker 3 (09:42):
Yeah, we get Alexa to throw something in the TV.
Thanks Bob. Sixteen past eight eight and eighty ten eight.
Kevin Marcus, welcome.

Speaker 11 (09:50):
Oh Mark you I see people are talking about the
price of this going up with all those dairy products
and stuff. Well, rather than having a supermarket, you can
have a supermarket come on to New Zealand. But we
don't need a supermarket. We are import it. We should
just import all the products from overseas because if we

(10:13):
if we can export dairy products to other countries in
there on power but cheaper, then why can't we import
their products to New Zealand Because of the English pounds
quite strong? So why can't we import butter from England
or Ireland summer or Switzerland and Sweden somewhere in bringing

(10:36):
them What everyone's talking about. All we hear about is
New Zealand needs to export export export to the world
to make money for New Zealand. What's wrong with New
Zealand importing products from Europe and the UCU to make
it cheap for New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (10:54):
We'll put your logic to the people. Kevin, thank you, Markets,
Markets welcome, good evening.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
If I had taken the Australia taking a gst off
dairy produce, I don't think things would be bad. But
a pound of butter at colds now in Melbourne there's
not far fake dark, so I'm not far behind sad
day to day.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
Although can I say that you know the Westland down
South Island on the West Coast, they're selling butter at
what nine dollars a kilo at costcos they're doing it
very cheaply. It seems like Fontira just needs some competition.
They probably need to break Fontira's monopoly.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
Well that's what we needed this count. You need a
costcoast somewhere in Palmerston North where take the under Now
that good stuffs, I've got it all.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
Well, then Costco can go anywhere, can't they.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
Well I'm not quite sure about that.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
It's a different kind of thing because you've got membership.
But there's no trouble putting up a Costco. But they're
just giant.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
They are anyway, just to report the sad passing of
a well known singer in New Zealand in the nineteen fifties.
Dasty Walker's passed at the edge of ninety four, and
her classic song was Heady May and Mary Brown Eyes.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
Yeah, and look, I have to I have to admit
my everything as car Pie, I know the song. Well,
the name is not one I've recognized at all. I
saw that christ was as you said, she was ninety four.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
Yep. Then she recorded and Stepping and Viking and very
much with Bill sa Vc.

Speaker 3 (12:25):
Oh yes, well, yeah, and I'm very familiar with Bill
sa Vc.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
It's ninety four. But a lot of people have had
that record shoved away the radiogram on a ten inch
EP or a seventy eight as it originally Cammart in
its format.

Speaker 12 (12:42):
What year was that?

Speaker 3 (12:42):
Now that's the fifties, is it?

Speaker 2 (12:45):
Well, seventy eight from LPs or well extended plays cross
So you can either buy a version on seventy eight
or on an extended LP LP or forty five with
two tracks on each side of a forty five. But
I think they're about four or five tracks on a
ten inch tenant LPs that were priests the nineteen fifties.

Speaker 3 (13:07):
Here here so hard am I everything as Carpi? That
was a song from the mid fifties that would be.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
Right, oh, very popular. Oh yes there, yeah, we're on
the same thing as eras OPhone for Freemi Dolphin round
about that era. Heah yeah, Okay, you might want to
go out to your news at a bit of it
brilliant market memories.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
Thanks for that tip. There we go twenty past eight
eight eighty ten eighty. Marcus Costco are losing money sing
at that rate. It's called a lost leader. I don't
necessarily know that that's true. By the way, Oh, there's
a post from Auckland Emergency Management. Is it raining? Dan Curre.

(13:49):
There's a post from Auckland Emergency Management about twenty minutes ago.
Cure Auckland. We're hearing from community groups in Rodney's northwest
that there are concerns with rising levels of the Kumu River.
We haven't any alerts, but we are checking in with
council hydrologists. They're watchmakers regardless. Always follow natural warnings. If

(14:13):
you see rapidly rising floodwater, get to higher ground immediately.
Never drive or wide through floodwater. It may contain hidden hazards.
If your life is at risk, Phone Triple one. Cumu,
Huapai and Talpaki. Residents whose property is near the river
or prone to flooding should check the emergency plans and

(14:34):
remain vigilant. I can't work out why the council hydrologists
sound always there. Sorry, already there, But that's breaking straight
off the press. This is the Kumia River. I'm just
looking at Google Maps exactly where it goes. It's kind

(15:00):
of a strange one to try and get a vibrating
on the Kumia River. It's hard to see where it is. Well,
it doesn't appear as that it goes through Qumu as such.
Oh yeah, there it goes. It looks like, yeah, I
could see where it goes, now, okay, it flows north.

(15:20):
It seems to be sourced somewhere around well, gosh, it
might go back as far as the Waitakis and it
comes north through Tapaki up through Yeah. But she's just
she's a benign looking thing without much water, and it
looks like hardly much at all. And the end is
up and up and up and up and then goes
through Qumu. And then I presume out into the upper

(15:43):
White Matar. So there that's a situation there if you've
got to mintel let us know. Yeah, Luke, it's Marcus.
Thanks for calling in. Yeah, what can you tell me?

Speaker 2 (15:52):
Luke?

Speaker 13 (15:53):
Oh, I've just driven through poul pie Q you sort
of back of Tapaki before on the way home from work,
and it's not much very light rain. But I even
went over the Kimu River and the bridge coming into Qmu. Okay,
didn't look like we was anything like over high.

Speaker 3 (16:10):
How long ago was that?

Speaker 14 (16:12):
Five five minutes?

Speaker 3 (16:14):
Okay? Yeah you sair? Were you out there? Was it
raining heavily earlier on today?

Speaker 2 (16:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (16:22):
About sort of five five them?

Speaker 3 (16:25):
Okay, yeah, okay, it doesn't sound like it's too much
of a disaster to me. But anyway, so you've just
driven through and there's no flooding, no water over the
bridges or anything like that, nothing like like what there've
been quickly is someone did did you get a text
a lude?

Speaker 13 (16:40):
Nothing?

Speaker 3 (16:41):
Okay, someone mentioned a text lude. I haven't heard of
that also, Thanks for that anyway, get in touch. My
name is Marcus. Welcome Hill twelve. I'll wait one hundred
and eighty ten if you want to come through. We
are talking a little bit about Alixa, a little bit
about oh, the situation at CMU as well. If you
want to come through, as I say, oh wait and

(17:02):
then Niagara Falls, you might have had a special experience
at Niagra. I don't know what a special experience would
be at the Niagara fools. I think a lot of
it goes into a hydroelectric. I don't think it all
goes over the falls. I've never been sure about that.
And I was a child. I always loved those photos
when it froze over, which always seemed almost incomprehensible that

(17:23):
something that would freeze over. I think it did.

Speaker 5 (17:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
Anyway, that's what we're on about, amongst other things tonight.
As I say, if you want to be a part
of it, looking forty and put tonight eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty and nine nine two texts to come through.
I keep those texts coming all So you've got breaking news.
I see Trump on Elano Beckhead it about Epstein, Eli's

(17:52):
saying it as a hoax. Why is Julane Maxwell in prison?
It's pretty good, Alexa. We are talking about also, because
I've never discussed it. I've never normally ever, never discussed.
I never really have been around people's houses that have
got alixa, which I find interesting. It's not ever part

(18:13):
of my life. Alexa. I'm sure there are people out
there that find it very useful. Anyway, get in touch
Evon Marcus, welcome.

Speaker 15 (18:28):
Yeah, Hi, I've got the Alexa, and that's your fact.
I've got two good.

Speaker 10 (18:34):
Yes.

Speaker 15 (18:35):
So with the Alexa, I can just sit on the
couch and ask her for the time, the weather around
the world, the time around the world, whereas with my phone,
I've got to go to my phone, pick it up,
et cetera. It's a computer, like Peter was saying, it's
a computer. I can ask her about a plant. My

(18:56):
partner and I we do crosswords, so if we get
stumped on how to spell a word, we'll ask her
how to spell a word.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
Goodness. Embrace the Alexa, and.

Speaker 15 (19:09):
I can listen to radio stations all around the world.
I listened to talk back on the Alexa, so I
can lay in bed and just say Alexa News talks
ed B and it'll come on, Whereas otherwise you have
to sit up, fiddle around with your phone or knobs whatever.

Speaker 14 (19:29):
So Alex.

Speaker 3 (19:32):
Down Yvonne turned down the turn down the DS. Which
part of the country do you live in?

Speaker 15 (19:41):
Toweronger.

Speaker 3 (19:42):
When you ask Alexa to play news talks edb are
the ads local ads?

Speaker 10 (19:50):
No?

Speaker 15 (19:50):
Auckland? Oh well okay, but I can listen to the
breeze Toweronga on, tune in on the Alexa, like I said,
I can listen to radio and Canada, California, Australia.

Speaker 3 (20:04):
Wherever you just say listen to news talks being on,
it comes.

Speaker 15 (20:10):
Pattern.

Speaker 3 (20:10):
You say, just say listen to news talks z being on,
it comes yes, okay, what's the hold on a minute?

Speaker 15 (20:20):
Hold on Alexa? News talks by are going? Then well
Alexa stops. So from any position like in the house,
I can say volume up, volume down, I can say stop.

(20:40):
Whereas otherwise like say you've got to go to your
phone or go to your computer.

Speaker 3 (20:45):
Have you got one of the bedroom in one of
the lounge.

Speaker 15 (20:48):
Yes, the lounge one is a better quality one. It's
got a bigger microphone and so the music sounds better.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
What's the overseas talk back?

Speaker 15 (20:59):
Like pattern?

Speaker 3 (21:03):
What's the overseas talkback you listen to?

Speaker 15 (21:05):
Like I don't listen to overseas.

Speaker 3 (21:09):
Just you listen to music radio overseas, do you?

Speaker 16 (21:13):
Yes?

Speaker 15 (21:14):
I listened to sometimes music from California. I just played some.
Sometimes I'll ask for Vienna radio or France radio and
I don't know what I'm getting. I just get a station.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
Ants.

Speaker 3 (21:32):
You know, when you're doing crosswords, Yvonne, yep, could you
ask Alexa? Could you say, what's a five? What's a
fruit with five letters? Beginning with a.

Speaker 15 (21:50):
Hold on alexas a fruit starting with A and five letters.

Speaker 11 (21:59):
From quarter dot com is five letters?

Speaker 3 (22:04):
Okay? Good? Okay? So you could use it that with
cross words too, couldn't you?

Speaker 15 (22:09):
I suppose because it's a computer. So yeah, yeah, whatever
your whatever your crossword question is. Because crosswords a word,
just a word. So she would do like for Thorius,
you could ask her for you know, words meaning you
could say give me words meaning yes whatever.

Speaker 3 (22:32):
Wow, Okay. I really appreciate you, and I appreciate the
spirit which you embraced that call with asking down there.
That was great fun, good, Yes, welcome. I feel like
I'm about ten years behind the track with us one.

Speaker 5 (22:44):
Dan.

Speaker 3 (22:44):
What's it connected? Is it connected to a computer? It's
keep to the Wi Fi to a computer?

Speaker 5 (22:51):
Is it.

Speaker 3 (22:54):
So it's keep to the Where is the Internet It's
connected to just out there undeath that right. Oh yeah,
but you don't need to have a computer. H So
where's the computer? Wow? Okay, so the Internet exists, exists,

(23:16):
just not on a computer, just out there right, what
you're saying, Okay, but you don't need a device or
a phone or computer in the house. You just need
Alixa a lot to get your head around.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
Now.

Speaker 3 (23:32):
I mean when facts came and that seemed like beyond
comprehension that that you could do that down the phone.
Marcus is about one cost go for roughly every million
people in Australia. Westgate, Dreary, Rolliston, Wellington and Todong could
fill up the country. Aldis in towns all these and

(23:53):
towns are less than one hundred thousand, small and scalable.
Oh yes, we want a lot of cost cos. We
want west Skate, Dreary, Rolliston, Wellington, Totong. That's a good
spread actually, and they will go, oh yeah, costco is
the future twenty went away from nine Rachel welcome, Oh.

Speaker 17 (24:13):
Hi, Margaret, I just wanted to talk to you about Alixa. Yes,
Alixa is more than just a computer. She's almost I
live on my own and I was unwell for quite
a long time and spend a lot of time at home.
And she's almost like a friend. She knows my name,

(24:34):
she knows how old I am, she knows where I live.
You can say, Alixa, why does the chicken cross the road?

Speaker 18 (24:45):
She won't cross her first, and she was altful evenge.

Speaker 17 (24:49):
There you go, jos, Oh, yeah, Alixa, tell me a joke. Alixa,
tell me a joke.

Speaker 11 (25:03):
Why did he astooge across the road.

Speaker 16 (25:06):
To get to the other side? Yeah?

Speaker 15 (25:10):
So yeah, I asked her the other day I.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
Was spitting another round, so east you go, yep.

Speaker 17 (25:17):
I am after the other day, why did the chicken
cross the road? And she told me it was because
she was free rage.

Speaker 3 (25:26):
It's quite good.

Speaker 19 (25:28):
It's very cool.

Speaker 17 (25:30):
And she knows I take a lot of medication. She
knows what each pillar is called and what time to
take it. She'll tell me when it's time for bed.
She yeah, all sorts of.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
Rachel When is it time for bed?

Speaker 17 (25:51):
I've got my bee time sit at nine o'clock.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
Okay, so she tells you, yeah, And I can move.

Speaker 17 (25:58):
Her from room to room, so depending on where I am.
If I'm in bed, then I just take her to
my bedroom and she.

Speaker 19 (26:06):
Comes with me.

Speaker 3 (26:08):
Oh so you really see her as someone to a comment,
like she's almost.

Speaker 8 (26:11):
A person almost.

Speaker 17 (26:13):
Yeah, Like she writes my shopping list. She knows where
my appointments are. He knows. She wakes me up and
tells me it's time to bowl today.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
It's time to its time, it's time to what day?

Speaker 17 (26:28):
Okay, yeah, so she knows where I go and what
I do, and like, if I'm I write alixa ed
milk to my shopping list.

Speaker 15 (26:45):
I had of milk to your shopping list.

Speaker 17 (26:48):
And then on shopping day, which is Wednesday, she then
tells me it's time to go shopping and reads me
my list.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
She doesn't write it down, though, does she.

Speaker 17 (26:59):
Oh, she knows everything that's on there. She just tells
me the list at the end of the week on Wednesdays.

Speaker 3 (27:09):
It would be good if you're going to connect to
something that she prints it out.

Speaker 17 (27:13):
I don't need to because I can take as she
seems to text me a bag to my phone with
the list on it, but she knows what my phone
number is.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
Well, okay, yeah, it's a good explanation Rachel, thank you,
Jackie Marcus welcome.

Speaker 20 (27:33):
Oh hi Michael, I'm just ringing appleby Eliza. I was
given the Eleikta when I was in Australia from Bush
in Australia because I'm losing my eyesight and so it's
really important.

Speaker 16 (27:47):
You know.

Speaker 20 (27:47):
It's got all my alarms on there for my medication,
and I do listen to news talks they be on it.
And there's an app on the phone that you use
that can connect to Alexa, so you can have a
lot of information sent there as well, and you can
see up things on your phone that goes with.

Speaker 10 (28:07):
The links as well.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
Who got you into it?

Speaker 20 (28:12):
Oh no, Division Australia, Okay, Yeah, so they the occupational
therapist when they came to visit me, said that they were,
you know, going to be having a class and so
they actually had a class to teach a woman, you know,
what to do with it, how to use it and everything,
and just kicked it inside, just brought it to u

(28:32):
Zen and when they came back and set it up.
It's really helpful to me and reminded me especially about meditation,
your alarms ring and that sort of thing.

Speaker 3 (28:43):
Appreciate that, Jackie. Thank you very much for that. There
we go, have a good night you too, Thanks Jackie.
They are a very poor mouse today. It's not clicking
well on my button. I'll try and defrag it without
clicking on everything. What's wrong with it? It feels like
there's got that's impaired. Might need a mouse pair. Hey,

(29:05):
get in touch. My name is Marcus. Welcome here till
twelve oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty nineteen ninety de
text Marcus, I have the Alexa app on my phone.
My daughter has Alexa in her room. I can talk
to my daughter directly through it when I'm at work.
It gives her a heak of a fight when I
just start talking to in the room Marcus. I'm pretty

(29:28):
sure Alexa will be connected directly to Google's advertising department.
I bet that woman with multiple Alexes gets lots of
advertising about products. She talks about the privacy of her home. Brilliant.
I talk via the Elixa to my dogs when I'm

(29:50):
not at home. I love how people call it the Alixa.
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty nine two nine two
de texts. What have you ever got? Yeah, Alexa?

Speaker 7 (29:59):
There we go.

Speaker 3 (29:59):
I think, guess I've had Alexa on my phone in
the car. I think I had this sort of kind
of conversations with it, with jokes and things like that.
I guess that's Alexa. Anyway, Welcome. There is talk of
the Cumea river flooding. I don't know if that's eventuated.
We're also talking about your experience. We've got an interesting

(30:20):
Niagara Falls story. I don't know what that would be
an interesting Nagra full story looks like. But you try
everything in this line of work to get the gold.
I was excited to tell the nine year old today
that we used this topic about number plates. We're excited

(30:40):
about that. Kids love coming up with topics. So when
you try this, when you try that, although I suggested
today it was tomatoes, which I thought was a bit poor,
but you never know. Three days of tomato discussion late
and I said, didn't feel seasonal for tomatoes, I said,
it's got to be relevant. By the way, the measles

(31:02):
is spreading one two new cases confirmed. That's a few
now spreading beyond the wided upper for the first time
since the upbreak begin. I think it began in the
card and library, didn't it sexty locations of interested in Fielding, Supermarket, Hospice,

(31:25):
second hand Shot, Bunning's the Warehouse, and bargain World a
cut price store. I don't think you need to say
a cut price store after bargain World, do you? It's
not her Maize, is it? Anyway? I've spent two minutes
thinking about Alexa. I don't like it at all. Freaks
me out that that would be in your house.

Speaker 5 (31:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:48):
I think some people are just too clever. They're using
it for all sorts of things. But anyway, goodness, the
future is here, isn't it welcome? If you want to
talk on air?

Speaker 12 (31:57):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (31:57):
Oh, by the way, today is World Tattoo Day?

Speaker 7 (32:02):
Do you reckon?

Speaker 3 (32:03):
In New Zealand? Right if you got rid of all
the children, or for the purpose of the survey and
got rid of all the people over sixty five, they're
retired people. Do you think more people would be tattooed
than not tattooed. It feels like that's the stage, doesn't it.

(32:27):
It feels like it's peak tattooed. You reckon if you
think of your mates and people you know, would more
have tattoos than not? Curious to know about that? Don't
know where you're gonna what you want to say about that,
But anyway, have named my AI assistant Barry. He's really
embraced it. Someone was convicted of murder after Alexa recorded it.

(32:50):
And someone talks to their dogs. We're not at home.
People are big on communicating with their dogs, aren't they.
A lot of people leave the radio on for the
dogs when they go to the house, or they like
the voices they say. I don't know how I feel
about broadcasting to dogs. Probably should tailor the show a

(33:11):
bit more. Today, Matthew Marcus, good evening.

Speaker 21 (33:16):
Hey, Mark and Tay going, I'm just tuned in via ELEXTA.

Speaker 10 (33:19):
Oh god, Yeah, I think it's great.

Speaker 3 (33:24):
What were yeah, like, is there anything interesting you do
with it? You think, well, that's kind of off the hook.

Speaker 21 (33:30):
Well, it's actually quite practical and functional. And I think
as much as I'm a I'm not a huge fan
of the style of radio, it actually works really well
for me and I think it's I think it's a
good thing. I think, yeah, I actually think it's okay.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
When you say you're not a fan of a huge
fan of the style of radio, to me what that means.

Speaker 21 (33:51):
It just means that that the whole Alexis thing of
sort of this kind of you know, see the AI
type of way of listening to radio and things. I
wasn't a big fan of begin with, but I think
when you short of you've got to take your mind out.

Speaker 12 (34:09):
Of it a little bit.

Speaker 21 (34:09):
It's actually not that bad, and it's it's quite practical.
I use it for alarms, I use it to listen to,
you know, to other stations, the Cafe del Mars of
this world, to kind of chell music stations, and it
works really well. And I don't see I don't get
that whole kind of big brothery sort of you know,
the overlording style of it. I don't see that.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
Of course, you don't do it before the old robots
take on information at the AI and start invading you. Anyway,
nice to hear from you. I said that half in jest, Marcus,
as you're a skeptic like me on the stuff. Have
you seen the latest release info about Grock. I watched
a video clip about it with it what it can
do the other day. I had to stay well clear
of that. I think I want to stay well clear

(34:51):
of anything of Elon's involved with because he kind of
finagles it to his own kind of tastes, which is weird.
Isn't it like an artificial intelligence artificial bigotry? Any who
hered on midnight Miname is Marcus? Welcome? Light me up?

(35:12):
Niagara Falls. Also there is a topic surprise the river
flowed north. Always picture in my mind it coming the
other way. I've been there, well boy. Fear few house
fires happening around the country. Also be careful with those.
Be careful with your ashes, never put them in the
wheel bin. Snow on the Milford Road tonight by all accounts,

(35:38):
how cold is it going to get tonight? Alexa Marcus?
The way I said, everyone is listening. Everything is listening
your phone, you're smart, watch, elektra, etc. Anything that is
listening for a prompt like hey Alex, Hey sire. Talking
around any device will lead to it listening. With new
tech comes new challenges. Facial recognition have been used for
security and alt advertising. There are stadiums in America that

(36:00):
can track where your phone is and use facial recognition
to pull up whatever you last bought in the studying
like a drink, food, or what preference are online and
can even change billboards around you in real time. Well,
it seems to be like blade Runner. I know only
a handful of people who don't have tattoos nowadays. Yeah,

(36:21):
it's a good point, isn't it. One of the headshol
crossed the road to see his flatmate are Marcus. If
you do use AI, don't forget to be polite and
say thanks. In case the robots take over, they'll go
for the ingrits first. Well, they will take over, by

(36:42):
the way, Since we've talked about Alexa and Siri, I've
had some experience with Siri, but not so much with Alexa.
Is anyone finding really good life changing uses.

Speaker 4 (37:03):
For AI?

Speaker 3 (37:04):
Anyone really embraced it and finding its change your life
for work or whatever? Well, how's long it's been around
for a year or two now? Yeah, if you got
to say something about that, wouldn't mind hearing from you. AI.
What are you using it for? I think it's fair
to say when you use it to change letters they've
written and stuff, the writing style is shocking. I mean,

(37:25):
it's kind of featureless, isn't it. But yeah, we'd be
curious if you experienced that in some way. Also to
about the Niagara Falls always putting the requests out for
people in the Tasman district. How are things there for
you now? Like the most expensive storm, I mean for
a while back, the most extensive Well, anyway, I'll say

(37:47):
that discussion for later. But yes, since be hearing from
you people. My name is Marcus. Welcome, do get in
touch if you want to be a part of the show.
There'll be other stuff. I'm not sure what yet, but
get in touch. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.
What are you using AI for? It's of interest to me.

(38:10):
Good evening, Jim, Welcome.

Speaker 10 (38:12):
Marcus, it's Uber Jim.

Speaker 19 (38:14):
How are you good?

Speaker 3 (38:14):
Thanks suber Jim.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
Good AI.

Speaker 10 (38:19):
I'm just sort of upgraded to the latest Apple phone
and the latest Apple software with AI, and have used
Surri pretty extensively. But now with AI, it's just a
whole different ballgame. It gives you so much detail. If

(38:43):
you're looking for extra information, you can just keep asking
it questions and we'll keep coming back with answers. You
don't have to put in a new answer. It's sorry,
a new question. It's just so clearly and.

Speaker 3 (38:57):
Yeah, are you find are you finding the results convincing?

Speaker 10 (39:02):
Yes, yes they are and reasonably accurate or in the
fact very accurate and in fact, the software I'm using
as a beta, so it's not the final thing. But
Apple comes back to you every show, often for feedback
and like if you're creating images, for example, it says,

(39:24):
how good, So it really delves down into the nitty
gritty it's excellent and.

Speaker 3 (39:34):
What sort of you? Keep going because you gave us
an interesting yet keep going.

Speaker 10 (39:38):
So we just used it the ogaseas for three months
and we used basically AI to plot a travelight scenerary
for ourselves, highlighting places of interest, and it would come
back to you with train times.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
It was so so good.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
I can't speak high end of So whereabouts were you.

Speaker 10 (40:04):
In the UK, UK and Ireland?

Speaker 3 (40:06):
So you just say, would you just say give us
an itinerary?

Speaker 2 (40:11):
Well, we did that before we went.

Speaker 10 (40:13):
But then when we were going somewhere, we might say, oh,
we're going to the cliffs of Mobi and Ireland. What's
some other interesting sites nearby? And it would come back
and it would say, well, this is this far away,
or we should go here, and you know, what's a
good restaurant and just things that you would typically google,

(40:34):
you don't have to and just talk to it and
It comes back to the information.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
I guess things that you'd traditionally google or ask other
people what to do in the old times, wouldn't you
we say, we're here in this place, what's a good
thing to do?

Speaker 10 (40:47):
Exactly, and it would give you opinions, and if you
wanted to expand on it, you just ask another question as.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
You would in normal life.

Speaker 10 (40:55):
So yeah, it's a very real interface, if I can
use that word.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
Yeah, okay, well, good holiday, Oh.

Speaker 10 (41:04):
Great, great? Aut I think so what we're getting ripped
here for food prices and groceries and they compared to
the UK.

Speaker 3 (41:15):
Absolutely, although every time I mentioned I get one hundred
farmers that text me, oh stuff the farmers. Well that
seems that seems to be the spirit. People are sick
of them.

Speaker 10 (41:25):
Well, things are so cheap there, so cheap. You know,
a dozen eggs a dollar sixty five or one pound
sixty five. I mean you can only use it as
dollars a pound. You don't want to get to exchange, right,
So if you did that, you wouldn't go anywhere.

Speaker 3 (41:40):
No, that's a good point.

Speaker 10 (41:41):
Yeah, dollars sixty five for a dozen eggs, ninety nine
cents for a killer of bananas just so cheap in
New Zealand. Wine You could buy New Zealand wine there
for less than ten dollars in good New Zealand wine,
I mean less than ten pounds, So ten dollars. Yeah,
just crazy cheap.

Speaker 3 (42:04):
You're going to go there to live.

Speaker 10 (42:07):
I'd move there in a heartbeat. But I've got there's
two parts of the equation unfortunately. So yeah, but listen,
just on tattoos. I thought tattoos were pretty prolific in
New Zealand. Yeah, over there, everywhere. And I have to
say it a Krazilian young woman with no shame that

(42:36):
I just covered and ink and basically revealing all and
not leaving much imagination.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
Well that was summer.

Speaker 10 (42:47):
Say it was summer, Well, yes it was summer.

Speaker 17 (42:52):
It was.

Speaker 5 (42:53):
But some.

Speaker 10 (42:56):
Yeah, just everything's exposed, no secrets.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
Brilliant, brilliant. Okay, thank you, sixteen past nine, keep your
calls coming through, Marcus till twelve. I a good response
about that. We'll get to some others. I'm curious to
know what people are using it for. I hadn't thought
of people using it like that for tour itineries. I
kind of quite like going around Google and finding out
what you can do. But there we go. Yeah, I

(43:22):
don't say know that you. I think probably planning itineries
is part of the joy eighteen past nine. Good evening, Dean,
it's Marcus welcome. I say you going good, Dan, thank
you good good.

Speaker 14 (43:35):
So I had just around your conversation around AI and
you know what you can use it for. We've actually
been building a version of chet GPT specifically for New
Zealand builders and the building industry. And it's basically so
that people who don't know anything about you know, I've
got a home and I want to know if I
can do this for renovation. Am I allowed to build this?

(43:57):
Can I build this type of thing in this type
of area? Or can I add a pool? Basically references
the New Zealand building code and you're region specific area
and then you just asked questions about the projects that
you want to do in advances with New Zealand information only,
so it's not searching the whole internet and the whole web.
But yes, we've got it running and it's actually working

(44:19):
really well and it's just a free app for anybody
to have a look at on a free website.

Speaker 3 (44:24):
So did you get the basics for that from overseas
AI modules and just add the New Zealand code to it.
Is that kind of how you put that together?

Speaker 14 (44:36):
Yeah, that's kind of hard to put together. But it's
also been moderated by a licensed building practitioner, so she
checking all of the information that everything's relevant to this,
to the New Zealand standards. So because if you did
it in like just hatch EPT, it's likely to give
you Australian code overseas you know, American code all those
other things, and then you don't know that your information
is legitimate, whereas this is like so you could ask

(44:57):
it in Auckland, can I build a minor dwelling in
a single home zone if I'm in christ Do I
need a resource consent to subd buy it in a
residential zone? Do I need to consent for a pool?
What is a building consent? All those type of questions
you can ask.

Speaker 3 (45:15):
The same point valuable so that the new dimesia AI
is making it because it's it's not it's of no
use unless it's got the local codes and.

Speaker 14 (45:22):
A yeah exactly. So we've basically done this to help
you know, local builders and and people who just want
these kind of answers simply simply yeah. So people going
to check it out if they like it's called can
I build it at co dot m Z.

Speaker 3 (45:39):
How do you get your money?

Speaker 7 (45:41):
It's free?

Speaker 3 (45:42):
How do you get your money?

Speaker 22 (45:44):
Uh?

Speaker 10 (45:45):
Well, I dearly.

Speaker 14 (45:46):
It'll eventually become like Chat. It's the same structures chat Chat, GPT,
so you would get free access and then if you
want to ask it multiple questions over and over and
over down the line, then you would say a subscription fee.

Speaker 3 (45:59):
For it a more professional thing because you wonder if
the council, because it would be of interest to the
councils because would take the heat off their people, wouldn't it.

Speaker 8 (46:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (46:07):
So the other thing we're looking to do is build
one specifically for so when a designer submits their the
plans to the particular council, they have a whole lot
of questions that they have to go through and you
get you get in return, you'll get what's called an RFI,
which is a request of information. So that extends your
time so long, going back and forth council, back to

(46:27):
the designers, back to council, back to designers. So we
want to then build one that helps designers go through
a really good checklist before near of that goes to
council and just make their list of back and forth
between the designer and council shorter as well. So that's
the ultimate plan with this. But just starting out now
is just to just sort of help builders and every
day people understand what they can and can't do.

Speaker 3 (46:49):
And he simpl hell it take to put together, Dan,
how long you've been working on it?

Speaker 23 (46:56):
Uh?

Speaker 14 (46:57):
Month or two?

Speaker 24 (46:57):
Two months?

Speaker 19 (46:58):
Maybe?

Speaker 3 (46:58):
Okay? Interesting yet? And what's the what's the website?

Speaker 5 (47:02):
Again?

Speaker 3 (47:02):
In the name of it?

Speaker 14 (47:04):
Can I build it? Can I build it? Dot coded
end zet there's a dot org which is a government site,
which is not particularly helpful, but can I build it?

Speaker 3 (47:12):
Dot coda ends nice to hear from. You don't appreciate
that muchly twenty one past nine Bruce Marcus welcome, Yeah,
get it.

Speaker 22 (47:19):
You've had some building things. Sounds bloody interesting.

Speaker 19 (47:22):
I had just drop that down.

Speaker 3 (47:23):
I had the thought of that that you could do
that locally like that, and it almost sounds to me
now the challenge for all these things is letting people
know they exist.

Speaker 22 (47:32):
Well exactly because I was looking at doing a slight
mod to a little barn hay barn thing I've got,
and yeah, I'm going to have a look at that
thing tomorrow. It sounds very interesting. Yeah, But I was
actually ringing on a slightly side topic if you don't mind,
yes please, you talked about the rivers that were a
bit odd. And I was up north there a few
months ago and I call him to a made of
mines place. He's got a place on the old Russell Road,

(47:54):
you know that north of fung Array that goes pops
out of Russell and you go through a Parker and Helena.

Speaker 3 (48:00):
Bay and yes, I know it past Blend, Yeah, I
know it, yep, yep.

Speaker 4 (48:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (48:04):
So before you get to the acre and the Helena
Bay type area, he's got a little farm on the
left as you go north. And I was looking around
his little bit of land, and he's got a little
stream beside him. And we went and had a look
at a stream, and I thought they got a second
The river goes the wrong way because it was going
sort of south, and I thought that doesn't make any sense,
so I asked him, I said, look, what's the story

(48:25):
with this river. Surely it doesn't seem to go out
on the east coast and he said, it doesn't. It
actually goes to Dargaville if you follow the river.

Speaker 11 (48:33):
Absolutely I don't.

Speaker 22 (48:37):
And so this summer I'm going to go and take
a couple of kayaks up there and do a little
expedition from the from his creek and end up down
and paddles of Dargable. But he said that there's a
couple of attractly, there's a couple of waterfalls on the way,
which would make it quite addressing.

Speaker 9 (48:49):
But it's just so bloody.

Speaker 22 (48:51):
Weird that this river.

Speaker 3 (48:52):
So this is this is north of Akra, No, it's
south of Okra.

Speaker 22 (48:58):
So you've turned you've turned right onto the Old Russell Road.
You know about I don't know twenty odd k's north
the fronder A. If you know the road, you sort
of go pass on a bit of a bend and
there's a gas station on your left, and then you
turn right into Old Russell Road and it's about like
fifteen or about ten or twelve k's up that road
and the river you can't really see it. It's sort

(49:19):
of behind his property. So it's to the north of
the road. As you're going up that road, because the
road sort of goes a little bit east and it
hasn't got to Helena Bay. I think the first bay
you pop out is Helena Bay. So literally it's only
a few k's from the east coast. But this bloody river,
it takes all of that catchment that goes up towards

(49:41):
Cape Brett over towards the you know, the Bay of Islands,
but it doesn't dump it on the east coast. It
dumps it on the west coast.

Speaker 3 (49:48):
Do you know what the river's called?

Speaker 22 (49:51):
No, Well, I'll have a look next time. I went
on to get Hashi, just driving home, and when you
mentioned the river before, you know, a river, a funny
river before the nine o'clock before the news, and I thought,
I'll just bring you about this body up north. But
literally it's the only river that's that's on the left
hand side of you know, within about ten k's of
the intersection of Highway one on the old Ruffley Road

(50:13):
going north, so you will be able to see it.
But it was when I saw the river I thought
that just it struck me as being that's just so weird,
And so.

Speaker 19 (50:21):
I asked the mate.

Speaker 22 (50:22):
He said, it doesn't go to it doesn't go east,
it goes and pops out at dagel if you follow
it all the way, and it actually goes all the
way through the hicker Angy swamp Upe area and heads west.
And I said, look when I said, oh, I'm going
to power up with some kayaks on the summertime and
we'll go for a paddle. And he said, oh, well
there'll be apparently there is a waterfall or two. But
I thought, oh, that's all right. I'll just you know,

(50:43):
it's not going to take and I say, one hundred
old k's I suppose, but it might be a bit
longer it you know, he goes through. I don't know
what I'm going to see, but I'm going to give
it a crack because it sounds like a hell of
a lot of fun.

Speaker 3 (50:52):
Yeah, okay, I'll spend some time on I could find
it almost all the way there on Google Maps, but
not the whole way there. But yeah, I'm hearing what
you're saying.

Speaker 22 (51:01):
Well, it's literally his little farm is about a few
there's a road really name road on the right called
Peakshead Road or something, which is on the right on
the Old Russell Road, and it's a little bit further
north than that where his little property is, which is
not a little side road, but you know it's literally
about you know, ten or fifteen minutes from State Highway

(51:24):
what going up the old Russell roads where the little screamers.
It does have a lot of water because it floods,
you know occasionally quite well. But just the fact that
you can go, that it exits, you know, you go
and have you spend the night at the Dargatball Pub
after a couple of days paddling. It sounds like fun.

Speaker 5 (51:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:43):
Wait, I think the case might be I think it
might be well, I think it might be called the
I just got it. I think it might be called
the ka the k Kanui River.

Speaker 6 (51:55):
I will check it out.

Speaker 22 (51:55):
I will check it out from Marria and I.

Speaker 3 (51:57):
Think I've chased that right to the Russell Road and
then coming up towards the Helena Bay Hill, so that
might be the one.

Speaker 22 (52:02):
But yeah, it's on the left of that road as
you go towards russ Yeah.

Speaker 3 (52:06):
Yeah, I'll spend some time on Google. Thanks for that, Bruce,
I appreciate that. Twenty six past nine, Carlottes Marcus, good evening, Good.

Speaker 19 (52:15):
Evening, Marcus.

Speaker 9 (52:16):
Do you think that terrifies me about AI? Like that
becomes a judge and jury and court cases, things like
job interviews and wherever they push the button for a
nuclear bomb. Is taking all these human you know, the
human nature of situations, you know what I mean. Like,

(52:40):
it's quite terrifying when you think about it.

Speaker 4 (52:43):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 9 (52:44):
I can imagine in the court case, except oh mate,
I don't like it.

Speaker 3 (52:51):
I imagine too, Carl. I imagine if you got some drones, right,
powerful drones, and you made them AI enabled, and they
fell in the hands of a bad agent. You could
show them a picture of cal yes, and you could say,
could you hunt down and kill this guy? And with

(53:14):
AI they would have enough information. They could check security footage,
that know your name, they'd go through files, you use
your bank account, they'd work it out that hunter you
and they'd get you.

Speaker 19 (53:25):
That's right, mate, Like it's taking it.

Speaker 25 (53:27):
It's just taking the human nature out of things.

Speaker 9 (53:30):
And obviously somebody some humans programs.

Speaker 19 (53:34):
Or we don't know what sort of person. You know
what I mean, It's just taking out the human.

Speaker 3 (53:41):
Look, look, I've done I've done this job for a
long time. I know people that are paranoid or conspiratorial.
But when it comes to AI, this is not conspiracy.
This is just survival and common sense.

Speaker 19 (53:55):
Oh well, everybody's their own mate at all.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
No, I'm hearing it. I'm hearing your big time Danny
Marcus welcome.

Speaker 16 (54:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 26 (54:04):
You talking about the river, yes, which goes right through
to Dagable from Araka Way nearly to but not quite
fucking Para.

Speaker 5 (54:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 26 (54:15):
Down there it actually joins like it has one l
big waterfall just past poor Tee and it then not
far after that, about five six k down the river
it joins into the Aka here which comes from.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
Up towards Kyokoe all the way.

Speaker 26 (54:33):
Out Donney's crossing Way.

Speaker 16 (54:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (54:36):
Like it's a real big flow of two rivers meeting together.

Speaker 3 (54:39):
It's a big catchment. So I guess, yeah, I guess
it's just the local geography that all flows down that way.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 26 (54:45):
Yeah, so yeah, there's a big join in the river.

Speaker 19 (54:49):
So yeah.

Speaker 25 (54:50):
And it's like the Wirral or Falls are a big fall.

Speaker 26 (54:54):
There's a like a north power or a power generating
system with a canal that runs around past the falls
that takes a lot of the water away, but it's
still it's a big forward.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 26 (55:05):
I see forty five met.

Speaker 3 (55:06):
For the high what fall to those, Denny, What fall
to those called the way ruer?

Speaker 26 (55:12):
For they're right near horror Ty.

Speaker 3 (55:16):
I'll go and look it. I'm gonna run for headlines, Danny.
But thanks for that, Marcus. I asked my Ai gem
and I to find a wand for me. He immediately
went to Hogwarts mode and said, while he couldn't test
me with different ones in real time, you have to
ask questions. I wound up with a wand with the
unicorn main hair as its core an ether rose would
a willow for the wood. He asked me what I
wanted to use my wand for casting charms and spelled

(55:38):
or healing. I chose casting charms, so my wand was rosewood.
I asked Jimmy to make an image of my wand
and said I wanted at silver at one end. I
have great fun asking jim and I complimented questions but
also complicated questions, but also fun ones. Does Father Christmas exist?
To unicorns live? Or weed udicons live? Gemini is also

(55:58):
a quick way to find at anything, as his scans
in it and seconds and compiled a summary. Are you
still wearing your foot spreaders? No very specific shoe ads
from Google after sending millimeters, sending pics of specific shoes
to friends and add to boost your child's confidence immediately
after reading school report out loud, all privacy settings on phones,

(56:21):
got eyes and ears forgot to mention. This is a
text forgot to mention. Connie Francis passed away yesterday, age
eighty seven. Who hits Stupid Cupid? Everybody's Somebody's full late
hit to the fifties, a different generation of singers. That's
from Mark, Thank you Mark. No word on Star on

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the Desert Road. I don't think it's expected though, and
there is an update from QMU. The river is running
high and is rising following heavier rain that has for
in the last few hours. The highest point of the
channel at the council's monitoring station is probably two point
eight meters and the current level is two point three

(57:02):
meters and rising. The site peaked at three point three
just during last Friday's storm. River levels in the wide
and northwest area have been recently starting to rise again
after receiving through the last four to six hours. Depending
on rain to come, we expect the Cuma River may
get near or possibly exceed the bank full level. Please

(57:25):
remain vigilant activity. If the river rises rapidly and begins
to flood, well I hope they're they're monitoring it. That
would be my wish. I have found AI unreliable when
using Google on my phone, particularly with historical local events.

(57:46):
The answers are often incorrected and mixed up with other
subjects that seem to be seen the same to AI, Yes,
that would be my experience. I don't love it. It
is tattoo day. If anyone's got an interesting tattoo story,
I haven't. I am someone that has zero interests in tattoos. Yeah, yeah,

(58:11):
it's interesting, isn't it. I don't know why. Some people
just absolutely love them, but some people, for love nor money,
can't see the point. But I guess you got to
respect people's different wishes, don't you. So that's what I'm doing,
Just so you know, in the UK, by the next election,

(58:34):
sixteen and seventeen year olds will have the ability to vote.
It's a really that system in Wales and Scotland. So
there we go down to sixteen. Seems like a good
idea to me. Although I mentioned a lot of you
will find it the devil's work. Alan Marcus Good evening.

Speaker 24 (58:52):
Yes, good evening, Marcus.

Speaker 5 (58:55):
Evening Marcus.

Speaker 24 (58:56):
Did you just make a joke.

Speaker 27 (58:59):
You're telling us that you didn't have a tattoo because
you couldn't see the point exactly?

Speaker 3 (59:04):
Very good, isn't it?

Speaker 24 (59:06):
That was very subtle? Yea, you know, not too bad
for this time of night.

Speaker 3 (59:12):
Not too bad. I don't know. If there's a stage
of life, you change your mind.

Speaker 24 (59:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 27 (59:16):
I had no tattoos until up until the time my
wife died. Yeah, and what and I had heard her
details tattoed on my her.

Speaker 24 (59:29):
Date of birth and her name and all the rest.

Speaker 3 (59:32):
That's quite nice.

Speaker 24 (59:34):
I know I was. I was absolutely traumatized.

Speaker 3 (59:37):
Did you think of getting her image or would that
not work?

Speaker 9 (59:40):
No?

Speaker 24 (59:40):
I didn't know. I didn't get her image done.

Speaker 3 (59:42):
Did you think did you think? Did you think of that?

Speaker 10 (59:44):
Though?

Speaker 27 (59:45):
No, I didn't because I thought as I get older
and my arm gets all rad so was she.

Speaker 3 (59:50):
I think you'd be very brave to get the representation.
I've seen some of them. The representations look good, but
I think probably it's putting a lot of pressure on
the artists to get it right, the likeness right, particularly
since they've never met the person. They're just doing it
from a two dimensional photo.

Speaker 27 (01:00:03):
Well, I did hear a story once about a woman
who had a rose tattooed on her breast, but as.

Speaker 24 (01:00:09):
She got older, the rose wilted.

Speaker 3 (01:00:13):
Okay, yeah, oh it's a nice story.

Speaker 24 (01:00:18):
That's almost that's almost as good as yours.

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
Yeah, thank you, Ellen, I appreciate it. Brilliant. Bye bye.
Eighteen to ten Marcus still twelve. Anything else you want
to go on about, yay, Marcus. Sorry, here are the
death of Kay Francis. She was a favorite singer back
the sixth and I'll enjoy you any Timely did she
come to New Zealand? That's so I always like to
find out the answer to be a part of If
you want to be a part of it, my name

(01:00:41):
is Marcus hid On Midnight, eight hundred and eighty ten,
eighty nine to nine to de text, looking forward to
what you've got to say. I'm just looking now to
say there's any more situation and the big story seems
to be measles spreading highly infectious as we know, kind

(01:01:05):
of surprised and slightly worried about this rebel Saudi Arabia
rugby competition that's been called R three sixty. Although those
things have come and gone in the past, but I
guess the Saudis have bottomless money. I think Kaylen Pong

(01:01:26):
has talked about with that also private equity money and
Saudi money. Although imagine it would be all right if
it fits in the international window, within the initial window.
I think Mike Tindall's behind that one. You might want
to wear that too, but lines are free. Oh apparently

(01:01:48):
apparently Conny Francis did come to New Zealand. I wasn't
aware of that, so so only saying that because some
of you might have gone to see her and can
talk about those stories. And also AI and how AI
has changed your life. Katrina, it's Marcus.

Speaker 27 (01:02:04):
Welcome Marcus, I am there.

Speaker 28 (01:02:11):
Yes, yeah, so AI has been like a game changer
for my family lately. My husband just recently was made
redundant and nearing the age of sixty. So I've been
well together. We've been using AI to.

Speaker 29 (01:02:32):
Get the CB We've taken the CB was updated it
with AI. We've got job ads and if we put
the job ad in the CBN, it throws out a
cover letter specific for that so that specific job. So yeah,
it's just been really helpful. We're two for two with

(01:02:53):
job with view so far.

Speaker 3 (01:02:55):
So oh that's interesting. Okay, so it's it's written a
letter that you think is doing what it needs to do.

Speaker 19 (01:03:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 29 (01:03:03):
So what it does is it takes you pop your
CV in and you pop the job that you're wanting
to apply for it, and it pulls how you like
from your job, your CV and what they're looking for
and it comes up with a perfect cover letter to
sort of put with your CV.

Speaker 28 (01:03:24):
Wow.

Speaker 29 (01:03:25):
Okay, so you do that for each jobs. No researchers
that could go and obviously goes and checks out what
the company is looking for. And yeah, so that's been
really good and also came up with sort of test
interview questions, like tricky questions that we might come across.

Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
And so, yeah, did you have to change the letter?
Did you have to change the letter much? Or it
nailed it? Put the tone and everything perfectly.

Speaker 29 (01:03:52):
Oh no, no, except for the M dash but take
out a few of the M dashes.

Speaker 3 (01:03:58):
But no, I don't know what is ah.

Speaker 29 (01:04:03):
So it's sort of one of those giveaways of using
a it's so sort of double dabt is that those
long debtes instead of just doing like a hYP you know,
like a dabt. It does these sort of they're called debts.

Speaker 10 (01:04:20):
Yeah, I look that up.

Speaker 29 (01:04:22):
Ok, yeah, yeah, yeah, but yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:04:27):
So it's looking quite well, it's looking quite positive forum.

Speaker 4 (01:04:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 29 (01:04:32):
Well yeah, because the sort of job he does will
probably have to like move from where we are so
to try and find another job like that. So yeah,
I know, it's it's just like all that stuff takes time.
And like when you've been made redone and you've got
a mortgage to pay, you know those sort of things,
you know they're pretty you can get them done, and

(01:04:54):
the buddy, you can get them done.

Speaker 3 (01:04:56):
Yeah, it's also a boring meaning it's also a boring
meaningless task. So if the computers can do it, I mean,
it's a great thing for it to do, doesn't. I mean,
it saves your time for something else.

Speaker 9 (01:05:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 29 (01:05:06):
And so my husband had an in person interview and
he said that all of because I asked her to
come up with like tricky questions that they might ask
him and based on the specific job that he was
going for, and it came up with all these tricky questions.
And he said that all of the questions that were
practiced from chet GBT, they actually asked him in the interview.

Speaker 3 (01:05:29):
Wow, because the interviewers themselves want have asked chet GPT
what questions to do?

Speaker 29 (01:05:35):
Probably is possibly market Yeah, yeah, but no, I mean
I love chat GBT honestly, it's just and I think
even I've used it in a lot of ways. I
think it's yeah, like I sort of had been through
a lot of workplace bullying in my own job, and yeah,

(01:05:56):
it was just an amazing resource. But I just think
is so underutilized, especially by people like I'm nearing sixty
next year and and so my husband. But a lot
of people I talk to, they've got I think they're
scared of it. But yeah, really nothing you are you?

Speaker 3 (01:06:16):
Yeah, well, nothing to be scared of now, but you know,
wat down it's like that. It's like DNA testing Katrina.
But look, I'll move on. But thank you. I'm terrified
of it. Dave Marcus good Evening, Well.

Speaker 19 (01:06:28):
I agree with you.

Speaker 23 (01:06:29):
I am skeptical and I am afraid, and I am
scared of the potential and the thought process that goes
into this artificial intelligence. I mean from what gleaning from
what that lady's perform me just said, what the AI
is doing is writing pretty much a CV and telling
potential employers just what they want to hear, where real

(01:06:51):
life experience cannot You can't be Is that? I mean,
either you have the skills and experience of what a
potential employer have or you don't. The other issue I
have with AI, as you say, it's finding potential can

(01:07:12):
cure diseases and all that, etc. Well, I would put
to you or whomever else, TODAI is the disease itself.
I don't trust it.

Speaker 12 (01:07:21):
I don't trust it.

Speaker 23 (01:07:23):
I don't believe what's real anymore coming from AI, because
who knows what is real and what isn't.

Speaker 3 (01:07:31):
It's all happening very quickly.

Speaker 23 (01:07:33):
Yes, too quickly, too quickly, and we've got to just
chill back. I believe as a race, a human race,
because you know what, if you put in what is
the biggest issues with planet Earth at the moment, and
I believe AI will come out with overpopulation of the
human species, and what's the what's going to be a

(01:07:54):
result or how can we how can we take care
of that?

Speaker 5 (01:07:59):
Well, that is.

Speaker 23 (01:08:00):
Perhaps a major nuclear exchange where eradication of the human
race will will part. There are of a few billion
less people because planet Earth can only sustain i'd probably
suggest about nine billion people.

Speaker 3 (01:08:16):
Yes, I don't disagree. I see Facebook all in on AI,
and they are going to build multiple data centers the
size of Manhattan. So it's also incredibly carbon costly, which

(01:08:36):
I never thought to the thing. They ought to have
huge data centers to run all huge generations. You know,
it takes up a huge amount of electricity.

Speaker 23 (01:08:45):
Yes, we've got to be observant and not make sure
that AI doesn't almost take over and control and especially
our thought patterns. And as I've come back to, where
does this does II end up with a gender itself

(01:09:05):
and a gender in itself for itself of the human species,
of the human rules.

Speaker 3 (01:09:10):
Also, it can fall into the hand of bad actors
that connection start hunting down people for any particular reason.

Speaker 23 (01:09:17):
I mean, you know, because they agree perhaps with one's
own belief system or political gender or bias.

Speaker 3 (01:09:28):
Although I just do it for a bounty, you know,
give us one hundred thousand dollars, Are were going to
hunt you down?

Speaker 23 (01:09:33):
Yes, exactly. I think we've got to stay with two
eyes wide open in this matter.

Speaker 3 (01:09:40):
Dave, you can see how much scammers have used technology
they scam people, So of course they'd use AI, wouldn't
they be the next thing they'd.

Speaker 23 (01:09:47):
Use Yes, And they're very convincing, Marcus, We're too convincing
for many already.

Speaker 3 (01:09:53):
They can get just a bit of your voice right,
and then they connection you can ring your parents to
pretend you're the child asking for money, and it's the
child's voice, exactly, Good evening, Welcome to the future. It's
supposed to be rosy and fun, is it. Well, kind

(01:10:17):
of gets more and more foreboding.

Speaker 24 (01:10:18):
I think.

Speaker 3 (01:10:21):
Just listening to that forecast, there is snow forecast for
the desert roads. If it starts snowing, to let us snow,
that's of interest to the truck drivers. Die. Good evening, Marcus, welcome.

Speaker 30 (01:10:31):
Oh hello, it's Die here. I was just going to
tell you that I had an appointment with my doctor
today and you can hear by my voice I've got
a cold or a cough or something. Anyway, he said
he was going to write the report with AI and
do I mind? No, Yeah, And I said no, I

(01:10:52):
don't mind. In fact, I said, Peraps, it might tell
the truth for a change, because recently I went to
a walk in doctor on the weekend and he sent
me to hospital with he said I had silly lightis
and I was in hospital and the hospital didn't even check.
They just gave me all this antibiotics and then in

(01:11:13):
the end I turned out to have shingles.

Speaker 3 (01:11:19):
M M, yeah, that's it. So when so you hold
your thought when you say the other thing die and
I'll come back to that. Oh, I've just got some
quick When they say that GP would write the report
using aim, what did that mean?

Speaker 4 (01:11:38):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:11:40):
Well, he's still asking you if he was still writing
stuff into his computer as he talked to you.

Speaker 8 (01:11:43):
Was he Yeah?

Speaker 30 (01:11:45):
No, I live in Ocean SHARE's retirement village and he
comes here and he doesn't have a computer.

Speaker 23 (01:11:50):
What does he have?

Speaker 30 (01:11:51):
I don't know. I didn't see him do it?

Speaker 3 (01:11:53):
Does it? Does he ever? Does he write something on
a pad?

Speaker 15 (01:11:56):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:12:00):
They must they must. They must need to ask you
out of courtesy. There must be something they need to do.

Speaker 30 (01:12:05):
Yes, it must be something they have to do, Like
they ask you, do you want to be resuscitated? When
you're my age of eighty.

Speaker 3 (01:12:12):
Four, you'd say yes, wouldn't you?

Speaker 30 (01:12:15):
Yeah? Yeah, of course yes, yes yeah. And the other
thing I was going to say was about butter export
on that, you know that twelve o'clock program. They have
some farmers. Yes, they had some big top man on there,
and he said they they export butter at a high
price and they have to charge us the same.

Speaker 3 (01:12:39):
And I don't really understand why they have to.

Speaker 30 (01:12:41):
No, I think that's ridiculous. I think that's mean.

Speaker 3 (01:12:44):
Yeah, I think it's mean too. But yeah, hey, it's
quite a bad flu seasoned I. Yeah, yeah, many people
are sick of it. The old people's home.

Speaker 30 (01:12:59):
It's not an old people's home.

Speaker 3 (01:13:01):
Oh yeah, I knew, I said, I knew, as I
said as I said that I'd got that one woefully right. Yeah,
my apologies.

Speaker 30 (01:13:07):
Yes, there is quite a few here.

Speaker 3 (01:13:10):
It seems like it's been fine for a couple of years,
but this one's ready come through it siden He hit
very hard down south.

Speaker 30 (01:13:17):
Yes, yeah, yeah, well I don't feel the best just
but never mind.

Speaker 3 (01:13:20):
No, I feel out. We at least you go to
the odd shingles. That's terrible.

Speaker 30 (01:13:24):
Yeah, so I had shingles and he told us terrible.
He told us fib that I'd fallen over my walker
and hit my head on the pavement. When I told
him I'd hip my head on the side of the car,
and this doctor told line. I said to my doctor, well, Pepsy,
I will tell the truth from now on here.

Speaker 3 (01:13:46):
You still you're still driving. You're still driving down drive.

Speaker 30 (01:13:50):
Yep, yep, good on you. That's good.

Speaker 3 (01:13:53):
Yeah, that's your freedom. You're sorry for calling it an
old people's home.

Speaker 16 (01:13:57):
Die.

Speaker 30 (01:13:58):
Oh, that's all right, good on you.

Speaker 3 (01:14:01):
You're forgiving more forgiving than I I timm it's Marcus.

Speaker 7 (01:14:04):
Good evening leaving Marcus.

Speaker 3 (01:14:07):
You well, you're liking your voice him, that's coming in
strong welcome.

Speaker 7 (01:14:11):
Yeah, good one, mate. Hey, I'm not sure if this
is entirely accurate, but well parts of it are my GP.
He put a notice up on his you know, you
go to surgery and they've he's got their own room,
and he put a printed notice on saying it was
using AI, you know, to generate notes. I guess, yeah, Now,

(01:14:34):
I thought I got the impression that there the time
you know, we were discussing was recorded and then he'd
like sort of do whatever he needed to do from there.

Speaker 3 (01:14:49):
Okay, so I'm completely not so that makes sense. It
would just listen to the conversation and would write the
report from that, so he'd do nothing.

Speaker 7 (01:15:00):
Well, I guess he's got to do something, and he
does seem to be tapping away, but that could be
who knows what. I'm not very technical, but you know,
I trust my doctor. And the one thing I would note, though,
is I get to read my notes back on a
an act called my Indassy. Yes, and I checked them regularly.

(01:15:24):
They've got a few things going on, and it was
the best speller before, but it's got a whole lot
wess with the advent of AI.

Speaker 3 (01:15:36):
I'm still thinking about it. I'm still thinking about this
because I don't like the I don't like the sound
of this. So you go to the doctor and he
asks you questions, how are you feeling, how's your blood pressure?
And the computer listens to it all that writes the
report and then does it Yeah, and then does it
write your prescription or does the doctor do that.

Speaker 7 (01:15:56):
No, I'm pretty certain that the doctor does.

Speaker 3 (01:15:58):
The diagnotion and the diagnosis.

Speaker 7 (01:16:02):
Yeah, well we've got of a round up at the
end and doing anything there or that or whether. But yeah,
the report that I read on the app and so
as the lady before was saying, you know, she said
she fell and hit the car, but in the reporter
came up as the pavement. I think there's probably still

(01:16:23):
a long way to go. There could be maybe the machine.

Speaker 3 (01:16:28):
Because it doesn't sound when you say you're falling and
hit the car. That doesn't sound logical, does it. So
you're probably for the pavement is the more correct one,
wouldn't you? Yeah, I can understand how that would have happened.

Speaker 7 (01:16:39):
Yeah, so it seems like that is probably doing an
auto correct. Yes, so I really don't under you know,
I'm I can barely operate. I can navigate my cell
phone and that's it. But you know, so I don't
have any real fears of the because I don't know
enough about it. But I think we all gave away

(01:16:59):
a lot of We gave it up when we accepted
cell phone into our lives CPS.

Speaker 3 (01:17:09):
Yes, you know where I'm going with I'm not a
you know.

Speaker 17 (01:17:13):
I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:17:15):
When you think of the doctors there, and we're always
hearing that they're they're short, particularly in the countrysides, in
small towns and vi cargo, there's no doctors, so you know,
so if it makes them more efficient to see more people,
then it probably makes sense because its probably quite boring.
You have a temnent consultation. Then you're probably writing down
notes for ten minutes or something. So it just speeds
everything up, so it makes them more efficient.

Speaker 7 (01:17:39):
I don't have a problem with it. I mean, you know,
people go on to be able docks being too expensive
and and I've wrote I spoke to Andrew Dickens the
other day about you know, they want the governments suggesting
go to your doctor like twice a year or once
a year, and I reckon, get in front of your doc.
Whatever's ailing, you get in front of your doc in person,

(01:18:03):
because they see things that we're not doctors. We don't know.
They might spot a discoloration on the skin or a
twitch in the eye. You know, we're on move on.

Speaker 3 (01:18:14):
Yeah, No, I agree. You nice to talk to you. Tim,
hold your horse's pedal to come with you. Seeing sixteen
past ten.

Speaker 5 (01:18:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:18:19):
I find that's very interesting about that, because I didn't
hear about the situation with doctors that they are using
check GPT. It feels like it's only a year old,
but people have uptaken it quite quickly, haven't they. Chris,
good evening, Oh.

Speaker 18 (01:18:37):
Good evening, Marcus. I've only just churned in a few
quarters ago, so It just made me brought up a
memory for me from a year ago when I went
to the doctor and my practice, but I couldn't see
my own GPL, so it was a different one. And
I was quite stunned because they said they were recording it.

(01:18:58):
And I went home and I was I had nothing
explained to me, so I was quite upset about that.

Speaker 3 (01:19:05):
So I rang, understand, I can understand that.

Speaker 18 (01:19:08):
I didn't understand anything, and just said it was being recorded,
that's all. And it made I felt really bad. I
have never heard of this. Then this is going back
at least about a year.

Speaker 3 (01:19:19):
Were you worried about were you worried about confidentiality of
private details?

Speaker 18 (01:19:23):
I didn't know why they were recording it because no
one explained anything or even I'd never heard of it.
So I rung spoke to the nurse and said I
wasn't happy when I got home and kept thinking about it,
and she said, ah, it only picks up medical terms
in a conversation. I mean, you could say something else

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in your conversation about something irrelevant but irrelevant, but it
will only pick up anything medical and it'll pick up
that and process there. And I said, well, someone could
have explained that to me, So that wasn't very good
in my experience at all.

Speaker 3 (01:20:01):
I think it's taken a while for me to understand
what they would do, so that's I can understand your concerns.

Speaker 18 (01:20:07):
Yeah, it wasn't okay, and they did explain it picks
up medical terms only, but yeah, and I.

Speaker 3 (01:20:15):
Think then that conversation would not be taped, so the
only record of it would be your medical records, and
I'm sure you'd be free to read those, they'd let
you do that. I don't know if I presume you
could read your own records. I don't know them.

Speaker 2 (01:20:27):
Well.

Speaker 18 (01:20:27):
I've never heard it again since in the same practice.
No one's mentioned it or used it again. So did
I hear you say it's been out for about a year.

Speaker 3 (01:20:37):
I'm just trying to think. I just trying to think. Look,
I think check gpt' has been out for a year
or two. It strikes me about how amazingly cricket's been
but it might be two years.

Speaker 18 (01:20:45):
But yeah, Yeah, Anyway, I think it's quite upsetting to
someone that didn't know about it, or even you say,
an elderly person, or they just think they're being recorded,
and it seems very invasive when you understand.

Speaker 3 (01:20:58):
And AI is confusing because you know it's even the
people that invented the A I don't fully know how
it works. You know the fact that it's to learn
things through reading stuff. It is quite a complicated beast.
So then you're explaining to someone it's and I imagine
it's hard for the person running their practice to explain
to everyone because I wouldn't know what base level they've got.

Speaker 18 (01:21:19):
No, I don't mind now that I understand it a
bit better that they say about medical terms only fixed up.
But if i'd had that explained to me at the.

Speaker 3 (01:21:26):
Beginning, someone's texted me and said, it's not chet GP,
it's Heidi. It transcribes notes, it doesn't do diagnosis. It
listens but doesn't record audio.

Speaker 13 (01:21:38):
Yes, and I.

Speaker 18 (01:21:39):
Hadn't had a clue what they were doing, And it
was only when I got home I thought about It
didn't sit.

Speaker 3 (01:21:44):
Well with me, But it sits well with you now,
Oh what they explained it?

Speaker 18 (01:21:50):
Okay, well it kind of does. I haven't had it
set again, but I asked again of me if i'd
had it. But I just think it was so feign
to me that I was flowing away here.

Speaker 3 (01:22:02):
Ye, Chris, thank you. And that's why it's good as
a conversation because hopefully people are listening, and they are.
That's on the radio. That's what you're going to.

Speaker 2 (01:22:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:22:08):
I like discussions like this because you hear about things
that might happen to you.

Speaker 19 (01:22:14):
Hi.

Speaker 3 (01:22:14):
I didn't know why they called it, Heidi evening Clear
Marcus welcome.

Speaker 16 (01:22:19):
Hello Marcus. It's clear from Dunedin here changing the pug.
I just wondered if there's anybody out there that could
give us a number. I have got an O nine
number for Sky Television. This afternoon, I turned the TV
on and it said no signal, check the external input,

(01:22:43):
et cetera, et cetera. So we managed to get an
O nine number, which is Auckland, and we got put
through straight away to the Philippines. And after about half
an hour of the lady they're trying to tell us
what to do, still no joy. And at the end

(01:23:04):
of it, after about half an hour, he said, we
will send a technician on Tuesday. I thought, Tuesday, that's
five days, I don't think. So we've got the All
Blacks playing on Saturday night and we've got no Sky
we've got no television, we couldn't get the news nothing.

(01:23:25):
So I just wondered if anybody else in New Zealand
has the same problem. We've got a new black box
about or a year or so ago, so I just
wondered if there's someone out there that's got.

Speaker 3 (01:23:37):
A If you told the woman that it's not not
coming till Tuesday, when's the person coming now?

Speaker 16 (01:23:46):
Well, no, she said that's the only time that they
can come is Tuesday, which doesn't sit well with us
when we pay one hundred and twenty dollars a month
for Sky.

Speaker 3 (01:24:04):
What I can if you listen to talkback? Do you
listen to talk back much? Yes, it feels to be.
About four or five months ago, a lot of people
were ringing with these sorts of discussions, right, And what's
happened with Sky is that they have got rid of

(01:24:25):
all their technicians and they've got Downer to work to
do the technical service to come around to people's houses.
But the Downer technicians were paid a lot less money
than they were getting at Sky, so the Sky people
didn't transfer to work it Downer. So they've very short
of technicians. And at the same time, also they've changed

(01:24:48):
their satellite because the satellite was crashing to Earth. So
they've changed their satellite, and the satellite's not as good
for people that live in the extremities. But people have
been waiting weeks and weeks and weeks for the sky
person to come around. So if you're to kick off,
when they said they're going to be around tuesday, I
thought that was remarkably soon compared to what other people
have heard.

Speaker 16 (01:25:09):
Oh, for heaven's sake, it's ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (01:25:14):
So what do you want from me?

Speaker 15 (01:25:15):
You want smartest?

Speaker 3 (01:25:16):
No, but you'll be desperate to watch your rugby and
that's what it is. So I'm sure you'll still keep
your subscription.

Speaker 10 (01:25:22):
Won't you.

Speaker 16 (01:25:25):
I don't know about that. We'll have to think about
that one.

Speaker 3 (01:25:27):
I think you will keep it because the husband likes
his rugby, right, Yeah, Well that's heard hooked on it.
You know they've got you. They've got you. You don't
want to go. You don't want to go to the
pub and watch it, do you? You can't go to
the neighbors.

Speaker 5 (01:25:41):
Wow, we could.

Speaker 3 (01:25:42):
It's neighbors though, is it it is?

Speaker 16 (01:25:46):
It would be very pleasant at the neighbors.

Speaker 3 (01:25:48):
But you can't say things you can't say things you
can say at home with the neighbors, can you. You
can't say that, bloody Scott Robertson.

Speaker 16 (01:25:56):
All depends, It all depends what the neighbors are like
and how friendly you are with them.

Speaker 3 (01:26:02):
So it's not looking good for you. Clear, and I
reckon come Tuesday. I reckon Tuesday. The chance they'll turn
up about twenty.

Speaker 19 (01:26:08):
Percent they'll turn up on Tuesday.

Speaker 3 (01:26:13):
You probably missed the World Cup the rate it's going.

Speaker 16 (01:26:16):
Oh oh, Marcus, I thought you'd have a magic aren't no, No.

Speaker 3 (01:26:24):
But someone else the other people calling in any way,
Clear to keep listening. But yeah we heard, didn't hear
good answers, And all the calls are like that. Went
to the Philippine quite often, people say the Philippines. I
finally got through that. They talk about the person not
really understanding English. You're likely to talk to a person

(01:26:46):
not chet GPTII. Jan It's Marcus. Is this Jen Jen
or Jan? Janet's Marcus? Welcome?

Speaker 31 (01:26:58):
Yeah, Hi, I'm just listening to the lady with the
sky problem. I had the same thing about a month
ago and got hold of Sky and they said turn
it off at the wall, leave it off for a
few minutes, turn it back on. Wait for the blue

(01:27:18):
light to come up on your black box, and it cleared.

Speaker 4 (01:27:22):
It in a way.

Speaker 3 (01:27:23):
I went, okerhaps, she's listening to that. I didn't ask
what did she say? What was wrong with the TV?
Then I kind of glazed out a bit.

Speaker 31 (01:27:30):
Yeah, no, she said it was came up with no
signal available, which happens during bad weather. But I just
was turned off at the wall, turned back on and bobsy.

Speaker 3 (01:27:44):
Do is going, hang on to Jane, what's that word,
bobbsey Do?

Speaker 5 (01:27:47):
I like that?

Speaker 31 (01:27:50):
Yeah, anyway, I hope that helps.

Speaker 3 (01:27:53):
Me too, because she sounds grizzly with it. Marcus, this
just happened to my elderly dad. No sky for three
weeks running for a tech exclamation mark in christ Church,
full stop sky Ford to credit him for those weeks.
He couldn't see it. Pathetic. She is Annie, she goes,

(01:28:18):
skygoes she's got chrome cast. I couldn't be able to
explain that to her. Did you think do you think
she know like something had crome cast? Then would she
sound like something had chrome cast?

Speaker 13 (01:28:27):
I don't like to know.

Speaker 3 (01:28:28):
I don't think so everyone's got alexa. My doctor's practice
has a notice at the front desk that devised the
sessions would be recorded with patient permission. Then doctor repeated
the advice, adding the recording is deleted with the twenty
five hours pybe enough for a data leak, though, wouldn't it? Heidi, Heidi, Heidi,

(01:28:55):
she's the one doing the transcription. Pathetic? What do they
call a doctor's practice? Should be more than that, shouldn't it.
Greetings and welcome people. Good evening, Pete. This is Marcus.

Speaker 11 (01:29:10):
Hello, Hi Marcus. So I'm just going to pull my
car over. I manage a medical practice.

Speaker 3 (01:29:17):
Oh good?

Speaker 14 (01:29:19):
So I thought I could offer I guess a little
bit of.

Speaker 6 (01:29:23):
A little bit of perspective around the AI piece in
general practice.

Speaker 3 (01:29:26):
All happened quite quick, didn't it. But good on you?

Speaker 12 (01:29:29):
Well I did it?

Speaker 5 (01:29:30):
Did?

Speaker 19 (01:29:31):
I mean?

Speaker 6 (01:29:31):
I don't know how much time we've gotten had that
you want me to go? So, Hidi?

Speaker 16 (01:29:35):
Is the.

Speaker 6 (01:29:37):
Program doujore? At the moment prior to highly was a
program called Hendler consent critical so obtaining content and a
lot of practices do that both by having notices in
the waiting room and notice consults and then verbally content
the patient as well. And the reason I was compelled
to call is What it does is that, yes, it

(01:29:59):
records the consult but HIDI.

Speaker 11 (01:30:03):
For example, which is the one to use at.

Speaker 6 (01:30:05):
The moment quotient, has an anonymized anonymizing function, So it
takes so information about you, Marcus is obviously pertinent to
you and private to you. But if you take your
identifying details away from it, it's just information, isn't it.

Speaker 11 (01:30:21):
So you could have a.

Speaker 6 (01:30:24):
Whatever, whatever it is, a disease or what do you
But if I take your name out of this, out
of that, and I take any identifying like your NHI
number out of that, then it's just information and therefore
not doesn't hit the barrier of being kind of personal ideaifiable.
And so essentially what HEIDI does is it records and listens.
It sends an information on an anonymized basis away to

(01:30:45):
what's called a large language model that then formulates the
consult into what they call soap notes. And I'm going
to embarrass myself because I can't quote subjective object of.

Speaker 11 (01:30:56):
Something or other than plan.

Speaker 6 (01:30:58):
And essentially, like our GP's report, it probably saves them
about twenty minutes persession and allows them to interface or
interact to patients you know, a lot, a lot easier,
I suppose.

Speaker 3 (01:31:09):
Because there is it is it is it the actual
voice that sends a way to the master computer or
just the transcript of your voice? Okay, because your voice
would be identifying as well. So you're saying most GPS,
most GPS, once they have a consult, is it then
twenty minutes to write up the note to there? How
long it takes?

Speaker 16 (01:31:27):
No?

Speaker 6 (01:31:27):
No, No, typical GP consult then obviously furious, greatnice to
practice markus. But a typical GP consult, you know they
consult will say four hours. And so I think a
lot of people don't understand, and I didn't until a
root in a sector that I guess that the administrative
burden on GPS, I think a lot more has been
made at the recent times, but it's pretty substantial. So

(01:31:49):
a GP might work say successions a week, right, which
is six by four is twenty four hours, So you
get paid for twenty four hours. The burden the actual
work required to dis challenge the responsibilities of twenty four
hours winds up being forty forty four hours. Anything anything
you as a practice can do to so just.

Speaker 3 (01:32:10):
Just just don't want to push back on this Just
to clarify, are you saying they write up their notes
after they've done their four hour session.

Speaker 10 (01:32:17):
Typically, Yeah, okay, I didn't know.

Speaker 3 (01:32:19):
I thought they'd do them fresh on the back. But
that's interesting. Okay, thank you.

Speaker 15 (01:32:24):
Yeah, you try to your minds.

Speaker 6 (01:32:25):
You've got in a role population managing. So I'm not
just having in the patience I've seen today. I've got
referrals I've got to deal with. I've got results coming
into me bland results, theohold up. So yeah, anything, and
so when you go to AI there is it doesn't
do it, yes, but yeah, there is some suggestion that
actually it will suggest and that some of them do
where it can write and referraly to call a talk

(01:32:48):
about that. And that you mentioned about whether it's prescribing
the medication will No, it's not, and the GP remains
absolutely liable, shall we say, for it, So the VP
must now that's just a big dumb machine and that
it doesn't it doesn't diagnose. And actually our cohorted GPS
were very much against anything that would take this human

(01:33:08):
voice out. So it's been a bit of an adjustment.
But it's it's undeniable what it can what it.

Speaker 3 (01:33:14):
Can provide again, Pete, have you see the notes other
notes come back as a set of data or are
they in English with with sentences?

Speaker 6 (01:33:23):
NEI, they're in English. It just that it takes the
noise out of it, so noise, it takes noisy conversation
and turns it in't really structured medical notes.

Speaker 3 (01:33:32):
So it might say Mark Marcus is overweight with Yeah,
so I'll just say it in sentences exactly what what
I presented with.

Speaker 18 (01:33:40):
Yeah, I when we.

Speaker 6 (01:33:42):
Brought it and I did a mock contact with the
GP because we have to. We'll do paintosisions and what's
called a privacy impact assessment as well. That's pretty critical
and certainly the sector has been very strong on that.
So you've got to you've got to consider, you know,
the sovereignty, the information, all that sort of stuff. But yeah,
I did. I did a phone contact with the GP
and I walked down and said, you know what's going

(01:34:04):
on today, I've got a source throat and da da
da da da, and we just had a conversation about it.
And what comes back as Pete has a sauce row
no exodite data, you know, in a very at a
bullet point, very kind of structured fashion. It goes through
a little bit of the personal aspect of it, I
spouse sure, but in terms of what it captures, and
of course the GPS must read them before they're so

(01:34:26):
that there's another step where the notes come back immediately
pretty well, but then they're you know, the GP reviews
them before they're but before they form part of the
patient record.

Speaker 3 (01:34:35):
And just other question. While I've got you there, go
on phone consults. They've become quite a big deal, have they.

Speaker 6 (01:34:45):
The government certainly things to think so, don't they, Yes, yep,
they have so Again our practice, and we're a large practice,
we don't find that the patient patients have much demand
for it. If I'm honest, I think I think that
actually many most many patients, many patients feel don't feel

(01:35:07):
like they're getting value for a consult. At least they're
seen in person. There's a flip side that, where you know,
I'm very busy practice. If I want to see my
doctor or if I know it's I don't require a
physical exam, well I can avoid a waiting room and
I can avoid the face to face and get what
I need. I think the problem becomes the proliferation of
just chucking antibiotics and everything, and and I think that

(01:35:30):
will be that's a that's a real concern. So I
can call tally how say I've got this problem, and
they go asked people just prescribe some antibiotics. TOBA obviously
isn't always clinically right.

Speaker 3 (01:35:40):
So you're saying that the that the diagnosis won't be
as accurate because as a physical and presenting physically.

Speaker 6 (01:35:48):
To the to the I can't play that on non
clinical yet I wouldn't cast this versions, but I think
the patient. I think it's it's an evolving thing. I
think obviously the government's put a big investment and I
think I think you'll find that the the GDP is working.
Those telehealth lines are getting reasonably well paid to disquality.

(01:36:14):
So I think it's an interesting ned by the government
and signaling where they see value. But there's no doubt
that actually, you know, you've got a stretched workforce and
teallyhealth is the answer in some situations where accessibility is a.

Speaker 3 (01:36:27):
Common Can you tell me? Can you tell me? So,
I know there's a health line, but telehealth as they
set up something else called telehealth, is that something They've
got doctors that will do and separate doctors that will
do prescriptions. That is it a separate thing telehealth.

Speaker 6 (01:36:43):
So the government's just brought out the new twenty four
to seven or that contracted a bunch of providers for
twenty four seven telehealth service.

Speaker 3 (01:36:50):
Okay, so okays, and it charged for it.

Speaker 19 (01:36:56):
Yeah, yeah you are.

Speaker 6 (01:36:57):
And I mean the good news is no callback on
practice because often, you know, often practices have to contribute
to the local after ours and the GPS have to
work with the after hours as well. And so I
think the smart thing about Telly health is there really
quiet times tend to be between say two and four
he and so why would I have a doctor sitting
there doing nothing when actually they could just be on

(01:37:18):
call and take a take a phone call and you
know a lot of stuff could be dealt with potentially. Ever, say,
it's not for me to say from it.

Speaker 3 (01:37:25):
Because okay, so there is yet if you ever got
a GP you need help at tur in the morning,
you can call telehealth and they'll give you a consult
and I'll charge you for it. That's the way it works.

Speaker 6 (01:37:34):
Yep, they will, that's it yep.

Speaker 3 (01:37:36):
And would health line because that phone number health Line,
they'd refer people to telehealth as well, would they?

Speaker 6 (01:37:40):
I guess, I suspect so health fine staff predominantly by nurses.

Speaker 5 (01:37:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:37:45):
That was my understanding too.

Speaker 6 (01:37:47):
Is they always are on the side of caution, so
you need to there's anything that they're slightly worried about,
I reckon, I suspect they would refee. I mean that's
you know, the new twenty four seven service, which is
I think there's seven or eight providers that have ducked
and taken you are providing services to it. I think
it's a bit new, but I expect that would be
the case because because you've got it the side of caution,
can't you.

Speaker 3 (01:38:07):
Know, okay and just beg that they all use HARDI
that's the model they will use. It seems to be universal.

Speaker 6 (01:38:15):
So the first one heidi and the Heidi can be
embedded in some practice management systems or or there are
practice management systems now that are coming out that has
al and some use B T T BE here and
in other sort of But there's two sort of parts
to it. There's a bit that's listening and making the
sw notes and then what they call a large language model,

(01:38:36):
which is translating taking the noise out of the conversation
with structure to.

Speaker 10 (01:38:40):
It, and you.

Speaker 6 (01:38:43):
Do you bar renal, you pay rental. Okay, it's not
it's not. It's not an expense. But I've got I've
got doctors that do not want ever to practice without it.

Speaker 10 (01:38:56):
Again, Yeah I can.

Speaker 6 (01:38:58):
I think the people are and I sense practicing from
yourself some concern and it's probably that's part of that's part.

Speaker 3 (01:39:07):
Of my that's part that's part of my job to
stir up concern. Well not really, not really but but
but but then people will ring up and articulate to
me what that concern is. Then someone will ring back
and address it like you have so.

Speaker 6 (01:39:19):
So yeah, well I think, yeah, I think hope hopefully
and certainly our GPS is down that it actually enables
a more fulsome yep conversation because you're not panicked about
trying to write notes while.

Speaker 10 (01:39:31):
You're going on, You're you're more present conversational.

Speaker 6 (01:39:34):
Ye, very much so, Yeah, lovely.

Speaker 3 (01:39:36):
To talk Pete. Really appreciate that. Thank you fulsome and
your art is good stuff. Nineteen to tw eleven. Oh,
very interesting. I found that all about Heidi Marcus. I
used a service called pocket Lab because my regular GP
was booked up for two weeks. It costs sixty nine dollars. Marcus.
Some of UNI students, I use AI as a tool
to break down my assignment into more manageable pieces, which

(01:39:58):
is helpful as a student with dyslexia. Also have a
very helpful to assistant researching. I'd like to say that
I don't use it to write my assiglements for me.
Emily HARDI is not infallible. You need to check your
clinical records. You wrote down mine and correctly and took
the GP wiks to correct regards Karleen, Sky number nine

(01:40:20):
two five five five five five orcan work for me, Marcus.
My Sky goes into standby when the light red goes on,
So every time I turn the TV on and says
no single, so I aim the SCAR remote of the
box and push the Sky button the single back on
the TV, and I hope it's easy for the lad
to try that. Marcus Isuan Chrost, which I can look

(01:40:41):
for free. Can't let them miss the rugby. I've never
asked for Sky. I've never paid a cent for Sky.
I don't have a Sky console. A by received Sky
Sport and movies on my smart TV.

Speaker 1 (01:40:53):
Here.

Speaker 3 (01:40:53):
I'm not ringing them to find out why I couldn't
afford it if I had to pay bonus.

Speaker 5 (01:40:59):
Bernard Marcus, welcome, Hello Marcus here talking about it there?

Speaker 3 (01:41:06):
Yes, yes, all here.

Speaker 5 (01:41:07):
Yeah, he was talking about AI Electric jug packed up,
said the other day, and I went online and found
out the new one was going to be about one
hundred and forty bucks. And my daughter says, chat g GPT.
So I went into chat GPT and I got one
from a Australian firm, but they must have a base

(01:41:29):
here in New Zealand for seventy two dollars. It was
carrier in an all.

Speaker 3 (01:41:36):
Did you ask? Did you ask? What did you ask?
Chet GPT.

Speaker 5 (01:41:41):
A particular jug. I knew the Russell Hobbs brand and
I knew the model number. That was, as I say,
two dollars another company here in New Zealand. So I
just put that into chat GPT and I said what's
the best price, and they came back with this. I
presume it's a male order type firm that doesn't have

(01:42:03):
to have a sta physical shop, but yeah, and arrived
in about three days. I was very impressed.

Speaker 3 (01:42:11):
Wow, you've got a good daughter there.

Speaker 5 (01:42:13):
Yeah, yeah, well, she's apparently uses it quite a bit.
She works for a large firm, and you know they
used chet GPT quite a bit apparently. So it was
half the price, yes, yeah, and that was there was
sixty memory sixty two dollars or something like that for

(01:42:33):
the jug plus seven or eight dollars for the for
the courier.

Speaker 3 (01:42:38):
So you can you can imagine that would be right,
You can imagine because I'm measure you're at no Leaving
or Harvey Normal or something, some giant store and there'll
be a lot of staff and a lot of real estate.

Speaker 5 (01:42:46):
Wouldn't they right hyah, Yeah, so no, I'm quite a
fan of.

Speaker 3 (01:42:51):
And they probably haven't even got an office in the country.
It probably comes straight from the factory. They just ship
it up and it arrives.

Speaker 5 (01:42:57):
Yeah. Well, as I say, I imagine it must be
in New Zealand here perhaps even I'm in Auckland, so
I'm presuming it's in Auckland. And yeah, but then three
days it was here, so either it was express earphraated
over from Australia or yeah, must have an a warehouse
here and he's on somewhere.

Speaker 3 (01:43:18):
So great, Colbert, thank you for that. In the voting
age luring to sixteen in the UK for the next election.
We don't seem to talk about that here. When did
we stop becoming a progressive democracy? I'm sure we gave

(01:43:39):
the women the vote, but not much changed since then?

Speaker 5 (01:43:41):
Did it.

Speaker 3 (01:43:43):
Just put it out there? People get really freaked out
when I mentioned that anyway, or they just vote for
what their parents tell them to. Exactly what they said
when we gave women the vote. They say, oh, they'll
just vote what their husbands tell.

Speaker 5 (01:43:59):
Them to.

Speaker 3 (01:44:02):
Anyway, Just chopping that off at the pass.

Speaker 5 (01:44:05):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:44:06):
Well, it would be interested to know how many tattoo
parlors there are in the country, if they're increasing or
deck o' and if people are still right in the
middle of loving it or it's on its way down.
Haven't quite worked that out yet. Disney Land open its
doors for the first time nineteen fifty five. Yep, Me
and comp published nineteen twenty five. Oh you might have

(01:44:30):
seen the fight to last night. What's your take on that?

Speaker 16 (01:44:37):
And good on?

Speaker 3 (01:44:38):
Winston Peters. He's thrown a support behind the train from
Hamilton to walkan Toho. You having a Sunday service. He
signaled that the interregional rail could become a political bargaining
ship at the twenty twenty six general elections. Always been

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pro rail, Winston. We funded to Who you Are when
it was responsible for a whale, so it's great to
set it. Except expectations are now off for Sunday services,
so there we go. So it could always the negotiations
could be about rail. I think he's a rail minister

(01:45:22):
now too, isn't he. Simeon Brown has criticized to Who
you Are, but he'd be a road lover, So there
we go. You got my support on that one, Winston.
Good evening, Bruce, it's Marcus. Welcome.

Speaker 8 (01:45:43):
Yeah, hi Marcus, how are you good?

Speaker 3 (01:45:45):
Thanks? Bruce?

Speaker 8 (01:45:46):
Go ahead, hey listen, I just want to you mentioned
me up to who Are You don't know how fantastic
it is. But this new Sunday service it leaves Hamilton
at two forty five on a Sunday, it gets up
to Walkton just after five and it leaves to come
back back again at six fifteen.

Speaker 3 (01:46:08):
Not that useful is it?

Speaker 8 (01:46:10):
So you're not going to it's an absolute waste of money.
It's costing as eighty dollars a passenger as it is
now so little.

Speaker 3 (01:46:18):
Even more, I presume it be all presuming to be
all to do with when they get the rail loop
going and they can actually accommodate more trains.

Speaker 8 (01:46:26):
Well, how's that going to help?

Speaker 16 (01:46:30):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:46:30):
Because because they can run trains a lot more efficiently
on the Auckland train network.

Speaker 8 (01:46:35):
It won't it be an electric train going through that
part of it?

Speaker 5 (01:46:38):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:46:39):
Yeah, I think there's some sort of there's some sort of.

Speaker 24 (01:46:44):
I think it's not electric, but I think.

Speaker 3 (01:46:47):
It allows for more for more room through that. I'll
check up on those details. Anyways.

Speaker 8 (01:46:52):
Yeah, that's it. No, absolutely, but you would.

Speaker 3 (01:46:56):
Be You wouldn't be a trained guy anyway, are you.

Speaker 7 (01:46:58):
No?

Speaker 8 (01:46:59):
No, I love trains, Oh okay, yeah, Now I've been
around Australia and trains. I've done all of those. I've
done the Wellington train. Yeah No, I love trains, but
I hate to see money wasted that time.

Speaker 3 (01:47:12):
Although I mean a lot of money gets rated on roads.
You look at the well we use them a lot, Yeah,
but they get clogged up. Then you've got to build
more roads. That's the trouble. By having trained you might
need to prevent needing new roads because you're taking cars
off the road. So it's an interesting economic exercise. But
thank you, Bruce, is Steffanie, Marcus welcome and the Marcus.

(01:47:34):
Good Steffanie, what's happening.

Speaker 19 (01:47:36):
I'm back on the road next week.

Speaker 3 (01:47:37):
So what's happened to you? You've been off for hell?

Speaker 19 (01:47:41):
I had that accident back in February. Yeah, and I
went back to work after three weeks, and then by
eastern my knee was still swollen and very painful, and
went back to the GP and had ultrasound on it
which picked up some damage in there. So then it
was referred to a surgeon for an MRI and that

(01:48:03):
came back as the ACL was to on, the PCL
was mapped and the miniscus was preaking in places where
it shouldn't have been facing. So yep, that was a
couple of weeks after that. ATC approved the surgery to
tidy it up. The surgeon said, if I was in

(01:48:24):
my twenties, I would have got total knee reconstruction, but
because I'm not, they wouldn't fund that, so or just
a tidy up in there went in the nine o'clock
in the morning, fast four of home. No walking stick,
no crutches, no pain.

Speaker 3 (01:48:42):
Well that's something, isn't it?

Speaker 2 (01:48:44):
Yep?

Speaker 19 (01:48:44):
And so I've got yesterday, I got the clearance to
go back to work next week and I am loving it.

Speaker 3 (01:48:51):
Wow, okay, good.

Speaker 19 (01:48:55):
It's been just too long, too long off the road.

Speaker 3 (01:48:59):
Yeah, you would have got one beer.

Speaker 19 (01:49:02):
I missed it. I miss it, but you know, the
pain just wouldn't go way. And but it's good now,
so physio and getting it better. But the surgeon did
say there's nothing there to hold the kneed togither now,
so I've got to use the carf muscles and the
thigh muscles sort of support the knee.

Speaker 3 (01:49:24):
So what what was the what had caused the damage
to the need?

Speaker 19 (01:49:27):
Did you say the crash I had back in Februy. Yeah,
the top of the shin hit the dash and stopped,
so the thigh kept moving across the top of the
knee and then come back and as it went across
the top, it tore the a C L, snapped the fief,
the L and the minute.

Speaker 15 (01:49:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:49:48):
Okay, yeah, so was it.

Speaker 3 (01:49:51):
There wasn't any pre existing damage. It was all from
the crash.

Speaker 19 (01:49:54):
Yep, all from the crash. And people were saying, oh,
you should have got a knee replacement well, there's nothing
wrong with the bones, it's everything else that was in there. Yeah,
because you Yeah, so it's all tidied up and oh mate,
it's just totally different. We can easily walk up and downstairs.

Speaker 3 (01:50:16):
So so you reckon the results? Perfect?

Speaker 19 (01:50:19):
Oh it's as good as I'm going to get.

Speaker 3 (01:50:22):
Yeah, that's exciting.

Speaker 19 (01:50:23):
Yeah, it's the best option. Would have been total knee reconstruction,
with joining the PCL back to the bone and the
aco getting fixed. It turnt a lot on my twenties.
It wasn't an options, but this is an ex best.

Speaker 3 (01:50:41):
So what are you gonna When do you go back?

Speaker 19 (01:50:44):
Tuesday night?

Speaker 3 (01:50:45):
Okay, that's not long now.

Speaker 19 (01:50:48):
First it's running back to Wellington.

Speaker 3 (01:50:50):
Okay, good.

Speaker 19 (01:50:52):
Back on the same True, it's not.

Speaker 3 (01:50:54):
The snows covering, and I hope you get a clear run.
What have you done with your time off? You've spent
it wise?

Speaker 19 (01:50:58):
Oh yeah, I've watched some TV. I've done exercises. I
brought some remote control toys to play with, mainly trucks
and loaders and figguers. You know, you've got to keep
yourself occupied somehow. Yeah, it's it's been been a while,

(01:51:21):
but I'm looking forward to getting back.

Speaker 3 (01:51:23):
How long has it been.

Speaker 19 (01:51:26):
Since Easter?

Speaker 3 (01:51:27):
Yeah, okay, that's it four months, isn't it.

Speaker 19 (01:51:30):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's been a long time off work.
The longest part was waiting to get in to see
the surgeon.

Speaker 31 (01:51:44):
And then.

Speaker 19 (01:51:46):
Once I got in to see him, we got d
M A right done so we knew exactly what was
wrong with it. And then ACC come through pretty quick
with the funding for the surgery. And yeah, and that
was only three weeks ago.

Speaker 3 (01:52:02):
Great, oh, well, good to have you back. Good you
back on the right with the report. Stiffe. Nice to
hear from you. Thank you for that. That's great. Tony Marcus, welcome, Matu.

Speaker 12 (01:52:13):
Just who you're talking about ACC. And I remember probably
twenty sixteen, I think I had a got a week
tear in my miscule miniscule cartilage on my knee. Yes,
that was all right. I was going to work and
I was hopping around and you know, doing my thing,

(01:52:35):
and it went crack one day and it really gave
me a hellth is that? And I ran into the
Health and Safety lady's office and said, oh, you got
an ice pick? You know ice my nage goes, Oh
is it your knee planner? I was like, yeah, he
goes now that it's nor make injury, Well, don't come
back until you got it sorted, you know, until it's healed.

(01:52:58):
I was like, okay, So that was all right. So
I was going a physio and doing all exercises and
all of that, and two and now three weeks, you know,
I was back at work. Fine.

Speaker 10 (01:53:10):
One.

Speaker 12 (01:53:12):
But what got me was at the end of the
financial year, I got a bill from the text Department
saying that I had had secondary employment and I owed
them three hundred dollars. Oh and I'm not sure how
receiving conversation from a CEC for for non week injury

(01:53:34):
become secondary employment.

Speaker 3 (01:53:39):
Yeah yeah, but this is this is nine years ago,
isn't it.

Speaker 4 (01:53:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:53:46):
Yeah. Well I argued with them, and I went to
quite high up and then acsisys them and system and
the lady said, yeah, I know, it's you know, it's
not right, you know. I said, well, you're you're the boss.
You know, maybe you need to talk to some people
about this because I'm getting charged secondary tax for being

(01:54:07):
non work acc and and I had to pay them
three hundred dollars. Well, I didn't pay it till the
last day until the you know, before the end of
the next financial year, so I had to pay before
I started incurring penalties. But that was okay. But what

(01:54:27):
concerns me is last year twenty twenty four, I got
really badly assaulted outside of work, obviously, and I spent
eight to ten weeks on compensation through a SEC and
I'm just really worried about you know, I haven't had
my what do you call it, my taxing come through

(01:54:51):
it for the end of the year. How much am
I going to get slammed this time?

Speaker 7 (01:54:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:54:58):
And what do you think, what are the out what
do you suspect the ards is going to be?

Speaker 12 (01:55:02):
Well, I suspect on you know, I had three weeks,
so this was eight to teen weeks, so I'm thinking,
you know, three nine weeks, okay, So for three weeks
off it was three hundred dollars, So I think I'm
going to have him nine hundred and two thousand dollars
in secondary text. And I just don't understand how that works.

Speaker 3 (01:55:27):
I see if I get someone to explain it, but
it's not something I've got an experience with, Tony. But
thank you for your call. Marcus. Looking at the train
schedule for Sunday. It looks like it's for people staying
over the week. In each location, I can see students
come back to UNI after being home for the weekend.
Both ways, Hamilton's Hamiltonian's going home out a weekend and
evented all et cetera, cheers in you. That would be
my understanding of it. That's what I surmised. Tell that

(01:55:50):
guy with acc and text to check his tax code
shouldn't be secondary text. That person might be an accountant. Marcus,
I can't think about AI anymore. Lowell got to focus
on the positive stuff for it's too much. I don't

(01:56:15):
think people should have gone for AI written letters. Think
about where this could lead people losing the ability to write.
I can see that Marcus AI listens to all your
problems and gives you advice, guidance and solutions. I think
some people do use as a therapist. I don't know
if that's advised. That's probably very dodgy. But welcome here

(01:56:39):
to twelve. If you want to get in touch by
name as Marcus good evening as I say, oh eight
hundred eighty ten eighty and nineteen nine two to text,
I would love to hear from you. If you're doing
a talk. There's something else you want to mention. As
I say, get in touch eight hundred eighty tenenty and
nine two nine two to text. What about those people

(01:57:00):
got sent to jail for chopping down that tree in
the UK? Thought that was excessive four years. I guess
it'll stop the tree knockers.

Speaker 5 (01:57:12):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:57:12):
Some more stuff about the Air India Investigation UM investigation
into the Air Indian plane crash looking into the captain
who remained calm as the first officer panicked about the

(01:57:32):
fuel supply to the engine's being cut off. A black
box recording of their conversation suggest it was the captain,
Samit Sabawal who turned off the switches, according to the
sources close to the US side of the probe. The
Wall Street Journal reports that US pilots will reviewed the

(01:57:55):
Indian investigation believes First Officer Clive Konda, who was flying
the aircraft, would likely have had his hands full trying
to keep the bow dreamline is steady. That responsibility would
have left the captain, who was acting as the monitoring pilot,

(01:58:16):
free to overseas the operation and possibly make adjustments. According
to the official report, two crucial switches were flipped off
one after the other exactly a second apart. Ten seconds later,
both switches were turned back on. The jetliners slammed into

(01:58:41):
the ground as we know cunning two four two on board.
The report comes after investigators focused on the pilot's medical records,
as it claims one of them had depression and mental
health issues. The switches locking feature meant pilots had to
lift them up before changing their position. They are not

(01:59:02):
simple push buttons which can be accidentally turned off. Now
investigators have begun to analyze the behavior of the pilot
and already several Indian pilots have illegally confirmed that the

(01:59:26):
well experienced pilot had suffered from poor mental health. Wow,
he was considering earlier a pritima the next couple of
years and plaid to look after his early father aged sixty.

(01:59:50):
So it looks like that's really firming up as the cause,
doesn't it. And Sunday, a primary report released by the
Indian authorities led to questions about why the pilot would
have been manually too the switches off, and whether it
was a liberate or a catastrophic mistake. The report said.

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In the cockpit voice recording, one of the pilots who
had asking the other why did he cut off The
other pilot responded that he did not do so. Pilots
will turn the switches on and off at the correct
times in every flight, but this time the fuel was
cut off straight after takeoff and the landing gear was

(02:00:32):
not raised. His report added that the switches were flipped
back to run seconds afterwards, which started the process of
re lighting the engines. One of the engines had relt
but had not gained power, while the other was in
the process of regaining power. At the crash site, both

(02:00:53):
switches were found in the run position, so both pilots
had adequate rest. They'd followed the breath analyzer tests. There
were no dangerous goods on the plane. It was when
the allowable limits and fuel samples taken for the tanks
were tested and found to be satisfactory and there was
no bird activity observed in and around the flight path

(02:01:15):
of the aircraft. So there we go. So it seems
as though they are firming up that as a reason
the plane crashed. You're Wellesley, It's Marcus Wesley. It's Marcus welcome.

Speaker 25 (02:01:27):
I am literaling at watching a house go up and
playing across the road from the Newtown fire station.

Speaker 3 (02:01:34):
Wow, so it's right across from there.

Speaker 25 (02:01:37):
Yes, tell me about the second house is about up.

Speaker 3 (02:01:42):
I'm just got to get it up on Google Maps.
How long has it been. It's it's surprising.

Speaker 25 (02:01:49):
It's right across five about ten minutes. But there's been
a lot of explosions. I'm sorry. I do have a
fan running next to me. I should probably turn it off.

Speaker 3 (02:02:00):
Well, that's fine, I can't hear that, okay.

Speaker 25 (02:02:04):
But yeah, there's the burning houses actually across the road
from the truck bay for the fire station.

Speaker 3 (02:02:12):
So just running the hoses straight straight across.

Speaker 25 (02:02:15):
Are they pretty much?

Speaker 3 (02:02:18):
I'm just looking at the map.

Speaker 25 (02:02:20):
Another house has gone up because I have the houses
are tightly packed.

Speaker 3 (02:02:24):
Yeah, I'm just looking on Google Maps. So these are
single story.

Speaker 25 (02:02:31):
Villas, single story villas all along the street. I'm in
the tallest building on the street.

Speaker 3 (02:02:43):
What's weird looking on Google Maps is one of them
is actually one of them is obscured out on Google Maps.
Why would that be?

Speaker 25 (02:02:53):
People are allowed to blur their houses for privacy reasons.

Speaker 19 (02:02:57):
I didn't know that.

Speaker 3 (02:03:00):
So you've got looking, So you've got the big building,
the two story building, you've got a vacant that you've
got a car park. Then there's one tooth which which
are those?

Speaker 17 (02:03:07):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (02:03:07):
Which are the houses?

Speaker 15 (02:03:08):
Is it?

Speaker 25 (02:03:11):
I can't have exactly the house number, but yeah, okay,
and a pack of houses that are tightly packed. I
can't tell how many trucks are on scene, but with
it literally being across the road from the station, I
don't even think we needed to call it into one
one one because the stations just across the road, and.

Speaker 3 (02:03:33):
The fires jump from one house to the next. Has it.

Speaker 25 (02:03:38):
Pretty much?

Speaker 3 (02:03:39):
Okay? Are there any people? You can see any ambulances there?

Speaker 25 (02:03:45):
Like I said, I'm looking for my lounge window. I
can't see anyone. Obviously, people are panicking because the houses
are tightly packed. Yeah, okay, significant amount of significant amount
of smoke.

Speaker 3 (02:04:04):
And what would they tell me the noise? What would
explosions do you suspect?

Speaker 25 (02:04:09):
I would suspect maybe barbecue, scat, simmers or something.

Speaker 19 (02:04:12):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (02:04:13):
Yeah, imagine there are a nightmare for the fire and
that also too. Okay, So yeah, okay, So I appreciate that, Wesley,
And I imagine that you noticed that when you heard
the sirens, did you?

Speaker 24 (02:04:25):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (02:04:27):
Yeah, okay, appreciate that. There we go. That's a new
town in Wellington. Several houses are involved, just right across
the road from the fire station. I am surprised that
you can block your house out on Google Maps. I
never knew there was the ability to do that. I've
never seen a house phased out before, apart from that
house that someone got docks during the Trump campaign. So yeah,

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that's happening. It's on Men's Field Road in Wellington. And
that's it for me, people. I shall return tomorrow.

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